[00:07] <cprofitt> by the way hggdh - congrats on the IRC council
[00:35] <hggdh> cprofitt: thank you, sir
[04:57] <paddy> so, elky & rww: is that what you guys wanted to achieve, by opping rww on the offtopic channel so he can kick me without any reason?
[04:57] <paddy> i would call this a break of the code of conduct
[04:57] <rww> @btlogin
[04:59]  * paddy sets the timer to 5 more minutes
[05:00] <IdleOne> paddy: he also kicked another user and elky
[05:00] <paddy> to cover what he was aiming for, yes
[05:00] <IdleOne> I'm fairly certain it was all meant to be funny
[05:00] <paddy> no
[05:01] <IdleOne> but I see where you are coming from
[05:01] <paddy> not according to what he said on #ubuntu-devel
[05:01] <paddy> no.
[05:01] <rww> out of interest, which bit of what I said?
[05:01] <rww> sorry for appearing, btw. my ears were burning. left-over superpower from when i staffed :(
[05:01] <paddy> your self fullfilling prophecy has become real
[05:02] <paddy> you figured out how you can trigger me so i escalate situations
[05:02] <paddy> and you are all proud of it
[05:02] <paddy> i am sure to elky this kind of male attitude is super sexy
[05:02] <paddy> but this is not about having fun on my costs
[05:02] <paddy> this fun ends here
[05:03] <rww> !o4o =~ s/war,/war, fun,/
[05:03] <rww> There, all sorted. Anything else we can help you with today?
[05:04] <paddy> rww: yes
[05:04] <paddy> rww: pack your bag. grab your elkynatious bride and your few friends and make a new channel so you can leave #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:05] <paddy> #ubuntu-offtopic is a community channel
[05:06] <paddy> rww: otherwise, i will find people who stress you the way you stress me
[05:06] <rww> I strongly recommend that you petition the IRC Council to permaban me, elky, and my few friends from #ubuntu-offtopic. It is the fastest way to achieve this goal :)
[05:07] <IdleOne> alrighty then. we done here?
[05:07] <rww> Unfortunately, though, I am unable to do it myself without elky giving me ops again, which she can't do because we banned fun from #ubuntu-offtopic at your request.
[05:07] <rww> Sorry about that.
[05:08] <paddy> IdleOne: we are not done
[05:08] <paddy> i repeat:
[05:08] <paddy> rww: pack your bag. grab your elkynatious bride and your few friends and make a new channel so you can leave #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:09] <IdleOne> So. Here is how I see it. paddy is upset because elky gave rww ops and rww kicked paddy.
[05:09] <paddy> i cant re-join #ubuntu-offtopic until rww and his folks leave
[05:09] <IdleOne> Am I right so far?
[05:09] <paddy> no
[05:09] <paddy> i am 2 steps ahead
[05:09] <IdleOne> right, well I'm trying to catch up. please humor me
[05:10] <paddy> the conclusion is that the channel is not run as community channel at the moment. this is not acceptable
[05:10] <IdleOne> according to?
[05:10] <paddy> as per example of today. other examples are that new users are labeled as trolls and then treated bad, etc.
[05:11] <IdleOne> you will agree that your personal track record in #ubuntu* is not the most stellar?
[05:11] <paddy> says who?
[05:11] <IdleOne> says me
[05:11] <paddy> how would you know for sure?
[05:11] <IdleOne> after looking at our ban tracker
[05:12] <paddy> digging up shit that is how many years old now?
[05:12] <IdleOne> problem with shit is that it never really goes away
[05:12] <paddy> there was 1 ban situation in the near past
[05:12] <paddy> thats it
[05:12] <paddy> it never goes away because people want it to be remembered
[05:12] <paddy> and i know who these people are
[05:13] <IdleOne> you make it so they can't forget
[05:13] <phunyguy> (this is a good example.)
[05:13] <paddy> there is no way of doing that, because of people like elky
[05:14] <paddy> people who are not worth the piece of paper where they signed the code of conduct
[05:14] <IdleOne> people like elky is why this community is as functional as it is (dysfunctional as it may still be)
[05:14] <paddy> i never saw any work of elky only bloggings
[05:14] <paddy> hot air
[05:15] <paddy> but thats side tracking the problem now
[05:15] <IdleOne> what she writes about in her personal time does not concern me.
[05:15] <IdleOne> what concerns me right now is what exactly your complaint is?
[05:16] <paddy> the point is that a small group of individuals controls #ubuntu-offtopic aside from situations where somebody is offending
[05:16] <IdleOne> how do you propose we fix this?
[05:16] <paddy> they actively provoke people to behave in an emotions driven way
[05:17] <IdleOne> So, you are saying it is their fault you bahve badly?
[05:17] <paddy> remove channel access from certain people
[05:17] <paddy> i am not saying its their fault but they provoked it willingly
[05:18] <IdleOne> ok, who do you think we should remove access for?
[05:19] <paddy> e.g. if somebody gives operator priviledges to another user who is not in the access list
[05:19] <paddy> rww is not even an ubuntu member
[05:19] <paddy> how would he be a representative for the community?
[05:20] <rww> I should probably stick to representing Ubuntu offline, where I'm a leader of a LoCo, huh.
[05:20] <IdleOne> Do you think that our ops lack the ability to judge who can be trusted to not harm the channel or its users to badly? I mean it was just a kick, not the end of the world really.
[05:20] <paddy> rww: that means you signed the code of conduct?
[05:21] <rww> paddy: yep
[05:21] <IdleOne> rww's status in the ubuntu community is not at question.
[05:21] <paddy> rww: and then you are trolling me so i turn into a troll so you can call me as that?
[05:21] <IdleOne> lets focus on the issue
[05:21] <paddy> read that fucking piece of paper again
[05:21] <IdleOne> paddy: Please don't curse
[05:22] <paddy> ok
[05:22] <paddy> here is the deal
[05:23] <paddy> somebody from the channel management comes to me and says something like "paddy, we dont like you there. have a nice day" then i take this to my logs and we are done
[05:24] <IdleOne> by channel management you mean someone from the IRCC?
[05:24] <paddy> somebody who is not just a mode pussy like elky
[05:24] <IdleOne> alright
[05:25] <IdleOne> paddy: I am on the Ubuntu IRC council. You are not welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic any longer. You are also now being advised to not disrupt any other Ubuntu IRC channels or you won't be welcome there either.
[05:26] <paddy> alright
[05:26] <IdleOne> Thank you for bringing your concerns to us about our channel ops.
[05:26] <paddy> thank you and have a nice time
[05:26] <IdleOne> Same to you.
[05:32] <IdleOne> !o4o =~ s/war, fun,/war,/
[05:32] <rww> IdleOne: I'm not /that/ obnoxious.
[05:32] <IdleOne> changed it back?
[05:32] <rww> yep
[05:32] <IdleOne> yes you are
[05:32] <IdleOne> but that is part of your charm
[05:32] <rww> and that's why you're chomping at the bit to give me back #ubuntu-offtopic ops
[05:33] <elky> at least then i can evade the flack
[05:33] <rww> elky: except not, because everything one of us does is the other one's fault from now on
[05:33] <IdleOne> I don't know about that. just recently (look up ^) received a complaint about you abusing ops
[05:33] <rww> that is the burden I must bear
[05:34] <elky> lol
[05:34] <rww> IdleOne: I only abuse ops that want to be abused, thanks.
[05:34] <IdleOne> sounds legit
[05:35] <IdleOne> why can't you be a good op and pick on phunyguy or something
[05:38] <phunyguy> :(
[05:38] <IdleOne> shaddap! you love it.
[06:14] <phunyguy> tattle.
[13:31] <Myrtti> anyone up for a winter cleaning?
[15:48] <Tubby> Good Morning homies
[15:53] <Tubby> you betrayed me ikonia
[15:53] <Tubby> i thought we were family
[15:53] <Tubby> nooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:54] <IdleOne> :/
[15:54] <IdleOne> Good morning