[00:19] I appear to have a fully working system again (glad I backed up my home dir) [00:19] Making do with the free drivers [00:30] \o/ [00:30] congrats [01:08] my cpufan is going like stink on a newly installed server-12.04. I'm assuming the server release doesn't include any speedstep out-of-the-box? [01:09] seems likely === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:41] I think I'm going to replace the cpu-cooler on this machine [01:41] unrelated? [01:42] worryingly when I inherited the box the cooler wasn't fastened to the board properly so I'm wondering now whether there was any thermal grease [01:43] it's currently being sensed as running at 70C and that was climbing before I turned down the cpu frequency [01:44] unrelated but a similar issue is the nvidia quadro vga card seems to be getting too hot also [01:45] thermal paste for them both perhaps :D [01:47] lm-sensors is a useful thing [01:48] how was the sink not on properly? 0o [01:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6759620/ [01:49] three of the four fixing poles were loose [01:49] :S [01:50] it's an intel i7 so it has that funky quick-release fixing [01:50] four black plastic posts that spin 90 degrees? [01:50] push-down plungers to affix onto the board [01:50] yups those [01:50] that's been true since a looooong time [01:50] oops poor english there [01:51] have you turned German? [01:51] the design has been around since the original core's i think [01:51] ja, warum? [01:51] "I've been in this channel since 5 years" [01:52] or some other bad engrish [01:52] :D [01:52] but yeah it might've had a very thin layer [01:52] but get yourself some arctic silver 5 [01:52] \o/ [02:01] I need a measuring stick to work out how much space this box has [07:28] Good morning everyone! [08:18] * dwatkins_ has now been migrated to Office 365 [08:18] This could be interesting, in several ways. === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins [08:19] dwatkins: :( poor you [08:20] MartijnVdS: yeah, my employer seems to think it's a good idea, but I'm not so comfortable with having our mailboxes managed by a third party [08:20] dwatkins: And not just any third pary.. [08:20] +t [08:20] MartijnVdS: indeed, although they're not a competitor, it still means (in theory) that they can read our mail. [08:22] but they'd NEVER do that, right? [08:25] *cough* [08:26] Morning all [08:27] hi diplo [08:31] MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qZygn1ukNc [08:40] Really wouldn't want my mail hosted with a 3rd party either [08:41] morning all [08:42] Im still high from the cocaine... err... medication. but, I need a small bit of advice. [08:43] I need a video plugin for chrome that is actually decently useable, not htis totem crap. there used to be mozilla-plugin-vlc - but that doesnt seem to exist any more.... [08:43] "don't joke about substance abuse on an IRC channel publicly logged"? [08:43] morning boys and girls. [08:46] Myrtti: maybe he's not joking [08:46] jussi: browser-plugin-vlc - multimedia plugin for web browsers based on VLC [08:46] Myrtti: given that the medication is an opiate, it hardly is a joke about substance abuse. [08:47] Myrtti: thanks. do you happen to remember the name of the totem plugin so I can remove it? [08:47] jussi: you can just disable it in about://plugins right? [08:48] jussi: "apt-cache search totem plugin" otherwise :) [08:48] hrm, potentially... let me check. [08:49] Good morning peeps :) [08:49] Back on Linux, yay [08:49] weird. browser says I have vlc plugin. why then do I have a plugin that I cant adjust where I am in the stream? [08:51] jussi: becuase the site asked the vlc plugin to disallow that? [08:52] pip pip [08:52] MartijnVdS: that would be a suprise, as the stream is playable on my android phone and I can do that... [08:53] jussi: i personally never use embedded video players. i tend to extract the stream url and launch vlc or mplayer manually [08:53] Why does the font/text/update window for the Java updater on windows looks like something that was designed to run on Windows 3.0 [08:53] ooh, now vlc just crashes... lovely. and there is a nice typo bug there... [08:54] Ugh, looks awefull [08:54] bah, ubuntu's screenshot app is very poor [08:55] its funny, all the little things Im used to in kubuntu... [08:56] i use Shutter which is very nice [09:05] popey: will it auto map the keys for that if I install it? [09:05] no [09:06] http://shutter-project.org/faq-help/set-shutter-as-the-default-screenshot-tool/ [09:06] comprehensive guide there [09:06] even covers the niche desktop "KDE" [09:06] cripes, that was a lot of deps... [09:06] my boss seems to have done the incomprehensible. I created a backup script which uses rsync and hard links to make daily backups of a server. I originally set the script to keep 30 days worth, and the boss has reduced it to 7 [09:07] because it's hard links, those extra 23 days really don't take up any extra space [09:07] sure they do [09:07] deltas [09:07] SuperMatt: does your boss have pointy hair? [09:08] SuperMatt: some kind of data destruction policy? [09:10] popey: sure, but a lot of the data I sync changes rarely [09:10] so it's nice to have a month to spot a mistake, rather than 7 days, or whatever [09:13] thats annoying then [09:14] indeed [09:14] oh well [09:14] he's obviously done it to get things back to the way he likes it when I leave tomorrow [09:15] mustn't grumble [09:15] And you'll get the blame Monday when things go wrong :D [09:28] diplo: naturally ;) [09:30] Dave2: my tea did not nearly burn me. I am disappointed [09:31] Good morning all; happy Nothing Day! :-D [09:31] JamesTait: [09:31] Nothing day? [09:31] we have nothing to celebrate? [09:31] SuperMatt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Nothing_Day [09:31] or we're supposed to be celebrating the concept of nothingness? [09:32] hilarious [09:32] I do feel we need some British events on this calendar though. [09:34] we'd just end up with national whippet and flatcap day [09:34] yorkshire pudding day [09:35] airfix day [09:35] ooh yes [09:35] I would go in for that day [09:35] Cornish Pasty Day? Please? [09:35] every day is pasty day [09:35] sausage sandwich day [09:36] dammit lads, I now want a sausage sandwich [09:36] replete with extra cheese and bacon [09:37] I had a chuckle when I moved to michigan. turns out the upper peninsula is full of cornish immigrants (where there's tin mines, there's cornish ..). So they thought pasties were a local thing [09:37] poached egg day [09:38] much confusion when the 'foreigner' required no introduction to pasties [09:38] heh [09:39] shauno: weird 'muricans [09:39] pasties... just smaller, less cheesey calzones [09:39] SuperMatt: a bit less tomato-ey as well [09:39] and fewer "Italian" herbs :) [09:39] MartijnVdS: ali1234 apparently there is an app called aemulor which is nonfree, but lets you play old games on the risc os on the pi [09:39] I guess it all really depends on the pastie [09:40] lamb and mint , or cornish original [09:42] cheese and ham please [09:45] http://sploid.gizmodo.com/time-traveling-photographer-adds-herself-into-her-child-1499112549 <- genuninely cool [09:45] a "whole" in the space-time continuum? A whole? [09:45] Can't those people English? [09:46] clearly not [09:46] tbh, I think it's bad editors, or lack of [09:46] \o/ vim [09:47] in the day of print media, that wouldn't have swung, but these days there's such a pressure to publish first that too many mistakes are made [09:52] you would have thought that wtih 24 hr news channels, you might end up with decent news, but it's still politics and death on a rolling 20 minute repeat [09:58] Just disconnected from a client's VPN and noticed that Skype disconnected/reconnected [09:58] That's somewhat disturbing [10:00] bigcalm: Sounds like VPN is using remote gateway [10:05] or skype just bindly reconnects on every network device change [10:09] Silly computers [10:11] AlanBell: Are you around for a pm, no rush if you're busy, just want to pick your brains on software for tyre management/stock control/invoicing etc and see if you've come across anything in the opensource market [10:22] DJones: doesnt openerp cover tht pretty well ? [10:23] oh I so want to eat warm things again... [10:26] jussi: Yeah probably, but I suspect we'd need a pre-developed system rather than have to install openerp and then internally develop the system ourselves [10:28] We also want to move to a hosted system accessable via the web & a web browser if possible, rather than having a system installed on our own machines, current system is pretty old and doesn't really work with multiple depots as a single system, have to have an install at each depot which updates the main system daily via a modem rather than via the web [10:34] DJones: guessing you havent seen openerp recently ? [10:34] jussi: No, its not something I've ever used [10:35] DJones: go have a look over it - it has improved significantly recently [10:35] https://www.openerp.com/ [10:35] has lots of built in "applications" - like POS, management etc [10:36] it has a built-in Piece of Sh*t app? [10:36] MartijnVdS: Point of Sales... [10:40] jussi: I've got no doubt it would do most, if not all, things we need, the problem would be getting it up and running in the an industry standard way firstly, linking to 3rd party supplier/customer systems etc, thats without trying to teach a tyre fitter how to switch a computer/tablet on & actually use it to process job sheets === roht is now known as wadzi [10:41] DJones: yeah, I hear you. guess AlanBell is your man for that... [10:41] Thats more why we'd look for a system already in use first, 1) So we could see how it works and 2) to reduce the setup/configuration needed [10:45] hrm... cold, throat friendly things that are still satisfying.... nope, I couldnt think of any either [10:46] jussi: Fishermens Friend's they're good for bad throats [10:47] DJones: not this kind of bad throat, sadly. (had tonsils out) [10:47] Ah, Chocolate Ice cream? [10:48] yeah, ice cream is good. but gets boring after a while. I wish for a nice roast dinner.... :P [10:48] or a hearty winter stew [10:48] or even a meat pie! [10:48] Heh [10:49] canned fruit salad and ice cream... not so nice when you ar hungry [10:51] I can believe that, my wife had a gastric bypass 12 months ago which probably had similar effects on dietry requirement, she had a month of eating pretty much liquidised/very soft food [10:51] DJones: hi, just reading back . . . [10:51] DJones: I think tomorrow I can have warm stuff already - depends on the soreness. if it continues the same then tomorrow is looking good [10:52] btw, anyone know how to make the fingerprint reader on this hp work ? [10:53] AlanBell: The question is more whether you've come across any tyre depot management software, I guess ideally opensource, but that may well be unlikely due to the small market [10:53] DJones: what third party system links would it need? [10:56] AlanBell: It has to link to places like Michelin, Goodyear etc for price databases, but the big area is that we have to enter job sheets into a 3rd party system to get authorisation codes before producing invoices and then both systems have to be updated with information from both systems, thats a couple of 3rd party systems that use similar idea but different processing methods [10:57] I think in reality, its unlikly that outside of commercial systems that there would be anything available [10:58] yeah, I would start with OpenERP and develop custom modules to do the interfacing [10:59] THis is what we use now http://www.teamsystems.co.uk/Default.asp?page=software but it seems archaic and not particularly updated/developed [10:59] and do some other UI tweaks for presenting the invoices with the 4 wheels with alignment information and so on [11:01] Thats the sort of thing I'd expect, although I suspect the directors would probably go down the line of using a 'known industry system' rather than having to have something developed & integrated themselves [11:01] Morning all [11:02] There's probably also an issue in terms of getting approval from the 3rd party systems to link an unknown/new system into their systems [11:02] Today I've decided is going to be a good day, so everyone enjoy it :D [11:02] DJones: yeah, vertical solutions are sometimes the path of least resistance :) [11:02] Sadly yes [11:03] bigcalm: how did you get on with you Desktop? [11:03] however, sometimes they are trying to extract so much money from the sector that it is worth taking a new approach [11:04] DJones: could you form a consortium of competitors to fund/build a new open source industry solution? [11:06] AlanBell: I doubt it, the market is pretty small once you exclude the big national chains, we're probably one of the biggest outside the nationals, smaller firms probably wouldn't be as concerned with the limitations of the existing systems [11:13] davmor2: fixed it by taring up my home dir, sending it to my server, reinstalling Ubuntu 13.10, copying my home dir back [11:14] bigcalm: that's way drastic why did you need to do that? And then did you do some work in the end ;) [11:14] davmor2: I went to bed at 00:15 once I had reinstalled enough packages to start work this morning [11:15] davmor2: I got fed up and did what I knew would work [11:15] davmor2: making do with the free driver [11:15] davmor2: I'm going to have hell with my new laptop next week, aren't I? [11:16] bigcalm: Why? Should be modernish hardware and just work [11:16] yay modern hardware :) [11:16] davmor2: my workstation is less than a year old [11:18] bigcalm: Is your new laptop dual graphics? eg intel & nvidia, things like that seem like a pig to get working [11:18] bigcalm: then I don't know why you are having issues. The only issue I have had is that trustys 3.13 kernel doesn't like hybrid gfx but that will be fixed [11:18] DJones: not any more nvidia released a prime driver just work in 3.11 and 3.12 got broken by a change in 3.13 but that will be fixed soon [11:19] davmor2: Interesting [11:19] I might consider a new laptop then [11:20] DJones: you need < nvidia-313 and nvidia-prime [11:20] Maybe wait until after bigcalm's got his set up & written up his blog about issues and how to fix them :) [11:21] bigcalm: did you ever say what laptop you were getting? [11:29] I like the look of the Lenovo y510p [11:30] and that knock at the door will be my N4 [11:30] Ah well, we won't see you for the rest of the day [11:30] davmor2: several times ;) http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd?oc=cn75305&model_id=inspiron-15-7537 [11:31] * bigcalm hits refresh on the order page - still in China :( [11:31] DJones: I have the Lenovo Ideapad Y580 i7 8GB 1TB hdd with optimus gfx can't fault it bah the stupidly sensitive trackpad with no real buttons [11:31] davmor2: this page contains the spec of my workstation: http://www.myrant.net/2013/02/17/multi-screen-with-ubuntu-unity/ [11:32] bigcalm: Thats a good price, similar spec to the lenovo, but £200 cheaper [11:32] Processor slightly different & less memory [11:33] Yeah, I couldn't afford the cost of a decent Lenovo [11:35] It says optional touch capeability, or is it just touchscreen anyway, seems to be two different statements on the website [11:36] DJones: yeah, bit odd that. I think it's coming with a touch screen. There weren't any options to change the hardware configuration [11:37] I might well be tempted by that, I'll keep watching to see how you get on [11:38] Specially if I can persuade work to buy it for me :) [11:38] I just saw someone receive an iPad they won from a competition, I can barely believe my eyes. [11:38] dwatkins: you meant that they aren't all scams? [11:39] bigcalm: well, this was an internal (corporate) prize draw thing [11:54] bigcalm: you leaving windows 8 on it (we know how you hate freedom :P) [11:56] hrm, never tought cold meatballs could taste so good... [11:58] davmor2: remember that SSD I returned to OCZ? They sent a replacement that has yet to be used in anything. So I'll swap out the HDD for the SSD before Windows 8 gets a chance to irritate me at all [11:58] bigcalm: nice [12:00] 120GB should be enough for anybody [12:01] * bigcalm hits f5 [12:01] Damn it [12:01] Oh, time for a tweet [12:05] well. Let me tell you that if I get the BT connect android app to work properly on my phone,, it's a godsent [12:06] because it looks like I need to call HMRC [12:06] I should calm down a bit, my eyelid has a muscle twitch now... [12:23] hi folks === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [12:37] davmor2: so will +1 be ready for me to put onto the new laptop on Wednesday? [12:37] sure, I've been running it on my system for months already [12:37] But will the kernel and nvidia be ready? :) [12:38] bigcalm: depends I didn't look at the gfx, if it is dedicated or intel, then yes if it is optimus possibly not but the intel gfx part of it works fine [12:38] bigcalm: I don't know, I avoid nvidia [12:38] bigcalm: nvidia is good now popey can you confirm that on +1 nvidia is good now? [12:39] davmor2: goodie :) [12:39] davmor2: my desktop is fine [12:39] bigcalm: just optimus that is broken currently [12:39] 3.13 is sorted [12:39] popey: except optimus but I might chase up with tseiliot on that after [12:40] -i [12:42] davmor2: the author who died in 1965? [12:43] bigcalm: no [12:45] Aww [12:49] i remember him from ubuntuforums back a good few years ago now [12:49] in the era of automatix [12:49] *shudder* [12:50] he did another thing like that [12:50] what was it called [12:50] envy? [12:51] thats it [12:51] then he got hired ☻ [12:51] with alberto milone? [12:51] that is him [12:51] or is that the same guy [12:51] then everybody tried a dist-upgrade [12:51] remember when Michael Dell said he used Ubuntu at home with 12:49:46 < foobarry> in the era of automatix [12:51] AARRGH ubuntu is lame cannot upgrade [12:51] oops [12:51] remember when Michael Dell said he used Ubuntu at home automatix [12:51] bah [12:51] i get you [12:52] hehe, 2007 [12:52] http://www.beerorkid.com/2007/04/michael-dell-uses-ubuntu-and-automatix/ [12:52] probably stopped when his upgrade failed [12:52] i can see why it was created though. it was neceesary to fill a gap [12:54] either all but 5 of my friends have stopped facebooking or facebook just doesn't wnt to show me their stuff anymore [12:55] or both [12:56] well facebook deliberately limits what you see [12:56] they believe you'd get a firehose every time you login otherwise [12:56] I've been using it less and less [12:56] ironically, the best solution seems to be to have as few friends as possible [13:01] nice of them to choose who i want to see [13:01] i tend to hide people or unfriend them if i'm not interested in their waffle [13:02] foobarry: oh you influence it, by liking things you get to see more by that person [13:02] foobarry: and by commenting etc. [13:02] \o/ 32 [13:02] on a related note, can i filter on twitter stream? [13:02] foobarry: yes, unfollow [13:02] yes, if you use a different client [13:02] i use tweetdeck [13:02] has good filtering options [13:02] foobarry: or make lists and put someine in some lists but not others [13:02] heh, I'm somewhere around the 30 mark too [13:03] i want to filter the content from a user, to reduce the spam but only get interesting bits [13:04] i unfollow noisy people and put them in a "noisy people" list [13:04] which is a separate column off to the right on tweetdeck [13:04] which i rarely look at [13:04] http://imgur.com/Yfksghl [13:05] what my tweetdeck looks like [13:05] with noisy people off screen (along with DMs) on the right [13:05] i'm thinking more about accounts like zinio, kindle, kobo : wanna hear about free books and deals, but not other crap. likewise, if you sign up to the email account you are bomarded linkedin style [13:05] wow. much informations [13:06] such offer [13:08] seems strange to companies that i might not want 10 tweets a day from them [13:08] I tend to not follow companies [13:08] though you could put them in their own list if you want to [13:09] ditto [13:09] but you still have to check the list [13:09] and read their crap [13:09] foobarry: or not, and don't read it unless you feel like it [13:09] i also actively unfollow anyone who promotes a tweet [13:09] the only exception to that so far is nokia [13:09] kindle twitter account have sorted it out now. they only send daily deals [13:10] thats all i wanna see [13:10] kindleuk [13:11] * popey creates a 'deals' stream and adds that and hotdeals uk to it [13:11] "When our website goes back online it will not display any self published material until we are completely confident..that inappropriate books can never be shown again" [13:11] ^^ whsmith. shame their results are full of smut when i search for tame items [13:13] yay, added a mk list and put it waaay out of sight [13:13] mk? [13:14] marketing [13:14] all my lists are two latter abbreviations [13:15] but if you have the official twitter app on your phone will you see the whole thing? can you filter on that? [13:15] no, i dont [13:15] twitter app by default only shows who i am following [13:15] people in lists don't have to be followed [13:15] pretty lame [13:15] no, perfect [13:15] ip = interesting people? [13:15] ah, popey> people in lists don't have to be followed [13:15] yes :) [13:15] gd = games developers [13:16] cf... [13:16] game dev, yeah [13:16] ☻ [13:16] that's a tough one [13:16] it is? [13:16] compact flash, obviously [13:16] something folks [13:16] it was the first list I made iirc [13:16] the names are somewhat loose ☻ [13:18] cf is basically "close friends" but means "people I probably know in real life and would/do go for beer with, and they tweet quite a bit of interesting stuff, and I also follow them" [13:18] but "cf" is shorter [13:18] so i see their stuff in the main feed anyway [13:20] i only use twitter when i'm waiting for my evening train [13:21] might use it more if it was more flexible in terms of filters [13:21] maybe i could write my own code to pull tweets from foobarry -> filter -> foobarryfiltered account [13:33] Hi [13:34] I am new [13:34] Anyone here? [13:35] sometimes [13:35] Good to see you [13:37] Anyone else? [13:37] yep [13:37] I need help [13:37] !ask [13:37] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [13:37] about to kill my phone to try to fix the terrible slowness === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [13:41] lubotu3: Ok [13:41] You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [13:45] Hello bot, then... [13:46] gone_: you said you needed help.. with what do you need help? :) [13:46] I'll ask [13:46] http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584615 [13:46] 584615 [13:47] I mean s/5846/584615/g [13:47] Ok just e_> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584615 [13:47] I can't read the fiery letters" [13:47] 8-) [13:47] or the Chinese ones, for that matter ;) [13:48] oops [13:48] could you retry the command, like this: [13:48] Forgot to tell you that I am a Chinese [13:48] LC_ALL=C make [13:48] is this Debian or Ubuntu, and why not ask on a chinese channel? [13:48] Because they are busy... [13:48] Nobody reply me [13:48] you have missing dependencies [13:49] I've installed libglfw3 [13:49] yeah, i can't decipher the chinese. can you do what MartijnVdS suggested, gone_? [13:49] http://www.cocos2d-x.org/issues/3701 [13:49] I've downloaded the source code and installed it [13:49] Ok [13:49] Wait [13:49] that should give you output in english, which we'll be able to read [13:49] sudo apt-get install libglfw-dev [13:50] also what foobarry said [13:50] foobarry, good job! [13:50] \o/ [13:50] the workaround is on this page http://www.cocos2d-x.org/forums/6/topics/42503 [13:50] http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584636 [13:51] gone_, thanks, that's definitely the issue foobarry links to, which has a small patch to fix it [13:53] I am reading that link [13:53] .3 [13:56] Thanks~ [13:56] Very helpful [13:56] did it work? [13:56] Trying [13:59] "fiery letters" .. I may have to use that one :) [14:00] fiery... [14:00] shauno: It's from LotR :) [14:00] shauno: it's what Frodo calls the letters in the ring after it's been in the fire [14:00] ah, gotcha [14:01] "The letters are Elvish, of an ancient mode, but the language is that of Mordor, which I will not utter here." [14:01] i believe chinese is significantly different from elvish [14:01] elvish script is much more flowing. chinese script is more a series of letters [14:01] logographic [14:02] I always figured elvish was basically welsh [14:03] but it's "Mordorese" written with Elvish letters [14:04] 你好=Hello [14:04] Sounds like "knee how" [14:05] the only chinese i know i learned from watching a languages show on pre-school TV [14:05] http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/lingo-show/ [14:05] * popey just had chinese for lunch [14:05] nom nom nom [14:06]