| Kilos | morning superfly and others | 04:13 |
|---|---|---|
| superfly | hi Kilos | 04:14 |
| Kilos | hi mazal | 05:18 |
| mazal | Môre oom | 05:24 |
| Kilos | hi bduk | 05:31 |
| inetpro | good morning Kilos | 05:32 |
| inetpro | and hi to everyone else | 05:32 |
| Kilos | good morning inetpro | 05:32 |
| bduk | Morning everyone | 05:33 |
| Kilos | ai! | 05:38 |
| mazal | Morning inetpro | 05:44 |
| Squirm | morning | 06:31 |
| Kilos | hi there Squirm | 06:40 |
| magespawn | good day all | 07:12 |
| Kilos | ohi magespawn what broke | 07:12 |
| magespawn | looks like a router, but i am not a 100% sure on that | 07:13 |
| Kilos | eish whats it doing? or not doing | 07:13 |
| Kilos | i go let sheep out | 07:18 |
| magespawn | looks like the wan port is faulty, but the jury is still out on that one, have put a spare in and that seems to work fine | 07:23 |
| Kilos | aha | 07:30 |
| Kilos | maybe at times wired stuff is more reliable | 07:31 |
| Kilos | when routers give probs are they fixable or does one discard and replace them? | 07:53 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 07:53 |
| magespawn | ty Kilos, network here is a bit strange | 07:53 |
| Kilos | hi somaunn | 08:15 |
| somaunn | Hi Kilos | 08:15 |
| somaunn | what new here | 08:16 |
| Kilos | not much, very quiet | 08:17 |
| Kilos | everyone overworked and underpaid | 08:17 |
| Kilos | did you have any luck yet | 08:17 |
| Kilos | hi sakhi | 08:17 |
| sakhi | Morning Kilo, ubuntu-za | 08:18 |
| sakhi | *Kilos | 08:19 |
| Kilos | hehe you dont tab complete | 08:19 |
| Kilos | become such a habit here i often type morn tab and it dont show morning | 08:20 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 08:21 |
| charl | good morning | 08:22 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 08:22 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 08:22 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 08:22 | |
| somaunn | hi Maaz, keep me some | 08:23 |
| sakhi | :) funny enough I do it most of the time with longer nicknames. | 08:24 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 08:26 |
| charl | Maaz: thanks | 08:27 |
| Maaz | charl: Okay :-) | 08:27 |
| charl | hi sakhi | 08:27 |
| charl | hi somaunn | 08:27 |
| somaunn | what new here | 09:26 |
| Kilos | hi psyatw Xethron | 09:27 |
| Kilos | no chnage somaunn | 09:27 |
| Kilos | change | 09:27 |
| psyatw | hi Kilos | 09:28 |
| psyatw | hi somaunn | 09:28 |
| psyatw | hi Xethron | 09:28 |
| Kilos | speed up a bit today | 09:32 |
| Kilos | Download Speed: 3403 kbps (425.4 KB/sec transfer rate) | 09:32 |
| Kilos | Upload Speed: 1062 kbps (132.8 KB/sec transfer rate) | 09:32 |
| Kilos | Latency: 73 ms | 09:32 |
| somaunn | Kilos: i can see | 09:44 |
| somaunn | hi psyatw | 09:44 |
| Kilos | my telkom mobile is actually quite good | 09:45 |
| somaunn | hey Kilos, is that your home internet speed ? | 09:45 |
| Kilos | yip my 3g | 09:45 |
| Kilos | when i download big files it runs around 500kB/s most of the time | 09:46 |
| Kilos | wbb, just going to kde | 09:48 |
| somaunn | Kilos: please tell me when we say 3403kbps but see on the DM 425.4kbps transfer is there something wrong ? | 09:59 |
| Kilos | the 425.4kbps should be kB | 10:00 |
| Kilos | kilobytes | 10:01 |
| Kilos | small b is bits | 10:01 |
| somaunn | Kilos: okay | 10:04 |
| somaunn | please explain that to me because i'm sometime lost | 10:04 |
| Kilos | ok | 10:04 |
| Kilos | 8 bits make up one byte | 10:04 |
| Kilos | some people give you speeds in mb/s and others in kB/s | 10:05 |
| Kilos | if you only getting kb/s that is very slow | 10:06 |
| Kilos | 3403/8 | 10:07 |
| Kilos | ai! | 10:07 |
| Kilos | Maaz: 3403/8 | 10:07 |
| Maaz | Kilos: 425.375 | 10:07 |
| Kilos | 3403 is mb/s | 10:07 |
| Kilos | 425 is kB/s | 10:08 |
| Kilos | reg ne inetpro ? | 10:08 |
| somaunn | Kilos: ok | 10:11 |
| somaunn | let me make it clear | 10:11 |
| somaunn | what is megabyte and what is megabit | 10:11 |
| somaunn | ? | 10:12 |
| Kilos | megabit is a million bits | 10:12 |
| Kilos | megabyte is 8 times that | 10:12 |
| Kilos | 8 bits make up one byte | 10:13 |
| inetpro | Kilos: bytes are less than bits | 10:17 |
| Kilos | yes | 10:17 |
| inetpro | so it's megabits/8 to get megabytes | 10:17 |
| Kilos | no | 10:17 |
| Kilos | bytes are 8 bits | 10:17 |
| inetpro | 1 byte = 8 bits | 10:18 |
| Kilos | yes | 10:18 |
| Kilos | look where i got maaz to divide for me | 10:18 |
| somaunn | Kilos, inetpro: you are going too fast please | 10:18 |
| inetpro | ai! | 10:19 |
| somaunn | i want to know what is amount of data and what is speed | 10:19 |
| somaunn | speed related | 10:19 |
| Kilos | ok 3403kb/s is kilobits per second | 10:20 |
| inetpro | speed is measured in seconds | 10:20 |
| Kilos | in bytes the exactly same thing is 425.375kB/s | 10:20 |
| somaunn | ok, if we talk speed the we say [3megabit per second] | 10:21 |
| inetpro | 3403 kb = 425.375 kB | 10:21 |
| somaunn | when we talk data we say [425.375 kilobytes per second] | 10:22 |
| Kilos | some do yes but if i use aptitude upgarde or install it shows me in kB/s | 10:22 |
| Kilos | its the same thing | 10:22 |
| inetpro | kb = kilobits | 10:22 |
| inetpro | kB = kilobytes | 10:22 |
| Kilos | thats how long it takes to download | 10:22 |
| inetpro | mb = megabits | 10:23 |
| inetpro | mB = megabytes | 10:23 |
| inetpro | 3403 kb = 3.403 mb | 10:24 |
| Kilos | no | 10:24 |
| inetpro | yes | 10:24 |
| inetpro | 1000 kb = 1 mb | 10:25 |
| Kilos | oh ya sorry | 10:25 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 10:25 |
| Kilos | .3 isnt it | 10:25 |
| Kilos | 3403 kb is 425 kB which is under half a meg | 10:26 |
| Kilos | oh in bytes | 10:26 |
| Kilos | whew | 10:27 |
| inetpro | 425 kBps is not bad | 10:27 |
| somaunn | inetpro, Kilos: you see all the confusion comes from my home language | 10:28 |
| inetpro | anything above 128kBps is very workable | 10:28 |
| somaunn | in french we usually say kilo or meg without any regard to which is data/speed related | 10:28 |
| Kilos | 1000 bits=1byte | 10:29 |
| Kilos | 1000 bytes =1 meg | 10:30 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 10:30 |
| Kilos | somaunn: they are all speed and amounts of data per second | 10:31 |
| Kilos | the amount of data per second downloaded is the speed your net is working at | 10:32 |
| Kilos | same as kilometers per hour is the distance travelled in an hour | 10:34 |
| Kilos | haha hi Eames | 10:38 |
| somaunn | Kilos, inetpro: Thank you so much for your help | 10:44 |
| Kilos | yw | 10:44 |
| Kilos | thats why we are here | 10:45 |
| Kilos | just need a clever oke to check at times | 10:45 |
| Vince-0 | ! | 10:45 |
| Kilos | my bits and bytes knowledge is memories from 30 years ago | 10:46 |
| Kilos | hi Golynx | 10:47 |
| Golynx | Hey Kilos | 10:47 |
| Golynx | Downloaded the driver, was about 93MB total, but only 46MB for each of the 2 that was on the list, but they were similar | 10:49 |
| Golynx | It shows some weird graphics card in system details ATI Fire GL. When i look in terminal it shows the correct card | 10:50 |
| Kilos | explain look in terminal please | 10:51 |
| Golynx | There is a big lag in the browser, and the loading icon aswell turns slower than it used to | 10:51 |
| Kilos | what browser you talking about? | 10:53 |
| Kilos | opera | 10:53 |
| Golynx | Well that info on that site said to type in fglrxinfo and it shows my card ATI radeon HD 3200 | 10:53 |
| Golynx | Yes | 10:53 |
| Kilos | that could be your internet sucking | 10:54 |
| Golynx | Everything in the browser is now slow | 10:54 |
| Kilos | sudo aptitude reinstall opera | 10:54 |
| Golynx | nope , page scroll aswell got big lag and hurt my eyes | 10:54 |
| Golynx | ok | 10:55 |
| Kilos | maybe those graphics drivers have added something opera doesnt see | 10:55 |
| Golynx | Plus the windows got shadows around them now, and more animated effects | 10:56 |
| Kilos | lol | 10:56 |
| Kilos | you should use kubuntu and turn off desktop effects | 10:56 |
| Golynx | Why lol | 10:56 |
| Kilos | i also hate all the animated stuff | 10:56 |
| Kilos | but not everything can be turned off | 10:57 |
| Golynx | hmm this sucks | 10:57 |
| Kilos | modern peeps like the eye candy | 10:57 |
| Golynx | In ubuntu tweak i can now turn off the dash opacity and some other minor effects , but now windows shadows or animation efects options | 10:58 |
| Golynx | no* | 10:59 |
| Kilos | ai! | 10:59 |
| Golynx | Now when i browse nautilus , the fan starts spinning faster and faster | 11:01 |
| Kilos | maybe when you got data install mate | 11:02 |
| Kilos | thats very light | 11:03 |
| Kilos | installs into ubuntu | 11:03 |
| Golynx | And why did it only say 2D acceleration when i installed the driver, Yesterday it said 3D acceleration will be activated when installed | 11:05 |
| Kilos | maybe there is a way to set it to 2d | 11:08 |
| Golynx | Really its should not be that hard , just to put an "Disable animated effects" option in unity 2D | 11:10 |
| Golynx | Even where i input text is lagged now | 11:10 |
| Golynx | With mate i will have to install everything again | 11:12 |
| Golynx | hi magespawn | 11:13 |
| Golynx | Kilos i see compiz is using 20% of the cpu all the time. That should not be happening | 11:20 |
| Kilos | thats mainly because of min ram i think | 11:23 |
| Kilos | isnt there a way to make it use 2d | 11:23 |
| Golynx | And 60% cpu when i scroll in opera or move a window | 11:24 |
| Golynx | I dont know | 11:24 |
| Kilos | wait lemme ask google | 11:26 |
| Kilos | maaz google how to revert to 2d on 12.04 | 11:27 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "After Ubuntu 12.04 LTS update, Only Unity 2D ... bug? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/262320/after-ubuntu-12-04-lts-update-only-unity-2d-bug :: "unity - Your Ubuntu 12.04 is running in 2D mode. Many features will ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/252018/your-ubuntu-12-04-is-running-in-2d-mode-many-features-will-not-be-available-ub :: "How to | 11:27 |
| Maaz | change from Unity 2D to 3D? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/171853/how-to-ch… | 11:27 |
| Kilos | ai! | 11:27 |
| Kilos | Maaz: how to stop 3d on 12.04 | 11:27 |
| Maaz | Kilos: *blink* | 11:27 |
| Kilos | ai! | 11:27 |
| Kilos | Maaz: google how to stop 3d on 12.04 | 11:28 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "compiz - How do I disable visual effects in Ubuntu 12.04.1? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/186913/how-do-i-disable-visual-effects-in-ubuntu-12-04-1 :: "Howto disable 3d effects/compiz on 12.10? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/203075/howto-disable-3d-effects-compiz-on-12-10 :: "12.04 - Unity stopped working in 3D after software update | 11:28 |
| Maaz | - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/304945/unity-stopped-working-in-3d-after-softw… | 11:28 |
| Kilos | thats better | 11:28 |
| Kilos | my pc got faster when i installed the correct graphics drivers | 11:30 |
| Golynx | lemme try something | 11:31 |
| Kilos | reboot | 11:33 |
| Kilos | graphics install stuff to kernel | 11:33 |
| Golynx | Right i managed to cure the lag issue, by rebooting and on login click on the ubuntu icon where it gives Ubuntu 3D and Ubuntu 2D options, so i picked 2D. No more lag and that pest "compiz" is dead | 11:45 |
| Kilos | yay | 11:49 |
| Kilos | well done | 11:50 |
| Kilos | soon you can help me | 11:50 |
| Golynx | lol , i dunno why they hide that option though | 11:50 |
| Kilos | most young peeps dont want to change things | 11:51 |
| Kilos | eye candy rules | 11:51 |
| Golynx | Atleast my system seems to be running cool and calm now | 11:51 |
| Kilos | thats good | 11:51 |
| Golynx | lol, a student cannot help his teacher | 11:52 |
| Kilos | should be faster with them drivers installed and running on 2d | 11:52 |
| Kilos | oh yes | 11:52 |
| Kilos | the student just needs to think more | 11:53 |
| Golynx | haha ya sure :p | 11:53 |
| * Golynx can finally say UBUNTU ROCKS !!! :D | 11:54 | |
| Kilos | dont forget different pepps see things differently | 11:54 |
| Kilos | ooo yay that made my day | 11:54 |
| Golynx | Thanks for all the help Kilos , it was a success :) | 11:55 |
| Kilos | often looking at stuff from a different viewpoints helps peeps find easier way and shortcuts | 11:55 |
| Kilos | youre welcome laddy | 11:55 |
| Golynx | Ya thats true , its the best way to do things | 11:56 |
| Kilos | many hands make tight work | 11:57 |
| Golynx | The rest is up to me now, so no more complaints from me hehe | 11:57 |
| Kilos | unless globe is blown | 11:57 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:57 |
| Kilos | youre startup approach was wrong | 11:57 |
| Golynx | How do you mean | 11:58 |
| Kilos | one must forget what you did on wondows | 11:58 |
| Golynx | oh | 11:58 |
| Kilos | and start from scratch | 11:58 |
| Golynx | Ya linux is different in many ways , but some base computer principles still apply | 11:58 |
| Kilos | like if you get on an old motorbike | 11:59 |
| Kilos | it doesnt help saying i cant find the str=arter button | 11:59 |
| Kilos | there wasnt one | 11:59 |
| Golynx | lol , thats a nice one | 11:59 |
| Kilos | like the pro always says you must compair apples with apples nothing else | 12:00 |
| Kilos | compare | 12:00 |
| Kilos | now if you try another linux os then you can compair | 12:01 |
| Kilos | ai! | 12:01 |
| Kilos | compare | 12:01 |
| Golynx | Thanks i will remember that | 12:01 |
| Golynx | Your a wise one :) | 12:01 |
| Kilos | na | 12:02 |
| Kilos | my email addy sums me up | 12:02 |
| Kilos | and the pro borrows it now and again | 12:02 |
| Golynx | true , the years adds wisdom, so you can pass that on to the young ones, to continue the cycle | 12:03 |
| * mazal wonder wat oom Kilos gedrink het | 12:03 | |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:03 |
| Kilos | net tee man | 12:03 |
| mazal | Ek sien die tikwerk werk nie so lekker vandag nie oom :) | 12:04 |
| Kilos | kop klap ietwat | 12:04 |
| Kilos | but im smiling. another happy ubuntu user, and billy boy loses out again | 12:07 |
| magespawn | afternoon all, i see i have been a yoyo today | 12:16 |
| Kilos | oh i found an option in kde where you can choose what your connection speed shows as | 12:16 |
| Kilos | kb/s or kB/s | 12:17 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 12:17 |
| Golynx | Wb magespawn | 12:22 |
| somaunn | Kilos: that's good | 12:24 |
| Kilos | wish it was after 14.04 release date | 12:35 |
| magespawn | thanks guys | 12:35 |
| Kilos | wanna try kubuntu 14.04 | 12:35 |
| magespawn | i have a complex question here | 12:35 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 12:35 |
| magespawn | on this machine i can get out on to the internet my ip address is 10.0.0.114 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 12:36 |
| magespawn | on my lubuntu laptop i dead end in a router config page at 10.0.10.1 and my ip is 10.0.0.115 netmask 255.0.0.0 | 12:37 |
| magespawn | my question is how is this possible? | 12:38 |
| magespawn | i understand they are on two different subnets but as far as i have been told there is only one router here. | 12:39 |
| magespawn | now obviously this is wrong | 12:39 |
| * magespawn goes on a router hunt | 12:42 | |
| mazal | Bye everyone , enjoy your evening | 12:42 |
| Kilos | magespawn: you can set your ips and stuff in nm | 12:48 |
| Kilos | cant remember the iptables cli way | 12:52 |
| Kilos | but why worry if it can go online anyway | 12:52 |
| Kilos | but dont routers asign ips automatically | 13:00 |
| magespawn | that is the thing Kilos | 13:04 |
| magespawn | this one is win7 set dhcp the other is lubuntu also set to dhcp | 13:05 |
| Kilos | ai! | 13:05 |
| Kilos | ya then the router is asigning them but as long as they can both go online thats good aint it | 13:05 |
| Kilos | or doesnt the lappy go online? | 13:08 |
| Kilos | the netmask thing | 13:09 |
| magespawn | the lubuntu one does not | 13:27 |
| magespawn | unplugged and replugged the cable ane hey presto | 13:28 |
| magespawn | now it is online | 13:28 |
| Kilos | then you gotta go into the router and allow it isnt it | 13:29 |
| Kilos | oh my | 13:30 |
| Kilos | well theres a luck | 13:30 |
| Kilos | no thinking needed | 13:30 |
| magespawn | strange, and that is not good | 13:30 |
| Kilos | didnt you chnage routers | 13:31 |
| Kilos | change | 13:31 |
| Kilos | they are stupi things and sometimes only work after rebooting | 13:31 |
| somaunn | magespawn: if i get you well your Lubuntu box doesn't pick up dhcp address in auto and you have to unplug and plug again | 13:33 |
| somaunn | Kilos: what is the best shell editor | 13:53 |
| somaunn | i'm studying powershell as part of job to do | 13:53 |
| Kilos | i like nano | 13:53 |
| Kilos | but gedit is good | 13:53 |
| Kilos | i dunno about shells, is that terminals? | 13:53 |
| somaunn | but would like to know if there is something similar | 13:54 |
| Kilos | like with bash? | 13:54 |
| Kilos | i get lost with all these things | 13:54 |
| somaunn | do you know something similar to powershel under linux | 13:55 |
| Kilos | such involved questions you must ask inetpro or superfly | 13:55 |
| Kilos | Maaz: google alternative to powershell for linux | 13:56 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "Microsoft PowerShell 2: Going Beyond its UNIX/Linux Insprirations ..." http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/05/microsoft_powershell_2_going_b.html :: "Replacement for Powershell ? - Windows 7 Help Forums" http://www.sevenforums.com/software/161973-replacement-powershell.html :: "Windows PowerShell for UNIX shell addicted person - nixCraft" | 13:56 |
| Maaz | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/windows-powershell-for-unix-shell-addicted-person.html :: "windows - t… | 13:56 |
| Kilos | look at the last one i think | 13:56 |
| Kilos | i go fetch sheep quick | 13:58 |
| Golynx | I gave up on Gedit, it did'nt indent my code as i wanted. So i chose Geany instead. Its a nice light little ide | 13:58 |
| Golynx | have fun Kilos | 13:59 |
| inetpro | somaunn: shell editor or command line editor? | 14:00 |
| magespawn | later all | 14:01 |
| inetpro | vi or actually vim is the most popular editor by far | 14:02 |
| inetpro | vi is just a shortcut to vim | 14:02 |
| inetpro | on any modern linux distro at least | 14:03 |
| somaunn | inetpro: something similar to powershell | 14:03 |
| inetpro | somaunn: what is powershell? | 14:03 |
| inetpro | Windows PowerShell is Microsoft's task automation and configuration management framework, consisting of a command-line shell and associated scripting language built on .NET Framework. | 14:04 |
| inetpro | somaunn: you mean that ^^ ? | 14:04 |
| somaunn | yes | 14:04 |
| inetpro | that has very little to do with an editor | 14:05 |
| inetpro | and that powershell thingy on windows doesn't come close to what we have on Linux | 14:06 |
| superfly | PowerShell is Microsoft's very late answer to what the UNIX world has had for more than 30 years | 14:06 |
| inetpro | thank you superfly | 14:07 |
| somaunn | inetpro: thanks | 14:07 |
| somaunn | what do we have on linux | 14:08 |
| somaunn | then | 14:08 |
| inetpro | Bourne shell | 14:09 |
| inetpro | C shell | 14:09 |
| inetpro | Bourne-Again shell | 14:09 |
| inetpro | Debian Almquist shell | 14:09 |
| inetpro | Korn shell | 14:09 |
| inetpro | Z shell | 14:09 |
| inetpro | and many more | 14:09 |
| inetpro | even python | 14:10 |
| inetpro | and some people even prefer to stick with just tee-cee-shell | 14:11 |
| inetpro | tcsh | 14:11 |
| inetpro | the C shell is like a C programming environment on steroids | 14:14 |
| somaunn | inetpro: okay, as far as i know i can access bash from terminal | 14:15 |
| somaunn | but i would like to have a dedicated interface to interract with bash | 14:15 |
| inetpro | as far as I'm aware bash is probably the most widely used | 14:15 |
| inetpro | what do you mean with dedicated interface? | 14:16 |
| inetpro | on Kubuntu konsole is my dedicated interface that is always open on my screen | 14:17 |
| somaunn | inetpro: like this http://goo.gl/x495by | 14:20 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 14:20 |
| Kilos | Maaz: LPI manual | 14:21 |
| Maaz | http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf | 14:21 |
| inetpro | rephrase: on Kubuntu, konsole is my dedicated interface and is always in use 99.9% of the time | 14:21 |
| Kilos | only shells i like have oysters and mussels in them | 14:22 |
| Golynx | lol | 14:29 |
| inetpro | somaunn: are you using Ubuntu? | 14:31 |
| Kilos | somaunn: get the manual in the above link. you can learn lots about everything there | 14:31 |
| inetpro | and what version? | 14:31 |
| Kilos | you too Golynx | 14:31 |
| inetpro | somaunn: if you ask me this evening I might have more time to answer | 14:32 |
| inetpro | obviously others are welcome to chip in at any time | 14:32 |
| inetpro | even Kilos knows how to open and close the command line interface | 14:34 |
| Golynx | Why use that Kilos. I google anytime i get stuck with something , all in one file is not my style | 14:34 |
| Kilos | Golynx: is you can learn to do everything in that maunual you can go write the LPI exam | 14:35 |
| Kilos | its the study manual for linux professionals | 14:35 |
| Kilos | or peeps that wanna be pros | 14:36 |
| Golynx | I'm a web developer though | 14:36 |
| Kilos | i only understand the first 2 pages | 14:36 |
| Kilos | when you doing nothing you can study | 14:37 |
| Kilos | never stop learning | 14:37 |
| Golynx | ok cool , will look at it as soon as i can download pdf's | 14:37 |
| Kilos | huh? | 14:38 |
| Kilos | you mean data wise? | 14:38 |
| Kilos | you dont need to install anything else. ubuntu can read pdfs | 14:38 |
| Golynx | Nope , opera gives blank screen | 14:39 |
| Kilos | oh my i had that did something in settings | 14:39 |
| Kilos | or use firefox | 14:40 |
| Kilos | it should be installed ther | 14:40 |
| Kilos | ethere | 14:40 |
| Kilos | ai! | 14:40 |
| Kilos | type firefox in dash | 14:40 |
| somaunn | Maaz: cool | 14:40 |
| Maaz | That is good to know | 14:40 |
| somaunn | inetpro: not i'm using Fedora and redhat | 14:41 |
| Kilos | ah then Squirm is the goto guy for probs with redhat stuffs | 14:42 |
| Golynx | Bug in opera , cant untick hide filetype extensions | 14:42 |
| Golynx | What is that terminal download manager ? | 14:43 |
| somaunn | Golynx: leave opera jump the firefox | 14:43 |
| inetpro | somaunn: hmm... nothing wrong with that, question that needs to be answered is, what desktop environment you use | 14:43 |
| inetpro | is it Gnome or KDE? | 14:43 |
| inetpro | or something else | 14:43 |
| Golynx | somaunn firefox are too intense on my system | 14:43 |
| somaunn | inetpro: Gnome 3.10 (gnome-shell) | 14:44 |
| inetpro | somaunn: in that case gnome-shell is your dedicated environment to interact with bash | 14:44 |
| somaunn | Golynx: yeah i realized the same but as i don't like chromium at all so i have to keep stayin on firefox | 14:44 |
| somaunn | cuz i use downthemall to DL my files | 14:45 |
| somaunn | inetpro: oooooooooookaaaaayyyyyyyyyy | 14:45 |
| inetpro | :-) | 14:45 |
| Kilos | Golynx: lynx links elinks | 14:47 |
| somaunn | Golynx: look epiphany | 14:47 |
| Kilos | oh Golynx | 14:47 |
| Kilos | install | 14:47 |
| Kilos | um | 14:47 |
| Kilos | midori | 14:48 |
| inetpro | the bash (Bourne-Again SHell) manual is available at: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/ | 14:48 |
| Kilos | oh ya epiphany | 14:48 |
| Kilos | epiphany close to firefox but much lighter | 14:49 |
| Golynx | somaunn thats nice | 14:49 |
| Golynx | ok Kilos | 14:49 |
| somaunn | Golynx: have you tried it? | 14:49 |
| Golynx | Busy loading uget though | 14:50 |
| Kilos | opera must work man it works well | 14:50 |
| Kilos | enable popups | 14:50 |
| Kilos | you get a popup to save that book somewhere | 14:50 |
| Golynx | All other file types works Kilos | 14:50 |
| Golynx | Nope somaunn | 14:50 |
| somaunn | Kilos: i've epiphany installed but never tried it you see, i just gave it a chance when Golynx said opera can't load the page and foudn it really fast | 14:51 |
| Kilos | man you have disabled something again | 14:51 |
| Kilos | opera works here | 14:51 |
| Kilos | yeah epiphany rocks | 14:51 |
| * Squirm pops in | 14:52 | |
| Kilos | maybe you can also wget that book | 14:52 |
| Kilos | try wget http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf | 14:52 |
| Golynx | Its the "hide filetype extensions" that dont wana stay unticked | 14:52 |
| Golynx | ok | 14:53 |
| Golynx | yeah thats what i wanted | 14:53 |
| Golynx | ty Kilos | 14:53 |
| Kilos | np | 14:53 |
| Kilos | and if your net cuts halfway you use wget -c "link" to get the rest | 14:55 |
| Golynx | Aah yes now i remember :) | 14:55 |
| Kilos | write it down or make a file with commands in | 14:56 |
| Golynx | Its already in | 14:56 |
| Kilos | good | 14:57 |
| Golynx | I saved the same command days ago, i forgot about the file lol | 14:58 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:59 |
| Kilos | just now ill be lending you my email addy too | 14:59 |
| Golynx | My lappies hardware feels like win7 again , love it ! | 14:59 |
| Golynx | oh | 15:02 |
| Kilos | yeah somaunn its much lighter than firefox | 15:04 |
| somaunn | Kilos: did you try it | 15:04 |
| Kilos | i have it installed but mainly use opera | 15:04 |
| somaunn | Kilos: i'm actually doing a download test with a pdf file i've found online and it's quite fast | 15:05 |
| Kilos | cool | 15:06 |
| Kilos | download that LPI manual. it teaches you lots | 15:07 |
| Kilos | also rehdat sysadmin stuff and all | 15:07 |
| Kilos | redhat | 15:07 |
| Kilos | nuvolari: gaan huistoe | 15:09 |
| Golynx | Got the pdf download working in opera Kilos. Edited the application/pdf that opera hides by default , to "Save on Disk" | 15:15 |
| Kilos | good | 15:16 |
| Kilos | i save those downloads to desktop the put them in relevant files | 15:16 |
| somaunn | Kilos: i've done with the lpi file will read it carefully | 15:17 |
| Golynx | I just choose the location from popup | 15:17 |
| Kilos | cool somaunn tons of valuable knowledge in it | 15:18 |
| nlsthzn | o/ | 15:28 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn hows ya | 15:28 |
| Kilos | you okes work too hard. i dont get resting time here | 15:29 |
| nlsthzn | hey uncle Kilos... back from work which I am very thankful for having but still don't like :p | 15:29 |
| Kilos | hehe | 15:29 |
| charl | ok new phone is working | 15:45 |
| charl | this whole lync business is quite interesting | 15:45 |
| charl | i want to actually try the skype federation next | 15:45 |
| charl | have a good evening all | 16:04 |
| somaunn | thank you charl | 16:05 |
| * Kilos going to unity. wbb | 16:09 | |
| Golynx | Wb Kilos | 16:33 |
| Kilos | ty | 16:33 |
| Kilos | stupid modem didnt wanna work | 16:33 |
| Golynx | Aah | 16:34 |
| Golynx | Is there a lighter file explorer in ubuntu, other than nautilus | 16:34 |
| Kilos | i dunno. nautilus works well man | 16:35 |
| Kilos | if its battling a bit do sudo aptitude reinstall nautilus | 16:35 |
| Golynx | My fan starts spinning faster everytime i go there | 16:35 |
| Golynx | Not super fast though | 16:35 |
| Kilos | well thats a smart fan. when pc works more fan blows more | 16:36 |
| Golynx | Its ok i will keep it, i'm used to the file manager not working hard | 16:37 |
| Kilos | there might be a lighter one but the dev guys thought nautilus was best | 16:38 |
| Golynx | ya fan works great! | 16:38 |
| Kilos | reinstall it | 16:38 |
| Kilos | maybe it wasnt a very good install with everything battling like you did' | 16:38 |
| Golynx | hmm, it came with the dvd | 16:40 |
| Kilos | ya but reinstall nautilus and see if that helps | 16:40 |
| Golynx | Can i do it in synaptic | 16:41 |
| Kilos | yes but whats wrong with aptitude | 16:42 |
| Golynx | i'm used to graphics lol | 16:43 |
| Kilos | aptitude is a very clever tool and looks for other probs too | 16:43 |
| Kilos | but synaptic works too | 16:43 |
| Golynx | sudo aptitude reinstall nautilus | 16:45 |
| Kilos | yes | 16:45 |
| Golynx | ok | 16:45 |
| Golynx | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) | 16:46 |
| Golynx | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 16:46 |
| Golynx | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) | 16:46 |
| Golynx | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 16:46 |
| Kilos | close synaptic | 16:46 |
| Golynx | ok | 16:46 |
| Golynx | E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the nautilus package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. | 16:47 |
| Golynx | E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the nautilus package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. | 16:47 |
| Golynx | E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download | 16:47 |
| Kilos | go look for it in synaptic | 16:47 |
| Kilos | oh ya its not in your archives | 16:48 |
| Golynx | Done | 16:48 |
| Golynx | What now | 16:48 |
| Kilos | you might need to run sudo apt-get update | 16:49 |
| Kilos | aptitude should have seen that package in the list | 16:49 |
| Golynx | Will it still be less than 20mb | 16:49 |
| Kilos | yes every time its less | 16:49 |
| Golynx | ok | 16:50 |
| Kilos | when nearly updated then its 2m | 16:50 |
| Golynx | It stopped with this error | 16:51 |
| Golynx | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) | 16:51 |
| Golynx | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 16:51 |
| Kilos | you have synaptic open | 16:51 |
| Golynx | lol | 16:52 |
| Kilos | thats the other process | 16:52 |
| Golynx | reading package list... Done | 16:52 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:52 |
| Kilos | how many meg? | 16:53 |
| Golynx | Didnt show anything , just a small list of packages | 16:53 |
| Kilos | not downloaded so much in so long? | 16:54 |
| Golynx | Nope, just 7 or so stuff from synaptics | 16:55 |
| Kilos | type in sudo aptitude upgrade | 16:55 |
| Kilos | and see if it wants to upgrade anything | 16:55 |
| Golynx | huh, but that upgrades everything | 16:55 |
| Kilos | only if you tick y | 16:56 |
| Golynx | ok | 16:56 |
| Golynx | The following packages will be upgraded: | 16:56 |
| Golynx | adobe-flash-properties-gtk adobe-flashplugin | 16:56 |
| Golynx | 2 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 16:56 |
| Golynx | Need to get 6 730 kB of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. | 16:56 |
| Kilos | 6.7 meg then to upgrade | 16:57 |
| Kilos | thats why you battled with gtk | 16:57 |
| Golynx | hmm ok, so i tick Y | 16:58 |
| Kilos | ya | 16:58 |
| Golynx | ok | 16:59 |
| Golynx | Will take about 10 min lol | 16:59 |
| Kilos | whew | 17:00 |
| Golynx | Right its upgraded now | 17:08 |
| Golynx | Now i do sudo apt-get update | 17:10 |
| Golynx | wb nlsthzn | 17:11 |
| nlsthzn | hi Golynx, thanks :) | 17:11 |
| Golynx | yw nlsthzn :) | 17:12 |
| nlsthzn | :) | 17:13 |
| Golynx | No luck Kilos | 17:14 |
| somaunn | guys | 17:17 |
| somaunn | is there a channel where i can learn and practice linux ? | 17:17 |
| Kilos | Golynx, ? | 17:21 |
| Golynx | yip | 17:21 |
| Kilos | whats no luck? | 17:21 |
| Golynx | still no size in sudo apt-get update | 17:22 |
| Kilos | no man you dont do update again | 17:22 |
| Golynx | oh | 17:22 |
| Kilos | always first update then upgrade then done | 17:22 |
| Golynx | and sudo aptitude reinstall nautilus gives same error | 17:23 |
| Kilos | if anything doesnt work smooth then reinstall with aptitude | 17:23 |
| Kilos | do nautilus in synaptic and see | 17:23 |
| Golynx | ok | 17:23 |
| Kilos | maybe the repo is down | 17:23 |
| Kilos | oh ya i changed off main last night | 17:24 |
| Golynx | ok i got first file of naulitus highlighted | 17:25 |
| Golynx | what now | 17:25 |
| Kilos | changed to server for south africa | 17:25 |
| Kilos | check what other installed files are there | 17:25 |
| Kilos | while you have nautilus typed in the top | 17:25 |
| Golynx | i see all nautilus files plus a other few | 17:26 |
| Kilos | reinstall them all | 17:27 |
| Golynx | how | 17:27 |
| Kilos | in synaptic right click reinstall | 17:27 |
| Golynx | Mark for reinstallation is disabled | 17:28 |
| Kilos | then they are must haves you cant fiddle with | 17:28 |
| Kilos | but do those you can | 17:29 |
| Kilos | and see if it wants to download | 17:29 |
| Kilos | then we know that remastersys dvd didnt do a full job | 17:29 |
| Golynx | mark suggested for installation and Removal is the only options | 17:30 |
| Kilos | no man | 17:31 |
| Kilos | only the green ones you must look at | 17:31 |
| Kilos | not all the rest | 17:31 |
| Golynx | Yes it is the Nautilus one with the green tick | 17:31 |
| Kilos | green ticked or green blob or something on the left | 17:31 |
| Kilos | and no others in that page | 17:32 |
| Kilos | ? | 17:32 |
| Golynx | Others show the same options | 17:32 |
| Kilos | are they green? | 17:32 |
| Golynx | Yes i only do the green ones | 17:33 |
| Kilos | good | 17:33 |
| Kilos | do it then | 17:33 |
| Golynx | Its them thats options are disables on right click | 17:33 |
| Golynx | disabled* | 17:33 |
| Kilos | then leave them | 17:34 |
| Kilos | tick apply | 17:34 |
| Golynx | I cant mark anything that got nautilus | 17:35 |
| Kilos | oh | 17:35 |
| Kilos | close synaptic | 17:35 |
| Golynx | Only Mark for removal is there | 17:35 |
| Golynx | ok | 17:35 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get install nautilus --reinstall | 17:35 |
| Golynx | Reading package lists... Done | 17:37 |
| Golynx | Building dependency tree | 17:37 |
| Golynx | Reading state information... Done | 17:37 |
| Golynx | Reinstallation of nautilus is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. | 17:37 |
| Golynx | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 17:37 |
| Kilos | haha superfly funny that post in fb | 17:37 |
| nlsthzn | what happened to nautilus? | 17:37 |
| Kilos | its struggling nlsthzn | 17:37 |
| Golynx | nlsthzn its using too much cpu than it should | 17:39 |
| Kilos | something wrong there | 17:39 |
| Golynx | Found this on google: | 17:39 |
| Golynx | Re: Urgent Help! Ubuntu 12.04 upgrade - Nautilus broken | 17:39 |
| Golynx | You can try deleting your nautilus folder. | 17:39 |
| Golynx | Code: | 17:39 |
| Golynx | rm -rf .gconf/apps/nautilus/ | 17:39 |
| Golynx | and | 17:39 |
| Golynx | Code: | 17:39 |
| Golynx | rm -rf .config/nautilus/ | 17:39 |
| Golynx | Which will delete all your nautilus settings. And then reinstall nautilus | 17:39 |
| Golynx | Code: | 17:39 |
| Golynx | sudo apt-get install --reinstall nautilus nautilus-data | 17:39 |
| Kilos | in synaptic if i right click nautilus it gives reinstall option | 17:39 |
| Golynx | Not in mine | 17:40 |
| Kilos | what have you fiddled with now | 17:40 |
| Kilos | open update manager | 17:40 |
| Golynx | Nope nothing , i found that on google | 17:40 |
| Golynx | ok | 17:40 |
| Kilos | then tick settings and tell me what repo its using | 17:41 |
| Kilos | in ubuntu software on the left | 17:42 |
| Golynx | main server | 17:42 |
| Kilos | change that to server for south africa | 17:42 |
| Golynx | ok | 17:42 |
| Kilos | i think that repo is sick since last night | 17:43 |
| Golynx | oh ok | 17:43 |
| Kilos | but now its gonna do the 20 update again | 17:43 |
| nlsthzn | if in doubt change to the main server... | 17:43 |
| Kilos | it was on main nlsthzn | 17:44 |
| nlsthzn | hmmm... | 17:44 |
| Golynx | hmm | 17:44 |
| Kilos | i had probs there last night too | 17:44 |
| Kilos | if you have the data tick check | 17:45 |
| Golynx | Last time it was 16mn | 17:45 |
| Golynx | 16mb* | 17:45 |
| nlsthzn | what was 16mb, updates? | 17:45 |
| Kilos | oh then it will be about same | 17:45 |
| Kilos | ya nlsthzn | 17:45 |
| Kilos | to get a new install updated | 17:45 |
| Kilos | then upgrades come later | 17:46 |
| nlsthzn | to refresh the package list you mean? | 17:46 |
| Kilos | yessir | 17:46 |
| nlsthzn | wow, never knew it had become so big?! | 17:46 |
| nlsthzn | uncapped makes you lazy... | 17:46 |
| nlsthzn | when I was in SA I never had net :/ | 17:47 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:47 |
| Kilos | eish linux is no good without the net | 17:47 |
| Kilos | hi Tonberry_ | 17:47 |
| nlsthzn | well, it is so much easier with it :) | 17:48 |
| Kilos | yeah | 17:48 |
| Tonberry_ | hello | 17:48 |
| Kilos | is it checking Golynx | 17:52 |
| Golynx | Ya Kilos | 17:53 |
| Kilos | should automatically show upgrades if there are | 17:53 |
| Kilos | and how much will be downloaded near the bottom | 17:53 |
| Golynx | Ya i see | 17:54 |
| Kilos | you have the choice to go ahead at least | 17:55 |
| Kilos | often when i saw how much i closed it till i had data | 17:55 |
| Golynx | hmm, so just close the terminal when i want ? | 17:56 |
| Kilos | no man | 17:57 |
| Kilos | wait till its finish | 17:57 |
| Kilos | then see how much data it wants to download | 17:57 |
| Golynx | oh | 17:57 |
| Kilos | then decide to go ahead or close | 17:57 |
| Kilos | other wise you will need to run updates again | 17:57 |
| Golynx | Ya i just want the package list updated and nautilus reinstalled , nothing else | 17:58 |
| Kilos | 845kB nautilus is | 18:00 |
| Golynx | Maybe its the kernel change that broke it | 18:00 |
| Golynx | was 3.5 on dvd now 3.2 | 18:00 |
| Golynx | good | 18:00 |
| Kilos | nautilus-data is 63.4 kB | 18:01 |
| Kilos | ya dont fiddle and change stuff | 18:01 |
| Kilos | whew | 18:01 |
| Golynx | Ya that was last week , had a hot head like the lappy | 18:03 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:03 |
| Golynx | :p | 18:05 |
| Golynx | Fetched 10,4 MB in 22min 4s (7 867 B/s) C | 18:09 |
| Golynx | Reading package lists... Done | 18:09 |
| Golynx | lol | 18:10 |
| Kilos | whew | 18:10 |
| Kilos | does it show upgrade packages? | 18:10 |
| Golynx | Where is that | 18:11 |
| Kilos | in the update manager window | 18:11 |
| Kilos | you have it open havent you? | 18:11 |
| Golynx | Yes | 18:12 |
| Kilos | you did tick check there? | 18:12 |
| Golynx | Nope | 18:12 |
| Kilos | thats what it just did | 18:12 |
| Kilos | eish | 18:12 |
| Kilos | you must listen man | 18:12 |
| Golynx | i updated from terminal | 18:13 |
| Golynx | It says the package information was just updated | 18:14 |
| Kilos | and i said what? | 18:14 |
| Kilos | didnt i say tick check while you were in update manager | 18:14 |
| Kilos | but anyway | 18:14 |
| Kilos | nor run sudo apt-get upgrade and see | 18:15 |
| Golynx | terminal had the same stuff | 18:15 |
| Golynx | ok | 18:15 |
| Kilos | ya but when someone is trying to help you sort a prob you follow what they say so they dont get lost with whats happening | 18:16 |
| Golynx | Reading package lists... Done | 18:16 |
| Golynx | Building dependency tree | 18:16 |
| Golynx | Reading state information... Done | 18:16 |
| Golynx | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 18:16 |
| Kilos | like doing check in update manager updates but immediately shows available packages | 18:17 |
| Kilos | oh my | 18:17 |
| Golynx | You didnt say anything after open download manager , i assumed i had to do it in the terminal | 18:17 |
| Kilos | then you must be up to date | 18:17 |
| Kilos | sudo aptitude reinstall synaptic | 18:17 |
| Golynx | ok | 18:17 |
| Golynx | Its working | 18:18 |
| Kilos | we gotta find why nautilus dont give reinstall option | 18:18 |
| Golynx | Need to get 2 405 kB of archives | 18:19 |
| Kilos | aha | 18:19 |
| Kilos | see it wasnt a complete install | 18:19 |
| Kilos | i think you gonna find lots of them | 18:19 |
| Golynx | oh really | 18:19 |
| Golynx | Lots of what | 18:20 |
| Kilos | if something dont work kiff reinstall and see | 18:20 |
| Kilos | lots of things that dont work to their best | 18:20 |
| Kilos | i dunno why remastersys did that though | 18:21 |
| Golynx | oh ok will have to see what gives such an issue | 18:21 |
| Kilos | i had it with the first time i tried it | 18:21 |
| Kilos | reinstalled everything in synaptic | 18:21 |
| Kilos | took a day to tick them all | 18:21 |
| Golynx | Most issues are minor though, but get bigger with time | 18:22 |
| Golynx | So its hard to spot at first | 18:22 |
| Kilos | but now i know where to look for probs | 18:22 |
| Golynx | wow | 18:22 |
| Kilos | my last remastersys dvd didnt give that prob | 18:23 |
| Kilos | oh | 18:23 |
| Kilos | made on different pc | 18:23 |
| Kilos | who knows | 18:23 |
| Golynx | Ya probably, some compression formats change minor things in programs | 18:24 |
| Kilos | but if anything dont work smooth reinstall it in synaptic and other packages that are in same line of packages | 18:24 |
| Golynx | Right synaptic reinstalled , i think | 18:26 |
| Golynx | nautilus still no reinstall option | 18:27 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:28 |
| Golynx | only nautilus-share and nautilus-sendto have that option | 18:28 |
| Kilos | something is wrong there | 18:29 |
| Golynx | hmm | 18:29 |
| Kilos | you unticked too many things last week | 18:30 |
| Kilos | remember i told you i have had an 80m upgrade since i sent the dvd | 18:30 |
| Golynx | I did'nt do that though, its only opera that i locked | 18:31 |
| Golynx | and gimp | 18:32 |
| Golynx | everything else i left as is | 18:32 |
| inetpro | Midnight Commander is a popular twin-panel file manager for the terminal | 18:35 |
| inetpro | sudo aptitude install mc | 18:35 |
| inetpro | using a text-user interface | 18:35 |
| Kilos | evening inetpro | 18:36 |
| inetpro | hello | 18:36 |
| charl | hi Kilos, inetpro | 18:36 |
| Golynx | inetpro i dont think that'll work for me, since i do drag drop cp alot | 18:36 |
| Golynx | hi charl | 18:36 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 18:37 |
| somaunn | bye bye guys | 18:37 |
| inetpro | there is also PCMan File Manager and many others | 18:37 |
| inetpro | aptitude show pcmanfm | 18:38 |
| Kilos | i dont understand why synaptic cant reinstall nautilus | 18:38 |
| inetpro | Kilos: hmm... you and your re-install tendencies | 18:39 |
| inetpro | not sure it is always necessary | 18:39 |
| Kilos | nope it was psu prob here | 18:39 |
| Kilos | since i put drives on external power no more probs | 18:40 |
| inetpro | btw, good evening everyone | 18:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:41 |
| inetpro | Kilos: please excuse me | 18:41 |
| * inetpro is very tired | 18:41 | |
| Kilos | ok | 18:41 |
| inetpro | waking up early taking it's toll | 18:42 |
| Kilos | get some rest | 18:42 |
| Kilos | old peeps cant take the pace in this modern world | 18:42 |
| inetpro | :-) | 18:42 |
| Kilos | hehehe | 18:43 |
| Golynx | Kilos what was the 2 files sizes | 18:43 |
| Kilos | scroll back | 18:44 |
| Kilos | hi Xethron | 18:44 |
| inetpro | has somaunn come right? | 18:44 |
| Kilos | ik dunno | 18:44 |
| Kilos | forgot what he asked | 18:44 |
| Kilos | oh | 18:44 |
| inetpro | with the shells | 18:45 |
| Golynx | oh lol | 18:45 |
| Kilos | something that works like something in windows | 18:45 |
| Kilos | oh that | 18:45 |
| Kilos | i dunno | 18:45 |
| Golynx | You sure its only those 2 nautilus got ? | 18:45 |
| Kilos | he will learn some from lpi manual he said | 18:45 |
| inetpro | ai! | 18:45 |
| Kilos | might be more | 18:45 |
| Kilos | wait lets try something else | 18:46 |
| inetpro | does it teach the basics? | 18:46 |
| Kilos | ya its lekker man | 18:46 |
| inetpro | ok | 18:46 |
| Kilos | up to page 100 i think it was | 18:46 |
| Kilos | then gets heavy | 18:46 |
| Kilos | Golynx, | 18:46 |
| Kilos | sudo aptitude purge synaptic | 18:46 |
| Golynx | Then what was those 2 files for :/ | 18:47 |
| Kilos | did you install them now? | 18:47 |
| Golynx | No | 18:47 |
| Kilos | did gdebi work? | 18:47 |
| Kilos | try that first then | 18:47 |
| Golynx | if there is more files needed by nautilus i'm not gona install | 18:48 |
| Kilos | man try one | 18:48 |
| Kilos | we trying to find the error here | 18:48 |
| Golynx | It says same version is already installed , and a reinstall button | 18:49 |
| Kilos | reinstall | 18:49 |
| Golynx | ok | 18:49 |
| Kilos | oh inetpro i dont know what you mean by basics | 18:51 |
| Kilos | i dont know how much somaun knows | 18:52 |
| Kilos | or how little | 18:52 |
| Golynx | it said installation complete : in status loader bar , | 18:52 |
| inetpro | something that explains shells in a bit more detail | 18:52 |
| Kilos | oh so you broke something in synaptic | 18:52 |
| Kilos | sudo aptitude purge synaptic | 18:52 |
| Kilos | close gdebi first | 18:53 |
| Golynx | ok | 18:53 |
| Kilos | done? | 18:53 |
| Golynx | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 18:54 |
| Golynx | synaptic{p} | 18:54 |
| Golynx | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 18:54 |
| Golynx | Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 7 779 kB will be freed. | 18:54 |
| Kilos | inetpro, ill help him tomorrow if i can with more basic stuff | 18:54 |
| Kilos | yes Golynx | 18:54 |
| Golynx | ok | 18:54 |
| inetpro | Kilos: np | 18:54 |
| Kilos | i thought he was clued up with linux | 18:55 |
| Golynx | (Reading database ... 316670 files and directories currently installed.) | 18:55 |
| Golynx | Removing synaptic ... | 18:55 |
| Golynx | Purging configuration files for synaptic ... | 18:55 |
| Golynx | dpkg: warning: while removing synaptic, directory '/var/lib/synaptic' not empty so not removed. | 18:55 |
| Golynx | Processing triggers for man-db ... | 18:55 |
| Golynx | Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... | 18:55 |
| Golynx | Processing triggers for bamfdaemon ... | 18:55 |
| Golynx | Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index... | 18:55 |
| Golynx | Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... | 18:55 |
| Golynx | Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... | 18:55 |
| Kilos | but to drop him into vim is heavy if he know nothing about linux | 18:56 |
| Kilos | lol Golynx you actually spamming here | 18:56 |
| Golynx | I dunno the error sorry | 18:56 |
| Kilos | try sudo apt-get remove synaptic | 18:57 |
| Golynx | ok | 18:57 |
| Golynx | Package synaptic is not installed, so not removed | 18:58 |
| Golynx | Should i delete the Synaptic folder in /var/lib/synaptic | 18:59 |
| Kilos | yes if you can | 18:59 |
| Golynx | Nope cannot | 19:00 |
| Kilos | ok now we need clever help | 19:00 |
| Golynx | hmm | 19:00 |
| Kilos | i at times do things as root but thats dangerous in your hands now still | 19:01 |
| Kilos | that might contain the conf files of sysnaptic | 19:02 |
| Kilos | inetpro, how do we delete that file please | 19:02 |
| Kilos | /var/lib/synaptic | 19:02 |
| inetpro | ai! you guys like breaking things? | 19:03 |
| Kilos | i dunno chroot | 19:03 |
| Kilos | i can chown it but that dangerous too | 19:03 |
| inetpro | chroot has absolutely nothing to do with it | 19:03 |
| Kilos | ok can we chown it then delete it | 19:03 |
| inetpro | no | 19:04 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 19:04 |
| Golynx | This is inside the preference file in that folder. Package: gimp | 19:04 |
| Golynx | Pin: version 2.6.12-1ubuntu1.3 | 19:04 |
| Golynx | Pin-Priority: 1001 | 19:04 |
| inetpro | if you have to delete it, and I don't know why, then you can do it with rm | 19:04 |
| Kilos | only gimp? | 19:04 |
| inetpro | man rm | 19:04 |
| Kilos | sudo aptitude remove gimp | 19:04 |
| Golynx | Yes only gimp | 19:05 |
| Golynx | ok | 19:05 |
| Kilos | when i wanted to rm the other day guys told me dont do that | 19:05 |
| inetpro | sudo rm -r /target/folder/owned/by/root | 19:05 |
| Golynx | Wait is it cause gimp is still locked from upgrades ? | 19:05 |
| Kilos | remove it | 19:06 |
| Kilos | or wont it | 19:06 |
| Kilos | here we go Golynx | 19:07 |
| Golynx | I think gimp is gone | 19:07 |
| Kilos | sudo rm -r /var/lib/synaptic | 19:07 |
| Golynx | its gone now, at the cost of gimp grrr | 19:08 |
| Kilos | no man | 19:09 |
| Golynx | Already removed gimp | 19:09 |
| inetpro | charl: Die Grüne Woche (Groen Week) open vanaand amptelik in die Duitse hoofstad | 19:09 |
| Kilos | sudo aptitude purge synaptic | 19:09 |
| Golynx | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. | 19:10 |
| Golynx | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 19:10 |
| Golynx | Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. | 19:10 |
| Kilos | that wasnt the gimp package | 19:10 |
| Kilos | sudo maptitude install synaptic | 19:11 |
| Kilos | ai! | 19:11 |
| Golynx | hmm | 19:11 |
| Kilos | sudo aptitude install synaptic | 19:11 |
| Kilos | we can get gimp back from the dvd again | 19:12 |
| Kilos | but it will also be like a minimal install | 19:12 |
| Kilos | i think | 19:12 |
| Golynx | it stopped at: Setting up synaptic (0.75.9ubuntu1) ... | 19:12 |
| Kilos | whew what have you done there | 19:13 |
| Kilos | it might take a while | 19:13 |
| Golynx | Nope it stopped totally | 19:14 |
| Kilos | if it hasnt finished by next week we install everything from scratch | 19:14 |
| Kilos | ok close that terminal | 19:14 |
| Kilos | ctrl+c | 19:14 |
| Kilos | should go back to prompt | 19:15 |
| Golynx | Was already at prompt | 19:15 |
| Kilos | ah ok | 19:15 |
| * inetpro falling asleep | 19:15 | |
| inetpro | good night | 19:15 |
| Kilos | lets try sudo apt-get install synaptic | 19:15 |
| Kilos | lekker slaap inetpro | 19:15 |
| Golynx | night inetpro | 19:15 |
| Golynx | ok | 19:16 |
| Kilos | if it was at the prompt it is installed | 19:16 |
| Golynx | synaptic is already the newest version. | 19:16 |
| Golynx | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 19:16 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:16 |
| Golynx | already installed ? | 19:16 |
| Kilos | ok open it and see if nautilus can reinstall | 19:17 |
| Kilos | when it goes back to prompt its finished installing | 19:17 |
| Golynx | ok ,but still no reinstall option with nautilus | 19:17 |
| Kilos | eish | 19:18 |
| Kilos | you musta unticked more stuff | 19:18 |
| Kilos | like when you couldnt update | 19:18 |
| Golynx | Cant be , i just installed some apps i wanted | 19:19 |
| Kilos | what do you see in /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 19:19 |
| Kilos | from where did you install them? | 19:20 |
| Golynx | only programs stuff i installed | 19:20 |
| Kilos | from the repos? | 19:21 |
| Kilos | or online stuff | 19:21 |
| Golynx | Synaptic , via the tick option and clicking Apply | 19:21 |
| Kilos | those are safe | 19:21 |
| Kilos | you gotta watch online stuff | 19:21 |
| Golynx | Ya , only ubuntu-tweak i installed from its website | 19:22 |
| Kilos | so whats in archives | 19:22 |
| Kilos | if you go to /var/cache/apt/ archives and right click properties on archives you should see the size of you downloads | 19:23 |
| Golynx | Apache2 , php, python, alot of graphics driver stuff, one mysql install i aborted | 19:23 |
| Kilos | ok | 19:23 |
| Kilos | make a folder on desktop | 19:24 |
| Kilos | name it precise | 19:24 |
| Golynx | ok | 19:24 |
| Kilos | you mustnt abort stuff while installing | 19:24 |
| Kilos | now | 19:24 |
| Kilos | sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ ~/Desktop/precise/ | 19:25 |
| Golynx | ok | 19:25 |
| Golynx | Done | 19:25 |
| Kilos | if you have a stick or external you can save them there | 19:26 |
| Golynx | oh is that the backup way for the packages | 19:27 |
| Kilos | how big is the precise folder | 19:27 |
| Golynx | 137Mb | 19:27 |
| Kilos | ok so at least thats saved | 19:27 |
| Kilos | you might need to rinstall to fix whatever is wrong | 19:27 |
| Golynx | ok | 19:28 |
| Kilos | i dont know why synaptic dont wanna work | 19:28 |
| Kilos | but with gdebi working that can help | 19:29 |
| Golynx | Its ok , i will ma work like this, its not that bad | 19:29 |
| Kilos | you should still be able to install with apt-get and aptitude | 19:29 |
| Kilos | try sudo aptitude reinstall gimp | 19:30 |
| Golynx | Atleast there are other ways | 19:30 |
| Kilos | yeah | 19:30 |
| Kilos | most things can be fixed but sometimes it is quicker to reinstall than try find the prob | 19:30 |
| Golynx | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) | 19:31 |
| Golynx | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 19:31 |
| Golynx | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) | 19:31 |
| Golynx | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 19:31 |
| Kilos | synaptic open? | 19:31 |
| Golynx | lol ai | 19:31 |
| Kilos | hha | 19:31 |
| Golynx | Dont wana reinstall | 19:32 |
| Kilos | its something you did when you went mad unticking and locking stuff | 19:33 |
| Golynx | lol, its installing now via synaptic | 19:34 |
| Kilos | gimp? | 19:34 |
| Golynx | i saw all other gimp files there had green ticks except the main gimp file | 19:35 |
| Kilos | ah | 19:35 |
| Golynx | That one had the lock on | 19:36 |
| Kilos | you should reinstall all the gimp ones that way | 19:36 |
| Kilos | and look here | 19:36 |
| Kilos | http://askubuntu.com/questions/276408/what-alternatives-to-nautilus-exist-which-are-more-responsive | 19:36 |
| Kilos | but use nothing thats not in synaptic | 19:36 |
| Golynx | ty i will try see if theres something better than nautilus | 19:37 |
| Kilos | ok then can i go sleep now? | 19:37 |
| Kilos | carry on tomorrow | 19:38 |
| Golynx | Yes you can :) | 19:38 |
| Kilos | ty | 19:38 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:38 |
| Golynx | No thanks , already wasted alot of data | 19:38 |
| Golynx | night night | 19:38 |
| psychicist | good night Kilos | 19:38 |
| psychicist | hi Golynx | 19:38 |
| Golynx | Hi psychicist | 19:39 |
| Golynx | night guys | 20:10 |
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