[03:18] <Dandel> mlankhor1t, Any idea on what will happen now that XvMC is disabled by default in mesa? ( as a hint, it's due to failed unit tests on R300 and R600 gallium drivers )
[03:23] <RAOF> We'd like to turn on the actually useful acceleration (ie: vdpau).
[03:42] <Sarvatt> xvmc was never useful, xv and vdpau werent enabled in debian/ubuntu mesa because of the regressions it causes, what?
[03:43] <RAOF> Oh, what regressions does vdpau support cause?
[03:43] <RAOF> Applications start trying to use it, and fail?
[03:43] <Sarvatt> mpeg2 doesnt work on radeon for one
[03:44] <Sarvatt> if its enabled it tries to use it and just doesn't work
[03:45] <Sarvatt> i think the next stable 10.x mesa release might fix that at least
[03:47] <Sarvatt> some playback apps try to use vdpau if its available, trying to watch an mpeg2 video means it wont work
[03:48] <Sarvatt> aka it broke xbmc playback of recorded tv shows
[03:49] <Sarvatt> flash uses vdpau if its available too
[03:52] <Sarvatt> it advertises mpeg2 acceleration but doesnt work
[03:57] <Sarvatt> 10.0.2 should do shader based decoding on radeon afaik and make it work, not sure its actually been picked up in stable
[04:00] <RAOF> t
[04:00] <RAOF> We wouldn't actually be installing the vdpau libs by default though, would we?
[04:00] <RAOF> That'd be opt-in breakage :)
[04:01] <RAOF> Another option would seem to be patching out the "yah, I support mpeg2" bit.
[04:03] <Sarvatt> 14.04 will for sure have it, but mesa 10.x wasnt good enough imo
[04:05] <Sarvatt> 10.0.x rather
[04:13] <Sarvatt> i guess thats true, it could be opt in
[04:32] <jarkko_> i had 13.10 and not much happened there, but now i upgraded into 14.04 and i get lots of updates...
[04:32] <jarkko_> there was quite a lot some appamor skipping while installing/updating system
[05:43] <tjaalton> jarkko_: feel free to reinstall 13.10 if you don't like that. 14.04 isn't released yet so yes you get daily updates until late april or so..
[05:44] <jarkko_> daily updates?
[05:44] <jarkko_> someone must be busy then
[05:44] <jarkko_> i dont see any change in this
[05:44] <jarkko_> boot time could be better
[05:46] <tjaalton> well we tried to see if mesa 10 fixed radeon for you, then while it was updating you got the upstream bug report saying it's still broken
[05:46] <tjaalton> so if you like a quiet distro with fglrx, stick to 13.10
[05:46] <jarkko_> i am not going to switch back
[05:47] <jarkko_> no reason
[05:47] <jarkko_> installing closed source drivers this boots normally again
[05:50] <tjaalton> yes but they'll break soon :)
[05:50] <jarkko_> ?
[05:50] <jarkko_> what do you mean
[05:51] <tjaalton> the xserver will be updated and we don't have working fglrx for it just yet
[05:51] <tjaalton> but you can just not blindly update and wait until it's settled
[05:51] <jarkko_> to the newest x.org?
[05:51] <tjaalton> yes
[05:52] <jarkko_> would think that ati releases new drivers soon which has a newer kernel support or newer xorg support
[05:52] <jarkko_> there is something broken in this style of coding, if the api changes from every release that ati doesnt work
[05:54] <tjaalton> it was released last month, they're just slow
[05:57] <jarkko_> do you know when xorg is going to pushed?
[05:57] <tjaalton> maybe next week
[06:14] <jarkko_> what's new in latest xorg?
[08:21] <mlankhor1t> Dandel: not pretty much everything said above, if you want to enable vdpau you can build yourself :p