[07:33] <Kilos> morning all
[07:46] <Golynx> Morning
[07:47] <Kilos> hi Golynx write this down and keep inna safe place
[07:47] <Golynx> Hi Kilos, ok
[07:47] <Kilos> sooner or later you gonna enter password when booting and it will keep going back to that popup
[07:48] <Kilos> log in as guest
[07:48] <Kilos> press ctrl+alt+F3
[07:48] <Kilos> type in your username and password
[07:48] <Golynx> Hmm, will that still happen in future , or do i have to do something first
[07:49] <Kilos> wait
[07:49] <Kilos> it happened to me now
[07:49] <Golynx> ok
[07:49] <Kilos> before you ctrl+alt+F33
[07:49] <Kilos> 3 not 33
[07:49] <Kilos> connect to the internet
[07:49] <Kilos> as the guest
[07:50] <Kilos> then ctrl+alt+F3
[07:50] <Kilos> then login with your username and password
[07:50] <Kilos> so now you will be in cli mode but will be online
[07:50] <Kilos> type in
[07:51] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install gdm
[07:51] <Kilos> the lightdm gui manager seems buggy if you fiddle lots
[07:51] <Kilos> you will get the choice to use lightdm or gdm
[07:52] <Kilos> choose gdm 
[07:52] <Kilos> once done then do sudo reboot
[07:53] <Kilos> and you will see an extra place, you hit enter then password and hey presto
[07:53] <Golynx> Fixed ?
[07:53] <Kilos> yes
[07:53] <Golynx> ok
[07:54] <Kilos> gnome desktop manager works kiff
[07:54] <Kilos> i see what you mean about the funny stuff
[07:55] <Kilos> i only have 4 desktops 
[07:55] <Kilos> grrr
[07:55] <Kilos> does that ubuntu-tweak give options to add workspaces
[07:55] <Golynx> Well i found a way to disable the annoying ubity scrollbar, now i got a nice solid scrollber, with no stupid effects 
[07:55] <Kilos> like myunity
[07:56] <Golynx> Yes you can in ubuntu tweak
[07:56] <Kilos> yay then you can help me later
[07:56] <Golynx> more than 4
[07:56] <Kilos> how big is tweak
[07:56] <Kilos> ive blown most of me data
[07:56] <Kilos> i use 10
[07:56] <Golynx> 1MB
[07:57] <Kilos> thats cool
[07:57] <Kilos> link?
[08:00] <Golynx> I cant get the link from the site but just click Download now! http://ubuntu-tweak.com/
[08:00] <Kilos> np
[08:00] <Kilos> ok ty
[08:01] <Golynx> np
[08:02] <Golynx> gconf-editor and dconf-editor is a nice tool to configure unity 2D , more stuff there
[08:05] <Kilos> i use 3d
[08:05] <Kilos> or full unity
[08:05] <Golynx> In System settings there should be  green ubuntu-tweak icon , you can choose unity and it will give you options there
[08:05] <Golynx> oh ok
[08:08] <Kilos> whew so much stuff
[08:09] <Golynx> I think there's 36 workspaces there
[08:09] <Kilos> whats launcher opacity?
[08:09] <Kilos> under what button
[08:10] <Golynx> When you move a window under the launcher the see through effect
[08:10] <Kilos> Maaz, define opacity
[08:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Opacity \O*pac"i*ty\, n. [L. opacitas: cf. F. opacit['e].] 1. The state of being opaque; the quality of a body which renders it impervious to the rays of light; want of transparency; opaqueness. [1913 Webster]  2. Obscurity; want of clearness. --Bp. Hall. [1913 Webster], opacity n 1: the phenomenon of not permitting the passage of electromagnetic radiation
[08:10] <Maaz> [ant: {transparence}, {transparency}] 2: incomprehensibility resulting from obscurity of m…
[08:10] <Golynx> By me it says Number of workspaces:
[08:12] <Kilos> where
[08:13] <Golynx> Tweaks >> Unity >> Number of workspaces : option
[08:13] <Kilos> i dont see unity
[08:14] <Golynx> Hmm, i dunno about the 3D unity it shows in 2D
[08:14] <Kilos> or number of workspaces
[08:14] <Kilos> sigh
[08:14] <Golynx> It should show all and more options there
[08:15] <Golynx> since its full unity
[08:15] <Kilos> hud and shortlinks
[08:15] <Kilos> and opacity stuff
[08:15] <Golynx> Does'nt compiz manager have that setting
[08:16] <Kilos> ?
[08:16] <Kilos> maybe i have got compiz even
[08:16] <Kilos> havent
[08:17] <Golynx> Compiz is the graphics stuff manager for unity 3D
[08:17] <Golynx> Should be in synaptics already installed
[08:17] <Kilos> ty ill look later need to rest now
[08:18] <Golynx> ok take care
[08:18] <Kilos> will do
[09:12] <Kilos> morning superfly Private_User 
[09:12] <Private_User> morning Kilos
[09:33] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[11:12]  * Golynx hates this domain! deploy.akamaitechnologies.com
[11:40] <Kilos> hi liamT 
[11:46] <liamT> gday
[12:37] <superfly> hi Kilos
[12:40] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[12:43] <Kilos> unity is coming right again. the right click on a drive or stick and format option is back 
[12:48] <charl> good afternoon all
[12:48] <charl> hi Kilos 
[12:48] <charl> hi superfly 
[12:49] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[12:49]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[12:49] <Golynx> Hi
[12:50] <charl> hi Golynx 
[12:50] <charl> just got bitlbee set up with libpurple and pidgin-sipe
[12:50] <charl> working perfectly, very impressed
[12:51] <Kilos> hi charl 
[12:52] <Kilos> i like pidgin. everything works kiff there
[12:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[12:57] <Golynx> If they can make a whatsapp hack for pidgin , it will be perfect
[13:05] <superfly> ohi guys
[13:05] <Kilos> yeah
[13:06] <Kilos> whatsapp on ubuntu is very hard work and lotsa data
[13:06] <Kilos> gotta do the android emulater thing
[13:07] <Golynx> hi superfly
[13:07] <Golynx> Sad , i cant do android emulator anymore on ubuntu
[13:07] <Golynx> I really need it for my phonegap apps
[13:08] <superfly> just install Android Studio?
[13:10] <Golynx> It used to run smooth on win7 at less than 20% cpu , but ubuntu's OpenJDK keeps using 100% cpu
[13:10] <superfly> which version of Ubuntu?
[13:10] <Golynx> 12.04
[13:11] <superfly> ah, yes. that's ancient
[13:11] <superfly> if you used something more up-to-date, then you'd have less issues
[13:13] <Golynx> I guess so. I will have to find an win7 disk again. Dont have the pc quality for 12.10,13.04,13.10,14.04
[13:15] <charl> whatsapp is linked to your sim card
[13:15] <charl> it uses your mobile phone number as your username
[13:15] <charl> apparently there are some ways to "hack" it
[13:15] <charl> which inevitably also exposes a serious security flaw in whatsapp
[13:15] <charl> but i have never attempted it myself
[13:16] <charl> but there is no "normal" way to run whatsapp unless you have a mobile phone or perhaps tablet
[13:16] <charl> whatsapp is basically just flawed by design
[13:17] <charl> and even though it is based off the open standard xmpp protocol it has no federation
[13:18] <charl> at work we have lync which does have xmpp federation
[13:18] <charl> but lync only allows it with a very limited number of services
[13:18] <charl> so you can't for example chat to users on any of the jabber servers
[13:18] <charl> but you can chat to and call users of other microsoft services like skype
[13:19] <charl> lync only uses xmpp for s2s though, for c2s you use a protocol based off SIP/SIMPLE
[13:20] <charl> that's why you need the open source sipe library if you want to connect to lync using pidgin or bitlbee
[13:20] <charl> or any other client that is based off libpurple
[13:22] <Golynx> that sounds interesting charls, but i will wait for a pidgin whatsapp plugin
[13:24] <Kilos> http://davidgf.net/page/39/whatsapp-on-your-computer:-pidgin-plugin
[13:25] <Kilos> i will try that next month i think
[13:25] <Kilos> no data to play with
[13:28] <charl> Golynx: if you read what i said above you will know that you will never get one :)
[13:28] <charl> unless it is a hack that exposes a serious security flaw with whatsapp
[13:28] <Kilos> charl look at that link
[13:29] <charl> looking now
[13:29] <Kilos> i dont mind whatsapp having flaws as long as i can use it
[13:29] <Kilos> i dunno what or where to download it
[13:30] <Kilos> oh its there further down
[13:30] <charl> ah here it explains it on the github page
[13:30] <charl> https://github.com/davidgfnet/whatsapp-purple
[13:30] <charl> look under How do I get my user name and password?
[13:31] <Kilos> i wanna try add the ppa
[13:31] <charl> https://github.com/shirioko/MissVenom
[13:32] <charl> Usage: To sniff password:
[13:32] <Kilos> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:whatsapp-purple/ppa
[13:32] <Kilos> is that how you do it
[13:32] <Golynx> I actually used whatsapp on pc with win7 via a symbian emulator. These thing dont work for me in ubuntu
[13:32] <charl> this is also good: http://blog.philippheckel.com/2013/07/05/how-to-sniff-the-whatsapp-password-from-your-android-phone-or-iphone/
[13:33] <charl> so the short version is, just to get it working, you have to execute a man in the middle attack on your mobile phone
[13:34] <charl> this is what i said above, why libpurple will never "officially" support it
[13:34] <charl> but fortunately there are enough people out there that will create patches
[13:38] <charl> however, this is not where to story ends
[13:38] <charl> if you can "fake" a sim, you can register any number you like
[13:38] <charl> even if the number does not belong to you
[13:39] <Kilos> what about the number of the sim in the 3g modem ChanServ ?
[13:39] <Kilos> its yours
[13:39] <charl> well that number is yours indeed so there is nothing wrong with using it
[13:39] <charl> nothing unethical
[13:40] <Kilos> i have the pidgin plugin going but lost from there now
[13:41] <charl> i will try to help you best i can but i am busy making lunch here so response might be slow
[13:41] <Kilos> np ty
[13:42] <Kilos> everyone seems to be on whatsapp nowadays
[13:42] <charl> got a pot of hot water with tortelloni verdi on my induction cooking plate
[13:42] <Kilos> just need a username and password
[13:42] <Kilos> lol
[13:43] <charl> it's a german "steba" plate - it works absolutely wonderful
[13:43] <Kilos> surely you need to have a registered whatsapp username and password done via fone first
[13:43] <charl> that's exactly the problem Kilos 
[13:43] <Kilos> ai!
[13:43] <charl> to "properly" do that you will need to run the whatsapp application on an actual mobile phone or tablet
[13:44] <charl> and then you need to connect that to wifi while you register the account
[13:44] <Kilos> no modern cells here
[13:44] <charl> while registering you need to perform an effective man in the middle attack on that phone or tablet
[13:44] <Kilos> will have to ask ian what he can do for me
[13:44] <charl> meaning you need to sniff the packets and sniff the whatsapp username and password out of it
[13:44] <charl> but it gets worse
[13:44] <Kilos> eeek
[13:44] <charl> you need to make sure that whatsapp does not use encryption
[13:45] <charl> so you need to redirect the encrypted connection to an unencrypted tunnel through your computer
[13:45] <Kilos> whew
[13:45] <Kilos> same as trying the android emulator. major pt
[13:46] <Kilos> but pidgin always very light on data
[13:46] <Kilos> much less than irc
[13:47] <charl> actually, an encrypted tunnel, but where you are the one controlling the encryption
[13:48] <charl> or where you can crack it
[13:48] <charl> i am reading through the above posts but the exact procedure isn't clear to me either
[13:48] <charl> but it sounds really complex
[13:48] <charl> this is not something i would attempt on a saturday afternoon
[13:48] <Kilos> lol
[13:49] <Golynx> In the future i wana make a pidgin plugin that shows only the facebook updates of people i wana see posts from. Beats going into an app all the time or web browser
[13:49] <Kilos> maybe its like mxit
[13:49] <Kilos> you register via cell then use those particulars in pidgin
[13:49] <charl> Golynx: afaik facebook has a standard xmpp interface so that should be simple to do
[13:49] <charl> Golynx: because you can make use of any existing xmpp library
[13:49] <Kilos> pidgin has a fb plugin
[13:50] <charl> Kilos: the problem is you do not have any control over the password in whatsapp
[13:50] <charl> Kilos: it is automatically generated using the application itself
[13:50] <charl> Kilos: that means, to get the password is the problem
[13:50] <Kilos> oh my
[13:50] <Golynx> Yes i already use facebook messenger plugin for pidgin
[13:51] <charl> you should be able to base it directly off that, just create your own patch to libpurple like this other person did
[13:51] <charl> then you can even use it inside of other clients like bitlbee too
[13:51] <Kilos> if you see too many fb peeps in pidgin you can block some of them
[13:51] <Golynx> I will wana make it show actual posts from facebook users. That requiers more programming 
[13:52] <Kilos> please work it out for me charl
[13:52] <Kilos> not fb
[13:52] <Kilos> fb pidgin sucks
[13:52] <Kilos> too many peeps
[13:52] <Golynx> lol Kilos
[13:53] <Golynx> Cant be, just disable showing offline friends and show from last actvity
[13:56] <Kilos> i have mxit and aim in pidgin and gtalk sometimes too
[13:56] <Kilos> no place for fb
[13:57] <Golynx> Aah personal preference
[13:57] <Kilos> yeah
[14:08] <charl> Kilos: i *think* it can be done
[14:08] <charl> using whatsapi: https://github.com/venomous0x/WhatsAPI
[14:09] <charl> How can I obtain my password?
[14:09] <charl> Register a number using WhatsAPI or intercept your phone's password using MissVenom
[14:09] <charl> because you don't already have an account you can simply register your new number using whatsapi
[14:09] <charl> do you know what your number is?
[14:17] <charl> here's a good example: https://github.com/venomous0x/WhatsAPI/blob/master/src/php/exampleRegister.php
[14:20] <charl> no wait, actually you are looking for this: https://github.com/venomous0x/WhatsAPI/blob/master/src/php/whatsprot.class.php#L164
[14:21] <charl> Register account on WhatsApp using the provided code.
[14:23] <charl> you give your phone number when you construct the object: https://github.com/venomous0x/WhatsAPI/blob/master/src/php/whatsprot.class.php#L61
[14:23] <charl> i'm not sure what the whole $identity business is
[14:23] <charl> if it's not valid it seems to construct a new one
[14:24] <charl> conclusion: it looks pretty well documented but you will need to do some programming and trial/error
[14:25] <charl> what the legality etc is, and if this is against the terms of service of whatsapp, that i do not know
[14:25] <charl> only thing i know for sure is this is something i would not even want to attempt
[14:25] <Kilos> ya i know the sim in the modems number
[14:25] <Kilos> sorr i fetched the sheep
[14:26] <charl> np
[14:27] <charl> so basically, you input your phone number and desired "friendly" name and you get back a generated password
[14:27] <charl> i just don't understand the whole identity business
[14:28] <Kilos> i cant do programming man
[14:28] <charl> don't even bother then :)
[14:28] <Kilos> lol
[14:29] <charl> sorry but that's the only answer i can give you
[14:29] <Kilos> ok
[14:29] <Kilos> ty
[14:29] <charl> np :)
[14:29] <charl> if i had a mobile phone and i wasn't concerned about the legality i would have attempted it myself first
[14:29] <Golynx> Aah php :)
[14:29] <charl> then i could have given you better instructions
[14:30] <Kilos> ill get ian to register from his modems sim
[14:30] <charl> yeah exactly
[14:30] <charl> ask someone with an android phone, but then you will still need to do the man in the middle attack
[14:31] <Kilos> ai!
[14:31] <charl> sorry but i would really not advise, but this is up to you :)
[14:34] <Golynx> Whatsapp will always wana patch up though. Else they loose money
[14:39] <Kilos> i would like to have it because ian says it dont eat fone battery like mxit so they all use whatsapp
[14:43] <charl> you get some really cheap android phones these days, especially those from huawei
[14:43] <charl> they cost practically nothing and they are quite solid
[14:43] <charl> i used to have one of those, the huawei ideos
[14:46] <Golynx> Saw a vodafone launch 2013 selling at 699 with android 4.2. Thats very cheap for running such an os
[14:48] <charl> just googled some more and it looks like using an android emulator is the way to go
[14:48] <Kilos> eek
[14:48] <charl> then you can also emulate your phone number / sim card
[14:48] <Kilos> i can get a 500g drive for that price or less
[14:48] <charl> Golynx: this one i had cost like half of that
[14:49] <charl> bought it in kenya
[14:50] <Golynx> Hope not the black market charl
[14:51] <charl> no of course not, bah
[14:51] <charl> that's the regular selling price
[14:53] <Golynx> oh thats good
[15:01] <charl> https://singularityhub.com/2011/08/16/80-android-phone-sells-like-hotcakes-in-kenya-the-world-next/
[15:03] <charl> http://www.cio.co.ke/news/main-stories/safaricom,-huawei-officially-launch-ideos-ascend-y100/
[15:03] <charl> The device which was launched at a subsidised price of Ksh 8,500 and 1 GB of  bundled data.
[15:03] <charl> 8500 ksh is about 100 usd
[15:03] <charl> but it *is* subsidised mind you
[15:03] <Golynx> Hmm nice, that would be a good market for my phonegap apps
[15:03] <charl> but the one i had was the one from 2011, the former 80 dollar phone
[15:04] <charl> the phone *was* slow though
[15:04] <charl> openstreetmap was impossible to use
[15:04] <charl> didn't try that many apps, ran off android 2,2 or 2,4 or something
[15:05] <Golynx> ya that depends on the OS , the newer ones can handle more processes
[15:05] <charl> no the processor was terrible
[15:06] <charl> http://www.huaweidevice.com/resource/mini/201008174756/ideos/
[15:07] <charl> i actually thought it cost even less, the one i got, 80 usd sounds expensive now
[15:08] <charl> maybe it was a different exchange rate back then
[15:08] <charl> i thought it cost like half that
[15:19] <Golynx> lol yeah thats old hardware
[15:23] <Golynx> R699 for a Android 4.2 OS in 2013 is really cheap
[15:30] <charl> it sounds really good
[15:30] <charl> oh whow 47 euro
[15:30] <charl> that is cheap indeed
[15:30] <Kilos> Seagate® Barracuda™ 500GB ,7200RPM (SATA 6GB/S) 16 MB Cache  
[15:30] <Kilos>  R549+vat
[15:30] <charl> i saw a polaroid phone the other day for 100 euro
[15:32] <charl> ok i need to do some work
[15:32] <charl> bbl
[15:32] <Kilos> enjoy
[15:33] <Kilos> bbl
[18:43] <Kilos> bedtime for me. night all. sleep tight