[04:13] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[04:14] <superfly> hi Kilos 
[05:18] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[05:24] <mazal> Môre oom
[05:31] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[05:32] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[05:32] <inetpro> and hi to everyone else
[05:32] <Kilos> good morning inetpro 
[05:33] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:38] <Kilos> ai!
[05:44] <mazal> Morning inetpro 
[06:31] <Squirm> morning
[06:40] <Kilos> hi there Squirm 
[07:12] <magespawn> good day all
[07:12] <Kilos> ohi magespawn what broke
[07:13] <magespawn> looks like a router, but i am not a 100% sure on that
[07:13] <Kilos> eish whats it doing? or not doing
[07:18] <Kilos> i go let sheep out
[07:23] <magespawn> looks like the wan port is faulty, but the jury is still out on that one, have put a spare in and that seems to work fine
[07:30] <Kilos> aha
[07:31] <Kilos> maybe at times wired stuff is more reliable
[07:53] <Kilos> when routers give probs are they fixable or does one discard and replace them?
[07:53] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[07:53] <magespawn> ty Kilos, network here is a bit strange
[08:15] <Kilos> hi somaunn 
[08:15] <somaunn> Hi Kilos
[08:16] <somaunn> what new here
[08:17] <Kilos> not much, very quiet
[08:17] <Kilos> everyone overworked and underpaid
[08:17] <Kilos> did you have any luck yet
[08:17] <Kilos> hi sakhi 
[08:18] <sakhi> Morning Kilo, ubuntu-za
[08:19] <sakhi> *Kilos
[08:19] <Kilos> hehe you dont tab complete
[08:20] <Kilos> become such a habit here i often type morn tab and it dont show morning
[08:21] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:22] <charl> good morning
[08:22] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:22] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:22]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:23] <somaunn> hi Maaz, keep me some 
[08:24] <sakhi> :) funny enough I do it most of the time with longer nicknames.
[08:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:27] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:27] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[08:27] <charl> hi sakhi 
[08:27] <charl> hi somaunn 
[09:26] <somaunn> what new here
[09:27] <Kilos> hi psyatw Xethron 
[09:27] <Kilos> no chnage somaunn 
[09:27] <Kilos> change
[09:28] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:28] <psyatw> hi somaunn
[09:28] <psyatw> hi Xethron
[09:32] <Kilos> speed up a bit today
[09:32] <Kilos> Download Speed: 3403 kbps (425.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
[09:32] <Kilos> Upload Speed: 1062 kbps (132.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
[09:32] <Kilos> Latency: 73 ms
[09:44] <somaunn> Kilos: i can see
[09:44] <somaunn> hi psyatw
[09:45] <Kilos> my telkom mobile is actually quite good
[09:45] <somaunn> hey Kilos, is that your home internet speed ?
[09:45] <Kilos> yip my 3g
[09:46] <Kilos> when i download big files it runs around 500kB/s most of the time
[09:48] <Kilos> wbb, just going to kde
[09:59] <somaunn> Kilos: please tell me when we say 3403kbps but see on the DM 425.4kbps transfer is there something wrong ?
[10:00] <Kilos> the 425.4kbps should be kB
[10:01] <Kilos> kilobytes
[10:01] <Kilos> small b is bits
[10:04] <somaunn> Kilos: okay
[10:04] <somaunn> please explain that to me because i'm sometime lost
[10:04] <Kilos> ok
[10:04] <Kilos> 8 bits make up one byte
[10:05] <Kilos> some people give you speeds in mb/s and others in kB/s
[10:06] <Kilos> if you only getting kb/s that is very slow
[10:07] <Kilos> 3403/8
[10:07] <Kilos> ai!
[10:07] <Kilos> Maaz: 3403/8
[10:07] <Maaz> Kilos: 425.375
[10:07] <Kilos> 3403 is mb/s
[10:08] <Kilos> 425 is kB/s
[10:08] <Kilos> reg ne inetpro ?
[10:11] <somaunn> Kilos: ok
[10:11] <somaunn> let me make it clear
[10:11] <somaunn> what is megabyte and what is megabit
[10:12] <somaunn> ?
[10:12] <Kilos> megabit is a million bits
[10:12] <Kilos> megabyte is 8 times that
[10:13] <Kilos> 8 bits make up one byte
[10:17] <inetpro> Kilos: bytes are less than bits
[10:17] <Kilos> yes
[10:17] <inetpro> so it's megabits/8 to get megabytes
[10:17] <Kilos> no
[10:17] <Kilos> bytes are 8 bits
[10:18] <inetpro> 1 byte = 8 bits
[10:18] <Kilos> yes
[10:18] <Kilos> look where i got maaz to divide for me
[10:18] <somaunn> Kilos, inetpro: you are going too fast please
[10:19] <inetpro> ai!
[10:19] <somaunn> i want to know what is amount of data and what is speed 
[10:19] <somaunn> speed related
[10:20] <Kilos> ok 3403kb/s is kilobits per second
[10:20] <inetpro> speed is measured in seconds
[10:20] <Kilos> in bytes the exactly same thing is 425.375kB/s
[10:21] <somaunn> ok, if we talk speed the we say [3megabit per second]
[10:21] <inetpro> 3403 kb = 425.375 kB
[10:22] <somaunn> when we talk data we say [425.375 kilobytes per second]
[10:22] <Kilos> some do yes but if i use aptitude upgarde or install it shows me in kB/s
[10:22] <Kilos> its the same thing
[10:22] <inetpro> kb = kilobits
[10:22] <inetpro> kB = kilobytes
[10:22] <Kilos> thats how long it takes to download
[10:23] <inetpro> mb = megabits
[10:23] <inetpro> mB = megabytes
[10:24] <inetpro> 3403 kb = 3.403 mb
[10:24] <Kilos> no
[10:24] <inetpro> yes
[10:25] <inetpro> 1000 kb = 1 mb
[10:25] <Kilos> oh ya sorry
[10:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:25] <Kilos> .3 isnt it
[10:26] <Kilos> 3403 kb is 425 kB which is under half a meg
[10:26] <Kilos> oh in bytes
[10:27] <Kilos> whew
[10:27] <inetpro> 425 kBps is not bad
[10:28] <somaunn> inetpro, Kilos: you see all the confusion comes from my home language
[10:28] <inetpro> anything above 128kBps is very workable
[10:28] <somaunn> in french we usually say kilo or meg without any regard to which is data/speed related
[10:29] <Kilos> 1000 bits=1byte
[10:30] <Kilos> 1000 bytes =1 meg
[10:30] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[10:31] <Kilos> somaunn: they are all speed and amounts of data per second
[10:32] <Kilos> the amount of data per second downloaded is the speed your net is working at
[10:34] <Kilos> same as kilometers per hour is the distance travelled in an hour
[10:38] <Kilos> haha hi Eames 
[10:44] <somaunn> Kilos, inetpro: Thank you so much for your help
[10:44] <Kilos> yw
[10:45] <Kilos> thats why we are here
[10:45] <Kilos> just need a clever oke to check at times
[10:45] <Vince-0> !
[10:46] <Kilos> my bits and bytes knowledge is memories from 30 years ago
[10:47] <Kilos> hi Golynx 
[10:47] <Golynx> Hey Kilos
[10:49] <Golynx> Downloaded the driver, was about 93MB total, but only 46MB for each of the 2 that was on the list, but they were similar 
[10:50] <Golynx> It shows some weird graphics card in system details ATI Fire GL. When i look in terminal it shows the correct card
[10:51] <Kilos> explain look in terminal please
[10:51] <Golynx> There is a big lag in the browser, and the loading icon aswell turns slower than it used to
[10:53] <Kilos> what browser you talking about?
[10:53] <Kilos> opera
[10:53] <Golynx> Well that info on that site said to type in fglrxinfo and it shows my card ATI radeon HD 3200
[10:53] <Golynx> Yes
[10:54] <Kilos> that could be your internet sucking
[10:54] <Golynx> Everything in the browser is now slow
[10:54] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall opera
[10:54] <Golynx> nope , page scroll aswell got big lag and hurt my eyes
[10:55] <Golynx> ok
[10:55] <Kilos> maybe those graphics drivers have added something opera doesnt see
[10:56] <Golynx> Plus the windows got shadows around them now, and more animated effects
[10:56] <Kilos> lol
[10:56] <Kilos> you should use kubuntu and turn off desktop effects
[10:56] <Golynx> Why lol 
[10:56] <Kilos> i also hate all the animated stuff
[10:57] <Kilos> but not everything can be turned off
[10:57] <Golynx> hmm this sucks
[10:57] <Kilos> modern peeps like the eye candy
[10:58] <Golynx> In ubuntu tweak i can now turn off the dash opacity and some other minor effects , but now windows shadows or animation efects options
[10:59] <Golynx> no*
[10:59] <Kilos> ai!
[11:01] <Golynx> Now when i browse nautilus , the fan starts spinning faster and faster
[11:02] <Kilos> maybe when you got data install mate
[11:03] <Kilos> thats very light
[11:03] <Kilos> installs into ubuntu
[11:05] <Golynx> And why did it only say 2D acceleration when i installed the driver, Yesterday it said 3D acceleration will be activated when installed
[11:08] <Kilos> maybe there is a way to set it to 2d
[11:10] <Golynx> Really its should not be that hard , just to put an "Disable animated effects" option in unity 2D
[11:10] <Golynx> Even where i input text is lagged now
[11:12] <Golynx> With mate i will have to install everything again
[11:13] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[11:20] <Golynx> Kilos i see compiz is using 20% of the cpu all the time. That should not be happening
[11:23] <Kilos> thats mainly because of min ram i think
[11:23] <Kilos> isnt there a way to make it use 2d
[11:24] <Golynx> And 60% cpu when i scroll in opera or move a window
[11:24] <Golynx> I dont know
[11:26] <Kilos> wait lemme ask google
[11:27] <Kilos> maaz google how to revert to 2d on 12.04
[11:27] <Maaz> Kilos: "After Ubuntu 12.04 LTS update, Only Unity 2D ... bug? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/262320/after-ubuntu-12-04-lts-update-only-unity-2d-bug :: "unity - Your Ubuntu 12.04 is running in 2D mode. Many features will ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/252018/your-ubuntu-12-04-is-running-in-2d-mode-many-features-will-not-be-available-ub :: "How to
[11:27] <Maaz> change from Unity 2D to 3D? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/171853/how-to-ch…
[11:27] <Kilos> ai!
[11:27] <Kilos> Maaz: how to stop 3d on 12.04
[11:27] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[11:27] <Kilos> ai!
[11:28] <Kilos> Maaz: google how to stop 3d on 12.04
[11:28] <Maaz> Kilos: "compiz - How do I disable visual effects in Ubuntu 12.04.1? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/186913/how-do-i-disable-visual-effects-in-ubuntu-12-04-1 :: "Howto disable 3d effects/compiz on 12.10? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/203075/howto-disable-3d-effects-compiz-on-12-10 :: "12.04 - Unity stopped working in 3D after software update
[11:28] <Maaz> - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/304945/unity-stopped-working-in-3d-after-softw…
[11:28] <Kilos> thats better
[11:30] <Kilos> my pc got faster when i installed the correct graphics drivers
[11:31] <Golynx> lemme try something
[11:33] <Kilos> reboot
[11:33] <Kilos> graphics install stuff to kernel
[11:45] <Golynx> Right i managed to cure the lag issue, by rebooting and on login click on the ubuntu icon where it gives Ubuntu 3D and Ubuntu 2D options, so i picked 2D. No more lag and that pest "compiz" is dead
[11:49] <Kilos> yay
[11:50] <Kilos> well done
[11:50] <Kilos> soon you can help me
[11:50] <Golynx> lol , i dunno why they hide that option though
[11:51] <Kilos> most young peeps dont want to change things
[11:51] <Kilos> eye candy rules
[11:51] <Golynx> Atleast my system seems to be running cool and calm now
[11:51] <Kilos> thats good
[11:52] <Golynx> lol, a student cannot help his teacher 
[11:52] <Kilos> should be faster with them drivers installed and running on 2d
[11:52] <Kilos> oh yes
[11:53] <Kilos> the student just needs to think more
[11:53] <Golynx> haha ya sure :p
[11:54]  * Golynx can finally say UBUNTU ROCKS !!! :D
[11:54] <Kilos> dont forget different pepps see things differently
[11:54] <Kilos> ooo yay that made my day
[11:55] <Golynx> Thanks for all the help Kilos , it was a success :)
[11:55] <Kilos> often looking at stuff from a different viewpoints helps peeps find easier way and shortcuts
[11:55] <Kilos> youre welcome laddy
[11:56] <Golynx> Ya thats true , its the best way to do things
[11:57] <Kilos> many hands make tight work
[11:57] <Golynx> The rest is up to me now, so no more complaints from me hehe
[11:57] <Kilos> unless globe is blown
[11:57] <Kilos> lol
[11:57] <Kilos> youre startup approach was wrong
[11:58] <Golynx> How do you mean
[11:58] <Kilos> one must forget what you did on wondows
[11:58] <Golynx> oh
[11:58] <Kilos> and start from scratch
[11:58] <Golynx> Ya linux is different in many ways , but some base computer principles still apply
[11:59] <Kilos> like if you get on an old motorbike
[11:59] <Kilos> it doesnt help saying i cant find the str=arter button
[11:59] <Kilos> there wasnt one
[11:59] <Golynx> lol , thats a nice one 
[12:00] <Kilos> like the pro always says you must compair apples with apples nothing else
[12:00] <Kilos> compare
[12:01] <Kilos> now if you try another linux os then you can compair
[12:01] <Kilos> ai!
[12:01] <Kilos> compare
[12:01] <Golynx> Thanks i will remember that
[12:01] <Golynx> Your a wise one :)
[12:02] <Kilos> na
[12:02] <Kilos> my email addy sums me up
[12:02] <Kilos> and the pro borrows it now and again
[12:03] <Golynx> true , the years adds wisdom, so you can pass that on to the young ones, to continue the cycle
[12:03]  * mazal wonder wat oom Kilos gedrink het
[12:03] <Kilos> hehe
[12:03] <Kilos> net tee man
[12:04] <mazal> Ek sien die tikwerk werk nie so lekker vandag nie oom :)
[12:04] <Kilos> kop klap ietwat
[12:07] <Kilos> but im smiling. another happy ubuntu user, and billy boy loses out again
[12:16] <magespawn> afternoon all, i see i have been a yoyo today
[12:16] <Kilos> oh i found an option in kde where you can choose what your connection speed shows as
[12:17] <Kilos> kb/s or kB/s
[12:17] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[12:22] <Golynx> Wb magespawn
[12:24] <somaunn> Kilos: that's good
[12:35] <Kilos> wish it was after 14.04 release date
[12:35] <magespawn> thanks guys
[12:35] <Kilos> wanna try kubuntu 14.04
[12:35] <magespawn> i have a complex question here
[12:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:36] <magespawn> on this machine i can get out on to the internet my ip address is 10.0.0.114 netmask 255.255.255.0 
[12:37] <magespawn> on my lubuntu laptop i dead end in a router config page at 10.0.10.1 and my ip is 10.0.0.115 netmask 255.0.0.0
[12:38] <magespawn> my question is how is this possible?
[12:39] <magespawn> i understand they are on two different subnets but as far as i have been told there is only one router here.
[12:39] <magespawn> now obviously this is wrong
[12:42]  * magespawn goes on a router hunt
[12:42] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[12:48] <Kilos> magespawn: you can set your ips and stuff in nm
[12:52] <Kilos> cant remember the iptables cli way
[12:52] <Kilos> but why worry if it can go online anyway
[13:00] <Kilos> but dont routers asign ips automatically
[13:04] <magespawn> that is the thing Kilos 
[13:05] <magespawn> this one is win7 set dhcp the other is lubuntu also set to dhcp
[13:05] <Kilos> ai!
[13:05] <Kilos> ya then the router is asigning them but as long as they can both go online thats good aint it
[13:08] <Kilos> or doesnt the lappy go online?
[13:09] <Kilos> the netmask thing
[13:27] <magespawn> the lubuntu one does not
[13:28] <magespawn> unplugged and replugged the cable ane hey presto
[13:28] <magespawn> now it is online
[13:29] <Kilos> then you gotta go into the router and allow it isnt it
[13:30] <Kilos> oh my
[13:30] <Kilos> well theres a luck
[13:30] <Kilos> no thinking needed
[13:30] <magespawn> strange, and that is not good
[13:31] <Kilos> didnt you chnage routers
[13:31] <Kilos> change
[13:31] <Kilos> they are stupi things and sometimes only work after rebooting
[13:33] <somaunn> magespawn: if i get you well your Lubuntu box doesn't pick up dhcp address in auto and you have to unplug and plug again
[13:53] <somaunn> Kilos: what is the best shell editor
[13:53] <somaunn> i'm studying powershell as part of job to do
[13:53] <Kilos> i like nano
[13:53] <Kilos> but gedit is good
[13:53] <Kilos> i dunno about shells, is that terminals?
[13:54] <somaunn> but would like to know if there is something similar
[13:54] <Kilos> like with bash?
[13:54] <Kilos> i get lost with all these things
[13:55] <somaunn> do you know something similar to powershel under linux
[13:55] <Kilos> such involved questions you must ask inetpro or superfly 
[13:56] <Kilos> Maaz: google alternative to powershell for linux
[13:56] <Maaz> Kilos: "Microsoft PowerShell 2: Going Beyond its UNIX/Linux Insprirations ..." http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/05/microsoft_powershell_2_going_b.html :: "Replacement for Powershell ? - Windows 7 Help Forums" http://www.sevenforums.com/software/161973-replacement-powershell.html :: "Windows PowerShell for UNIX shell addicted person - nixCraft"
[13:56] <Maaz> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/windows-powershell-for-unix-shell-addicted-person.html :: "windows - t…
[13:56] <Kilos> look at the last one i think
[13:58] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep quick
[13:58] <Golynx> I gave up on Gedit, it did'nt indent my code as i wanted. So i chose Geany instead. Its a nice light little ide
[13:59] <Golynx> have fun Kilos
[14:00] <inetpro> somaunn: shell editor or command line editor?
[14:01] <magespawn> later all
[14:02] <inetpro> vi or actually vim is the most popular editor by far
[14:02] <inetpro> vi is just a shortcut to vim
[14:03] <inetpro> on any modern linux distro at least
[14:03] <somaunn> inetpro: something similar to powershell
[14:03] <inetpro> somaunn: what is powershell?
[14:04] <inetpro> Windows PowerShell is Microsoft's task automation and configuration management framework, consisting of a command-line shell and associated scripting language built on .NET Framework.
[14:04] <inetpro> somaunn: you mean that ^^ ?
[14:04] <somaunn> yes 
[14:05] <inetpro> that has very little to do with an editor
[14:06] <inetpro> and that powershell thingy on windows doesn't come close to what we have on Linux
[14:06] <superfly> PowerShell is Microsoft's very late answer to what the UNIX world has had for more than 30 years
[14:07] <inetpro> thank you superfly
[14:07] <somaunn> inetpro: thanks 
[14:08] <somaunn> what do we have on linux
[14:08] <somaunn> then
[14:09] <inetpro> Bourne shell
[14:09] <inetpro> C shell
[14:09] <inetpro> Bourne-Again shell 
[14:09] <inetpro> Debian Almquist shell 
[14:09] <inetpro> Korn shell 
[14:09] <inetpro> Z shell 
[14:09] <inetpro> and many more
[14:10] <inetpro> even python 
[14:11] <inetpro> and some people even prefer to stick with just tee-cee-shell
[14:11] <inetpro> tcsh
[14:14] <inetpro> the C shell is like a C programming environment on steroids
[14:15] <somaunn> inetpro: okay, as far as i know i can access bash from terminal
[14:15] <somaunn> but i would like to have a dedicated interface to interract with bash
[14:15] <inetpro> as far as I'm aware bash is probably the most widely used
[14:16] <inetpro> what do you mean with dedicated interface?
[14:17] <inetpro> on Kubuntu konsole is my dedicated interface that is always open on my screen
[14:20] <somaunn> inetpro: like this http://goo.gl/x495by
[14:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:21] <Kilos> Maaz: LPI manual
[14:21] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[14:21] <inetpro> rephrase: on Kubuntu, konsole is my dedicated interface and is always in use 99.9% of the time
[14:22] <Kilos> only shells i like have oysters and mussels in them
[14:29] <Golynx> lol
[14:31] <inetpro> somaunn: are you using Ubuntu?
[14:31] <Kilos> somaunn: get the manual in the above link. you can learn lots about everything there
[14:31] <inetpro> and what version?
[14:31] <Kilos> you too Golynx 
[14:32] <inetpro> somaunn: if you ask me this evening I might have more time to answer
[14:32] <inetpro> obviously others are welcome to chip in at any time
[14:34] <inetpro> even Kilos knows how to open and close the command line interface
[14:34] <Golynx> Why use that Kilos. I google anytime i get stuck with something , all in one file is not my style
[14:35] <Kilos> Golynx: is you can learn to do everything in that maunual you can go write the LPI exam
[14:35] <Kilos> its the study manual for linux professionals 
[14:36] <Kilos> or peeps that wanna be pros
[14:36] <Golynx> I'm a web developer though
[14:36] <Kilos> i only understand the first 2 pages
[14:37] <Kilos> when you doing nothing you can study
[14:37] <Kilos> never stop learning
[14:37] <Golynx> ok cool , will look at it as soon as i can download pdf's
[14:38] <Kilos> huh?
[14:38] <Kilos> you mean data wise?
[14:38] <Kilos> you dont need to install anything else. ubuntu can read pdfs
[14:39] <Golynx> Nope , opera gives blank screen
[14:39] <Kilos> oh my i had that did something in settings
[14:40] <Kilos> or use firefox
[14:40] <Kilos> it should be installed ther
[14:40] <Kilos> ethere
[14:40] <Kilos> ai!
[14:40] <Kilos> type firefox in dash
[14:40] <somaunn> Maaz: cool
[14:40] <Maaz> That is good to know
[14:41] <somaunn> inetpro: not i'm using Fedora and redhat
[14:42] <Kilos> ah then Squirm is the goto guy for probs with redhat stuffs
[14:42] <Golynx> Bug in opera , cant untick hide filetype extensions
[14:43] <Golynx> What is that terminal download manager ?
[14:43] <somaunn> Golynx: leave opera jump the firefox
[14:43] <inetpro> somaunn: hmm... nothing wrong with that, question that needs to be answered is, what desktop environment you use
[14:43] <inetpro> is it Gnome or KDE?
[14:43] <inetpro> or something else
[14:43] <Golynx> somaunn firefox are too intense on my system
[14:44] <somaunn> inetpro: Gnome 3.10 (gnome-shell)
[14:44] <inetpro> somaunn: in that case gnome-shell is your dedicated environment to interact with bash
[14:44] <somaunn> Golynx: yeah i realized the same but as i don't like chromium at all so i have to keep stayin on firefox
[14:45] <somaunn> cuz i use downthemall to DL my files 
[14:45] <somaunn> inetpro: oooooooooookaaaaayyyyyyyyyy
[14:45] <inetpro> :-)
[14:47] <Kilos> Golynx: lynx links elinks
[14:47] <somaunn> Golynx: look epiphany
[14:47] <Kilos> oh Golynx 
[14:47] <Kilos> install
[14:47] <Kilos> um
[14:48] <Kilos> midori
[14:48] <inetpro> the bash (Bourne-Again SHell) manual is available at: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/
[14:48] <Kilos> oh ya epiphany
[14:49] <Kilos> epiphany close to firefox but much lighter
[14:49] <Golynx> somaunn thats nice
[14:49] <Golynx> ok Kilos
[14:49] <somaunn> Golynx: have you tried it?
[14:50] <Golynx> Busy loading uget though
[14:50] <Kilos> opera must work man it works well
[14:50] <Kilos> enable popups
[14:50] <Kilos> you get a popup to save that book somewhere
[14:50] <Golynx> All other file types works Kilos
[14:50] <Golynx> Nope somaunn
[14:51] <somaunn> Kilos: i've epiphany installed but never tried it you see, i just gave it a chance when Golynx said opera can't load the page and foudn it really fast
[14:51] <Kilos> man you have disabled something again
[14:51] <Kilos> opera works here
[14:51] <Kilos> yeah epiphany rocks
[14:52]  * Squirm pops in
[14:52] <Kilos> maybe you can also wget that book
[14:52] <Kilos> try wget http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[14:52] <Golynx> Its the "hide filetype extensions" that dont wana stay unticked
[14:53] <Golynx> ok 
[14:53] <Golynx> yeah thats what i wanted
[14:53] <Golynx> ty Kilos
[14:53] <Kilos> np
[14:55] <Kilos> and if your net cuts halfway you use wget -c "link" to get the rest
[14:55] <Golynx> Aah yes now i remember :)
[14:56] <Kilos> write it down or make a file with commands in
[14:56] <Golynx> Its already in 
[14:57] <Kilos> good
[14:58] <Golynx> I saved the same command days ago, i forgot about the file lol
[14:59] <Kilos> lol
[14:59] <Kilos> just now ill be lending you my email addy too
[14:59] <Golynx> My lappies hardware feels like win7 again , love it !
[15:02] <Golynx> oh
[15:04] <Kilos> yeah somaunn its much lighter than firefox
[15:04] <somaunn> Kilos: did you try it
[15:04] <Kilos> i have it installed but mainly use opera
[15:05] <somaunn> Kilos: i'm actually doing a download test with a pdf file i've found online and it's quite fast
[15:06] <Kilos> cool
[15:07] <Kilos> download that LPI manual. it teaches you lots 
[15:07] <Kilos> also rehdat sysadmin stuff and all
[15:07] <Kilos> redhat
[15:09] <Kilos> nuvolari: gaan huistoe
[15:15] <Golynx> Got the pdf download working in opera Kilos. Edited the application/pdf that opera hides by default , to "Save on Disk"
[15:16] <Kilos> good
[15:16] <Kilos> i save those downloads to desktop the put them in relevant files
[15:17] <somaunn> Kilos: i've done with the lpi file will read it carefully
[15:17] <Golynx> I just choose the location from popup
[15:18] <Kilos> cool somaunn tons of valuable knowledge in it
[15:28] <nlsthzn> o/
[15:28] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn hows ya
[15:29] <Kilos> you okes work too hard. i dont get resting time here
[15:29] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos... back from work which I am very thankful for having but still don't like :p
[15:29] <Kilos> hehe
[15:45] <charl> ok new phone is working
[15:45] <charl> this whole lync business is quite interesting
[15:45] <charl> i want to actually try the skype federation next
[16:04] <charl> have a good evening all
[16:05] <somaunn> thank you charl
[16:09]  * Kilos going to unity. wbb
[16:33] <Golynx> Wb Kilos
[16:33] <Kilos> ty
[16:33] <Kilos> stupid modem didnt wanna work
[16:34] <Golynx> Aah
[16:34] <Golynx> Is there a lighter file explorer in ubuntu, other than nautilus
[16:35] <Kilos> i dunno. nautilus works well man
[16:35] <Kilos> if its battling a bit do sudo aptitude reinstall nautilus
[16:35] <Golynx> My fan starts spinning faster everytime i go there
[16:35] <Golynx> Not super fast though
[16:36] <Kilos> well thats a smart fan. when pc works more fan blows more
[16:37] <Golynx> Its ok i will keep it, i'm used to the file manager not working hard
[16:38] <Kilos> there might be a lighter one but the dev guys thought nautilus was best 
[16:38] <Golynx> ya fan works great!
[16:38] <Kilos> reinstall it
[16:38] <Kilos> maybe it wasnt a very good install with everything battling like you did'
[16:40] <Golynx> hmm, it came with the dvd
[16:40] <Kilos> ya but reinstall nautilus and see if that helps
[16:41] <Golynx> Can i do it in synaptic
[16:42] <Kilos> yes but whats wrong with aptitude
[16:43] <Golynx> i'm used to graphics lol
[16:43] <Kilos> aptitude is a very clever tool and looks for other probs too
[16:43] <Kilos> but synaptic works too
[16:45] <Golynx> sudo aptitude reinstall nautilus
[16:45] <Kilos> yes
[16:45] <Golynx> ok
[16:46] <Golynx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:46] <Golynx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:46] <Golynx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:46] <Golynx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:46] <Kilos> close synaptic
[16:46] <Golynx> ok
[16:47] <Golynx> E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the nautilus package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[16:47] <Golynx> E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the nautilus package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[16:47] <Golynx> E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download
[16:47] <Kilos> go look for it in synaptic
[16:48] <Kilos> oh ya its not in your archives
[16:48] <Golynx> Done
[16:48] <Golynx> What now
[16:49] <Kilos> you might need to run sudo apt-get update
[16:49] <Kilos> aptitude should have seen that package in the list
[16:49] <Golynx> Will it still be less than 20mb
[16:49] <Kilos> yes every time its less
[16:50] <Golynx> ok
[16:50] <Kilos> when nearly updated then its 2m
[16:51] <Golynx> It stopped with this error
[16:51] <Golynx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:51] <Golynx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:51] <Kilos> you have synaptic open
[16:52] <Golynx> lol 
[16:52] <Kilos> thats the other process
[16:52] <Golynx> reading package list... Done
[16:52] <Kilos> lol
[16:53] <Kilos> how many meg?
[16:53] <Golynx> Didnt show anything , just a small list of packages
[16:54] <Kilos> not downloaded so much in so long?
[16:55] <Golynx> Nope, just 7 or so stuff from synaptics
[16:55] <Kilos> type in sudo aptitude upgrade
[16:55] <Kilos> and see if it wants to upgrade anything
[16:55] <Golynx> huh, but that upgrades everything
[16:56] <Kilos> only if you tick y
[16:56] <Golynx> ok
[16:56] <Golynx> The following packages will be upgraded: 
[16:56] <Golynx>   adobe-flash-properties-gtk adobe-flashplugin 
[16:56] <Golynx> 2 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:56] <Golynx> Need to get 6 730 kB of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
[16:57] <Kilos> 6.7 meg then to upgrade
[16:57] <Kilos> thats why you battled with gtk
[16:58] <Golynx> hmm ok, so i tick Y
[16:58] <Kilos> ya
[16:59] <Golynx> ok
[16:59] <Golynx> Will take about 10 min lol
[17:00] <Kilos> whew
[17:08] <Golynx> Right its upgraded now
[17:10] <Golynx> Now i do sudo apt-get update
[17:11] <Golynx> wb nlsthzn
[17:11] <nlsthzn> hi Golynx, thanks :)
[17:12] <Golynx> yw nlsthzn :)
[17:13] <nlsthzn> :)
[17:14] <Golynx> No luck Kilos
[17:17] <somaunn> guys 
[17:17] <somaunn> is there a channel where i can learn and practice linux ?
[17:21] <Kilos> Golynx, ?
[17:21] <Golynx> yip
[17:21] <Kilos> whats no luck?
[17:22] <Golynx> still no size in sudo apt-get update
[17:22] <Kilos> no man you dont do update again
[17:22] <Golynx> oh
[17:22] <Kilos> always first update then upgrade then done
[17:23] <Golynx> and sudo aptitude reinstall nautilus gives same error
[17:23] <Kilos> if anything doesnt work smooth then reinstall with aptitude
[17:23] <Kilos> do nautilus in synaptic and see
[17:23] <Golynx> ok
[17:23] <Kilos> maybe the repo is down
[17:24] <Kilos> oh ya i changed off main last night
[17:25] <Golynx> ok i got first file of naulitus highlighted 
[17:25] <Golynx> what now
[17:25] <Kilos> changed to server for south africa
[17:25] <Kilos> check what other installed files are there
[17:25] <Kilos> while you have nautilus typed in the top
[17:26] <Golynx> i see all nautilus files plus a other few 
[17:27] <Kilos> reinstall them all
[17:27] <Golynx> how
[17:27] <Kilos> in synaptic right click reinstall
[17:28] <Golynx> Mark for reinstallation is disabled
[17:28] <Kilos> then they are must haves you cant fiddle with
[17:29] <Kilos> but do those you can
[17:29] <Kilos> and see if it wants to download
[17:29] <Kilos> then we know that remastersys dvd didnt do a full job
[17:30] <Golynx> mark suggested for installation and Removal is the only options
[17:31] <Kilos> no man
[17:31] <Kilos> only the green ones you must look at
[17:31] <Kilos> not all the rest
[17:31] <Golynx> Yes it is the Nautilus one with the green tick
[17:31] <Kilos> green ticked or green blob or something on the left
[17:32] <Kilos> and no others in that page
[17:32] <Kilos> ?
[17:32] <Golynx> Others show the same options
[17:32] <Kilos> are they green?
[17:33] <Golynx> Yes i only do the green ones
[17:33] <Kilos> good
[17:33] <Kilos> do it then
[17:33] <Golynx> Its them thats options are disables on right click
[17:33] <Golynx> disabled*
[17:34] <Kilos> then leave them
[17:34] <Kilos> tick apply
[17:35] <Golynx> I cant mark anything that got nautilus 
[17:35] <Kilos> oh
[17:35] <Kilos> close synaptic
[17:35] <Golynx> Only Mark for removal is there
[17:35] <Golynx> ok
[17:35] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install nautilus --reinstall
[17:37] <Golynx> Reading package lists... Done
[17:37] <Golynx> Building dependency tree       
[17:37] <Golynx> Reading state information... Done
[17:37] <Golynx> Reinstallation of nautilus is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[17:37] <Golynx> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:37] <Kilos> haha superfly funny that post in fb
[17:37] <nlsthzn> what happened to nautilus?
[17:37] <Kilos> its struggling nlsthzn 
[17:39] <Golynx> nlsthzn its using too much cpu than it should
[17:39] <Kilos> something wrong there
[17:39] <Golynx> Found this on google:
[17:39] <Golynx> Re: Urgent Help! Ubuntu 12.04 upgrade - Nautilus broken 
[17:39] <Golynx>  You can try deleting your nautilus folder.
[17:39] <Golynx> Code:
[17:39] <Golynx> rm -rf .gconf/apps/nautilus/
[17:39] <Golynx> and
[17:39] <Golynx> Code:
[17:39] <Golynx> rm -rf .config/nautilus/
[17:39] <Golynx> Which will delete all your nautilus settings. And then reinstall nautilus
[17:39] <Golynx> Code:
[17:39] <Golynx> sudo apt-get install --reinstall nautilus nautilus-data
[17:39] <Kilos> in synaptic if i right click nautilus it gives reinstall option
[17:40] <Golynx> Not in mine
[17:40] <Kilos> what have you fiddled with now
[17:40] <Kilos> open update manager
[17:40] <Golynx> Nope nothing , i found that on google
[17:40] <Golynx> ok
[17:41] <Kilos> then tick settings and tell me what repo its using
[17:42] <Kilos> in ubuntu software on the left
[17:42] <Golynx> main server
[17:42] <Kilos> change that to server for south africa
[17:42] <Golynx> ok
[17:43] <Kilos> i think that repo is sick since last night
[17:43] <Golynx> oh ok
[17:43] <Kilos> but now its gonna do the 20 update again
[17:43] <nlsthzn> if in doubt change to the main server...
[17:44] <Kilos> it was on main nlsthzn 
[17:44] <nlsthzn> hmmm...
[17:44] <Golynx> hmm
[17:44] <Kilos> i had probs there last night too
[17:45] <Kilos> if you have the data tick check
[17:45] <Golynx> Last time it was 16mn
[17:45] <Golynx> 16mb*
[17:45] <nlsthzn> what was 16mb, updates?
[17:45] <Kilos> oh then it will be about same
[17:45] <Kilos> ya nlsthzn 
[17:45] <Kilos> to get a new install updated
[17:46] <Kilos> then upgrades come later
[17:46] <nlsthzn> to refresh the package list you mean?
[17:46] <Kilos> yessir
[17:46] <nlsthzn> wow, never knew it had become so big?!
[17:46] <nlsthzn> uncapped makes you lazy...
[17:47] <nlsthzn> when I was in SA I never had net :/
[17:47] <Kilos> lol
[17:47] <Kilos> eish linux is no good without the net
[17:47] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_ 
[17:48] <nlsthzn> well, it is so much easier with it :)
[17:48] <Kilos> yeah
[17:48] <Tonberry_> hello
[17:52] <Kilos> is it checking Golynx 
[17:53] <Golynx> Ya Kilos
[17:53] <Kilos> should automatically show upgrades if there are
[17:53] <Kilos> and how much will be downloaded near the bottom
[17:54] <Golynx> Ya i see
[17:55] <Kilos> you have the choice to go ahead at least
[17:55] <Kilos> often when i saw how much i closed it till i had data
[17:56] <Golynx> hmm, so just close the terminal when i want ?
[17:57] <Kilos>  no man
[17:57] <Kilos> wait till its finish
[17:57] <Kilos> then see how much data it wants to download
[17:57] <Golynx> oh
[17:57] <Kilos> then decide to go ahead or close
[17:57] <Kilos> other wise you will need to run updates again
[17:58] <Golynx> Ya i just want the package list updated and nautilus reinstalled , nothing else
[18:00] <Kilos> 845kB nautilus is
[18:00] <Golynx> Maybe its the kernel change that broke it
[18:00] <Golynx> was 3.5 on dvd now 3.2
[18:00] <Golynx> good
[18:01] <Kilos> nautilus-data is 63.4 kB
[18:01] <Kilos> ya dont fiddle and change stuff
[18:01] <Kilos> whew
[18:03] <Golynx> Ya that was last week , had a hot head like the lappy
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:05] <Golynx> :p
[18:09] <Golynx> Fetched 10,4 MB in 22min 4s (7 867 B/s)                                        C
[18:09] <Golynx> Reading package lists... Done
[18:10] <Golynx> lol
[18:10] <Kilos> whew
[18:10] <Kilos> does it show upgrade packages?
[18:11] <Golynx> Where is that
[18:11] <Kilos> in the update manager window
[18:11] <Kilos> you have it open havent you?
[18:12] <Golynx> Yes
[18:12] <Kilos> you did tick check there?
[18:12] <Golynx> Nope
[18:12] <Kilos> thats what it just did
[18:12] <Kilos> eish
[18:12] <Kilos> you must listen man
[18:13] <Golynx> i updated from terminal
[18:14] <Golynx> It says the package information was just updated
[18:14] <Kilos> and i said what?
[18:14] <Kilos> didnt i say tick check while you were in update manager
[18:14] <Kilos> but anyway
[18:15] <Kilos> nor run sudo apt-get upgrade and see
[18:15] <Golynx> terminal had the same stuff 
[18:15] <Golynx> ok
[18:16] <Kilos> ya but when someone is trying to help you sort a prob you follow what they say so they dont get lost with whats happening
[18:16] <Golynx> Reading package lists... Done
[18:16] <Golynx> Building dependency tree       
[18:16] <Golynx> Reading state information... Done
[18:16] <Golynx> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:17] <Kilos> like doing check in update manager updates but immediately shows available packages
[18:17] <Kilos> oh my
[18:17] <Golynx> You didnt say anything after open download manager , i assumed i had to do it in the terminal
[18:17] <Kilos> then you must be up to date
[18:17] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall synaptic
[18:17] <Golynx> ok
[18:18] <Golynx> Its working
[18:18] <Kilos> we gotta find why nautilus dont give reinstall option
[18:19] <Golynx> Need to get 2 405 kB of archives
[18:19] <Kilos> aha
[18:19] <Kilos> see it wasnt a complete install
[18:19] <Kilos> i think you gonna find lots of them
[18:19] <Golynx> oh really
[18:20] <Golynx> Lots of what
[18:20] <Kilos> if something dont work kiff reinstall and see
[18:20] <Kilos> lots of things that dont work to their best
[18:21] <Kilos> i dunno why remastersys did that though
[18:21] <Golynx> oh ok will have to see what gives such an issue
[18:21] <Kilos> i had it with the first time i tried it
[18:21] <Kilos> reinstalled everything in synaptic
[18:21] <Kilos> took a day to tick them all
[18:22] <Golynx> Most issues are minor though, but get bigger with time
[18:22] <Golynx> So its hard to spot at first
[18:22] <Kilos> but now i know where to look for probs
[18:22] <Golynx> wow
[18:23] <Kilos> my last remastersys dvd didnt give that prob
[18:23] <Kilos> oh 
[18:23] <Kilos> made on different pc
[18:23] <Kilos> who knows
[18:24] <Golynx> Ya probably, some compression formats change minor things in programs
[18:24] <Kilos> but if anything dont work smooth reinstall it in synaptic and other packages that are in same line of packages
[18:26] <Golynx> Right synaptic reinstalled , i think
[18:27] <Golynx> nautilus still no reinstall option
[18:28] <Kilos> ai!
[18:28] <Golynx> only nautilus-share and nautilus-sendto have that option
[18:29] <Kilos> something is wrong there
[18:29] <Golynx> hmm
[18:30] <Kilos> you unticked too many things last week
[18:30] <Kilos> remember i told you i have had an 80m upgrade since i sent the dvd
[18:31] <Golynx> I did'nt do that though, its only opera that i locked
[18:32] <Golynx> and gimp
[18:32] <Golynx> everything else i left as is
[18:35] <inetpro> Midnight Commander is a popular twin-panel file manager for the terminal
[18:35] <inetpro> sudo aptitude install mc
[18:35] <inetpro> using a text-user interface
[18:36] <Kilos> evening inetpro 
[18:36] <inetpro> hello
[18:36] <charl> hi Kilos, inetpro 
[18:36] <Golynx> inetpro i dont think that'll work for me, since i do drag drop cp alot
[18:36] <Golynx> hi charl
[18:37] <Kilos> hi charl 
[18:37] <somaunn> bye bye guys
[18:37] <inetpro> there is also PCMan File Manager and many others
[18:38] <inetpro> aptitude show pcmanfm
[18:38] <Kilos> i dont understand why synaptic cant reinstall nautilus
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... you and your re-install tendencies
[18:39] <inetpro> not sure it is always necessary 
[18:39] <Kilos> nope it was psu prob here
[18:40] <Kilos> since i put drives on external power no more probs
[18:40] <inetpro> btw, good evening everyone
[18:41] <Kilos> lol
[18:41] <inetpro> Kilos: please excuse me
[18:41]  * inetpro is very tired
[18:41] <Kilos> ok
[18:42] <inetpro> waking up early taking it's toll
[18:42] <Kilos> get some rest
[18:42] <Kilos> old peeps cant take the pace in this modern world
[18:42] <inetpro> :-)
[18:43] <Kilos> hehehe
[18:43] <Golynx> Kilos what was the 2 files sizes
[18:44] <Kilos> scroll back
[18:44] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[18:44] <inetpro> has somaunn come right?
[18:44] <Kilos> ik dunno
[18:44] <Kilos> forgot what he asked
[18:44] <Kilos> oh
[18:45] <inetpro> with the shells
[18:45] <Golynx> oh lol
[18:45] <Kilos> something that works like something in windows
[18:45] <Kilos> oh that
[18:45] <Kilos> i dunno
[18:45] <Golynx> You sure its only those 2 nautilus got ?
[18:45] <Kilos> he will learn some from lpi manual he said
[18:45] <inetpro> ai!
[18:45] <Kilos> might be more
[18:46] <Kilos> wait lets try something else
[18:46] <inetpro> does it teach the basics?
[18:46] <Kilos> ya its lekker man
[18:46] <inetpro> ok
[18:46] <Kilos> up to page 100 i think it was
[18:46] <Kilos> then gets heavy
[18:46] <Kilos> Golynx, 
[18:46] <Kilos> sudo aptitude purge synaptic
[18:47] <Golynx> Then what was those 2 files for :/
[18:47] <Kilos> did you install them now?
[18:47] <Golynx> No
[18:47] <Kilos> did gdebi work?
[18:47] <Kilos> try that first then
[18:48] <Golynx> if there is more files needed by nautilus i'm not gona install
[18:48] <Kilos> man try one
[18:48] <Kilos> we trying to find the error here
[18:49] <Golynx> It says same version is already installed , and a reinstall button
[18:49] <Kilos> reinstall
[18:49] <Golynx> ok
[18:51] <Kilos> oh inetpro i dont know what you mean by basics
[18:52] <Kilos> i dont know how much somaun knows
[18:52] <Kilos> or how little
[18:52] <Golynx> it said installation complete : in status loader bar , 
[18:52] <inetpro> something that explains shells in a bit more detail 
[18:52] <Kilos> oh so you broke something in synaptic
[18:52] <Kilos> sudo aptitude purge synaptic
[18:53] <Kilos> close gdebi first
[18:53] <Golynx> ok
[18:53] <Kilos> done?
[18:54] <Golynx> The following packages will be REMOVED:  
[18:54] <Golynx>   synaptic{p} 
[18:54] <Golynx> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:54] <Golynx> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 7 779 kB will be freed.
[18:54] <Kilos> inetpro, ill help him tomorrow if i can with more basic stuff
[18:54] <Kilos> yes Golynx 
[18:54] <Golynx> ok
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[18:55] <Kilos> i thought he was clued up with linux
[18:55] <Golynx> (Reading database ... 316670 files and directories currently installed.)
[18:55] <Golynx> Removing synaptic ...
[18:55] <Golynx> Purging configuration files for synaptic ...
[18:55] <Golynx> dpkg: warning: while removing synaptic, directory '/var/lib/synaptic' not empty so not removed.
[18:55] <Golynx> Processing triggers for man-db ...
[18:55] <Golynx> Processing triggers for gnome-menus ...
[18:55] <Golynx> Processing triggers for bamfdaemon ...
[18:55] <Golynx> Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index...
[18:55] <Golynx> Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
[18:55] <Golynx> Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...
[18:56] <Kilos> but to drop him into vim is heavy if he know nothing about linux
[18:56] <Kilos> lol Golynx you actually spamming here
[18:56] <Golynx> I dunno the error sorry
[18:57] <Kilos> try sudo apt-get remove synaptic
[18:57] <Golynx> ok
[18:58] <Golynx> Package synaptic is not installed, so not removed
[18:59] <Golynx> Should i delete the Synaptic folder in /var/lib/synaptic
[18:59] <Kilos> yes if you can
[19:00] <Golynx> Nope cannot
[19:00] <Kilos> ok now we need clever help
[19:00] <Golynx> hmm
[19:01] <Kilos> i at times do things as root but thats dangerous in your hands now still
[19:02] <Kilos> that might contain the conf files of sysnaptic
[19:02] <Kilos> inetpro, how do we delete that file please
[19:02] <Kilos> /var/lib/synaptic
[19:03] <inetpro> ai! you guys like breaking things?
[19:03] <Kilos> i dunno chroot
[19:03] <Kilos> i can chown it but that dangerous too
[19:03] <inetpro> chroot has absolutely nothing to do with it
[19:03] <Kilos> ok can we chown it then delete it
[19:04] <inetpro> no
[19:04] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:04] <Golynx> This is inside the preference file in that folder. Package: gimp
[19:04] <Golynx> Pin: version 2.6.12-1ubuntu1.3
[19:04] <Golynx> Pin-Priority: 1001
[19:04] <inetpro> if you have to delete it, and I don't know why, then you can do it with rm
[19:04] <Kilos> only gimp?
[19:04] <inetpro> man rm
[19:04] <Kilos> sudo aptitude remove gimp
[19:05] <Golynx> Yes only gimp
[19:05] <Golynx> ok
[19:05] <Kilos> when i wanted to rm the other day guys told me dont do that
[19:05] <inetpro> sudo rm -r /target/folder/owned/by/root
[19:05] <Golynx> Wait is it cause gimp is still locked from upgrades ?
[19:06] <Kilos> remove it
[19:06] <Kilos> or wont it
[19:07] <Kilos> here we go Golynx 
[19:07] <Golynx> I think gimp is gone
[19:07] <Kilos> sudo rm -r /var/lib/synaptic
[19:08] <Golynx> its gone now, at the cost of gimp grrr
[19:09] <Kilos> no man
[19:09] <Golynx> Already removed gimp
[19:09] <inetpro> charl: Die Grüne Woche (Groen Week) open vanaand amptelik in die Duitse hoofstad 
[19:09] <Kilos> sudo aptitude purge synaptic
[19:10] <Golynx> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[19:10] <Golynx> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:10] <Golynx> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
[19:10] <Kilos> that wasnt the gimp package
[19:11] <Kilos> sudo maptitude install synaptic
[19:11] <Kilos> ai!
[19:11] <Golynx> hmm
[19:11] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install synaptic
[19:12] <Kilos> we can get gimp back from the dvd again
[19:12] <Kilos> but it will also be like a minimal install
[19:12] <Kilos> i think
[19:12] <Golynx> it stopped at: Setting up synaptic (0.75.9ubuntu1) ...
[19:13] <Kilos> whew what have you done there
[19:13] <Kilos> it might take a while
[19:14] <Golynx> Nope it stopped totally
[19:14] <Kilos> if it hasnt finished by next week we install everything from scratch
[19:14] <Kilos> ok close that terminal
[19:14] <Kilos> ctrl+c
[19:15] <Kilos> should go back to prompt
[19:15] <Golynx> Was already at prompt
[19:15] <Kilos> ah ok
[19:15]  * inetpro falling asleep
[19:15] <inetpro> good night
[19:15] <Kilos> lets try sudo apt-get install synaptic
[19:15] <Kilos> lekker slaap inetpro 
[19:15] <Golynx> night inetpro
[19:16] <Golynx> ok
[19:16] <Kilos> if it was at the prompt it is installed
[19:16] <Golynx> synaptic is already the newest version.
[19:16] <Golynx> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:16] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <Golynx> already installed ?
[19:17] <Kilos> ok open it and see if nautilus can reinstall
[19:17] <Kilos> when it goes back to prompt its finished installing
[19:17] <Golynx> ok ,but still no reinstall option with nautilus
[19:18] <Kilos> eish
[19:18] <Kilos> you musta unticked more stuff
[19:18] <Kilos> like when you couldnt update
[19:19] <Golynx> Cant be , i just installed some apps i wanted 
[19:19] <Kilos> what do you see in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[19:20] <Kilos> from where did you install them?
[19:20] <Golynx> only programs stuff i installed
[19:21] <Kilos> from the repos?
[19:21] <Kilos> or online stuff
[19:21] <Golynx> Synaptic , via the tick option and clicking Apply
[19:21] <Kilos> those are safe
[19:21] <Kilos> you gotta watch online stuff
[19:22] <Golynx> Ya , only ubuntu-tweak i installed from its website
[19:22] <Kilos> so whats in archives
[19:23] <Kilos> if you go to /var/cache/apt/ archives and right click properties on archives you should see the size of you downloads
[19:23] <Golynx> Apache2 , php, python, alot of graphics driver stuff, one mysql install i aborted
[19:23] <Kilos> ok
[19:24] <Kilos> make a folder on desktop
[19:24] <Kilos> name it precise
[19:24] <Golynx> ok
[19:24] <Kilos> you mustnt abort stuff while installing
[19:24] <Kilos> now
[19:25] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ ~/Desktop/precise/
[19:25] <Golynx> ok
[19:25] <Golynx> Done
[19:26] <Kilos> if you have a stick or external you can save them there
[19:27] <Golynx> oh is that the backup way for the packages
[19:27] <Kilos> how big is the precise folder
[19:27] <Golynx> 137Mb
[19:27] <Kilos> ok so at least thats saved
[19:27] <Kilos> you might need to rinstall to fix whatever is wrong
[19:28] <Golynx> ok
[19:28] <Kilos> i dont know why synaptic dont wanna work
[19:29] <Kilos> but with gdebi working that can help
[19:29] <Golynx> Its ok , i will ma work like this, its not that bad
[19:29] <Kilos> you should still be able to install with apt-get and aptitude
[19:30] <Kilos> try sudo aptitude reinstall gimp
[19:30] <Golynx> Atleast there are other ways
[19:30] <Kilos> yeah
[19:30] <Kilos> most things can be fixed but sometimes it is quicker to reinstall than try find the prob
[19:31] <Golynx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:31] <Golynx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:31] <Golynx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:31] <Golynx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:31] <Kilos> synaptic open?
[19:31] <Golynx> lol ai
[19:31] <Kilos> hha
[19:32] <Golynx> Dont wana reinstall
[19:33] <Kilos> its something you did when you went mad unticking and locking stuff
[19:34] <Golynx> lol, its installing now via synaptic
[19:34] <Kilos> gimp?
[19:35] <Golynx> i saw all other gimp files there had green ticks except the main gimp file
[19:35] <Kilos> ah
[19:36] <Golynx> That one had the lock on
[19:36] <Kilos> you should reinstall all the gimp ones that way
[19:36] <Kilos> and look here
[19:36] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/276408/what-alternatives-to-nautilus-exist-which-are-more-responsive
[19:36] <Kilos> but use nothing thats not in synaptic
[19:37] <Golynx> ty i will try see if theres something better than nautilus
[19:37] <Kilos> ok then can i go sleep now?
[19:38] <Kilos> carry on tomorrow
[19:38] <Golynx> Yes you can :)
[19:38] <Kilos> ty
[19:38] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:38] <Golynx> No thanks , already wasted alot of data
[19:38] <Golynx> night night
[19:38] <psychicist> good night Kilos 
[19:38] <psychicist> hi Golynx 
[19:39] <Golynx> Hi psychicist
[20:10] <Golynx> night guys