[16:00]  * slangasek waves
[16:01] <jodh> o/
[16:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan 16 16:02:07 2014 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <slangasek> #topic Lightning round
[16:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[16:02] <slangasek> doko stokachu stgraber barry jodh xnox slangasek cjwatson bdmurray
[16:02] <slangasek> doko: here?
[16:04] <doko> slangasek, sorry, let me go as last one
[16:04] <slangasek> ok
[16:04] <slangasek> stokachu: here? :)  anything for the meeting?
[16:04] <stokachu> nothing this week :)
[16:04] <slangasek> ok, cool
[16:04] <slangasek> stgraber:
[16:05] <stgraber> sorry, haven't had time to prepare notes so I'll just type quickly :)
[16:05] <stgraber> a ton of LXC work this week, mostly bug fixes for unprivileged containers, reviewed a very large amount of last minute fixes
[16:05] <stgraber> introduced a new image-based template called lxc-download which uses pre-build containers from https://images.linuxcontainers.org
[16:05] <stokachu> stgraber: are unprivileged containers do-able now?
[16:06] <stgraber> those are built from our new jenkins setup at https://jenkins.linuxcontainers.org
[16:06] <stgraber> I've also been working a bit on moving our other QA tasks over to Jenkins to make them more visible to those who don't have shell access to our servers
[16:06] <stgraber> I've also helped a bit with a security update for LXC
[16:06] <stgraber> release LXC 1.0 beta2 yesterday and upoaded to the archive (no more distro patch!)
[16:07] <stgraber> and I started updating my draft blog post on unprivileged containers which I plan on posting later today
[16:07] <stgraber> stokachu: yep they are. I have Ubuntu, Debian, Plamo and Oracle running fine unprivileged on my laptop and probably a few more distros to come over the next few days.
[16:07] <stokachu> stgraber: awesome!!
[16:07] <stgraber> stokachu: you need a very recent kernel and userspace though, which I'll try to describe in that upcoming blog post.
[16:08] <stokachu> stgraber: awesome, looking forward to that post
[16:08] <stgraber> besides LXC, I've also been doing a bit of touch work, mostly extending test coverage of my ports branch for system-image
[16:08] <stgraber> and talked with PES about how to setup internal servers
[16:08] <stgraber> (done)
[16:09] <barry> autopilot-py3: camera-app-autopilot, cordova-ubuntu-autopilot, dialer-app-autopilot, friends-app-autopilot, ubuntu-ui-toolkit.  however, the PPAs all this stuff depends on is in sad shape.  had some discussions with #ubuntu-autopilot about what we need next (mostly ci infrastructure support).  played around with autopilot+emulator.  actually managed to get u-u-t built, tested, and merge proposed.  not so much with other packages :(.
[16:09] <barry> bug tag: py3autopilot.  progress will mostly depend on completion of qt5.2 transition.
[16:09] <barry> debuntu: python-coverage sponsorship, patch piloted, dmb meeting.
[16:09] <barry> py34 related test rebuild failures: nose, cinder, genshi (in progress upstream), configglue, fixtures, etc.
[16:09] <barry> done
[16:09] <jodh> * core-1311-upstart-roadmap
[16:09] <jodh>   - cgroup support:
[16:09] <jodh>     - cgroup manager: Added ability for client to establish if directory
[16:09] <jodh>       existed when create requested (required by Upstart to avoid
[16:09] <jodh>       removing groups it did not create).
[16:09] <jodh>     - upstart:
[16:09] <jodh>       - Implemented logic to block jobs that require the cgmanager until
[16:10] <jodh>         it becomes available.
[16:10] <jodh>       - Added code to remove a cgroup when no longer required.
[16:10] <jodh>       - Finished updating basic cgroup unit tests.
[16:10] <jodh>       - Updated code to work with cgmanager v0.12.
[16:10] <jodh>   - async spawning: Investigating a bug with script jobs, found in testing.
[16:10] <jodh> * upstart:
[16:10] <jodh>   - Merged lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/telinit-private-socket (thanks for
[16:10] <jodh>     review stgraber)
[16:10] <jodh>   - Investigations into the cause of bug 1269731. Unable to
[16:10] <jodh>     recreate the problem, but atleast we now have a stack trace to
[16:10] <jodh>     identify the offending instruction.
[16:10] <jodh> 🀤
[16:11] <slangasek> no xnox this week
[16:11] <slangasek>  * upstream pam work to get pam_loginuid fixed in containers for stgraber, then got an itch to do a bunch more upstreaming work, so:
[16:11] <slangasek>  * pam 1.1.8 uploaded to Debian unstable, planning to upload to trusty as soon as I have a chance to test it on the phone
[16:11] <slangasek>  * forwarding of other Debian,Ubuntu patches to pam now that we're caught up with upstream
[16:11] <slangasek>  * internal discussions about the Qt 5.2 ABI change: trying to understand its impact on the phone and the app store, getting my hands dirty with abi-compliance-checker
[16:12] <slangasek>  * discussions around openjdk support in trusty
[16:12] <slangasek> (done)
[16:12] <cjwatson> 12.04.4:
[16:12] <cjwatson>  - More saucy enablement stack work, now in -updates.
[16:12] <cjwatson>  - Miscellaneous reviews and e-mail.
[16:12] <cjwatson> click:
[16:12] <cjwatson>  - Trying to get libclick up and running.  I've decided on the general architecture (gobject-based C library with introspection, so I can translate a bit at a time reasonably easily), and have translated parts of click.{database,osextras,query}.  Will take a while longer to have something worth using.
[16:12] <cjwatson> GRUB:
[16:12] <cjwatson>  - Reviewed and applied ppc64 bi-endian patch.
[16:12] <cjwatson>  - Continuing to try to get 2.02~beta2 ready for trusty.  Slowed down by a test regression (floppy boot failure due to increased module size, of all things), but I got that fixed today.
[16:13] <cjwatson> Miscellaneous:
[16:13] <cjwatson>  - A few cross-build fixes (apg, bridge-utils, dctrl-tools; switched libtool back to Multi-Arch: foreign for now; multiarched cdebconf to fix base-passwd cross-build regression).
[16:13] <cjwatson>  - Fixed gucharmap for ppc64el.
[16:13] <cjwatson>  - Perl 5.18.2 transition.
[16:13] <cjwatson> .
[16:13] <bdmurray> bug triage, SRU reviews
[16:13] <bdmurray> uploaded a complete fix for bug 1237119
[16:13] <bdmurray> set up of error tracker in canonistack using juju-deployer
[16:13] <bdmurray> worked on a whoopsie issue where it is not uploading files immediately
[16:13] <bdmurray> done
[16:14] <doko> - another two full days of merges, component mismatches
[16:14] <doko> - finished some "debian-science" transitions. the good thing is that nobody uses these packages and in doubt can
[16:14] <doko>  be removed ;p
[16:14] <doko> - maybe another day processing MIRs
[16:14] <doko> - continue to pester people about ftbfs, unfinished transitions
[16:14] <doko> - openjdk security update
[16:14] <doko> - graphviz transition
[16:14] <doko> - regtested and backported fixed for two arm64 gcc regressions
[16:14] <doko> - gccgo updates
[16:14] <doko> - updates for some ppc64el packages in main
[16:14] <doko> - finished and summarized the outcome of the libtool-bin test rebuild
[16:14] <doko> - finished and summarized the "openjdk-not-in-main" test rebuild
[16:14] <doko> - finished and summarized the python3.4 as the default test rebuild (main only)
[16:14] <doko> - updated the arm64 cross toolchain for glibc-2.18
[16:14] <doko> - built eclipse for arm64 and ppc64el
[16:15] <doko> (done)
[16:17] <slangasek> ok - any questions on status?
[16:18] <slangasek> #topic AOB
[16:18] <slangasek> anything else this week?
[16:20] <slangasek> apparently not :)
[16:20] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan 16 16:20:35 2014 UTC.
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[16:20] <jodh> thanks!
[16:20] <slangasek> thanks, guys - short and sweet
[16:20] <doko> tired about playing the cleaning lady for others :-/
[16:20] <barry> \o/
[16:21] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:40] <ogra_> doko, shouldnt that be "room nurse" for political correctness ?
[16:40] <ogra_> :)
[17:02] <pleia2> hi folks, just gathering up CC members for the meeting
[17:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:04] <mhall119> stgraber: highvoltage: are you around to talk about Edubuntu?
[17:05] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan 16 17:05:21 2014 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:05] <pleia2> we have Edubuntu and Lubuntu on the schedule for today
[17:05] <pleia2> anyone from Lubuntu about for a checkin?
[17:06] <stgraber> mhall119: vaguely (having lunch)
[17:07] <pleia2> or Edubuntu, hey stgraber!
[17:07] <mhall119> stgraber: ok, it's just a checkin, so shouldn't require much
[17:08] <pleia2> #topic Edubuntu check in
[17:08] <pleia2> I understand Edubuntu has been more focused on LTS releases, are things on track this cycle?
[17:10] <czajkowski> stgraber: ?
[17:10] <stgraber> well, not much has been happening lately but I still hope to get most bits landed before feature freeze
[17:10] <stgraber> I've been pretty busy with other things so far
[17:10] <stgraber> we did have an alpha1 though
[17:11] <pleia2> that's good, anything the CC can help the team with with, or just general manpower blockers?
[17:11] <highvoltage> o/
[17:11] <pleia2> hey highvoltage :)
[17:11] <highvoltage> hey!
[17:12] <stgraber> general manpower blockers. I hope that edubuntu-server will help get more contributors later on.
[17:12] <stgraber> our decision to stop doing non-LTS releases should also help a lot once 14.04 is out the door
[17:12]  * pleia2 nods
[17:12] <highvoltage> pleia2: did you see the mails last month regarding the edubuntu council / re-elections and the question of whether we strictly need a council per se?
[17:13] <mhall119> highvoltage: where did that email get sent?
[17:13] <pleia2> highvoltage: yeah
[17:13] <stgraber> mhall119: CC mailing-list I believe
[17:13] <pleia2> I'm thinking we go with the idea of dissolving the council, but I should follow up
[17:13] <highvoltage> mhall119: community council and edubuntu council mailing lists
[17:14] <mhall119> hmmm, must have missed it
[17:14] <stgraber> mhall119: "Edubuntu Council expiring 2013-12-20"
[17:14] <highvoltage> pleia2: I think in general the Edubuntu community still needs a community reboot of a kind (as it has for the last few cycles).
[17:14]  * pleia2 nods
[17:15] <pleia2> so in that thread we decided to wait until after the holidays (indeed, the whole thing got lost in my holiday backlog :))
[17:15] <highvoltage> only problem is that everyone is eager to get involved with that but no one has the time
[17:15] <mhall119> highvoltage: stgraber: if you need the community team's help in promoting such a reboot, get in touch with me
[17:15] <pleia2> yeah
[17:16] <highvoltage> sorry stgraber I didn't mean to derail your train of thought on the technical stuff :)
[17:16] <pleia2> so the proposal in the thread was to remove the council and simply make stgraber and highvoltage co-leaders, which I'm still on board with
[17:16] <pleia2> I'll follow up
[17:16] <highvoltage> pleia2: great
[17:16] <stgraber> pleia2: thanks
[17:16] <stgraber> highvoltage: didn't have much more to report ;)
[17:17] <stgraber> mhall119: we may take you up on that offer at some point. Currently I think we're in the situation where the effort required for such a reboot would drain a lot of the limited time we have to get the technical stuff done for 14.04.
[17:17] <highvoltage> stgraber: in terms of goals for this cycle we're likely to focus on two areas, getting the edubuntu-server parts in a 1.0'ish state and getting some legacy desktop stuff (gnome flashback) in better state so that it's supportable for an LTS lifecycle
[17:17] <highvoltage> (oops, didn't mean to aim that at stgraber)
[17:17] <pleia2> cool
[17:18] <stgraber> so I think it's best to focus on the release, make sure 14.04 is good and then we'll have 2 years to try and rebuild our community until the next release
[17:18] <highvoltage> stgraber: *nod*, I think that reboot should happen post-lts-release
[17:18] <mhall119> stgraber: I'd be happy to help coordinate a reboot, both as a community team members and as an edubuntu community volunteer
[17:18] <pleia2> sounds like a plan :)
[17:18] <highvoltage> mhall119: awesome :D
[17:19] <mhall119> what DE is edubuntu using these days?
[17:19] <highvoltage> unity by default with gnome flashback
[17:19] <stgraber> Unity by default, gnome-flashback as an alternative and default for LTSP
[17:19] <mhall119> ok
[17:19] <highvoltage> the installer has an option to enable gnome flashback by default
[17:19] <pleia2> ianorlin has joined us for the lubuntu team
[17:19] <mhall119> is that well supported?
[17:19] <highvoltage> personally I'm not a fan of unity since the dash is extremely confusing for new users
[17:20] <highvoltage> and apps are hard too find
[17:20] <mhall119> by upstream Ubuntu and/or upstream Gnome?
[17:20] <highvoltage> mhall119: there's a small upstream team
[17:20] <highvoltage> mhall119: I'm part of it, it needs a lot of work to keep it on life support
[17:20] <stgraber> highvoltage: well, at least we don't have remote search enabled by default!
[17:20] <highvoltage> (since the rest of the gnome world is changing so fast)
[17:20] <ogra_> highvoltage, well, mate-desktop is in now
[17:21] <highvoltage> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback
[17:21]  * mhall119 will pick your brains about stuff in #edubuntu later :)
[17:21] <pleia2> ok, thanks highvoltage and stgraber!
[17:21] <mhall119> thanks guys
[17:21] <highvoltage> ogra_: problem with mate-desktop is that it brings in the rest of the mate world, which is a clone of every gnome tool ever made (gedit, nautilus, gcalctool, etc)
[17:21] <ogra_> lovely
[17:21] <pleia2> #topic Lubuntu checkin
[17:22] <highvoltage> ogra_: but I'd be happy to go only mate and through out unity if you can convince stgraber of that :p
[17:22] <highvoltage> (thanks I'll move on now :p)
[17:22] <pleia2> ianorlin: so during these checkins, we pretty much just ask about the state of the project/community and see if there is any way we can help out :)
[17:22] <ogra_> highvoltage, your job, not mine anymore ;)
[17:23] <ianorlin> Most of lubuntu is focusing on 14.04 now and 14.04 plan is fixing bugs
[17:23] <ianorlin> the social media areas seem to keep having more users join
[17:23] <pleia2> great
[17:23] <ianorlin> although the QA mailing list has grown a little quiet lately
[17:24] <pleia2> yeah, I had noticed that
[17:24] <pleia2> I did a few tests on lubuntu ppc, but the holidays got pretty busy for me
[17:25] <ianorlin> hasn't picked up much since then although I think trusty is running right now
[17:26] <pleia2> is there anything the CC can do to help support the team, or do you think it's just a matter of getting more folks active/involved?
[17:26] <pleia2> we're here to help resolve community and technical blockers with resources and things
[17:26] <ianorlin> I can't think of anything
[17:26]  * pleia2 nods
[17:27] <pleia2> thanks for joing us today, anyone else have any questions/comments?
[17:30] <pleia2> ok, I think that's it then
[17:30] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[17:31] <pleia2> anything else on our radar today that we wanted to chat about?
[17:31] <mhall119> not from me
[17:34] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone :)
[17:34] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan 16 17:34:56 2014 UTC.
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