[00:08] <blz> maxb, when you say "graphical installer" are you referring to ubiquity?
[00:09] <blz> maxb, becaues I have a curses/console installer here
[00:10] <maxb> Oh, I see. I thought you were using the ubiquity partitioner
[00:10] <blz> maxb, haha nope.  Just the white-text-on-purple one
[01:30] <blz> ikonia, maxb  if you're still around, I'm getting that same error again
[01:31] <blz> despite having created the RAID1 + 1 /boot partition
[05:32] <brightbeat> anyone in here?
[05:32] <holstein> brightbeat: many are here.. ask if you have a question
[05:32] <brightbeat>  Hey ALL]
[05:34] <brightbeat> I followed this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/automatic-updates.html , but I don't have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic that file. Can someone help?
[05:35] <brightbeat> I'm on Ubuntu 12.04
[05:35] <holstein> i know i dont like automatic updates.. but, asuming you are runing the same version, and you know how to remove that file if things go wrong, you can just put one in placce and test
[05:36] <brightbeat> holstein: you didn't understand me, after installing that package, I didn't have that file. How will I make automatic updates work, without it?
[05:36] <holstein> brightbeat: put it there
[05:37] <brightbeat> holstein: why the hell it's not there?
[05:37] <holstein> brightbeat: as long as you have the same version as mentioned in the guide, and you know how to remove it, if it breaks something
[05:37] <brightbeat> holstein: yes, the version is the same, maybe it's a typo in the manual? they just copied from the previous version and something has changed in this one?
[05:38] <holstein> brightbeat: or, maybe you just need to put it in place
[05:38] <brightbeat> holstein: have you read the link I posted you? it says it should be there
[05:38] <holstein> brightbeat: ok.. well, you say its not. have you tried making it? and testing with the one you make?
[05:39] <holstein> what *is* there?
[05:39] <brightbeat> holstein: files except that file
[05:40] <holstein> ah.. good ol files.. well, you should try putting that one im place and test
[05:41] <brightbeat> are there any ppl in here who make Ubuntu Server 12.04?
[05:41] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates is what i referred to to disable auto-updates
[05:42] <brightbeat> holstein: thanks, that may actually help
[05:42] <brightbeat> I didn't run that command to enable it
[05:42] <holstein> brightbeat: i didnt either
[05:43] <holstein> brightbeat: i did it during the install.. and i'll never do it again, so its not a problem or concern anymore
[05:45] <brightbeat> holstein: so you don't like automatic updates, why?
[05:46] <holstein> brightbeat: like? i mean, i dont feel like or dislike.. im just not interested in them running automatically. best case, an auto update doesnt break anything. why bother with the risk? why not just do it when im ready.. also on my schedule
[05:47] <brightbeat> holstein: cause I'm talkin about a server edition here and why would I login everyday just to do those updates or leave my server at risk without updating from time to time?
[05:48] <holstein> brightbeat: im talking about serer edition as well.. i choose to see the updates, and read them, and know whats happening, and what might break.. and read about whatever i want in preperation. i would rather that than find out an auto update had broken something
[05:49] <brightbeat> holstein: what can break there? I'm using almost all the default software
[05:49] <holstein> brightbeat: do what you like, friend.. im not trying to convince you of anything, nor state one is better
[05:49] <holstein> brightbeat: literally anything can break
[05:50] <brightbeat> holstein: how would they push those updates without testing?
[05:50] <holstein> brightbeat: they do.. but they dont have your specific hardware
[05:50] <holstein> a kernel upate could change the game on any hardware.. support for a hard drive controller.. whatever
[05:51] <holstein> again, i just choose not to be surprised is all.. do what you like.. the guide above should help you enable auto updates
[05:51] <brightbeat> holstein: I don't think that I should be concerned about it
[05:51] <brightbeat> the hardware is good at my hosting
[05:52] <holstein> brightbeat: i know you should.. but you can choose to do what you like
[05:52] <brightbeat> holstein: this is not a rocket science, live easily
[05:53] <holstein> brightbeat: as i said, i'll do as i please, and you can as well.. i consider not being surprised by updates easy living ;)
[05:53] <brightbeat> the earth will not stop spinning around if you server goes down after automatic updates
[05:53] <brightbeat> ;)
[05:53] <holstein> brightbeat: you mean, if yours does
[05:54] <brightbeat> I don't think that mine will do ;), that's why I'm activating it
[06:07] <brightbeat> holstein: that's the issue I"m having now http://askubuntu.com/questions/263692/unattended-upgrades-not-running-etc-cron-daily-apt-missing
[06:07] <brightbeat> holstein: cron file is missing
[06:17] <brightbeat> guys can anyone help with this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+question/218052 ? The file is actually missing and it's still not solved
[06:17] <brightbeat> in ubuntu 12.04 server edition
[06:18] <holstein> what hosted VPS? could be its not really ubuntu
[06:35] <brightbeat> holstein: no it's ubuntu, I checked the packages manually and there is really no that file. I don't know at all, what's happening
[06:59] <KI7MT> brightbeat, have you tries re-installing unattended-upgrades .. or dpkg-reconfigure --plow unattedned-upgrades
[07:00] <brightbeat> KI7MT: I JUST installed it. there is no such file in the package! I did dpkg-reconfigure
[07:03] <KI7MT> brightbeat, So your issue is that the daily ../apt cron is not bing installed with unattended-upgrades, not that unattended is not working yes?
[07:03] <brightbeat> KI7MT: right. I"m not sure if it's working yet, I just installed it
[07:04] <KI7MT> Ok, let me have a look around on that one.
[07:10] <KI7MT> Well, I dont see why it's not there .. Action recommended extractign the .deb .. thats one way to get around this.
[07:19] <KI7MT> 50unattended-upgrades is in the .deb .. under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[07:22] <brightbeat> KI7MT: I know where 50unattended-upgrades is
[07:23] <KI7MT> brightbeat, Do you ahve apt-security-updates in cron daily?
[07:23] <brightbeat> KI7MT: I'm asking about where /etc/cron.daily/apt is? cause it's actually missing
[07:23] <brightbeat> KI7MT: none of them
[07:23] <KI7MT> I know what your asking ..
[07:27] <KI7MT> My recommendation, looking at using cron-apt I'll get you a link shortly.
[07:27] <KI7MT> *look at ..
[07:28] <KI7MT> First, have a read of this: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/automatic-updates.html
[07:30] <KI7MT> Then see cron-apt method: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/automatic-updates.html
[07:34] <KI7MT> brightbeat, Sorry the second link should have been this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutoWeeklyUpdateHowTo
[07:34] <brightbeat> KI7MT: thanks, but I prefer to stay with  unattended-upgrades
[07:35] <brightbeat> KI7MT: I wanna know why it's not working
[07:35] <KI7MT> I don't know why it's not working on your system, but that's solution that will work, your choice.
[07:42] <brightbeat> KI7MT: it's not working on all systems I believe, because I have a default install
[07:42] <KI7MT> brightbeat, I just check 3 different 12.04 servers, all three have the apt file under /etc/cron.daily/ .. so I don't know why it's not being installed for you.
[07:43] <KI7MT> if you want the file I can patebinit for you.
[07:44] <KI7MT> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6766492/
[07:45] <brightbeat> KI7MT: thank you
[07:46] <brightbeat> KI7MT: if you say it exists on other servers, I need to dig deeper into it.
[07:47] <KI7MT> I would say, yes, something is not right, as there is nothing special I've done with the server install, standard 12.04.3 server ISO
[07:52] <brightbeat> KI7MT: that's very weird, I have everything default installed, I didn't touch much at all
[07:52] <KI7MT> Who did the install ?
[07:54] <KI7MT> If you did it, there's a section in the installer that asks about this specifically, but installing the package after should also resolve this.
[07:56] <brightbeat> KI7MT: I installed it myself after, have you had it preinstalled? maybe that's the problem
[07:57] <brightbeat> KI7MT: I'm on media temple, they used their own ISO I believe, but I don't think they modified it like that
[07:58] <KI7MT> I would think they would re-master it, that's allot of work, but you should ask them what's they've done just to be sure.
[07:58] <KI7MT> *would not think .. ..
[08:03] <brightbeat> KI7MT: yea, I will ask them. I doubt they changed something like that
[08:04] <KI7MT> I would not think so .. but  ya never know.
[08:05] <brightbeat> KI7MT: what's the point do you think for them changing something like that?
[08:08] <KI7MT> No idea, maybe they set it to No when the did the initial install, then forgot to turn it back on during their build mods, but who knows.
[08:08] <brightbeat> KI7MT: when I install new software, it installs from ubuntu servers only
[08:09] <brightbeat> KI7MT: did you have that option preinstalled when you build your OS on your servers?
[08:09] <KI7MT> No, the default for Auto-Updates is to ask the user if they want to enable it or not.
[08:10] <KI7MT> If you want it enables, there's two options you can select, I don't recall off the top of my head what the specifics of those two options are.
[08:11] <KI7MT> Here's a step by step, w/Pics.
[08:11] <KI7MT> http://askubuntu.com/questions/340965/how-do-i-install-ubuntu-server-13-04-step-by-step
[08:13] <KI7MT> while that is 13.04 .. it's virtually the same steps.
[09:09] <dodgerblue> hello guys! not sure if this is a debian specific question or whether it goes for ubuntu as well, but: do you have any idea where I can get the qemu-user-static package sources?
[11:16] <Rar9> hi need some help.. for Ubunut 12.04 lts ... my tomcat7 is not autostarting... I can only start manually. and hint?
[11:23] <Rar9> anyone?
[12:10] <Swahili> Hi!
[12:10] <Swahili> Q: I'm going to buy some new hardware to assemble a new computer. I'd like to use RAID1 (software). From what I can remember, I've got the option once installing Ubuntu, is this correct ? Thanks!
[12:13] <rbasak> Swahili: the Ubuntu Server installer gives you the option of configuration software RAID-1, if that's what you're asking.
[12:13] <Swahili> rbasak: yes! thanks for looking!
[12:13] <rbasak> gives you the option of configuring RAID-1.
[12:14] <Swahili> I'm thinking about having Samba for File Server, so I want 2x 2TB HDD (Raid1)
[12:14] <rbasak> Make sure to arrange backups.
[12:14] <Swahili> Then for O/S I'd like to have maybe 2x 256 SSD (Raid1) ? This makes sense?
[12:14] <Swahili> Is that easy to setup ?
[12:14] <rbasak> For a file server? I don't think having SSD disks for the OS will help much. Everything that is commonly used will fit in cache easily.
[12:15] <Swahili> rbasak: oh ok!
[12:15] <Swahili> so, 2x 2TB HDD (Raid1). Should be Enough
[12:15] <rbasak> I have 2x3TB disks (I think) and just have a separate RAID-1 partition for the OS.
[12:15] <rbasak> Note that 3TB is a bit more awkward as you must use GPT.
[12:16] <Swahili> GPT, never heard about it.
[12:16] <Swahili> So, if I use 2TB I should be fine ?
[12:16] <rbasak> I believe so, yes.
[12:18] <Swahili> rbasak: when you say awkward you mean difficult to setup ?
[12:18] <rbasak> Yes, potentially. But perhaps the installer deals with it automatically. I don't know.
[13:56] <jamespage> zul, https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2013-December/msg00645.html
[13:56] <jamespage> zul, would we hold that as a patch in our libvirt? wido thinks it will get upstream
[13:57] <zul> jamespage:  lemme check
[14:00] <zul> jamespage:  possibly yeah we can carry it i think
[14:00] <zul> hallyn:  ^^^
[14:04] <zul> jamespage:  we should be able to drop a whole bunch of patches in openstack soon
[14:05] <jamespage> zul, what's bumping upstream to catchup?
[14:05] <jamespage> sqlalchm?
[14:05] <zul> sqlachemy
[14:05]  * jamespage does a cartwheel
[14:05] <jamespage> w00t
[14:05] <zul> jamespage:  ill re-activate the webob one today i totally forgot about it
[14:07] <zul> jamespage:  i broke the concurrency stuff on neutron though :(
[14:07] <jamespage> zul, for tests?
[14:07] <zul> yep
[14:12] <hallyn> zul: our rbd is new enough?
[14:13] <zul> hallyn:  i think so...jamespage is the ceph master
[14:13] <jamespage> hallyn, it is
[14:14] <hallyn> k
[14:14] <zul> hallyn:  i dont have a problem if we cary it, it means i just have to restart my libvirt fixing for the CA
[14:15] <hallyn> the CA?
[14:15] <zul> jamespage:  lemme just finish what im doing here and ill pop it to the top of my list
[14:15] <zul> hallyn:  cloud archive
[14:16] <hallyn> oh.
[14:49] <zul> Daviey:  ping looking for something to do?
[15:00] <phillw> hi, do we expect the bug that does not use the 3.13 kernel as a an upgrade from 12.04 LTS?
[15:01] <phillw> s/ expect/ expect a fix to /
[15:03] <ikonia> what bug ?
[15:06] <Daviey> zul: hola
[15:08] <zul> Daviey:  mind reviewing ironic, its in binary-new (when you get a chance)
[15:08] <Joe_knock> Hello. Does anyone use exim4 here? I am trying to find an email address for someone that has tried to access my online web tool
[15:11] <Daviey> zul: binary or source new?
[15:11] <zul> source new
[15:13] <yolanda> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/charms/precise/rabbitmq-server/ha/+merge/202116
[15:13] <yolanda> works much better now
[15:17] <soahccc> Hmm is there something special about /root or why can't I access a folder inside which I own?
[15:17] <ikonia> soahccc: you shouldn't own files in /root
[15:17] <ikonia> root owns files in /root
[15:17] <Joe_knock> okay doesn't matter, my app seems to have a log of activities. thanks everyone.
[15:18] <soahccc> ikonia: I just want to access files in one folder, read would be enough. But chmod doesn't work either
[15:18] <soahccc> I think I just move the whole thing out of there then
[15:18] <ikonia> soahccc: why are you trying to access files in /root - there is nothing in there for you, it's for root
[15:19] <soahccc> ikonia: I started a VM which is in there and I want to access the captured PNGs via sftp
[15:19] <ikonia> soahccc: you started a vm which is in "there " ? and you want access to png's via sftp ???
[15:20] <ikonia> that just seems like 3 different random requests
[15:20] <hXm> hello, I want to install roundcube In my server and use my own server as smtp&imap server, I followed many tutorials and I always get lost at any point
[15:21] <soahccc> ikonia: I have a VM in /root (I think I just put this somewhere else) and captured screen are getting saved inside the VM's directory. SFTP is of course permitted for root
[15:21] <hXm> exists a simplified and basic site where I can follow step by step and debug where is my problem?
[15:21] <soahccc> ikonia: err I mean not permitted
[15:21] <ikonia> soahccc: ok, lets step back
[15:21] <ikonia> soahccc: what virtualization are you using ?
[15:21] <Daviey> zul: done.
[15:22] <zul> Daviey: geez that was quick thanks!
[15:22] <soahccc> ikonia: vmware player but it's okay. I was just curious why I couldn't access the directory
[15:22] <ikonia> you can't access /root as it's for use by the root user
[15:24] <soahccc> ikonia: So this is a special case? Because I generally can e.g. chmod a single directory in someones /home directory. Then I can cd into only this directory but nothing else
[15:24] <ikonia> soahccc: you can chmod /root sure
[15:27] <soahccc> ikonia: I have it /opt now. /opt/vmware has 0700 owned by root. /opt/vmware/foo/screens has 0777. I can cd into it with non-root user. The same doesn't work in /root
[15:28] <ikonia> soahccc: what is the permissions on /root
[15:28] <ikonia> soahccc: show me ls -la /root
[15:29] <soahccc> drwx------ 10 root root  4096 Jan 17 16:23 .
[15:30] <soahccc> 0700 the same, that's why I thought there would be some special restriction for /root
[15:33] <zul> hallyn:  do you have anything for libvirt?
[15:35] <hallyn> zul: nope
[15:35] <hallyn> well lemme check over here
[15:37] <hallyn> zul: nope.
[15:37] <zul> hallyn:  cool thanks
[15:39] <ikonia> soahccc: are yo kidding ??
[15:39] <ikonia> soahccc: 700 - that is "only owner" access, the owner is root
[15:39] <ikonia> soahccc: how do you expect anyone other than root to access it ?
[15:39] <soahccc> ikonia: for that directory but it normally does not apply for subdirectories with different permissions
[15:40] <jamespage> yolanda, testing now
[15:40] <ikonia> soahccc: to be able to see/use subdirectories, the parent directory must have access
[15:40] <soahccc> ikonia: Like I have it in /opt now... Parent directory has 0700 but I can access subdirectory nevertheless
[15:40] <ikonia> soahccc: you can't lock /root, but be expecting to access /root/vm
[15:40] <ikonia> soahccc: ls -la /opt
[15:43] <soahccc> ikonia: hmm okay I'm able to still list files if I'm already in there but you're right I can't actually enter it :(
[15:45] <yolanda> ok
[15:55] <WinstonSmith> hi #sed :). i have lines like "(23:22:04) [0x993fc60] [rb_metadata_dbus_load] rb-metadata-dbus-service.c:74: loading metadata from file:///home/true/Music/soundz/elena/music/mp3/Nirvana/The%20Demo%20Tapes/desktop.ini". i am trying to extract th file path from that. i tried "'s/.*:\/\/(.*)/\1/g'". could somebody please explain what i am doing wrong? i though what i have means: "any char, repea
[15:55] <WinstonSmith> ted 0 or more times, a colon, 2 slashes. then capture all the rest"
[15:57] <Swahili> Hi
[15:57] <Swahili> Q: Does Ubuntu Server support more then 8gb of memory ? Thanks
[15:57] <jamespage> yolanda, looking at the logs we probably want to limit the unison sync to passwd files only
[15:57] <jamespage> lots of write errors being ignored
[15:58] <WinstonSmith> erm sorry wrong chan
[15:58] <jrwren> Swahili: yes.
[15:59] <yolanda> yes, i think it tries to do it at every try
[15:59] <jrwren> Swahili: this is not windows server. linux doesn't put artificial limits in place.
[15:59] <Swahili> jrwren: thanks for looking :)
[16:00] <Swahili> Is it safe, as in old software will work, with ubuntu 12.04 LTS 64 Bits ?
[16:00] <Swahili> not sure what to install, 32 vs 64
[16:05] <jrwren> Swahili: ubuntu has good support for running 32bit on 64bit too. If you have binary only software, you should consult with that vendor.
[16:14] <Swahili> jrwren: I will :)
[16:14] <Swahili> Thank you!
[16:14] <Daviey> jrwren: try running 32bit kernel with >16GB of RAM. :)
[16:15] <roaksoax> Daviey: woulnd't that only recognize 4gb?
[16:16] <Daviey> roaksoax: not the with PAE kernel
[16:17] <Daviey> roaksoax: With loadsa RAM 32bit just runs dog slow.  As in, unusable.
[16:18] <Swahili> When people say, something like: I'll have 2x 2TB for data storage and 2x 500GB for Operating system. Where can I learn to do that ?
[16:18] <roaksoax> Daviey: interesting! I thought it wouldn't even recognize that amount of ram
[16:18] <Daviey> bug 962992
[16:19] <Daviey> roaksoax: the photo is from the g-maas racks.
[16:21] <roaksoax> Daviey: fun fun!
[16:21] <jrwren> roaksoax: see the PAE wikipedia page. intel has support >4GB on 32bit for 10+yrs
[17:06] <patdk-wk> the issue with 32bit isn't how much ram you can have (unless your running windows), it's about how much ram a single program can have
[17:07] <jrwren> patdk-wk: exactly.
[17:07] <zul> jamespage:  btw i applied the patch you wanted
[17:07] <jamespage> zul, thanks
[17:07] <patdk-wk> so 32bit mysql server with 32gigs of ram, is pointless :)
[17:07] <patdk-wk> but a webserver, it would be ok
[17:15] <hitsujiTMO> patdk-wk: running any kind of server with 32gigs in 32bit would be rather silly to be honest. You loose out in a lot of processing speed from dropping from a 64bit processor
[17:15] <patdk-wk> hitsujiTMO, who said you had a 64bit cpu?
[17:16] <patdk-wk> there are lots of 32bit cpu's that you can load in more than 4gigs ram, I've been doing that since around 2000
[17:18] <hitsujiTMO> patdk-wk: then it might be cheaper to just buy a newer server. I'm sure 64bit cpu with the equivalent speed of that 32bit processor would be consuming enough power that the reduction in power usage costs alone would cover the cost of the new server
[17:18] <patdk-wk> well, tell him to do that
[17:18] <patdk-wk> dunno why your telling me
[17:19] <hitsujiTMO> ahh, sorry, thought you were the OP from what i have on my screen
[17:31] <jamespage> rbasak, I'm almost at the point where I can upload 5.5.35+dfsg of mysql-5.5. to debian unstable - enabling an easier merge ...
[17:32] <rbasak> jamespage: cool. I'm still working on php5 - bug 1244343. Haven't got to mysql at all y et.
[17:32] <jamespage> rbasak, thats fine
[17:33] <jamespage> when you get there I don't think it will be that hard tbh
[17:51] <rbasak> Well, I figure out what's wrong at least. Part of the patch has gone missing - presumably it no longer applies cleanly. I'll see what I can to do to merge it on Monday.
[18:32] <embiopterid> hello, I'm using ubuntu server in a libvirt vm with file system passthrough (plan 9 net).  I have disabled file system checking in fstab (last column zero) but fsck still tries to check the file system on boot, which fails.  I then must skip mounting, login, mount it at boot (which succeeds) and restart services depending on it.  Any Ideas?
[18:33] <embiopterid> I have a standard ubuntu running as a vm and it does not have this problem.
[18:48] <sarnold> same with firefox: https://plus.google.com/+JorgeCastro/posts/UHzs9Vg5tyK
[18:48] <sarnold> sigh echan
[19:42] <sprocket888> I have a dumb question.....I have set up an Ubuntu Server on some hardware the way I need it. I want to image this and store it for later deployments. The problem is the sda block device  is like 250GB and / is like 40GB. Only about 5GB of actual data is on there. I am thinking the best way to image is dd piped to a compression tool like pbzip is there a better way so that I don't have an image that is 250GB to store?
[19:46] <patdk-wk> sprocket888, resize2fs
[19:46] <patdk-wk> make it as small as possible
[19:46] <patdk-wk> make image
[19:46] <patdk-wk> then when you extract it next time, just resize2fs again to make it large
[19:47] <sprocket888> nice I will look into that thx patdk-wk
[19:54] <embiopterid> ok, I'm running a ubuntu server through libvirt and it fails to mount a file system pass through in ubuntu server on boot but not in ubuntu desktop.  The mount succeeds after boot.  It says mount is missing a helper application, but I'm pretty sure there isn't one at this time.  The fstab lines are identical except for the mount points.  I tried installing the images for virtualization but that did nothing.  What am I doing w
[19:54] <embiopterid> rong?
[19:56] <keithzg> Arghhh, trying to write a quick bash script to spit out a MySQL selection, but whomever created this database decided it would be a good idea to give one of the columns a name that included both a forward slash and a space :(
[19:57] <sarnold> embiopterid: libvirt and qemu run under apparmor confinement; I wonder if your policies need to be extended? Check /var/log/syslog or dmesg output or /var/log/audit/audit.log for DENIED messages from AppArmor
[19:58] <keithzg> Okay, I guess I can just use backticks and then escape the backticks from bash. Not hard, but I still shake my fist at whomever created that column.
[20:00] <embiopterid> sarnold: thanks, but I'm actually using fedora as the host right now.  Also, apparmor shouldn't effect the inside of the virtual machine, and ubuntu-desktop works fine.  I've disabled selinux because it was a pain, but once I get all this stuff set up I might try re-enabling it.
[20:01] <sarnold> embiopterid: I don't know how the filesystem passthrough works, but if it does what I think it does, I think AppArmor or SELinux could be configured on the host to prevent them from working inside the guest..
[20:03] <embiopterid> Sarnold: I've completely disabled selinux for now, so it shouldn't.  I do see a difference in the dmesg output.  I'll throw it up on pastebin in a sec.
[20:03] <sarnold> embiopterid: oh cool :)
[20:06] <embiopterid> http://pastebin.com/6kqUMYeG
[20:06] <embiopterid> I didn't put it all up there cuz I'm sure its not all relevant.
[20:21] <embiopterid> well crap, guess that seems obvious.  The 9p modules are not in the initramfs! (I just unpacked it).  The modules are acturally listed in /etc/modules and are loaded at boot.  How do I force update-initramfs to include them, or do I have to make a custom image?
[20:27] <sarnold> embiopterid: hrm, I'm surprised your filesystem is being mounted that early..
[20:28] <embiopterid> guess I had put them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules on the ubuntu-desktop-vm and forgot :/ Well, at least I wont forget again.
[20:29] <embiopterid> sarnold: thanks for your help.  I feel sheepish.
[20:29] <sarnold> embiopterid: thanks for reporting back :) it's always nice to know what helps
[20:29] <sarnold> embiopterid: have fun! :)
[20:32] <embiopterid> sarnold: np, thanks.  It kinda seems like update-initramfs should somehow include modules from /etc/modules in the initrd, but heck, I'm no dev ;)
[20:33] <sarnold> embiopterid: yeah, that'd sure sound plausible; I hope the division is worth it to someone somewhere if it's going to cause this kind of confusion for the rest of us..
[20:34] <embiopterid> ya, it took me a while to figure it out the first time.  I can't believe I forgot.  I wish there was a way to log al the admin stuff I do cuz this aint the first time.
[20:35] <sarnold> hehe, yeah; on a previous system I had a ~/notes file that was several hundred lines long..
[20:38] <embiopterid> I think there probly is a way to log all activity without just using "history", I saw a .bashrc hack like that once.  It just never seems important until this happens.
[20:39] <sarnold> oh jeeze that'd be nearing embarassment to see all the "cd .. ; ls ; cd foo ; ls ; cd .. ; " I wind up doing..
[20:39] <embiopterid> Ya, well its just for you.  Mine would be filled with typos and forgotten commands ;)
[20:40] <sarnold> hehe :)
[20:44] <embiopterid> Oh, here we go http://askubuntu.com/questions/93566/how-to-log-all-bash-commands-by-all-users-on-a-server
[20:44] <embiopterid> Think I'll probly do that in a sec.
[20:49] <sarnold> embiopterid: another thing to look into is the auditd pam tty logging. Checking that out has been on my todo list for a few years..
[20:58] <embiopterid> k. I will
[22:53] <hallyn> ahs3: hi, are you around?  would you be able to help push http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734633 ?