| ikonia | Jordan_U: had already warned you about insults | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ikonia | so lets not waste more time pretending you didn't know | 00:00 |
| Jordan_U | glundgren: Maybe it would be best for you to read through the guidelines carefully: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines and come back when you have a cooler head. | 00:01 |
| glundgren | Jordan_U: im cool, really hehe | 00:01 |
| ikonia | or alternativly come back when you have actually grown up to the point where you can speak to both male and females without being rude and abusive | 00:02 |
| ikonia | I find your atittude towards "males" just offensive | 00:02 |
| ikonia | and totally incopatible with the ubuntu channel | 00:02 |
| glundgren | its hte way ikonia talks, its very... arrogant you know | 00:03 |
| ikonia | sorry - I'm just being clear as you have a language problem | 00:03 |
| ikonia | remember English isn't your first language, so I'm just being %100 clear | 00:03 |
| glundgren | ikonia: ok, lets put a stone over it | 00:03 |
| ikonia | I don't know what that means, sorry | 00:04 |
| glundgren | ikonia: hehehe here we say it when we want to ... how can is ay, burry a topic | 00:04 |
| glundgren | and forget the fight | 00:04 |
| ikonia | I have no interest in burying the topic, as I've said, I find your whole attitude towards people offensive | 00:04 |
| ikonia | I'll leave this discussion there | 00:05 |
| glundgren | Jordan_U: you see... | 00:05 |
| glundgren | ikonia: ok, please, dont cry... im sorry, you just ask for this | 00:05 |
| glundgren | im leaving guys | 00:05 |
| glundgren | hehe | 00:05 |
| glundgren | bye | 00:05 |
| glundgren | i apologise, try to fix things up | 00:06 |
| glundgren | and the guy keeps doing the same thing, at least he is very consistent | 00:06 |
| IdleOne | glundgren: have you read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines ? | 00:06 |
| glundgren | IdleOne: not yet | 00:07 |
| IdleOne | Please do so. | 00:07 |
| glundgren | keep all the Ubuntu IRC channels friendly places for everyone. | 00:08 |
| glundgren | i was not talking dirty language | 00:08 |
| glundgren | nothing, i didnt even talked to ikonia | 00:08 |
| glundgren | and he started saying that i was dumb, that i didnt know what i was doing, etc | 00:09 |
| glundgren | IT, for me is abusive | 00:09 |
| glundgren | he didnt said dumb, for sure, but he knows what he was doing in a way | 00:09 |
| glundgren | that will be interpreted as it | 00:09 |
| knome | glundgren, you are turning this discussion to ikonia; if you want to resolve *your* ban, let's focus what you can do to affect your behavior | 00:10 |
| glundgren | well i've read the guidelines | 00:10 |
| glundgren | my bad was swearing | 00:11 |
| glundgren | apologise for that, and understand why it is an issue | 00:11 |
| glundgren | there are people that can be offended by it | 00:11 |
| glundgren | understood | 00:12 |
| glundgren | but how can i fill a complaint about an op behaviour? | 00:12 |
| glundgren | i think ubuntu is an official channel of canonical, right? | 00:12 |
| glundgren | and as a user, i didnt get it at first, but now | 00:12 |
| glundgren | i want to make a complaint about ikonia | 00:13 |
| glundgren | where can i do it? | 00:13 |
| IdleOne | I didn't see ikonia do anything that could be considered abusive | 00:13 |
| glundgren | you saw what he told me in the channel? | 00:13 |
| IdleOne | yes | 00:13 |
| glundgren | what he told me? | 00:14 |
| IdleOne | yes | 00:14 |
| glundgren | what he said? | 00:14 |
| IdleOne | Please don't talk to me like I am stupid. I said yes. | 00:14 |
| glundgren | i want you to please, copy and paste, if possible | 00:15 |
| glundgren | what he told me, because i dont have access | 00:15 |
| IdleOne | I don't need to. I am in the channel. | 00:15 |
| IdleOne | !logs | 00:15 |
| ubottu | Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too. | 00:15 |
| IdleOne | but I think we are going to end this here for today. You can come back in 24 hours and we can discuss removing the ban then. | 00:16 |
| IdleOne | @mark glundgren discuss ban removal in 24 hours. | 00:17 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 00:17 |
| IdleOne | glundgren: Please part the channel now. | 00:17 |
| glundgren | idle: this channel? | 00:18 |
| glundgren | [22:59] <ikonia> glundgren: it seems unlikely you can restore data if you don't know how to remove a directory | 00:18 |
| glundgren | [23:01] <ikonia> glundgren: as you don't know the command to delete a directory it seems unlikley that you should be managing this system, let alone trying to restore data | 00:19 |
| glundgren | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d84a0c4a5d7eeb51b70b | 00:19 |
| glundgren | here, it for me was abusive | 00:19 |
| glundgren | where can i make a complaint? | 00:19 |
| IdleOne | that was perhaps brutally honest, not abusive | 00:20 |
| glundgren | well | 00:20 |
| glundgren | for me what i said was not abusive either... | 00:20 |
| glundgren | since he told me this things | 00:20 |
| IdleOne | !appeals | you can send an email to the Ubuntu IRC Council if you wish to complain about an op | 00:20 |
| ubottu | you can send an email to the Ubuntu IRC Council if you wish to complain about an op: If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page. | 00:20 |
| IdleOne | even to send compliments! | 00:20 |
| glundgren | for sure im doing this | 00:21 |
| glundgren | and its better for ikonia watch his mouth from now on | 00:21 |
| IdleOne | ok, so threats are not acceptable | 00:22 |
| glundgren | threat? | 00:22 |
| IdleOne | yes. | 00:22 |
| glundgren | im saying this as he have to respect customers | 00:22 |
| glundgren | not as im doing anything | 00:22 |
| elky | Customer? | 00:23 |
| IdleOne | and you need to respect all the users and ops in #ubuntu* | 00:23 |
| glundgren | yeah, althought its a free product, a user is considered a customer | 00:23 |
| knome | we're not progressing; this is again turning towards ik onia, so let's end the discussion | 00:23 |
| glundgren | IdleOne: now i read the guidelines, im aware | 00:23 |
| IdleOne | anyway, you have the email address. Please part this channel. | 00:24 |
| elky | glundgren: we are not the dispensaries of ubunut. We volunteer time to help people. We get to choose when we stop helping. | 00:24 |
| elky | ubuntu* | 00:24 |
| glundgren | elky: i understand that, but you guys are under the ubuntu ubrella | 00:24 |
| glundgren | elky: i was talking friendly, manly, i am used to, it was not a deal for me, really | 00:24 |
| IdleOne | glundgren: and when you enter our channels, we hold the umbrella. | 00:25 |
| IdleOne | if you don't want to get wet, you need to be nice and follow the rules | 00:25 |
| glundgren | IdleOne: yeah, i was banned, i understand that i was not being true to the guidelines | 00:25 |
| IdleOne | great, so I'll see you in 24 hours and we can talk about you being unbanned | 00:25 |
| glundgren | IdleOne: really, it was my first time asking for help in the channel | 00:26 |
| IdleOne | yes really | 00:26 |
| glundgren | is unfair what you guyr are doing, just saying | 00:27 |
| glundgren | im not a flooder, or entered the channel menacing anyone, i was just looking for help | 00:28 |
| IdleOne | we can talk about that in 24 hours. Please leave the channel now or I'll be forced to remove you which will only make it harder for you to get unbanned | 00:28 |
| elky | glundgren: if you walked in to a store where you actually pay money and swore at the people serving you. What would happen? | 00:31 |
| glundgren | elky: the logs shows, i didnt started being abusive | 00:31 |
| elky | <glundgren> god, please, i've sinned... i spoke dirty language in the #ubuntu channel, forgive me | 00:32 |
| glundgren | elky: i was joking around... | 00:32 |
| glundgren | IdleOne: can i talk with elky? | 00:33 |
| elky | i'm not going to pass verdict either way | 00:34 |
| elky | so your discussion would be for naught. we'll need the channel clear for other people soon | 00:35 |
| glundgren | elky: i know, but please read the logs, you will see that i didnt started anything | 00:35 |
| glundgren | i just want to show this | 00:35 |
| elky | My silence does not mean you should start petitioning me in PM. | 00:39 |
| glundgren | oh guys, im talking with robots, im not petitioning anything | 00:39 |
| glundgren | im just talking... | 00:40 |
| glundgren | ok, i will leave | 00:40 |
| IdleOne | beep bop bloop | 00:40 |
| elky | So synopsis: Ikonia stepped out of helping him, so he kept poking at ikonia and called him a freak. He was told to stop using personal insults, then started swearing and trying to insult ikona more ("get a girlfriend"). Then insists he didn't start anything. | 00:44 |
| elky | did i miss anything significant? | 00:44 |
| IdleOne | not really | 00:46 |
| Corey | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 00:50 |
| Jordan_U | elky: Well, in addition to stepping out of helping them, ikonia did tell them that they were not qualified for their job (administering the server in question) which they took as a personal insult. You can decide if that's significant or not. | 02:13 |
| === Corey_ is now known as Corey | ||
| Calinou | banned from #xubuntu? | 20:25 |
| Calinou | I did nothing wrong | 20:25 |
| Calinou | <Calinou> banned from #xubuntu? | 21:04 |
| Calinou | <Calinou> I did nothing wrong | 21:04 |
| bazhang | <Calinou> consider using non-LTS whenever possible... | 21:06 |
| Calinou | ??? | 21:06 |
| Calinou | I didn't insult them or anything | 21:06 |
| bazhang | you were asked not to give that sort of advice | 21:06 |
| Calinou | do you have something personal against me? | 21:06 |
| bazhang | I am merely answering | 21:07 |
| LjL | considering how many times i've seen your nick mentioned, a few people here probably do by now ;( | 21:07 |
| Calinou | can you stop having personal things, and unban me? | 21:07 |
| Calinou | I won't do it again if you're so much against people | 21:07 |
| bazhang | not personal | 21:07 |
| Calinou | also, why deny that LTS works better in some cases? | 21:07 |
| Calinou | especially desktop? | 21:08 |
| bazhang | and saying that it's personal fails to see how that sort of advice is not welcome | 21:08 |
| bazhang | you were banned from #ubuntu , and asked not to give that sort of advice | 21:09 |
| bazhang | and then took it to #xubuntu and continued | 21:09 |
| Calinou | so we can't suggest people to use another version? | 21:09 |
| Calinou | what is this | 21:09 |
| bazhang | ? | 21:10 |
| Calinou | if someone wants a package only in a non-LTS, and suggest use of non-LTS, do they get permanently banned? | 21:10 |
| Calinou | why are you acting like Mortvert? | 21:10 |
| IdleOne | What is a Mortvert? | 21:11 |
| Calinou | some idiotic op from #minecraft | 21:11 |
| Calinou | permbanned me | 21:11 |
| Calinou | (real permban) | 21:11 |
| IdleOne | ah. always the op | 21:12 |
| Calinou | not all of them are idiotic | 21:12 |
| Calinou | but some are | 21:12 |
| IdleOne | I think it would be best if you found some other forum/channels to "help" in. | 21:16 |
| Calinou | I do | 21:17 |
| Calinou | but, what if I have support question? | 21:17 |
| Calinou | permbanning people in support channels is STUPID | 21:17 |
| Myrtti | who said it was a permban? we do review the bans every now and then | 21:17 |
| Myrtti | some are even autoremoved | 21:18 |
| IdleOne | there is also askubunt.com | 21:18 |
| IdleOne | askubuntu.com * | 21:18 |
| Calinou | it IS permban | 21:18 |
| Calinou | it was confirmed a few days ago by some other op | 21:18 |
| Myrtti | and the ops aren't a hive mind, it can be revoked by another op | 21:19 |
| Calinou | never happened, noone bothered doing it | 21:19 |
| Myrtti | the question is will it, by whom, and when | 21:19 |
| Calinou | so, it doesn't exist | 21:19 |
| IdleOne | technically all bans are permanent, until they are no longer permanent. | 21:19 |
| Calinou | yes | 21:19 |
| jbroome | that was deep | 21:19 |
| LjL | we've always been at war with eurasia | 21:19 |
| Myrtti | ceterum censeo Carthago esse delendam | 21:19 |
| Myrtti | (no don't spank me!) | 21:20 |
| Myrtti | I know my Latin sucks. | 21:20 |
| IdleOne | Calinou: At this time the bans will remain in place. Was there anything else we can help you with? | 21:20 |
| Calinou | no... | 21:21 |
| Calinou | let's hope my buntu installs work | 21:21 |
| IdleOne | Oakfeather: How can we help you? | 21:21 |
| Oakfeather | IdleOne, oh, I was just observing the Calinou dispute | 21:22 |
| Oakfeather | so, nothing. | 21:22 |
| IdleOne | Well, that is over for now. Have a nice day. | 21:22 |
| Oakfeather | You too | 21:22 |
| elky | Oakfeather: no. | 21:22 |
| jbroome | i didn't see them join or i would have nudged | 21:23 |
| Oakfeather | elky: What is it? | 21:28 |
| elky | Oakfeather: don't be like calinou. | 21:28 |
| Oakfeather | In what way? | 21:28 |
| LjL | banned? | 21:29 |
| Oakfeather | lol | 21:29 |
| elky | you're here. don't do that for a start. don't be a troll. don't spectate trolls. | 21:29 |
| LjL | (was a guess!) | 21:29 |
| Oakfeather | I wasn't intending to say anything, I was just wondering what was being argued. | 21:30 |
| elky | Oakfeather: don't spectate trolls. | 21:30 |
| elky | I'd hate to add another person to my wolfgame "who to target on n1" list. | 21:31 |
| Oakfeather | lol | 21:31 |
| Oakfeather | Calinou is my friend so I just wanted to look so I knew what he was talking about | 21:31 |
| Oakfeather | But anyway I won't come on again | 21:31 |
| jbroome | mosey along | 21:32 |
| Oakfeather | See ya | 21:32 |
| elky | they are so on that list. | 21:32 |
| Myrtti | the one elky sends lumps of coal to? | 21:34 |
| elky | <elky> I'd hate to add another person to my wolfgame "who to target on n1" list. | 21:34 |
| IdleOne | I bet I'm on that list | 21:35 |
| elky | you don't play wolfgame, so no | 21:35 |
| IdleOne | I should be on that list. | 21:35 |
| IdleOne | I have played wolfgame but I had to stop because rww hated being my first target all the time | 21:36 |
| elky | yeah games stop being fun when you can't play them. | 21:37 |
| elky | typing "!join" over and over is unfun | 21:37 |
| Tubby | Hi | 22:45 |
| Tubby | !ops | ^_^ | 22:46 |
| ubottu | ^_^: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler! | 22:46 |
| ubottu | Tubby called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (^_^) | 22:46 |
| Tubby | whats up homies | 22:46 |
| hggdh | hey Tubby, how is Jesus doing? | 22:47 |
| Tubby | hes in heaven | 22:47 |
| Tubby | not sure | 22:47 |
| Tubby | he is coming back to destroy the wicked(people outside the catholic church) | 22:48 |
| hggdh | Tubby: I would be afraid if I were to be Christian | 22:48 |
| Tubby | fear of god = wisdom | 22:48 |
| hggdh | since I am not, I do not care | 22:48 |
| elky | living without being made to be scared of everything is kinda nice | 22:49 |
| Tubby | if that dosent change you will Burn forever | 22:49 |
| Myrtti | so, how's knitting going, Tubby? | 22:50 |
| Myrtti | Minecraft? | 22:50 |
| Myrtti | watching tv? | 22:51 |
| Tubby | LOL | 22:51 |
| Tubby | bible | 22:51 |
| Tubby | catholic church | 22:51 |
| Myrtti | nah. | 22:51 |
| Tubby | you have a god of your own imagination you will perish if you dont repent | 22:52 |
| Myrtti | wat? | 22:52 |
| Myrtti | that didn't make any sense | 22:52 |
| Tubby | athiest? | 22:52 |
| Myrtti | are you getting enough attention btw? | 22:52 |
| Myrtti | good. | 22:52 |
| elky | Myrtti: false idols etc i think. like if someone wrote a book and people worshipped the protagonist. | 22:52 |
| * Myrtti strokes Tubby's head | 22:52 | |
| Myrtti | run along now, dear | 22:53 |
| Myrtti | you've had your fun. | 22:53 |
| Tubby | !ops | REPENT | 22:53 |
| Tubby | !staff | Repent | 22:53 |
| Tubby | !ops | 22:53 |
| Tubby | !staff | 22:53 |
| Tubby | ban me | 22:53 |
| elky | oh dear, it looks like the bot ignores you | 22:53 |
| Tubby | elky: duh | 22:53 |
| Myrtti | awwww, someone took the toy away | 22:53 |
| Myrtti | :-( | 22:54 |
| Tubby | elky: now ban me like you always do | 22:54 |
| Myrtti | it was me ^______^ | 22:54 |
| Myrtti | seriously though | 22:54 |
| Myrtti | knock it off | 22:54 |
| Tubby | http://www.dreamwidth.org/userpic/398424/466265 | 22:54 |
| Tubby | kind of hot elky | 22:54 |
| elky | many creepy, wow, much stalker | 22:55 |
| Myrtti | so skillful | 22:55 |
| Tubby | simple | 22:55 |
| Tubby | in google | 22:55 |
| Tubby | "elky" "ubuntu" | 22:55 |
| Myrtti | in google "doge" "meme" | 22:55 |
| elky | you're the first to figure that out, congratulations. | 22:56 |
| * Myrtti sticks a golden star sticker on Tubby's shirt | 22:56 | |
| * Tubby tubby shoves that golden star sticker up his ass | 22:56 | |
| Myrtti | charming. | 22:57 |
| elky | the bible allows that kind of thing now? | 22:58 |
| Tubby | ? | 22:58 |
| Tubby | !ops | ^_^ | 22:59 |
| hggdh | it does! | 23:00 |
| Tubby | why | 23:00 |
| hggdh | how would I know? | 23:00 |
| LjL | nej | 23:00 |
| LjL | i Bibeln står det skrivet, det är bögarnas fel | 23:01 |
| Myrtti | nini sweeties | 23:27 |
| ikonia | repent | 23:27 |
| Myrtti | hark! | 23:27 |
| hggdh | can I re-paint, instead? | 23:32 |
| topyli | feel free. but mind. you can only put dark on light. you can't turn black into pink! | 23:37 |
| hggdh | hum. A goal, after all. | 23:44 |
| * hggdh goes trying to transform black in pink overtones | 23:44 | |
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