[05:24] I installed 13.10 on dell inspiron M5040 laptop and touchpad doesn't work. Anyone here to walk me through? [05:25] SenseiV183: sure. not sure what to walk you through [05:25] SenseiV183: basically, make sure the touchpad works in a supported operating system [05:25] I know it worked on the LTS [05:25] try the live CD and see if it works with it.. then, try looking for and applying upgrades [05:25] SenseiV183: then, try looking in the bios.. [05:26] It's enabled there [05:27] SenseiV183: you can look in lspci and/or lsusb [05:27] SenseiV183: did you look for and apply upgrades and reboot [05:27] I also had a pen tablet plugged in and a wireless keyboard + mouse dongle but the wireless mouse is lost. Those two pointing devices where on when I did the install if that makes any difference. [05:27] SenseiV183: unplug everything.. look for and apply upgrades and reboot [05:28] If I unplug everthing I don't know if I'll be able to "get around" without a pointer lol. [05:29] In Windows I know all the keyboard tricks. [05:29] SenseiV183: you can do it all from tty [05:29] !tty [05:29] To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login). To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution [05:29] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [05:29] Ok [05:29] though, you can do it with whatever you have plugged in [05:29] and *then* after updates are applied, shutdown [05:29] unplug and reboot [05:30] Ahhhh [05:30] basically.. apply possible fixes, and restart with the minimal hardware plugged in [06:07] SenseiV183: just message in here, please [06:08] is forward slash notice a priate message? [06:08] You mean don't use pastebin? [06:09] SenseiV183: just message here [06:09] SenseiV183: whats going on [06:09] ? [06:09] I put the output in the pastebin link [06:10] I thought that was proper irc way [06:10] i'll share it here? or would you like to? [06:10] well. its nothing personal, so here it is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6766163/ [06:11] what would i do? plug a mouse in and enjoy the rest of the evening [06:11] what do i suggest you do? maybe try #ubuntu.. try other live CD's.. make certain the hardware is not disabled somewhere with a keyboard shortcut [06:11] I want a touchpad working for when I want to take my laptop off the desk [06:11] SenseiV183: i hear you [06:12] It's not disabled by the fn key either. [06:12] SenseiV183: nothing about ubuntu is preventing the touchpad from being able to be supported.. and, if you say it used to work, its likely easy enough to make it work [06:12] SenseiV183: does it work from a live CD? [06:12] I didn't try it from the live cd. I was using my pen tablet [06:13] SenseiV183: how would you feel about firing up, A. the live CD you installed from.. and B. the last live CD that you say supported the device [06:13] Or maybe I did try and it didn't work. I don't remember when I noticed it doesn't work anymore, but it still works when I boot to Windows 7 [06:13] i feel B is particularly handy [06:13] sure.. but you were guaranteed windows support from the manufacturer [06:14] they are welcome to provide you linux support as well... but, i would just try the live CD's and go from there [06:14] Yeah I don't know of 13.10 supports my touchpad or not. I don't know which item in lspci is my touchpad either. [06:15] the better question is, does your hardware support 13.10? [06:15] and it seems most of it does [06:15] SenseiV183: i dont see the touchpad listed [06:15] and if it works on the live cd, then what? How to make it work on my HD installed platform? [06:15] Hmmm. [06:16] Everything else works. Even Sound! [06:16] I wouldn't have thought a laptop touchpad is a pci device. [06:17] could be in lsusb but i dont see it [06:17] me neither hmmm.. [06:17] / [06:18] I have an irc related question. When I type //notice holstein my message here. Doesn't that go to the channel for all to see? [06:18] no [06:18] you can hilight me here [06:19] "h" or "hol" and hit "tab" key [06:19] How to highlight? [06:19] then you get my nick.. [06:19] i see what you were doing [06:19] SenseiV183: i didnt mean to be agro about it.. i though you were "up to something" ;) [06:20] lol. No. [06:20] Just up to getting help from the community. And learning irc ropes along the way. [06:20] Thanks for the TAB trick! [06:20] makes life easy. [06:21] yup.. that works in the command line as well [06:21] So if I type out a full nick I just put the comma that the tab key puts thier and a comma after a nick will highlight? [06:21] there [06:22] SenseiV183: depends on how the user has it setup.. i can ask for hilights.. but, any mention of holstein will hilight me [06:22] Autocomplete command line cool. [06:22] Ok. [06:22] /q or /query is for a PM.. private message [06:22] I'm using the Xchat and I like it. [06:23] yeah.. i liked xchat a lot too [06:23] its well supported and clean [06:23] Is there a way to print the channel window to a printer? [06:24] without copy paste to text editor? [06:24] you can always print screen, or c/p ^ [06:24] not sure what irc clients print.. ive never tried it [06:24] always just copy and pasted [06:30] Anyone know any tricks to boost blender performance on Saucy? [06:30] SenseiV183: graphics driver [06:30] !ati | SenseiV183 [06:30] SenseiV183: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [06:31] if there is a proprietar option.. if not, then you wont boost it much [06:31] proprietary* [06:31] what command can I type to see what driver I have now? [06:32] maybe the answer is in the link duh. I'll look at it first. [06:32] lspci -k might help [06:33] SenseiV183: im out.. if it gets too quiet for you, try #ubuntu.. or #xubuntu.. hope to catch up with you again soon.. [06:34] holstein, Thanks. Peace out [07:13] Turns out it's a BUG in lightdm (doesn't obey ~/.lightdm) :/ [07:14] Turns out it's a BUG in lightdm (doesn't obey ~/.dmrc) :/ [07:15] (sry about that first one) [07:16] And /var/cache/lightdm/dmrc/ ? [07:17] also doesn't work, at least deleting a user [07:17] also doesn't work, at least deleting a user's file and logging in again -> same session [07:17] sry, keyboard [07:17] Select a different session? [07:18] What are you trying to do? [07:18] yeah, but i'm wondering how to select the default autologin session from a startup script. [07:18] ie rc.local [07:19] so that even if i futz around with other desktops, after rebooting it always comes back to my good old xfce (session name ubuntustudio) [07:21] ...or if i forget to set it in the little menu in the upper right [07:29] /var/lib/AccountsService/users/unit193 [07:29] Err, well you get it. [07:29] aha, got it :D [07:30] dmrc is a fallback, not main. [07:32] let's test.... [07:36] nope... weird thing is, it autologged into other desktop (unity) but after logging out, ubuntustudio was selected by default at the login screen [07:53] I got errors installing driver from AMD http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6766491/ [07:54] I'm afraid to reboot or shutdown now [15:22] I have lots of trouble with jackd and sound. Is it safe to remove jack-d and qjackctl frome the system? [15:22] and reinstall them? [15:24] oslt: sure [15:24] oslt: you should be able to just reinstall without removing them [15:24] oslt, why do you think that will resolve the issues? Or do you just want to set everything backto default? [15:24] That didn't work. [15:24] ah holstein is already on it. I leave it to you. :P [15:25] oslt: well, you are assuming that it will work [15:25] cub: hey!.. go for it :) [15:25] Setting everything to default, might solve the problem. [15:25] haha no you are way more experienced when it comes to audio [15:25] But there are config files. [15:25] Two days ago everything was running well. [15:25] oslt: what triggered it? [15:26] Shit for audio :-) [15:26] holstein: I really don't have any idea. Jackd seems to be running. [15:26] oslt: i dont understand, and try and keep the language clean.. what im looking for is "i upgraded the kernel and.." [15:27] Maybe it is running twice. I only installed libreoffice 32 bit on 64 bit. [15:27] The software is working. [15:27] oslt: what software is "working"? jack? [15:27] No upgrade, fres install half a week ago. [15:28] LibreOffice, I only wanted to tell what I did meanwhile. I was asked. [15:28] Jack does not work. [15:28] oslt: i would run a live CD to try and determine the hardware is funtioning properly and remove my hard drive and installed os from the equation [15:29] i would look at and share the output of the jack messages window [15:31] holstein: I open Jack control and get this message. [15:31] http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/150M [15:32] oslt: i use qjackctl [15:32] oslt: i open it, then click start to start.. i do that *before* opening any apps that might try and start jack on their own [15:32] then i start. [15:32] Okay qcackctl, i meant. [15:32] http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/150N [15:32] also, the audio labels can change [15:32] they can jump.. if you have an external card you are using [15:32] holstein: I know. [15:33] oslt: so, make certain you are choosing the proper device [15:33] It is right. It is my usb audio-interface. [15:33] oslt: doulbe check [15:33] oslt: remove the usb interface and test with the internal card [15:34] okay [15:43] holstein: I plugged of the audio interface and chose the internal soundcard. Same sitauation. [15:51] holstein: And now. What do you guess? [15:58] I think holstein had to leave for a while. I'm also off, leaving work. Maybe someone will jump in, otherwise hang around and people will pick up later on again. [15:59] oslt, ^ [15:59] cub: Thank you. [17:01] oslt: how does it work with a live CD? [17:02] oslt: also, i'll run "gksudo qjackctl" *temporarily*, to troubleshoot permissions [17:02] holstein: okay I need a few minutes to check this out. [17:02] oslt: you can try removing the saved xsessions for xfce [17:07] gksudo no better [17:07] How to remove? [17:07] oslt: are you certain jack is not running in the background? [17:07] oslt: remove what? [17:07] xsession errors [17:07] I am not sure that jack is not already running. [17:08] oslt: comfirm that its not [17:08] oslt: im talking about the saved xsessions.. nothing about errors [17:08] http://askubuntu.com/questions/111010/how-do-i-remove-some-sessions-from-the-session-list-in-xubuntu [17:08] In task manager there is still jackdbus auto [17:09] oslt: i run "ps aux | grep jack" and kill whatever is running that shouldnt be [17:09] qjackctl is terminated [17:09] oslt: qjackctl is just a GUI [17:09] oslt: qjackctl is just a tool to configure and start jack [17:10] I know, but if terminated jackd shoul stop too!? [17:10] oslt: no [17:10] oslt: if you stop it with the gui, and it stops cleanly.. otherwise, it does what it does [17:10] Is then jack running all the time? [17:10] oslt: i dont know what is doing what when [17:11] okay [17:11] oslt: i know my system and set up.. nothing runs automatically or in the background [17:11] if i think it is, i use "ps aux | grep jack" to check, and kill it [17:11] Is "jackdbus auto" a running instance of jack. [17:11] ? [17:11] This I have in the task manager. [17:12] Mybe thre is something double? [17:12] oslt: i have no idea how you have configured it [17:13] oslt: i use "ps aux" in the terminal to see what is running, and kill what i dont want running [17:13] oslt: if you saved the x session on shutdown or logout once, that could be trying to start jack and breaking it [17:13] oslt: i would kill jackdbus and test [17:14] http://pastie.org/8642875 [17:15] Okay I haven't killed already. [17:16] Sorry howto kill command [17:16] kill -all jackdbus? [17:17] oslt: i refer to the PID and kill, or do whatever it takes.. [17:17] okay [17:20] Sorry, this is the right pastie http://pastie.org/8642886 [17:21] Okay I do killall -9 jackd [17:21] oslt: Just to be sure, kill both jackd and jackdbus [17:21] no process found [17:21] okay [17:22] Operation not allowed for killall -9 jackdbus [17:24] oslt: i just do whatever it takes to make sure nothing is runing that can cause problems [17:24] Result of ps aux | grep jack [17:24] ishttp://pastie.org/8642894 [17:24] oslt: sudo kill whatever [17:24] okay sudo [17:24] oslt: have you started processes as root? [17:24] oslt: i wouldnt over think it.. since, we dont know that its the issue anyways [17:24] oslt: you havent tried removing saved sessions.. [17:25] i would try something... then move on if you cant get it.. i mean, realistically, it takes less than 10 minutes to reinstall [17:26] I reinstalled my system three times during 10 days for different reasons. [17:27] oslt: ok.. any of those reasons hardware failure related? that can cause issues like what you are seesing [17:27] oslt: Were you able to kill jackdbus? [17:31] zequence: No process is found. [17:31] wait [17:31] Yes: Thats the reply. [17:32] I am not able to come through howto delete xsessions. [17:32] oslt: http://askubuntu.com/questions/111010/how-do-i-remove-some-sessions-from-the-session-list-in-xubuntu [17:33] holstein: *In session tab, Click 'Clear saved session' [17:33] There is no such tab. [17:35] The other tutorial is to difficult for me. [17:35] part of [17:36] I go very confused, seems to difficult. [17:38] Thanks to all. I quit and think over it. [17:38] get bulimia meanwhile ;-) [17:38] oslt: If no process if found, then there's no process anymore [17:38] oslt: Now, I'd like to see what devices you have [17:38] oslt: this command, paste somehwere: cat /proc/asound/cards [17:39] hw:3 is usb audio device [17:39] ok, so try jackd with hw:3 now: jackd -d alsa -d hw:3 [17:39] hw:0 is internal sound card [17:39] does jack start with the internal, but not with the usb device? [17:40] oslt: you cant assume those labels. i would unplug the USB one, and reboot, and use *only* the internal to troubleshoot this [17:40] those labels can change [17:40] right, the order of the cards may change at each boot [17:40] I know, but I checked in qjaclctl [17:41] oslt: So, try jackd now. And tell us, does your internal card work? does your usb device work? [17:41] try jackd from the command line [17:41] not using qjackctl [17:41] oslt: ok.. but what would i do? reduce variables by only having one device.. so im not testing "is my jack configuration correct?" and "is jack functioning" at the same time [17:41] http://pastie.org/8642948 [17:41] I already did, switched off audio interface. It is working neither. [17:41] already did, when? [17:42] now? [17:42] oslt: you are referring to 2 devices [17:42] please just do as I say [17:42] Wow Audacious is running with Jack [17:42] zequence I did. [17:43] ok, you are not following my instructions. Impossible to know what is going on [17:43] and I posted the result: http://pastie.org/8642948 [17:43] oslt: you should not be running *anything*, as i said, in the background that will try and auto start jack [17:43] I have a problem with internet it seems. Can't load pages right now. bbl [17:44] what would i do? remove my saved xsessions. remove the USB device.. reboot.. open *nothing* but qjackctl and a terminal [17:44] holstein: Sorry I dealed with zequence. [17:44] oslt: i dont see where *anyone* said to start audacious.. [17:45] okay [17:45] I stopped. [17:45] Next? [17:45] oslt: sure.. but, not you have to kill jack again [17:45] oslt: you have to check for jack running again.. and *not* open anything [17:45] okay [17:45] oslt: have you removed the xsessions? have you unplugged the USB device? [17:46] ok. back [17:46] oslt: Ok, so determined from the output from your jackd command, your device is working fine [17:47] okay it is killed [17:47] oslt: If you are unsure about qjackctl configs, you could delete (reset) them, and start it over [17:47] oslt: Also, remember always to start jack with whatever jack control application you use before starting any jack applications [17:47] some will start jackd by default [17:47] holstein: I do not know howto remove. [17:48] holstein: I don't want to manipulate system files. [17:48] oslt: ok.. then, consider reinstallation if a live CD seems to support the hardware as you expect [17:48] oslt: qjackctl configs are in ~/.config/rncbc.org/QjackCtl.conf [17:49] oslt: you will need to manipulate things in order to troubleshoot and "fix" [17:49] to remove, just do: rm ~/.config/rncbc.org/QjackCtl.conf [17:49] holstein okay [17:49] at least we can determine there is nothing wrong with jack starting your device [17:50] zequence I removed iQjackCtl.conf. Yes that's great. [17:51] it happens sometimes that the qjackctl config gets corrupted [17:51] okay [17:51] oslt: But it is good, watching jack working together with audacious, at least. [17:51] zequence: Now start qjackctl again? [17:52] oslt: first, close all jack applications, and kill jack [17:52] okay [17:52] then, start qjackctl, start jack, then start jack applications [17:54] qjackctl is running, and now? [17:54] oslt: what i read is, start jack applications [17:54] oslt: above, zequence states.. start qjackctl.. you have done that? [17:55] holstein: yes [17:55] then, start jack using qjackctl. you have said "is running".. so, is that JACK? or qjackctl? [17:55] qjackctl [17:55] oslt: if its just qjackctl, then you will start jack.. *then* open jack applications [17:55] oslt: qjackctl is *not* jack.. its just a way to manage and start it.. and stop it [17:56] holstein: I know. But I am not sure if jack is really running, by activating qjackctl. [17:56] so.. if you havent used qjackctl to start jack, use it to start jack by pressing the "Start" button.. *then*, open jack applications such as audacious [17:56] oslt: i am [17:56] oslt: its not, if you didnt start it using the tool [17:56] holstein: Yeah [17:56] oslt: it has a button that is labled "start".. and "stop" [17:56] oslt: you can click it to start jack [17:57] Audacious is working. Guess with Jack. [17:57] oslt: you start audacious *after* starting jack [17:57] Yes [17:57] I give ardour a tiral, okay? [17:58] i wouldnt jump right to ardour from here.. but, do what you like [17:59] Yes and ardour is working. Seems that killing jack and then deleting confiugration file was right. [17:59] oslt: you removed the config file for qjackctl [17:59] Yes like zequence told me [18:00] rm ~/.config/rncbc.org/QjackCtl.conf [18:00] qjackctl has its own configuration, but when you make settings with it, it will also write settings for both jackd and jackdbus [18:01] oslt: im just stating what you did.. you didnt remove a config for jack.. it was for qjackctl [18:01] I don't know, but now it seems to be working: why? [18:01] killing jackd with sudo? [18:02] perhaps you started it as root? [18:02] No [18:02] oslt: you removed the config for qjackctl that had some settings that were causing issues [18:02] Yes, I guess. [18:03] oslt: ? you did that, and it worked.. so, thats pretty much a correlation for me [18:03] Luv u all. [18:04] I hope it will stay for a while. [18:04] oslt: "hope" is not something that effects hardware or software.. [18:05] Hope 2 [18:06] Thanks a lot. [18:06] I must walk the dog. [18:14] say hello to it from me [19:19] hi folks [19:20] I just installed ubuntu studio 13.10 and configured my soundcards with jack [19:23] with patchage I tried to connect my midi keyboard to a preinstalled synth, hexter [19:25] but i could not play any software synth with my midi keyboard. I also tried a different drumpad midi controller, nothing happened [19:25] when i hit "send test note" in hexter, I can hear sound [19:26] should I try midi routing with another application or has anyone an idea why this happens? [19:34] with hm, with virtual midi keyboard i can send notes [19:38] oh, sorry, I was on the wrong channel with my hardware devices... [19:56] HI [19:57] HI? [19:58] i have A LOT of questions [19:58] Hi [19:59] yeaaah [19:59] so a lot of WEIRD things happened to me while I was discovering Ubuntu Studio [19:59] btw excuse my english it may be broken [20:00] and Im wondering if you guys could maybe, either explain what the hell is going or teach me a few things [20:00] or actually I need to learn a lot [20:00] what's the weird things? [20:01] like someone is in my fucking computer [20:01] oops sorry [20:01] for the swear [20:01] I GUESS [20:01] maybee im just PARANOID [20:02] no? [20:03] the thing is most of the time I had no internet connection [20:05] ALSO ID like to know if theres a more precise pitch shifter DSP for audacious [20:05] pitch changer [20:07] i'm freaking out... [20:09] oh man [20:10] :( [20:11] when do you people get your free time? [20:18] awwwwwwwh [20:18] maybe the vocproc lv2 plugin is something for you... [20:19] rhizo what do you do here? [20:21] how would I use this plugin with audacious [20:21] Just hanging around, I installed Ubuntu Studio and was too dizzy to realize that I have set my midi controllers on different channels and I wondered why I could not play soft synths [20:21] ah [20:21] ok [20:21] do you know how you umn [20:21] pass all audio onto jack [20:21] instead of pulseaudio [20:22] like have jack used as default [20:22] for everything when you start up ubuntu studio [20:24] On a different installation I used zita-ajbridge to have it bridged [20:25] mmhhh [20:25] zita-ajbridge [20:25] whats that? [20:26] if you want to have some audio output from programs that do not have jack output in jack [20:26] alright [20:26] it is a sound bridge [20:26] is it easy to use? [20:27] I think so [20:27] can I simply install it with apt-get ? [20:28] just install and run it and the programs should appear in patchage for example [20:28] alrightt uhhh [20:28] mmhh im not on ubuntu studio right now [20:28] yes, the name of the package is zita-ajbridge [20:29] then write it down *g* [20:29] yeah already done [20:29] i was just wondering how it works [20:30] oh yeah and when I use vlc with jack I get problem with channels [20:32] Do you have stereo or 5.1? [20:32] I have stereo [20:33] but yeah it kinda feels like im getting channels from a 5.1 [20:33] I think you can set it up in vlc to have stereo downmix [20:33] yeah but I searched for it [20:33] cant find it [20:34] I have a look... [20:43] try to deactivate the dolby surround option under options, audio... [20:48]