[00:08] <directhex> sounds like he'd be a great fit working for NetApp
[00:12] <daftykins> do they enjoy matchstick storage setups?
[00:12] <directhex> they enjoy piles of crazy disks
[07:15] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:41] <knightwise> morning
[07:42] <MooDoo> morning
[08:02] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[08:02] <knightwise> how are you
[08:04] <MooDoo> knightwise: i'm ok thanks :) could do with more weekend :D
[08:10] <knightwise> me too
[08:11] <knightwise> been spending far too much time on my laptop this weekend
[08:11] <knightwise> Had an issue with my wifi on my ubuntu machine
[08:11] <knightwise> looks like one of the last driver updates gives it some trouble in playing nice with a mixed N/G network
[08:11] <knightwise> distro rolled to debian and mint , only to find the same problem :(
[08:23] <MooDoo> booo
[08:23] <knightwise> true . I am getting constant tcp retransmissions
[08:23] <knightwise> and i'm having zero issues with all the other machines on the network
[08:24] <knightwise> problem started appearing when I got my new router
[08:24] <knightwise> so its the combo new router/latest driver on ubuntu thats the culprit
[08:25] <popey> Good morning
[08:25] <knightwise> morning popey
[08:27] <Myrtti> popey: may I recommend - if you sprinkle salt on your poached/boiled eggs, get Herbamare from somewhere
[08:27] <popey> ooh, spooky. Just finished nomming poached eggs
[08:27] <popey> ooh, that looks tasty
[08:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all
[08:28] <Myrtti> popey: it's not spooky as I'm myself still more or less on UK time and finished my staple breakfast myself just now
[08:28] <Myrtti> ;-)
[08:28] <Myrtti> just good timing
[08:28] <popey> ☻
[08:29] <knightwise> anyone else have any experience with slow wifi on 13.10 if you use it in a combined G/N network ?
[08:29] <Myrtti> it's a supermarket essential over here but I had to order some from Amazon to have it in UK as I forgot to bring some over
[08:30] <Myrtti> holland and barretts might have it tho
[08:30] <popey> oh, amazon uk sell it
[08:30] <Myrtti> oh yes
[08:31] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bioforce-Herbamare-Herb-Salt-Pack-nom-nom-nom/dp/B009F7M3UE
[08:31] <Myrtti> I would order one smaller pot at first ;-)
[08:31] <Myrtti> unless you plan to bribe your relatives with it
[08:32] <popey> heh
[08:32] <Myrtti> yes it's expensive per weight if you buy a small pot but then you don't like it then you've saved money
[08:33] <Myrtti> now quite intrigued by the 'spicy' variant.
[08:33] <Myrtti> never tried
[08:33] <Myrtti> knightwise: I just have wifi and connection problems all the time with all my kit :-|
[08:34] <knightwise> yeah, but this is the first time i'm having serious issues
[08:34] <knightwise> the ubuntu machine gets tcp retransmissions and stuff
[08:34] <knightwise> while all the other hosts don't have any problem
[08:35] <popey> knightwise: intel wifi?
[08:36] <knightwise> yep
[08:36] <knightwise> its on a Lenovo Twist laptop
[08:36] <popey> known issue, disable N
[08:36] <knightwise> Disable N on the laptop or on the router ,
[08:36] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/119578/how-to-fix-slow-wireless-on-machines-with-intel-wireless-cards
[08:36] <popey> laptop
[08:36] <directhex> laptop
[08:36] <directhex> intel /o\
[08:37] <popey> see the answer there at the top
[08:37] <directhex> this specific issue is why i cringe when people praise intel blindly
[08:37]  * knightwise wish he had known this before he nuked his entire machine
[08:37] <directhex> well.actually.cat
[08:37] <knightwise> I gave debian a try over hte weekend , and after you do your upgrades .. same thing happens
[08:38] <popey> poke intel with a stick
[08:38] <knightwise> and when I had an apple airport extreme router .. no problems ...
[08:38] <popey> it's been broken for months
[08:38] <knightwise> popey: thanx for the tip
[08:38] <popey> np
[08:38] <popey> sorry it's not good news
[08:38] <knightwise> i'll probably reinstall my machine with Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[08:38] <knightwise> make it a little leaner
[08:38] <knightwise> at least now I know what to do
[08:39] <knightwise> funny think is , the intel card doesnt even see the N network
[08:39] <directhex> years.
[08:56] <knightwise> hmmmm. currently trying out mobaxterm on windows
[08:56] <knightwise> nice terminal app
[08:56] <knightwise> better then putty
[08:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Day Of Acceptance! :-D
[08:57] <knightwise> hey JamesTait
[09:00]  * DJones doesn't accept that its "Day of acceptance"
[09:00] <JamesTait> Hey knightwise. :)
[09:00] <JamesTait> DJones, http://www.3elove.com/pages/idoa
[09:01] <JamesTait> It's on the internet, it must be true. ;)
[09:01] <JamesTait> It's also Penguin Appreciation Day, apparently.
[09:02] <diplo> Morning all
[09:33] <daubers> Morning
[09:34] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:37] <popey> yo
[09:37]  * popey is updating to trusty
[09:38] <foobarry> crusty?
[09:38] <popey> fresh!
[09:41] <bigcalm> I hope to be starting with trusty on Wednesday
[09:41] <bigcalm> Oh, best send a tweet
[09:42] <bigcalm> (I took the weekend off)
[09:42] <AlanBell> popey: with or without xmir?
[09:42] <popey> I'm just upgrading at the moment
[09:44]  * daubers goes to steal a company credit card to book parking
[09:51] <knightwise> popey: would it be advised to try the alpha of 14.04 ?
[09:51] <knightwise> for kinda daily use ?
[09:52] <knightwise> or does it fall down every time a flee sneezes
[09:52] <popey> well, I only just updated
[09:52] <Myrtti> /o\ I might have just recruited some knitters into cleaning and packing my apartment up for moving to UK. Payment in food, yarn and furniture
[09:53] <popey> oh, you're actually moving over here permanently?
[09:53] <Myrtti> landlord wants the apartment, makes no sense to start looking for a new place here
[09:55] <directhex> IMMIGRANTS!
[09:56] <directhex> HERE FOR OUR BENEFITS AND TEA!
[09:56] <daubers> WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE BISCUITS?
[09:56] <Myrtti> I was actually planning on paying taxes?
[10:04] <foobarry> radical
[10:12] <popey> bigcalm: what's with those spy camera tweets?
[10:12] <popey> i saw it the other day and then again a few days later and thought my twitter was broken
[10:12] <bigcalm> ;)
[10:13] <bigcalm> popey: google it :)
[10:13] <bigcalm> It's more amusing if you already know the reference
[10:14] <popey> oh, your laptop?
[10:15] <bigcalm> Yus
[10:23] <diplo> Anyone use a SVN gui in here like Tortoise on windows ?
[10:23] <diplo> If so, any recommendations
[10:25] <AlanBell> access #libertos list
[10:25] <AlanBell> fail
[10:25] <diplo> :D
[10:25] <foobarry> diplo: redmine?
[10:25] <Seeker`> AlanBell: your / key is staging a mutiny?
[10:25] <foobarry> although i don't know this windows you speak of
[10:25] <diplo> Sorry, meant local to OS.. svn log/st etc
[10:26] <AlanBell> Seeker`: finger trouble this morning ;)
[10:26] <diplo> Redmine is a web app task type thing isn't it
[10:26] <foobarry> yes
[10:26] <Myrtti> how bad is it on the scale from 0 to 10 that we started putting stuff related to the move to a Trello board?
[10:26] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, with integration with various version control things
[10:27] <diplo> Yeah, this is for running on my PC. I like to use tortoise as quick way to scroll through logs on certain commits
[10:27] <diplo> Used Rabbit before but it seemed quite bugged
[10:27] <diplo> buggy*
[10:27] <diplo> http://rabbitvcs.org/
[10:32] <AlanBell> Myrtti: not too bad, I would say about pi
[10:32] <foobarry> do they need to be named after animals?
[10:34] <bigcalm> AlanBell: speaking of Pi. Any project updates?
[10:40] <jussi> hrm, what day is it today... Ive totally lost track...
[10:40] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yeah, I have a stack of pi devices arrived today :)
[10:41] <AlanBell> bigcalm: and I am preparing some other updates shortly
[10:41] <bigcalm> yay
[10:44] <foobarry> do i have to quit all libreoffice apps to get it to reload list of pritners? calc, impress, writer etc?
[10:46] <Seeker`> jussi: November 5th 1955
[10:47] <jussi>  /me smacks Seeker`
[10:47] <foobarry> it's $today
[10:47] <foobarry> `date`
[10:47] <jussi> Seeker`: my calendar says sunday, but that doesnt seem right. maybe the meds have really messed with my head...
[10:47] <Seeker`> jussi: its monday
[10:47] <foobarry> if irc is busy with talk of food and work, then its monday
[10:48] <jussi> foobarry: yeah, true tha
[10:48] <jussi> t
[10:48] <jussi> I guess this si the reason they made me sign a thing to not make any important decisions while on these meds.
[10:48] <Seeker`> what meds?
[10:50] <Seeker`> jussi: ^
[10:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[10:51] <jussi> Seeker`: some opiate based stuff they have me on for pain relief after cutting the back of my throat out
[10:51] <jussi> morning brobostigon
[10:51] <Seeker`> sounds fun
[10:51] <brobostigon> morning jussi
[10:51] <Seeker`> which part of the back of your throat did they cut out?
[10:51] <jussi> Seeker`: anythign but. its a world of pain
[10:52] <jussi> Seeker`: in english? some part of the tonsils - the special ones at the back that have to do with swallowing
[10:52] <jussi> nielurisat (I think) in finnish
[10:52] <jussi> Myrtti: can probably translate better than I.
[10:53] <Seeker`> that just translates to tonsils according to google
[10:55] <foobarry> i just had a look in #ubuntu-fi
[10:56] <foobarry> is it mostly lurkers?
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: no, the Finnish are a quiet people who don't talk much ;)
[10:57] <jussi> Seeker`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatine_tonsil
[10:57] <foobarry> thats why jussi and Myrtti don't even lurk in there?
[10:57] <Seeker`> jussi: ah, ok
[11:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:03] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[11:10]  * popey migrates laptop from ext4 to btrfs
[11:10] <popey> \o/
[11:13] <directhex> butterfs!
[11:13] <popey> ButterFuss!
[11:13] <foobarry> butterkist
[11:15] <Myrtti> foobarry: it's mainly support, the interesting discussions which rarely if ever happen, happen elsewhere
[11:15] <Myrtti> besides I don't really parcipate to any of their events of which I'm not sure they even have
[11:16] <Myrtti> no reason to stay - so I'm not there
[11:23] <daubers> popey: I built a btrfs array for home over the weekend
[11:23] <bashrc> nice
[11:23] <popey> ☻
[11:23] <daubers> got it serving up roaming profiles to my windows machines as well using Samba4 as the domain controller
[11:24] <YaManicKill> Anyone have any experience with RAID usb devices that *aren't* drobos? I know drobos are brilliant and you'd all recommend them blah blah, but I don't have that kinda money just now :-P
[11:24] <daubers> need to get my linux machines authenticating to it and using it for home folders now
[11:24] <daubers> drobos suck
[11:24] <bashrc> I don't have any windows machines anymore
[11:24] <YaManicKill> daubers: well, that's one I've not heard before :-P
[11:25] <daubers> YaManicKill: Ask popey, he had much mirth with them :)
[11:29] <popey> well
[11:29] <popey> some mirth
[11:29] <popey> I wouldn't buy another one
[11:29] <Seeker`> popey: just out of interest, are there any pieces of paper in your house which aren't laminated right now?
[11:30] <popey> hah, some
[11:31] <Seeker`> popey: those are the sheets which are too large to fit in the laminator?
[11:31] <popey> indeed
[11:31] <davmor2> popey: did you manage to get the house through the laminator in the end?
[11:32] <popey> ☻
[11:33] <davmor2> popey: you know the garden shed tends to just be 7 sheets of really thick paper like material right?
[11:34] <davmor2> popey: trees are made of paper too so those can go through
[11:34] <daubers> popey: bonuspoints for laminating davmor2
[11:34] <bigcalm> popey: btfs will work well on a single SSD in a laptop?
[11:35] <popey> bigcalm: why not?
[11:35] <YaManicKill> popey: is that drobos in general? or hardware RAID controllers overall?
[11:35] <bigcalm> popey: I have no idea, I'm asking you :)
[11:35] <daubers> YaManicKill: Drobo != RAID
[11:35] <popey> bigcalm: ext4 will work well on a single SSD in a laptop?
[11:35] <daubers> YaManicKill: Drop = some weird proprietary raid like thing
[11:36] <davmor2> popey: does btrfs have the optimisations for ssd's
[11:36] <daubers> davmor2: Yes
[11:36] <popey> it knows what an SSD is
[11:36] <daubers> It supports TRIM and the like
[11:36] <davmor2> daubers: thanks popey ;)  I was assuming it would but thought I'd ask
[11:36] <directhex> the value of Dogecoin, buoyed by association with Jamaican bobsledders, combined with a 20M DOGE donation, means Jamaica should now have sufficient funding to send its 2-man bobsled team to the Sochi winter olympics
[11:36] <directhex> this is a real thing.
[11:37] <YaManicKill> daubers: oh reaaally. Now that I didn't know.
[11:37] <YaManicKill> That explains a lot, and makes my decision easier.
[11:38] <YaManicKill> Ok, well let me change my question...has anyone ever had any experience with hardware RAID controllers? I'm looking at buying one, and not sure what people think about them.
[11:38] <daubers> directhex: The future is weird
[11:38] <daubers> YaManicKill: Which brand/number of drives/Rreq'd RAID level?
[11:38] <davmor2> daubers: of course the future is weird we are in control of it
[11:38] <directhex> daubers, yes
[11:38] <YaManicKill> daubers: brand of hdd or RAID controller?
[11:39] <daubers> YaManicKill: RAID controller
[11:39] <YaManicKill> daubers: sharkoon, initially looking at 3 drives in RAID5 but with ability to expand up to the 5 the controller I'm looking at supports, but I could live with 4 easily.
[11:39] <YaManicKill> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharkoon-5-Bay-Raid-Housing-inch-eSATA/dp/B004VJ4CSW/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=3DPPREXJEH156&coliid=I200GGSB0K5G74
[11:39] <YaManicKill> that's the one I'm looking at
[11:39] <bigcalm> popey: sure, so the default of ext4 is fine. But you mentioned that you were using btfs on your laptop. I assume that the laptop is using an SSD
[11:40] <daubers> Ah, ok, no idea what controller that will have inside :) Probably LSI
[11:40]  * daubers only tends to deal in PCIe cards
[11:40] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2, how's the new toy?
[11:40] <YaManicKill> oh right. Yeah, this is for a mpc
[11:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: very nice till they broke the universe :)
[11:41] <YaManicKill> they don't mention anywhere on amazon or their website what controller they use
[11:45] <popey> bigcalm: yes, ssd
[11:45] <bigcalm> directhex: the amount has dropped to $684 :|
[11:45] <bigcalm> popey: I know nothing of btfs. What would be the advantage of using it on a single drive over etx4?
[11:46] <directhex> bigcalm, withdrawl
[11:46] <popey> it has features ext4 doesn't have
[11:46] <bigcalm> directhex: ah
[11:46] <diddledan> mornign
[11:46] <popey> and i have room for two SSDs in my laptop, so I could do funky thinks like mirroring
[11:47] <directhex> http://dogechain.info/address/DCLmwBUiY9EE8ND6FYtDfbFsiQD8LAZvAZ
[11:47] <bigcalm> Ooo
[11:47] <directhex> popey,  RAID0!
[11:49] <popey> tis quite fast rsyncing from one ssd to another
[11:50] <directhex> bigcalm, looks like most of the doge have been moved to http://dogechain.info/address/DDEgZ8YntMfbxjaYuem36xQCDAosyiaBfp
[11:54] <diddledan> wtf is a doge?
[11:54] <YaManicKill> dogecoin
[11:54] <YaManicKill> or doge themsevles?
[11:54] <diddledan> (I know of the doge meme, but that doesn't make sense with this)
[11:54] <YaManicKill> It's just a new cryptocurrency with lots of doges everywhere.
[11:55] <YaManicKill> Think bitcoin, but with everyone thinking doge is funny every second of every day
[11:55] <diddledan> huh?
[11:55] <YaManicKill> Do you know bitcoin?
[12:05] <diddledan> yeah, I know bitcoin - I'm failing to understand the link with a popculture meme
[12:06] <YaManicKill> The link is "We like doge, we like cryptocurrency, let's make a cryptocurrency with doge memes".
[12:06] <YaManicKill> It's got nothing on a technical level to do with it.
[12:06] <YaManicKill> They just put the meme everywhere on it.
[12:07] <YaManicKill> Stop trying to understand it. Just...accept it.
[12:09] <diddledan> ok, so it's called doge - has it been vetted like bitcoin has on an academic level to prove that it's impossible to just "invent" "coins"?
[12:10] <diddledan> .. and therefore that the inventors of the currency can't devalue your stock
[12:12] <YaManicKill> It uses lightcoin technology, so it depends on that one.
[12:12] <YaManicKill> As for your question, no idea.
[12:12] <diddledan> I don't get the point of cloning other currencies with a different key and claiming it's new and better
[12:13] <diddledan> it everyone clones everyone else then there'll be thousands of currencies all with next-to-no intrinsic value
[12:13] <YaManicKill> Yup.
[12:13] <diddledan> the reason bitcoin has value is because people want it
[12:14] <foobarry> just like beanie babies
[12:14] <YaManicKill> Wow, 1990s flashback.
[12:14] <diddledan> so it brings me back to "what's the point of dogecoin?"
[12:15] <davmor2> diddledan: I think you are over thinking it, Why do people climb mountains, pot hole, swim the channel.  Cause it is there! why do people make there own version of a currency cause it's there and they think they can get rich quick. ;)
[12:15] <Myrtti> oh dear crikey let all the cryptocurrencies burrrrnnnnnnnnn
[12:15] <foobarry> diddledan: a speculators tool
[12:16] <foobarry> like shares in china.com or whatever vacuous things people bought shares in during the .com bubble
[12:20] <foobarry> pasta ready-meal is creamy and contains nutmeg..tastes suspiciously like rice pudding which is a dessert. my mouth is confused
[12:20] <diddledan> lol
[12:21] <diddledan> maybe it _is_ rice pudding?!
[12:21] <foobarry> because it also has bacon
[12:21] <diddledan> just in a different pot
[12:21] <diddledan> and with bacon
[12:21] <diddledan> wtf?!
[12:21] <foobarry> my mum used to make vermicelli pud like this
[12:24] <Myrtti> the concept of pudding/dessert is sometimes so confusing
[12:26] <Myrtti> in Finland rice pudding/barley pudding is tranlated into porridge. Rice porridge, barley porridge. It doesn't necessarily have a dessert connotation - so having barley porridge as a school lunch was a normal thing to occur once a month
[12:27] <foobarry> usually for me, bacon = main course, sweet stuff = dessert
[12:28] <foobarry> except breakfast, which is often sweet
[12:28] <Myrtti> sure, but Finns usually put a tiny bit of salt into rice porridge - it doesn't still mean that it can't be served as a dessert
[12:32] <popey> smells like lunchtime
[12:32]  * popey looks for recipes for what to do with belly pork
[12:32] <bigcalm> popey: hog roast!
[12:32] <popey> yeah, i think so
[12:33] <davmor2> Myrtti: don't the finns add salt to everything? ;)
[12:33] <bigcalm> I can't believe that we ate a whole pig
[12:33] <popey> i can ☻
[12:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: I wouldn't put anything past you :P
[12:34] <bigcalm> davmor2: It wasn't just me, popey helped
[12:34] <popey> http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/oct/11/nigel-slater-recipes-pork-belly
[12:34] <popey> gonna go for the first one in that list and roast it slowly
[12:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh well easy then :)
[12:35] <bigcalm> Oh, I think we have some ribs in the freezer. Might have them later in the week
[12:35] <diddledan> pig sounds tasty
[12:35] <davmor2> spiderpig
[12:36] <bigcalm> Not nice thought
[12:36] <diddledan> I wonder how long it'll be before chickens are crossed with spiders to get extra drumsticks
[12:37] <diddledan> and then the chickens will probably take over the world but that's another story
[12:37] <foobarry> or octopi
[12:37] <AlanBell> yay, spider chickens \o/
[12:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=714-Ioa4XQw
[12:38] <diddledan> I for one welcome our new overlords
[12:38] <bigcalm> Time for me to leave IRC alone for a while
[12:39] <foobarry> married women lusting after gary barlow on my facebook feed :S
[12:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: that was my reference for spiderpig :)
[12:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: I know the video without looking at it. I just don't want to think about cooking and eating a pig that's part spider. Now I feel rather sick
[12:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: wuss insects are the food of the future did you not see QI
[12:41] <foobarry> my sister called from surrey with a laptop problem. ascertained that the backlight had gone, she shone a torch on the screen to see stuff :D
[12:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: Arachnids too
[12:47]  * bigcalm hugs the /clear command
[12:53] <diddledan> think how mary jane feels about kissing spiderman?! </troll>
[12:54] <davmor2> diddledan: spiderman is a troll what films and comics have you been looking at?
[12:55] <diddledan> I thought spiderman was a spider.. man
[13:10] <foobarry> used the wrong gateway ip while in the server room while setting up drac :( have to go back to fix before i can see the servers
[13:10] <foobarry> stoopid non standard default gateway addresses
[13:10] <diddledan> fudge
[13:10] <diddledan> crickets!
[13:11] <foobarry> numpties
[13:35] <knightwise> aha , it appears the new version of Geary supports attaching files :)
[13:35] <knightwise> nice
[13:38] <directhex> it's the future!
[13:39] <knightwise> lol :)
[13:39] <knightwise> its a nice looking mail all
[13:39] <knightwise> app
[13:39] <directhex> wake me when it has caldav and ldap address books
[13:43] <BigRedS> I just want it to support multiple accounts
[13:43] <knightwise> true , that would be nice
[13:43] <BigRedS> caldav, address books would be *nice* but that seems to be to be a fairly necessary feature
[13:43] <DJones> I thought geary did support multiple accounts
[13:43] <knightwise> I thought it did came with a link to your address book ?
[13:43] <BigRedS> I'd have at least tried it by now if it could do that
[13:44] <knightwise> i like this interface though
[13:44] <knightwise> makes thunderbird look cluttered
[13:44] <popey> any UI is uncluttered when it's not finished
[13:45] <knightwise> true
[13:45] <knightwise> well .. at least its better then evolution
[13:47] <BigRedS> I'm not so concerned about thunderbird's clutteredness as I am its apparent need for half my ram
[13:47] <BigRedS> and the way that every GUI mail client seems to not bother checking folders until I click on them
[14:23] <diddledan> thunderbird is indeed memory hungry. it can bring even the mightiest of beasts to their knees
[14:24] <diddledan> like david and his adversary goliath
[14:24] <diddledan> only david is the bad guy in this tale, and goliath is us.
[14:29] <diddledan> wtf? maplin email today: "USD GPS Dongle with SiRF Star III GPS chipset. compatible with windows, macintosh and linux redhat 7.3"
[14:30] <diddledan> 7.3 is from way back in 1999
[14:30] <diddledan> afaicr
[14:32] <popey> \o/ migration to btrfs complete
[14:32] <diddledan> popey: that on your nas or your desktop?
[14:32] <popey> laptop
[14:32] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ mount | grep btrfs
[14:32] <popey> /dev/sdb1 on / type btrfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime)
[14:32] <popey> /dev/sda1 on /home type btrfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime)
[14:32] <popey> \o/
[14:32] <diddledan> meh, laptop/dekstop :-p
[14:33] <diddledan> well done :-)
[14:33] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ df -h | grep sd
[14:33] <popey> /dev/sdb1            231G  164G   65G  72% /
[14:33] <popey> /dev/sda1            224G  138G   85G  62% /home
[14:33] <popey> \o/
[14:33] <popey> need to remove my old home from /
[14:35] <popey> /dev/sdb1            231G   27G  202G  12% /
[14:35] <popey> \o/ much better
[14:39] <foobarry> strawberry licorice. nom
[15:00] <foobarry> i wonder if there's a .nom TLD
[15:09] <daubers> Airports are boring
[15:10] <Seeker`> daubers: which airport?
[15:10] <foobarry> all
[15:11] <Seeker`> Heathrow need to use higher resolition shadow maps for their planes
[15:11] <Seeker`> https://twitter.com/Simon_Fe1/status/362250251022778371/photo/1
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: 8-)
[15:12] <daubers> Seeker`: Heathrow T5
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> daubers: airports are fascinating. As long as you're just passing through on your commute ;)
[15:13] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: I pointed that out to Simon_Fe on the way to LA :D
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> daubers: my bus goes via Schiphol airport
[15:13] <daubers> MartijnVdS: This kinda is a commute, off to Zurich for work for a couple of days
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> daubers: sure but not a daily one
[15:15] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Nah, a daily air commute would kill me
[15:16]  * MartijnVdS actually considered a 4 days London/3 days Netherlands ("home") job once. Decided I'd probably go crazy instead :)
[15:16] <daubers> Urgh
[15:16]  * Seeker` imagines a Mrs Doubtfire type situation
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: not THAT kind of job..
[15:17] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: I meant the scene where he is running between a friend and the someonee else and forgets who is meant to be at which table
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: Yes, that sort of thing is why I didn't take it ;)
[15:22] <foobarry> .tattoo seems to be the most expensive TLD
[15:22] <foobarry> £200/year
[15:23] <Guest24851> Hi, a drive area which I partitioned won't mount, anyone know about this sort of thing?
[15:23] <Guest24851> I got this error message -
[15:23] <Guest24851> Error mounting system-managed device /dev/sda7: Command-line `mount "/mnt/d456c373-1d42-4b00-b9a3-1aad4f465d32"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda7,
[15:23] <Guest24851>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[15:23] <Guest24851>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[15:23] <Guest24851>        dmesg | tail  or so
[15:44] <foobarry> "A leading bookmaker has suspended betting on the Queen announcing her abdication by the end of the year after a large gamble was placed in the Windsor area."
[15:44] <foobarry> harry?
[15:45] <foobarry> charlie?
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: phil?
[15:48] <foobarry> philly? has one been to the bookies again?
[15:49] <DJones> Nah, Camilla
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> I wonder how many people bet on the day before (or the day after) she reaches "longest reigning monarch"
[15:59] <YaManicKill> ha
[16:05] <foobarry> nfs server has iowait , how to determine the busy user?
[16:08] <popey> foobarry: iotop?
[16:09] <popey> sudo iotop -o
[16:13] <foobarry> shows nfsd processes..
[16:13] <foobarry> i could follow via netstat -p
[16:13] <foobarry> nope
[17:28] <bigcalm> #ubuntu-uk has contempt, but for what?
[17:28] <directhex> court
[17:30] <Laney> due process
[17:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: people asking what we have contempt for?
[18:59] <bubu> Hey guys, I think a package is pulling in ruby1.8, and I would like to know which package this is. It's being installed and update-alternatives is updating to point to it instead of ruby 2.
[18:59] <bubu> ~$ apt-cache rdepends ruby1.8 --installed
[18:59] <bubu> ruby1.8
[18:59] <bubu> Reverse Depends:
[18:59] <bubu>  |passenger-dev
[18:59] <bubu>  |passenger
[18:59] <bubu>  |crash-watch
[19:00] <bubu> but I have other nodes with passenger on that haven't pulled in ruby1.8 ....
[19:00]  * bubu scratches head
[19:02] <popey> bubu: try "aptitude why ruby1.8"
[19:02] <bubu> popey: i A passenger    Depends    ruby2.0 | ruby1.9.1 | ruby1.8 | ruby-interpreter
[19:03] <bubu> but that doesn't make sense to me, I have passenger on another node, and that hasn't had ruby1.8 installed on it..
[19:03] <popey> rubygems wants it here
[19:03] <bubu> huh?
[19:04] <popey> i am on 14.04 tho
[19:04] <bubu> am 12.04
[19:31] <shauno> bubu: on a fresh 12.04 (well, Vagrant, anyway), ruby points to 1.8.  is there a chance you installed ruby 2 on the other node?
[19:32] <bubu> nope
[19:32] <bubu> josh@ci4:~$ dpkg -l | grep ruby
[19:32] <bubu> ii  libruby1.9.1                                   1.9.3.0-1ubuntu2.8                  Libraries necessary to run Ruby 1.9.1
[19:32] <bubu> ii  ruby-2.0.0-p353                                2.0.0-p353                          no description given
[19:32] <bubu> ii  ruby-daemon-controller                         1.1.8-1~precise1                    Library for robust daemon management
[19:32] <bubu> ii  ruby-rack                                      1.3.5-1                             Modular Ruby webserver interface
[19:32] <bubu> ii  ruby1.9.1                                      1.9.3.0-1ubuntu2.8                  Interpreter of object-oriented scripting lang
[19:33] <bubu> looks like texlive-full installs ruby1.8 ...
[19:34] <shauno> this is what I have on a fresh image of precise-cloud; http://paste.ubuntu.com/6787672/
[19:35] <shauno> so I guess my question isn't why this machine is installing 1.8, but why the other machine has 2
[19:36] <bubu> shauno: thanks but its not a fresh install
[19:36] <bubu> looks like texlive-full installs ruby1.8
[19:39] <bubu> I'm using chef, so chef runs, installs ruby 2, updates alternatives etc. then libtex-full is installed which pulls in ruby1.8 which updates-alternatives again to be helpful
[19:41] <bubu> is there a way to install a package like texlive-full, but not install the ruby 1.8 it then tries to install?
[19:46] <BigRedS> presumably texlive-full depends on ruby 1.8?
[19:47] <BigRedS> oh, it's a metapackage. Well, you could install all of its dependencies bar those which depend on ruby1.8
[19:49] <bubu> BigRedS: How can I do that?
[19:50] <bubu> I could apt-get download textlive-full and then force install that deb file using dpkg but that feels nasty and possibly broken
[19:55] <BigRedS> you could look at the depends list and install all of it that doesn't pull in ruby1.8
[19:55] <BigRedS> I think there's a way to blacklist a package but I can't remember
[19:56] <BigRedS> so you don't accidentally install it
[19:56] <bubu> --ignore-depends ?
[19:56] <SuperMatt> Hi
[19:56] <BigRedS> if you put ruby1.8 on hold then you'll need to do a force to make it install
[19:57] <BigRedS> and then you can safely go through all the texlive depends installing them; any that rely on ruby1.8 will fail
[19:57] <BigRedS> no, ignore depends will just install stuff without making sure it's got what it needs in order to run
[19:58] <bubu> I'm pretty sure it just needs ruby, but installs ruby1.8
[19:58] <bubu> I have ruby 2 installed as system ruby so it should be ok...
[20:00] <BigRedS> yeah, ruby irritates the crap out of me so I tend to not install things that depend on it
[20:00] <BigRedS> but if whatever it is depends on just "ruby" then I'd not expect anything to try to install ruby1.8
[20:00] <bubu> I'm using backports so it's http://ppa.launchpad.net/texlive-backports/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[20:00] <BigRedS> and I'd be surprised to find something that works in ruby 1.8 also work in 2.0
[20:01] <bubu> aye, big change
[20:01] <BigRedS> but, yeah, all of that does just appear to depend on ruby
[20:02] <BigRedS> maybe try putting ruby1.8 on hold and then installing the package
[20:02] <bubu> can't see anything specific to ruby1.8 libs in there
[20:02] <BigRedS> at worst, that way you'll probably see what it is that's causing dpkg to want ruby1.8
[20:07] <bubu> textlive wants to install context context-modules ruby ruby1.8 texlife-full, looks like it's context which wants ruby
[20:29]  * MartijnVdS pokes his Pi
[20:40] <diddledan> shauno: you about?
[20:40] <shauno> in theory
[20:40] <diddledan> lol
[20:41] <diddledan> I got a question - my UPS is on 12% load and it just tried to do a self test but when it finished it said "refused"
[20:41] <shauno> not entirely sober, so if I go quiet, it's in everyone's best interest
[20:41] <diddledan> any idea what was refused and why?
[20:41] <shauno> sorry, I don't do soho, call back in office hours :)
[20:41] <diddledan> lol
[20:41] <diddledan> fair enough
[20:42] <shauno> either battery age/condition/lame, or it's not happy with the input power, I'd assume
[20:43] <diddledan> hmm, input voltage _is_ quite high at 246.19
[20:43] <shauno> generally you won't attempt a self-test if you're not fully charged, if it's not convinced it can run the battery down 20% without falling over, or if the input is out of range so there's no plan B
[20:46] <shauno> that said, I'm not sure if soho units bother with 'plan B'.  I don't normally deal with anything under 80kW, so the little boxes are a little odd to me
[20:47] <diddledan> I'm wondering if I can suck any log info off it
[20:51] <shauno> what is it ?
[20:51] <diddledan> smart-ups 750
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> pronounced "Smart-OOPS"
[20:58] <shauno> I'm gonna stick to my alcohol story :)  you can send it some pretty basic commands over serial, but it's a (very) messy protocol that I wouldn't feel comfortable ad-libbing
[20:58] <shauno> (google will call it either "apc smart protocol" or "apc link language" though)
[21:04] <shauno> it's not the most fun you've ever had though.  most likely the closest you'd be able to get is to command a runtime callibration and look up the letter it gives you when it refuses
[21:22] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I'm nicking that pronounciation
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> ... Raspberry Pi only had 1GB (of 16) for /
[21:32] <shauno> resize2fs?
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> shauno: yeah, the did the trick
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> shauno: but getting a "Disk full" error during apt-get is annyoing :)
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> annoying, too
[21:33] <shauno> if you like pain, try running java apps on it :)
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I'm going to run a tiny "Google Cloud Print" connector daemon on it
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: so I don't have to configure Chrome to do that.. because that breaks Chrome for some reason
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> ("Could not load your profile")
[21:34] <shauno> I've been trying to run a java app that was originally distributed on a 700MHz VIA /w 256MB
[21:34] <shauno> was honestly suprised how much worse the pi performs
[21:35] <diddledan__> shauno: I think that's probably due to evolution of java rather than badness of the pi
[21:35] <MartijnVdS> the pi's CPU is *slow*
[21:36] <shauno> it is.  a whole lot slower than the clock count betrays.
[21:36] <diddledan__> I suppose part of that is no instruction reordering
[21:38] <shauno> we have an app that used to be distributed on hardware.  but the HW is all dying.  I thought the pi might be a cheap way to keep it alive.  I was wrong.
[21:39] <shauno> instead I'm distributing instructions on replacing the HDD with a CF card, because the pathetic cooling killing the HDD is the #1 killer, and the mobo it uses happens to have a CF carrier on the underside
[21:39] <zleap> isn't there a beagle board or beagle bone that is better spec than the pi,  and can run ubuntu
[21:39] <zleap> maybe something like that would work
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> or a NUC
[21:41] <shauno> it doesn't need to be ubuntu, the original is so old it's using RH pre-RHEL as a platform :)
[23:09] <ali1234> how do you disable upstart services?
[23:19] <shauno> as far as I can tell, you uninstall them
[23:20] <ali1234> the linux software for leap motion runs a leapd as root with upstart - it's a system service that runs all the time
[23:20] <shauno> I may be wrong, I often am; but it appears to be built around the ethos of "if you don't want it running, why did you install it"
[23:20] <ali1234> it runs the monitoring code constantly, so if you wave your hands near your computer -> 100% cpu use
[23:20] <ali1234> the daemon doesn't even need to run as root, it runs perfectly fine as a user
[23:21] <ali1234> but more to the point there is absolutely no reason for it to run constantly in the first place
[23:22] <ali1234> i just deleted /etc/init.d/leapd - that seems to have got rid of it
[23:26] <diddledan__> that isn't upstart then
[23:26] <diddledan__> upstart jobs are in /etc/init/
[23:34] <ali1234> diddledan__: /lib/init/upstart-job - read it
[23:35] <diddledan__> ali1234: your point being?
[23:35] <ali1234> my point being you're completely wrong :)
[23:35] <diddledan__> ali1234: that is a wrapper which gets called on upstart jobs that ALSO have an init.d script to maintain backwards compatibility
[23:36] <diddledan__> upstart stores it's jobs in /etc/init - anything in /etc/init.d related to an upstart job is backwards compatibility only
[23:36] <diddledan__> removing the job from /etc/init will disable it whereas removing the job from /etc/init.d MAY NOT
[23:39] <diddledan__> as a test, remove /etc/init.d/cron and then issue `restart cron` - the job will still start and stop even though you've removed the init.d script because that is JUST a backwards compatibility thing
[23:51] <BigRedS> to answer the more original question, I comment-out the entirety of their file in /etc/init/