[05:20] <Kilos> morning peeps
[06:39] <somaunn> Hello Dear
[06:39] <Kilos> hi somaunn 
[06:39] <Kilos> hehe
[06:39] <somaunn> Kilos: thanks yesterday you left so early
[06:40] <Kilos> i go to bed around 9pm everynight somaunn i'm old
[06:41] <somaunn> hehe
[06:41] <somaunn> tell me please who is Maaz
[06:41] <somaunn> is he a bot or ?????......
[06:42] <Kilos> the bot here on the channel
[06:42] <Kilos> records our meetings and does other stuff
[06:42] <somaunn> cool
[06:42] <Kilos> Maaz, help
[06:42] <Maaz> Kilos: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[06:42] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[06:42] <somaunn> he look so hume 
[06:42] <somaunn> he look so human
[06:42] <Kilos> pm it and go through what it can do
[06:43] <Kilos> yeah written in python by some of our guys, cocooncrash and tumbleweed in the forefront
[06:46] <somaunn> Kilos: cool
[06:46] <Kilos> yeah
[06:47] <Kilos> also it is in the ubuntu repos so can be installed on personal servers and your own pc
[06:48] <Kilos> i have 2 running on my channel as well on different hosts ##kilos
[06:48] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:51] <somaunn> Kilos: have you eared of Obsidian.co.za ?
[06:52] <Kilos> nope im not clued up on pc stuff and the internet
[06:52] <somaunn> Maaz: find obsidian
[06:52] <Maaz> somaunn: Huh?
[06:52] <Kilos> mobile broadband limits the amount of browsing one can do
[06:53] <Kilos> Maaz, google obsidian
[06:53] <Maaz> Kilos: "Obsidian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsidian :: "Obsidian Entertainment" http://www.obsidian.net/ :: "Obsidian - Minecraft Wiki" http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Obsidian :: "Obsidian: Igneous Rock - Pictures, Uses, Properties - Geology.com" http://geology.com/rocks/obsidian.shtml :: "Obsidian"
[06:53] <Maaz> http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/education/facts/obsidian.html :: "Amazon.com: Obsidian (A Lux Novel) eBook: Jennifer …
[06:54] <Kilos> ah i looked at the site somaunn 
[06:55] <Kilos> hi Golynx 
[06:55] <Golynx> Hi Kilos
[06:56] <Golynx> I cant get this damn permissions thing to work grrr
[06:57] <Kilos> permissions where Golynx ?
[06:57] <Golynx> Tried 15 sites already none of their commands works
[06:58] <Kilos> what are you trying to get admin rights to?
[06:58] <Golynx> Permissions for my scripts to create folders and write to files
[06:58] <Kilos> on your own pc?
[06:59] <Golynx> Yes 
[06:59] <Kilos> try running the tool you are using with sudo
[06:59] <Golynx> I need it , if it dont work in php it wont work in any other language either
[07:00] <Kilos> i dont know how those things work
[07:00] <Kilos> but you must be able to get permissions on everything in your own pc
[07:01] <Golynx> I already got root to read/write the web folder
[07:01] <Kilos> so what is blocking you then
[07:02] <Kilos> what commands have you tried
[07:02] <Golynx> When my script creates a new file it spits out permission denied
[07:02] <Kilos> you gotta be careful using some commands
[07:03] <Golynx> Why do my root username appear twice when i type "users" in terminal
[07:03] <Kilos> you must have added a user somehow
[07:04] <Kilos> oh mine shows 3 times
[07:04] <Kilos> hehe
[07:04] <Golynx> Nope only user i added was another one but different name
[07:04] <Golynx> hmm
[07:04] <Kilos> ask that question tonight when the guys are back from shopping and other saterday stuff
[07:04] <Golynx> Anyway i will try some more 
[07:05] <Kilos> tell me where is this script you have written
[07:05] <Kilos> you gonna battle to let root allow strange scripts in
[07:06] <Golynx> In a custom directory in my /home/user/ folder
[07:06] <Kilos> you can get full control of that folder using chown
[07:07] <Kilos> is it that folder itself thats blocking you?
[07:07] <Golynx> already used chown to set my root username as owner there
[07:07] <Kilos> what chown command did you use
[07:08] <Golynx> Nope every script executes perfectly, except when it has to create folders and files
[07:08] <Kilos> chown is very powerful and you can break things if used incorrectly
[07:08] <Kilos> oh the script needs to be able to create folders and files
[07:09] <Golynx> Yes
[07:10] <Kilos> must be then something needed in the script to give it permission
[07:10] <Kilos> im just guessing here. i know nothing about those things
[07:10] <Kilos> have you looked at vim
[07:11] <Kilos> using vim allows scripts to run i think
[07:11] <Golynx> I dont wana give apache server full root powers though, but looks like i have to
[07:11] <Kilos> i started learning it but too much to remember unless used daily
[07:11] <Golynx> never used vim
[07:12] <Kilos> its a bash tool i think
[07:12] <Kilos> there were more, ask mage when he comes
[07:13] <Kilos> Maaz, google using vim on 12.04
[07:13] <Maaz> Kilos: "Updating vim 7.3.429 to 7.3.885 on Ubuntu 12.04 - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/321931/updating-vim-7-3-429-to-7-3-885-on-ubuntu-12-04 :: "Coloured view in vim editor not working in ubuntu 12.04 - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/298747/coloured-view-in-vim-editor-not-working-in-ubuntu-12-04 :: "Installing and Using the Vim Text
[07:13] <Maaz> Editor on a Cloud Server ..." https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/installing-and-u…
[07:13] <Kilos> ai!
[07:13] <Kilos> learn python man
[07:14] <Kilos> Maaz, google byteofpython
[07:14] <Maaz> Kilos: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://swaroopch.com/notes/python/ :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/ :: "A Byte of Python (PDF) - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf :: "A Byte of Python" http://www.byteofpython.info/ :: "Free PDF: A Byte of Python by Swaroop C
[07:14] <Maaz> H" http://freepdfs.org/pdf/a-byte-of-python :: "A Byte of Python in German" http://abop-ge…
[07:14] <Golynx> I cant waste more data on google trying to fix this issue ai
[07:14] <Kilos> ai!
[07:15] <Golynx> I already know about python, for 3 years now been making a few programs with it and some games with pygame
[07:15] <Kilos> then just wait here till one of the clever guys has time to help
[07:15] <Kilos> aha
[07:15] <Golynx> Hav'nt done web development with it though
[07:16] <Kilos> that might be the answer though. the fly tells everyone to use python
[07:16] <Golynx> I will have the same permissions issue on python aswell 
[07:17] <Kilos> and there are some python experts in this channel but they cant chat all day like me
[07:17] <Kilos> the experts will tell you how to fix the permissions thing
[07:18] <Kilos> thats all beyong my knowledge
[07:18] <Kilos> beyond
[07:18] <Golynx> Its ok i will keep trying 
[07:18] <Kilos> lets see
[07:18] <Kilos> georgl, you here?
[07:25] <Golynx> You got a beautiful daughter Kilos, she got your cheaks :)
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[07:30] <Kilos> you can chown that one folder only so you got permission
[07:30] <Kilos> but only that one thats blocking you
[07:30] <Kilos> dont fiddle near root
[07:31] <Kilos> there is actually a command to see the rw permissions
[07:31] <Golynx> I dunno how to use Is -l 
[07:32] <Kilos> but to get the user permissions there
[07:32] <Kilos> ls -l maybe
[07:32] <Kilos> lemme try
[07:32] <Kilos> ya that shows lots
[07:33] <Kilos> is it just that one folder blocking you?
[07:33] <Golynx> Apache uses the group www-data , but when i type "groups" in terminal www-data is not listed in there
[07:33] <Kilos> apache is blocking you?
[07:33] <Golynx> Yes 
[07:34] <Kilos> yes to which question?
[07:34] <Golynx> Yes only in the www folder apache uses
[07:35] <Kilos> then chown only that folder
[07:35] <Golynx> Other scripts in its subdirectory also wont create new files
[07:35] <Kilos> sudo chown user:user path to folder
[07:36] <Golynx> I did already, ai lemme try again
[07:36] <Kilos> to make chown more powerful add -R
[07:37] <Kilos> sudo chown -R user:user path to folder
[07:37] <Golynx> ok
[07:38] <Golynx> Scripts still wont give permission
[07:38] <Kilos> ai!
[07:38] <Kilos> wait for an expert
[07:38] <Golynx> How do i add my username to the group www-data
[07:39] <Kilos> maybe thats it but i dunno
[07:39] <Kilos> where is this www-data
[07:39] <Golynx> I got another user there i created yesterday, but dont think its got permissions to do anything
[07:40] <Kilos> ai!
[07:40] <Golynx> www-data is apache servers group
[07:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:41] <Golynx> I have to remove that user, its showing up at my boot login
[07:41] <Kilos> i would tell you wrong things to do as this is out of my depth
[07:41] <Golynx> Its ok thanks Kilos
[09:00] <Kilos> wbb
[09:08] <Golynx> wb Kilos
[09:09] <Kilos> ty
[09:09] <Golynx> np
[09:10] <Kilos> back fiddling withn the 2TB
[09:11] <Golynx> Aah hope for success this time round
[09:13] <Kilos> haha major work making unused areas to not use bad sectors
[09:15] <Golynx> That sounds tough
[09:16] <Kilos> yeah and stupid xp thats on there wants an admin password i didnt give it
[09:16] <Kilos> grrr
[09:16] <georgl> Kilos: 
[09:17] <Kilos> trying to run recovery after changing parts
[09:17] <Kilos> ohi georgl 
[09:17] <georgl> morning
[09:17] <georgl> you looking for me
[09:17] <Kilos> do you know how to get permissions with apache stuff
[09:17] <Kilos> Golynx, battling
[09:18] <georgl> have not done that for a while
[09:18] <georgl> what do you want to do?
[09:19] <Golynx> Hi georgl
[09:19] <georgl> hi
[09:19] <Golynx> I cant seem to get php to create new files and folders permission denied everytime
[09:20] <Golynx> I tried lots of ways already
[09:20] <Golynx> Windows i did'nt had this headache
[09:20] <Kilos> he is new to buntu georgl 
[09:21] <georgl> are you creating the new file
[09:21] <georgl> in the apached dir?
[09:22] <georgl> maybe i should ask the following?
[09:22] <georgl> where are you storing the php files?
[09:22] <Golynx> I my web server root at /home/username/www  , its already got www-data and my user as full write  and read access
[09:22] <georgl> ok
[09:23] <georgl> what is the permissions for that directory?
[09:23] <Golynx> drwxr-xr-x 47 username www-data 4096 Jan 14 17:48 /home/username/www/
[09:24] <georgl> and you are trying to create a php file?
[09:24] <Golynx> Yes and other text file types plus folders with php script
[09:25] <georgl> what is the message you get when you are trying to save it?
[09:26] <Golynx> [Sat Jan 18 10:59:19 2014] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Warning:  fopen(thetest.txt) [<a href='function.fopen'>function.fopen</a>]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/username/www/1test/fberry.php on line 3
[09:27] <georgl> pastebin the script you have created please?
[09:28] <Golynx> Plus other scripts in other directories, but always the same permission denied error
[09:29] <Golynx> Its not just the one file create script, when i try create zip file aswell it gives the same error
[09:30] <Golynx> That scripts work on other servers and worked perfect on windows aswell. I just cant get the apache configuration right on linux
[09:32] <Golynx> http://pastebin.com/hCG80zgE
[09:35] <georgl> open up a terminal
[09:35] <Golynx> The other zip script http://pastebin.com/vg24XK5S
[09:35] <georgl> goto the dir where the script is installed
[09:36] <Golynx> Ok
[09:36] <georgl> run it php cli and see if it workd
[09:36] <georgl> run it with php cli and see if it workd
[09:37] <Golynx> How do i do that nevr used cli with php
[09:38] <georgl> php <filename.php>
[09:39] <Golynx> It works :) thetest.txt was created
[09:40] <Kilos> oyay ty georgl sorry to bother you
[09:41] <Golynx> Why wont it work from the browser though , where i need it to work
[09:41] <Kilos> see Golynx just need to learn the different way of doing things
[09:42] <georgl> create a file in the dir with name of phpinfo.php and paste http://slexy.org/view/s20SP0grEC into it
[09:42] <georgl> browse to the file and see what it tells you?
[09:44] <Golynx> I already got a info.php in my web root georgl , i dunno where to look though so much there
[09:44] <georgl> pastebin it
[09:45] <Golynx> ok
[09:47] <Golynx> I just copied and pasted it http://pastebin.com/pPbQJhV5
[09:49] <Kilos> slexy.org is faster and lighter than pastebin
[09:50] <georgl> how did you do the apache and php installation?
[09:51] <Golynx> From Synaptics package manager
[09:53] <Kilos> synaptic
[09:53] <Golynx> I dont see mod_rewrite there in info.php though
[09:54] <Golynx> and apache.conf does'nt give ability to enable and disable modules . I used to be able to do that on windows
[09:55] <georgl> i suggest you look at apache documentation for that
[09:56] <Golynx> I will try do that
[09:58] <georgl> Golynx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:58] <georgl> take a look at that
[10:01] <Golynx> Ty georgl i will have a look and try figure out how to fix this issue
[10:10] <georgl> good luck
[10:11] <Golynx> ty georgl, will keep at it till its fixed :)
[12:08]  * Golynx gave up on apache,php,mysql . Removed it and will try again next month.
[12:17] <Golynx> Kilos does your opera resize the window ? Mine stays at max i cant resize it
[12:18] <Golynx> Have to be able to resize it, cause i do my mobile web apps that way
[13:03] <Golynx> Kilos does your opera resize the window ? Mine stays at max i cant resize it
[13:03] <Kilos> ok lemme look
[13:04] <Kilos> i didnt see i was offline but told you i use opera on its own workspace then you dont need to worry about resizing
[13:04] <Kilos> um
[13:05] <Golynx> I have to be able to resize it, cause i do my mobile web apps that way
[13:05] <Kilos> click the resize then go to top right corner and if it shows arrows drag it smaller
[13:05] <Kilos> if no arrows click resize again and then drag smalle
[13:06] <Golynx> There is no resize button and now resize hover icon on the edge
[13:06] <Golynx> no*
[13:11] <Kilos> left top
[13:12] <Kilos> on the top blach panel hidden
[13:12] <Kilos> hover over it
[13:18] <Golynx> Ubuntu crashed 
[13:19] <Golynx> I tried resizing the window then everything froze , had to reboot
[13:20] <Golynx> Now it works :/
[13:22] <Kilos> resing how?
[13:22] <Kilos> im sure half your probs will disappear one you have done a proper upgrade Golynx 
[13:22] <Golynx> Top left corner ubuntu window , minimize maximize
[13:23] <Kilos> ya thats the way
[13:23] <Kilos> i also battled in the beginning with it hiding in the top panel
[13:23] <Kilos> drove me nuts
[13:23] <Golynx> We did that and it said nothing to upgrade
[13:23] <Kilos> made me hate unity to start with
[13:23] <Kilos> you have security unticked man
[13:24] <Kilos> how can it see stuff iff you closed the door
[13:24] <Kilos> you said next week
[13:24] <Kilos> lets hope
[13:25] <Golynx> Next month i said, will have to scrape along till then
[13:25] <Kilos> ive just done a clean install on a 160g drive but will upgrade after 11pm if i can stay awake
[13:25] <Kilos> ai! i wasted too much as well getting an iso upgraded
[13:26] <Golynx> Aah my size drive, its weekend you can stay up lol
[13:26] <Kilos> you will see after a proper upgrade how much better everything works
[13:26] <Kilos> every day is weekend for me
[13:27] <Kilos> same thing everyday . sheep fowls weeds pc
[13:27] <Golynx> I guess so
[13:27] <Kilos> and im 62
[13:27] <Kilos> and been dead
[13:27] <Kilos> got rebooted in icu
[13:28] <Kilos> anyway now your resize works
[13:29] <Golynx> Glad your still with us Kilos,. Keep on being active and healthy you will live longer than me
[13:29] <Golynx> Ya im glad now i can do my html5 :)
[13:30] <Kilos> lol
[13:30] <Kilos> see everything os sortable on ubuntu
[13:30] <Kilos> you just need patience and dont think windows style
[13:31] <Golynx> Ya thats true , but i always forget lol
[13:31] <Golynx> Will take some time getting used to
[13:32] <Symmetria> sup :)
[13:32]  * Symmetria is happy :) 
[13:32] <Kilos> yeah it does.
[13:32] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[13:32] <Symmetria> my employer just showed up at my house with my new toy
[13:32] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/car/car.jpg
[13:32] <Kilos> what you scored now
[13:33] <Symmetria> lol my company car finally arrived ;p
[13:33] <Kilos> give that link for your screen pc setup there
[13:33] <Kilos> nice
[13:33] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/temp/screens.jpg
[13:33] <Symmetria> that one?
[13:33] <Golynx> hi Symmetria
[13:34] <Kilos> and tell Golynx what that pc cost
[13:34] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_ 
[13:34] <Symmetria> lol in total with the screens, graphics cards driving it, ram, cpu, drive space and everything?
[13:34] <Kilos> ya
[13:34] <Symmetria> I'd have to work it out but close to 100 grand 
[13:35] <Kilos> not all the 3tb drives
[13:35] <Symmetria> the video cards are about 10 grand each and there are 3 of them
[13:35] <Symmetria> the screens are 7k each and there are 4 of them
[13:35] <Symmetria> so thats 58 grand alone 
[13:35] <Symmetria> then about 40 grand for the rest of the machine
[13:35] <Kilos> where do they all plug in?
[13:35] <Symmetria> heh kilos machine has 4 PCI-E slots
[13:35] <Kilos> wow
[13:35] <Kilos> what mobo is that
[13:36] <Symmetria> thats a gigabyte UD series, its an x79 socket 2011 
[13:36] <Kilos> ah
[13:36] <Symmetria> with an ivy-e bridge 3960K cpu 
[13:37] <Kilos> gigabyte stuff works well when they work but once they start niggling whew
[13:37] <Golynx> Symmetria thats some awesome setup you got wow
[13:38] <Symmetria> kilos I wanna get an asus board, they have an asus rampage iv 
[13:38] <Symmetria> which is awesome sauce
[13:38] <Symmetria> but the board alone is 5 grand
[13:39] <Kilos> whew
[13:40] <Kilos> you havent got time to get married. put me in your will for the pc stuff
[13:43] <Golynx> Looks like a space ship cockpit lol. i love it :)
[13:44] <Kilos> haha
[13:46] <Golynx> If i can get more serious about web development i will be able to have something similar setup as Symmetria, in about 3 - 5 years time
[13:51] <Golynx> ai crashed again
[13:51] <Kilos> run sudo touch /forcefsck and reboot
[13:52] <Golynx> ok
[14:10] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[14:10] <Kilos> whew that killed the lynx
[14:11] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[14:12] <Golynx> ai modem failed 2 times
[14:12] <Kilos> ah
[14:13] <Golynx> Thats just a quick check though
[14:14] <Kilos> mine has crashed a couple of times today. need to untick enable networking then enable again then connect
[14:16] <Golynx> ok ,i'm glad it works most of the time
[14:17] <Kilos> proves that when you get a good one hang on to it
[14:18] <Golynx> thats true, mine gets a bit hot after a few hours, hopefully wont break
[14:18] <Kilos> they all do
[14:18] <Kilos> but dont all disconnect at random
[14:18] <Golynx> Aah thats good
[14:28] <magespawn> later all
[14:29] <Kilos> ai! i didnt even see him here
[14:29] <Kilos> hi liamT 
[14:29] <liamT> greetings
[14:30] <Golynx> Hi liamT
[14:31] <liamT> greetings again
[14:31] <Kilos> hehe
[14:31] <Golynx> magespawn came in earlier 
[14:32] <Kilos> i musta been offline at the time
[14:32] <Golynx> Ya i think you were
[14:38] <liamT> anyone using Flask on Apache ?
[14:41] <Kilos> liamT, min peeps here now, ask again tonight
[14:42] <Golynx> I use apache , but never used the mod_wsgi module though
[14:43] <liamT> ok, still you might be able to answer this
[14:44] <Kilos> ok
[14:44] <Golynx> I'm not sure, hardly use cli
[14:45] <liamT> I have this application running under Apache, with the mod-wsgi module, and i want to serve it on port 80
[14:45] <liamT> so I set up a virtualhost containing all the various wsgi information
[14:46] <liamT> but I cannot see the app unless I change the port, the app apache settings are being overridden for lack of a better description
[14:46] <liamT> anything I should consider ?
[14:48] <Golynx> Are you using python
[14:50] <liamT> yes, Flask is a python microframework, like a slimmed down Django
[14:53] <charl> good afternoon
[14:53] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[14:53]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[14:53] <Kilos> hi charl 
[14:53] <charl> hi Kilos, liamT, Golynx 
[14:54] <Golynx> I only kno about php in apache though, never tried using django or python web framework before. This may help though http://www.lonesomedev.com/?p=169
[14:54] <Golynx> Hi charl
[14:56] <Golynx> or like Kilos said there are many here experienced with python web frameworks so they may help more than i can
[14:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[15:00] <charl> Maaz: thank you
[15:00] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[15:01] <charl> oh yeah i recall i did some projects in flask
[15:01] <charl> wasn't that related to the werkzeug project?
[15:04] <Golynx> liamT may know about that charl, i never heard of that
[15:07] <charl> oh sorry i only see the ping timeout now
[15:08] <Golynx> np
[15:09] <Kilos> wb liamT 
[15:33] <liamT> blerry connection
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <Golynx> I struggle getting php to work right in ubuntu aswell. Mostly the various permission though
[15:44] <Golynx> I will try this aswell when i set up django in a few moths http://www.lonesomedev.com/?p=169 
[15:44] <Golynx> months*
[15:54] <Kilos> ohi Mzolisto are you actually here or still just lurking
[16:00] <Kilos> wbb
[16:53] <liamT> taa
[16:55] <Kilos> did you get some help liamT ?
[16:57] <liamT> thanking Golynx
[16:57] <liamT> think I will have to map to /etc/hosts. So instead of serving to 127.0.0.1/ap1 i'll use ap1.localhost or similar
[16:59] <liamT> i think it's the servername I'm specifying incorrectly. I want 127.0.0.1/app name, but then what ServerName do I use ? the various permutations I've tried seem to make no difference
[16:59] <liamT> you all have a good evening
[17:09] <Squirm> hi
[17:09] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[17:43] <Private_User> evening all :)
[17:43] <psydroid> evening Private_User :)
[17:43] <Kilos> hi Private_User psydroid 
[17:44] <Private_User> good evening psydroid and Kilos
[17:48] <Private_User> hey anybody heard of or used Zorin OS? I see its based on Ubuntu. It made me think what does that mean when they say its based on Ubuntu cause I see many flavours of Linux based on Ubuntu but what exactly does that mean?
[17:48] <Kilos> i think its mainly the gui thats different
[17:49] <Kilos> like lubuntu and xubuntu
[17:51] <Private_User> mmm... ok but why not just call it ubuntu
[17:52] <Kilos> i might be wrong it might be a fork that kept gnome2
[17:52] <Kilos> Squirm, ?
[17:52] <Kilos> he will know
[17:55] <Private_User> cause I was thinking of suggesting that OS for maybe my family since they are windows users and according to what I read on the net it is designed for new comers from windows to linux
[17:55] <Private_User> but I was still wondering what exactly does based on Ubuntu mean
[17:56] <Kilos> im not sure Private_User if you have uncapped get and try it
[17:56] <Kilos> just be careful it isnt as complete as ubuntu is
[17:56] <Kilos> might need more serious geek work
[17:57] <Private_User> could we then create our own flavour of Linux maybe call it ZA-Ubuntu created by the ZA peeps ;)
[17:57] <Kilos> but you wont know till you have tried it
[17:57] <Private_User> yeah but its not only that I have seen other flavours as well based on Ubuntu
[17:57] <Private_User> so was just curious
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah i think its all free open source but calling it ubuntu anything might have some leagal stuff to get past
[17:58] <Kilos> there was someone here a while back said is was lekker but i dont remember who
[18:00] <Private_User> ok, I guess when I get really bored, cannot sleep and have nothing do I will use my midnight data to browse the net and find out exactly what it means when they say one distro is based on another
[18:01] <Private_User> maybe even see what it takes to create ones own distro as well
[18:01] <Kilos> oh you also mobile broadband
[18:02] <Private_User> yep using 3G
[18:02] <Kilos> it will be a big job i think. takes lotsa work from a large group of guys 
[18:02] <Kilos> big restrictions 3g
[18:03] <Kilos> unless you are rich
[18:03] <Private_User> yep and nope not rich
[18:03] <Private_User> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> same here i force myself to stay up to upgrade on night surfer
[18:04] <Kilos> normally bed time at 9pm
[18:04] <Kilos> meeting 28th hey
[18:04] <Kilos> please be here
[18:04] <Kilos> we gonna discuss the internet in za
[18:05] <Private_User> lekker, cool will do that what time?
[18:05] <Kilos> 8.30 pm
[18:05] <Private_User> I might need a reminder closer to the time
[18:05] <Kilos> do you tweet?
[18:05] <Kilos> i normally leave a tweet reminder and on the lists
[18:06] <Kilos> oh and inetpro leaves one on g+
[18:10] <magespawn> good evening all
[18:11] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:12] <Kilos> sorry i missed you today
[18:12] <magespawn> no worries
[18:14] <magespawn> still working on the 2tb nighttmare?
[18:14] <Kilos> that antenna looks interesting where do the wires connect
[18:15] <Kilos> yes but im getting closer
[18:15] <Kilos> xp runs fine on it
[18:15] <magespawn> cool beans
[18:15] <Kilos> first 100m seems to be ok and then 130g bad
[18:15] <Kilos> so ive made that unused
[18:16] <Kilos> but need to do it here. other pc way too slow
[18:17] <Kilos> even here ubuntu takes hours to even get to the partition stage
[18:17] <magespawn> to the coaxial pigtail
[18:17] <Kilos> ya but to where actually
[18:18] <Kilos> one to the centre and screens to the outside?
[18:18] <Kilos> wont be very far coverage though
[18:18] <magespawn> the pigtail has a connector on it that connects to either a wireless card or a router or similar device
[18:20] <Golynx> Kilos is there a way to remove the disk checking when i reboot ? My videos goes blank after a while
[18:20] <magespawn> it is meant to be directional i think so that  you can extend coverage
[18:20] <Kilos> yes dont run that command
[18:20] <Golynx> All tried vlc too, its blank, just the sound playing
[18:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:20] <Golynx> But it checks automatically
[18:21] <Kilos> every boot?
[18:21] <Golynx> yes
[18:21] <Kilos> not supposed to
[18:21] <Kilos> screen might be going blank while it runs the boot stuff
[18:22] <Kilos> supposed to show a boot splash or text
[18:22] <Kilos> yagi is the best magespawn 
[18:22] <Kilos> we even used them for cb radio and hams use them
[18:22] <Golynx> It checks everything, but my video players goes black screen after a while, that sucks
[18:23] <Kilos> and you can buy wifi yagis
[18:23] <magespawn> the same guy has some interesting designs for yagi too
[18:23] <Kilos> vlc never gives probs on an upgraded system
[18:23] <Kilos> be patient till next month
[18:23] <magespawn> Golynx, is it not the screen saver kicking in?
[18:24] <Kilos> that too ya
[18:24] <Kilos> check in settings under power
[18:24] <Golynx> No magespawn, i am busy on the pc while the video plays
[18:24] <magespawn> ahh well
[18:25] <Golynx> It just goes blank , and i have to reboot to fix it
[18:25] <Kilos> if you werent so far id fix it for you
[18:25] <Kilos> go find wifi somewhere and upgrade
[18:25] <magespawn> does seem a bit strange
[18:26] <Kilos> never had hassles with vlc
[18:26] <Golynx> Ok nevermind, i will whack this lappy against the wall in a few months lol
[18:26] <magespawn> turn it into a server instead
[18:26] <Kilos> no man
[18:27] <magespawn> no need for graphics then
[18:28] <magespawn> not sure if the wireless works out of the box
[18:28] <Golynx> Just kidding , will keep on using it till it breaks :)
[18:29] <magespawn> i have a lappy doing time as a server
[18:29] <Kilos> magespawn, explain to him why security updates are important
[18:29] <Golynx> This lappy never gave me hardware issues at all, mostly it was me that messed up in the software side
[18:30] <Kilos> it will be fine man
[18:30] <Kilos> those updates will fix everything
[18:30] <Golynx> I cant use it as a server though magespawn
[18:30] <Golynx> No broadband or a stable location for a server setup
[18:31] <Golynx> We will have to see Kilos
[18:32] <Golynx> I stil cant 3D model with blender , eventhough the graphics drivers are now in
[18:32] <magespawn> Golynx, it can serve for you
[18:33] <Golynx> I dont understand what you mean magespawn
[18:34] <magespawn> just a play on words, server - serve
[18:34] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Golynx> Ok cool, i will divorce the "r" and marry the "serve"
[18:36] <magespawn> if you are doing web development then you could run a web server to test 
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> then he needs another pc too
[18:37] <magespawn> yup or you can direct your browser to localhost
[18:37] <Golynx> I already do that with apache
[18:38] <Golynx> But will wana host and run my web apps from a cloud hosting though
[18:38] <magespawn> cool beans
[18:39] <Kilos> magespawn, http://fermi.la.asu.edu/ccli/applets/yagi/yagi.html
[18:39] <Kilos> not on 3g Golynx 
[18:39] <Kilos> or not till you got big bundles
[18:39] <Golynx> No guarentees when i run my own server , aspecially when i dont have a stable environtment to put it
[18:40] <Kilos> you need serious java there magespawn to get the modeller to run'
[18:40] <magespawn> i have been looking at cloudatcost.com
[18:41] <Kilos> i had to install oracle-java-installer to get it to open
[18:41] <magespawn> will check on monday
[18:43] <Golynx> For me google appengine is enough to host my apps. If i wana expand in future i can pay extra for space and bandwidth
[18:46] <Kilos> you still gonna sort my website one day got
[18:46] <Kilos> but i think it has everything needed
[18:46] <magespawn> for your book?
[18:46] <Kilos> free site but i forget where now
[18:47] <Kilos> yeah magespawn and maybe ill build custom pcs to sell there
[18:47] <Golynx> You got a website Kilos ?
[18:47] <magespawn> did you post the link here?
[18:47] <Kilos> a couple
[18:48] <Golynx> oh cool
[18:48] <Kilos> nope magespawn i havent published it yet till book is ready
[18:48] <Kilos> Maaz, kilos.site
[18:48] <Kilos> oh my
[18:48] <Kilos> am i offline again
[18:49] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[18:49] <Kilos> Maaz, ping
[18:49] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.site is http://mileys-site.yolasite.com and https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite
[18:49] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[18:49] <Maaz> Kilos: pong
[18:49] <Kilos> wow that was some lag
[18:50] <Kilos> my other site for the book is i dunno where
[18:50] <Kilos> oh ya weebly
[18:50] <Kilos> weebly.com i think
[18:51] <Kilos> https://secure.weebly.com/weebly/eclick.php?u=25099255&c=lifecycle.education.ecom&s=410362534&t=f568e28a4bdfa14bc5478db11a5683f9&r=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.weebly.com%2Fe-commerce--ads.html
[18:51] <Kilos> i think that goes there
[18:52] <Kilos> lucky they mailed me . id forgotten where it was
[18:52] <Golynx> Some nice sites there Kilos :)
[18:53] <Kilos> ty
[18:54] <Golynx> the weebly one is a weebly service page though
[18:54] <Golynx> yw
[18:54] <Kilos> oh then ill have to find my link but its not publish till ive got something to sell
[18:55] <Kilos> if i go there i think my browser remembers password and stuff
[18:55] <Kilos> but weebly.com offered frewe sites
[18:56] <Golynx> thats cool, there should be alot of people around the world looking for refurbished old pc's
[18:56] <Golynx> Just gotta make your site look great
[18:56] <Kilos> ill do new ones and refurbished and custom builds fo different orders
[18:56] <Kilos> gamers too
[18:57] <Kilos> maybe even sell windows cds if i can get permission'
[18:57] <Kilos> i dunno how that works
[18:57] <Kilos> surely one must supply a win7 dvd with a pc?
[18:57] <Golynx> Awesome , aslong as you know ther is a market for it
[18:58] <Kilos> i will do them on order only
[18:58] <Kilos> and they can deposit the cash direct to my supplier
[18:58] <Golynx> I dunno , it kinda sound like software piracy
[18:59] <Golynx> Ya you could do that
[19:00] <Kilos> i can buy win dvds. legal ones and resel i think
[19:00] <Kilos> i dunno how it works
[19:00] <magespawn> Kilos, anyone can sell windows cds but you have to buy them from microsoft or one their distributors
[19:00] <magespawn> buy for x sell for two time sx
[19:01] <magespawn> make money
[19:01] <Kilos> ya the peeps i get pc spares from sell them
[19:01] <Kilos> i mailed you i think
[19:01] <Kilos> omega.com i think
[19:01] <Kilos> they cheap
[19:01] <Kilos> sell foxconn stuff
[19:02] <Kilos> and pioneer dvdwriters
[19:02] <Kilos> and tons of other stuff
[19:02] <magespawn> yup, of you get big enough then you can buy wholesale
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <Kilos> dreams
[19:04] <Golynx> You are on the right track there Kilos, keep it up
[19:04] <Kilos> they not cheap. win7 and office can nearly build a new dual core pc
[19:04] <Kilos> i gotta do something
[19:04] <Kilos> many years unemployed
[19:05] <Kilos> but the head can handle working on pcs
[19:05] <Kilos> cant do physical stuff anymore
[19:06] <Golynx> if you were as creative and talented as your daughter, then you could be totally unique and sculpt custom pc's from wood or any other type of material :)
[19:07] <Kilos> lol
[19:07] <Kilos> 3d printer
[19:07] <Golynx> lol 
[19:08] <Golynx> Many of those kinda people in SA, that make artworks from everyday objects , even rubbish and people buy their creations
[19:09] <Kilos> im not creative but i love playing with hardware
[19:09] <Kilos> and seeing a working end product
[19:10] <Golynx> Aah thats ok too, aslong as you enjoy what you do 
[19:10] <Kilos> spent last 5 years or so making scrap pcs work
[19:11] <Kilos> yeah sorry i didnt start 20 or 30 years ago
[19:11] <Kilos> its the software that kills me thats why im here
[19:11] <Kilos> where the brains rest
[19:13] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[19:14] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:14] <Golynx> Its never too late
[19:14] <Golynx> hey superfly
[19:15] <superfly> oh Golynx
[19:16] <magespawn> hey superfly 
[19:17] <superfly> heya magespawn
[19:17] <Kilos> gotmeet the python master
[19:20] <Golynx> Pitty liamT aint here, the python master should know alot about flask
[19:21] <Kilos> he is super busy most of the time
[19:21] <Kilos> he helped me from a mechanic to where i am now
[19:22] <Kilos> him pro and mage and afew others
[19:22] <Kilos> i knew nothing when i came here
[19:22] <Kilos> only knew how to format and reinstall xp
[19:22] <magespawn> not only good on python
[19:22] <Golynx> Thats great, its good to have many teachers
[19:23] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy you been on holiday
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi :)
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have
[19:23] <Kilos> aha
[19:23] <magespawn> hey ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> some offline time
[19:23] <Golynx> Hi ThatGraemeGuy
[19:23] <Kilos> important meet 28th at 8.30pm ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:24] <Kilos> about the net in za
[19:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think i found an expensive hobby i probably shouldn't be researching, but will anyway
[19:24] <Kilos> tell
[19:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> drove a houseboat on the knysna lagoon for 2 nights
[19:24] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <magespawn> wow i tend to get strange symptoms when i do that
[19:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> totally addicted, i can see myself buying some form of water craft
[19:26] <Kilos> income much less
[19:26] <Kilos> and not good for family man with kids that gotta go to school
[19:26] <Kilos> unles you live onshore in a house
[19:29] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, come to the meeting and share youre knowledge before you go become a boat person
[19:30] <magespawn> can still be online onaboat
[19:30] <Kilos> ya with 3g if theres a tower near
[19:30] <Kilos> lotsa forest there
[19:30] <magespawn> or satellite 
[19:30] <Kilos> and motor must run to charge batteries
[19:31] <Kilos> and fuel going up again in 2 weeks
[19:31] <Golynx> or google internet balloons lol
[19:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't mean to live on, just something i can play with on weekends
[19:31] <magespawn> ahh a toy
[19:31] <Kilos> no need for pitbulls on a boat
[19:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> couple of nice big dams around an hour or so from me
[19:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> but yeah, not now :(
[19:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> 5-10 years maybe
[19:32] <Kilos> lekker ThatGraemeGuy boats are fun
[19:32] <Kilos> i spent years skiboat fishing
[19:32] <Kilos> not on dams of course
[19:32] <Golynx> yachts are even more fun , but more expensive
[19:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> but we will definitely go back to that place in knysna again and spend longer, 4 nights or so
[19:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> hopefully take another couple along
[19:33] <Kilos> lekker
[19:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> or even a group of 8, rent 2 boats
[19:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> so so so great an experience
[19:33] <Kilos> makes a good break away from work
[19:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[19:34] <Kilos> take the fly, he needs a break
[19:34] <magespawn> they also do house boats up here on jozi dam
[19:34] <Kilos> oh ya thats a massive dam magespawn 
[19:35] <Kilos> was near empty when i left there
[19:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> there are a couple around the country, some self-drive, some are chartered during the day and then they leave you alone at night
[19:35] <Kilos> peaceful out there
[19:36]  * Kilos loves the water
[20:04] <Kilos> oh magespawn remeber i told you bios showed something about a password on the 2 TB
[20:05] <Kilos> it doesnt show anymore
[20:05] <Kilos> but 7 wont install on it. it says this drive will crash soon 
[20:05] <Kilos> hehe
[20:06] <Kilos> i wanna prove it wrong
[20:07] <Kilos> as is i can use it as 1.7TB storage. but i want to install ubuntu on it then run badblocks
[20:07] <Golynx> Thats the way Kilos :)
[20:07] <Kilos> hehe
[20:07] <Kilos> stuborn
[20:08] <Kilos> stubborn
[20:09] <Kilos> i see 12.04 is now 12.04.4
[20:09] <Kilos> so near to last upgrading
[20:10] <Kilos> and 15 months of support left
[20:11] <Kilos> busy installing dos 7.1 on a broken 80g drive that only shows 10g
[20:12] <Golynx> Thats good, weed out those bugs
[20:12] <Kilos> lol
[20:12] <Kilos> many bad sectors
[20:12] <Kilos> but should end up with enough good space to save backups on
[20:13] <Kilos> use dos and windows to cover the bad areas
[20:13] <Golynx> Ya the backup option sounds good
[20:14] <Golynx> Best to install an os on a good drive
[20:14] <Kilos> yip
[20:15] <Kilos> but the 500g i have here is 20g win xp in the beginning and its lasted about a year so far
[20:15] <Kilos> one day ill buy some new drives
[20:15] <Kilos> hehe
[20:20] <Golynx> You will do great in your small business
[20:20] <Kilos> na im too lazy
[20:20] <Kilos> just wanna survive'
[20:20] <Kilos> doing what i enjoy doing
[20:21] <Golynx> oh ok, ya that will work too
[20:24] <magespawn> good night all
[20:26] <superfly> Kilos: you natting on about me again?
[20:27] <Kilos> me?
[20:29]  * Kilos pleads innocence
[20:30] <Kilos> everything i say is the truth superfly 
[20:30] <Kilos> Maaz, define natting
[20:31] <Kilos> gee he is lagging very bad
[20:33] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about natting. Maybe you meant atting, Batting, Catting, Hatting, Matting, Patting, Ratting, Tatting, Vatting, Netting, Nutting, batting, matting, ratting, tatting or netting?
[20:33] <Kilos> sigh
[20:54] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight