[04:13] morning superfly and others [04:14] hi Kilos [05:18] hi mazal [05:24] Môre oom [05:31] hi bduk [05:32] good morning Kilos [05:32] and hi to everyone else [05:32] good morning inetpro [05:33] Morning everyone [05:38] ai! [05:44] Morning inetpro [06:31] morning [06:40] hi there Squirm [07:12] good day all [07:12] ohi magespawn what broke [07:13] looks like a router, but i am not a 100% sure on that [07:13] eish whats it doing? or not doing [07:18] i go let sheep out [07:23] looks like the wan port is faulty, but the jury is still out on that one, have put a spare in and that seems to work fine [07:30] aha [07:31] maybe at times wired stuff is more reliable [07:53] when routers give probs are they fixable or does one discard and replace them? [07:53] wb magespawn [07:53] ty Kilos, network here is a bit strange [08:15] hi somaunn [08:15] Hi Kilos [08:16] what new here [08:17] not much, very quiet [08:17] everyone overworked and underpaid [08:17] did you have any luck yet [08:17] hi sakhi [08:18] Morning Kilo, ubuntu-za [08:19] *Kilos [08:19] hehe you dont tab complete [08:20] become such a habit here i often type morn tab and it dont show morning [08:21] hi charl [08:22] good morning [08:22] hi Kilos [08:22] Maaz: coffee on [08:22] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [08:23] hi Maaz, keep me some [08:24] :) funny enough I do it most of the time with longer nicknames. [08:26] Coffee's ready for charl! [08:27] Maaz: thanks [08:27] charl: Okay :-) [08:27] hi sakhi [08:27] hi somaunn [09:26] what new here [09:27] hi psyatw Xethron [09:27] no chnage somaunn [09:27] change [09:28] hi Kilos [09:28] hi somaunn [09:28] hi Xethron [09:32] speed up a bit today [09:32] Download Speed: 3403 kbps (425.4 KB/sec transfer rate) [09:32] Upload Speed: 1062 kbps (132.8 KB/sec transfer rate) [09:32] Latency: 73 ms [09:44] Kilos: i can see [09:44] hi psyatw [09:45] my telkom mobile is actually quite good [09:45] hey Kilos, is that your home internet speed ? [09:45] yip my 3g [09:46] when i download big files it runs around 500kB/s most of the time [09:48] wbb, just going to kde [09:59] Kilos: please tell me when we say 3403kbps but see on the DM 425.4kbps transfer is there something wrong ? [10:00] the 425.4kbps should be kB [10:01] kilobytes [10:01] small b is bits [10:04] Kilos: okay [10:04] please explain that to me because i'm sometime lost [10:04] ok [10:04] 8 bits make up one byte [10:05] some people give you speeds in mb/s and others in kB/s [10:06] if you only getting kb/s that is very slow [10:07] 3403/8 [10:07] ai! [10:07] Maaz: 3403/8 [10:07] Kilos: 425.375 [10:07] 3403 is mb/s [10:08] 425 is kB/s [10:08] reg ne inetpro ? [10:11] Kilos: ok [10:11] let me make it clear [10:11] what is megabyte and what is megabit [10:12] ? [10:12] megabit is a million bits [10:12] megabyte is 8 times that [10:13] 8 bits make up one byte [10:17] Kilos: bytes are less than bits [10:17] yes [10:17] so it's megabits/8 to get megabytes [10:17] no [10:17] bytes are 8 bits [10:18] 1 byte = 8 bits [10:18] yes [10:18] look where i got maaz to divide for me [10:18] Kilos, inetpro: you are going too fast please [10:19] ai! [10:19] i want to know what is amount of data and what is speed [10:19] speed related [10:20] ok 3403kb/s is kilobits per second [10:20] speed is measured in seconds [10:20] in bytes the exactly same thing is 425.375kB/s [10:21] ok, if we talk speed the we say [3megabit per second] [10:21] 3403 kb = 425.375 kB [10:22] when we talk data we say [425.375 kilobytes per second] [10:22] some do yes but if i use aptitude upgarde or install it shows me in kB/s [10:22] its the same thing [10:22] kb = kilobits [10:22] kB = kilobytes [10:22] thats how long it takes to download [10:23] mb = megabits [10:23] mB = megabytes [10:24] 3403 kb = 3.403 mb [10:24] no [10:24] yes [10:25] 1000 kb = 1 mb [10:25] oh ya sorry [10:25] hmm... [10:25] .3 isnt it [10:26] 3403 kb is 425 kB which is under half a meg [10:26] oh in bytes [10:27] whew [10:27] 425 kBps is not bad [10:28] inetpro, Kilos: you see all the confusion comes from my home language [10:28] anything above 128kBps is very workable [10:28] in french we usually say kilo or meg without any regard to which is data/speed related [10:29] 1000 bits=1byte [10:30] 1000 bytes =1 meg [10:30] hi Vince-0 [10:31] somaunn: they are all speed and amounts of data per second [10:32] the amount of data per second downloaded is the speed your net is working at [10:34] same as kilometers per hour is the distance travelled in an hour [10:38] haha hi Eames [10:44] Kilos, inetpro: Thank you so much for your help [10:44] yw [10:45] thats why we are here [10:45] just need a clever oke to check at times [10:45] ! [10:46] my bits and bytes knowledge is memories from 30 years ago [10:47] hi Golynx [10:47] Hey Kilos [10:49] Downloaded the driver, was about 93MB total, but only 46MB for each of the 2 that was on the list, but they were similar [10:50] It shows some weird graphics card in system details ATI Fire GL. When i look in terminal it shows the correct card [10:51] explain look in terminal please [10:51] There is a big lag in the browser, and the loading icon aswell turns slower than it used to [10:53] what browser you talking about? [10:53] opera [10:53] Well that info on that site said to type in fglrxinfo and it shows my card ATI radeon HD 3200 [10:53] Yes [10:54] that could be your internet sucking [10:54] Everything in the browser is now slow [10:54] sudo aptitude reinstall opera [10:54] nope , page scroll aswell got big lag and hurt my eyes [10:55] ok [10:55] maybe those graphics drivers have added something opera doesnt see [10:56] Plus the windows got shadows around them now, and more animated effects [10:56] lol [10:56] you should use kubuntu and turn off desktop effects [10:56] Why lol [10:56] i also hate all the animated stuff [10:57] but not everything can be turned off [10:57] hmm this sucks [10:57] modern peeps like the eye candy [10:58] In ubuntu tweak i can now turn off the dash opacity and some other minor effects , but now windows shadows or animation efects options [10:59] no* [10:59] ai! [11:01] Now when i browse nautilus , the fan starts spinning faster and faster [11:02] maybe when you got data install mate [11:03] thats very light [11:03] installs into ubuntu [11:05] And why did it only say 2D acceleration when i installed the driver, Yesterday it said 3D acceleration will be activated when installed [11:08] maybe there is a way to set it to 2d [11:10] Really its should not be that hard , just to put an "Disable animated effects" option in unity 2D [11:10] Even where i input text is lagged now [11:12] With mate i will have to install everything again [11:13] hi magespawn [11:20] Kilos i see compiz is using 20% of the cpu all the time. That should not be happening [11:23] thats mainly because of min ram i think [11:23] isnt there a way to make it use 2d [11:24] And 60% cpu when i scroll in opera or move a window [11:24] I dont know [11:26] wait lemme ask google [11:27] maaz google how to revert to 2d on 12.04 [11:27] Kilos: "After Ubuntu 12.04 LTS update, Only Unity 2D ... bug? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/262320/after-ubuntu-12-04-lts-update-only-unity-2d-bug :: "unity - Your Ubuntu 12.04 is running in 2D mode. Many features will ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/252018/your-ubuntu-12-04-is-running-in-2d-mode-many-features-will-not-be-available-ub :: "How to [11:27] change from Unity 2D to 3D? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/171853/how-to-ch… [11:27] ai! [11:27] Maaz: how to stop 3d on 12.04 [11:27] Kilos: *blink* [11:27] ai! [11:28] Maaz: google how to stop 3d on 12.04 [11:28] Kilos: "compiz - How do I disable visual effects in Ubuntu 12.04.1? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/186913/how-do-i-disable-visual-effects-in-ubuntu-12-04-1 :: "Howto disable 3d effects/compiz on 12.10? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/203075/howto-disable-3d-effects-compiz-on-12-10 :: "12.04 - Unity stopped working in 3D after software update [11:28] - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/304945/unity-stopped-working-in-3d-after-softw… [11:28] thats better [11:30] my pc got faster when i installed the correct graphics drivers [11:31] lemme try something [11:33] reboot [11:33] graphics install stuff to kernel [11:45] Right i managed to cure the lag issue, by rebooting and on login click on the ubuntu icon where it gives Ubuntu 3D and Ubuntu 2D options, so i picked 2D. No more lag and that pest "compiz" is dead [11:49] yay [11:50] well done [11:50] soon you can help me [11:50] lol , i dunno why they hide that option though [11:51] most young peeps dont want to change things [11:51] eye candy rules [11:51] Atleast my system seems to be running cool and calm now [11:51] thats good [11:52] lol, a student cannot help his teacher [11:52] should be faster with them drivers installed and running on 2d [11:52] oh yes [11:53] the student just needs to think more [11:53] haha ya sure :p [11:54] * Golynx can finally say UBUNTU ROCKS !!! :D [11:54] dont forget different pepps see things differently [11:54] ooo yay that made my day [11:55] Thanks for all the help Kilos , it was a success :) [11:55] often looking at stuff from a different viewpoints helps peeps find easier way and shortcuts [11:55] youre welcome laddy [11:56] Ya thats true , its the best way to do things [11:57] many hands make tight work [11:57] The rest is up to me now, so no more complaints from me hehe [11:57] unless globe is blown [11:57] lol [11:57] youre startup approach was wrong [11:58] How do you mean [11:58] one must forget what you did on wondows [11:58] oh [11:58] and start from scratch [11:58] Ya linux is different in many ways , but some base computer principles still apply [11:59] like if you get on an old motorbike [11:59] it doesnt help saying i cant find the str=arter button [11:59] there wasnt one [11:59] lol , thats a nice one [12:00] like the pro always says you must compair apples with apples nothing else [12:00] compare [12:01] now if you try another linux os then you can compair [12:01] ai! [12:01] compare [12:01] Thanks i will remember that [12:01] Your a wise one :) [12:02] na [12:02] my email addy sums me up [12:02] and the pro borrows it now and again [12:03] true , the years adds wisdom, so you can pass that on to the young ones, to continue the cycle [12:03] * mazal wonder wat oom Kilos gedrink het [12:03] hehe [12:03] net tee man [12:04] Ek sien die tikwerk werk nie so lekker vandag nie oom :) [12:04] kop klap ietwat [12:07] but im smiling. another happy ubuntu user, and billy boy loses out again [12:16] afternoon all, i see i have been a yoyo today [12:16] oh i found an option in kde where you can choose what your connection speed shows as [12:17] kb/s or kB/s [12:17] wb magespawn [12:22] Wb magespawn [12:24] Kilos: that's good [12:35] wish it was after 14.04 release date [12:35] thanks guys [12:35] wanna try kubuntu 14.04 [12:35] i have a complex question here [12:35] sjoe [12:36] on this machine i can get out on to the internet my ip address is 10.0.0.114 netmask 255.255.255.0 [12:37] on my lubuntu laptop i dead end in a router config page at 10.0.10.1 and my ip is 10.0.0.115 netmask 255.0.0.0 [12:38] my question is how is this possible? [12:39] i understand they are on two different subnets but as far as i have been told there is only one router here. [12:39] now obviously this is wrong [12:42] * magespawn goes on a router hunt [12:42] Bye everyone , enjoy your evening [12:48] magespawn: you can set your ips and stuff in nm [12:52] cant remember the iptables cli way [12:52] but why worry if it can go online anyway [13:00] but dont routers asign ips automatically [13:04] that is the thing Kilos [13:05] this one is win7 set dhcp the other is lubuntu also set to dhcp [13:05] ai! [13:05] ya then the router is asigning them but as long as they can both go online thats good aint it [13:08] or doesnt the lappy go online? [13:09] the netmask thing [13:27] the lubuntu one does not [13:28] unplugged and replugged the cable ane hey presto [13:28] now it is online [13:29] then you gotta go into the router and allow it isnt it [13:30] oh my [13:30] well theres a luck [13:30] no thinking needed [13:30] strange, and that is not good [13:31] didnt you chnage routers [13:31] change [13:31] they are stupi things and sometimes only work after rebooting [13:33] magespawn: if i get you well your Lubuntu box doesn't pick up dhcp address in auto and you have to unplug and plug again [13:53] Kilos: what is the best shell editor [13:53] i'm studying powershell as part of job to do [13:53] i like nano [13:53] but gedit is good [13:53] i dunno about shells, is that terminals? [13:54] but would like to know if there is something similar [13:54] like with bash? [13:54] i get lost with all these things [13:55] do you know something similar to powershel under linux [13:55] such involved questions you must ask inetpro or superfly [13:56] Maaz: google alternative to powershell for linux [13:56] Kilos: "Microsoft PowerShell 2: Going Beyond its UNIX/Linux Insprirations ..." http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/05/microsoft_powershell_2_going_b.html :: "Replacement for Powershell ? - Windows 7 Help Forums" http://www.sevenforums.com/software/161973-replacement-powershell.html :: "Windows PowerShell for UNIX shell addicted person - nixCraft" [13:56] http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/windows-powershell-for-unix-shell-addicted-person.html :: "windows - t… [13:56] look at the last one i think [13:58] i go fetch sheep quick [13:58] I gave up on Gedit, it did'nt indent my code as i wanted. So i chose Geany instead. Its a nice light little ide [13:59] have fun Kilos [14:00] somaunn: shell editor or command line editor? [14:01] later all [14:02] vi or actually vim is the most popular editor by far [14:02] vi is just a shortcut to vim [14:03] on any modern linux distro at least [14:03] inetpro: something similar to powershell [14:03] somaunn: what is powershell? [14:04] Windows PowerShell is Microsoft's task automation and configuration management framework, consisting of a command-line shell and associated scripting language built on .NET Framework. [14:04] somaunn: you mean that ^^ ? [14:04] yes [14:05] that has very little to do with an editor [14:06] and that powershell thingy on windows doesn't come close to what we have on Linux [14:06] PowerShell is Microsoft's very late answer to what the UNIX world has had for more than 30 years [14:07] thank you superfly [14:07] inetpro: thanks [14:08] what do we have on linux [14:08] then [14:09] Bourne shell [14:09] C shell [14:09] Bourne-Again shell [14:09] Debian Almquist shell [14:09] Korn shell [14:09] Z shell [14:09] and many more [14:10] even python [14:11] and some people even prefer to stick with just tee-cee-shell [14:11] tcsh [14:14] the C shell is like a C programming environment on steroids [14:15] inetpro: okay, as far as i know i can access bash from terminal [14:15] but i would like to have a dedicated interface to interract with bash [14:15] as far as I'm aware bash is probably the most widely used [14:16] what do you mean with dedicated interface? [14:17] on Kubuntu konsole is my dedicated interface that is always open on my screen [14:20] inetpro: like this http://goo.gl/x495by [14:20] sjoe [14:21] Maaz: LPI manual [14:21] http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf [14:21] rephrase: on Kubuntu, konsole is my dedicated interface and is always in use 99.9% of the time [14:22] only shells i like have oysters and mussels in them [14:29] lol [14:31] somaunn: are you using Ubuntu? [14:31] somaunn: get the manual in the above link. you can learn lots about everything there [14:31] and what version? [14:31] you too Golynx [14:32] somaunn: if you ask me this evening I might have more time to answer [14:32] obviously others are welcome to chip in at any time [14:34] even Kilos knows how to open and close the command line interface [14:34] Why use that Kilos. I google anytime i get stuck with something , all in one file is not my style [14:35] Golynx: is you can learn to do everything in that maunual you can go write the LPI exam [14:35] its the study manual for linux professionals [14:36] or peeps that wanna be pros [14:36] I'm a web developer though [14:36] i only understand the first 2 pages [14:37] when you doing nothing you can study [14:37] never stop learning [14:37] ok cool , will look at it as soon as i can download pdf's [14:38] huh? [14:38] you mean data wise? [14:38] you dont need to install anything else. ubuntu can read pdfs [14:39] Nope , opera gives blank screen [14:39] oh my i had that did something in settings [14:40] or use firefox [14:40] it should be installed ther [14:40] ethere [14:40] ai! [14:40] type firefox in dash [14:40] Maaz: cool [14:40] That is good to know [14:41] inetpro: not i'm using Fedora and redhat [14:42] ah then Squirm is the goto guy for probs with redhat stuffs [14:42] Bug in opera , cant untick hide filetype extensions [14:43] What is that terminal download manager ? [14:43] Golynx: leave opera jump the firefox [14:43] somaunn: hmm... nothing wrong with that, question that needs to be answered is, what desktop environment you use [14:43] is it Gnome or KDE? [14:43] or something else [14:43] somaunn firefox are too intense on my system [14:44] inetpro: Gnome 3.10 (gnome-shell) [14:44] somaunn: in that case gnome-shell is your dedicated environment to interact with bash [14:44] Golynx: yeah i realized the same but as i don't like chromium at all so i have to keep stayin on firefox [14:45] cuz i use downthemall to DL my files [14:45] inetpro: oooooooooookaaaaayyyyyyyyyy [14:45] :-) [14:47] Golynx: lynx links elinks [14:47] Golynx: look epiphany [14:47] oh Golynx [14:47] install [14:47] um [14:48] midori [14:48] the bash (Bourne-Again SHell) manual is available at: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/ [14:48] oh ya epiphany [14:49] epiphany close to firefox but much lighter [14:49] somaunn thats nice [14:49] ok Kilos [14:49] Golynx: have you tried it? [14:50] Busy loading uget though [14:50]