=== elopio_ is now known as elopio [00:43] so what ever happen to the Ubuntu phone? [00:44] will it have better privacy for users than google's android? [00:46] imagine if Ubuntu Touch was released before google android... the whole world would probably be using it by now [00:48] FuuqUmiist: we're still working on it ☻ [01:05] http://www.salon.com/2014/01/13/google_just_moved_into_your_house/ [01:25] hello i need help to figure out a problem [01:26] using touch on nexus 4 and want to add a wifi connection to my router [01:26] using latest dualboot (android + ubu) [01:27] when i try to enter my long wifi pwd.. after about 30-60 seconds of typing (cause the wifi pwd is long) touch leaves the screen and goes back to system settings on its own [01:27] since copy / paste text does not work i cannot copy and paste the pwd into the edit box [01:27] any ideas what ican do?? [01:27] plug phone into laptop and use "phablet-network" to transfer the wifi setting to the phone [01:28] how does phablet network work? [01:28] it copies the network settings from /etc/somewhere to the phone [01:28] i do have the phone plugged in via usb to this desktop ubuntu [01:28] the pc needs to be on the wifi [01:28] grrr [01:28] is there no other way? [01:28] make the key shorter [01:29] or... [01:29] use adb shell, to get a prompt on the phone, then "stop powerd" (I think) [01:29] that will stop the screen blanking while you type the key in [01:29] then you can "adb shell" and "start powerd" [01:29] i wil ltry that! [01:30] good luck [01:30] I'm off to bed, dreaming of wifi keys [01:30] nn [01:30] thx [01:33] that did not help [01:33] anyone else with other ideas? [01:33] stopping powerd did not disable to timeout entering wifi pwd [01:34] can i just edit a text via via adb ?? [02:28] got it working [02:29] adb root and adb shell [02:29] then vi the conf file located: [02:29] /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ [02:29] i intiially entered the pwd test so i knew which key to modify [02:29] psk=test [02:30] replace test with the real password, then save the file and voila [02:37] cyphermox: hm, so when you do hostnamectl --pretty set-hostname "Nexus 4", hciconfig hci0 name shows Name: '"Nexus 4"' === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === duflu_ is now known as duflu === ricardodrosales is now known as ricdros === Namidairo_ is now known as Namidairo === vying is now known as Guest68945 [06:43] after doing an upgrade on my nexus 4 [06:43] i can no longer boot into android (hangs on google text) [06:43] if i pick recovery it boots into ubuntu [06:43] any ideas how i can fix the dual boot so android boots? [06:46] on apt-get upgrade now [06:46] it says: [06:46] The following packages have been kept back: [06:46] autopilot-touch gstreamer1.0-hybris gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad [06:46] libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 libpython3.3-minimal libpython3.3-stdlib [06:46] libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative libqt4-network libqt4-script libqt4-sql [06:46] libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqt5concurrent5 libqt5core5 libqt5dbus5 [06:46] libqt5gui5 libqt5network5 libqt5opengl5 libqt5opengl5-dev [06:46] libqt5printsupport5 libqt5sql5 libqt5sql5-sqlite libqt5test5 libqt5widgets5 [06:46] libqt5xml5 libqtcore4 libqtgui4 python3.3 python3.3-minimal qt5-qmake [06:46] qtbase5-dev qtbase5-dev-tools ubuntu-sdk-libs ubuntu-touch [06:46] why? [07:04] how goes the codin' ? :) [07:09] can anyone here tell me how to get my android partition booting (nexus 4 dual boot)? [07:09] is there a way to tell it fix the dual boot for the androdi poart? [07:28] t - 15 minutes till i try to reflash back to android... can anyone tell me how to get my android partition booting? [08:06] good morning [08:08] hello thar [08:09] :) [08:09] sup mrc_ [08:33] ok can anyone tell me how to fix a frozen android boot on nexus 4 [08:33] using dual boot.. can boot into ubuntu via recoery but not default android [08:40] fastboot flash boot boot.img [08:40] fastboot flash recovery recovery.img [08:40] and both working [09:07] any fix for dual boot on 4.4.2 yet? === psivaa_ is now known as psivaa === j-b_ is now known as j-b [09:59] Mirv: zsombi: so i found out that http://paste.ubuntu.com/6761226/ fails under 'xvfb-run -a -s "-screen 0 800x600x24" qmltestrunner' but work under plain 'qmltestrunner' [09:59] if using 5.2 [09:59] trying to find out why === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [10:21] tsdgeos: excellent! wth is going on with xvfb? [10:22] zsombi: seems the main window is not getting the initial "focus in" event [10:22] and thus focus is borked since that [10:22] tsdgeos: hmm... [10:22] trying to find out why [10:26] ricmm_, have there been recent unity-mir chganges that could cause bug 1269414 ? [10:27] bug 1269414 in Ubuntu Music App "Sound is cut when another application is launched" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1269414 [10:27] seems music stops a few seconds after suspend on the recent images [10:27] (and there was a unity-mir update from 0.2+14.04.20140108.1-0ubuntu1 to 0.2+14.04.20140114.1-0ubuntu1) [10:31] dholbach, happy birthday old fart ! [10:31] :) [10:32] thanks ogra_ [10:52] jibel: ah, I'm getting [10:52] tr: fehlerhaft positioniertes [:upper:]- und/oder [:lower:]-Konstrukt [10:52] 2014-01-16 11:48:45: Failure: Unknown port type: [10:52] jibel: with run-adt-test sometimes; fixed in r273, but I wonder why that doesn't always happen [10:54] * tsdgeos wins \o/ [10:55] now i only need them to accept the patch :D [11:00] zsombi: Mirv: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,75675 fixes the text_area.qml problems for me [11:01] Morning all [11:07] tsdgeos: simply awesome. I'll cherry-pick that. with luck it would resolve multiple problems. === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:09] also, the "random" word here got my attention.. https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-35840 [11:11] I hope 5.2.1 qtdeclarative would fix some of the remaining issues, but before at least that one is fixed I'm not jumping to take another newer snapshot. [11:12] jibel: sorry, -ECHANNEL; I thought this was #u-quality === pete-woods is now known as pete-woods|posti [11:43] Hello all! [11:43] please to help me... [11:44] where download link zip for gt-p3100 tablet full 3g wifi for ubuntu edge ? [11:45] !devices [11:45] You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [11:45] Paolas, if it is not on that wiki page then it does not exist i guess [11:46] (also there is no ubuntu edge ... that was a device we never built .... the OS is called ubuntu touch (or ubuntu for phones) [11:47] i dont know... [11:47] where link download ? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === pete-woods|posti is now known as pete-woods === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [12:53] jdstrand, wrt to pre parsing the apparmor profiles; I would need to run the easyprof stuff as well; right? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:13] sergiusens: ah, yes, becuase the profiles don't yet exist in /var/lib/apparmor/profiles [13:14] jdstrand, yup; a bit more complicated than anticipated; also I only got the cache written to using -S and redirecting to a file [13:14] they aren't totally equvalent though; which makes me think I may be missing some includes [13:16] that may be a bug. jjohansen ^ === ricmm_ is now known as ricmm [13:20] remember that I'm doing it from desktop though [13:21] sergiusens: so, for generating the profiles, you should be able to chroot into the image, install the clicks, then use 'aa-clickhook' to generate the profiles. for it to work though, you should *not* have /sys/kernel/securityfs/apparmor available [13:22] sergiusens: acutally, you don't have to run aa-clickhook separately, click does that [13:22] jdstrand, yeah, I was skimming through the python code for the hook [13:22] sergiusens: but aa-clickhook will generate the profile fine with /sys/kernel/securityfs/apparmor unavailable (it will warn that it can't load them [13:23] * jdstrand nods [13:23] chrooting may provide it's other complications [13:24] * sergiusens goes back to drawing board === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [13:46] is there a bug for lack of media queries support in UT browser? [13:47] media queries ? [13:48] ogra_, css media queries. [13:48] ah [13:48] could be I'm running a really old image, or that something else is gebroken [13:48] hmm, the few i used in webapp development used to work [13:48] but that was a while ago [13:50] ogra_, kay. I'll dig some more and file bugs. [13:50] ++ [13:58] jgdxx: they do work === jgdxx is now known as jgdx [14:00] daker, okay, I think it's the text input zoom I got a beef with. It was autofocus and I jumped the gun. [14:01] jgdx: that's a normal behaviour [14:02] daker, yeah, but it's broken http://ubuntuone.com/4db3Gcd43WR6MNN3SFBENg [14:02] jgdx: why ? [14:02] juste double tap [14:03] daker, I'm using an emulator. Would that be a double click? [14:03] jgdx: i think yes [14:04] daker, broken in that the resulting zoom is too great. It introduces a vertical scroll and hides 50% of the text input. [14:06] jgdx: can you open the webbrowser-app, and navigate to https://login.ubuntu.com/ [14:06] daker, I'm there [14:07] oSoMoN: can you test this ? [14:09] pre focus http://ubuntuone.com/00N9B9SV2sJUgxm9g0pdaQ post focus http://ubuntuone.com/4db3Gcd43WR6MNN3SFBENg [14:10] sergiusens: fyi, I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator#Handling_disk_snapshots for ubuntu-emulator [14:12] jdstrand, looks good :-) [14:18] daker, what exactly do you want me to test? [14:18] oSoMoN: what jgdx was saying [14:18] oSoMoN: jgdx> pre focus http://ubuntuone.com/00N9B9SV2sJUgxm9g0pdaQ post focus http://ubuntuone.com/4db3Gcd43WR6MNN3SFBENg [14:19] that's a normal behaviour, right ? [14:22] daker, jgdx: the autozoom behaviour on text field focus is normal and expected, however in this specific case it kind of makes the situation worse [14:23] I don’t know how this autozoom feature is implemented, maybe we could tweak it [14:24] bfiller: who reviews https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/qtubuntu-camera/no_priv_headers/+merge/201933 now that gusch is gone? [14:25] tsdgeos: don't really have anyone yet, maybe rsalveti can take a look. seems like a easy review [14:25] bfiller: yeah, basically should be a "if it builds, ship it" [14:25] bfiller: built for me, but let's wait for CI :D [14:27] tsdgeos, do you know why the private headers were originally used? just out of curiosity [14:28] sergiusens: no clue tbh [14:28] i'd go with "copy&paste" [14:28] but it'd be total guess [14:28] or maybe it used to be private and then moved to public? [14:29] which leaves me wondering if it will build with qt5.0 (it builds with 5.2 which is what i was trying to achive since Mirv has killed the multimedia-private .deb) [14:29] let's wait for CI as said :D [14:33] oSoMoN, daker: the stock browsers on both ios and android will not zoom beyond the text field. E.g. http://ubuntuone.com/70dBf35QkHtPJSFjtffTQK They merely reposition the viewport. Are we ignoring the width meta property perhaps? [14:33] tsdgeos, yeah, otherwise, the change is fine from my PoV [14:40] jgdx, mmm, that’s interesting, it looks like we could do a better job, would you mind filing a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+filebug and explaining your findings there (with the screeshots)? [14:41] sergiusens: CI passed :) [14:46] sergiusens: hey. so do we have a click build tool or something? [14:46] anyone else see indicator tab bar titles not showing up? [14:47] cwayne: which build/platform? [14:48] asac: -proposed, mako [14:48] davmor2: didrocks: ^^ heard of? [14:49] asac: cwayne: no, I have all of them [14:49] cwayne: can be an indicator crashing, won't be the first time :) [14:51] hey, dudes. The Google Nexus wireless charger (https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_Wireless_Charger?id=nexus_wireless_charger&hl=en)... does it require some sort of OS support? Specifically, will it work right with a Nexus 4 which is running Ubuntu? [14:51] cwayne: did you try rebooting? [14:51] oSoMoN, sure thing. Thanks [14:51] oh, a aquarius ;) [14:51] heya didrocks! [14:51] aquarius, i have a zens qi charger and it didnt work the last time i tried, even though it should not have any QS specific thing [14:51] *OS [14:52] aquarius, but i think you can count on the fact that we'll fix it even if it doesnt [14:53] (btw, dont get a zens for the N4 ... surface is to slippery for it ... it slides down if it is not 100% flat) [14:54] oh, looking at that pic i guess it will have the same slippery issues [14:55] I've ordered one of these for mine http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00F5UAFDM/ [14:56] Hope it will have enough grip for my super slippy N4, but I have an N5 as well [14:57] ogra_, ya, but I'm loath to spend sixty quid on a charger that might not work :) [14:58] ogra_, am worried that it needs some sort of weird proprietary driver which we won't have [14:58] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zens-Qi-Single-Wireless-Charger/dp/B005PL5GSA/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389884290&sr=1-6&keywords=zens+qi+charger [14:58] thats mine [14:58] aquarius, if andriod has it, we do too [14:58] * popey adds to wishlist [14:59] ogra_, really? why doesn't yours work, then? I mean, to my mind charging ought to not require a driver because otherwise it wouldn't work if you're powered off :) [14:59] aquarius, i didnt research at all [14:59] i put it on it once, noted it doesnt charge and used the cable [14:59] ogra_, oh, so it might not work under Android either? it Just Doesn't Work? :) [14:59] heh. [15:00] havent checked since [15:00] it works under android [15:00] some need to be positioned just right [15:00] cwayne: what are you missing? [15:00] and once i find the time i'll try again and fix it on ubuntu too [15:00] ogra_, it might be charging and just a problem with out indicator? [15:00] davmor2: the tab titles [15:00] our* [15:01] sergiusens, could be [15:02] cwayne: I see indicator tabs, I see in app title tabs if that is what you are meaning [15:03] cwayne: not all apps have the titles though I think [15:04] davmor2: the indicator tab titles [15:04] like Location [15:04] aren't showing up for me [15:07] cwayne: the only one I don't see is bluetooth but that is because it is disabled [15:07] im seeing the indicators just not the titles, the actual words [15:07] when im swiping through them [15:08] youre obviously not seeing the same problem :) [15:08] cwayne: so I see them on maguro and mako [15:11] anybody have any updates on 4.4 phablet framework? [15:11] annerajb, ongoing [15:11] ogra_, hello! So I'm off tomorrow and Monday, but to my knowledge, nested mode is only waiting on a release of unity-system-compositor. Which I assume has been held up while we sort out the problems getting a promotable image. Once that is out, maguro should work again. I tested grouper with latest hybris and it works fine. So does mako [15:12] with luck there are public images next week [15:12] mterry, yep, tested grouper and maguro here too ... but the MP needs a signoff from the u-s-c team still [15:13] ogra_, any repositories to look at? [15:13] ogra_, which MP? The one for maguro? It landed in trunk [15:13] annerajb, i guess watching the mailing list for an announcement from rsalveti would be best [15:13] mterry, oh, ok [15:13] ogra_, or the session-manager-touch one that actually enables it? [15:14] mterry, session manager is my job [15:14] yup [15:14] i thought the u-s-c one was still waiting [15:14] annerajb: we're working to setup a gerrit instance as well together with the new repos [15:14] ogra_, it's waiting to actually land in trusty. jenkins hasn't packaged it up yet [15:14] https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-system-compositor/dbus-screen-fix/+merge/201211 [15:14] rsalveti, :D thanks [15:14] still oending review [15:14] *pending [15:15] oh, but merged [15:15] * ogra_ needs to learn to look at the status, not the merge requests [15:15] s/merge/review/ [15:15] :) [15:22] bfiller, hi [15:23] attente: hey [15:23] bfiller, is there some way to determine the default osk layout if the gsettings value is empty? [15:24] attente: can I ping you in a bit, on a hangout right now. have a bunch of htings I want to discuss with you actually [15:24] bfiller, sure === the-gibs1n is now known as the-gibson [15:34] ping mardy === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g === vying is now known as Guest60302 === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch === fisuk1 is now known as fisuk [16:09] how long should it take for unity to show up in the emulator ? [16:09] om26er, 10-15min on the first boot [16:09] subsequent ones are minimally faster [16:10] ogra_, so phablet shell login is expected much sooner ? [16:11] yeah [16:18] pitti, hi there. Is there a way to get EOF using g_io_watch? [16:23] ChickenCutlass: hm, I'm not familiar with that; perhaps it counts as G_IO_ERR condition? [16:24] didrocks: so I hear you give some landing training sessions, the next one tomorrow? [16:26] pitti: waow, news are going fast ;) I'll send an email announcing the piloting program officially tomorrow morning, then asac and I defined some batchs by team to ramp up [16:26] didrocks: right, julian asked me to join [16:26] didrocks: I'll be AFK tomorrow afternoon, but if you do morning sessions, or one next week, could I join one? [16:27] pitti: the QA team won't be part of the first batch, but you are welcome to join (but the first one will be on thursday, not tomorrow) [16:27] tuesday* [16:27] * didrocks can't type [16:27] ah [16:27] perfect [16:27] didrocks: I'm happy to go later; I don't think it's that urgent [16:27] pitti: I'll keep you posted ;) [16:28] (first, email to the ML tomorrow ;)) [16:30] ogra_, do you know anything about inducing android driver events? (I want to induce power button press in autopilot tests) [16:31] mterry, why would that be android ? you should be able to just get events from /dev/input/* [16:31] mterry, on mako i get power button events on /dev/input/event0 [16:32] ogra_, sure, I can go through udev... Is there an example of simulating those? [16:32] ah, no idea [16:32] didrocks: nice. seems the management is getting better at forwarding/communicating :) [16:33] heh === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [16:36] ooh, emulator took 7 mins to get from "run" to unity appearing [16:38] popey, yeah, subsequent boots get better with every boot === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:42] I keep thinking I should setup the emulator then I remember I got to much other stuff going on :D [17:00] how does one shutdown the emulator nicely? [17:00] jhodapp: have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtvideo-node/+bug/1267818 ? [17:00] Ubuntu bug 1267818 in qtvideo-node (Ubuntu) "Please remove qtmultimedia private headers usage to work with Qt 5.2" [Critical,New] [17:01] popey, the US way is to use a gun [17:01] popey, the pacifist way is probably poweroff -f [17:01] ☻ [17:03] attente: hey [17:03] bfiller, hi [17:04] attente: so to answer your question, we've introduced a new key in gsettigs called active-language and it defaults to "en" [17:04] attente: it's in this branch that hasn't been merged yet: https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-moenicke/ubuntu-keyboard/ubuntu-keyboard-active-language/+merge/199292 [17:05] bfiller, ok [17:06] attente: also can you add the UI for the following as they are supported: auto-completion, key-press-feedback, spell-checking, predictive-text [17:07] attente: as well as the keyboard languages, enabled-languages key [17:08] attente: only open issue is all the keyboard layouts are separate debs now and we don't have a way to install them dynamically [17:08] attente: so they may have to be installed by default on the image for the short term [17:09] bfiller, ok [17:09] bfiller, i'm wondering if the way we're finding those plugins is correct [17:10] right now, we're looking in the /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/ubuntu/languages directory [17:10] which is basically a hardcoded path [17:11] attente: your looking at trunk of ubuntu-keyboard right? (the plugin code hasn't been released yet but that's pending) [17:11] bfiller, yes [17:12] attente: any suggestions on how to better do it? would be awesome if the plugins could be click packages somehow and installed dynamically when the user selects that language [17:13] attente: keep in mind they install hunspell and predictive text dictionaries as well as the plugins, not sure where those get installed [17:14] bfiller, no idea. i'm not too picky about the current method but if there's a better way, we can change to it [17:14] bfiller, if hunspell and predictive text dictionaries are installed in the same directory, that might be problematic though [17:15] bfiller, btw in case you didn't notice, the most recent settings landing (like a week ago) enabled some of the osk options [17:15] bfiller, however we already do some filtering to make sure non-sensible plugins don't get listed as well [17:17] attente: so do you dynamially build your keyboard language UI based on what plugins it finds in that directory? or is it just a hardcoded list? [17:17] bfiller, we build it dynamically, but the directory path is hard-coded [17:18] we try to do some filtering based on the contents of the xml, so things like the phonenumber plugin aren't added [17:18] (somehow the showcase plugin made it through though) [17:19] attente: so [17:19] attente: looks like that is slightly changed in trunk as I just installed those packages [17:20] attente: the language plugins are installed in /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/ubuntu/lib/ [17:20] attente: I think the xml in /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/ubuntu/languages is not used anymore and will be removed [17:21] bfiller, ok [17:21] bfiller, what are the package names for the plugins? [17:21] attente: ubuntu-keyboard-english, ubuntu-keyboard-german, etc.. [17:22] dont forget ubuntu-keyboard-klingon [17:22] else pitti cant type [17:22] ha [17:23] (he speaks it fluidly) [17:23] nuQneH ? [17:23] ++ [17:23] attente: if you install the debs from here you can see: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-keyboard-trusty-armhf-ci/120/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip [17:23] nah, as for keyboard layouts, there are only two: "US" and "broken" :) [17:23] attente: I'm requesting a release for ubuntu-keyboard trunk today (hopefully) that will contain this changes [17:23] ogra_: lol [17:24] bfiller, that link doesn't seem to work for me [17:24] attente: right, let me get a you a new one [17:25] attente: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-keyboard-trusty-armhf-ci/139/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip [17:25] attente: you'd need to install ubuntu-keyboard, ubuntu-keyboard-data, and whatever ubuntu-keyboard- packages you want to test [17:27] bfiller, ok, sounds good, thanks [17:27] bfiller, i guess at some point we might need a way to get the list of packages [17:28] so that we can do installation on demand [17:29] attente: agreed, but they'd need to be click packages as we can dynamically install debs because of r/o filesystem [17:29] can't [17:29] bfiller, ah, ok makes sense [17:30] Hello [17:30] attente: think for now we'll just preinstall some and if the user wants others they'll have to manually install additions until we figure it out === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [17:31] attente: as long as your UI just dynamically gets the list of installed langs from /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/ubuntu/lib/ should be ok for now [17:33] attente: or another option: your UI shows all the planned supported languages and when the user selects one you check if it's installed and if not prompt them to install it (which would be manual currently) [17:34] attente: ah, I see you already have the keyboard settings in the UI :) When did that land? [17:36] bfiller, i'm not sure, it was a MP just sitting around for a while if i remember, it just needed merging (which i guess seb128 did recently) [17:37] attente: looks like it's just missing spell-checking === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [17:38] bfiller, how do we check what spell-checking plugins are available? [17:38] or do we just assume that every display language is a spell-checking language? [17:39] attente: I think we don't need the spell-checking-language thing anymore. when you switch to a different keyboard layout the spellchecking for that lang is automatically enabled [17:40] it's actually a dependecie of the ubuntu-keyboard- package - it depends on the proper hunspell- package [17:40] so the spell checking dynamically changes when you change the keyboard language [17:41] ok, so it's just the check box then, it sounds like [17:41] cool [17:41] attente: exactly [17:41] i'll add that in now then [17:41] attente: thanks [17:42] attente: one other thing - when the user changes the "Display Language", should we automatically select the corresponding keyboard layout and set the active-language key to it? [17:43] attente: would be weird if the display language was switched to say German but the keyboard stayed english [17:45] bfiller, good question... i guess if the display language was switched you'd assume the spell-checking would also switch [17:45] and since that's tightly bound to the current keyboard layout, i guess you'd expect it to [17:45] attente: yes, but most importantly you'd assume the keyboard layout to switch [17:46] yup [17:46] attente: so to make that happen just set the com.canonical.keyboard.maliit.active-language when switching the Display lang and it should just work (once these branches land) [17:47] bfiller, ok, sounds good [17:49] ogra_, pitti : do you know how we are supporting changing the display language? looks like we are only seeding language-pack-en [17:50] are lang packs for the langs you switch to required to support them fully? [17:50] blaroche, we seed a lot of langpacks [17:50] err [17:50] bfiller, ^^ [17:51] ogra_: I don't see that in the seed [17:51] bfiller, language is set by ~/.pam-environment [17:51] bfiller: merely installing the language pack doesn't set the default [17:51] bfiller, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20140115/trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.manifest [17:51] either that, or system-wide by localectl (or writing /etc/default/locale) [17:51] search for language-pack [17:52] pitti, we dont use that anywhere in the phone images [17:52] its all per user via pam [17:52] ogra_: /etc/default you mean? [17:52] ok [17:52] ogra_: where are the lang packs seeded? looking at lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy [17:52] system should stay on english [17:52] then ~/.pam_environment it is [17:52] yep :) [17:53] bfiller, hmm, i see it here in my local branch [17:53] ogra@styx:~/Devel/seeds/ubuntu-touch.trusty$ grep language-pack touch|wc -l [17:53] 6 [17:53] 6 langs seeded [17:53] en de es fr pt zh [17:54] ogra_: which branch has that? [17:54] bfiller, oh, i see, you pointed to saucy :) [17:54] ogra_: arg, didn't mean too (: [17:54] let me check trusty [17:55] they even have their own section [17:55] ogra_: sorry, my fault looking at old seed [17:55] (in the seed file) [17:55] I see them now [17:55] :) [17:56] ogra_: do we have plans to add others dynamically? I'm in same boat with OSK keyboard langs/plugins. I don't want to seed all of them but no way to dynamically install because they are debs [17:56] bfiller, i suspect we wont, but i could imagine we start building regional images at some point so you only have a fraction [17:56] asac, ^^ ideas ? [17:58] maybe regionalizations could be a DLC plugin available in click store for OSK? [17:58] i think its exactly the DLC concept [17:58] asac, it would have to put a lot of stuff across the readonly filesystem [17:58] you have an app (keyboard could also be an app), and you provide plugins/extensions also through the store [17:59] ogra_: well, i guess that depends on the keyboard software [17:59] or we need to change a lot of the system to accept it differenntly [17:59] might need refactoring so it can live with plugins in click [17:59] asac, thats about langpacks [17:59] not just kbd === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:00] if we use different places for locale stuff we have a lot to change in the rest of the system [18:00] ogra_: can you download new languages in adndroid? [18:00] or only whats installed by default? [18:00]