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valorieahoneybun: a link to scribus? not sure why you posted that05:13
lordievaderGood morning.07:53
apacheloggerit's so tediously hard to get a good amount of opinion out of the mailing list -.-08:41
valorieit's like a vein of gold when there is a great, helpful discussion08:43
apacheloggerlocalization is driving me nuts :@09:22
apachelogger'a new version of kubuntu is available'09:34
apacheloggersome bugs...09:34
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kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1201180] Pressing power button turns off the PC ignoring the presence of another session manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1201180 (by Marco Trevisan (Treviño))11:29
BluesKajHey folks12:09
Riddellalpha 2 testing needed shortly!12:21
BluesKajRiddell, at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha2 ?12:28
RiddellBluesKaj: daily images need testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/12:28
Riddellthey'll need a respin but an smoke test of the current images for more issues would be great12:29
yossarianukhi - is there anywhere to vote for the KDE version for 14.04?12:35
yossarianuk4.14 has my vote...12:36
Riddellyossarianuk: it's not a vote but there's a discussion on the kubuntu-devel mailing list12:37
apacheloggermy oh my, what possibly could this be ;)13:04
Riddella contextless pastebin url, could be dangerous13:05
apacheloggerit's a space ship!13:06
Riddellah, l10n, takes you to the moon!13:06
apacheloggerand there's this13:07
apacheloggerLinking CXX shared library lib/libKubuntu.so13:07
Riddellwhat the heck is libKubuntu?13:07
shadeslayersounds like magic13:08
yofelsounds like fun :D13:08
Riddellshadeslayer: did you get anyone to test suspend without pm-utils installed?13:08
shadeslayerRiddell: no :(13:08
Riddellshadeslayer: did you remove pm-utils?13:08
yofeluh, ping me to do that in the evening13:08
shadeslayerRiddell: and com.upstart.ubuntu keeps disappearing at times for me13:08
shadeslayerRiddell: yes13:08
shadeslayerRiddell: from the seed ? nope13:08
shadeslayerbecause ubuntu still ships it13:09
Riddellshadeslayer: how does that prevent it being removed?13:09
shadeslayer~ » qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart                                                                                                                               shadeslayer@solembum13:09
shadeslayerService 'com.ubuntu.Upstart' does not exist.13:09
shadeslayer^^ so weird 13:09
apacheloggerRiddell: it's for 0000000000003560 T _ZN7Kubuntu4L10n17isSupportCompleteEv13:09
Riddell`qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart`  works for me13:09
shadeslayerRiddell: apparently some scripts from pm-utils do HDD power management stuff13:10
shadeslayersee /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d  and /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d13:10
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah, not sure why I don't have it13:10
shadeslayermuon-updater be broken too :(13:11
Riddellshadeslayer: have you tried turning it off and on again?13:12
shadeslayerRiddell: can't, no com.upstart.ubuntu xD13:12
Riddellshadeslayer: my machine here just shuts down instead of suspending when I use the kickoff menu, but suspends fine when I close the lid, but that's the weird windows uefi machine I'm using while my main laptop gets fixed and for all I know it was always broken13:12
shadeslayerhuh, interesting13:13
shadeslayerI did test suspending, and it worked fine via kickoff13:13
shadeslayer( as well as lid shutdown )13:13
Riddellmm so I may not be the best person to test it13:13
* yofel added a bunch of 4.13 deadlines on trello13:18
sgclarkmorning all13:23
shadeslayerRiddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/125809813:42
ubottuUbuntu bug 1258098 in upstart "D-Bus session bus address not serialised" [Medium,In progress]13:42
shadeslayerexplains the lack of com.ubuntu.Upstart13:42
apacheloggerRiddell: I am going to hardcode UTF8 encoding for setlanguage.sh14:41
apacheloggerI have no clue where Qt/KDE gets the bogus ISO encoding from but there is no sane way to handle this14:41
apacheloggerif someone actually wants to use !utf8 then they simply mustn't use our tools14:41
apachelogger(ubuntu does the same it appears)14:42
sgclarkRiddell: when you have time I need you to look at new kdoctools files, one in PPA is broken.14:48
Riddellsgclark: looking at the review comments now on https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/115065/14:54
Riddellsgclark: but you have a new package in your ubuntu one share?14:54
sgclarkRiddell: a few , but kdoctools mmost important14:55
apacheloggerRiddell: git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/libkubuntu15:10
apacheloggervery much work in progress, but it actually can replace 90% of the KCM logic already15:11
Riddellapachelogger: why does it need a separate library?15:11
apacheloggerplus all the tech for providing "yo, your translations be incomplete, want me to fix dat?" notifications15:11
Riddellapachelogger: I'd call it libkubuntui18n, just libkubuntu is quite generic15:12
apacheloggerit aint15:12
apacheloggerlibkubuntu is supposed to be generic15:12
apacheloggerI am not going around creating random libraries whenever we need a library :P15:12
Riddellok fair enough15:13
apacheloggerRiddell: anywho... as to why we need a library for l10n to begin with a) incompleteness of support notifications cannot be issued by the KCM as the KCM requires a user to start it ;) b) the more rubbish I get moved outside the locale patch the easier it is to fiddle it into upstreamable genericism15:14
RiddellI like your thinking15:15
apacheloggeroh, also c) having it littered all over the place in the KCM makes it hard to reuse the logic in the future15:15
apacheloggeri.e. someone would have to detangle it then, rather than me now15:15
* apachelogger afk for coffee break15:16
Riddellgosh KF5 alpha 1 next week15:25
yofel!testers | 4.12.1 is done in ninjas for saucy15:32
ubottu4.12.1 is done in ninjas for saucy: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se  for information15:32
yofelworks fine for me15:32
soeeRiddell: thats bad ? :)15:33
Riddellmore work! eek!15:34
Riddellwe need to clone sgclark 15:34
sgclarkI have a bunch ready waiting for kdoctools!15:35
Riddellsgclark: sorry will get on it next15:36
Riddellkf5 meeting in #kde-devel now should you be interested15:36
Riddellsgclark: tsk, should have been s/he's/here's/15:37
sgclarkahh sorry15:37
soeethe current kernel 3.13 is stable or RC ?15:42
yofel3.13.0-5.20 is v3.13 according to the changelog15:44
Riddellsgclark: what's the issue with kdoctools? the package in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages compiles fine15:48
sgclarkremember we had to change the kde5/apps data path, that one is compiled with bad path15:49
sgclarkin turn breaking everything15:49
sgclarkRiddell: If a package has multiple .so files do I need to split it up or something? lintian exploded on KIO heh15:52
Riddellsgclark: for shared libaries we generally make 1 package per library15:53
Riddellfor plugins we generally stick those in the library package that most suits it15:54
Riddellplugins go into /usr/lib/*/kde5/15:54
Riddelllibraries in /usr/lib/*/libfoo.so15:54
Riddellsgclark: pastebin the file list if you want a review15:54
sgclarkRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792288/15:57
sgclarkRiddell: so just add all the extra packages in control right?15:58
Riddellsgclark: yes, 4 different lib packages15:59
Riddellsgclark: but only 1 -dev needed15:59
sgclarkRiddell: ok thank you15:59
Riddelland maybe a kio-plugins for usr/lib/*/kde5/* and usr/lib/*/qt5/*15:59
Riddellwhat's in usr/bin ?15:59
sgclarkRiddell: kcookiejar5 kmailservice ktelenetservice executables16:00
Riddellso I think 1 package with the plugins and share files and the binaries16:02
Riddellnot sure what to call it though16:02
Riddellkio-kioslaves ?16:02
Riddellkio-plugins ?16:02
Riddellwe have kdesdk-kio-plugins from kde416:03
sgclarklets stick with kf5kio-plugins then16:03
Riddellsgclark: new kdoctools uploaded16:04
sgclarkRiddell: thanks!16:05
Riddellyour package wasn't synced to the ppa so I just changed the install path from the one in the ppa16:05
Riddellsgclark: your kpty package should have the build-deps updated for the ones that were renamed libfoo5-dev to libfoo-dev16:05
* Riddell does so#16:06
BluesKajhad to revert to the 3.13.0-4-generic kernel, splash screen process froze at the hdd icon on the 3.13.0-5-generic kernel16:09
Riddellsgclark: did you get this "exclude" syntax from somewhere? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792344/16:10
BluesKajthe default  Air and Elarun Splash Screen that is16:10
sgclarkRiddell: copyright helper16:11
Riddellsgclark: ok I've not seen that before but I assume it knows what it's doing16:11
Riddellsgclark: kpty uploaded!16:12
sgclarkRiddell: ty, kcompletion was not installing dev files because the install file was icorrectly named16:17
Riddellsgclark: kcompletion uploaded!16:20
sgclarkRiddell: ty very much16:20
Riddellooh new isos!16:26
Riddell!testers | alpha 2 candidates16:26
ubottualpha 2 candidates: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se  for information16:26
soeecool, sadly for me lightdm not working :/16:28
Riddellsoee: on the images?16:29
soeeRiddell: no didnt test images16:29
sgclarkRiddell: what was the error on kpty?16:30
lordievaderUsing kvm to test is fine right?16:32
lordievaderTest Alpha2 I mean.16:32
Riddellsgclark: build-depens libkf5ki18n5-dev -> libkf5ki18n-dev16:36
Riddelland for widgetcore516:37
sgclarkRiddell: ahh ok, that keeps biting me, sorry16:37
Riddelllordievader: yes that's all useful16:38
lordievaderOk great :D16:39
sgclarkRiddell: something is going on with kcoreaddons amd64 build on PPA. It fails a test, I ran it here on pbuilder and everything passes and builds. not sure what to do now17:15
Riddellis that the one which moans about /root/.ssh ?17:16
sgclarkand I have depnds on it so holding me up :(17:17
Riddellit seems to only fail sometimes17:18
Riddelland pass other times17:18
Riddellin the PPA builder17:18
Riddellmm it gets a timeout17:19
Riddellthe build log shows it actually does get the signal sent but it still timesout17:21
Riddellwell probably easiest if we just disable that test :(17:21
Riddellsgclark: uploaded with test disabled17:24
jussiRiddell: glad you like them. hope they stick nicely17:25
jussieven with the tax, for that quality it was pretty decently priced methinks.17:26
jussiapachelogger: Im under the influence of drugs/medication at the moment - Im hoping to get that activities thing done once Im better. but if someone else has nothign to do and can do it, I really dont mind17:27
Riddelljussi: a nice addition to this laptop17:27
sgclarkRiddell: thank you, I donn't see it scheduled for a build, how long does that usually take?17:29
Riddellsgclark: I made a typo during upload, trying again17:30
sgclarkRiddell: ok :)17:30
Riddellusually takes < 5 minutes I think17:30
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sgclarkRiddell: kconfigwidgets is ready for you, alot depend on this one.19:13
Riddellsgclark: needs build-dep on libkf5codecs-dev19:17
sgclarkRiddell: hmm it does19:19
sgclarkRiddell: it is listed in control file, not sure what you mean19:20
Riddellsgclark: oh yes, ignore me19:20
sgclarklol ok19:20
Riddellsgclark: lovely, uploaded!19:27
sgclarkRiddell: kwindowsystem update, removed the 5 from the dev binary19:30
sgclarkRiddell: kdbusaddons as well removed 5 from -dev package19:39
sgclarkRiddell: knotification for after kwindowsystem for dependency20:05
sgclarkRiddell: again for kcrash20:07
sgclarkRiddell: ^^ kwallet_framework20:11
lordievaderRiddell: Alpha2 installs nicely on KVM :)20:21
Riddelllordievader: great20:31
Riddellsgclark: thanks, I think I'll have to get to them tomorrow, off out not20:32
sgclarkRiddell: no problem20:39
ahoneybun_Riddell: lordievader can I test the images in a VM?20:39
lordievaderahoneybun_: Jup, tested here with KVM. Starting to like KVM :)20:40
ahoneybun_Riddell: want me to make a banner for the 14.04 release?20:41
ahoneybun_lordievader: where are the images?20:42
ahoneybun_http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/ just alpha 120:42
lordievaderahoneybun_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com20:42
ahoneybun_lordievader: very nice page full of great info20:43
BluesKajok the new alpha2 default kernel is 3.13.0-5-generic?21:03
BluesKajI don't install dailies, just update/upgrade and dist-upgrade, assuming that should be sufficient 21:05
soeeBluesKaj: yes i had this update today21:10
soeeto 3.13.0-521:10
BluesKajsoee, yeah, i have it on kubuntu 14.04 and ubuntu 14.0421:12
BluesKajtesting gnome3 just for fun, guess I'm getting bored :)21:15
BluesKajstill not my cup of tea though21:16
soeei left that part behind me like 2 years ago, i switched to gnome, different distros and in  the end21:18
soeealways back to Kubuntu21:18
soeesimply the best kde distro 21:18
BluesKajkde is so much more flexible configuration-wise than unity and gnome. I really don't understand the kind of loyalty it has 21:20
BluesKajgnome that is21:20
BluesKajunity is alost cause IMO, it's really quite hopeless21:21
ahoneybun_I like the design in GNOME 3 but the feature are so low21:22
BluesKajyeah, not enough to keep me using it as a main desktop21:24
BluesKajI'm too used to kde to change now 21:25
soeei wonder how the next version will work based on kf521:26
BluesKajkf5 looks like an interesting project, has anyone tried to implement it along with the Qt5 release the other day21:42
* ahoneybun_ is going to test the new alpha in a vm as soon as it downloads22:24
Riddellahoneybun_: do report any results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds/61646/testcases23:03

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