[05:19] <nuvolari> o/
[05:19] <nuvolari> inetpro: ping
[05:19] <nuvolari> inetpro: got some weird link on twitter
[05:19] <nuvolari> is your account safe?
[05:21] <nuvolari> http://slexy.org/view/s2gRT2j4es
[05:59] <Squirm> morning
[05:59] <Squirm> nuvolari: so did I, he knows it's spamming
[06:16] <inetpro> good morning 
[06:16] <inetpro> nuvolari: yep, sorry for that
[06:17] <inetpro> my account clearly got compromised
[06:18] <inetpro> still not sure whether it was through a weak password or one of the app connections
[06:19] <inetpro> I somehow still can't send DM messages to anyone at this stage
[06:19] <inetpro> guess twitter picked up that I was spamming everyone 
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:28] <inetpro> good morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:52] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:53] <mazal> I have 12.04 64bit , all updates , and it doesn't want to take vlc as my default video player. I did make vlc the default in system settings for videos. But still when I open a video it opens with media player instead. Any ideas why ?
[07:08] <bduk1> More almal
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone here dabble in photography at all? particularly with post-processing RAW files
[08:21] <charl> good morning all
[08:22] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:22]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:19] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy and all others
[09:21] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[09:21] <liamT> good moaning
[09:23] <Kilos> oh hi liamT Golynx 
[09:23] <Kilos> Golynx, something to writwe down and do when data comes
[09:24] <Kilos> install ubuntu-restricted-extrs and addons
[09:24] <Kilos> extras
[09:24] <Kilos> they both in synaptic
[09:25] <Golynx> Hey liamT
[09:25] <Kilos> makes more stuff work, ask the clever peeps what
[09:25] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:25] <Golynx> Hmm are you sure thats needed Kilos
[09:25] <psyatw> hi Golynx
[09:25] <Golynx> Hi psyatw
[09:26] <Kilos> man i dunno what all you do but i needed them for something
[09:26] <Kilos> makes stuff work
[09:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> probably for playing commercial DVDs
[09:27] <Kilos> ah ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:27] <Golynx> I never watch dvd on pc
[09:27] <Kilos> storm killed power 10 mins after i went off last night and was only fixed after 10 this morning
[09:27] <Golynx> Hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello
[09:31] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, any ideas how to force 12.04 to see a creen thats 17" but gets seen as 640x480
[09:31] <Kilos> i cant google till month end
[09:31] <Kilos> sorry
[09:31] <Kilos> stupig samsung syncmaster
[09:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure, i've never ever had that happen
[09:32] <Kilos> stupid as well
[09:32] <Kilos> on my other make same size screen this drive works fine but im using ti to work on drives
[09:33] <Kilos> some samsung bug
[09:33] <Kilos> grrr
[09:41] <mazal> Yay got the default application thing working :)
[10:05] <Golynx> hmm , no webcam :/
[11:18] <Golynx> Kilos dont you have a windows 7 disk
[11:22] <Golynx> I dont think this was the right time for me to try ubuntu. I wana use it when i have a more supported pc.
[11:31] <Kilos> yes i do but cant post it for some months
[11:31] <Kilos> need data and meds if been putting off to safe for pc stuff
[11:32] <Kilos> all you need is just lotsa internet
[11:33] <Kilos> s/safe/save
[11:33] <Golynx> How much do you want for the windows 7 disk
[11:34] <Kilos> i use it man, its not a for sale one but can make a copy
[11:34] <Kilos> but i can buy them for 879 i think 
[11:35] <Golynx> hmm, so the copy wont work
[11:35] <Kilos> win7 basic for 879
[11:36] <Kilos> why wont it work?
[11:36] <Kilos> win7 pro for R1499
[11:36] <Golynx> The serial numbers and stuff windows restrict for not making copies of their os's
[11:38] <Kilos> mine is also a copy
[11:39] <Kilos> but dont go online with it
[11:39] <Golynx> My biggest issue in ubuntu is, the upgrades are too large , its more than a gig, and java dont run by saving cpu use here, so i cant use android emulator and blackberry emulator. Aswell as the apache server permissions stuff on ubuntu gives me too much headaces
[11:41] <Golynx> This laptop is not that well supported by ubuntu
[11:42] <Kilos> there i gave you the price of new legal copies of win7
[11:43] <Golynx> On windows 7 everything works fine. The most intensive programs run at below 40% there with this laptop compared to over 100% on ubuntu.
[11:43] <Golynx> ai
[11:44] <Kilos> i dont have a legal one
[11:44] <Golynx> Everything is fucke up now! My future flushed like crap
[11:48] <Golynx> Thanks for nothing Kilos
[11:49] <Kilos> yw
[11:49] <Golynx> I bet your laughing now
[11:49] <Kilos> about?
[11:50] <Golynx> How you convinced me to fuck up this pc
[11:50] <Kilos> if you had of listened and done the correct upgrading everything would wor
[11:50] <Kilos> work
[11:51] <Kilos> if you knew as much as you think you do you would have unlocked the locked win7 stuff and installed alongside
[11:52] <Kilos> but if blaming me makes you feel good then carry on
[11:52] <Golynx> You keep pushing on upgrade nonsene wont fix anything. I installed the drivers and this thing wont even run the basic 3D programs
[11:52] <Kilos> last time i waste time and money sending anyone anything
[11:52] <Kilos> you must listen fool
[11:53] <Golynx> You only told me you found the unlock option after i already installed ubuntu
[11:53] <Kilos> ubuntu needs those security upgrades after a clean install
[11:53] <Golynx> I'm not blaming you
[11:53] <Kilos> thats correct my son told me about them we he came to visit
[11:55] <Golynx> I dunno what security upgrades have to do with system performance
[11:55] <Golynx> Ubuntu's supposed to be secure 
[11:55] <Kilos> its not security as windows peeps see it , it is necessary stuff in ubuntu
[11:56] <Golynx> Why is it neccassary
[11:56] <Kilos> its to complete the packages that of which there were basic installs
[11:57] <Golynx> I dont understand
[11:57] <Kilos> yes
[11:58] <Kilos> and you dont want to try understand
[11:58] <Kilos> little things like acpi get upgraded with clean installs
[11:58] <Kilos> and everything else
[11:59] <Vince-0> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/why-you-should-always-keep-ubuntu-updated-linux/
[11:59] <Vince-0> rtfm
[11:59] <Kilos> if ubuntu installed a complete system the dvd would be large
[11:59] <Kilos> ty vince
[12:03] <Golynx> That link still dont satidfy me Vince-0
[12:03] <Golynx> Kilos what version was your dvd 12.04.2 ?
[12:04] <Kilos> most likely yes
[12:04] <Golynx> 12.04.3 ?
[12:05] <Kilos> .3 i think
[12:05] <Golynx> Those are just patches made to the base version, why would a newer patch improve anything 
[12:06] <Vince-0> updates are for security, bug fixes, patches etc
[12:06] <Vince-0> performance can be affected by this
[12:06] <Vince-0> you're having graphics display performance issues?
[12:06] <Vince-0> welcome to Linux, get Googling on Ubuntu sites for graphics driver fixes
[12:07] <Vince-0> DONT come in here and get rowdy, we're here for free so you're lucky to even get a comment
[12:07] <Golynx> Yes Vince-0 , plus java working overtime
[12:07] <Vince-0> now get lost, go do some reading for a week before accusing Kilos of anything
[12:07] <Kilos> he hasnt done a first update/upgrade since installing
[12:07] <Vince-0> java? did you google that? Java is a piece of crap
[12:07] <Vince-0> let me guess, you're running a Celeron CPU?
[12:08] <Vince-0> but PULEEZ, go read some Google
[12:08] <Golynx> I need java for android emulator and blackberry its not crap
[12:08] <Vince-0> you will get nowhere otherwise
[12:09] <Golynx> no its a dual core AMD cpu , that ubuntu hates, Intel supposed to be the most prefered cpu for ubutnu dunno why
[12:09] <Vince-0> there's two Java's for Ubuntu - SUN and IcedTea
[12:09] <Vince-0> repo comes with IcedTea. Try Sun 1.6 JRE package?
[12:10] <Vince-0> there's always a way but you have to help yourself first otherwise I'm going to say GTFO
[12:11] <Golynx> OpenJDK suposed to work best for linux
[12:11] <Vince-0> meh
[12:11] <Vince-0> I doubt it but you need to try a few things first
[12:11] <Vince-0> http://askubuntu.com/questions/56104/how-can-i-install-sun-oracles-proprietary-java-6-7-jre-or-jdk
[12:11] <Vince-0> those emulation apps will have preffered JREs
[12:11] <Vince-0> I always use Oracle's
[12:12] <Golynx> OK, fine i appologise
[12:12] <Golynx> Sorry Kilos for overreacting
[12:12] <Kilos> np
[12:13] <Golynx> I will be back next month, take care
[12:13] <Kilos> but seriously when you do the proper upgrade everything will work better and properly
[12:13] <Kilos> you too
[12:13] <Vince-0> Java is a magical creature, so hack away
[12:13] <Vince-0> the worst kind of noobs
[12:13] <Kilos> tough ya
[12:13] <mazal> Wat gaat hier aan ?
[12:14] <Kilos> ty for the help
[12:14] <Vince-0> kk
[12:14] <Vince-0> mazal, noob raas omdat hy n noob is
[12:15] <Vince-0> I'll be the first to be accommodating to noobs but jeez that guy needs to catch a wake up
[12:15] <Vince-0> *lols - back to work!
[12:16] <Kilos> peeps dont realize how important the first update/upgrade is
[12:16] <Kilos> thats why its over 200m
[12:17] <mazal> I checked that part about complaining about updates, that is just a part of all os's now. A fresh Win 7 install has over 1gig updates currently
[12:18] <Kilos> yes but with 7 it works without the update
[12:18] <Kilos> ubuntu needs the first one to work properly
[12:18] <Kilos> its like lots of packages only have a basic install
[12:19] <inetpro> eish!
[12:19] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm still not convinced he would be happy even after an update
[12:19] <inetpro> saying that the update will fix everything might be the wrong thing to say
[12:19] <Kilos> i felt soory for him losing his work and all
[12:20] <Kilos> but maybe thats why
[12:20] <Vince-0> lol no backups?
[12:20] <Kilos> im mean his job
[12:20] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, I might be running late tonight. Have a competition reward ceremony at 18:00 (photo club)
[12:21] <Kilos> whats happening tonight nuvolari ?
[12:21] <Kilos> meeting next tuesday my man
[12:22] <liamT> #Kilos - what media card you using ?
[12:22] <Vince-0> nuvolari ! long time no see
[12:23] <Kilos> me? nvidia something or other
[12:23] <Kilos> fx5500 i think
[12:23] <liamT> surely through the nvidia settings you can change the screen settings
[12:23] <Kilos> and i have nvidia-173 installed 
[12:23] <liamT> i've also got a samsung extra screen, it works fine once I use that
[12:24] <liamT> and I'm using nvidia 8400M gs
[12:24] <Kilos> aha lemme see if i can do that
[12:24] <Kilos> can you open them settings from cli?
[12:25] <liamT> as in shell or gui ?
[12:25] <Kilos> everything else hangs off the end of the screen so no apply buttons
[12:25] <Kilos> shell
[12:25] <Kilos> command line interface
[12:25] <liamT> i have nvidia-current, nvidia-settings-304 installed
[12:25] <Kilos> here too i think
[12:26] <liamT> you don't run X ?
[12:26] <Kilos> i dunno
[12:26] <liamT> you use xfce or unity or kde ?
[12:26] <Kilos> works fine with genisat screen
[12:26] <Kilos> unity
[12:26] <Kilos> on  here now that is
[12:27] <liamT> you should be able to find it in there, the nvidia settings program
[12:27] <liamT> bbl
[12:27] <Kilos> ty
[12:27] <smile> hi :)
[12:27] <Kilos> hi smile
[12:32] <Kilos> The NVIDIA X driver on P4:0.0 is not new
[12:32] <Kilos> enough to support the nvidia-settings Display Configuration page.
[12:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:35] <Kilos> not serious ill get back to the good screen tomorrow
[12:36] <smile> NVIDIA drivers suck ;)
[12:49] <Kilos> lemme reboot and see if the 304 drivers make a diffs
[12:49] <Kilos> wbb
[12:52] <Kilos> oooyay
[12:53] <Kilos> now i can work on the 2TB in peace and not sukkel on this pc
[12:54] <Kilos> danke liamT 
[12:55] <liamT> it work ?
[12:55] <Maaz> liamT: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell liamT Thanks alot installing the 304 settings sorted the prob" 59 seconds ago
[12:55] <liamT> no prob
[12:56] <Kilos> i didnt have to do anything more except reboot
[12:56] <Kilos> yay
[12:58] <Kilos> inetpro, you will all be happy. ive made maverick into 12.04 and no 10.10 cd to go back
[12:59] <Kilos> im now on 12.04 here with 10.10 home intack
[13:00] <liamT> it has a convenient screen for dragging screens any which way
[13:00] <Kilos> lol dont give me more to play with and mess up liamT 
[13:01] <Kilos> weird though, the additional drivers option chose nvidia-173
[13:02] <Kilos> so i used gdebi to install 304 from my archives
[13:07] <liamT> i think I installed current, and 304 comes with that, i'm on 13.10
[13:07] <liamT> thought whatever works
[13:07] <Kilos> yeah thanks again
[13:08] <liamT> I also install dkms, just in case things need to be recompiled for the kernel, i remember having a problem with that a few years back
[13:09] <Kilos> i inastalled 304 and 304 settings and the install did the dkms stuff automatically
[13:29] <Kilos> sjoe inetpro storm is hier. hopelik varby as jy huis toe gaan
[13:29] <Kilos> i go pump water quick
[13:30] <inetpro> ai!
[13:47] <Kilos> dit sous
[14:12] <Kilos> Vince-0, i think hell be back. he knows buntu is better but just doesnt want to admit that he messed up with unticking security updates
[14:12] <Kilos> if he was so hard up for data he wouldnt be trying to make a webcam work
[14:13] <Squirm> hey all
[14:15] <Kilos> hi Squirm hows things?
[14:17] <somaunn> Hello everyone
[14:17] <Kilos> hi somaunn 
[14:17] <somaunn> Kilos, how are things doing here
[14:17] <somaunn> ?
[14:18] <Kilos> good ty and there?
[14:28] <somaunn> good too
[14:28] <Kilos> great. can i ask where you are?
[14:29] <somaunn> i having an hard time with some updates on my lin box
[14:29] <somaunn> Kilos: i'm in Congo (central africa)
[14:29] <Kilos> aha
[14:29] <Kilos> what probs
[14:29] <Kilos> how are you updating?
[14:30] <somaunn> just doing normal updates
[14:30] <charl> phew need to take a break
[14:30] <charl> developing a cool application in spring
[14:30] <somaunn> but stuck at initscripts, nfs-utils, selinux-policy-targeted
[14:31] <somaunn> tcpdump
[14:31] <somaunn> they don't get updated like it supposed to be 
[14:31] <Kilos> somaun do you have aptitude installed
[14:31] <somaunn> Kilos: using fedora with yum 
[14:31] <Kilos> aptitude gives work arounds normally
[14:32] <Kilos> oi
[14:32] <Kilos> look for a yummitude
[14:32] <Kilos> hehe
[14:32] <Kilos> Squirm, can you help somaunn ?
[14:33] <Kilos> is fedora and red hat the same thing?
[14:33] <Kilos> Squirm, is the redhat man here
[14:33] <somaunn> hey that mean Squirm is my man
[14:33] <Kilos> yeah
[14:36] <Kilos> as a matter of interest what error message do you get?
[14:36] <Kilos> if its lots paste to slexy.org
[14:43] <Squirm> Kilos: they're not
[14:43] <Squirm> they're very different
[14:43] <Kilos> eish
[14:43] <Squirm> although they're by the same company
[14:43] <Kilos> now where we find someone to help him?
[14:43] <Squirm> Fedora is a community version, funded by Red Hat
[14:43] <Kilos> ah
[14:44] <Kilos> somaunn, havent they got an irc channel
[14:44] <Squirm> if they like ideas that are in Fedora, they will bug test the hell out of it and release it in RH
[14:44] <Squirm> what's the problem?
[14:44] <Kilos> see what somaunn say above
[14:44] <Kilos> update errors
[14:45] <Kilos> but stuck at initscripts, nfs-utils, selinux-policy-targeted
[14:45] <Kilos> but stuck at initscripts, nfs-utils, selinux-policy-targeted
[14:45] <Kilos> sorry
[14:45] <Squirm> I see
[14:46] <somaunn> Squirm, Kilos: look here for what it shows me
[14:47] <somaunn> Kilos: yes they've got an irc channel but have to register etc.
[14:47] <Kilos> eish
[14:47] <somaunn> Kilos: i went to the french irc channel but the help is not that good there
[14:47] <Kilos> paste the error message
[14:47] <somaunn> tried to connect to the #rhel but no succes
[14:48] <Kilos> Squirm, is normally clued up
[14:48] <somaunn> Kilos, Squirm: sorry i forgot to paste, look here http://pastebin.com/9iAwa3Bg
[14:48] <Kilos> in future use slexy.org. my pc struggles with pastebin
[14:48] <Squirm> (28, 'Operation too slow. Less than 1000 bytes/sec transferred the last 30 seconds')
[14:49] <Squirm> so your download rate was less than 1kb/s for 30s
[14:49] <Squirm> it fails on that
[14:49] <Squirm> have you tried another update?
[14:50] <Squirm> yum update
[14:50] <Squirm> it should just download the packages which never downloaded
[14:50] <somaunn> Squirm: yes, it's now since a couple of days
[14:50] <Squirm> have you tried a different mirror?
[14:50] <somaunn> this morning i've do,e some updates 47meg but only these packages failed (once again)
[14:51] <somaunn> Squirm: not 
[14:51] <Squirm> so everything except those packages update?
[14:51] <somaunn> i guess i wil have to add another mirror
[14:52] <somaunn> Squirm: already using the fastestmirror pluggin
[14:52] <Squirm> from what I see, your download speed is to blame, with those 3 packages
[14:52] <Squirm> then, try a local install
[14:52] <Squirm> what fedora version do you have?
[14:53] <Squirm> 20
[14:53] <Squirm> I see
[14:53] <Squirm> somaunn: go here
[14:53] <Squirm> http://mirror.west.ig2ad.com/Fedora/linux/updates/20/x86_64/selinux-policy-targeted-3.12.1-117.fc20.noarch.rpm
[14:53] <Squirm> download that package to your PC, using your browser
[14:54] <somaunn> Squirm: yes using fedora 20 x64
[14:54] <Squirm> or in terminal: wget http://mirror.west.ig2ad.com/Fedora/linux/updates/20/x86_64/selinux-policy-targeted-3.12.1-117.fc20.noarch.rpm
[14:55] <somaunn> Squirm: i also thought it was the speed but i tried late in the night when i'm "alone in the dark" with full BD but still the same
[14:55] <Squirm> then type, yum localinstall /path/to/downloaded/rpm/selinux-policy-targeted-3.12.1-117.fc20.noarch.rpm
[14:55] <Squirm> somaunn: try that
[14:56] <somaunn> Squirm: done with selinux-policy
[14:57] <Squirm> now try a yum update
[14:57] <somaunn> Squirm: processing
[14:57] <Squirm> if it doesn't do the last 2, you're going to have to do the same with the next two
[14:58] <somaunn> Squirm: you are a boss, went like a charm
[14:58] <Squirm> strange that it was only that one package though
[14:58] <somaunn> so i believe the problem was with selinux-policy
[14:58]  * Squirm shrugs
[14:59] <Squirm> but if it's from the same repo, surely the transfer speeds should be exactly the same
[14:59] <Squirm> I don't like selinux :/
[14:59] <Squirm> it's a bitch when you need to sys admin
[14:59] <Squirm> excuse my language :/
[15:00] <Kilos> Squirm, well done. ty
[15:04] <somaunn> Squirm: no problem, i sometime use hard words too
[15:04] <somaunn> Squirm: if you don't like selinux, what you prefer then
[15:08] <Squirm> I guess selinux is put there for a purpose, I recognise that purpose
[15:08] <Squirm> it's just hard to get used to
[15:08] <Squirm> it's basically file security on steroids
[15:09] <Squirm> locks programs/users to use certain ports/files
[15:09] <somaunn> Squirm: good, i'm currently learning to pass my RHCSA certificate and in few months i expect to pass the RHCE certificate too
[15:10] <somaunn> Squirm: as the redhat guys arround what can you advice me to do ?
[15:12] <Squirm> meh
[15:12] <Squirm> I failed my RHCE
[15:12] <Squirm> today I booked to do my RHCE on the 4th of April
[15:12] <Squirm> can't really say anything in terms of the exam
[15:13] <Squirm> you must just follow the course outline you find on the RH site
[15:13] <somaunn> but you get the RHCSA already or not ?
[15:13] <Squirm> s/course/exam
[15:13] <Squirm> I do
[15:13] <somaunn> that cool
[15:14] <Squirm> so now to start learning again...
[15:14] <somaunn> i found few similarities points between RHCSA/RCHE and Security+ from Comptia
[15:15] <somaunn> thats why i want to go Redhat on both RHCSA/RHCE and the end pass my Security+ exam i will be more confident if i go that way
[15:15] <somaunn> by the way THANK YOU SO MUCH Squirm
[15:17] <Squirm> yeah
[15:17] <Squirm> I want to pass my RHCE, then maybe do LPI
[15:17] <Squirm> download and use CentOS
[15:17] <Squirm> CentOS = Red Hat
[15:27] <somaunn> Squirm: to be honest i worked with CentOS for few days but was not that impressed, a lot of missing things in there
[15:27] <somaunn> then i just moved to RHEL 6.1 Beta and got al my stuff working out of the box
[15:28] <somaunn> now i'm just waiting for RHEL 7 Beta that i've asked to a friend of mine then i will make it as my default OS and work from there
[15:28] <somaunn> don't like gnome 2 model at all
[15:28] <somaunn> gnome 3.10 rocks
[15:29] <somaunn> what are the topics you recommand to focus on as an RHCSA
[15:29] <somaunn> ?
[15:44] <somaunn> i'm back 
[15:45] <somaunn> network issue
[15:48] <Kilos> wb
[15:48] <somaunn> Kilos: cool
[16:45] <somaunn> i'm back
[16:45] <somaunn> OS issues
[16:46] <somaunn> installed VMware and gave 2048MB of RAM out of the 4GB i have 
[16:46] <somaunn> my laptop just froze i don't know why
[16:46] <somaunn> still need to investigate
[16:56] <Kilos> hi pogodina 
[16:58] <Kilos> somaunn, is vmware like running virtual box?
[16:59] <Kilos> maybe your ram is too little
[17:05] <Squirm> somaunn: I can't tell you what to focus on
[17:06] <Squirm> and like I said, CentOS is a package for package clone of RH
[17:06] <Kilos> hi smile
[17:06] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[17:11] <somaunn> Kilos: i'm not getting you well
[17:24] <somaunn> Squirm: it is an obligation to use resize2fs after using of lvextend command
[17:25] <Kilos> oh sorry, is vmware like making a virtual drive on your system?
[17:31] <somaunn> Kilos: Yeah
[17:32] <somaunn> it's works even better than Vbox from what i've seen up to now
[17:32] <Kilos> when i wanted to do that here i was told 2 gig ram is not enough
[17:33] <somaunn> Kilos: i just reduced the size of the needed memory to 1024MB and the Vmachine is working like a charm
[17:33] <Kilos> cool
[17:33] <somaunn> Kilos: which os did you tried to install 
[17:33] <somaunn> Kilos: on my VMware i'm running redhat 6.1 beta in full screen no problem
[17:33] <Kilos> i think win 7 into ubuntu virtualbox
[17:34] <Kilos> it worked but was very slow
[17:45] <nuvolari> :O I'm late
[17:45] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[17:45] <nuvolari> lo somaunn 
[17:45] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[17:45] <Kilos>  Next Meeting: Tue, 28 January 20:30, Agenda: http://bit.ly/1bmNi0u
[17:45] <nuvolari> !
[17:46] <charl> good evening
[17:46] <nuvolari> why do my notifications start a week early :-/
[17:46] <nuvolari> I worried for nothing
[17:46] <nuvolari> hello charl 
[17:46] <Kilos> i told you today when you said you would be late
[17:46] <Kilos> hi charl 
[17:49] <Kilos> nuvolari, note its tuesday hey!
[17:51] <charl> hi nuvolari 
[17:51] <charl> hi Kilos 
[17:51] <charl> i just got this sinking feeling when i saw this
[17:51] <charl> http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings
[17:51] <charl> as if, the internet has just been flushed down the drain
[17:51] <Kilos> evening superfly 
[18:00] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:06] <henkj_> hi kilos and superfly 
[18:07] <superfly> hiya henkj_
[18:07] <henkj_> superfly: I should have followed up about nomanini ages ago, but it slipped my mind
[18:08] <henkj_> how's it going?
[18:08] <Kilos> hi henkj_ 
[18:08] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[18:08] <henkj_> good thanks
[18:09] <henkj_> so it's almost time for a new LTS
[18:09] <henkj_> I'm quite comfortable on 12.04
[18:09] <Kilos> yeah
[18:09] <Kilos> me too
[18:09] <Kilos> very stable now
[18:09] <henkj_> yeah, no issues with it really
[18:10] <henkj_> would be nice to get more recent kernels
[18:10] <henkj_> but I can't be bothered to compile my own
[18:11] <Kilos> was a new kernel update 2 weeks ago
[18:12]  * henkj_ checks
[18:17] <Kilos> maybe 3 weeks
[18:17] <inetpro> good evening
[18:18] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:18] <inetpro> hello oom
[18:18] <Kilos> ai!
[18:19] <Kilos> i need to find a linux os thats not so sensitive to dicey drives
[18:20] <Kilos> not today though
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: just stop using dicey drives
[18:24] <Kilos> ai!
[18:24] <Kilos> i like fixing them man
[18:24] <Kilos> but dont enjoy using win to do it
[18:24] <inetpro> sometimes it's not worth it
[18:24] <Kilos> sometimes ya
[18:25] <inetpro> what's the problem?
[18:26] <inetpro> try making multiple smaller partitions
[18:26] <Kilos> i have the 2tb with xp install on it but even running livecds take forever then wanna send crash reports
[18:27] <Kilos> the first bit is ok then there is 200g bad stuff
[18:27] <inetpro> like a partition for /boot, /usr, /home, /var, /usr/local
[18:27] <Kilos> the live cd dont even boot like a live cd man
[18:27] <Kilos> take forever
[18:28] <Kilos> this is a weird bug on this drive
[18:28] <Kilos> i made a 7g part for xp
[18:28] <inetpro> if you can put /boot, /etc and /usr on stable partitions the system should be rock solid
[18:28] <Kilos> and 200m not used
[18:28] <Kilos> the xp installs and calls that 70g d:
[18:29] <Kilos> and makes the bad 200g c:
[18:29] <Kilos> weird
[18:29] <inetpro> good morning magespawn
[18:29] <magespawn> Good day
[18:29] <Kilos> livecd should boot fast but something in the drive upsets it
[18:30] <Kilos> ho magespawn 
[18:30] <Kilos> hi also
[18:31] <Kilos> some one needs to invent a way to make mbr and boot sectors at the end of a drive
[18:33] <Kilos> maybe even just the boot sector
[18:33] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[18:34] <magespawn> i still have the old meeting times on my calender
[18:34] <Kilos> eish
[18:35] <Kilos>  Next Meeting: Tue, 28 January 20:30, Agenda: http://bit.ly/1bmNi0u
[18:35] <magespawn> I also have the new ones so no worries
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> i think this is gonna be an interesting one
[18:36] <Kilos> im sure the fly has some plan
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: so why not use another small drive just for the boot sector?
[18:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:37] <Kilos> space?
[18:37] <Kilos> power
[18:38] <inetpro> ai!
[18:38] <Kilos> i forget that linuc can do that. like first suse i saw
[18:38] <Kilos> booted from floppy
[18:39] <Kilos> i already have 4 drives in the pc
[18:39] <inetpro> all 4 unstable?
[18:39] <Kilos> no man
[18:39] <Kilos> unity kde 12.04
[18:39] <Kilos> and another unity
[18:40] <inetpro> ai!
[18:40] <Kilos> and the 2tb
[18:40] <inetpro> so what is the problem? Anyone of those can hold the mbr
[18:41] <Kilos> ya but when the 2tb is connected even those drives boot very slow and dont show the 2tb in home or gparted
[18:41] <inetpro> you only have one of them physically connected at any one time?
[18:41] <Kilos> only the diskutility sees it
[18:42] <Kilos> i was even wondering if it aint that uefi stuff
[18:42] <inetpro> sounds like you're doing something wrong
[18:42] <Kilos> or a mix uefi and mab
[18:42] <Kilos> mbr
[18:44] <Kilos> while working on it from dvd then i have the others disconnected
[18:44] <Kilos> dont want them maybe corrupted as well
[18:45] <Kilos> but dont forget for 6 months or so it was totally dead hey, now it has xp on at least
[18:46] <Kilos> its like building a kit car bit by bit
[18:47] <inetpro> but you never know when it's gonna fail
[18:48] <Kilos> as long as the mbr and boot sector hold out i will install ubuntu far from any bad stuff
[18:48] <inetpro> anyway, I'm off
[18:48] <Kilos> and run badblocks and stuff
[18:48] <inetpro> good night
[18:48] <Kilos> n ight old man
[18:48] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:49] <magespawn> cheers inetpro
[18:49] <Kilos> no man the pro is going
[18:49] <Kilos> oh sorry
[18:49] <magespawn> Lol
[18:49] <Kilos> i missread that
[18:49] <Kilos> hehe
[19:01] <somaunn> hi nuvolari
[19:02] <somaunn> hi charl
[19:11] <somaunn> Kilos: wich live cd did u use for that operation ?
[19:12] <Kilos> ive tried all the ubuntus from 9.10 to 13.10
[19:13] <Kilos> next will be xfce
[19:15] <somaunn> ok
[19:15] <smile> Kilos: Xfce is great :D
[19:15] <smile> But please don't use Xubuntu :p
[19:15] <smile> it implementation sucks :p
[19:16] <somaunn> Kilos: give a try to gparted and see what will be the result
[19:16] <smile> instead, use Linux Mint Xfce :p
[19:16] <Kilos> trying xubuntu now there
[19:16] <Kilos> hehe
[19:16] <somaunn> i've got similar issues when i tried to fix/recover certain hdd 
[19:16] <Kilos> somaunn, do you use the recovery tools
[19:16] <somaunn> my ubuntu was just useless or get slow or even get stuck somewhere in the beginning
[19:17] <Kilos> testdisk scalpel and foremost
[19:17] <Kilos> 12.04 runs well even on my single core p4
[19:17] <somaunn> yes i do, i sometime use recovery tools but only for peoples who struggle with win
[19:17] <Kilos> ah
[19:18] <somaunn> yes i know a bit about testdisk, not scalpel, not foremost
[19:18] <somaunn> Kilos: yes i know it runs well but you when it to certain operations on hdd i found my ubuntu/fedora wasn't help so much
[19:18] <Kilos> you run testdisk then foremost and foremost fills in what testdisk missed
[19:19] <somaunn> so what i did is; i gave a chance to other distro oriented to hdd only then it works quite well
[19:19] <smile> bye :)
[19:20] <Kilos> bye smile
[19:20] <smile> good night
[19:20] <smile> :)
[19:20] <somaunn> i have 3 distro i'm using for that kind of jog: TRK3 (trinity rescue kit); Gparted, HirenBootCD 
[19:20] <somaunn> they are just good enough
[19:21] <Kilos> i use gparted and have a rescue cd but havent tried it
[19:21] <Kilos> other one i dont know
[19:23] <Kilos> i see now what xp has done here
[19:23] <somaunn> just give it a try 
[19:23] <Kilos> its used sda2 for booting
[19:23] <somaunn> it may help with your problematic hdd
[19:23] <Kilos> sda1 must have probs in
[19:24] <Kilos> is it free somaunn ?
[19:24] <somaunn> yes sure it's free 
[19:24] <Kilos> cool
[19:25] <somaunn> i don't go nonfree tools
[19:25] <Kilos> which one is best there
[19:25] <somaunn> i use opensource to help other
[19:25] <somaunn> but also for my personal day to day job
[19:25] <Kilos> gparted i have
[19:25] <Kilos> partedmagic
[19:25] <somaunn> give a try to hirenbootcd
[19:25] <Kilos> i also have ubcd
[19:26] <somaunn> from what i've read on the internet, gparted is no more free
[19:26] <Kilos> thats good but you gotta learn it first
[19:26] <somaunn> if you want a free version then you only get the older one
[19:26] <Kilos> i have gparted in all ubuntu cds
[19:26] <Kilos> ubuntu comes with it on the live cd/dvd
[19:26] <somaunn> learn what hirenbootcd ? or opensource ?
[19:27] <Kilos> ubcd
[19:27] <Kilos> ultimate boot cd
[19:27] <Kilos> got many tools
[19:28] <Kilos> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html
[19:28] <somaunn> is ubcd a linux based tool ?
[19:29] <Kilos> must be
[19:30] <Kilos> it does nearly everything
[19:30] <Kilos> other good tools are supergrub disk
[19:30] <somaunn> okay
[19:30] <Kilos> can use it to fix mbrs or boot into windowws or linux drives that cant boot
[19:31] <somaunn> long i used ubcd but was running a sort of win Env.
[19:31] <Kilos> ah
[19:33] <Kilos> i think whats wrong with this drive is the boot sector is corrupt but xp boots from a second partition on its own
[19:34] <Kilos> i need a tool to move the boot sector so linux doesnt look for it in sda1
[19:39] <somaunn> Kilos: what brand is the hdd
[19:39] <Kilos> samsung hd204ui
[19:40] <Kilos> there has been lotsa probs with them i see online
[19:40] <Kilos> used to give i/o error all the time but at least now i can do stuff on it
[19:41] <somaunn> ok
[19:41] <Kilos> was super dead
[19:41] <somaunn> then use it as a time to time hdd then 
[19:41] <Kilos> hehe
[19:41] <somaunn> you know what it all about so why u suffer trying to resurect it
[19:42] <Kilos> i wont to get ubuntu on it and work it hard to see if it crasjes or where i can use say 1.5 TB and keep it stable
[19:42] <Kilos> im old and unemployed so its my hobby to fix broken things
[19:42] <somaunn> Kilos: Okay i see, you want to see deep truth about that hdd
[19:42] <Kilos> yea
[19:43] <somaunn> Kilos: you are not old for me, your knowledge compensate the rest
[19:43] <Kilos> no man
[19:43] <somaunn> give a try to fedora; just to see if it works 
[19:43] <Kilos> im 62 and only started learning about pcs about 6 years ago
[19:43] <SilverCode> Kilos: HDD issues?
[19:44] <somaunn> if it works then you know something new if not then you something new too
[19:44] <Kilos> the guys on this channel have helped me fro  total stupid noob
[19:44] <somaunn> Kilos: you are a rock star 
[19:45] <somaunn> i'm 29 and still struggling with linux when you teach me a lot
[19:45] <Kilos> SilverCode, im trying to resurect a discarded 2tb so i got a bigger drive
[19:45] <Kilos> no man somaunn i point you to the right guys thats all
[19:45] <Kilos> im the greeter bot here
[19:45] <somaunn> i did PC/network/security courses and worked for years but still i feel like i know nothing 
[19:46] <SilverCode> Kilos: most important thing I learnt recently about hard drives ... smartctl
[19:46] <somaunn> SilverCode: thank, Kilos you see we all missed that
[19:46] <Kilos> smart dont even wanna look at it. it says trash it
[19:46] <somaunn> Kilos: do a smartclt
[19:46] <Kilos> so ive disabled smart
[19:46] <SilverCode> then trash it :)
[19:47] <Kilos> lol no man i cant afford to trash 2TB. ill try save 1.5tb
[19:47] <SilverCode> smartctl usually tells you that the drive is failing mechanically
[19:48] <SilverCode> so while you may be able to keep it alive for a short time, it will die sooner or later
[19:48] <SilverCode> it isn't like bad sectors
[19:48] <Kilos> my main 500g drive i use also was trash according to smart but i installed xp on the first 20g and then ubuntu and its been running nearly a year i think
[19:49] <SilverCode> that you mark as duds and carry on ... smartctl talks to the firmware on the drive controller which will say if it can or can't reliably save information
[19:49] <Kilos> all ubuntu wants is a stable boot sector
[19:49] <somaunn> Kilos: then do a backup of of what you have there and make ready
[19:49] <Kilos> i have backups somaunn 
[19:50] <somaunn> i personally never trust hdd not passing smartctl check
[19:50] <Kilos> well if i get it going then we see how long it lasts
[19:51] <somaunn> Kilos: i admire you
[19:51] <Kilos> aw ty. its fun playing with stuff other peeps throw away
[19:52] <somaunn> my project for this year is to setup a Server at my place and make it workk like companies server runs
[19:53] <somaunn> dhcp/Ldap/filesrv/printsrv/....
[19:53] <SilverCode> somaunn: heh, hopefully not how most companies servers run :)
[19:53] <somaunn> evething i mean 
[19:53] <Kilos> lol i setup a ubuntu server here but didnt know what to do with it
[19:53] <Kilos> now that drive is running kubuntu
[19:54] <somaunn> that's my project and to do so i choosed Redhat as my main distro on both desktop and server
[19:54] <somaunn> SilverCode: can't get you (remember i'm a french guys)
[19:55] <somaunn> some sentences in very deep english are just mystery for me
[19:55] <SilverCode> somaunn: completely understand
[19:55] <SilverCode> * I
[19:56] <SilverCode> best way to learn about server admin though is to set up a media server
[19:56] <somaunn> a media server ?
[19:56] <SilverCode> teaches firewall rules, port forwarding, cron jobs, scripting
[19:57] <somaunn> tell me more SilverCode
[19:58] <SilverCode> somaunn: for instance, I have a media server plugged into my TV that automatically checks for new TV shows that I specify, townloads them via torrents, renames the files and places them in my XBMC folder and sends me an email saying I have a new episode of X to watch
[19:58] <SilverCode> that server then runs XBMC
[19:58] <Kilos> whew
[19:59] <SilverCode> it also allows me to browse youtube on my tablet on then play it on the TV
[19:59] <SilverCode> or connect to it remotely and ask it to download something
[20:00] <SilverCode> and should my phone ring while I'm watching TV, it pauses the TV and tell me there is an incoming phonecall from X
[20:00] <somaunn> SilverCode: that's fun
[20:00] <SilverCode> somaunn: indeed
[20:00] <SilverCode> somaunn: and well worth the effort .. mostly because you learn so much while doing it
[20:00] <Kilos> wow
[20:01] <somaunn> next year maybe, i wish i will impress my wife and my kids with 
[20:01] <Kilos> ok guys. bed time for me. sleep tight
[20:02] <Kilos> see youall tomorrow
[20:02] <SilverCode> night Kilos 
[20:02] <SilverCode> somaunn: the easy route is to look into Sickbeard
[20:03] <somaunn> this year i've targeted to become an RHCE and develop couples of things in my country arround opensource
[20:03] <somaunn> Sickbeard ? what's that again SilverCode you got to tell me more about
[20:03] <SilverCode> somaunn: what things are you thinking about developing?
[20:04] <somaunn> ok ! first of all increase my linux skills and knowledges
[20:04] <SilverCode> Sickbeard does abour 90% of what I just described, but using news serves instead of torrents :)
[20:05] <somaunn> secondly create (actually re create) the LUG of my town (we don't have one official LUG here)
[20:05] <SilverCode> somaunn: where you from?
[20:06] <somaunn> that's why i want to increase in capacities and knowledges 
[20:06] <somaunn> cuz i know you can't take where never been before
[20:07] <somaunn> Congo Brazzaville 
[20:07] <somaunn> i'm even currently there
[20:09] <SilverCode> looking at Google Maps, you look like you are living near some really scenary
[20:11] <somaunn> really ?
[20:11] <magespawn> Hey all, been lurking a bit
[20:12] <somaunn> hi magespawn
[20:12] <magespawn> Hi somaunn
[20:12] <SilverCode> somaunn: well, yeah, you have that massive delta to your right
[20:12] <magespawn> hi Silvercode
[20:12] <SilverCode> hi magespawn 
[20:13] <magespawn> What phone are you using?
[20:13] <SilverCode> me? Gaalxy SII
[20:13] <SilverCode> *Galaxy
[20:13] <somaunn> an iPhone 4s + ZTE Skate
[20:13] <somaunn> for me
[20:14] <magespawn> So that trick with the tv, are they on a network together ?
[20:14] <somaunn> i guess SilverCode runs a sort of in house wifi network
[20:15] <SilverCode> yeah ... using Yatse
[20:15] <magespawn> Don't know that
[20:15]  * magespawn goes to google
[20:15] <SilverCode> magespawn: very good paid for XBMC remote
[20:15] <SilverCode> well worth the money
[20:15] <magespawn> I see
[20:16] <SilverCode> somaunn: yes, I have most of my electronics connected up via Wifi
[20:16] <SilverCode> to my home network
[20:17] <somaunn> yeah that's great 
[20:18] <somaunn> i actually do that tough i'm sitting into parents house since close a year
[20:18] <somaunn> i wish i will do that when go stay at my place
[20:21] <somaunn> but SilverCode i'm learning a lot 
[20:21] <somaunn> really
[20:22] <magespawn> Right now
[20:22] <magespawn> Silvercode  how does that compare to mediguntu?
[20:22] <magespawn> S/guntu/buntu
[20:25] <magespawn> Good night all
[20:32] <somaunn> night all
[20:32] <somaunn> have to leave now