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| valorie | ahoneybun: a link to scribus? not sure why you posted that | 05:13 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 07:53 |
| apachelogger | it's so tediously hard to get a good amount of opinion out of the mailing list -.- | 08:41 |
| valorie | indeed | 08:42 |
| valorie | it's like a vein of gold when there is a great, helpful discussion | 08:43 |
| apachelogger | localization is driving me nuts :@ | 09:22 |
| apachelogger | 'a new version of kubuntu is available' | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | ... | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | some bugs... | 09:34 |
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| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1201180] Pressing power button turns off the PC ignoring the presence of another session manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1201180 (by Marco Trevisan (Treviño)) | 11:29 |
| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 12:09 |
| Riddell | alpha 2 testing needed shortly! | 12:21 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha2 ? | 12:28 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: daily images need testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ | 12:28 |
| Riddell | they'll need a respin but an smoke test of the current images for more issues would be great | 12:29 |
| yossarianuk | hi - is there anywhere to vote for the KDE version for 14.04? | 12:35 |
| yossarianuk | 4.14 has my vote... | 12:36 |
| yossarianuk | *4.13* | 12:36 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: it's not a vote but there's a discussion on the kubuntu-devel mailing list | 12:37 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6791488/ | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | my oh my, what possibly could this be ;) | 13:04 |
| Riddell | a contextless pastebin url, could be dangerous | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | it's a space ship! | 13:06 |
| Riddell | ah, l10n, takes you to the moon! | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | and there's this | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | Linking CXX shared library lib/libKubuntu.so | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | :O | 13:07 |
| Riddell | what the heck is libKubuntu? | 13:07 |
| shadeslayer | sounds like magic | 13:08 |
| yofel | sounds like fun :D | 13:08 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: did you get anyone to test suspend without pm-utils installed? | 13:08 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: no :( | 13:08 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: did you remove pm-utils? | 13:08 |
| yofel | uh, ping me to do that in the evening | 13:08 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: and com.upstart.ubuntu keeps disappearing at times for me | 13:08 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yes | 13:08 |
| shadeslayer | erm | 13:08 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: from the seed ? nope | 13:08 |
| shadeslayer | because ubuntu still ships it | 13:09 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: how does that prevent it being removed? | 13:09 |
| shadeslayer | ~ » qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart shadeslayer@solembum | 13:09 |
| shadeslayer | Service 'com.ubuntu.Upstart' does not exist. | 13:09 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ so weird | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it's for 0000000000003560 T _ZN7Kubuntu4L10n17isSupportCompleteEv | 13:09 |
| Riddell | `qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart` works for me | 13:09 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: apparently some scripts from pm-utils do HDD power management stuff | 13:10 |
| shadeslayer | see /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d and /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d | 13:10 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yeah, not sure why I don't have it | 13:10 |
| shadeslayer | muon-updater be broken too :( | 13:11 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: have you tried turning it off and on again? | 13:12 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: can't, no com.upstart.ubuntu xD | 13:12 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: my machine here just shuts down instead of suspending when I use the kickoff menu, but suspends fine when I close the lid, but that's the weird windows uefi machine I'm using while my main laptop gets fixed and for all I know it was always broken | 13:12 |
| shadeslayer | huh, interesting | 13:13 |
| shadeslayer | I did test suspending, and it worked fine via kickoff | 13:13 |
| shadeslayer | ( as well as lid shutdown ) | 13:13 |
| Riddell | mm so I may not be the best person to test it | 13:13 |
| * yofel added a bunch of 4.13 deadlines on trello | 13:18 | |
| sgclark | morning all | 13:23 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/1258098 | 13:42 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1258098 in upstart "D-Bus session bus address not serialised" [Medium,In progress] | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | explains the lack of com.ubuntu.Upstart | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I am going to hardcode UTF8 encoding for setlanguage.sh | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | I have no clue where Qt/KDE gets the bogus ISO encoding from but there is no sane way to handle this | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | if someone actually wants to use !utf8 then they simply mustn't use our tools | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | (ubuntu does the same it appears) | 14:42 |
| sgclark | Riddell: when you have time I need you to look at new kdoctools files, one in PPA is broken. | 14:48 |
| Riddell | sgclark: looking at the review comments now on https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/115065/ | 14:54 |
| Riddell | sgclark: but you have a new package in your ubuntu one share? | 14:54 |
| sgclark | Riddell: a few , but kdoctools mmost important | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/libkubuntu | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | very much work in progress, but it actually can replace 90% of the KCM logic already | 15:11 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: why does it need a separate library? | 15:11 |
| apachelogger | plus all the tech for providing "yo, your translations be incomplete, want me to fix dat?" notifications | 15:11 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'd call it libkubuntui18n, just libkubuntu is quite generic | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | it aint | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | https://trello.com/c/uelBh2rX | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | libkubuntu is supposed to be generic | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | I am not going around creating random libraries whenever we need a library :P | 15:12 |
| Riddell | ok fair enough | 15:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: anywho... as to why we need a library for l10n to begin with a) incompleteness of support notifications cannot be issued by the KCM as the KCM requires a user to start it ;) b) the more rubbish I get moved outside the locale patch the easier it is to fiddle it into upstreamable genericism | 15:14 |
| Riddell | I like your thinking | 15:15 |
| apachelogger | oh, also c) having it littered all over the place in the KCM makes it hard to reuse the logic in the future | 15:15 |
| apachelogger | i.e. someone would have to detangle it then, rather than me now | 15:15 |
| * apachelogger afk for coffee break | 15:16 | |
| soee | :) | 15:16 |
| Riddell | gosh KF5 alpha 1 next week | 15:25 |
| yofel | btw | 15:32 |
| yofel | !testers | 4.12.1 is done in ninjas for saucy | 15:32 |
| ubottu | 4.12.1 is done in ninjas for saucy: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se for information | 15:32 |
| yofel | works fine for me | 15:32 |
| soee | Riddell: thats bad ? :) | 15:33 |
| Riddell | more work! eek! | 15:34 |
| Riddell | we need to clone sgclark | 15:34 |
| sgclark | I have a bunch ready waiting for kdoctools! | 15:35 |
| Riddell | sgclark: sorry will get on it next | 15:36 |
| Riddell | kf5 meeting in #kde-devel now should you be interested | 15:36 |
| sgclark | ok | 15:36 |
| Riddell | sgclark: tsk, should have been s/he's/here's/ | 15:37 |
| sgclark | ahh sorry | 15:37 |
| soee | the current kernel 3.13 is stable or RC ? | 15:42 |
| yofel | 3.13.0-5.20 is v3.13 according to the changelog | 15:44 |
| Riddell | sgclark: what's the issue with kdoctools? the package in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages compiles fine | 15:48 |
| sgclark | remember we had to change the kde5/apps data path, that one is compiled with bad path | 15:49 |
| sgclark | in turn breaking everything | 15:49 |
| Riddell | aah | 15:51 |
| sgclark | Riddell: If a package has multiple .so files do I need to split it up or something? lintian exploded on KIO heh | 15:52 |
| Riddell | sgclark: for shared libaries we generally make 1 package per library | 15:53 |
| Riddell | for plugins we generally stick those in the library package that most suits it | 15:54 |
| Riddell | plugins go into /usr/lib/*/kde5/ | 15:54 |
| Riddell | libraries in /usr/lib/*/libfoo.so | 15:54 |
| Riddell | sgclark: pastebin the file list if you want a review | 15:54 |
| sgclark | ok | 15:54 |
| sgclark | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792288/ | 15:57 |
| sgclark | Riddell: so just add all the extra packages in control right? | 15:58 |
| Riddell | sgclark: yes, 4 different lib packages | 15:59 |
| Riddell | sgclark: but only 1 -dev needed | 15:59 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok thank you | 15:59 |
| Riddell | and maybe a kio-plugins for usr/lib/*/kde5/* and usr/lib/*/qt5/* | 15:59 |
| Riddell | what's in usr/bin ? | 15:59 |
| sgclark | Riddell: kcookiejar5 kmailservice ktelenetservice executables | 16:00 |
| Riddell | so I think 1 package with the plugins and share files and the binaries | 16:02 |
| Riddell | not sure what to call it though | 16:02 |
| Riddell | kio-kioslaves ? | 16:02 |
| Riddell | kio-slaves? | 16:02 |
| Riddell | kio-plugins ? | 16:02 |
| Riddell | we have kdesdk-kio-plugins from kde4 | 16:03 |
| sgclark | lets stick with kf5kio-plugins then | 16:03 |
| Riddell | groovy | 16:03 |
| Riddell | sgclark: new kdoctools uploaded | 16:04 |
| sgclark | Riddell: thanks! | 16:05 |
| Riddell | your package wasn't synced to the ppa so I just changed the install path from the one in the ppa | 16:05 |
| Riddell | sgclark: your kpty package should have the build-deps updated for the ones that were renamed libfoo5-dev to libfoo-dev | 16:05 |
| * Riddell does so# | 16:06 | |
| BluesKaj | had to revert to the 3.13.0-4-generic kernel, splash screen process froze at the hdd icon on the 3.13.0-5-generic kernel | 16:09 |
| Riddell | sgclark: did you get this "exclude" syntax from somewhere? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792344/ | 16:10 |
| BluesKaj | the default Air and Elarun Splash Screen that is | 16:10 |
| sgclark | Riddell: copyright helper | 16:11 |
| Riddell | sgclark: ok I've not seen that before but I assume it knows what it's doing | 16:11 |
| Riddell | sgclark: kpty uploaded! | 16:12 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ty, kcompletion was not installing dev files because the install file was icorrectly named | 16:17 |
| Riddell | sgclark: kcompletion uploaded! | 16:20 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ty very much | 16:20 |
| Riddell | ooh new isos! | 16:26 |
| Riddell | !testers | alpha 2 candidates | 16:26 |
| ubottu | alpha 2 candidates: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se for information | 16:26 |
| soee | cool, sadly for me lightdm not working :/ | 16:28 |
| Riddell | soee: on the images? | 16:29 |
| soee | Riddell: no didnt test images | 16:29 |
| sgclark | Riddell: what was the error on kpty? | 16:30 |
| lordievader | Using kvm to test is fine right? | 16:32 |
| lordievader | Test Alpha2 I mean. | 16:32 |
| Riddell | sgclark: build-depens libkf5ki18n5-dev -> libkf5ki18n-dev | 16:36 |
| Riddell | and for widgetcore5 | 16:37 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ahh ok, that keeps biting me, sorry | 16:37 |
| Riddell | lordievader: yes that's all useful | 16:38 |
| lordievader | Ok great :D | 16:39 |
| sgclark | Riddell: something is going on with kcoreaddons amd64 build on PPA. It fails a test, I ran it here on pbuilder and everything passes and builds. not sure what to do now | 17:15 |
| Riddell | is that the one which moans about /root/.ssh ? | 17:16 |
| sgclark | yes | 17:17 |
| sgclark | and I have depnds on it so holding me up :( | 17:17 |
| Riddell | it seems to only fail sometimes | 17:18 |
| Riddell | and pass other times | 17:18 |
| Riddell | in the PPA builder | 17:18 |
| Riddell | mm it gets a timeout | 17:19 |
| Riddell | the build log shows it actually does get the signal sent but it still timesout | 17:21 |
| Riddell | well probably easiest if we just disable that test :( | 17:21 |
| Riddell | sgclark: uploaded with test disabled | 17:24 |
| jussi | Riddell: glad you like them. hope they stick nicely | 17:25 |
| jussi | even with the tax, for that quality it was pretty decently priced methinks. | 17:26 |
| jussi | apachelogger: Im under the influence of drugs/medication at the moment - Im hoping to get that activities thing done once Im better. but if someone else has nothign to do and can do it, I really dont mind | 17:27 |
| Riddell | jussi: a nice addition to this laptop | 17:27 |
| jussi | :=) | 17:27 |
| sgclark | Riddell: thank you, I donn't see it scheduled for a build, how long does that usually take? | 17:29 |
| Riddell | sgclark: I made a typo during upload, trying again | 17:30 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok :) | 17:30 |
| Riddell | usually takes < 5 minutes I think | 17:30 |
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| sgclark | Riddell: kconfigwidgets is ready for you, alot depend on this one. | 19:13 |
| Riddell | lovely | 19:15 |
| Riddell | sgclark: needs build-dep on libkf5codecs-dev | 19:17 |
| sgclark | Riddell: hmm it does | 19:19 |
| sgclark | Riddell: it is listed in control file, not sure what you mean | 19:20 |
| Riddell | sgclark: oh yes, ignore me | 19:20 |
| sgclark | lol ok | 19:20 |
| Riddell | sgclark: lovely, uploaded! | 19:27 |
| sgclark | thanks! | 19:27 |
| sgclark | Riddell: kwindowsystem update, removed the 5 from the dev binary | 19:30 |
| sgclark | Riddell: kdbusaddons as well removed 5 from -dev package | 19:39 |
| sgclark | Riddell: knotification for after kwindowsystem for dependency | 20:05 |
| sgclark | Riddell: again for kcrash | 20:07 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ^^ kwallet_framework | 20:11 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Alpha2 installs nicely on KVM :) | 20:21 |
| Riddell | lordievader: great | 20:31 |
| Riddell | sgclark: thanks, I think I'll have to get to them tomorrow, off out not | 20:32 |
| sgclark | Riddell: no problem | 20:39 |
| ahoneybun_ | Riddell: lordievader can I test the images in a VM? | 20:39 |
| lordievader | ahoneybun_: Jup, tested here with KVM. Starting to like KVM :) | 20:40 |
| ahoneybun_ | sweet | 20:41 |
| ahoneybun_ | Riddell: want me to make a banner for the 14.04 release? | 20:41 |
| ahoneybun_ | lordievader: where are the images? | 20:42 |
| ahoneybun_ | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/ just alpha 1 | 20:42 |
| lordievader | ahoneybun_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com | 20:42 |
| ahoneybun_ | lordievader: very nice page full of great info | 20:43 |
| BluesKaj | ok the new alpha2 default kernel is 3.13.0-5-generic? | 21:03 |
| BluesKaj | I don't install dailies, just update/upgrade and dist-upgrade, assuming that should be sufficient | 21:05 |
| soee | BluesKaj: yes i had this update today | 21:10 |
| soee | to 3.13.0-5 | 21:10 |
| BluesKaj | soee, yeah, i have it on kubuntu 14.04 and ubuntu 14.04 | 21:12 |
| BluesKaj | testing gnome3 just for fun, guess I'm getting bored :) | 21:15 |
| BluesKaj | still not my cup of tea though | 21:16 |
| soee | :) | 21:17 |
| soee | i left that part behind me like 2 years ago, i switched to gnome, different distros and in the end | 21:18 |
| soee | always back to Kubuntu | 21:18 |
| soee | simply the best kde distro | 21:18 |
| BluesKaj | kde is so much more flexible configuration-wise than unity and gnome. I really don't understand the kind of loyalty it has | 21:20 |
| BluesKaj | gnome that is | 21:20 |
| BluesKaj | unity is alost cause IMO, it's really quite hopeless | 21:21 |
| ahoneybun_ | I like the design in GNOME 3 but the feature are so low | 21:22 |
| ahoneybun_ | *features | 21:22 |
| BluesKaj | yeah, not enough to keep me using it as a main desktop | 21:24 |
| BluesKaj | I'm too used to kde to change now | 21:25 |
| soee | i wonder how the next version will work based on kf5 | 21:26 |
| BluesKaj | kf5 looks like an interesting project, has anyone tried to implement it along with the Qt5 release the other day | 21:42 |
| BluesKaj | ? | 21:43 |
| * ahoneybun_ is going to test the new alpha in a vm as soon as it downloads | 22:24 | |
| Riddell | ahoneybun_: do report any results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds/61646/testcases | 23:03 |
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