[00:07] by the way hggdh - congrats on the IRC council [00:35] cprofitt: thank you, sir [04:48] StevenK called the ops in #ubuntu-devel () [04:57] so, elky & rww: is that what you guys wanted to achieve, by opping rww on the offtopic channel so he can kick me without any reason? [04:57] i would call this a break of the code of conduct [04:57] @btlogin [04:59] * paddy sets the timer to 5 more minutes [05:00] paddy: he also kicked another user and elky [05:00] to cover what he was aiming for, yes [05:00] I'm fairly certain it was all meant to be funny [05:00] no [05:01] but I see where you are coming from [05:01] not according to what he said on #ubuntu-devel [05:01] no. [05:01] out of interest, which bit of what I said? [05:01] sorry for appearing, btw. my ears were burning. left-over superpower from when i staffed :( [05:01] your self fullfilling prophecy has become real [05:02] you figured out how you can trigger me so i escalate situations [05:02] and you are all proud of it [05:02] i am sure to elky this kind of male attitude is super sexy [05:02] but this is not about having fun on my costs [05:02] this fun ends here [05:03] !o4o =~ s/war,/war, fun,/ [05:03] I'll remember that rww [05:03] There, all sorted. Anything else we can help you with today? [05:04] rww: yes [05:04] rww: pack your bag. grab your elkynatious bride and your few friends and make a new channel so you can leave #ubuntu-offtopic [05:05] #ubuntu-offtopic is a community channel [05:06] rww: otherwise, i will find people who stress you the way you stress me [05:06] I strongly recommend that you petition the IRC Council to permaban me, elky, and my few friends from #ubuntu-offtopic. It is the fastest way to achieve this goal :) [05:07] alrighty then. we done here? [05:07] Unfortunately, though, I am unable to do it myself without elky giving me ops again, which she can't do because we banned fun from #ubuntu-offtopic at your request. [05:07] Sorry about that. [05:08] IdleOne: we are not done [05:08] i repeat: [05:08] rww: pack your bag. grab your elkynatious bride and your few friends and make a new channel so you can leave #ubuntu-offtopic [05:09] So. Here is how I see it. paddy is upset because elky gave rww ops and rww kicked paddy. [05:09] i cant re-join #ubuntu-offtopic until rww and his folks leave [05:09] Am I right so far? [05:09] no [05:09] i am 2 steps ahead [05:09] right, well I'm trying to catch up. please humor me [05:10] the conclusion is that the channel is not run as community channel at the moment. this is not acceptable [05:10] according to? [05:10] as per example of today. other examples are that new users are labeled as trolls and then treated bad, etc. [05:11] you will agree that your personal track record in #ubuntu* is not the most stellar? [05:11] says who? [05:11] says me [05:11] how would you know for sure? [05:11] after looking at our ban tracker [05:12] digging up shit that is how many years old now? [05:12] problem with shit is that it never really goes away [05:12] there was 1 ban situation in the near past [05:12] thats it [05:12] it never goes away because people want it to be remembered [05:12] and i know who these people are [05:13] you make it so they can't forget [05:13] (this is a good example.) [05:13] there is no way of doing that, because of people like elky [05:14] people who are not worth the piece of paper where they signed the code of conduct [05:14] people like elky is why this community is as functional as it is (dysfunctional as it may still be) [05:14] i never saw any work of elky only bloggings [05:14] hot air [05:15] but thats side tracking the problem now [05:15] what she writes about in her personal time does not concern me. [05:15] what concerns me right now is what exactly your complaint is? [05:16] the point is that a small group of individuals controls #ubuntu-offtopic aside from situations where somebody is offending [05:16] how do you propose we fix this? [05:16] they actively provoke people to behave in an emotions driven way [05:17] So, you are saying it is their fault you bahve badly? [05:17] remove channel access from certain people [05:17] i am not saying its their fault but they provoked it willingly [05:18] ok, who do you think we should remove access for? [05:19] e.g. if somebody gives operator priviledges to another user who is not in the access list [05:19] rww is not even an ubuntu member [05:19] how would he be a representative for the community? [05:20] I should probably stick to representing Ubuntu offline, where I'm a leader of a LoCo, huh. [05:20] Do you think that our ops lack the ability to judge who can be trusted to not harm the channel or its users to badly? I mean it was just a kick, not the end of the world really. [05:20] rww: that means you signed the code of conduct? [05:21] paddy: yep [05:21] rww's status in the ubuntu community is not at question. [05:21] rww: and then you are trolling me so i turn into a troll so you can call me as that? [05:21] lets focus on the issue [05:21] read that fucking piece of paper again [05:21] paddy: Please don't curse [05:22] ok [05:22] here is the deal [05:23] somebody from the channel management comes to me and says something like "paddy, we dont like you there. have a nice day" then i take this to my logs and we are done [05:24] by channel management you mean someone from the IRCC? [05:24] somebody who is not just a mode pussy like elky [05:24] alright [05:25] paddy: I am on the Ubuntu IRC council. You are not welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic any longer. You are also now being advised to not disrupt any other Ubuntu IRC channels or you won't be welcome there either. [05:26] alright [05:26] Thank you for bringing your concerns to us about our channel ops. [05:26] thank you and have a nice time [05:26] Same to you. [05:32] !o4o =~ s/war, fun,/war,/ [05:32] Nothing changed there [05:32] IdleOne: I'm not /that/ obnoxious. [05:32] changed it back? [05:32] yep [05:32] yes you are [05:32] but that is part of your charm [05:32] and that's why you're chomping at the bit to give me back #ubuntu-offtopic ops [05:33] at least then i can evade the flack [05:33] elky: except not, because everything one of us does is the other one's fault from now on [05:33] I don't know about that. just recently (look up ^) received a complaint about you abusing ops [05:33] that is the burden I must bear [05:34] lol [05:34] IdleOne: I only abuse ops that want to be abused, thanks. [05:34] sounds legit [05:35] why can't you be a good op and pick on phunyguy or something [05:38] :( [05:38] shaddap! you love it. [06:13] In #ubuntu-offtopic, phunyguy said: !unforget etiquette [06:14] tattle. [13:31] anyone up for a winter cleaning? [15:48] Good Morning homies [15:53] you betrayed me ikonia [15:53] i thought we were family [15:53] nooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [15:54] :/ [15:54] Good morning