[00:08] <Glen_> hi
[00:33] <mnom88> Hi ! Can I access touch input from the background in Ubuntu Touch ?
[00:35] <mnom88> for just a logging app and then to do some stats and analysis on what a user do in an experiment
[00:58] <RAOF> mnom88: No.
[00:59] <RAOF> mnom88: Firstly, we don't yet have any backgrounding API, so your app gets suspended when it goes into the background.
[01:00] <RAOF> mnom88: Secondly, exposing touch input to non-focussed applications is an anti-goal for security :)
[01:01] <RAOF> You'd obviously be able to build your own thing and scrape /dev/input, but you won't be able to have an app in the software centre that does that, because that's basically asking for ooodles of malware.
[03:14] <jtzl> possibly stupid question... if I `adb shell` , can I then use the CLI as if I'm on an ordinary linux box?  Ie can I apt-get update and modify /etc/apt/sources.list on the phone to manage software?
[03:26] <ajbrandt1> is there an image ready to flash the 2013 nexus 7?
[03:27] <ajbrandt1> ajbrandt +i
[03:27] <ajbrandt1> whoops.
[03:36] <jtzl> hmm I can't apt-get update; the repos are all 404, tho I have network access.  i can't dpkg --reconfigure -a cuz I get read-only file system.  Anyone experience this?
[03:55] <RAOF> jtzl: Yes, everyone. The Touch images use a readonly root filesystem by default, and image-based updates.
[04:00] <jtzl> RAOF: gotcha - that section of that webpage makes sense now
[04:01] <RAOF> You can turn off the readonly-ness; there are instructions on the page for it.
[04:03] <jtzl> thank you
[05:00] <jtzl> ok so I've got an rw file system, but I'm confused about these 404s on apt-get update
[05:00] <jtzl> Is this what I should expect, repos-wise, on a galaxy nexus?
[05:00] <jtzl> Err http://ports.ubuntu.com trusty InRelease
[05:34] <RAOF> jtzl: Yeah, ports.ubuntu.com seems right. What's your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:07] <pitti> ogra_: /var/crash cleaning> yes, we've been doing that since the beginning -- see /etc/cron.daily/apport
[07:16] <timppa> Good morning, is there any known bugs in the two last trusty builds for WLAN?
[07:16] <timppa> It seems that it cannot be disabled
[07:17] <timppa> I'm running on Mako
[07:23] <softcoder> i beleive mako (nexus 4) has documented you need to use a lower radio firmware
[07:23] <softcoder> in case you have the latest 4.4 you must install the 4.3 radio firmware as mentioned in the docs
[07:23] <timppa> softcoder: I never did install 4.4 on this device
[07:24] <softcoder> ok, just checking
[07:25] <timppa> softcoder: sure
[07:57] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:10] <oSoMoN> hey ogra_, where/how do I request a package to be added to the ubuntu touch seed?
[08:18] <dholbach> good morning
[08:48] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN!
[08:48] <didrocks> oSoMoN: see my answer on the ML
[08:48] <didrocks> oSoMoN: does this make sense?
[08:48] <oSoMoN> didrocks, will look at it, in a video call right now
[08:59] <pitti> tvoss: I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/qtubuntu-sensors/integration-tests/+merge/201742, thanks for your review!
[08:59] <tvoss> pitti, good morning. Will have another look, then :)
[09:03] <oSoMoN> didrocks, will the recommend ensure that webapp-container is installed in the image?
[09:05] <didrocks> oSoMoN: oh, touch, we disable recommends, you're right
[09:05] <didrocks> oSoMoN: we can add it as a dep and | + comment for now
[09:05] <didrocks> oSoMoN: the goal is to replace by oxide on the long term, right?
[09:06] <oSoMoN> didrocks, no, oxide won’t replace that, oxide is only the rendering engine, the packaging structure will remain the same (only that oxide will replace the dep on qtwebkit)
[09:22] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ok, so why not depending on the container?
[09:23] <oSoMoN> didrocks, do you mean having webbrowser-app depend on webapp-container?
[09:24] <didrocks> yep
[09:27] <ogra_> didrocks, hmm, you probably want to be able to install webbrowser-app standalone
[09:28] <didrocks> ogra_: I don't have strong opinion, as we don't install recommends, I'm happy to seed it, doing it now
[09:28]  * ogra_ would see the dep the other way round, the container should depend on webbrowser-app
[09:28] <oSoMoN> didrocks, webapp-container already depends on webbrowser-app, so that would create a circular dep
[09:28] <didrocks> oSoMoN: yeah on the other way around
[09:28] <didrocks> it's the case ;)
[09:28] <didrocks> I would prefer the recommends/depends combo, but let's go with seed
[09:28] <ogra_> oSoMoN, i'll take care for the seed later today
[09:28] <didrocks> ogra_: doing so, already opened :p
[09:28] <ogra_> ok :)#
[09:29] <oSoMoN> ogra_, awesome, thanks!
[09:31] <Mirv> who would be working on keyboard related packages nowadays? I'd have https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/phablet-extras/maliit-framework_fix_qt52/+merge/202246
[09:31] <ogra_> Mirv, bfillers team iirc
[09:33] <Mirv> bfiller_away: ^ can you get some keyboard person to merge that to maliit-framework?
[09:34] <Mirv> ogra_: thanks
[09:50] <davmor2> popey, ogra_: can you guys try a couple of things for me,  1. open the twitter and facebook webapps for me I just get a grey page, 2. install a click app
[09:50] <ogra_> davmor2, once the above discussed seed change is in webapps will work again
[09:52] <davmor2> ogra_: I can't see the above seed change only just logged in ;)  I'll dig into irssi backlog after though,  thanks.  How about click?
[09:52] <davmor2> ogra_: for me I click on install then at 100% it changes to error
[09:52] <popey> ditto
[09:52] <davmor2> need to grab the logs for that but am not actually at work yet honest
[09:52] <ogra_> hmm, i installed the logviewer on all my devices last night
[09:53] <ogra_> that obviously worked
[09:53] <davmor2> ogra_: you on stable or proposed?
[09:53] <ogra_> both
[09:53] <ogra_> my mako is on stable
[09:53] <ogra_> all others on proposed
[09:53] <davmor2> ogra_: this is on the current image on mako
[09:53] <popey> yeah, install fails here
[09:53] <popey> on #137
[09:54] <davmor2> ogra_: looks like it has been happening since saturday morning 134
[09:54] <ogra_> right, i upgraded to 136 yesterday evening
[09:54] <davmor2> but I was too busy
[09:54] <ogra_> (no chnages between 136 and 137)
[09:54] <popey> works fine on my stable phone
[09:54] <popey> so it's not a backend issue
[09:54] <davmor2> brb
[09:56] <didrocks> davmor2: popey: I wonder if it's not a sso account service issue (the one running on the phone)
[09:56] <popey> could be.
[09:56] <didrocks> davmor2: popey: I flashed -b, so asking me to enter my account detail, and the screen doesn't do anything
[09:56] <ogra_> right, there was an accxountservice update on 134
[09:56] <ogra_> err
[09:56] <ogra_> 135
[09:57] <ogra_> err, no, first time was right
[09:57] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20140118.changes
[09:57] <seb128> ogra_, what about it?
[09:57] <ogra_> seb128, click package installation doesnt work anymore
[09:57] <didrocks> argh, all state doesn't work, /me reboots the phone
[09:57] <ogra_> but there was also the dbus/apparmor changes
[09:57] <seb128> ogra_, I doubt it's accountsservice
[09:58] <seb128> that's a service handling local users
[09:58] <seb128> like creating users
[09:58] <seb128> changing pwd
[09:58] <seb128> changing avatar
[09:58] <seb128> etc
[09:58] <ogra_> right, we have no logs yet
[09:58] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6784996/
[09:58] <popey> ^^ log
[09:59] <ogra_> 2014-01-20 09:53:44,310 - DEBUG - "Results:
[09:59] <ogra_> Fatal error: Failed to obtain authentication.
[09:59] <ogra_> "
[09:59] <didrocks> yep
[10:00] <didrocks> that's what I have when I'm trying to add my account as well
[10:00] <timppa> ogra_: Click package uninstall doesn't work also...
[10:00] <ogra_> yeah, most likely the same issue
[10:01] <didrocks> popey: you fancy a dbus revert? :p
[10:01] <timppa> Also I cannot turn off WiFi on latest trusty
[10:01] <timppa> running on mako
[10:02] <didrocks> _usr_bin_online-accounts-ui.32011.crash
[10:02] <didrocks> popey: same for you? ^
[10:03] <didrocks> ogra_: it can also be another side-effect of the env not being right in nested Mir…
[10:03] <popey> -rw-r-----  1 phablet whoopsie 6.4M Jan 16 13:58 _usr_bin_online-accounts-ui.32011.crash
[10:03] <popey> old
[10:03] <popey> no crashes today
[10:04] <didrocks> popey: mine is from today, but I guess you didn't reported/uploaded an old one
[10:04]  * popey shrugs
[10:04] <popey> i didnt notice it
[10:04] <didrocks> I would first let ogra workarounding the env issue
[10:04] <didrocks> then, we try to patch on our phone
[10:04] <didrocks> and retry
[10:04] <didrocks> as it seems to have a lot of cascading effects
[10:10] <ogra_> didrocks, well, the change is to edit /usr/bin/ubuntu-touch-session ...
[10:10] <ogra_> and change line 8 to: if [ -f "$HOME/.display-mir" ]; the
[10:11] <ogra_> in case anyone wants to test
[10:11] <didrocks> popey: mind trying as well? ^
[10:11]  * didrocks does on his to try to log in
[10:11] <ogra_> s/the/then/
[10:12] <popey> ya
[10:13] <ogra_> works
[10:13] <didrocks> hum, even better here, the online ui account doesn't even open
[10:13] <ogra_> weird
[10:13] <didrocks> and the phone is totally frozen
[10:13]  * didrocks reboots
[10:13] <ogra_> well, i installed qmlscrabble here and it installs and runs fine
[10:14] <popey> bah, read only
[10:14] <didrocks> ogra_: can you revoke your creds and try restart from scratch?
[10:14] <didrocks> to see if I'm just unlucky or not on the account ui
[10:15] <didrocks> and same after reboot…
[10:15] <didrocks> frozen again
[10:15] <ogra_> no adb ?
[10:15] <didrocks> ogra_: I'm connected, I see unity8 going to 80% of CPU
[10:15] <didrocks> mzanetti: any idea? ^
[10:16] <mzanetti> hmm... not really. latest released image?
[10:17] <ogra_> mzanetti, nope. proposed
[10:17] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, the proposed one, no u1 account
[10:17] <didrocks> adding ogra's fix for the env var
[10:17] <mzanetti> constantly at 80%? or something that triggers it?
[10:17] <didrocks> I go to a click app
[10:17] <didrocks> and click install
[10:18] <ogra_> hmm
[10:18] <ogra_> the keyboard pops under the credentials page
[10:18] <ogra_> i can see half of the bottom rwo of the kbd
[10:18] <didrocks> at least, you have a cred page, lucky you!
[10:19] <didrocks> yeah, unity8 is totally blocked here…
[10:19] <ogra_> well, but i cant get out of it anymore
[10:19] <ogra_> toolbar doesnt work
[10:19] <didrocks> mzanetti: I think we'll need you :)
[10:19] <didrocks> so to sum up
[10:19] <ogra_> launcher doesnt come in when swiping from the left
[10:19] <didrocks> 1. latest image in -proposed
[10:20] <didrocks> 2. edit /usr/bin/ubuntu-touch-session and change line 8 to: if [ -f "$HOME/.display-mir" ]; then
[10:20] <ogra_> ah, at least the cancel button reacted now (after tapping it wildly)
[10:20] <didrocks> 3. no u1 account, try clicking on "install" in the click scope picking any app
[10:20] <didrocks> -> for me, even the u1 account UI doesn't show up
[10:21] <didrocks> -> for ogra, it's stuck with keyboard below the UI, and can't get the unity8 switcher back
[10:21] <ogra_> seems the shell in the bg is still in the click install view
[10:21] <ogra_> which makes the app moved up by 10px or so ...
[10:21] <ogra_> and kills the toolbar
[10:22] <didrocks> ogra_: let me try to revert ubuntu-touch-session to see if it's nested-mir related (all those)
[10:22] <ogra_> mzanetti, i opened the "install app" view in the shell (the one where you need to tap at the very bottom to go back to iconview), which offered me to create an account ...
[10:22]  * didrocks looks at the diff
[10:23] <mzanetti> ok... need to flash the device and try myself
[10:23] <ogra_> tapping on "go to accounts" opened the accounts dialog inside the app install view (with the faded out "look through" to the icons at the bottom)
[10:24] <ogra_> which seems to confuse the kbd and all bottom actions, since the shell seems to keep that part of the input
[10:24] <didrocks> well, for me, the app even doesn't show up
[10:24]  * ogra_ cant get out of this anymore and reboots 
[10:24] <didrocks> so maybe it's under the shell
[10:25] <popey> i modified my /usr/bin/ubuntu-touch-session and now unity doesn't start on my phone ☹
[10:25] <ogra_> popey, are you sure you didnt typo ?
[10:25] <popey> rebooting, will check
[10:26] <ogra_> hmm
[10:26] <ogra_> my toolbar seems to have constantly moved 10px up
[10:26] <ogra_> even after reboot i have a stripe at the bottom where i cn see the app behind the toolbar
[10:27] <ogra_> and the kbd is still behind the app :(
[10:27] <ogra_> this is weird
[10:27] <ogra_> (it also takes quite a few taps to activate the input field for the email)
[10:28] <didrocks> hum
[10:28] <popey> ogra_: i noticed the toolbar moved up here too
[10:29] <mzanetti> still flashing... but reading this I'm really not sure it's actually unity8
[10:29] <ogra_> popey, ah, so i'm not alone, good :)
[10:29] <popey> ahh.. missed "then" in my script
[10:29] <didrocks> mzanetti: I guess you are a victim on that one :)
[10:29] <ogra_> popey, phew
[10:30]  * didrocks reflashes
[10:42]  * didrocks did ogra_'s fix and reboots on his vanilla system
[10:43] <mzanetti> hm... I managed to reproduce it once. then rebootet and now it doesn't come up any more
[10:43] <didrocks> mzanetti: what did you reproduce exactly? the UI showed up or not at all for you?
[10:44] <mzanetti> didrocks: I already had a configured account, so I opened settings (everything fine so far)
[10:44] <mzanetti> then I opened accounts and wanted to remove the ubuntu one account
[10:44] <mzanetti> the moment the dialog asking if I really want to remove the account, the weirdness started happening
[10:45] <didrocks> ok, there is clearly a stacking issue I guess
[10:45] <didrocks> here, on my fresh system, I can't even turn wifi on, (I don't see the dialog asking me for the WPA key)
[10:45] <ogra_> yeah
[10:45] <didrocks> ogra_: downgrading touch session to 0.87
[10:45] <didrocks> let's see
[10:46] <mnom88> thanks RAOF for the answer yesterday, so how can I access touch events in my app using only C++ ? And can I put it as a library to be used in more than a single app ?
[10:48] <didrocks> ok, now getting the wpa key asked
[10:48] <mzanetti> didrocks: really weird... start unity8 doesn't work, just executing "unity8" makes it come up fine
[10:49] <didrocks> mzanetti: yeah, some env variable missing probably with nested Mir
[10:49] <xnox> popey: slangasek: phablet-test-run almost does the right thing, but the lp:ubuntu-test-cases/touch in addition to that have (a) disable power-management / black-out the screen (b) do a blind swipe to unlock to home screen
[10:50] <didrocks> ok, was able to add an account now
[10:50] <xnox> which generally helps a lot, which i've borrowed into my work of that code in to the proposed emulator branch.
[10:50] <didrocks> and installation of click packages works
[10:50] <ogra_> hmpf
[10:50] <ogra_> we need a test for that :P
[10:50] <didrocks> ogra_: mzanetti: I really suggest we revert nested Mir for now and back to rev 87 of ubuntu-touch-session
[10:51] <ogra_> running all AP tests to check a landing is pbviously not enough
[10:51] <didrocks> there are a lot of stacking side-effects
[10:51] <didrocks> yeah
[10:51]  * ogra_ sighs and expects another 8 weeks 
[10:51] <didrocks> ogra_: well, better to get to a state with the phone working than pushing something obviously broken
[10:51] <didrocks> at least, we know now use cases to test :)
[10:51] <didrocks> u1 account and wifi
[10:51] <ogra_> didrocks, the one line fix didnt change it for you ?
[10:52] <didrocks> ogra_: no, I got stacking issue with it
[10:52] <ogra_> ok
[10:52] <ogra_> yeah, then let me revert it
[10:52] <ogra_> :(
[10:52] <didrocks> ogra_: thanks (and sorry), I'm emailing the ML
[10:52] <didrocks> just to sum up the 2 use cases
[10:52] <ogra_> well, dont say sorry ...
[10:52] <didrocks> the wifi one is really easy at least to try
[10:53] <ogra_> not your fault, our procedures are lacking ... such issues are there to improve them ;)
[10:53] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, I guess setting up a wifi network with WPA or WEP keys should be an obvious AP test we need at least
[10:54] <ogra_> it is just that these big landings tend to take way to long
[10:54] <cwayne_> it might also be useful to document how to make cdimage builds to test locally maybe?
[10:54] <ogra_> which means everything can change underneath you until the code actually lands
[10:55] <ogra_> cwayne_, we dont support cdimage images anymore
[10:55] <ogra_> and we dont have an option for building your own system image yet
[10:55] <cwayne_> well i meant cdimage build as in the rootfs
[10:55] <cwayne_> sorry, wrong term :)
[10:55] <mzanetti> didrocks: ogra_: unfortunately I don't know much about the nested mir stuff. mterry is the unity8 guy for this topic
[10:55] <mzanetti> he'll show up in a bit
[10:55] <ogra_> yeah
[10:56] <didrocks> mzanetti: yeah, let's sync up with him
[10:56] <cwayne_> it's a US holiday though
[10:56] <mzanetti> d'oh
[10:56] <ogra_> cwayne_, well, that will only give you a tarball (and i thought it is documented)
[10:57] <cwayne_> ogra_, is it? that would actually be pretty helpful
[10:57]  * ogra_ tries to find the mail 
[10:59] <ogra_> cwayne_, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-June/033458.html
[11:00] <ogra_> PROJECT would be ubuntu-touch ... and arch is armhf indeed ... and you should do all this inside an armhf chroot
[11:00] <davmor2> didrocks, ogra_, popey: did we get to the bottom of the click apps issue if not I can look at the logs now I'm actually at work
[11:00] <didrocks> davmor2: well, read that discussion ^
[11:00]  * ogra_ plans since ages to wrap a "rootstock-ng" script around that ... but i never find the time
[11:01] <didrocks> davmor2: basically, we revert nested Mir
[11:02] <ogra_> bah, sigh, slangasek hanst committed hiw changes to the branch
[11:02] <ogra_> *hasnt committed his
[11:03] <didrocks> ogra_: see what feelings it's creating to us for daily-releases? :p
[11:07] <davmor2> didrocks: did you manage to login in the end if not it might be the same issue as for the webapps being as that is effectively what the u1 login is?
[11:10] <didrocks> davmor2: it is working in the end with the revert
[11:10] <davmor2> didrocks: cool I'm still reading through the backlog
[11:12] <ogra_> didrocks, uploaded
[11:12] <didrocks> thanks ogra_! detailed email sent
[11:12] <didrocks> ogra_: with a big hint on the AP tests needed :p
[11:13] <didrocks> sil2100: any progress on the keyboard?
[11:13] <didrocks> just to know if we kick an image as soon as ogra_'s touch-session is in
[11:13] <didrocks> or if we still wait
[11:14] <ogra_> didrocks, i would say lets have one image with only the revert to make sure all is fine
[11:14] <didrocks> ogra_: I agree
[11:14] <ogra_> (and give sil2100 more time ;) )
[11:14] <didrocks> ogra_: the first one who sees the package published kick the image, ok? :p
[11:14] <ogra_> ok
[11:15]  * didrocks wonders why his 17.1 isn't on ci.ubuntu.com
[11:15] <sil2100> didrocks: testing the keyboard, since from what I saw no conflicts is needed, only the = of the ubuntu-keyboard version
[11:15] <didrocks> hum, not spawn
[11:15] <didrocks> ogra_: maybe a server-side issue? I remember kicking it on Friday before going EOW
[11:15] <sil2100> didrocks: because the new binary packages only install new files
[11:15] <didrocks> sil2100: ah nice!
[11:16] <sil2100> didrocks: but still, I'll propose a merge for the other debian/ change, but since it's just a packaging thing I can still perform testing in the meantime
[11:16] <didrocks> sil2100: sure
[11:17] <mhr3_> what's the deal with latest proposed?
[11:17] <ogra_> didrocks, well, there is no 17.1 on cdimage either
[11:17] <mhr3_> can't start anything there
[11:17] <didrocks> mhr3_: see the ubuntu-phone ML
[11:17] <mhr3_> any workarounds?
[11:17]  * mhr3_ checks
[11:17] <didrocks> mhr3_: my answer from 10 minutes ago
[11:17] <ogra_> mhr3_, patience
[11:17] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, I didn't click strongly enough or something else :p
[11:17] <ogra_> heh
[11:18] <ogra_> didrocks, no 17.1 on the livefs builder either, so there arrived no request on that end
[11:19] <didrocks> yeah, so not sure if the issue is between the browser and the requests or on my side :p
[11:19] <didrocks> not that important anyway
[11:21] <pitti> kalikiana: hey, good morning, wie gehts?
[11:22] <pitti> kalikiana: do you have some time to take a look at the QtSensor integration tests at https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/qtubuntu-sensors/integration-tests/+merge/201742 ?
[11:24] <ogra_> GRRR !
[11:24] <ogra_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162926137/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.ubuntu-touch-session_0.90_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:24]  * ogra_ checks whats wrong
[11:25] <ogra_> missing bzr add :/
[11:27] <stevenm> Lo, can I run touch on any x86 machine?  on a joggler would be good
[11:28] <ogra_> and next try ...
[11:28] <kalikiana> pitti: honestly not right now, I'm a bit busy with other stuff
[11:29] <pitti> kalikiana: ack; would you like to, or are you happy with tvoss approving?
[11:29] <pitti> kalikiana: (it's no problem to land that only in a week or so; not crucial)
[11:30] <kalikiana> pitti: if he reviews it that's fine by me
[11:30] <pitti> kalikiana: alright; I just didn't want to land that behind your back
[11:31] <kalikiana> appreciated
[11:31] <popey> stevenm: http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ this guy has some images, might be good to get in contact with him and try from there
[11:32] <stevenm> popey, i already know about those images - none for ubuntu touch though
[11:33] <popey> sure, he only works on LTS now, and 14.04 isn't out yet
[11:33] <popey> so I expect he may work on it from April
[11:57] <ogra_> didrocks, package is in, triggering a build
[11:57] <ogra_> running
[12:01] <didrocks> ogra_: great! :)
[12:02] <Laney> oSoMoN: with the webbrowser split, we don't need webbrowser-app (the package) on desktop any more, right?
[12:37] <cwayne_> pitti, thanks for uploading systemd :)  do we need to merge the livecd-rootfs branch as well?
[12:39] <didrocks> cwayne_: if you think about it, please update the status in the landing spreadsheet :)
[12:40] <cwayne_> didrocks, yep! was gonna as soon as i saw about this branch :)
[12:40] <didrocks> great, thankx ;)
[12:40] <didrocks> thanks*
[13:29] <pitti> cwayne_: yes; do we have a go-ahead with that now?
[13:29] <dpm> morning cwayne_! It's not yet in the store, but we've got a reminders-app click package ready for testing at http://people.canonical.com/~alan/click/com.ubuntu.reminders_0.1.29_armhf.click
[13:29] <dpm> popey, ^
[13:31] <cwayne_> pitti, i believe so. the only thing is -- will it break anything that it's trying to make a symlink to a file that doesn't exist yet? (i.e. should we make it touch /etc/machine-info first, or does it not matter)
[13:31] <cwayne_> dpm, nice! thanks for the heads up
[13:32] <dpm> cwayne_ np :)
[13:37] <pitti> cwayne_: it shouldn't break anything too hard beyond the way it already is broken due to moving the file; but it's certainly unusual to install broken symlinks by default
[13:40] <cwayne_> pitti, should we have it touch the file first then?
[13:40] <pitti> cwayne_: an empty file sounds not more helpful than a broken symlink
[13:40] <pitti> cwayne_: either we do want to put something in there by default, then we should do that
[13:41] <pitti> cwayne_: or by default we don't really want that file, then we shouldn't ship it nor the symlink
[13:41] <pitti> cwayne_: hostnamed and friends should just create the file if it's not there
[13:43] <ngtrieuvi> Aaf
[13:44] <popey> cwayne_: don't forget you need an account at sandbox.evernote.com
[13:48] <cwayne_> pitti, hm, so what's our best option here?
[13:49] <pitti> cwayne_: I see nothing wrong with https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/livecd-rootfs/machine-info-writable/+merge/201542; we don't have an /etc/machine-info by default, so this will essentialaly be a no-op for machine-info
[13:49] <pitti> cwayne_: and only actually affect /etc/hostname
[13:50] <pitti> cwayne_: ah, I see what you mean -- we actually need the /etc/machine-info → /etc/writable/ symlink in the r/o image
[13:50] <pitti> *shrug*, this approach is just irrecoverably broken
[13:51] <cwayne_> yeah :/
[13:51] <Laney> :/
[13:53] <pitti> cwayne_: so, if an empty file doesn't break or confuse whatever consumer this file has (bluez?), livecd-rootfs can certainly create an empty file before
[13:58] <cwayne_> pitti, i don't see how it could, nothing's using it if it's not set anyway
[13:59] <pitti> cwayne_: ack; can you please change the MP to touch the file then?
[14:00] <cwayne_> pitti, sure thing.
[14:07] <cwayne_> pitti, pushed
[14:11] <pitti> cwayne_: followed up; sorry for the misunderstanding
[14:11] <pitti> cwayne_: so, please either *only* touch /etc/machine-info before, or create dangling symlinks, but please let's not create all such files if they don't exist
[14:15] <thostr_> didrocks: ping
[14:15] <didrocks> thostr_: pong
[14:15] <thostr_> didrocks: can you block landing sheet item 208 for now?
[14:16]  * didrocks looks
[14:16] <thostr_> didrocks: we need to land 217 first and still looking for another fix to land for 208
[14:16] <didrocks> thostr_: ah, it was already blocked (lok at the other tab ;))
[14:16] <thostr_> ah, ok
[14:17] <didrocks> thostr_: can you add that on the landing asks to precise?
[14:17] <didrocks> everything's good, thanks for the catchup!
[14:17] <thostr_> didrocks: yes, I did so
[14:17] <ogra_> oSoMoN, so the new webapp mode adds a titlebar to all webapps ... i hope thts not wanted :)
[14:17] <didrocks> thx!
[14:18] <oSoMoN> ogra_, what do you mean by titlebar?
[14:18] <ogra_> oSoMoN, well, the top bar all QML apps have by default
[14:18] <ogra_> but without anything in it
[14:20] <oSoMoN> ogra_, no, that’s definitely not wanted, I hadn’t seen that in my tests, could be a regression in the UITK maybe?
[14:20] <ogra_> dunno, just noticed it
[14:21] <ogra_> (install IMDB ir BBC or dict.cc from the store to see it)
[14:21] <oSoMoN> yeah, trying now
[14:21] <davmor2> oSoMoN: only noticed it today, any click app that is a webapp shows it,  only the core webapps with their modded configs don't
[14:22] <oSoMoN> mmm, that’s weird
[14:22] <oSoMoN> davmor2, mind filing a bug?
[14:22] <cwayne_> pitti, pushed
[14:22] <didrocks> davmor2: can you hang me over the link then? I guess it's a promotion blocker
[14:23] <ogra_> ++
[14:23] <ogra_> definitely
[14:23] <didrocks> oSoMoN: do you think you have time to look at it now?
[14:23] <oSoMoN> didrocks, yeah, I’m looking at it
[14:24] <didrocks> thanks oSoMoN!
[14:24] <didrocks> sil2100: Mirv: cyphermox: as soon as oSoMoN has a fix, let's release webbrowser-app
[14:24] <ahayzen> Hi, anyone know why Jenkins hasn't run on this MP? https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-002/+merge/202171
[14:24] <davmor2> oSoMoN, didrocks on it
[14:24] <pitti> cwayne_: ack, thanks; so, that's approved for uploading now?
[14:25] <davmor2> oSoMoN: any preference on a package to file against?
[14:25] <oSoMoN> davmor2, use webapp-container
[14:25] <davmor2> oSoMoN: will do
[14:25] <cwayne_> pitti, i guess so? i tested the systemd packages with an empty file like this would create, so it should be good to go, unless you think we should run a local build first (which i still don't know how to do yet tbh)
[14:29] <pitti> cwayne_: no, I meant in terms of landing pipeline, etc.
[14:29]  * pitti feels didrocks's wrath when uploading something which changes the phone
[14:29] <didrocks> pitti: as long as you tested it on the phone, I'm fine with it :)
[14:29] <pitti> didrocks: I didn't; I assume cwayne_ did
[14:30] <cwayne_> i tested the systemd stuff, and made this file manually
[14:30] <pitti> i. e. I can't guarantee that an empty /etc/machine-info wouldn't cause some issues somewhere without extensive testing
[14:30] <cwayne_> and did the whole unity8 AP suite with the systemd changes on the phone
[14:32] <popey> davmor2: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-01-20-143139.png a screenshot for your bug ☻
[14:32] <didrocks> cwayne_: hum, if pitti is quite unsure, do you mind waiting for oSoMoN to fix the webapps container and that we kick an image with the regression confirmed to be fixed?
[14:32] <pitti> cwayne_: *nod*; I'll upload it then
[14:32] <davmor2> popey: ta I was just setting up my n4 to grab a shot :)
[14:32] <didrocks> we already had 3 regressions today
[14:32] <didrocks> I would appreciate to not have 4 ;)
[14:32] <pitti> didrocks: well, it's not like I *expect* trouble, just saying that I didn't test it myself
[14:32] <ogra_> popey, you got an unread message
[14:33] <popey> ogra_: ☻
[14:33] <didrocks> pitti: if cwayne_ is 100% confident and testing it throughfully, I'm fine
[14:34] <pitti> cwayne_: ^ sounded like you did that
[14:36] <pitti> cwayne_: uploaded
[14:37] <davmor2> didrocks, oSoMoN: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1270848  sorry could find the webapps-container package/project to file against in lp  feel free to change it :)
[14:37] <oSoMoN> davmor2, right, the source package is webbrowser-app (webapp-container is the binary package, sorry for the confusion)
[14:37] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[14:37] <cwayne_> pitti, thanks :)
[14:37] <ogra_> davmor2, confirmed
[14:38] <davmor2> popey: hmmmppfff finally I get an n4 can I take a screenshot from the default phablet tools in saucy can I boat :( no phablet-screenshot :'(  Trusty desktop on the other hand
[14:39] <cwayne_> ogra_, i tried to do a local build in my armhf chroot and had some issues.. is there any guide specific for ubuntu-touch by any chance?
[14:39] <ogra_> not really, i know janimo did some testing of the build process though
[14:40] <cwayne_> janimo, do we have any docs for doing a local rootfs build?
[14:50] <sergiusens> cwayne_, I do it with out old jenkins scripts
[14:50] <sergiusens> it is in no ways equal to what is done on the servers though
[14:50] <sergiusens> out/our
[14:50] <ogra_> well, the ML post from cjwatson should still apply
[14:51] <ogra_> and i know jani tested that (and found some issues he found ways around)
[14:52] <cwayne_> yeah i found some issues, havent found a way around it
[14:56] <mnom88> Can anyone point me into the docs how can I access touch events in my app using only C++ without the QML part ?
[14:57] <ThatRandomPerson> Can anyone help me with this? - "desktop_Exec (OpenFart)": "absolute path '/usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-app-launcher $@ --www=/usr/share/OpenFart/index.html' for Exec given in .desktop file."
[14:58] <ogra_> drop the path
[14:58] <ThatRandomPerson> How do I do that?
[14:59] <ogra_> in your .desktop file remove /usr/bin/ from the exec line
[14:59] <ThatRandomPerson> Thanks
[15:06] <cwayne_> and /usr/share
[15:09] <oSoMoN> ogra_, davmor2, didrocks: I have a tentative fix for the webapps regression, additional testing would be welcome: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/workaround-uitk-regression-header/+merge/202320
[15:11] <davmor2> oSoMoN: I can try it in a bit I don't know if ogra_ didrocks or popey can try it sooner
[15:16]  * ogra_ checks how big that diff is 
[15:16] <ogra_> oh, lol
[15:17] <ogra_> oh
[15:17] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/WebApps/
[15:17] <ogra_> WebAppContainer.qml  qmldir
[15:17] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/#
[15:17] <ogra_> oSoMoN, there is something wrong with the packaging i suppose
[15:18] <ogra_> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ should definitely not exist on the phone
[15:18] <ogra_> (that dir is the only thing in there)
[15:20] <oSoMoN> ogra_, wow, what is this doing there? let me check
[15:21] <ogra_> oSoMoN, confirming the fix
[15:21] <ogra_> on the phone it is /usr/share/webbrowser-app/webcontainer/WebApp.qml btw
[15:22] <oSoMoN> ogra_, cool, let’s hope it’s not introducing any new issue
[15:22] <ogra_> in case someone wants to edit in-place quickly
[15:25] <oSoMoN> ogra_, this file is shipped by ubuntu-html5-container, no idea what that package is
[15:25] <ogra_> hmm, me neither
[15:25] <ogra_> sil2100, didrocks ^^
[15:26] <FuLgOrE> hi all.I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 (second phone). As long as there is no Nexus 5 image, I would like to try Ubuntu Touch on the SGS2. I saw in that thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2188621&page=62 that Ubuntu developer needs to patch something that several devices can use calls/sms. Is that maybe working already? Phone calls and sms are important for me,
[15:27] <ogra_> better ask in the thread, i doubt there are many SGS2 users around
[15:27] <oSoMoN> ogra_, ubuntu-sdk-libs depends on it
[15:27] <ogra_> (here that is)
[15:28] <ogra_> oSoMoN, hmm, so someone has seeded it
[15:29] <oSoMoN> alex-abreu, hey, any idea what the ubuntu-html5-container package is, and why is installs files in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ on arm?
[15:29] <ogra_> oSoMoN, seems that was pitti
[15:29] <ogra_> (who seeded it)
[15:30] <oSoMoN> blame the seeder! ;)
[15:30] <ogra_> heh, no, but he probably can tell why it was added
[15:30] <ogra_> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/WebApps/
[15:30] <ogra_> oops
[15:30] <ogra_> message:
[15:30] <ogra_>   Add ubuntu-html5-container
[15:31] <ogra_> thats the commit message ... not much info there
[15:32] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, yes, it is a wrapper for html5 apps, there is an issue w/ the packaging being fixed atm
[15:33] <ogra_> awesome :)
[15:33] <oSoMoN> cool
[15:33] <sil2100> \o/
[15:34] <oSoMoN> alex-abreu, btw, could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/workaround-uitk-regression-header/+merge/202320 ?
[15:34] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, sure
[15:40] <pitti> oSoMoN, ogra_: sponsored for robru, bug 1268699
[15:40] <pitti> (which is reffed in the changelog)
[15:41] <ogra_> pitti, i looked at the seed commit, sorry
[15:41] <ogra_> though that bug isnt having any information either :P
[15:41] <ogra_> how helpful
[15:41]  * ogra_ was wondering about the "why" ... 
[15:42] <ogra_> anyway, as long as the pavkaging gets fixed all is fine i guess
[15:47] <aquarius> I'm just upgrading the Ubuntu installation in my dual-boot Android/Ubuntu device. After I say "remove ubuntu", I get taken almost instantly to a screen which looks like http://ubuntuone.com/3qJNpNEvcHGYerbSzJPe7s. I've just spent five minutes looking at it waiting for the progress bar to fill up to tell me that it's finished deleting Ubuntu, until I realised that it deleted Ubuntu almost instantly and this screen
[15:47] <aquarius> is the "install a new version of Ubuntu" screen. That's... really confusing, especially since I don't understand what the big purple square in the middle of the window is for. Should I report bugs about this sort of thing, or is it currently going through the design team who will fix this sort of thing?
[15:48] <ogra_> aquarius, thats not an official app
[15:48] <ogra_> (not going through any design, file a bug)
[15:48] <aquarius> ogra_, I know, which is why I don't know whether I should report bugs about it
[15:48] <ogra_> yes, you should, as described on the wikipage
[15:48] <aquarius> or whether I should just, y'know, write it off to "if you don't understand this, you are not technical enough" ;)
[15:49] <aquarius> aha! have found the "report bug" link.
[15:49] <ogra_> :)
[15:50] <oSoMoN> alex-abreu, can you top-approve https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/workaround-uitk-regression-header/+merge/202320 ?
[15:50] <cwayne_> aquarius, btw were you the one asking about qi chargers?  i just had my n4 on the official n5 qi charger and it 'just worked' :)
[15:50] <oSoMoN> (it passed CI)
[15:50] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, done
[15:50] <ogra_> cwayne_, oh, wow, mine didnt
[15:50] <oSoMoN> alex-abreu, thanks!
[15:51] <ogra_> (not on the official N5 one though)
[15:51] <aquarius> ogra_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/humpolec/+bug/1270865 filed.
[15:51] <ogra_> great, the devs will like that :)
[15:51] <aquarius> cwayne_, I was, and I bought the official Nexus wireless charger, and it arrived today, and it's lovely. :)
[15:52] <cwayne_> aquarius, agreed :)
[15:52]  * cwayne_ brb
[15:54] <sil2100> ogra_, oSoMoN: so, once this merge lands, we should release webbrowser-app?
[15:54] <ogra_> sil2100, yes please
[15:54] <oSoMoN> sil2100, yes, we’ll need a release indeed
[15:55] <oSoMoN> ogra_, has webapp-container been added to the seed already?
[15:55] <ogra_> oSoMoN, yep
[15:55] <ogra_> didrocks, did so
[15:55] <oSoMoN> cool, thanks
[15:55] <ogra_> 138 has it
[16:01] <mhall119> ogra_: sergiusens: I was asked if we can get libavahi on the phone images so apps can use that data to find and interact with devices on a local network
[16:01] <aquarius> ogra_, what are the disadvantages of flashing my Nexus 4 with the Android 4.3 radio image? I mean, the 4.4 radio image presumably got changes for a reason :)
[16:01] <ogra_> mhall119, i wish ... sadly that drags a tail of deps with it and it would require us ti set unique names
[16:02] <ogra_> aquarius, no idea, i neither ever used android 4.4 nor dual boot
[16:02] <aquarius> mhall119, oh god yes please! at least make the phone able to resolve foo.local addresses. Better still, make it have a foo.local address.
[16:02] <popey> mhall119: are there qml bindings for avahi?
[16:02] <popey> do we need them?
[16:02] <myNameIsWho> Ping Saviq  :)  do you have any time to talk to me about LauncherModel and how to use it.  I Tred to make a simple ListView to use the model , This works great for all things that are "applications://foo"  But how to get back list of running apps and also devices ect. in other words I can only get back favorite applications .
[16:03] <ogra_> mhall119, i brought that up recently during my vacation, but dont remember with whom i discussed it actually ... it needs a lot of stuff (including the server side)
[16:03] <myNameIsWho> or is that the only things that the model returns and I should look at other models ?
[16:03] <mhall119> popey: I think joseph mills made some for his app, he's the one who is requesting it
[16:03] <ogra_> popey, the client bit just hooks into your name resolution
[16:03] <mhall119> well, either his app or the VLC remote app
[16:03] <aquarius> mhall119, it is immensely handy that (a) Ubuntu does it (I haven't had to use ip addresses for years), (b) iOS does it (same reason: it's easy to hit servers on my network from my iphone), and it's incredibly annoying that Android *doesn't* do it, and that Ubuntu phone doesn't do it either :(
[16:04] <myNameIsWho> or maybe I have to make a abstractlitview for things that are "unity://foo" on dbus
[16:04] <aquarius> testing an in-progress website from the Ubuntu phone is dead irritating without it.
[16:04] <ogra_> popey, and we dont want to open the server side for it for sure
[16:04] <ogra_> (but it needs to be installed)
[16:04] <mhall119> ogra_: so it's not libavahi itself, but rather all it's dependencies, that is the problem
[16:04] <aquarius> ogra_, why not? if my phone is listening on a port, I'd like to be able to address the phone by name rather than having to look up its IP :(
[16:05] <ogra_> mhall119, right, it needs the avahi-daemon constantly running on the phone
[16:05] <mhall119> ogra_: even for discovery?
[16:05] <myNameIsWho> ogra_,  wh y?
[16:05] <myNameIsWho> ogra_,  why cant a app register to turn it on ?
[16:05] <mhall119> I'm okay if the phone doesn't broadcast itself (sorry aquarius), but being able to find devices that are
[16:05] <myNameIsWho> sorry for the eaaedropping
[16:05] <ogra_> mhall119, yes, lennart poettering built it that way
[16:06] <aquarius> mhall119, ya, having the phone be able to resolve foo.local addresses is the thing I would really like. Having the phone itself *have* a StuartsPhone.local address would be nice but much less critical :)
[16:06] <ogra_> aquarius, until you go to a ubuntu toch conference where you bring down the WLAN with mdns traffic (we had that at UDSes) *and* all phoines will have the same name
[16:06] <myNameIsWho> I think that it would be cool to have avahi-demon running and to have sensors also that are used so that it can ell how close things are also
[16:07] <ogra_> myNameIsWho, that requires that phones get an individual name
[16:07] <mnom88> Can anyone point me into the docs how can I access touch events in my app using only C++ without the QML part ?
[16:07] <myNameIsWho> ogra_,  I wrote that code yesterday want it ?
[16:07] <aquarius> ogra_, you have the very same naming problem with Bluetooth too. Besides, we know your name, because you've got an Ubuntu One account (most of the time), no?
[16:08] <ogra_> myNameIsWho, i stay away from C++ :)
[16:08] <aquarius> ogra_, so why don't ordinary conferences with a million Macbooks bring down the WLAN? I mean, maybe your answer is "they do" :)
[16:08] <ogra_> aquarius, i'm not saying its impossible ... but currently all phones have the same name
[16:08] <ogra_> we'd need to fix that first
[16:09] <ogra_> then we could think of avahi
[16:09] <ogra_> *but* i doubt our power people would like to have a service keeping the network up constantly
[16:09] <ogra_> so that would need even more changes to avahis current behavior
[16:09] <aquarius> ogra_, does a phone have to have a unique name in order for it to resolve other devices' foo.local names?
[16:09] <myNameIsWho> lol ogra_  here is a example of registering a a custom app on build that creates avahi name and also destroys it on shutdown
[16:09] <myNameIsWho> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vlc-touch/vlc-touch/streamcontroler/files
[16:10] <mhall119> if we can make it run only on demand, and stop after it's provided a list
[16:10] <mhall119> it could even be a ContentHub provider or something
[16:10] <myNameIsWho> ogra_,  but as you can see ther it needs libdns_sd
[16:10] <ogra_> mhall119, sure, but thats work that needs to happen first
[16:10] <ogra_> mhall119, and this is definitely something that must be discussed with a wider audience
[16:11] <mhall119> would it be easier to make avahi work that way, or just write a browse-only library that talks the right protocol?
[16:12] <myNameIsWho> aquarius, I think that it would already have two things on _workstation._tcp  and the ssh one.  But nothing that is there on start up that is like _unity8._tcp
[16:12] <aquarius> mhall119, looks like you need avahi-daemon to resolve names, as well as to advertise your own name, or at least that's what https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToZeroconf suggests. I might be misinterpreting that though
[16:12] <myNameIsWho> though I could patch that today if I got the green light to
[16:13] <myNameIsWho> aquarius, I am real good with bonjour/avahi  I wrote qml plugins for them and also a registration class.  Only thing is it depends on libdns_sd
[16:14] <aquarius> myNameIsWho, so in order for the phone to resolve someotherdevice.local it does not need a daemon permanently running?
[16:14] <mhall119> myNameIsWho: could you write a plugin that implemented the protocol, at least for discovery, independent of avahi?
[16:14] <mhall119> or does your plugin already do that?
[16:15] <myNameIsWho> mhall119,  done
[16:15] <mhall119> myNameIsWho: so do you need libavahi on the phone anymore?
[16:16] <myNameIsWho> aquarius,  yeah it is nice to have a deamon running and would need to be.  Just like all workstations At this time
[16:16] <myNameIsWho> mhall119, that is not a good idea because I would have to write another deamon I would think
[16:17] <myNameIsWho> but as long as dns_sd lib is install I dont see why My plugins would not work.
[16:17] <mhall119> ok, I'm not sure why a daemon is needed, but it's probably because I don't understand the protocol
[16:18] <myNameIsWho> I dont know if they would need a deamon all the time.  Is there something that I can test ?  Like can I shut down the avahi-deamon and try ... wait that is what I will do right now.  just as a test
[16:19] <ogra_> mhall119, ask lenneart ... he dropped the possibility to run it without demon
[16:19] <ogra_> mhall119, iirc i discussed it with pitti in december
[16:19] <ogra_> (i wanted my heating control app to automatically scan for the server ... resorted to an !ask for IP" doalog now)
[16:19] <myNameIsWho> yeah "Error: -65537"  Failed to register service.  this is after I shut down the deamon
[16:20] <pitti> mhall119: AFAIK you need a daemon to pick up the SD announcement packets (like a new service coming up somewhere and saying "hi, here I am")
[16:21] <pitti> mhall119: otherwise, if you wanted to do that synchronously, you'd have to spam the network with broadcast requests, wake up and wait for every device in the network, so it would take awfully long to actually see discovered results
[16:21] <aquarius> and starting up a daemon every time someone asks for a DNS resolution of a .local name and then shutting it down again right afterwards would be rubbish, wouldn't it?
[16:21] <myNameIsWho> turn it back on and I get "Service registration complete: name 'VLC Running on Mycomputer' type '_vlc-streamer._tcp.' domain: 'local.'"    so yeah mhall119  deamon needs to be running to register new avahi things
[16:21] <pitti> mhall119: usually SD announcements are "push style", not "pull style"
[16:22] <mhall119> ah, ok
[16:22] <mhall119> so if you're not listening when it happens, you've missed it
[16:22] <pitti> that's how I understand it, yes
[16:23] <pitti> there certainly is a broadcast request to poke all network peers about their capabilities, but that's much less efficient
[16:23] <pitti> mhall119: but that's all some time ago, I could be completely wrong
[16:28] <pitti> mhall119: also, I figure another simple reason is that you need special privileges to send DNS-SD messages on a privileged UDP port
[16:31] <myNameIsWho> ogra_,  should I make a class that registers a custom avahi record for unity8 ?
[16:31] <myNameIsWho> is that a good idea even ?
[16:32] <mhall119> I don't think it should be in Unity8, no
[16:32] <mhall119> if we went with the less efficient broadcast request, it could be a privileged helper/ContentHub provider
[16:32] <myNameIsWho> mhall119,  what should the service name be called ?
[16:33]  * mhall119 is terrible at naming things
[16:33] <ogra_> myNameIsWho, i think we foirst need a proper discussion about including the daemon side, proper research what that does to the system and then it should just sit in the low level of the system
[16:33] <ogra_> your app shouldnt need to care about it
[16:33] <mhall119> so, next UDS then?
[16:33] <ogra_> mhall119, rather a ML discussion
[16:34] <myNameIsWho> ogra_,  what if my app is a hdmistick  with a custom version of unity8 on it that can stream things from the phone
[16:34] <ogra_> and someone to research the power implications ...
[16:34] <mhall119> myNameIsWho: can you start the conversation on ubuntu-phone ML?  Start with the use case you have, what your needs are and what you've implemented already
[16:34] <nik90> mhall119: btw when is the next UDS? Somewhere in Feb?
[16:34] <mhall119> nik90: March-ish
[16:34] <mhall119> it's not been scheduled yet though
[16:34] <nik90> nice
[16:35] <ogra_> myNameIsWho, whjy would the app matter ... mDNS is a protocol that hooks into the systems name resolution ... you would just use it like you use DNS today
[16:35] <oSoMoN_> sil2100, the fix for the webapps container landed, can we release it?
[16:35] <myNameIsWho> ogra_,  easy way to find services. unless there is a better way that you know of
[16:35] <ogra_> myNameIsWho, i'm just saying it needs to live on the system level
[16:36] <myNameIsWho> ogra_, like how vnc abd ssh services for avahi live ?
[16:36] <sil2100> oSoMoN_: aye! Let me start the build
[16:36] <myNameIsWho> s|abd|and
[16:36] <mhall119> it would be nice if you could ask the ContentHub "Give me a network address for a device that provides iTunes Audio Access" and it'll return a set to you
[16:36] <oSoMoN_> sil2100, thanks!
[16:37] <didrocks> oSoMoN_: ogra_: back from exercise
[16:37] <didrocks> davmor2: ogra_: did you try testing it?
[16:37] <ogra_> didrocks, the webapps fix ?
[16:37] <ogra_> yeah
[16:37] <sil2100> oSoMoN_: thanks for taking care of it!
[16:37] <didrocks> ogra_: oh, I like this i386-linux-gnu, yummi!
[16:37] <ogra_> i commented on the MP
[16:37] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, ogra_ tested it and approved the fix
[16:37] <ogra_> you can do it yourself too ... its a only word fix :)
[16:37] <davmor2> didrocks: I was testing at the time but ogra_ took it
[16:37] <ogra_> s/only/one/
[16:38] <didrocks> sil2100: you are handling the landing?
[16:39] <myNameIsWho> ogra_,  aquarius  mhall119 pitti  thanks for taking the time to talk to me about dns-sd mhall119  I willl write the mailing list
[16:39] <ogra_> myNameIsWho, thanks !
[16:39] <mhall119> thanks myNameIsWho
[16:39] <ogra_> i'm all in favour of having avahi support ... but it needs some research and most likely some changes
[16:40] <myNameIsWho> ogra_,  anything off the top of your head ?
[16:40] <ogra_> myNameIsWho, well, checking the daemon power consumption ... keeping the network devices up permanently etc etc
[16:40] <ogra_> what pitti listed above
[16:42] <myNameIsWho> cool.  maybe if it turned on and off real easy like.  Example: open app that needs dns-sd (turns onservices real quick ) looks makes abstractlistmodel  and inserts each one if not there.  and then shuts deamon off ?
[16:43] <myNameIsWho> or check against DB
[16:43] <ogra_> myNameIsWho, well, see what pitti said ... its not "pull style" which means it will only work if the daemon runs all the time
[16:43] <pitti> NB, that's how I remember it; ICBW
[16:44] <pitti> but if not, you certainly need to be privileged to open a low port
[16:44] <ogra_> pitti, i'm pretty sure you are right
[16:44] <ogra_> i looked quite a bit into that during my vacation
[16:44] <ogra_> since i wanted my app to auto-discover on the network
[16:44] <ogra_> but i resorted to a "please enter server IP" dialog on startup for now
[16:47] <nik90> ogra_: which apps of yours are you referring to?
[16:48] <ogra_> nik90, something not yet released ;)
[16:48] <nik90> :)
[16:48] <ogra_> a heating control app, which allows me to adjust the radoators in my rooms in the house
[16:49] <nik90> ogra_: wow..home control..nice!
[16:49]  * nik90 wishes my house had those kind of stuff
[16:50] <ogra_> once the app is ready i'll blog about it (and the server setup as well as the HW used)
[16:50] <aquarius> ogra_, someone's just released an app like that, haven't they?
[16:50] <Hourd> ogra_: that sounds really useful, and migth actually motivate me to get around to setting that up
[16:51] <aquarius> ogra_, oh! it was mzanetti and it controlled the *lights* in his house. :)
[16:51] <aquarius> I remember now.
[16:51] <mzanetti> not released yet
[16:51] <nik90> aquarius: not yet released..he let us peek at it during his design video :P
[16:51] <mzanetti> one feature still missing, but working quite well already
[16:52] <aquarius> cool. Ubuntu controlling lights... Ubuntu controlling heater...
[16:52] <aquarius> Will Cooke is building a raspberry pi heating/hotwater controller too :)
[16:52] <ogra_> aquarius, right, mzanetti and i will take over your home !
[16:52] <nik90> lol
[16:52] <mzanetti> here you can test it: https://github.com/mzanetti/shine
[16:52] <aquarius> not my home. the heating and wiring here is older than I am ;)
[16:52] <mzanetti> there's a run_on_ubuntu_touch script in the code
[16:53] <ogra_> aquarius, Will is rather building something like this http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/watchthesun/
[16:53]  * aquarius draws an ascii mockup of what I think the dual boot app should look like
[16:53] <aquarius> ogra_, yeah, something like that. He had a load of complicated diagrams :)
[16:54] <ogra_> aquarius, (very early stage, looks quite different now ... etc yada yadda) http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/fhemtouch/fhemtouch-officeview.png
[16:54] <ogra_> thats what i build
[16:54] <aquarius> blimey
[16:54] <aquarius> I just set the thermostat to 21°C and basically never touched it again ;)
[16:54] <ogra_> so you select the room http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/fhemtouch/fhem-devicestouch.png and dajust the thermostate :)
[16:54] <ogra_> i dont
[16:55] <ogra_> and it saves me 1000s every year
[16:55] <ogra_> (literally, not joking)
[16:55] <Hourd> That is rather nice
[16:55] <nik90> ogra_: that background is cool..I wish the SDK provided an API for setting a background image as the background
[16:55] <aquarius> heh. This house costs the earth to heat because nobody had heard of cavity walls when they built it 170 years ago; I should probably care a bit more about this sort of thing.
[16:55] <ogra_> my room heatings all run programmed ... turn to night and window open modes etc
[16:56] <ogra_> aquarius, yeah, similar here
[16:56] <ogra_> when i moved in we burned about 5000l oil per winter
[16:56] <pitti> ogra_: nice! house automation FTW
[16:56] <aquarius> nik90, Image { anchors.fill: parent; fillMode: Image.PreserveAspectCrop } isn't that hard, isit?
[16:57] <ogra_> with some minor isolation work and the programmed heatings i got it down to ~3000 ... without investing much yet
[16:57] <aquarius> your house burns oil? blimey, I thought mine was old fashioned :)
[16:57] <aquarius> nice
[16:58]  * ogra_ will replace windows and add proper wall isolation over the next years ... target is to get to 2000 which should be average for a 200sqm house like this 
[16:58] <nik90> aquarius: it isn't hard, but always nice to provide a uniform way of doing stuff by just backgroundImage: imageurl
[16:58] <ogra_> aquarius, 60% of german heatings are still oil driven
[16:58] <aquarius> nik90, ah, but some people will want crop and some fill semantics, and some a tiled background... which means you just end up reinventing Image anyway, surely/
[16:58] <aquarius> ogra_, wow. I did not know that!
[16:59] <nik90> aquarius: true
[17:00] <ogra_> aquarius, yeah, pretty awful
[17:00] <aquarius> ogra_, on a more serious note, who does know about the disadvantages of downgrading the Android radio image are? Is this a Mike Frey sort of question?
[17:00] <ogra_> aquarius, more an rsalveti or awe one ... i dont think there are any
[17:01] <aquarius> hrm. If there were no changes in the new version then it'd still work. ;) rsalveti, ping :)
[17:01] <rsalveti> well, latest radio image should probably have additional fixes, but who knows, it's all closed source
[17:01] <ogra_> yeah
[17:02] <ogra_> i havent heard anything bad from people using the old stack with 4.4
[17:02] <aquarius> rsalveti, I'm just checking in case you say "if you downgrade your battery will only last half as long because they did loads of power fixes in radio 4.4" or something
[17:03] <rsalveti> no no, works the same way
[17:03] <aquarius> cool
[17:03] <ogra_> aquarius, and ? thats the price you pay for running android on your ubuntu phone
[17:03] <aquarius> one other question: you're not going to release a new Ubuntu image which works with the 4.4 radio, like, tomorrow or anything? :)
[17:04] <ogra_> just throw that old crap away
[17:04] <ogra_> :)
[17:04] <ogra_> aquarius, not tomorrow no
[17:04] <rsalveti> goal is end of month
[17:04] <aquarius> ogra_, I'm eager to shift to Ubuntu full-time when it's ready, certainly!
[17:04] <ogra_> aquarius, more like friday perhaps
[17:04] <aquarius> ah, that's ages
[17:04]  * aquarius will downgrade, then
[17:14] <slangasek> ogra_: there's a mp waiting for someone who actually can commit it to merge it; perhaps you'd like to fix the branch ownership :)
[17:14] <ogra_> slangasek, weird, i didnt have it in my mail
[17:15] <ogra_> slangasek, all fine now though ... we rolled back the whole thing due to other regressions that the tests dont cover
[17:15] <aquarius> yeahhh working wifi in Ubuntu. Excellent.
[17:15] <aquarius> thank you, rsalveti
[17:15] <slangasek> ogra_: yep saw that in mail - anyway, my mp was here: https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/session-manager-touch/qpa-mir-setting-fix/+merge/202208
[17:15] <slangasek> ogra_: again, feel free to fix the branch rights so core-dev can commit :)
[17:27] <mterry> didrocks, what was the missing env nested mode bug?
[17:28] <didrocks> mterry: we saw a lot of crashes (look at the CI dashboard, image #137 for crash files)
[17:28] <didrocks> mterry: if you look at procenv, they are quite empty
[17:28] <didrocks> and the logs are showing up the "can't load module…"
[17:28] <didrocks> meaning, there is no MIR_SOCKET env variable associated
[17:28] <didrocks> ogra_ can expand I guess ^
[17:30] <ogra_> mterry, well, there was the rollback slangasek did ... which made sure QPA_PLUGIN is always set by revertion the qpa_*sh change so that antopilot would still run
[17:30] <mterry> Yeah, reading the thread about it now, didn't see it when I asked
[17:30] <ogra_> mterry, the other bit depending on MIR_SOCKET was ubuntu-touch-session ... and there it apparently was racy so it was sometimes set and sometimes wasnt on login
[17:31] <mterry> Hmmmmm why would that happen.  lightdm should always be settin it
[17:31] <ogra_> mterry, http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/ #136 and #136 were 100% identical images ... on #137 many tests suddenly didnt have MIR_SOCKET set
[17:32] <ogra_> it probably sets it but doesnt export it into the user session ?
[17:32] <ogra_> no idea
[17:32] <ogra_> mterry, the UI stacking issue is something ricmm was looking at in the other channel
[17:34] <mterry> Bummer that I didn't happen to try those things in nested mode
[17:34] <ogra_> yeah
[17:34] <ogra_> we need AP tests for these
[17:34] <mterry> But good that we know we are missing AP coverage  :)
[17:34] <mterry> yup
[17:34] <ogra_> same for me
[17:34] <ogra_> io even ran nested for about a week on my maguro without issues
[17:34] <ogra_> but indeed i had set up WLAN before installing the deb ... so it could pull in the deps
[17:35] <ogra_> (and had a set up U1 account too already ... so i didnt hit any of this)
[17:35] <WebbyIT> Saviq, could you please ping me when you come back?
[17:52] <j0chn> Hi there.
[17:53] <j0chn> When I want to flash Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus One I get following error.
[17:53] <j0chn> INFO:phablet-flash:Device detected as /sbin/sh: getprop: not found ERROR:phablet-flash:Unsupported device, autodetect fails device
[17:53] <j0chn> I found a solution to set the timer in  /usr/bin/phablet-flash  but there is no timer :/
[17:54] <j0chn> More Information: I just can boot into recovery... not into android or ubuntu touch...
[17:56] <j0chn> Do you have any suggestions?
[18:12] <rsalveti> davmor2: mind doing a quick test for me?
[18:12] <davmor2> rsalveti: I can in like 15-20 minutes
[18:13] <rsalveti> davmor2: cool, with maguro, just call some number and then try to enable speaker
[18:13] <rsalveti> tried that here and it crashed everything but ofono :-)
[18:14] <ogra_> as long as the speaker works :P
[18:14] <kaimast> just wondering. is/will the content hub be using kdbus?
[18:14] <rsalveti> no, crashed before that
[18:15] <rsalveti> worked fine after a reboot
[18:15] <rsalveti> dialer-app, powerd and unity8 crashed
[18:15] <rsalveti> got a few crash files, time to investigate
[18:16] <davmor2> rsalveti: it is working fine here on 138
[18:16] <rsalveti> I think what actually caused the crash was the auto-screen shutdown with the proximity sensor
[18:16] <rsalveti> davmor2: cool, thanks
[18:18] <ogra_> kaimast, not sure what our plans towards kdbus are ... afaik its a systemd thing ... we might just keep a system dbus around
[18:18] <davmor2> rsalveti: covering and uncovering the sensor nothing
[18:18] <davmor2> rsalveti: still working fine
[18:18] <rsalveti> davmor2: yeah, can't reproduce it anymore
[18:18] <rsalveti> davmor2: will check the crash files, thanks anyway :-)
[18:18] <kaimast> ogra_: yeah but you need some kind of memfs (which kdbus provides). afaik android kernel has someting similiar so that may be used (but wouldn't be available on the desktop)
[18:18] <davmor2> rsalveti: no worries
[18:19]  * davmor2 goes back to the other bit of his job
[18:19] <ogra_> kaimast, well, i guess someone like slangasek knows the plans wrt kdbus (or a replacement) ... i dont
[18:19] <ogra_> (and he is off today)
[18:20] <kaimast> well it is not important
[18:20] <kaimast> i am just curious :)
[18:20] <kaimast> but personally I don't see why kdbus shouldn't work well with upstart
[18:21] <ogra_> i guess we'll likely go with what debian will use ... which might be some new thing based on todays system dbus
[18:21] <ogra_> (or an enhancement to upstart ... yeah)
[18:25] <harrisr> when does it come out to nexus 7 2013
[18:27] <ogra_> harrisr, probably by end of the month
[18:28] <harrisr> will it void warrenty by squaretrade
[18:28] <ogra_> no idea ... but to my knowledge nexus devices are all aloowed to be flashed by design ...
[18:29] <ogra_> no idea if squaretrade does anything google doesnt though
[18:29] <harrisr> google doesnt what?
[18:31] <ogra_> if you buy directly at google it allows you to do everything you want with the device ... nothing will void the warranty
[18:31] <ogra_> (well, nothing you could do with software :) )
[18:32] <ogra_> the hardware is open for it explicitly ...
[18:34] <harrisr> i bought from staples
[18:36] <sergiusens> ogra_, does it really say that in the fine print?
[18:36] <sergiusens> on the device when you do an oem unlock
[18:36] <ogra_> sergiusens, i think it does ... but it is ages ago since i unlocked my last one :)
[18:37] <ogra_> my 2013 N7 still runs android as ebook reader atm ... i'll unlock it at the sprint so we can check :)
[18:37] <ogra_> (it is still virgin)
[18:37] <ogra_> hmm+which reminds me
[18:37] <ogra_> mhall119, when do we get the document-viewer
[18:38] <ogra_> i really want to read my pdf books on ubuntu
[18:39] <asac> ogra_: does that fall into multimedia? :)
[18:39] <sergiusens> ogra_, we have one; sort of
[18:39]  * asac thinks so :)
[18:39] <sergiusens> ogra_, it's not in the images or the store due to some opens that were found atm
[18:40] <sergiusens> like, getting the books on there
[18:40] <ogra_> sergiusens, thats the one i was asking about
[18:40] <asac> mediascanner cant do pdf?
[18:40] <ogra_> (the pdf viewer)
[18:40] <ogra_> asac, what has mediascanner to do with it ?
[18:41] <ogra_> asac, i know there is a "document-viewer" app that was developed to be shipped by default
[18:41] <ogra_> and its done since saucy iirc
[18:41] <ogra_> but due to some issue still not shipped
[18:41] <asac> well, i think in order to access any media (pic, music, video, books) mediasccanner needs to scan and index them
[18:41] <asac> so that you can even find them through content hub :)
[18:42]  * asac thinks we missed the books case
[18:42] <ogra_> we surely did
[18:42] <ogra_> i think for beru there was actually a bug openend
[18:42] <asac> ogra_: right. i think it belongs in our multimedia story, will put it in there
[18:42] <ogra_> by the author ...
[18:42] <asac> ogra_: are there other book formats?
[18:42] <asac> or just pdf?
[18:43] <ogra_> usually its epub
[18:43] <ogra_> i personally just happen to have all my books as pdf
[18:43] <asac> ogra_: is there a no-DRM standard used by book stores != amazon?
[18:43] <ogra_> epub is more common
[18:43] <asac> is that epub?
[18:43] <asac> like thalia?
[18:43] <ogra_> yeah
[18:43] <ogra_> epub can be open as well as drm tainted
[18:43] <asac> thats fine
[18:43] <ogra_> same goes for pdf though
[18:44] <asac> ogra_: do you know if != amazon folks all do DRM? or is it like mp3 where everyone but apple goes without drm :)?
[18:44] <ogra_> there are other formats ... not sure whet the suffixes are
[18:44] <ogra_> i.e. kindle has its own
[18:44] <ogra_> no idea
[18:44] <asac> yeah. i think kindle is always drm though
[18:45] <ogra_> the few epub books that i bought i had to jump throough a long row of hoops to get the drm off
[18:45] <ogra_> to actually be able to read them
[18:46] <asac> ogra_: thalia.de gives me bad gateway ... you too?
[18:46] <ogra_> asac, try www.
[18:46] <ogra_> oh
[18:46] <ogra_> heh
[18:46] <asac> ogra_: tried too
[18:46] <ogra_> seems their store crashed
[18:47] <asac> ok ... so its not my providing having a bogus proxy :P
[18:47] <asac> my provider
[18:47]  * asac wonders what myracloud is
[18:47] <asac> "Security and Performance" :)
[18:47] <ogra_> asac, its back :)
[18:48] <asac> https://myracloud.com/bundles/sopradomyracloud/img/secure_EN.png
[18:48] <ogra_> seems we just hit their outage on the spot :)
[18:48] <asac> i guess i am an attacker
[18:48] <asac> :)
[18:48] <asac> using crazy linux etc.
[18:48] <asac> yep its back
[18:48] <mhall119> ogra_: we need FileManager to implement a ContentHub exporter before the DocViewer would be useful to you
[18:48] <ogra_> well, thalia is definitely epub wirh drm
[18:48] <asac> ok too bad. i wont switch from kindle to them then
[18:48] <asac> -> their deathmarch continues
[18:49] <ogra_> but the drm is removable
[18:49] <asac> really sad that they will die eventually though
[18:49] <sergiusens> asac, look at project gutenberg for open book formats ;-)http://www.gutenberg.org/
[18:49] <mhall119> ogra_: you can install DocViewer now, if you wanted, but you'd have to run it unconfined, and launch it from the command-line with the filepath
[18:49] <asac> ogra_: how is that removable? doesnt that defeat the purpose of DRM?
[18:49] <ogra_> mhall119, hmm ... that might be enough to read an ebook ...
[18:49] <asac> i mean... unless you have electronically hacked devices i mean
[18:50] <sergiusens> kindle is a lot better anyways
[18:50] <mhall119> ogra_: Beru is nice, if it's in epub
[18:50] <sergiusens> wouldn't use an active screen at all
[18:50] <ogra_> i was thinking about a local webapp using pdf.js ...
[18:50] <mhall119> ogra_: IIRC, somebody was working on an app like that
[18:50] <ogra_> but that will likely outsmart our browser app
[18:50] <ogra_> mhall119, all my books are pdf
[18:51] <mhall119> you'd still need a way to access the file, which means ContentHub + FileManager
[18:51] <ogra_> or just copy it to the right place ;)
[18:51]  * asac pretty sure that all starts with mediascanner support to make ebooks a top level media format
[18:51] <mhall119> of that
[18:52] <mhall119> s/of/or/
[18:52] <JensOle100> what??
[18:52] <ogra_> ebooks are the only thing keeping me run android somewhere
[18:52] <asac> right
[18:52] <ogra_> well, the pdf ones specifically
[18:52] <asac> what is beru?
[18:52] <asac> someone has a link?
[18:52] <ogra_> and i actually have some requirements to the reader i use :)
[18:53] <ogra_> asac, its in the store, just install it
[18:53] <mhall119> asac: it's a native epub reader
[18:53] <ogra_> does open epub
[18:53] <asac> can you convert pdf to epub?
[18:53] <mhall119> probably
[18:54] <ogra_> asac, yeah, with mixed results
[18:55] <ogra_> asac, i actually wrte myself a html viewer and used pdftohtml
[18:55] <ogra_> that worked quite well except that the screen shuts off all the time
[18:55] <ogra_> which is really really annoying
[18:55] <asac> ogra_: so epub to pdf is better or "also mixed results"?
[18:55] <ogra_> (and we apparently dont plan to allow apps to control this)
[18:56] <ogra_> (same goes for rotation ... i dont want my page to rotate when i read a book)
[18:56] <ogra_> different :)
[18:56] <sergiusens> asac, use https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/calibre-bin/
[18:56] <ogra_> it messes up other stuff
[18:57] <asac> why do we display a debian water mark picture when "no screenshot available"?
[18:57] <JensOle100> I have a very serious problem people. My English is limited sorry. So, when I start my (my mom bought it) tablet, he works for a few seconds. Approximately 20 to 30. Then shutsdown itself. It is not a big brand and I can not get into recovery mode. plz help PS running Android 4.0 ice cake or something
[18:57] <asac> i would have expected to see at least something "ubuntu'ish"
[18:57] <asac> :)
[18:57] <ogra_> one conversion messes up paragraphs and page breaks ... the other messes up linebreaks
[18:57] <asac> mhall119: ^^
[18:57] <ogra_> or so ... i dont remember exactly
[18:57] <asac> mhall119: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/calibre-bin/ -> the screenshot pick is debian
[18:57] <ogra_> for me html was best
[18:58] <ogra_> asac, calibre lives in universe ... feel free :)
[18:58] <asac> well, it seems we use the debian picture as a fall back
[18:58] <asac> if there is no screenshot
[18:58] <ogra_> oh, that
[18:59] <ogra_> ask beuno
[18:59] <asac> could be we want to give debian credit
[18:59] <asac> but that picture is not really beautiful :P
[18:59] <ogra_> yeah, should be a skull ... like xkill :P
[19:00] <asac> lol
[19:00] <asac> we could show "xteddy there"
[19:00] <asac> or xeyes
[19:00] <ogra_> xeyes !
[19:00] <asac> those would be classy
[19:00] <ogra_> following your mouse
[19:00] <asac> yeah... live-xeyes
[19:00] <asac> beuno: can we do xeyes style images as fallback if an app has no screenshot here: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/calibre-bin/
[19:00] <asac>  :)
[19:00]  * ogra_ wonders if people notice that its after beer oÄclock in germany 
[19:01] <asac> remember: after beer o'clock is before beer o'clock
[19:01] <asac> :)
[19:01] <asac> and vv.
[19:01] <ogra_> ++
[19:01] <beuno> what what?
[19:02]  * beuno looks
[19:02] <beuno> heh
[19:02] <beuno> well
[19:02] <beuno> we can make screenshots mandatory  ;)
[19:03] <asac> beuno: we thougth the debian spiral isnt nice... we could use something classy and pair a vintage thing with modern webtech by making live-xeyes there :)
[19:03] <harrisr> does anyone know if installing ubuntu touch on nexus 7 2013 voids warrenty
[19:04]  * beuno nods
[19:04] <asac> harrisr: i know about real folks that installed ubuntu and sent it back after it got broken and got it refunded
[19:04] <beuno> asac, I'll do something about that
[19:04] <beuno> asac, actually
[19:04] <asac> beuno: :)
[19:04] <beuno> that's not the click store
[19:04] <beuno> it's the old store
[19:05] <beuno> so my official position is "meh"
[19:05] <asac> beuno: hehe.. was more of a joke anyway
[19:05] <asac> beuno: just wondered if you know why we picked the debian spiral rather than something ubuntu branded as the fallback image
[19:05] <asac> debian wirl
[19:05] <beuno> asac, apt, packages, debian something, default
[19:05] <beuno> something in there is true
[19:06] <asac> beuno: so you say that default decision is not coded in the webapp but rather in iour software-store?
[19:06] <asac> default fallback
[19:07] <asac> anyway, dont worry. was just joking
[19:07] <asac> but click store should surely have xeyes :)
[19:07] <asac> lol
[19:07] <asac> clickeyes
[19:08] <ogra_> asac, http://screenshots.debian.net/
[19:08] <ogra_> thats where we pull them from i think
[19:08] <beuno> asac, I'll make sure you get them custom for your user  ;)
[19:08] <ogra_> which would explain why we use their fallback if there is none
[19:09] <beuno> right
[19:10] <beuno> we could change it, but again, old is old
[19:10] <asac> seems we manipulate image and remove "upload one" :)
[19:13] <harrisr> what is the page to the nexus 7 2013
[19:14] <harrisr> what is the page to the nexus 7 2013
[19:14] <davmor2> asac: I followed your advice and now I can't see.  so much for clickeyes
[19:14] <harrisr> \
[19:16] <asac> davmor2: lol ... i actually think we should call it "popeye" ... where you can pop the eyes by touching :)
[19:16] <asac> lol
[19:16] <asac> davmor2: WARNING>... dont do that
[19:17] <davmor2> asac: spoil all my fun ;)
[19:19] <asac> harrisr: not sure i understand your question. maybe rephrase
[19:20] <harrisr> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Work_in_progress
[19:20] <harrisr> this where is the site specific to ubuntu touch
[19:20] <asac> davmor2: interestingly enough, google saw that trend and uses it in their N7 blurbs: https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_7_16gb_2013 -> "eye-popping performance"
[19:21] <asac> harrisr: we dont have one there yet (as we dont have anything you can download and install for another couple of weeks)
[19:22] <harrisr> ok
[19:22] <harrisr> do you work for conical
[19:22] <davmor2> asac: it's not that good
[19:50] <mhall119> asac: probably because we're using upstream's screenshot data
[19:51] <mhall119> asac: http://screenshots.debian.net/
[19:51] <mhall119> though they do have one for calibre: http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/c/calibre/8996_large.png
[19:52] <mhall119> not sure why it's not used
[19:52] <mhall119> asac: poke beuno
[19:53] <mhall119> asac: ah, 'calibre' has the correct one: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/calibre/
[19:54] <mhall119> so I guess we'd just want to replace the fallback
[19:54] <beuno> we would, about 2 years ago
[19:54] <beuno> today, probably not so much in a hurry :)
[19:55] <mhall119> asac: the good news is, ubuntu-webcatalog is AGPLv3, so patches welconme :)
[20:25] <annerajb> any updates on setting up gerrit?
[20:46] <Moonshine> Hi all
[20:46] <Moonshine> just installed unbutu on my Nexs 4 got a problem thou
[20:46] <Moonshine> cant seem to find my wifi
[20:46] <Moonshine> or any wifi only option there is join automatcally
[20:47] <daker> Moonshine: you need Android 4.3
[20:47] <Moonshine> Hmm?
[20:47] <Moonshine> what do you mean?
[20:48] <Moonshine> i need to reinstall aindroid update then instal unbutu?
[20:49] <daker> or just push the android 4.3 radio.img
[20:50] <daker> http://askubuntu.com/questions/398559/ubuntu-touch-wifi-sound-stuff
[20:52] <Moonshine> cheers friend, do i need to put it in any specific directory?
[20:54] <daker> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg05882.html
[20:55] <daker> you need to use fastboot flash radio $RADIO_FIRMWARE.img
[21:01] <Moonshine> well i put the .zip on my phone in downloads
[21:01] <Moonshine> and ran that command whilst in fast boot
[21:01] <Moonshine> nothing happend
[21:02] <Moonshine> i ran the command "fastboot flast radio $radio-mako-m9615a-cefwmazm-2.0.1700.84.img"
[21:03] <daker> Moonshine: no
[21:03] <daker> run it from the desktop
[21:04] <daker> put the .img in a folder in your desktop
[21:05] <daker> navigate to that folder using the terminal
[21:05] <daker> then run
[21:05] <daker> fastboot flast radio radio-mako-m9615a-cefwmazm-2.0.1700.84.img
[21:13] <Moonshine> hmm
[21:13] <Moonshine> i don't get it
[21:13] <Moonshine> not working
[21:14] <Moonshine> So i've got a foler on ym desktop called " RADIO_FIRMWARE"
[21:14] <Moonshine> in that folder is: radio-mako-m9615a-cefwmazm-2.0.1700.84.zip
[21:15] <Moonshine> my phone is in fastboot mode
[21:23] <Moonshine> Daker?
[21:24] <daker> the only thing i can recommend that is to re-flash android 4.3, then re-flash ubuntu using phablet-flash
[22:33] <Moonshine> hi all
[22:33] <Moonshine> can someone help me please >.>
[22:33] <Moonshine> Just installed touch on my nexus and Wifi isnt working, after looking i need to install 4.3 .img to the phone?
[22:33] <Moonshine> well flash it, but i cant find a retards guide to doing this
[22:42] <Moonshine> so no one is here -.-
[22:43] <OttOmanTR> there is but not the ones you wanted
[22:44] <harrisr> i am here
[22:44] <OttOmanTR> harrisr:  are you one of the people he wanted :)
[22:45] <harrisr> nope
[22:47] <Moonshine> lol
[22:47] <Moonshine> >.>
[22:47] <Moonshine> Damn trolls
[22:47] <Moonshine> help meee
[22:47] <Moonshine> i'll give you a cookie
[22:58] <Moonshine> im ganna nerd rage =/
[22:58] <Moonshine> common someone help me, im like totally annoyed that i cant figure it out
[22:58] <Moonshine> im doing something wrong =/