| directhex | sounds like he'd be a great fit working for NetApp | 00:08 |
|---|---|---|
| daftykins | do they enjoy matchstick storage setups? | 00:12 |
| directhex | they enjoy piles of crazy disks | 00:12 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === LjL is now known as LjL-GoneToLondon | ||
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:15 |
| knightwise | morning | 07:41 |
| MooDoo | morning | 07:42 |
| knightwise | morning MooDoo | 08:02 |
| knightwise | how are you | 08:02 |
| MooDoo | knightwise: i'm ok thanks :) could do with more weekend :D | 08:04 |
| knightwise | me too | 08:10 |
| knightwise | been spending far too much time on my laptop this weekend | 08:11 |
| knightwise | Had an issue with my wifi on my ubuntu machine | 08:11 |
| knightwise | looks like one of the last driver updates gives it some trouble in playing nice with a mixed N/G network | 08:11 |
| knightwise | distro rolled to debian and mint , only to find the same problem :( | 08:11 |
| MooDoo | booo | 08:23 |
| knightwise | true . I am getting constant tcp retransmissions | 08:23 |
| knightwise | and i'm having zero issues with all the other machines on the network | 08:23 |
| knightwise | problem started appearing when I got my new router | 08:24 |
| knightwise | so its the combo new router/latest driver on ubuntu thats the culprit | 08:24 |
| popey | Good morning | 08:25 |
| knightwise | morning popey | 08:25 |
| Myrtti | popey: may I recommend - if you sprinkle salt on your poached/boiled eggs, get Herbamare from somewhere | 08:27 |
| popey | ooh, spooky. Just finished nomming poached eggs | 08:27 |
| popey | ooh, that looks tasty | 08:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | morning all | 08:28 |
| Myrtti | popey: it's not spooky as I'm myself still more or less on UK time and finished my staple breakfast myself just now | 08:28 |
| Myrtti | ;-) | 08:28 |
| Myrtti | just good timing | 08:28 |
| popey | ☻ | 08:28 |
| knightwise | anyone else have any experience with slow wifi on 13.10 if you use it in a combined G/N network ? | 08:29 |
| Myrtti | it's a supermarket essential over here but I had to order some from Amazon to have it in UK as I forgot to bring some over | 08:29 |
| Myrtti | holland and barretts might have it tho | 08:30 |
| popey | oh, amazon uk sell it | 08:30 |
| Myrtti | oh yes | 08:30 |
| popey | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bioforce-Herbamare-Herb-Salt-Pack-nom-nom-nom/dp/B009F7M3UE | 08:31 |
| Myrtti | I would order one smaller pot at first ;-) | 08:31 |
| Myrtti | unless you plan to bribe your relatives with it | 08:31 |
| popey | heh | 08:32 |
| Myrtti | yes it's expensive per weight if you buy a small pot but then you don't like it then you've saved money | 08:32 |
| Myrtti | now quite intrigued by the 'spicy' variant. | 08:33 |
| Myrtti | never tried | 08:33 |
| Myrtti | knightwise: I just have wifi and connection problems all the time with all my kit :-| | 08:33 |
| knightwise | yeah, but this is the first time i'm having serious issues | 08:34 |
| knightwise | the ubuntu machine gets tcp retransmissions and stuff | 08:34 |
| knightwise | while all the other hosts don't have any problem | 08:34 |
| popey | knightwise: intel wifi? | 08:35 |
| knightwise | yep | 08:36 |
| knightwise | its on a Lenovo Twist laptop | 08:36 |
| popey | known issue, disable N | 08:36 |
| knightwise | Disable N on the laptop or on the router , | 08:36 |
| popey | http://askubuntu.com/questions/119578/how-to-fix-slow-wireless-on-machines-with-intel-wireless-cards | 08:36 |
| popey | laptop | 08:36 |
| directhex | laptop | 08:36 |
| directhex | intel /o\ | 08:36 |
| popey | see the answer there at the top | 08:37 |
| directhex | this specific issue is why i cringe when people praise intel blindly | 08:37 |
| * knightwise wish he had known this before he nuked his entire machine | 08:37 | |
| directhex | well.actually.cat | 08:37 |
| knightwise | I gave debian a try over hte weekend , and after you do your upgrades .. same thing happens | 08:37 |
| popey | poke intel with a stick | 08:38 |
| knightwise | and when I had an apple airport extreme router .. no problems ... | 08:38 |
| popey | it's been broken for months | 08:38 |
| knightwise | popey: thanx for the tip | 08:38 |
| popey | np | 08:38 |
| popey | sorry it's not good news | 08:38 |
| knightwise | i'll probably reinstall my machine with Xubuntu or Lubuntu | 08:38 |
| knightwise | make it a little leaner | 08:38 |
| knightwise | at least now I know what to do | 08:38 |
| knightwise | funny think is , the intel card doesnt even see the N network | 08:39 |
| directhex | years. | 08:39 |
| knightwise | hmmmm. currently trying out mobaxterm on windows | 08:56 |
| knightwise | nice terminal app | 08:56 |
| knightwise | better then putty | 08:56 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Day Of Acceptance! :-D | 08:56 |
| knightwise | hey JamesTait | 08:57 |
| * DJones doesn't accept that its "Day of acceptance" | 09:00 | |
| JamesTait | Hey knightwise. :) | 09:00 |
| JamesTait | DJones, http://www.3elove.com/pages/idoa | 09:00 |
| JamesTait | It's on the internet, it must be true. ;) | 09:01 |
| JamesTait | It's also Penguin Appreciation Day, apparently. | 09:01 |
| diplo | Morning all | 09:02 |
| daubers | Morning | 09:33 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 09:34 |
| popey | yo | 09:37 |
| * popey is updating to trusty | 09:37 | |
| foobarry | crusty? | 09:38 |
| popey | fresh! | 09:38 |
| bigcalm | I hope to be starting with trusty on Wednesday | 09:41 |
| bigcalm | Oh, best send a tweet | 09:41 |
| bigcalm | (I took the weekend off) | 09:42 |
| AlanBell | popey: with or without xmir? | 09:42 |
| popey | I'm just upgrading at the moment | 09:42 |
| * daubers goes to steal a company credit card to book parking | 09:44 | |
| knightwise | popey: would it be advised to try the alpha of 14.04 ? | 09:51 |
| knightwise | for kinda daily use ? | 09:51 |
| knightwise | or does it fall down every time a flee sneezes | 09:52 |
| popey | well, I only just updated | 09:52 |
| Myrtti | /o\ I might have just recruited some knitters into cleaning and packing my apartment up for moving to UK. Payment in food, yarn and furniture | 09:52 |
| popey | oh, you're actually moving over here permanently? | 09:53 |
| Myrtti | landlord wants the apartment, makes no sense to start looking for a new place here | 09:53 |
| directhex | IMMIGRANTS! | 09:55 |
| directhex | HERE FOR OUR BENEFITS AND TEA! | 09:56 |
| daubers | WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE BISCUITS? | 09:56 |
| Myrtti | I was actually planning on paying taxes? | 09:56 |
| foobarry | radical | 10:04 |
| popey | bigcalm: what's with those spy camera tweets? | 10:12 |
| popey | i saw it the other day and then again a few days later and thought my twitter was broken | 10:12 |
| bigcalm | ;) | 10:12 |
| bigcalm | popey: google it :) | 10:13 |
| bigcalm | It's more amusing if you already know the reference | 10:13 |
| popey | oh, your laptop? | 10:14 |
| bigcalm | Yus | 10:15 |
| diplo | Anyone use a SVN gui in here like Tortoise on windows ? | 10:23 |
| diplo | If so, any recommendations | 10:23 |
| AlanBell | access #libertos list | 10:25 |
| AlanBell | fail | 10:25 |
| diplo | :D | 10:25 |
| foobarry | diplo: redmine? | 10:25 |
| Seeker` | AlanBell: your / key is staging a mutiny? | 10:25 |
| foobarry | although i don't know this windows you speak of | 10:25 |
| diplo | Sorry, meant local to OS.. svn log/st etc | 10:25 |
| AlanBell | Seeker`: finger trouble this morning ;) | 10:26 |
| diplo | Redmine is a web app task type thing isn't it | 10:26 |
| foobarry | yes | 10:26 |
| Myrtti | how bad is it on the scale from 0 to 10 that we started putting stuff related to the move to a Trello board? | 10:26 |
| AlanBell | diplo: yeah, with integration with various version control things | 10:26 |
| diplo | Yeah, this is for running on my PC. I like to use tortoise as quick way to scroll through logs on certain commits | 10:27 |
| diplo | Used Rabbit before but it seemed quite bugged | 10:27 |
| diplo | buggy* | 10:27 |
| diplo | http://rabbitvcs.org/ | 10:27 |
| AlanBell | Myrtti: not too bad, I would say about pi | 10:32 |
| foobarry | do they need to be named after animals? | 10:32 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: speaking of Pi. Any project updates? | 10:34 |
| jussi | hrm, what day is it today... Ive totally lost track... | 10:40 |
| AlanBell | bigcalm: yeah, I have a stack of pi devices arrived today :) | 10:40 |
| AlanBell | bigcalm: and I am preparing some other updates shortly | 10:41 |
| bigcalm | yay | 10:41 |
| foobarry | do i have to quit all libreoffice apps to get it to reload list of pritners? calc, impress, writer etc? | 10:44 |
| Seeker` | jussi: November 5th 1955 | 10:46 |
| jussi | /me smacks Seeker` | 10:47 |
| foobarry | it's $today | 10:47 |
| foobarry | `date` | 10:47 |
| jussi | Seeker`: my calendar says sunday, but that doesnt seem right. maybe the meds have really messed with my head... | 10:47 |
| Seeker` | jussi: its monday | 10:47 |
| foobarry | if irc is busy with talk of food and work, then its monday | 10:47 |
| jussi | foobarry: yeah, true tha | 10:48 |
| jussi | t | 10:48 |
| jussi | I guess this si the reason they made me sign a thing to not make any important decisions while on these meds. | 10:48 |
| Seeker` | what meds? | 10:48 |
| Seeker` | jussi: ^ | 10:50 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone | 10:51 |
| jussi | Seeker`: some opiate based stuff they have me on for pain relief after cutting the back of my throat out | 10:51 |
| jussi | morning brobostigon | 10:51 |
| Seeker` | sounds fun | 10:51 |
| brobostigon | morning jussi | 10:51 |
| Seeker` | which part of the back of your throat did they cut out? | 10:51 |
| jussi | Seeker`: anythign but. its a world of pain | 10:51 |
| jussi | Seeker`: in english? some part of the tonsils - the special ones at the back that have to do with swallowing | 10:52 |
| jussi | nielurisat (I think) in finnish | 10:52 |
| jussi | Myrtti: can probably translate better than I. | 10:52 |
| Seeker` | that just translates to tonsils according to google | 10:53 |
| foobarry | i just had a look in #ubuntu-fi | 10:55 |
| foobarry | is it mostly lurkers? | 10:56 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: no, the Finnish are a quiet people who don't talk much ;) | 10:56 |
| jussi | Seeker`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatine_tonsil | 10:57 |
| foobarry | thats why jussi and Myrtti don't even lurk in there? | 10:57 |
| Seeker` | jussi: ah, ok | 10:57 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 11:00 |
| brobostigon | morning davmor2 | 11:03 |
| * popey migrates laptop from ext4 to btrfs | 11:10 | |
| popey | \o/ | 11:10 |
| directhex | butterfs! | 11:13 |
| popey | ButterFuss! | 11:13 |
| foobarry | butterkist | 11:13 |
| Myrtti | foobarry: it's mainly support, the interesting discussions which rarely if ever happen, happen elsewhere | 11:15 |
| Myrtti | besides I don't really parcipate to any of their events of which I'm not sure they even have | 11:15 |
| Myrtti | no reason to stay - so I'm not there | 11:16 |
| daubers | popey: I built a btrfs array for home over the weekend | 11:23 |
| bashrc | nice | 11:23 |
| popey | ☻ | 11:23 |
| daubers | got it serving up roaming profiles to my windows machines as well using Samba4 as the domain controller | 11:23 |
| YaManicKill | Anyone have any experience with RAID usb devices that *aren't* drobos? I know drobos are brilliant and you'd all recommend them blah blah, but I don't have that kinda money just now :-P | 11:24 |
| daubers | need to get my linux machines authenticating to it and using it for home folders now | 11:24 |
| daubers | drobos suck | 11:24 |
| bashrc | I don't have any windows machines anymore | 11:24 |
| YaManicKill | daubers: well, that's one I've not heard before :-P | 11:24 |
| daubers | YaManicKill: Ask popey, he had much mirth with them :) | 11:25 |
| popey | well | 11:29 |
| popey | some mirth | 11:29 |
| popey | I wouldn't buy another one | 11:29 |
| Seeker` | popey: just out of interest, are there any pieces of paper in your house which aren't laminated right now? | 11:29 |
| popey | hah, some | 11:30 |
| Seeker` | popey: those are the sheets which are too large to fit in the laminator? | 11:31 |
| popey | indeed | 11:31 |
| davmor2 | popey: did you manage to get the house through the laminator in the end? | 11:31 |
| popey | ☻ | 11:32 |
| davmor2 | popey: you know the garden shed tends to just be 7 sheets of really thick paper like material right? | 11:33 |
| davmor2 | popey: trees are made of paper too so those can go through | 11:34 |
| daubers | popey: bonuspoints for laminating davmor2 | 11:34 |
| bigcalm | popey: btfs will work well on a single SSD in a laptop? | 11:34 |
| popey | bigcalm: why not? | 11:35 |
| YaManicKill | popey: is that drobos in general? or hardware RAID controllers overall? | 11:35 |
| bigcalm | popey: I have no idea, I'm asking you :) | 11:35 |
| daubers | YaManicKill: Drobo != RAID | 11:35 |
| popey | bigcalm: ext4 will work well on a single SSD in a laptop? | 11:35 |
| daubers | YaManicKill: Drop = some weird proprietary raid like thing | 11:35 |
| davmor2 | popey: does btrfs have the optimisations for ssd's | 11:36 |
| daubers | davmor2: Yes | 11:36 |
| popey | it knows what an SSD is | 11:36 |
| daubers | It supports TRIM and the like | 11:36 |
| davmor2 | daubers: thanks popey ;) I was assuming it would but thought I'd ask | 11:36 |
| directhex | the value of Dogecoin, buoyed by association with Jamaican bobsledders, combined with a 20M DOGE donation, means Jamaica should now have sufficient funding to send its 2-man bobsled team to the Sochi winter olympics | 11:36 |
| directhex | this is a real thing. | 11:36 |
| YaManicKill | daubers: oh reaaally. Now that I didn't know. | 11:37 |
| YaManicKill | That explains a lot, and makes my decision easier. | 11:37 |
| YaManicKill | Ok, well let me change my question...has anyone ever had any experience with hardware RAID controllers? I'm looking at buying one, and not sure what people think about them. | 11:38 |
| daubers | directhex: The future is weird | 11:38 |
| daubers | YaManicKill: Which brand/number of drives/Rreq'd RAID level? | 11:38 |
| davmor2 | daubers: of course the future is weird we are in control of it | 11:38 |
| directhex | daubers, yes | 11:38 |
| YaManicKill | daubers: brand of hdd or RAID controller? | 11:38 |
| daubers | YaManicKill: RAID controller | 11:39 |
| YaManicKill | daubers: sharkoon, initially looking at 3 drives in RAID5 but with ability to expand up to the 5 the controller I'm looking at supports, but I could live with 4 easily. | 11:39 |
| YaManicKill | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharkoon-5-Bay-Raid-Housing-inch-eSATA/dp/B004VJ4CSW/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=3DPPREXJEH156&coliid=I200GGSB0K5G74 | 11:39 |
| YaManicKill | that's the one I'm looking at | 11:39 |
| bigcalm | popey: sure, so the default of ext4 is fine. But you mentioned that you were using btfs on your laptop. I assume that the laptop is using an SSD | 11:39 |
| daubers | Ah, ok, no idea what controller that will have inside :) Probably LSI | 11:40 |
| * daubers only tends to deal in PCIe cards | 11:40 | |
| bigcalm | Morning davmor2, how's the new toy? | 11:40 |
| YaManicKill | oh right. Yeah, this is for a mpc | 11:40 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: very nice till they broke the universe :) | 11:41 |
| YaManicKill | they don't mention anywhere on amazon or their website what controller they use | 11:41 |
| popey | bigcalm: yes, ssd | 11:45 |
| bigcalm | directhex: the amount has dropped to $684 :| | 11:45 |
| bigcalm | popey: I know nothing of btfs. What would be the advantage of using it on a single drive over etx4? | 11:45 |
| directhex | bigcalm, withdrawl | 11:46 |
| popey | it has features ext4 doesn't have | 11:46 |
| bigcalm | directhex: ah | 11:46 |
| diddledan | mornign | 11:46 |
| popey | and i have room for two SSDs in my laptop, so I could do funky thinks like mirroring | 11:46 |
| directhex | http://dogechain.info/address/DCLmwBUiY9EE8ND6FYtDfbFsiQD8LAZvAZ | 11:47 |
| bigcalm | Ooo | 11:47 |
| directhex | popey, RAID0! | 11:47 |
| popey | tis quite fast rsyncing from one ssd to another | 11:49 |
| directhex | bigcalm, looks like most of the doge have been moved to http://dogechain.info/address/DDEgZ8YntMfbxjaYuem36xQCDAosyiaBfp | 11:50 |
| diddledan | wtf is a doge? | 11:54 |
| YaManicKill | dogecoin | 11:54 |
| YaManicKill | or doge themsevles? | 11:54 |
| diddledan | (I know of the doge meme, but that doesn't make sense with this) | 11:54 |
| YaManicKill | It's just a new cryptocurrency with lots of doges everywhere. | 11:54 |
| YaManicKill | Think bitcoin, but with everyone thinking doge is funny every second of every day | 11:55 |
| diddledan | huh? | 11:55 |
| YaManicKill | Do you know bitcoin? | 11:55 |
| diddledan | yeah, I know bitcoin - I'm failing to understand the link with a popculture meme | 12:05 |
| YaManicKill | The link is "We like doge, we like cryptocurrency, let's make a cryptocurrency with doge memes". | 12:06 |
| YaManicKill | It's got nothing on a technical level to do with it. | 12:06 |
| YaManicKill | They just put the meme everywhere on it. | 12:06 |
| YaManicKill | Stop trying to understand it. Just...accept it. | 12:07 |
| diddledan | ok, so it's called doge - has it been vetted like bitcoin has on an academic level to prove that it's impossible to just "invent" "coins"? | 12:09 |
| diddledan | .. and therefore that the inventors of the currency can't devalue your stock | 12:10 |
| YaManicKill | It uses lightcoin technology, so it depends on that one. | 12:12 |
| YaManicKill | As for your question, no idea. | 12:12 |
| diddledan | I don't get the point of cloning other currencies with a different key and claiming it's new and better | 12:12 |
| diddledan | it everyone clones everyone else then there'll be thousands of currencies all with next-to-no intrinsic value | 12:13 |
| YaManicKill | Yup. | 12:13 |
| diddledan | the reason bitcoin has value is because people want it | 12:13 |
| foobarry | just like beanie babies | 12:14 |
| YaManicKill | Wow, 1990s flashback. | 12:14 |
| diddledan | so it brings me back to "what's the point of dogecoin?" | 12:14 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: I think you are over thinking it, Why do people climb mountains, pot hole, swim the channel. Cause it is there! why do people make there own version of a currency cause it's there and they think they can get rich quick. ;) | 12:15 |
| Myrtti | oh dear crikey let all the cryptocurrencies burrrrnnnnnnnnn | 12:15 |
| foobarry | diddledan: a speculators tool | 12:15 |
| foobarry | like shares in china.com or whatever vacuous things people bought shares in during the .com bubble | 12:16 |
| foobarry | pasta ready-meal is creamy and contains nutmeg..tastes suspiciously like rice pudding which is a dessert. my mouth is confused | 12:20 |
| diddledan | lol | 12:20 |
| diddledan | maybe it _is_ rice pudding?! | 12:21 |
| foobarry | because it also has bacon | 12:21 |
| diddledan | just in a different pot | 12:21 |
| diddledan | and with bacon | 12:21 |
| diddledan | wtf?! | 12:21 |
| foobarry | my mum used to make vermicelli pud like this | 12:21 |
| Myrtti | the concept of pudding/dessert is sometimes so confusing | 12:24 |
| Myrtti | in Finland rice pudding/barley pudding is tranlated into porridge. Rice porridge, barley porridge. It doesn't necessarily have a dessert connotation - so having barley porridge as a school lunch was a normal thing to occur once a month | 12:26 |
| foobarry | usually for me, bacon = main course, sweet stuff = dessert | 12:27 |
| foobarry | except breakfast, which is often sweet | 12:28 |
| Myrtti | sure, but Finns usually put a tiny bit of salt into rice porridge - it doesn't still mean that it can't be served as a dessert | 12:28 |
| popey | smells like lunchtime | 12:32 |
| * popey looks for recipes for what to do with belly pork | 12:32 | |
| bigcalm | popey: hog roast! | 12:32 |
| popey | yeah, i think so | 12:32 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: don't the finns add salt to everything? ;) | 12:33 |
| bigcalm | I can't believe that we ate a whole pig | 12:33 |
| popey | i can ☻ | 12:33 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I wouldn't put anything past you :P | 12:33 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: It wasn't just me, popey helped | 12:34 |
| popey | http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/oct/11/nigel-slater-recipes-pork-belly | 12:34 |
| popey | gonna go for the first one in that list and roast it slowly | 12:34 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: oh well easy then :) | 12:34 |
| bigcalm | Oh, I think we have some ribs in the freezer. Might have them later in the week | 12:35 |
| diddledan | pig sounds tasty | 12:35 |
| davmor2 | spiderpig | 12:35 |
| bigcalm | Not nice thought | 12:36 |
| diddledan | I wonder how long it'll be before chickens are crossed with spiders to get extra drumsticks | 12:36 |
| diddledan | and then the chickens will probably take over the world but that's another story | 12:37 |
| foobarry | or octopi | 12:37 |
| AlanBell | yay, spider chickens \o/ | 12:37 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=714-Ioa4XQw | 12:37 |
| diddledan | I for one welcome our new overlords | 12:38 |
| bigcalm | Time for me to leave IRC alone for a while | 12:38 |
| foobarry | married women lusting after gary barlow on my facebook feed :S | 12:39 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: that was my reference for spiderpig :) | 12:39 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I know the video without looking at it. I just don't want to think about cooking and eating a pig that's part spider. Now I feel rather sick | 12:40 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: wuss insects are the food of the future did you not see QI | 12:41 |
| foobarry | my sister called from surrey with a laptop problem. ascertained that the backlight had gone, she shone a torch on the screen to see stuff :D | 12:41 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Arachnids too | 12:41 |
| * bigcalm hugs the /clear command | 12:47 | |
| diddledan | think how mary jane feels about kissing spiderman?! </troll> | 12:53 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: spiderman is a troll what films and comics have you been looking at? | 12:54 |
| diddledan | I thought spiderman was a spider.. man | 12:55 |
| foobarry | used the wrong gateway ip while in the server room while setting up drac :( have to go back to fix before i can see the servers | 13:10 |
| foobarry | stoopid non standard default gateway addresses | 13:10 |
| diddledan | fudge | 13:10 |
| diddledan | crickets! | 13:10 |
| foobarry | numpties | 13:11 |
| knightwise | aha , it appears the new version of Geary supports attaching files :) | 13:35 |
| knightwise | nice | 13:35 |
| directhex | it's the future! | 13:38 |
| knightwise | lol :) | 13:39 |
| knightwise | its a nice looking mail all | 13:39 |
| knightwise | app | 13:39 |
| directhex | wake me when it has caldav and ldap address books | 13:39 |
| BigRedS | I just want it to support multiple accounts | 13:43 |
| knightwise | true , that would be nice | 13:43 |
| BigRedS | caldav, address books would be *nice* but that seems to be to be a fairly necessary feature | 13:43 |
| DJones | I thought geary did support multiple accounts | 13:43 |
| knightwise | I thought it did came with a link to your address book ? | 13:43 |
| BigRedS | I'd have at least tried it by now if it could do that | 13:43 |
| knightwise | i like this interface though | 13:44 |
| knightwise | makes thunderbird look cluttered | 13:44 |
| popey | any UI is uncluttered when it's not finished | 13:44 |
| knightwise | true | 13:45 |
| knightwise | well .. at least its better then evolution | 13:45 |
| BigRedS | I'm not so concerned about thunderbird's clutteredness as I am its apparent need for half my ram | 13:47 |
| BigRedS | and the way that every GUI mail client seems to not bother checking folders until I click on them | 13:47 |
| === jpds_ is now known as jpds | ||
| diddledan | thunderbird is indeed memory hungry. it can bring even the mightiest of beasts to their knees | 14:23 |
| diddledan | like david and his adversary goliath | 14:24 |
| diddledan | only david is the bad guy in this tale, and goliath is us. | 14:24 |
| diddledan | wtf? maplin email today: "USD GPS Dongle with SiRF Star III GPS chipset. compatible with windows, macintosh and linux redhat 7.3" | 14:29 |
| diddledan | 7.3 is from way back in 1999 | 14:30 |
| diddledan | afaicr | 14:30 |
| popey | \o/ migration to btrfs complete | 14:32 |
| diddledan | popey: that on your nas or your desktop? | 14:32 |
| popey | laptop | 14:32 |
| popey | alan@deep-thought:~$ mount | grep btrfs | 14:32 |
| popey | /dev/sdb1 on / type btrfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime) | 14:32 |
| popey | /dev/sda1 on /home type btrfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime) | 14:32 |
| popey | \o/ | 14:32 |
| diddledan | meh, laptop/dekstop :-p | 14:32 |
| diddledan | well done :-) | 14:33 |
| popey | alan@deep-thought:~$ df -h | grep sd | 14:33 |
| popey | /dev/sdb1 231G 164G 65G 72% / | 14:33 |
| popey | /dev/sda1 224G 138G 85G 62% /home | 14:33 |
| popey | \o/ | 14:33 |
| popey | need to remove my old home from / | 14:33 |
| popey | /dev/sdb1 231G 27G 202G 12% / | 14:35 |
| popey | \o/ much better | 14:35 |
| foobarry | strawberry licorice. nom | 14:39 |
| foobarry | i wonder if there's a .nom TLD | 15:00 |
| daubers | Airports are boring | 15:09 |
| Seeker` | daubers: which airport? | 15:10 |
| foobarry | all | 15:10 |
| Seeker` | Heathrow need to use higher resolition shadow maps for their planes | 15:11 |
| Seeker` | https://twitter.com/Simon_Fe1/status/362250251022778371/photo/1 | 15:11 |
| MartijnVdS | Seeker`: 8-) | 15:12 |
| daubers | Seeker`: Heathrow T5 | 15:12 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: airports are fascinating. As long as you're just passing through on your commute ;) | 15:12 |
| Seeker` | MartijnVdS: I pointed that out to Simon_Fe on the way to LA :D | 15:13 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: my bus goes via Schiphol airport | 15:13 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: This kinda is a commute, off to Zurich for work for a couple of days | 15:13 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: sure but not a daily one | 15:14 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: Nah, a daily air commute would kill me | 15:15 |
| * MartijnVdS actually considered a 4 days London/3 days Netherlands ("home") job once. Decided I'd probably go crazy instead :) | 15:16 | |
| daubers | Urgh | 15:16 |
| * Seeker` imagines a Mrs Doubtfire type situation | 15:16 | |
| MartijnVdS | Seeker`: not THAT kind of job.. | 15:16 |
| Seeker` | MartijnVdS: I meant the scene where he is running between a friend and the someonee else and forgets who is meant to be at which table | 15:17 |
| MartijnVdS | Seeker`: Yes, that sort of thing is why I didn't take it ;) | 15:18 |
| === matthew_ is now known as Guest24851 | ||
| foobarry | .tattoo seems to be the most expensive TLD | 15:22 |
| foobarry | £200/year | 15:22 |
| Guest24851 | Hi, a drive area which I partitioned won't mount, anyone know about this sort of thing? | 15:23 |
| Guest24851 | I got this error message - | 15:23 |
| Guest24851 | Error mounting system-managed device /dev/sda7: Command-line `mount "/mnt/d456c373-1d42-4b00-b9a3-1aad4f465d32"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda7, | 15:23 |
| Guest24851 | missing codepage or helper program, or other error | 15:23 |
| Guest24851 | In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try | 15:23 |
| Guest24851 | dmesg | tail or so | 15:23 |
| foobarry | "A leading bookmaker has suspended betting on the Queen announcing her abdication by the end of the year after a large gamble was placed in the Windsor area." | 15:44 |
| foobarry | harry? | 15:44 |
| foobarry | charlie? | 15:45 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: phil? | 15:48 |
| foobarry | philly? has one been to the bookies again? | 15:48 |
| DJones | Nah, Camilla | 15:49 |
| MartijnVdS | I wonder how many people bet on the day before (or the day after) she reaches "longest reigning monarch" | 15:51 |
| YaManicKill | ha | 15:59 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea | ||
| foobarry | nfs server has iowait , how to determine the busy user? | 16:05 |
| popey | foobarry: iotop? | 16:08 |
| popey | sudo iotop -o | 16:09 |
| foobarry | shows nfsd processes.. | 16:13 |
| foobarry | i could follow via netstat -p | 16:13 |
| foobarry | nope | 16:13 |
| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g | ||
| bigcalm | #ubuntu-uk has contempt, but for what? | 17:28 |
| directhex | court | 17:28 |
| Laney | due process | 17:30 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: people asking what we have contempt for? | 17:32 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| bubu | Hey guys, I think a package is pulling in ruby1.8, and I would like to know which package this is. It's being installed and update-alternatives is updating to point to it instead of ruby 2. | 18:59 |
| bubu | ~$ apt-cache rdepends ruby1.8 --installed | 18:59 |
| bubu | ruby1.8 | 18:59 |
| bubu | Reverse Depends: | 18:59 |
| bubu | |passenger-dev | 18:59 |
| bubu | |passenger | 18:59 |
| bubu | |crash-watch | 18:59 |
| bubu | but I have other nodes with passenger on that haven't pulled in ruby1.8 .... | 19:00 |
| * bubu scratches head | 19:00 | |
| popey | bubu: try "aptitude why ruby1.8" | 19:02 |
| bubu | popey: i A passenger Depends ruby2.0 | ruby1.9.1 | ruby1.8 | ruby-interpreter | 19:02 |
| bubu | but that doesn't make sense to me, I have passenger on another node, and that hasn't had ruby1.8 installed on it.. | 19:03 |
| popey | rubygems wants it here | 19:03 |
| bubu | huh? | 19:03 |
| popey | i am on 14.04 tho | 19:04 |
| bubu | am 12.04 | 19:04 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| shauno | bubu: on a fresh 12.04 (well, Vagrant, anyway), ruby points to 1.8. is there a chance you installed ruby 2 on the other node? | 19:31 |
| bubu | nope | 19:32 |
| bubu | josh@ci4:~$ dpkg -l | grep ruby | 19:32 |
| bubu | ii libruby1.9.1 1.9.3.0-1ubuntu2.8 Libraries necessary to run Ruby 1.9.1 | 19:32 |
| bubu | ii ruby-2.0.0-p353 2.0.0-p353 no description given | 19:32 |
| bubu | ii ruby-daemon-controller 1.1.8-1~precise1 Library for robust daemon management | 19:32 |
| bubu | ii ruby-rack 1.3.5-1 Modular Ruby webserver interface | 19:32 |
| bubu | ii ruby1.9.1 1.9.3.0-1ubuntu2.8 Interpreter of object-oriented scripting lang | 19:32 |
| bubu | looks like texlive-full installs ruby1.8 ... | 19:33 |
| shauno | this is what I have on a fresh image of precise-cloud; http://paste.ubuntu.com/6787672/ | 19:34 |
| shauno | so I guess my question isn't why this machine is installing 1.8, but why the other machine has 2 | 19:35 |
| bubu | shauno: thanks but its not a fresh install | 19:36 |
| bubu | looks like texlive-full installs ruby1.8 | 19:36 |
| bubu | I'm using chef, so chef runs, installs ruby 2, updates alternatives etc. then libtex-full is installed which pulls in ruby1.8 which updates-alternatives again to be helpful | 19:39 |
| bubu | is there a way to install a package like texlive-full, but not install the ruby 1.8 it then tries to install? | 19:41 |
| BigRedS | presumably texlive-full depends on ruby 1.8? | 19:46 |
| BigRedS | oh, it's a metapackage. Well, you could install all of its dependencies bar those which depend on ruby1.8 | 19:47 |
| bubu | BigRedS: How can I do that? | 19:49 |
| bubu | I could apt-get download textlive-full and then force install that deb file using dpkg but that feels nasty and possibly broken | 19:50 |
| BigRedS | you could look at the depends list and install all of it that doesn't pull in ruby1.8 | 19:55 |
| BigRedS | I think there's a way to blacklist a package but I can't remember | 19:55 |
| BigRedS | so you don't accidentally install it | 19:56 |
| bubu | --ignore-depends ? | 19:56 |
| SuperMatt | Hi | 19:56 |
| === SuperMatt is now known as RaxMatt | ||
| BigRedS | if you put ruby1.8 on hold then you'll need to do a force to make it install | 19:56 |
| BigRedS | and then you can safely go through all the texlive depends installing them; any that rely on ruby1.8 will fail | 19:57 |
| BigRedS | no, ignore depends will just install stuff without making sure it's got what it needs in order to run | 19:57 |
| bubu | I'm pretty sure it just needs ruby, but installs ruby1.8 | 19:58 |
| bubu | I have ruby 2 installed as system ruby so it should be ok... | 19:58 |
| BigRedS | yeah, ruby irritates the crap out of me so I tend to not install things that depend on it | 20:00 |
| BigRedS | but if whatever it is depends on just "ruby" then I'd not expect anything to try to install ruby1.8 | 20:00 |
| bubu | I'm using backports so it's http://ppa.launchpad.net/texlive-backports/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages | 20:00 |
| BigRedS | and I'd be surprised to find something that works in ruby 1.8 also work in 2.0 | 20:00 |
| bubu | aye, big change | 20:01 |
| BigRedS | but, yeah, all of that does just appear to depend on ruby | 20:01 |
| BigRedS | maybe try putting ruby1.8 on hold and then installing the package | 20:02 |
| bubu | can't see anything specific to ruby1.8 libs in there | 20:02 |
| BigRedS | at worst, that way you'll probably see what it is that's causing dpkg to want ruby1.8 | 20:02 |
| bubu | textlive wants to install context context-modules ruby ruby1.8 texlife-full, looks like it's context which wants ruby | 20:07 |
| * MartijnVdS pokes his Pi | 20:29 | |
| diddledan | shauno: you about? | 20:40 |
| shauno | in theory | 20:40 |
| diddledan | lol | 20:40 |
| diddledan | I got a question - my UPS is on 12% load and it just tried to do a self test but when it finished it said "refused" | 20:41 |
| shauno | not entirely sober, so if I go quiet, it's in everyone's best interest | 20:41 |
| diddledan | any idea what was refused and why? | 20:41 |
| shauno | sorry, I don't do soho, call back in office hours :) | 20:41 |
| diddledan | lol | 20:41 |
| diddledan | fair enough | 20:41 |
| shauno | either battery age/condition/lame, or it's not happy with the input power, I'd assume | 20:42 |
| diddledan | hmm, input voltage _is_ quite high at 246.19 | 20:43 |
| shauno | generally you won't attempt a self-test if you're not fully charged, if it's not convinced it can run the battery down 20% without falling over, or if the input is out of range so there's no plan B | 20:43 |
| shauno | that said, I'm not sure if soho units bother with 'plan B'. I don't normally deal with anything under 80kW, so the little boxes are a little odd to me | 20:46 |
| diddledan | I'm wondering if I can suck any log info off it | 20:47 |
| shauno | what is it ? | 20:51 |
| diddledan | smart-ups 750 | 20:51 |
| MartijnVdS | pronounced "Smart-OOPS" | 20:51 |
| shauno | I'm gonna stick to my alcohol story :) you can send it some pretty basic commands over serial, but it's a (very) messy protocol that I wouldn't feel comfortable ad-libbing | 20:58 |
| shauno | (google will call it either "apc smart protocol" or "apc link language" though) | 20:58 |
| shauno | it's not the most fun you've ever had though. most likely the closest you'd be able to get is to command a runtime callibration and look up the letter it gives you when it refuses | 21:04 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: I'm nicking that pronounciation | 21:22 |
| MartijnVdS | ... Raspberry Pi only had 1GB (of 16) for / | 21:29 |
| shauno | resize2fs? | 21:32 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: yeah, the did the trick | 21:32 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: but getting a "Disk full" error during apt-get is annyoing :) | 21:32 |
| MartijnVdS | annoying, too | 21:32 |
| shauno | if you like pain, try running java apps on it :) | 21:33 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: I'm going to run a tiny "Google Cloud Print" connector daemon on it | 21:33 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: so I don't have to configure Chrome to do that.. because that breaks Chrome for some reason | 21:33 |
| MartijnVdS | ("Could not load your profile") | 21:33 |
| shauno | I've been trying to run a java app that was originally distributed on a 700MHz VIA /w 256MB | 21:34 |
| shauno | was honestly suprised how much worse the pi performs | 21:34 |
| diddledan__ | shauno: I think that's probably due to evolution of java rather than badness of the pi | 21:35 |
| MartijnVdS | the pi's CPU is *slow* | 21:35 |
| shauno | it is. a whole lot slower than the clock count betrays. | 21:36 |
| diddledan__ | I suppose part of that is no instruction reordering | 21:36 |
| shauno | we have an app that used to be distributed on hardware. but the HW is all dying. I thought the pi might be a cheap way to keep it alive. I was wrong. | 21:38 |
| shauno | instead I'm distributing instructions on replacing the HDD with a CF card, because the pathetic cooling killing the HDD is the #1 killer, and the mobo it uses happens to have a CF carrier on the underside | 21:39 |
| zleap | isn't there a beagle board or beagle bone that is better spec than the pi, and can run ubuntu | 21:39 |
| zleap | maybe something like that would work | 21:39 |
| MartijnVdS | or a NUC | 21:40 |
| shauno | it doesn't need to be ubuntu, the original is so old it's using RH pre-RHEL as a platform :) | 21:41 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| ali1234 | how do you disable upstart services? | 23:09 |
| shauno | as far as I can tell, you uninstall them | 23:19 |
| ali1234 | the linux software for leap motion runs a leapd as root with upstart - it's a system service that runs all the time | 23:20 |
| shauno | I may be wrong, I often am; but it appears to be built around the ethos of "if you don't want it running, why did you install it" | 23:20 |
| ali1234 | it runs the monitoring code constantly, so if you wave your hands near your computer -> 100% cpu use | 23:20 |
| ali1234 | the daemon doesn't even need to run as root, it runs perfectly fine as a user | 23:20 |
| ali1234 | but more to the point there is absolutely no reason for it to run constantly in the first place | 23:21 |
| ali1234 | i just deleted /etc/init.d/leapd - that seems to have got rid of it | 23:22 |
| diddledan__ | that isn't upstart then | 23:26 |
| diddledan__ | upstart jobs are in /etc/init/ | 23:26 |
| ali1234 | diddledan__: /lib/init/upstart-job - read it | 23:34 |
| diddledan__ | ali1234: your point being? | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | my point being you're completely wrong :) | 23:35 |
| diddledan__ | ali1234: that is a wrapper which gets called on upstart jobs that ALSO have an init.d script to maintain backwards compatibility | 23:35 |
| diddledan__ | upstart stores it's jobs in /etc/init - anything in /etc/init.d related to an upstart job is backwards compatibility only | 23:36 |
| diddledan__ | removing the job from /etc/init will disable it whereas removing the job from /etc/init.d MAY NOT | 23:36 |
| diddledan__ | as a test, remove /etc/init.d/cron and then issue `restart cron` - the job will still start and stop even though you've removed the init.d script because that is JUST a backwards compatibility thing | 23:39 |
| === JamesTait is now known as Guest59494 | ||
| BigRedS | to answer the more original question, I comment-out the entirety of their file in /etc/init/ | 23:51 |
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