[03:21] <ali1234> hmm
[03:22] <ali1234> cgroups allows you to limit the physical memory used by a process or group of processes, after it's exceeded they swap
[03:22] <ali1234> that is AMAZING
[03:22] <ali1234> i have wanted that feature for YEARS
[03:23] <ali1234> no gnome-thumbnailer, you do not need 100GB of memory
[03:23] <ali1234> and they said cgroups is only useful for servers?
[04:37] <mapps> cgroups>
[04:37] <mapps> ?
[05:49] <ali1234> http://en.gravatar.com/alistairbuxton HAHAHAHA
[05:49] <ali1234> i figured out how to delete gravatar profiles
[05:50] <ali1234> and they told me it was impossible...
[06:11] <ali1234> lol, github has this fun feature
[06:11] <ali1234> you can put in any email you want as your gravatar
[07:11] <foobarry> ugh bad night
[07:12] <foobarry> i'm so tired i actually put the spoonful of baby food in my mouth instead
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> morning foobarry
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: that doesn't sound too horrible.. I mean, it's food, right?
[07:19] <foobarry> morning.
[07:19] <foobarry> its the only palatable baby food - banana "porridge"
[07:19] <foobarry> hmm adblock plus refusing to work in chrome Version 29.0.1547.76
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: I use "normal" adblock, not ABP
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> works fine in 32.0.1700.77
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> why are you running such and old version?
[07:22] <foobarry> hmm it should update itsekf right?
[07:22] <foobarry> normal adblock works, i'll stick with that
[07:25]  * foobarry dist-upgrades
[07:28] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: Chrome adds a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d to upgrade itself when you apt-get upgrade, yes
[07:29] <foobarry> those versino numbers creep up
[07:29] <foobarry> haven't updated for a few weeks
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: 29 is from august last year
[08:19] <foobarry> weird
[08:19] <foobarry> argh /boot filled up
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> remove ye olde kernels
[08:21] <foobarry> wont let me cos its full (
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> what? apt-get purge should allow that
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> or dpkg --purge one kernel (to free up some space)
[08:21] <foobarry> its / rather than /boot
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> how.. how did you do that?
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> don't you have a multi-gb disk?
[08:22] <foobarry> boot is in /
[08:23] <foobarry> can't purge cos apt-get didn't finish
[08:23] <foobarry> and i have to go out soon :(
[08:31] <foobarry> phew
[08:31] <foobarry> fortunately ubuntu is more resilient than centos
[08:31] <foobarry> haven';t rebooted yet thoug
[08:39] <shauno> my ugly method for that, is to rm anoldkernel && touch anoldkernel.  that way it still exists when apt wants to remove it, but it's not eating disk
[09:00] <directhex> ali1234, AGI ALtix had it in hardware - "cpusets"
[10:03] <popey> ming
[10:06] <nigelb> hello popey
[10:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:37] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:38] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:40] <nigelb> Morning brobostigon, bigcalm
[10:40] <nigelb> Nice sunny day today
[10:40] <brobostigon> morning nigelb
[10:40] <brobostigon> yes, very sunny.
[10:43] <nigelb> I'm feeling lazy though. I'd rather sit in my room all day than go out and explore London.
[10:44] <brobostigon> might have a strol into town this afternoon, sit in a beer garden for a few hours.
[11:20] <jussi> Myrtti: ping
[11:21] <jussi> popey: who are you calling a ming? :p
[11:22] <jussi> Myrtti: came across this: http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/aluminium-bluetooth-keyboard-cover-for-google-nexus-7-2013-p40583.htm -might be interesting for you?
[11:26] <Myrtti> jussi: I've got 2012 because I don't drive a car of which glove compartment door I can use as an implement to break the screen into halves And justify buying a New one
[11:27] <jussi> Myrtti: no doubt a story there... anyways guess that rules it out for you.
[11:28] <Myrtti> true story... can you guess why fir the first time in three years d And I don't have matching mobile kit
[11:28] <jussi> Myrtti: that said,  http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/bluetooth-keyboard-and-case-for-google-nexus-7-asus-p37024.htm
[11:30] <Myrtti> But yeah, I'm picky about the layout. thanks anyway, I'll have a look When I'm back home from meeting Ronja for the first time
[11:31] <jussi> fair enough.  saw it and thought you might be interested.
[11:32] <Myrtti> yeah definitely
[11:33] <Myrtti> nexus 5 screen is big enough to have a quick look But mittens are a hindrance
[15:36] <foobarry> watching toy story 3 with the yongling
[15:41] <nigelb> aww
[15:46]  * popey is playing MGS with the kids watching me
[15:46] <bigcalm> directhex: my SteamOS always starts muted already. How do I fix this?
[15:47] <directhex> bigcalm, did you install from Ye Olde SteamOSe?
[15:47] <bigcalm> directhex: yes
[15:47] <bigcalm> 2nd release I think
[15:47] <directhex> 2nd release has a major regression in audio
[15:48] <bigcalm> Your 2nd release that is
[15:48] <directhex> yeah
[15:48] <directhex> you can un-mute?
[15:48] <bigcalm> By going to the desktop to do so, yes
[15:48] <directhex> using the gnome volume widget?
[15:48] <bigcalm> Yes
[15:48] <directhex> use pavucontrol instead
[15:49] <directhex> if your system.pa is good, that should fix it not restoring properly on boot
[15:49] <bigcalm> Okay. I'll boot up and have a look
[15:57] <bigcalm> It worked, yay :)
[15:58] <directhex> i don't know why pavucontrol & gnome-volume-badger behave differently
[16:01] <bigcalm> directhex: any thoughts on why my xbox controller constantly flashes?
[16:01] <bigcalm> It didn't do so in Ubuntu
[16:01] <bigcalm> Still works, just irritating as flip
[16:22] <directhex> bigcalm, the xbox pad driver is heavily patched in steamos
[16:24] <bigcalm> It might improve with time then
[16:27] <directhex> bigcalm, you can review the changes using dget, debdiff, http://repo.steampowered.com/steamos/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.10.11-1+steamos8.dsc and http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20130911T094539Z/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.10.11-1.dsc
[16:30] <directhex> anyone with an interest in steamos should do so, there are interesting details in the changelog
[16:32] <directhex>  patches/defer-input-nodes-and-led-support                               |  493 +
[16:33] <directhex> that's the xbox pad driver rewrite
[16:43] <daftykins> why would it need any work? is it having that steam controller's support added to it?
[16:46] <directhex> dunno. ask volvo
[16:48] <daftykins> the car manufacturer? :P
[17:24] <jussi> Myrtti: let me know what you think when you have had a look.  I want to hear about possible good points and bad points from other perspectives also :)
[17:26] <Myrtti> I can't live with that 2012 keyboard
[17:26] <Myrtti> too stuck on touch typing on finnish layout
[17:26] <Myrtti> I'll ask Dunc what he thinks of the newer  one
[17:28] <jussi> Myrtti: imagining it had the correct layout,  anything else that bothers you about it?
[17:30] <Myrtti> ideally I'd like a universal bluetooth keyboard that isn't semidefunct when the device it's designed for dies
[17:30] <Myrtti> I've got one I really like apart from the fact it's got the wrong layout
[17:31] <jussi> ahh. so you don't really need it to be a cover?
[17:31] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE
[17:32] <Myrtti> that's the one I've got somewhere
[17:32] <Myrtti> no. I've got a case for it already
[17:33] <jussi> ahh. have you looked at the universal one from Samsung?
[17:34] <jussi> Myrtti: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/35977/dnddb/Samsung-Universal-Bluetooth-Keyboard-White-valkoinen-Bluetoo
[17:35] <Myrtti> two keys between L and Enter, won't do
[17:35] <Myrtti> yes, I really am picky
[17:36] <jussi> no problems :)
[17:38] <Myrtti> Microsoft Wedge looks promising
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> Cooking bacon using hair curlers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ105LKFCVU
[17:38] <jussi> ahh. btw did you look at the ones from logitech?
[17:40] <Myrtti> a lot of Nexus users seem to have bought the Wedge
[17:40] <Myrtti> (reading the reviews)
[17:40] <Myrtti> (from vk.fi)
[17:40] <jussi> wedge looks nice.  However I want the stand/cover aspect also.
[17:42] <daftykins> wow, if you ever want to see how NOT to do storage...
[17:42] <daftykins> http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=183747
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130802014808/rwby/images/6/68/6a4d386f_I_Have_No_Idea_What_I_m_Doing.jpeg
[17:51] <daftykins> :D
[17:51] <daftykins> very apt
[17:52] <shauno> all those in one outlet, and no fire extinguisher
[17:53] <Myrtti> ooh ooh http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/252587878/stress-free-great-tool-for-breadboard-wire-strippi
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> shauno: power bill is higher than the netflix bill would have been :)
[19:40] <ali1234> all i see in that thread is a gy asking a perfectly reasonable question and a bunch of neckbeards piling on telling him why his question is wrong
[19:41] <ali1234> this is why people don't volunteer more information than they have to when asking questions
[20:00] <daftykins> the XBMC forum one?
[20:01] <daftykins> so you see zero problem with having 64 x 4TB disks each partitioned into 4 volumes, in no kind of RAID?
[20:01] <daftykins> if not then you sir are trolling
[20:13] <foobarry> where does he say its not raided?>
[20:14] <foobarry> BTW, RAID or any similar solution has been obsolete for several years now...so until I could find something better I chose not to implement anything...
[20:14] <foobarry> lol
[20:14] <foobarry> followed by
[20:14] <foobarry> I have always partitioned my HDDs. It's a force of habit and I have not found any reason not to...
[20:15] <foobarry> thats a lot of movies on 512tb
[20:22] <daftykins> yep he has every disk partitioned into 4 x 1TB volumes
[20:22] <daftykins> honestly it reads like a blatant troll :)
[20:22] <directhex> because ¯\(°_o)/¯
[20:22] <foobarry> ok, so not striped at all though
[20:23] <foobarry> he's just got individual disks, and when the disk dies, he just replaces it, because he doesn't understand parity disk, or doesn't like to "waste disks"
[20:23] <directhex> i mean, he's talking about using an ORM, but... doesn't even seem to understand why
[20:24] <foobarry> maybe he has excellent backups
[20:24] <directhex> he backs it all up onto a stack of floppy disks
[20:24] <directhex> each partitioned into 2
[20:25] <foobarry> maybe he has the original dvds, but 512TB sounds like a lot of material sourced from elsewhere
[20:25] <foobarry> the mind boggles
[20:25] <directhex> but every parallel file system i've used has written data more than once because disk failure is to be expected in any kind of multi-disk arrangement
[20:26] <directhex> like, with 128 disks, i'd expect to be swapping out one a month
[20:26] <foobarry> i have a 120 disk SAN thats seen > 15 drive failures since april
[20:26] <foobarry> and a dell one of only around 20 disks that haven't had any failed in 4 years
[20:27] <penguin42> foobarry: the 120 disk san - were those vendors drives or your own?
[20:27] <foobarry> oracle, SATA disks interestingly
[20:27] <foobarry> v expensive sun disks
[20:28] <foobarry> but there's other factors - humidity, dust, vibrations.
[20:28] <foobarry> vibrations have killed more disk than anything i know
[20:28] <foobarry> unsure if radioacitvity plays a part
[20:29] <penguin42> is your server room likely to have a problem with radioactivity?
[20:33] <foobarry> the oracle one..maybe
[20:34] <diddledan> 0.5PB array? that's nucking futs for a home user
[20:34] <foobarry> does anyone ask him what's on it?
[20:35] <diddledan> on the first page he alludes to "50,000+ titles (Music, Music Videos, Movies, etc)"
[20:35] <foobarry> "Seriously, one would have to be crazy to implement this in a real world setup with real data!!!
[20:35] <foobarry> "
[20:35] <foobarry> i think he's bactracking now
[20:37] <foobarry> Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.
[20:42] <diddledan> where does he get the idea that raid is obsolete?
[20:43] <daftykins> his flawed brain
[20:46] <directhex> penguin42, it's an issue for RAM, it's why ECC exists
[20:46] <directhex> cosmic rays
[20:48] <penguin42> directhex: Well yes, but I've never had to think about radiation generally
[20:48] <penguin42> diddledan: There is an argument that on large arrays normal RAID can never resyncing without another failure, hence the snazzier raid-z and the like
[20:48] <penguin42> or distributed object stores
[20:57] <foobarry> at least its not raid0
[22:46] <ali1234> daftykins: i don't see what it has to do with the guy's question at all
[22:46] <ali1234> redundancy is pointless on a media server, if you lose something you just download it again
[22:46] <daftykins> well you can be an idealist and just see what he wanted to ask
[22:46] <daftykins> but i prefer to insult the individual for how he's setting himself for a failure so big it doesn't matter what he's asking :D
[22:46] <daftykins> but i don't actually use forums anyway, that thread was linked in another channel
[22:46] <daftykins> also, that's a daft view, people collecting that much may not be able to *get* something again
[22:49] <ali1234> the sad thing is that if he hadn't posted specs of his crazy system his thread would have just been ignored
[22:51] <daftykins> well it does seem to be quite crazy
[22:52] <ali1234> it's probably all pr0n anyway
[22:58] <daftykins> do you not find it shocking the guy has to configure 2,048 shares?
[22:58] <ali1234> yes his setup is pretty stupid
[22:58] <ali1234> i don't disagree with that
[23:01] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:02] <ali1234> all he needs to do is expose the object store in some format that xbmc understands
[23:02] <ali1234> that doesn't necessarily mean a filesystem
[23:02] <ali1234> it could be done with upnp
[23:02] <ali1234> i'm sure xbmc supports other types of media servers too
[23:04] <ali1234> "My question is: Are there any plans for XBMC to support distributed,  cloud storage mechanism that do not rely on the traditional  File(s)/Directory(ies) mechanism of FTP, Samba, and the rest?"
[23:04] <ali1234> the answer: "XBMC already supports upnp, thanks you and goodnight"
[23:05] <daftykins> i don't know why anyone wants to run those nasty protocols
[23:05] <daftykins> that is, when they have sane storage
[23:05] <ali1234> files and folders has never been a good way to store media files
[23:06] <daftykins> things like UPnP/DLNA trash gapless playback for audio though
[23:06] <ali1234> false
[23:06] <daftykins> in implementations i've tried
[23:06] <daftykins> i suppose the client could request the next ahead of finishing the first
[23:06] <ali1234> that's down to the player, not the server
[23:06] <ali1234> yes, exactly
[23:07] <ali1234> upnp just hands you a URI to where the file is
[23:08] <ali1234> you can even mount a upnp server as a filesystem (software is called djmount i believe)
[23:09] <daftykins> i think XBMC might do that
[23:21] <shauno> I think the first answer he was given is perfectly valid; that's the OS' job.  after that is just rubbernecking