[00:04] <androidbruce> yeah 
[00:04] <androidbruce> kinda of a pain 
[00:04] <androidbruce> kind of* 
[00:06] <valorie> I suppose because there is usually a country for local teams
[00:06] <valorie> just that the US has 50 states and I suppose some territories and such
[00:07] <androidbruce> right that makes sense 
[00:23] <androidbruce> i just got a fresh ubuntu server install going on some old hardware 
[00:23] <androidbruce> always fun 
[00:23] <valorie> very nice to hear
[00:23] <androidbruce> i've been all redhat centos for a while 
[00:24] <androidbruce> but i'm back with ubuntu, work is doing a change over 
[00:24]  * valorie was just dealing with a stubborn debian guy on #kubuntu
[00:24] <androidbruce> all new installs are ubuntu at work now 
[00:24] <androidbruce> ahh debian 
[00:24] <androidbruce> yeah 
[00:24] <androidbruce> i still can't deal with kde 
[00:24] <valorie> multiple screens don't work -- install Kscreen
[00:24] <androidbruce> i love MATE
[00:24] <valorie> can't, it's TOO NEW
[00:24] <valorie> sheesh
[00:24] <androidbruce> oh ha 
[00:24] <androidbruce> yeah 
[00:25] <valorie> so I just sent him off to OFTC
[00:25] <androidbruce> oftc? 
[00:25] <valorie> the debian irc network
[00:25] <androidbruce> gotcha 
[00:25] <androidbruce> makes sense 
[00:25] <androidbruce> send him to them 
[00:25] <androidbruce> if he's using debian 
[00:25] <valorie> exactly
[00:25] <valorie> he's back in the dark ages, and if he likes that, fine
[00:26] <valorie> but I don't know how to make fire with two sticks
[00:27] <androidbruce> nice analogy 
[00:27] <valorie> it was born from frustration
[00:27] <valorie> lol
[00:27] <valorie> also: I have actually tried to create a spark with two sticks, and it's *really difficult*
[00:28] <valorie> even using flint and iron is hard, because you have to get the spark in the right place
[00:29] <valorie> no wonder matches and lighters were invented, geez
[07:24]  * koanhead is a stubborn Debian guy running MATE :^)
[07:25] <valorie> hey, if the tool is fit for what you want/need to do, fine
[07:25] <valorie> like I said, I like debian
[07:25] <valorie> but dislike whining about not being able to use modern apps/widgets/etc.
[07:26] <valorie> also: stubborn can be admirable
[07:26] <valorie> depending on what you are being stubborn about!
[08:58] <koanhead> valorie: I just love debian, even when it's cruel to me
[08:59] <valorie> that reveals so much, koanhead
[08:59] <valorie> lol
[09:08] <koanhead> xubuntu is cool too I guess
[09:08] <koanhead> I'm enjoying MATE so far, it's almost like having my old workflow back :^)
[09:09] <valorie> I'm friends with everybody