| mjrosenb | any operation that matches '^apt-get remove.*libc' is probably a bad idea. | 00:00 |
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| mjrosenb | uh-oh | 00:01 |
| mjrosenb | so installing libc6-armel-dbgsym failed because libc6:armel was already on the system | 00:02 |
| mjrosenb | but now apt is kind of stuck because it won't uninstall libc6:armel since another operation is pending | 00:02 |
| infinity | mjrosenb: Oh, didn't realise you had libc6:armel installed. Whee. | 00:03 |
| infinity | mjrosenb: You should be able to just "dpkg -P libc6:armel" unless other things depend on it. | 00:04 |
| mjrosenb | infinity: yeah, armel programs ran just fine, but I couldn't debug them without the debug symbols. | 00:04 |
| mjrosenb | infinity: a few things do, I'll nuke them with apt after libc6-armel-dbgsym is installed | 00:04 |
| infinity | While I normally recommend multiarch as the way and the light, it doesn't make much sense for armhf/armel, since we dropped armel more recently. | 00:04 |
| mjrosenb | infinity: I'm assuming this repo also has a libstdc++-armel-debugsym as well? | 00:05 |
| mjrosenb | infinity: incredibly annoying is the fact that on arch linux, an armel binary will load just fine | 00:05 |
| mjrosenb | and run great, unless you happen to be making library calls involving floats. | 00:06 |
| infinity | Well, I assume arch isn't armhg. | 00:06 |
| infinity | armhf* | 00:06 |
| mjrosenb | infinity: it is only armhf. | 00:06 |
| infinity | Then I call bullshit on armel binaries running. | 00:06 |
| infinity | Unless they install a full multilib setup. | 00:06 |
| mjrosenb | anyhow. dpkg failed because things depend on libc, I'm assuming I can just add those to the command line? | 00:06 |
| infinity | Which isn't "only armhf". | 00:06 |
| infinity | Or, you could not install libc6-armel, if you had things depending on libc6:armel | 00:07 |
| infinity | And instead install libc6-dbgsym:armel | 00:08 |
| * infinity shrugs. | 00:08 | |
| duoi | wookey, is it hardware accelerated? | 00:09 |
| wookey | infinity: 'testing a new strain of superheroine' sounds entertaining | 00:13 |
| infinity | wookey: With or without the spelling error? | 00:14 |
| wookey | well, either I guess but with is more wholesome | 00:14 |
| infinity | That depends on the testing... | 00:14 |
| wookey | we'd better stop this before someone points out that our project is full of casual sexism and bans us :-/ | 00:15 |
| infinity | wookey: I blame you. I was all about the hard drugs before you came along. | 00:16 |
| wookey | I've been to the pub. I blame drugs too | 00:17 |
| wookey | And now I need to write my talk for paris debconf | 00:17 |
| infinity | In French? | 00:18 |
| wookey | no | 00:26 |
| mjrosenb | libhfstdc++6-4.6-dbg-armel-cross | 00:52 |
| mjrosenb | what. | 00:52 |
| mjrosenb | infinity: is there a similar package for libstdc++, since I had to remove libstdc++ when I pulled out the old libc :-/ | 02:38 |
| infinity | mjrosenb: Erm, no. Like I said up there, if you have a bunch of stuff depending on that libc, maybe removing it isn't the sanest option., | 02:39 |
| infinity | mjrosenb: Though, really, why do you have so many armel binaries you care about? | 02:39 |
| mjrosenb | I have one. | 02:40 |
| mjrosenb | I'm debugging our javascript shell, and it is supposed to run on android, so in order to avoid the pain of debugging on android, I'm getting a linux enviroment as close as I can to android | 02:41 |
| mjrosenb | which is armel. | 02:41 |
| infinity | Might I suggest an armel chroot would be much less painful? | 02:41 |
| infinity | And perhaps a distro that still supports armel, like Debian. | 02:41 |
| infinity | debootstrap --arch=armel --variant=buildd sid my-sid-armel-chroot | 02:42 |
| mjrosenb | maybe I should just investigate installing debian fulltime on my boards :-/ | 02:42 |
| mjrosenb | I installed ubuntu on here *shortly* before ubuntu made the switch to armhf. | 02:43 |
| mjrosenb | https://wiki.debian.org/PandaBoard | 02:44 |
| mjrosenb | hahah | 02:44 |
| mjrosenb | Install instructions | 02:44 |
| mjrosenb | missing | 02:44 |
| infinity | Yeah, you're better off running an Ubuntu base on a Pandaboard. | 02:45 |
| infinity | But chroots are how I do all my development, using the base system to muck around in is usually asking for trouble anyway. | 02:45 |
| infinity | So, a Debian armel chroot on an Ubuntu armhf base is perfectly reasonable. | 02:45 |
| mjrosenb | yeah. I did this on a tegra already | 02:46 |
| mjrosenb | but that machine is just a *royal* pain to work with. | 02:46 |
| mjrosenb | if I can set up sshd to run inside the chroot, I *probably* don't care | 02:47 |
| mjrosenb | although, I think the thing that I like the least about it is the set of things that randomly don't work in the chroot | 02:47 |
| mjrosenb | iirc, oprofile works outside of the chroot, not inside of it. | 02:47 |
| * mjrosenb tries a chroot on the pandaboard | 02:48 | |
| infinity | There shouldn't be much of anything that doesn't work in the chroot, unless you miss mounting some filesystems. | 02:49 |
| infinity | (you'll want devpts, dev, sysfs, and proc) | 02:49 |
| mjrosenb | infinity: things that modprobe kernel modules are finnicky. | 02:49 |
| mjrosenb | since the host and target don't share the same kernel usually. | 02:49 |
| infinity | mjrosenb: Not if you install the same kernel deb in the chroot. ;) | 02:49 |
| infinity | mjrosenb: Or bindmount /lib/modules/$version into the chroot. | 02:50 |
| mjrosenb | yeah, I think one problem was it was a custom ubuntu from nvidia, and they had some packages that debian just did not know about. | 02:50 |
| mjrosenb | The program 'debootstrap' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: | 02:52 |
| mjrosenb | :-o | 02:52 |
| mjrosenb | I can't remember the last time I had to install debootstrap | 02:52 |
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