[00:54] <elfy> ali1234: hi :p
[00:58] <ali1234> o/
[08:53] <AlanBell> morning
[08:53] <AlanBell> will it ever stop raining?
[08:53] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell
[08:53] <MooDoo> Only when it turns to snow
[08:55] <AlanBell> I wonder if popey or anyone has played with http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/innovate/developers/minecraft-map-britain.html
[08:55] <shauno> I'm not complaining.  the same low-pressure system that's holding it there is holding it away from us :)  I've actually seen 3 dry days in a row, for the first time since november
[08:55] <MooDoo> AlanBell: ye
[08:56] <MooDoo> AlanBell: I think popey has done this, I'm sure I've seen a map
[09:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:30] <popey> AlanBell: http://popey.mooo.com/minecraft/#/8964/64/25964/-10/0/0
[10:31] <popey> morning
[10:32] <shauno> are those roads diamond or emerald?
[10:35] <popey> both
[10:35] <popey> mortorways are blue, a roads green
[10:35] <popey> i joined the map and wandered around to find where my house is ☻
[11:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:06] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/544464-asus-pq321qe-31-5-led-igzo-4k-uhd-monitor-pq321qe
[11:06] <popey> golly
[11:07] <bigcalm> I'll take 3!
[11:10] <aquarius> Dell have released a 4k monitor at CES, due to hit the market in about a week, for around £500. Sadly it only does 30fps at 4k resolution, though; you have to step down to normal HD to get 60fps.
[11:10] <popey> good enough for coding i imaine
[11:11] <popey> *imagine
[11:11] <popey> http://tiamat.tsotech.com/4k-is-for-programmers
[11:11] <aquarius> yeah, but it's hard to test smooth 60fps websites if your monitor won't render that fast :)
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> it's a TN panel. Those can hurt peoples' eyes.
[11:12] <aquarius> that 4k is for programmers thing is all "hey just buy a TV", which is correct (the distinction between a monitor and a TV is, these days, entirely spurious) but recommends a 39" TV, which is fine in the living room but won't fit on my desk ;)
[11:12] <popey> "Hey just buy a bigger desk"
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: I'm sticking with my U2913WM ;)
[11:13] <aquarius> also sitting two feet from a 39" screen means that my head will swivel back and forth like an owl :)
[11:14] <aquarius> ya, I liked the look of the Ultrasharp 29" 2560x1080, although 2560x1440 would be better
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: the extra wideness of the screen is *really* useful for running 2 browsers next to each other :)
[11:14] <aquarius> and the fixes for Ubuntu working at high DPI have apparently not hit trusty yet, although they're being worked on
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> are they the result of the phone work?
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> High DPI was tried before, with X DPI being set "properly". It broke everything except GTK apps
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome/+bug/118745
[11:17] <popey> no
[11:17] <popey> the high dpi stuff will be in unity7
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: .. which is part of the phone work, right?
[11:19] <aquarius> there isn't really "phone work"; it's all just work, apart from the little team actually making things like the dialer function properly. :)
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: well, the phone is also an ARM device with a physically smaller screen (with the same res, so higher DPI)
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: (not necessarily ARM.. that's not relevant.. why did I add that)
[11:31] <popey> MartijnVdS: no
[11:31] <popey> phone is unity8
[11:31] <popey> desktop up to and including 14.04 is unity7
[11:33] <popey> http://www.the-ear.net/review-hardware/audioquest-pearl-and-cinnamon-ethernet-cables-digital-interconnect
[11:33] <popey> oh dear
[11:35] <bigcalm> Oh dear no
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> I wonder why my Chrome "just breaks" sometimes
[11:37] <shauno> you gotta admit it though.  those connectors are purdy.  they should sell them on etsy or something
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> every time I start it, it claims it can't open my profile
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> then I killall chrome, and it works again.. except when I click a link in another program, that tries to start another copy of chrome, which can't open the (locked) profile
[11:40] <popey> i had that on osx a while back
[11:40] <popey> ended up deleting the profile (was wifeys)
[11:40] <popey> right, off to toy shop and maplins i think
[11:41] <popey> sam is bored
[11:41] <bigcalm> Build with LEGO!
[11:44] <brobostigon> build with maccano, :)
[11:48] <foobarry> gonna make a castle with linka this afternoon
[11:48] <foobarry> with the boy
[12:04] <foobarry> bigcalm: we did lego fire resuce this morning ;) http://i.imgur.com/BhWIWJC.jpg
[12:15] <Myrtti> I wish Google stuff would work with Firefox properly
[12:15] <Myrtti> it's sooper annoying it doesn't
[12:51] <foobarry> mmm home made popcorn dipped in honey
[12:52] <iainkay_> hey, does anybody know if i can compile the compiz extra plugins on ubuntu 13.10?
[13:18] <foobarry> nope sorry, still on 12.04 here. they not in the repos iainkay_ ?
[13:24] <iainkay_> no
[13:24] <iainkay_> removed
[13:24] <iainkay_> its a dummy package now
[13:24] <iainkay_> i miss burn :(
[13:25] <iainkay_> i love the rest of ubuntu 13.10 but really really really want to get that effect back up and running
[13:25] <iainkay_> if i can then ill blog about it
[14:12] <popey> pip pip
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: CP/Ming again :)
[14:13] <popey> hah
[14:13] <popey> waiting for xbox to update ☹
[14:13]  * popey makes a cup of tea
[14:27] <ali1234> iainkay_: which plugin packages do you have installed?
[14:28] <ali1234> "compiz-plugins" should have all the none default plugins
[14:37] <iainkay_> i have installed:
[14:38] <iainkay_> compiz, compiz-core, compiz-gnome, compiz-plugins, compiz-plugins-default, compiz-plugins-extra, compizconfig-settings-manager, libcompizconfig0, python-compizconfig
[14:49] <ali1234> seems like the current maintainers decided to rip out a bunch of plugins that the don't use
[14:59] <Myrtti> does anyone here use Tripit a lot?
[15:07] <popey> a bit
[15:08]  * popey goes to get sophie from a sleepover, bet she's tired and moody 
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> wee hee - got a weekend off [at long last]. Hi y'all
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> "Celebrating" by defrosting fridge, shopping, doing the washing, taking full backup, being normal
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> .s. - "normal" in my case might be different to your usual understanding of the word ;)
[16:49] <foobarry> my ubuntu one seems broken today
[16:49] <foobarry> State: AUTH_FAILED
[16:49] <foobarry> just me?
[17:50] <bigcalm> Broken Age was fun :)
[17:50] <bigcalm> Poop jokes are the best!
[17:52] <DJones> Watching Despicable Me for the first time, why does the baddie Vector remind me so much of Mark Zucherburg
[17:56] <bigcalm> My name wasn't in the backers list in the credit
[17:56] <bigcalm> Guess slacker backers don't get a look in
[18:10] <Myrtti> I've never played such games so it's a bit difficult
[18:29] <penguin42> had someone at our LUG with a Lenovo E145 laptop - wouldn't take 13.10; blackscreened - with nomodeset we got it going textmode; probably would have taken fglrx from that point maybe
[18:32] <penguin42> was a new Radeon I think
[18:41] <bigcalm> So I finished chapter 1 of Broken Age. Now what do I do with my life?
[18:42]  * penguin42 hands bigcalm Wolfron's New Science - now read that, and tell me whether I should bother
[18:42] <bigcalm> Humf
[18:42]  * bigcalm stares at his DQL for a bit
[18:42] <penguin42> dql?
[18:43] <bigcalm> Doctrine Query Language (I think)
[18:43] <bigcalm> It's a form of SQL specific to Doctrine
[18:43] <bigcalm> A PHP thing
[18:44] <penguin42> ah
[19:12] <zleap> hi tombrough
[20:34] <foobarry> what does the "radio" or baseband version on a phone actually do?
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: the radio traffic (GSM, LTE, UMTS, etc.) is handled by a separate chip because of its timing sensitivity
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: that chip runs closed firmware, which is the "baseband" ROM
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> it could of course be "open" but it's not (and from the reverse-engineering I've seen it's bad code too)
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> http://www.slideshare.net/slides_luis/baseband-playground-10652487
[20:36] <foobarry> my wife's phone behaves itself normally except for in calls lately has been dropping or going "on hold"
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2011/Fahrplan/attachments/2022_11-ccc-qcombbdbg.pdf
[20:36] <foobarry> could it be realted to radio firmware>
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: dropping "on hold" calls could be radio firmware, or the network being bad
[20:37] <penguin42> foobarry: There's so much firmware who the hell knows?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1lYU0VMCoY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCcKk8R0LFI
[20:37] <foobarry> I've updated her to the same version as me
[20:37] <foobarry> soo many linksss
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: lots of background infoz
[20:38] <foobarry> will take a look
[20:38] <foobarry> i can't replicate the problem
[20:39] <foobarry> probably hold off on re-installing CM7 on the phone for the mo
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: try with stock :)
[20:39] <foobarry> i have the identical phone to her
[20:40] <foobarry> except she has superlcd screen and i have oled
[20:40] <foobarry> woops, i was on the same radio firmware as her, now i'm not
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: you want to watch those videos -- they're about vulnerabilities in those firmwares :)
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: and you seem like a Chaos Computer Club kind of guy ;)
[20:43] <foobarry> but....but...it was a link on xda developers...it must be OK!
[20:43] <foobarry> :P
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[20:45] <foobarry> has anyone experienced noticably better reception and less dropped calls etc from updating radio firmware>
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: not myself, but I've seen lots of reports.
[20:45] <dogmatic69> I ran update and disk ran out of space, now mysql is half updated / half broken with my server down :(
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it can also be an interaction between the network('s devices) and the radio in the phone
[20:46] <ali1234> lol, the same thing just happened to me
[20:46] <foobarry> adblock on chrome has stopped working completely :S
[20:46] <ali1234> luckily only on a scratch vm
[20:46] <foobarry> gonna let the wife use this for a week and report back.
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: so if one network uses Huawei base stations, they might have slightly different quirks than, say Ericsson
[20:46] <foobarry> i don't wanna have to buy her a new phone
[20:46] <foobarry> true. we're both on same network, but she might be in the same cell each time when it happens
[20:47] <dogmatic69> any ideas on how to fix this? http://bin.cakephp.org/view/338868815
[20:47] <foobarry> etc
[20:47] <dogmatic69> ali1234: damn... :/
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: I live on the 7th floor, and I can "see" a wide range of towers.
[20:47] <ali1234> dogmatic69: i made some space then ran apt-get -f install && apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: On my old phone, calls dropped when I walked from one side of my house to the other (handover across $long_distance, I always suspected my network didn't support that)
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: but with my new phone it's fine
[20:48] <dogmatic69> ali1234: -f install fails
[20:48] <foobarry> so a new radio fw might have fixef that?
[20:48] <dogmatic69> see paste :/
[20:48] <ali1234> then your system is broken
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it might
[20:48] <dogmatic69> ali1234: ;(
[20:48] <foobarry> hard to find the commonly acecpted "good" version for the htc desire
[20:49] <foobarry> since most commenters are noobs , and forums suck
[20:49] <directhex> need to restore a huawei android phone to stock
[20:49]  * foobarry also phone noob
[20:49] <directhex> urgh
[20:50] <dogmatic69> ali1234: think I fixed it apt-get remove mysql, then reinstalled
[20:50] <dogmatic69> ITS ALIVE !!!!
[20:51] <foobarry> edmund eating all that turkish delight on LW and the wardrobe makes me feel a bit sick
[20:51]  * dogmatic69 mops brow... that was close
[20:51] <foobarry> page 1 of 231 for the htc desire radio thread..have i mentioned how i hate fora?
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> HTC Desire is also 500 years old
[20:56] <foobarry> yes, but should still work like when it was new
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> it's HTC, not Nokia 8-)
[20:56] <foobarry> but 231*10 posts per page is a lot
[20:59] <directhex> android, like win9x, slows down & gets horrible after a while. reformatting fixes it
[20:59] <ali1234> why limit that to win9x? it applies to all versions up to vista at least
[21:00] <foobarry> my issue is not slowness but phone calls
[21:00] <foobarry> but i had horrific slowness recently on my own phone
[21:01] <foobarry> flashed to a nightly and it was buggy
[21:01] <foobarry> restored a nandroid backup
[21:01] <foobarry> resolved the issue somehow, may have been removing swifkey
[21:02] <foobarry> there is quite a similarity between windows and android in other areas too though
[21:24] <Myrtti> does tax year always start on 6th of April?
[21:25] <Myrtti> it does
[21:25] <Myrtti> ta
[21:26] <penguin42> Myrtti: I'd blame the romans but apparently it wasn't their fault
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> whose fault is it then?
[21:34] <moreati> MartijnVdS: it's based on April Fool's day, inflation adjusted
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> moreati: sounds reasonable enough 8-)
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> moreati: tbh, it's probably related to the fact that the new year used to start on March 25
[21:35] <MartijnVdS> moreati: so March 24 year X -> March 25 year Y
[21:36] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh or at least 'Quarter days' of which the 1st was 25 March, then you add the Julian/Gregorian offset
[21:36] <moreati> March 25th, plus 11 days for switch to Gregorian calendar http://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-2738,00.html
[21:36] <MartijnVdS> http://www.adsb.co.uk/date_and_time/calendar_reform_1752/
[21:36] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: ^
[21:37] <penguin42> nod
[21:37] <penguin42> see, not the Romans
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> so.. it's because you've been a country for too long without interruption ;)
[21:37]  * penguin42 doesn't like the idea of the interruption bit
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: well we tried to fix that
[21:38] <MartijnVdS> (with William III)
[21:39] <Myrtti> I've sunk to that level off hell where I'm trying to calculate how many days each year I've spent in UK. this process has so far involved fiddling with my datadump from the ashes of Dopplr, importing it to Google Calendar, filling in some dates that were missing based on Ryanair emails, then exporting that to .ics file, doing some creative grep and sed work to get it into CSV and importing it into Google Docs.
[21:40] <Myrtti> also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: YES!
[21:40] <Myrtti> thanks whoever pasted that here earlier this week
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: he makes great videos on his own as well (not part of computerphile :)
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBa659QWEk1AI4Tg--mrJ2A
[21:41] <Myrtti> if I had known I'd stumble on this stuff so soon, I wouldn't have watched that video with such relish few days ago.
[21:41] <Myrtti> because I haven't got enough expletetives for this
[21:42] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: don't you have Finnish expletives?
[21:42] <MartijnVdS> I've heard those can be quite strong
[21:42] <penguin42> reading the tzdata source is pretty good
[21:42] <Myrtti> I've been pondering this for a few days, they get inflated too if they're used more than twice in an hour
[21:42] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it's a bit like that video, but in code
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: "Perkele-hyperinflation"?
[21:43] <Myrtti> well, I have to rate limit myself. If I use them too often and too much, I'll burst a vein in my head
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> ah yes, that would be counter-productive
[21:44] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh I'd bet that's what he based most of it on - it's got lost of curly bits of weird history
[21:55] <dogmatic69> done some clearing out, now only using 5.4GB, was using 75GB
[21:55] <dogmatic69> all log files :/
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> nice
[22:10] <daftykins> wowzer! :)
[22:15] <Myrtti> I wish I had a stiff drink
[22:15] <Myrtti> I might just try out the organic cranberry lager the company christmas parcel had
[22:16] <daftykins> that sounds very novel
[22:17] <Myrtti> it is
[22:18] <daftykins> is it from a local brewery?
[22:29] <mapps> lager ? most fancie drinks seem to be ales i thought
[22:29] <mapps> dont like ale myself:)
[22:29] <Myrtti> daftykins: yeah, Mikkeli
[22:30] <daftykins> mapps: :O ales are great :(
[22:30] <MartijnVdS> all hail ale!
[22:30] <mapps> hang on is ale the same as bitter?
[22:30] <Myrtti> I'd link you to their website but it's all flash and doesn't seem to have English content
[22:31] <MartijnVdS> google translate!
[22:34] <Myrtti> yeah, won't make you suffer that
[22:38] <daftykins> Myrtti: ty ^_^
[22:39] <daftykins> mapps: nah
[22:57] <mapps> oh