[00:04] <xubuntu475> why is everyone here?
[00:04] <xubuntu475> no one talks?
[00:05] <well_laid_lawn> some ppl leave the chat client running when they sleep
[00:05] <well_laid_lawn> or just check it every now and again
[00:25] <starrats> good evening
[02:43] <jmleaux> repurposing a 2003 machine that hasn't been turned on in...three years...go Xubuntu!
[03:07] <attrapereves> Hi, my laptop screen isn't dimming or shutting off, despite my power settings. Any tips?
[04:37] <holstein> attrapereves: if you have hardware that doesnt support linux well, that could be the case
[04:37] <holstein> sometimes i try other graphics drivers
[04:42] <attrapereves> holstein, so the graphics driver has something to do with the screen going to sleep and the computer going into standby?
[04:43] <attrapereves> I did get my graphics issue fixed by using the alpha version of xubuntu. I tried using Windows 8 for a day, but was determined to get Xubuntu up and running.
[04:46] <holstein> attrapereves: i have found that it can, and i know you have issue with your hardware supporting linux
[04:48] <attrapereves> Xscreensaver was working, but it only made the screen black. The backlight was still visible. I disabled it and am trying to stick with the built in power settings.
[04:48] <holstein> attrapereves: you will have issues.. have you tried the vesa driver that i suggested?
[04:49] <attrapereves> I haven't. However, the "radeon" driver in the 14.04 alpha seems to work fine.
[04:49] <attrapereves> I am unable to change my screen brightness either. I'm trying to determine if it's driver related or hotkeys related.
[04:50] <holstein> attrapereves: yeah? you are reporting issues with it now, no? the 3d rendering of the screen saver.. the backlight support and the sleep? correct?
[04:50] <holstein> attrapereves: *all* of that can be, and likely is (knowing the history) related to the driver support.. but, you can try the proprietary driver if you are not
[04:50] <attrapereves> True
[04:51] <attrapereves> I believe I've used the standard vesa driver, but it's been 5 or 6 years. That's a very basic driver that lacks most features, correct?
[04:52] <attrapereves> At this point I
[04:52] <attrapereves> I am willing to live without certain features. Windows 8 was that terrible.
[04:53] <attrapereves> The proprietary driver for the HD8400 is still a beta, so I'm not sure I'm willing to go that route.
[04:55] <attrapereves> Another weird thing happened when installing Xubuntu on this machine. I had to manually go in and change settings to match the Xubuntu theme.
[04:55] <holstein> attrapereves: you are lacking features.. and trying different drivers may help add them.. otherwise, you just need to shop with linux support in mind
[04:56] <holstein> attrapereves: you had to change what to what? you mean, the name of some items? they may not be set to "xubuntu".. the xubuntu theme can involve elements not referred to as "xubuntu-*"
[04:57] <attrapereves> The window manager appearance had to be changed. Iirc, the window was blue, whereas Xubuntu is gray.
[04:57] <attrapereves> I also had to enable opacity and shadowing.
[04:58] <holstein> attrapereves: you chose to enable those..
[04:59] <holstein> regardless, 14.04 is not released yet, so some elements might not be there or set up yet.. you will use #ubuntu+1
[04:59] <attrapereves> Yes. After installation, the system looked very stock XFCE-ish.
[05:00] <attrapereves> However, on another computer, everything appeared as standard Xubuntu,
[05:00] <attrapereves> Not really a problem, as I was able to change settings.
[05:00] <holstein> attrapereves: you have driver issues.. not sure what other hardware issues, but if on the other computer, you were using 13.10, and the one you are making changes to, that is 14.04, that can be the issue.. 14.04 is not released yet
[05:02] <attrapereves> I tested 14.04 on the other computer and everything appeared the same as 13.10
[05:02] <attrapereves> Those popup notifications, where are the settings for them? They seem to have a white frame around them.
[05:03] <holstein> attrapereves: in 14.04? you will use #ubuntu+1 ..support here offically in april
[05:04] <attrapereves> OK, I'll head over there to ask.
[05:04] <attrapereves> Another question.
[05:05] <attrapereves> What's the program called that takes a screenshot? After pressing printscreen, a window comes up asking if you want to save or copy to clipboard. Do you know the name of this?
[05:05] <holstein> there are many.. i would open the package manager of my choice (which is usually synaptic if i want a GUI one) and search "screenshot".. xfce has one
[05:06] <holstein> !info xfce4-screenshooter
[05:06] <attrapereves> That's it.
[05:09] <attrapereves> I must say, XFCE has come a long way.
[05:09] <attrapereves> I first used it about 7 years ago and found it to be lacking.
[05:10] <holstein> there are many environments.. most of them are in the ubuntu repos by default
[05:10] <attrapereves> I recently started using linux again about a year ago and really did not care for the newer versions of Gnome, KDE, and Unity.
[05:11] <holstein> you need 3d support for those to realy make sense
[05:11] <attrapereves> I had 3D support on those machines, but did not care for the layout.
[05:12] <attrapereves> XFCE feels like Gnome 2, which I liked a lot.
[05:12] <holstein> attrapereves: the layout can be changed..
[05:15] <attrapereves> I'm starting to feel old. I remember using Gnome 1 even.
[05:17] <holstein> attrapereves: you might want to check out mate. i feel xfce really addresses a similar work flow that gnome2 did, but xfce is not intended as a gnome2 replacement. you might want to chat about it in #xubuntu-offtopic
[05:18] <attrapereves> Out of all the environments and window managers I've used, I like XFCE the best.
[05:24] <attrapereves> holstein, does the stock Xubuntu kernel support multicore processors?
[05:25] <holstein> attrapereves: its the ubuntu kernel. does the specific processor support linux might be the better question, but yes... it should work with most modern hardware with no configuration necessary
[05:26] <attrapereves> That's good. It looks like I have four listings according to /proc/cpuinfo.
[05:28] <attrapereves> holstein, the proprietary AMD drivers, do you have any experience with them?
[05:28] <holstein> attrapereves: yes
[05:28] <attrapereves> Any issues?
[05:28] <holstein> attrapereves: yes
[05:28] <attrapereves> What was going on?
[05:29] <holstein> attrapereves: depends on the hardware
[05:30] <attrapereves> I was trying to find some information on the Radeon HD8400, but not many google results relating to linux come up. I guess I could always test it and revert back if necessary.
[05:30] <holstein> attrapereves: these days, hardware is so cheap.. and also, i try and purchase either boxes that come with linux, or machines that specifically support linux well
[05:31] <holstein> attrapereves: if you havent tried the proprietary driver, that would be the first step.. i suggested that from the text install of 13.10 that was failing to load for you
[05:31] <holstein> !ati | attrapereves
[05:34] <attrapereves> I usually build my own machines and specifically purchase hardware that supports linux, but it's a little harder to do with laptops.
[05:36] <holstein> system76 and other vendors sell machines made to run linux
[07:28] <ROPA> Im having trouble installing the netflix-desktop software in xubuntu 12.04, it works fine in xubuntu 13.10. I added the ppa, and updated, but it can't find the netflix-desktop ap. Is there any chance that it's not available for 12.04???
[07:32] <elfy> where's the ppa?
[07:32] <elfy> did the update give you errors?
[07:34] <ROPA> there were no errors
[07:34] <ROPA> standby for the ppa......
[07:35] <ROPA> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ehoover/compholio
[07:35] <Unit193> Those aren't current instructions,
[07:36] <Unit193> !netflix
[07:36] <ROPA> thanks to you both, appreciate the nudge in the right direction.
[07:37] <Unit193> But, did you apt-get update after adding?
[07:37] <ROPA> Yes, I did the update.......there were no errors.
[07:38] <ROPA> sudo apt-get update
[07:41] <ROPA> I just had a look at the url, it seems only the ppa has changed. Will have a go at it soon. Again, tnx to all who helped.
[07:54] <ROPA> still no luck, same error. I added the new ppa, removed the old ppa and followed directions at http://fds-team.de/cms/pipelight-installation.html.....drats.
[08:17] <ROPA> success, at last. I needed to restart the computer, after a restart, the terminal command found the software and installed it. It works!!! Ag, ty.
[10:29] <starrats> good morning everyone!
[10:30] <knome> morning
[10:30] <starrats> no questions or problems atm just saying hello
[10:30] <knome> !offtopic
[10:30] <Unit193> Howdy.
[10:30] <knome> ^ if you want to chat
[10:31] <starrats> okay
[11:25] <xubuntu655> hi
[11:26] <xubuntu655> anyone here?
[11:26] <xubuntu655> i need help
[11:26] <xubuntu655> i cant figure out installing xubuntu. i put it into flash drive and tried booting from usb without fail
[11:28] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, error message?
[11:28] <cfhowlett> and HOW did you "put it" onto a flash drive?
[11:28] <xubuntu655> extracted file into usb. the xubuntu 64bit iso file
[11:29] <xubuntu655> and the usb had additional data as well unrelated to xubuntu
[11:29] <xubuntu655> no error message, it just doesnt load
[11:29] <xubuntu655> boot sorry, doesnt boot
[11:30] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, ???? the standard way is to use either ubuntustartupdisk creator or unetbootin to create the bootable media.  extracting onto usb is NOT going to make it bootable.
[11:32] <xubuntu655> ok thanks all this seems alien tech to me, being from windows background and all
[11:33] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, no problem.  did you find the USB startupdisk creator app?
[11:33] <xubuntu655> and hey do u know how i can increase by disk space from 18gb. i had installed ubuntu 13.10 and by mistake given it only 18gb
[11:33] <xubuntu655> no, i'll install using another procedure.
[11:33] <xubuntu655> i'll install it onto my ubuntu 13.10
[11:33] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, 18g is PLENTY!
[11:34] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, but if you already have ubuntu, then you don't need xubuntu
[11:34] <xubuntu655> its not. im out of space. my windows has 200 gb
[11:34] <xubuntu655> wont xubuntu be faster?
[11:35] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, depends on system hardware.  generally yes.  but just add xfce4 and the xubuntu-desktop to ubuntu.  logout.  choose xfce4 session.  login.  that's xubuntu.
[11:35] <xubuntu655> oh yeah the issue with ubuntu is it overheats my laptop a lot, and the boot time is a bit slow. specially i think when the image is loaded it takes a lot of time, hardware problem?
[11:36] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, probably not problem so much as hardware limitations.  what are your system specs?
[11:36] <xubuntu655> i3 i think 2.20ghz
[11:36] <xubuntu655> 6gb of ram
[11:37] <xubuntu655> no additional graphics card. system default.  dell inspiron
[11:37] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, keep ubuntu.  install lxde and xfce4.  test them both out.  NO graphics!?
[11:37] <cfhowlett> OH< got it.
[11:38] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, I'd say test out your options and choose.
[11:38] <xubuntu655> ok. and one more thing, whenever i login to ubuntu when i type my password and press enter, the whole display freezes for just a second or more and the top half part's image kinda disintegrates
[11:39] <xubuntu655> is it normal?
[11:39] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, now THAT is graphics limitations ...
[11:39] <cfhowlett> unity is graphics intensive.
[11:39] <xubuntu655> so xfce4 will be better?
[11:40] <xubuntu655> will i have to remove gnome as well completely?
[11:40] <cfhowlett> almost certainly faster.
[11:40] <cfhowlett> remove nothing until you finalize a distro.
[11:40] <xubuntu655> hmm thhanks a lot
[11:40] <xubuntu655> i was getting mad without aid
[11:40] <cfhowlett> understood
[11:41] <xubuntu655> distro is a desktop environment?
[11:41] <xubuntu655> like unity etc etc???
[11:41] <xubuntu655> new in linux i am
[11:41] <cfhowlett> lots more eyes in the main channel #ubuntu.  distro = ubuntu, DE (desktop environment) = unity, xfce4, lxde, gnome ...
[11:42] <xubuntu655> thanks cfhowlett, your the man
[11:42] <cfhowlett> xubuntu655, have fun, be safe
[11:42] <xubuntu655> or maybe the woman, im just sorry.
[11:42] <xubuntu655> peace
[11:42] <Sysi> different *buntus are essentially just different default sets of software (on install disk)
[11:46] <cub> xubuntu655, I'd say you will do great with xubuntu (or lubuntu) with those specs on your pc. I've been running an eee pc with xubuntu for years with just 1 GB of RAM.
[11:47] <cub> xubuntu655, ubuntu with unity totally killed it though.
[15:00] <shuerhaaken> Hello. I have an issue with xfce4-power-manager. It's not starting in ~60% of my logins. I slightly improved situation with a delayed start via a script (start after sleep 4). In cases where xfce4-power-manager did not start automatically it cannot be started manually (it immediately exits without error message). How can I find out what is wrong?
[15:08] <brainwash> shuerhaaken: try to run it with "--no-daemon", this way you'll get some debug output in the terminal window
[15:15] <shuerhaaken> brainwash: Thanks for reply! I'll try that next time I have this issue
[15:40] <shuerhaaken> brainwash: Actually power manager is there but it's not doing anything. Tried 'xfce4-power-manager --restart --no-daemon'. This gave me '(xfce4-power-manager:2328): xfce4-power-manager-CRITICAL **: Unable to send reload message'. Selecting org.xfce.PowerManager in d-feet gives me timeout messages.
[15:45] <brainwash> shuerhaaken: so the daemonized power manager instance seems to be stuck and does not respond anymore
[15:45] <brainwash> can you reproduce this after killing this instance and starting a new one?
[15:46] <brainwash> test normal and daemon mode
[15:47] <brainwash> and is this a stock xubuntu installation?
[15:48] <brainwash> there are some reports about Xfce components not being able to daemonize properly when ubuntu's overlay scrollbar is installed
[15:52] <shuerhaaken> killing and restarting gives me '(xfce4-power-manager:2480): xfce4-power-manager-WARNING **: could not map keysym 1008ffa8 to keycode'
[15:52] <shuerhaaken> brainwash: connection to overlay scrollbar seems strange
[15:53] <brainwash> you got it installed?
[15:53] <shuerhaaken> yes
[15:54] <shuerhaaken> also otherwise xubuntu stock installation
[15:54] <brainwash> bug 1239018
[15:57] <shuerhaaken> I'll try that. It might take some logins to find out if it actually works. Thanks!
[16:00] <brainwash> shuerhaaken: ok, don't forget to add a comment to the report if the overlay scrollbar module is indeed causing the faulty behavior :)
[16:08] <shuerhaaken> brainwash: Will do that as soon as I know more
[17:00] <blimsta> Hi, I need help blocking an IP or a range of IP's because a person keeps attacking my hosted game and crashing it out. please help
[17:06] <blimsta> can anyone recommend a program that will work with my 64bit Ubuntu desktop OS
[17:07] <baizon> blimsta: ?
[17:07] <baizon> i dont understand you question.
[17:08] <blimsta> I need to block an IP from sending data to my computer
[17:09] <baizon> blimsta: use ufw, or iptables?
[17:09] <baizon> blimsta: or gufw if you want a gui
[17:09] <blimsta> I host a game server and someone keeps crashing it out but it's coming from the same IP every time
[17:09] <blimsta> ok I check them out
[17:10] <blimsta> what one is the most simple to use?
[17:10] <TheSheep> the solution is to fix the bug that is used to crash it
[17:10] <blimsta> I know but its a old game and I have no idea how to fix the code
[17:11] <baizon> blimsta: gufw/ufw imo
[17:11] <blimsta> its an exploit, they doing it 5+ times a day
[17:12] <blimsta> thanks guys
[17:28] <Steve_McQuack> My update manager seems to have frozen at
[17:28] <Steve_McQuack> "Configuring linux-image-3.2.0-58-generic"
[17:28] <Steve_McQuack> What should I do?
[17:28] <blimsta> what does it mean by "From" and "To". Do I add the ip I want to block in both boxes?
[17:33] <brainwash> blimsta: you should read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gufw
[17:44] <blimsta> ok seem have worked it out. thank very much for the help.
[18:52] <xubuntu132> hi all
[18:54] <xubuntu823> hi all
[18:54] <xubuntu823> im having a problem removing users profile and loosing root
[18:55] <xubuntu823> I did a youtube video if any one cares to take a look
[18:55] <xubuntu823> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf_QDh5JDbc
[18:55] <xubuntu823> *losing
[18:56] <glenrock> watching your vid now
[18:59] <xubuntu823> thanks better they trying to tell people the problem
[19:00] <brainwash> 9 minutes long o.o
[19:01] <glenrock> xubuntu823: when you enter your password in the software center, are you entering the password that belongs to testerhay?
[19:01] <xubuntu823> yes
[19:02] <xubuntu823> the password is testerhay
[19:02] <glenrock> is testerhay in the /etc/sudoers file?
[19:02] <xubuntu823> no
[19:02] <glenrock> that's interesting.   i wonder what setting account type to "administrator" is supposed to do
[19:03] <glenrock> i would think it should add the user to /etc/sudoers, but it sounds like it doesn't
[19:03] <xubuntu823> if it was I would not have the problem
[19:03] <xubuntu823> it dose not and I get a lot of computer back because of that problem
[19:03] <xubuntu823> lubunte is the same way
[19:03] <xubuntu823> this but is in 13 all so
[19:03] <knome> it's not a xubuntu or lubuntu related issue
[19:04] <xubuntu823> I mean this is in 13 all so
[19:04] <xubuntu823> ok
[19:04] <knome> http://askubuntu.com/questions/70442/how-do-i-add-myself-back-as-a-sudo-user
[19:05] <xubuntu823> ya if can be fixed from terminal
[19:05] <knome> if you are providing computers for clients, and they remove the first user and come up with this problem, i would consider adding a second user with sudo rights just to be able to recover
[19:06] <xubuntu823> i guess what would be one work around
[19:06] <glenrock> so what does the account type of "administrator" mean?
[19:06] <glenrock> what does that do?
[19:06] <brainwash> the user management tool is not maintained anymore
[19:07] <xubuntu823> but this is a bug right?
[19:07] <brainwash> it is
[19:07] <knome> well,
[19:07] <knome> it can either be a bug in the user management tool (which isn't really maintained any more)
[19:07] <knome> or possibly be a bug in ubuntu,
[19:07] <brainwash> let me check the source code
[19:07] <knome> or then it's like that by design
[19:08] <knome> i would imagine the administrator has other group memberships regular users don't
[19:09] <knome> off the focus of this channel, but there should be a new user manager soon, and we're investigating to include that in 14.04
[19:10] <xubuntu823> thanks
[19:11] <glenrock> xubuntu823: sounds like you'll have to come up with a process.  perhaps the first user you create is always "administrator", so people know not to delete that guy
[19:11] <glenrock> then maybe have a script in adminstrator's home to make another user a sudoer
[19:11] <knome> or not give the users the permissions to delete users...
[19:11] <glenrock> just a thought
[19:11] <xubuntu823> ya I will figure out some work around
[19:12] <glenrock> maybe it makes sense to actually enable the root account in this scenario
[19:12] <glenrock> or is that a no-no in ubuntu-land?
[19:12] <glenrock> ;)
[19:12] <brainwash> xubuntu823: can you run "groups <user>" after creating the new super user please?
[19:13] <brainwash> I suspect that the tool is not aware of the "sudo" grp
[19:13] <xubuntu823> how do I do that?
[19:13] <xubuntu823> let me look
[19:13] <brainwash> inside a terminal window
[19:13] <xubuntu823> whats the command
[19:14] <brainwash> groups <user>
[19:14] <xubuntu823> sorry i have some one else that knows a lot more than me
[19:14] <glenrock> group testerhay
[19:15] <xubuntu823> testhay is not in the suberos file
[19:15] <knome> glenrock, i would rather do something else than enable the root account
[19:15] <glenrock> agreed
[19:15] <brainwash> xubuntu823: run "groups testhay"
[19:15] <brainwash> and paste the output here
[19:17] <xubuntu823> testhay@ubuntu:/bin$ groups testhay testhay : testhay adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin sambashare
[19:17] <brainwash> thanks
[19:18] <glenrock> that's interesting.    since the user wasn't added to the group called "sudo", he doesn't become a sudoer
[19:18] <knome> glenrock, that's hardly "interesting" ;)
[19:18] <glenrock> it is to me!  the root of the problem
[19:19] <brainwash> bug 1016932
[19:21] <brainwash> so this issue hasn't been resolved yet
[19:24] <xubuntu823> have to get ready soon thanks for the info
[19:25] <brainwash> xubuntu823: thanks for your effort by providing this screencast :)
[19:25] <xubuntu823> thanks for all your work sir have a good one
[19:36] <shuerhaaken> brainwash: I added a comment to bug 1239018 . Disabling overlay-scrollbars seems to fix the issue.
[19:37] <brainwash> shuerhaaken: thanks
[19:37] <shuerhaaken> yw
[19:38] <brainwash> but I'm not sure if anyone will actually try to resolve this problem
[19:39] <shuerhaaken> brainwash: Yes. I see that comment "no longer affects: 	overlay-scrollbar (Ubuntu) "
[19:40] <brainwash> I don't think that overlay-scrollbar is the actual problem, there seems to be something wrong with the daemonize routine in many Xfce components
[19:41] <brainwash> they get stuck when sourcing the overlay scrollbar gtk module
[19:41] <shuerhaaken> difficult to debug, if it does not happen all the time
[19:42] <brainwash> I'll try to report this upstream and also mention it in #xfce-dev
[19:42] <shuerhaaken> ok
[23:19] <thestew> So I have a few different older computers that I have tried Xubuntu with. Only 2 of them have run it well, the others have performed horribly(even after installing all drivers they would still usually have unbearable graphics lag and take forever to just get on the internet), but all those computers have run excellently with both Lubuntu and Windows XP. Anyone know why this might be?
[23:27] <pleia2> xubuntu isn't as light as lubuntu, you really want lubuntu for older systems
[23:30] <Unit193> Pretty much, though what's the specs?
[23:32] <thestew> The specs for the computers that sucked with Xubuntu are:
[23:32] <thestew>  1(Intel Pentium 4 1.8GHz, 512MB RAM)    2(Intel Celeron 2.66GHz, 504MB RAM)     3(Intel Pentium 4 2GHz, 512MB RAM)
[23:32] <thestew> And a few other like those.
[23:33] <knome> 512MB memory is a bit short
[23:33] <Unit193> For at least the second two, as far as CPU it shouldn't be so bad, but ram is looow.
[23:33] <knome> you might get better results with a lighter browser
[23:34] <thestew> I was using chrome.
[23:34] <thestew> But for the 2nd computer, even playing videos would lag the whole computer.
[23:34] <Unit193> CPU~Single core Intel Pentium 4 CPU (-UP-) clocked at 2789.750 Mhz Kernel~3.10.20-u193 i686 Up~50 days Mem~1190.2/1955.1MB HDD~40.0GB(69.8% used) Procs~230 Client~Unknown : sshd inxi~1.9.18
[23:34] <Unit193> That uses Xubuntu.
[23:34] <knome> not sure if i'd call chrome lighter
[23:34] <Unit193> I sure wouldn't.
[23:34] <knome> also playing videos is really meh with lower end pc's
[23:35] <thestew> So I just assumed that Xubuntu would be less resource hungry than XP, but I was wrong, Correct?
[23:36] <knome> depends on the applications you are running
[23:36] <pleia2> correct, XP is a very old OS, Xubuntu is modern :)
[23:36] <knome> yes, and that too
[23:36] <thestew> Makes sense.
[23:36] <thestew> So could we rule out that it had some sort of compatability issues with the issues and was just their crappy hardware?
[23:36] <Unit193> Chrome won't be the best, it spawns a new process for each tab.  Lubuntu will do better than Xubuntu as far as ram, but browser will still be the hold up.
[23:37] <thestew> Those computers with Lubuntu run videos perfectly fine on Chrome, can even use multiple tabs to do stuff.
[23:37] <Unit193> "unbearable graphics lag" and taking forever to get on the internet generally aren't low ram problems, exactly.
[23:38] <thestew> I'd love to see if regular Ubuntu works well on any of them but I don't have any blank DVD's and they're too old to be able to boot with USB.