[00:00] <ikonia> Jordan_U: had already warned you about insults
[00:00] <ikonia> so lets not waste more time pretending you didn't know
[00:01] <Jordan_U> glundgren: Maybe it would be best for you to read through the guidelines carefully: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines and come back when you have a cooler head.
[00:01] <glundgren> Jordan_U: im cool, really hehe
[00:02] <ikonia> or alternativly come back when you have actually grown up to the point where you can speak to both male and females without being rude and abusive
[00:02] <ikonia> I find your atittude towards "males" just offensive
[00:02] <ikonia> and totally incopatible with the ubuntu channel
[00:03] <glundgren> its hte way ikonia talks, its very... arrogant you know
[00:03] <ikonia> sorry - I'm just being clear as you have a language problem
[00:03] <ikonia> remember English isn't your first language, so I'm just being %100 clear
[00:03] <glundgren> ikonia: ok, lets put a stone over it
[00:04] <ikonia> I don't know what that means, sorry
[00:04] <glundgren> ikonia: hehehe here we say it when we want to ... how can is ay, burry a topic
[00:04] <glundgren> and forget the fight
[00:04] <ikonia> I have no interest in burying the topic, as I've said, I find your whole attitude towards people offensive
[00:05] <ikonia> I'll leave this discussion there
[00:05] <glundgren> Jordan_U: you see...
[00:05] <glundgren> ikonia: ok, please, dont cry... im sorry, you just ask for this
[00:05] <glundgren> im leaving guys
[00:05] <glundgren> hehe
[00:05] <glundgren> bye
[00:06] <glundgren> i apologise, try to fix things up
[00:06] <glundgren> and the guy keeps doing the same thing, at least he is very consistent
[00:06] <IdleOne> glundgren: have you read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines ?
[00:07] <glundgren> IdleOne: not yet
[00:07] <IdleOne> Please do so.
[00:08] <glundgren>  keep all the Ubuntu IRC channels friendly places for everyone.
[00:08] <glundgren> i was not talking dirty language
[00:08] <glundgren> nothing, i didnt even talked to ikonia
[00:09] <glundgren> and he started saying that i was dumb, that i didnt know what i was doing, etc
[00:09] <glundgren> IT, for me is abusive
[00:09] <glundgren> he didnt said dumb, for sure, but he knows what he was doing in a way
[00:09] <glundgren> that will be interpreted as it
[00:10] <knome> glundgren, you are turning this discussion to ikonia; if you want to resolve *your* ban, let's focus what you can do to affect your behavior
[00:10] <glundgren> well i've read the guidelines
[00:11] <glundgren> my bad was swearing
[00:11] <glundgren> apologise for that, and understand why it is an issue
[00:11] <glundgren> there are people that can be offended by it
[00:12] <glundgren> understood
[00:12] <glundgren> but how can i fill a complaint about an op behaviour?
[00:12] <glundgren> i think ubuntu is an official channel of canonical, right?
[00:12] <glundgren> and as a user, i didnt get it at first, but now
[00:13] <glundgren> i want to make a complaint about ikonia
[00:13] <glundgren> where can i do it?
[00:13] <IdleOne> I didn't see ikonia do anything that could be considered abusive
[00:13] <glundgren> you saw what he told me in the channel?
[00:13] <IdleOne> yes
[00:14] <glundgren> what he told me?
[00:14] <IdleOne> yes
[00:14] <glundgren> what he said?
[00:14] <IdleOne> Please don't talk to me like I am stupid. I said yes.
[00:15] <glundgren> i want you to please, copy and paste, if possible
[00:15] <glundgren> what he told me, because i dont have access
[00:15] <IdleOne> I don't need to. I am in the channel.
[00:15] <IdleOne> !logs
[00:16] <IdleOne> but I think we are going to end this here for today. You can come back in 24 hours and we can discuss removing the ban then.
[00:17] <IdleOne> @mark glundgren discuss ban removal in 24 hours.
[00:17] <IdleOne> glundgren: Please part the channel now.
[00:18] <glundgren> idle: this channel?
[00:18] <glundgren> [22:59] <ikonia> glundgren: it seems unlikely you can restore data if you don't know how to remove a directory
[00:19] <glundgren> [23:01] <ikonia> glundgren: as you don't know the command to delete a directory it seems unlikley that you should be managing this system, let alone trying to restore data
[00:19] <glundgren> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d84a0c4a5d7eeb51b70b
[00:19] <glundgren> here, it for me was abusive
[00:19] <glundgren> where can i make a complaint?
[00:20] <IdleOne> that was perhaps brutally honest, not abusive
[00:20] <glundgren> well
[00:20] <glundgren> for me what i said was not abusive either...
[00:20] <glundgren> since he told me this things
[00:20] <IdleOne> !appeals | you can send an email to the Ubuntu IRC Council if you wish to complain about an op
[00:20] <IdleOne> even to send compliments!
[00:21] <glundgren> for sure im doing this
[00:21] <glundgren> and its better for ikonia watch his mouth from now on
[00:22] <IdleOne> ok, so threats are not acceptable
[00:22] <glundgren> threat?
[00:22] <IdleOne> yes.
[00:22] <glundgren> im saying this as he have to respect customers
[00:22] <glundgren> not as im doing anything
[00:23] <elky> Customer?
[00:23] <IdleOne> and you need to respect all the users and ops in #ubuntu*
[00:23] <glundgren> yeah, althought its a free product, a user is considered a customer
[00:23] <knome> we're not progressing; this is again turning towards ik onia, so let's end the discussion
[00:23] <glundgren> IdleOne: now i read the guidelines, im aware
[00:24] <IdleOne> anyway, you have the email address. Please part this channel.
[00:24] <elky> glundgren: we are not the dispensaries of ubunut. We volunteer time to help people. We get to choose when we stop helping.
[00:24] <elky> ubuntu*
[00:24] <glundgren> elky: i understand that, but you guys are under the ubuntu ubrella
[00:24] <glundgren> elky: i was talking friendly, manly, i am used to, it was not a deal for me, really
[00:25] <IdleOne> glundgren: and when you enter our channels, we hold the umbrella.
[00:25] <IdleOne> if you don't want to get wet, you need to be nice and follow the rules
[00:25] <glundgren> IdleOne: yeah, i was banned, i understand that i was not being true to the guidelines
[00:25] <IdleOne> great, so I'll see you in 24 hours and we can talk about you being unbanned
[00:26] <glundgren> IdleOne: really, it was my first time asking for help in the channel
[00:26] <IdleOne> yes really
[00:27] <glundgren> is unfair what you guyr are doing, just saying
[00:28] <glundgren> im not a flooder, or entered the channel menacing anyone, i was just looking for help
[00:28] <IdleOne> we can talk about that in 24 hours. Please leave the channel now or I'll be forced to remove you which will only make it harder for you to get unbanned
[00:31] <elky> glundgren: if you walked in to a store where you actually pay money and swore at the people serving you. What would happen?
[00:31] <glundgren> elky: the logs shows, i didnt started being abusive
 god, please, i've sinned... i spoke dirty language in the #ubuntu channel, forgive me
[00:32] <glundgren> elky: i was joking around...
[00:33] <glundgren> IdleOne: can i talk with elky?
[00:34] <elky> i'm not going to pass verdict either way
[00:35] <elky> so your discussion would be for naught. we'll need the channel clear for other people soon
[00:35] <glundgren> elky: i know, but please read the logs, you will see that i didnt started anything
[00:35] <glundgren> i just want to show this
[00:39] <elky> My silence does not mean you should start petitioning me in PM.
[00:39] <glundgren> oh guys, im talking with robots, im not petitioning anything
[00:40] <glundgren> im just talking...
[00:40] <glundgren> ok, i will leave
[00:40] <IdleOne> beep bop bloop
[00:44] <elky> So synopsis: Ikonia stepped out of helping him, so he kept poking at ikonia and called him a freak. He was told to stop using personal insults, then started swearing and trying to insult ikona more ("get a girlfriend"). Then insists he didn't start anything.
[00:44] <elky> did i miss anything significant?
[00:46] <IdleOne> not really
[00:50] <Corey> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[02:13] <Jordan_U> elky: Well, in addition to stepping out of helping them, ikonia did tell them that they were not qualified for their job (administering the server in question) which they took as a personal insult. You can decide if that's significant or not.
[20:25] <Calinou> banned from #xubuntu?
[20:25] <Calinou> I did nothing wrong
 banned from #xubuntu?
 I did nothing wrong
 consider using non-LTS whenever possible...
[21:06] <Calinou> ???
[21:06] <Calinou> I didn't insult them or anything
[21:06] <bazhang> you were asked not to give that sort of advice
[21:06] <Calinou> do you have something personal against me?
[21:07] <bazhang> I am merely answering
[21:07] <LjL> considering how many times i've seen your nick mentioned, a few people here probably do by now ;(
[21:07] <Calinou> can you stop having personal things, and unban me?
[21:07] <Calinou> I won't do it again if you're so much against people
[21:07] <bazhang> not personal
[21:07] <Calinou> also, why deny that LTS works better in some cases?
[21:08] <Calinou> especially desktop?
[21:08] <bazhang> and saying that it's personal fails to see how that sort of advice is not welcome
[21:09] <bazhang> you were banned from #ubuntu , and asked not to give that sort of advice
[21:09] <bazhang> and then took it to #xubuntu and continued
[21:09] <Calinou> so we can't suggest people to use another version?
[21:09] <Calinou> what is this
[21:10] <bazhang> ?
[21:10] <Calinou> if someone wants a package only in a non-LTS, and suggest use of non-LTS, do they get permanently banned?
[21:10] <Calinou> why are you acting like Mortvert?
[21:11] <IdleOne> What is a Mortvert?
[21:11] <Calinou> some idiotic op from #minecraft
[21:11] <Calinou> permbanned me
[21:11] <Calinou> (real permban)
[21:12] <IdleOne> ah. always the op
[21:12] <Calinou> not all of them are idiotic
[21:12] <Calinou> but some are
[21:16] <IdleOne> I think it would be best if you found some other forum/channels to "help" in.
[21:17] <Calinou> I do
[21:17] <Calinou> but, what if I have support question?
[21:17] <Calinou> permbanning people in support channels is STUPID
[21:17] <Myrtti> who said it was a permban? we do review the bans every now and then
[21:18] <Myrtti> some are even autoremoved
[21:18] <IdleOne> there is also askubunt.com
[21:18] <IdleOne> askubuntu.com *
[21:18] <Calinou> it IS permban
[21:18] <Calinou> it was confirmed a few days ago by some other op
[21:19] <Myrtti> and the ops aren't a hive mind, it can be revoked by another op
[21:19] <Calinou> never happened, noone bothered doing it
[21:19] <Myrtti> the question is will it, by whom, and when
[21:19] <Calinou> so, it doesn't exist
[21:19] <IdleOne> technically all bans are permanent, until they are no longer permanent.
[21:19] <Calinou> yes
[21:19] <jbroome> that was deep
[21:19] <LjL> we've always been at war with eurasia
[21:19] <Myrtti> ceterum censeo Carthago esse delendam
[21:20] <Myrtti> (no don't spank me!)
[21:20] <Myrtti> I know my Latin sucks.
[21:20] <IdleOne> Calinou: At this time the bans will remain in place. Was there anything else we can help you with?
[21:21] <Calinou> no...
[21:21] <Calinou> let's hope my buntu installs work
[21:21] <IdleOne> Oakfeather: How can we help you?
[21:22] <Oakfeather> IdleOne, oh, I was just observing the Calinou dispute
[21:22] <Oakfeather> so, nothing.
[21:22] <IdleOne> Well, that is over for now. Have a nice day.
[21:22] <Oakfeather> You too
[21:22] <elky> Oakfeather: no.
[21:23] <jbroome> i didn't see them join or i would have nudged
[21:28] <Oakfeather> elky: What is it?
[21:28] <elky> Oakfeather: don't be like calinou.
[21:28] <Oakfeather> In what way?
[21:29] <LjL> banned?
[21:29] <Oakfeather> lol
[21:29] <elky> you're here. don't do that for a start. don't be a troll. don't spectate trolls.
[21:29] <LjL> (was a guess!)
[21:30] <Oakfeather> I wasn't intending to say anything, I was just wondering what was being argued.
[21:30] <elky> Oakfeather: don't spectate trolls.
[21:31] <elky> I'd hate to add another person to my wolfgame "who to target on n1" list.
[21:31] <Oakfeather> lol
[21:31] <Oakfeather> Calinou is my friend so I just wanted to look so I knew what he was talking about
[21:31] <Oakfeather> But anyway I won't come on again
[21:32] <jbroome> mosey along
[21:32] <Oakfeather> See ya
[21:32] <elky> they are so on that list.
[21:34] <Myrtti> the one elky sends lumps of coal to?
 I'd hate to add another person to my wolfgame "who to target on n1" list.
[21:35] <IdleOne> I bet I'm on that list
[21:35] <elky> you don't play wolfgame, so no
[21:35] <IdleOne> I should be on that list.
[21:36] <IdleOne> I have played wolfgame but I had to stop because rww hated being my first target all the time
[21:37] <elky> yeah games stop being fun when you can't play them.
[21:37] <elky> typing "!join" over and over is unfun
[22:45] <Tubby> Hi
[22:46] <Tubby> !ops | ^_^
[22:46] <Tubby> whats up homies
[22:47] <hggdh> hey Tubby, how is Jesus doing?
[22:47] <Tubby> hes in heaven
[22:47] <Tubby> not sure
[22:48] <Tubby> he is coming back to destroy the wicked(people outside the catholic church)
[22:48] <hggdh> Tubby: I would be afraid if I were to be Christian
[22:48] <Tubby> fear of god = wisdom
[22:48] <hggdh> since I am not, I do not care
[22:49] <elky> living without being made to be scared of everything is kinda nice
[22:49] <Tubby> if that dosent change you will Burn forever
[22:50] <Myrtti> so, how's knitting going, Tubby?
[22:50] <Myrtti> Minecraft?
[22:51] <Myrtti> watching tv?
[22:51] <Tubby> LOL
[22:51] <Tubby> bible
[22:51] <Tubby> catholic church
[22:51] <Myrtti> nah.
[22:52] <Tubby> you have a god of your own imagination you will perish if you dont repent
[22:52] <Myrtti> wat?
[22:52] <Myrtti> that didn't make any sense
[22:52] <Tubby> athiest?
[22:52] <Myrtti> are you getting enough attention btw?
[22:52] <Myrtti> good.
[22:52] <elky> Myrtti: false idols etc i think. like if someone wrote a book and people worshipped the protagonist.
[22:52]  * Myrtti strokes Tubby's head
[22:53] <Myrtti> run along now, dear
[22:53] <Myrtti> you've had your fun.
[22:53] <Tubby> !ops | REPENT
[22:53] <Tubby> !staff | Repent
[22:53] <Tubby> !ops
[22:53] <Tubby> !staff
[22:53] <Tubby> ban me
[22:53] <elky> oh dear, it looks like the bot ignores you
[22:53] <Tubby> elky: duh
[22:53] <Myrtti> awwww, someone took the toy away
[22:54] <Myrtti> :-(
[22:54] <Tubby> elky:  now ban me like you always do
[22:54] <Myrtti> it was me ^______^
[22:54] <Myrtti> seriously though
[22:54] <Myrtti> knock it off
[22:54] <Tubby> http://www.dreamwidth.org/userpic/398424/466265
[22:54] <Tubby> kind of hot elky
[22:55] <elky> many creepy, wow, much stalker
[22:55] <Myrtti> so skillful
[22:55] <Tubby> simple
[22:55] <Tubby> in google
[22:55] <Tubby> "elky" "ubuntu"
[22:55] <Myrtti> in google "doge" "meme"
[22:56] <elky> you're the first to figure that out, congratulations.
[22:56]  * Myrtti sticks a golden star sticker on Tubby's shirt
[22:56]  * Tubby tubby shoves that golden star sticker up his ass
[22:57] <Myrtti> charming.
[22:58] <elky> the bible allows that kind of thing now?
[22:58] <Tubby> ?
[22:59] <Tubby> !ops | ^_^
[23:00] <hggdh> it does!
[23:00] <Tubby> why
[23:00] <hggdh> how would I know?
[23:00] <LjL> nej
[23:01] <LjL> i Bibeln står det skrivet, det är bögarnas fel
[23:27] <Myrtti> nini sweeties
[23:27] <ikonia> repent
[23:27] <Myrtti> hark!
[23:32] <hggdh> can I re-paint, instead?
[23:37] <topyli> feel free. but mind. you can only put dark on light. you can't turn black into pink!
[23:44] <hggdh> hum. A goal, after all.
[23:44]  * hggdh goes trying to transform black in pink overtones