=== jalcine_ is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as jacky [05:13] ahoneybun: a link to scribus? not sure why you posted that [07:53] Good morning. [08:41] it's so tediously hard to get a good amount of opinion out of the mailing list -.- [08:42] indeed [08:43] it's like a vein of gold when there is a great, helpful discussion [09:22] localization is driving me nuts :@ [09:34] 'a new version of kubuntu is available' [09:34] ... [09:34] some bugs... === mamarley_ is now known as mamarley [11:29] ::workspace-bugs:: [1201180] Pressing power button turns off the PC ignoring the presence of another session manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1201180 (by Marco Trevisan (Treviño)) [12:09] Hey folks [12:21] alpha 2 testing needed shortly! [12:28] Riddell, at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha2 ? [12:28] BluesKaj: daily images need testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ [12:29] they'll need a respin but an smoke test of the current images for more issues would be great [12:35] hi - is there anywhere to vote for the KDE version for 14.04? [12:36] 4.14 has my vote... [12:36] *4.13* [12:37] yossarianuk: it's not a vote but there's a discussion on the kubuntu-devel mailing list [13:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6791488/ [13:04] my oh my, what possibly could this be ;) [13:05] a contextless pastebin url, could be dangerous [13:06] it's a space ship! [13:06] ah, l10n, takes you to the moon! [13:07] and there's this [13:07] Linking CXX shared library lib/libKubuntu.so [13:07] :O [13:07] what the heck is libKubuntu? [13:08] sounds like magic [13:08] sounds like fun :D [13:08] shadeslayer: did you get anyone to test suspend without pm-utils installed? [13:08] Riddell: no :( [13:08] shadeslayer: did you remove pm-utils? [13:08] uh, ping me to do that in the evening [13:08] Riddell: and com.upstart.ubuntu keeps disappearing at times for me [13:08] Riddell: yes [13:08] erm [13:08] Riddell: from the seed ? nope [13:09] because ubuntu still ships it [13:09] shadeslayer: how does that prevent it being removed? [13:09] ~ » qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart shadeslayer@solembum [13:09] Service 'com.ubuntu.Upstart' does not exist. [13:09] ^^ so weird [13:09] Riddell: it's for 0000000000003560 T _ZN7Kubuntu4L10n17isSupportCompleteEv [13:09] `qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart` works for me [13:10] Riddell: apparently some scripts from pm-utils do HDD power management stuff [13:10] see /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d and /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d [13:10] Riddell: yeah, not sure why I don't have it [13:11] muon-updater be broken too :( [13:12] shadeslayer: have you tried turning it off and on again? [13:12] Riddell: can't, no com.upstart.ubuntu xD [13:12] shadeslayer: my machine here just shuts down instead of suspending when I use the kickoff menu, but suspends fine when I close the lid, but that's the weird windows uefi machine I'm using while my main laptop gets fixed and for all I know it was always broken [13:13] huh, interesting [13:13] I did test suspending, and it worked fine via kickoff [13:13] ( as well as lid shutdown ) [13:13] mm so I may not be the best person to test it [13:18] * yofel added a bunch of 4.13 deadlines on trello [13:23] morning all [13:42] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/1258098 [13:42] Ubuntu bug 1258098 in upstart "D-Bus session bus address not serialised" [Medium,In progress] [13:42] explains the lack of com.ubuntu.Upstart [14:41] Riddell: I am going to hardcode UTF8 encoding for setlanguage.sh [14:41] I have no clue where Qt/KDE gets the bogus ISO encoding from but there is no sane way to handle this [14:41] if someone actually wants to use !utf8 then they simply mustn't use our tools [14:42] (ubuntu does the same it appears) [14:48] Riddell: when you have time I need you to look at new kdoctools files, one in PPA is broken. [14:54] sgclark: looking at the review comments now on https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/115065/ [14:54] sgclark: but you have a new package in your ubuntu one share? [14:55] Riddell: a few , but kdoctools mmost important [15:10] Riddell: git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/libkubuntu [15:11] very much work in progress, but it actually can replace 90% of the KCM logic already [15:11] apachelogger: why does it need a separate library? [15:11] plus all the tech for providing "yo, your translations be incomplete, want me to fix dat?" notifications [15:12] apachelogger: I'd call it libkubuntui18n, just libkubuntu is quite generic [15:12] it aint [15:12] https://trello.com/c/uelBh2rX [15:12] libkubuntu is supposed to be generic [15:12] I am not going around creating random libraries whenever we need a library :P [15:13] ok fair enough [15:14] Riddell: anywho... as to why we need a library for l10n to begin with a) incompleteness of support notifications cannot be issued by the KCM as the KCM requires a user to start it ;) b) the more rubbish I get moved outside the locale patch the easier it is to fiddle it into upstreamable genericism [15:15] I like your thinking [15:15] oh, also c) having it littered all over the place in the KCM makes it hard to reuse the logic in the future [15:15] i.e. someone would have to detangle it then, rather than me now [15:16] * apachelogger afk for coffee break [15:16] :) [15:25] gosh KF5 alpha 1 next week [15:32] btw [15:32] !testers | 4.12.1 is done in ninjas for saucy [15:32] 4.12.1 is done in ninjas for saucy: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se for information [15:32] works fine for me [15:33] Riddell: thats bad ? :) [15:34] more work! eek! [15:34] we need to clone sgclark [15:35] I have a bunch ready waiting for kdoctools! [15:36] sgclark: sorry will get on it next [15:36] kf5 meeting in #kde-devel now should you be interested [15:36] ok [15:37] sgclark: tsk, should have been s/he's/here's/ [15:37] ahh sorry [15:42] the current kernel 3.13 is stable or RC ? [15:44] 3.13.0-5.20 is v3.13 according to the changelog [15:48] sgclark: what's the issue with kdoctools? the package in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages compiles fine [15:49] remember we had to change the kde5/apps data path, that one is compiled with bad path [15:49] in turn breaking everything [15:51] aah [15:52] Riddell: If a package has multiple .so files do I need to split it up or something? lintian exploded on KIO heh [15:53] sgclark: for shared libaries we generally make 1 package per library [15:54] for plugins we generally stick those in the library package that most suits it [15:54] plugins go into /usr/lib/*/kde5/ [15:54] libraries in /usr/lib/*/libfoo.so [15:54] sgclark: pastebin the file list if you want a review [15:54] ok [15:57] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792288/ [15:58] Riddell: so just add all the extra packages in control right? [15:59] sgclark: yes, 4 different lib packages [15:59] sgclark: but only 1 -dev needed [15:59] Riddell: ok thank you [15:59] and maybe a kio-plugins for usr/lib/*/kde5/* and usr/lib/*/qt5/* [15:59] what's in usr/bin ? [16:00] Riddell: kcookiejar5 kmailservice ktelenetservice executables [16:02] so I think 1 package with the plugins and share files and the binaries [16:02] not sure what to call it though [16:02] kio-kioslaves ? [16:02] kio-slaves? [16:02] kio-plugins ? [16:03] we have kdesdk-kio-plugins from kde4 [16:03] lets stick with kf5kio-plugins then [16:03] groovy [16:04] sgclark: new kdoctools uploaded [16:05] Riddell: thanks! [16:05] your package wasn't synced to the ppa so I just changed the install path from the one in the ppa [16:05] sgclark: your kpty package should have the build-deps updated for the ones that were renamed libfoo5-dev to libfoo-dev [16:06] * Riddell does so# [16:09] had to revert to the 3.13.0-4-generic kernel, splash screen process froze at the hdd icon on the 3.13.0-5-generic kernel [16:10] sgclark: did you get this "exclude" syntax from somewhere? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792344/ [16:10] the default Air and Elarun Splash Screen that is [16:11] Riddell: copyright helper [16:11] sgclark: ok I've not seen that before but I assume it knows what it's doing [16:12] sgclark: kpty uploaded! [16:17] Riddell: ty, kcompletion was not installing dev files because the install file was icorrectly named [16:20] sgclark: kcompletion uploaded! [16:20] Riddell: ty very much [16:26] ooh new isos! [16:26] !testers | alpha 2 candidates [16:26] alpha 2 candidates: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se for information [16:28] cool, sadly for me lightdm not working :/ [16:29] soee: on the images? [16:29] Riddell: no didnt test images [16:30] Riddell: what was the error on kpty? [16:32] Using kvm to test is fine right? [16:32] Test Alpha2 I mean. [16:36] sgclark: build-depens libkf5ki18n5-dev -> libkf5ki18n-dev [16:37] and for widgetcore5 [16:37] Riddell: ahh ok, that keeps biting me, sorry [16:38] lordievader: yes that's all useful [16:39] Ok great :D [17:15] Riddell: something is going on with kcoreaddons amd64 build on PPA. It fails a test, I ran it here on pbuilder and everything passes and builds. not sure what to do now [17:16] is that the one which moans about /root/.ssh ? [17:17] yes [17:17] and I have depnds on it so holding me up :( [17:18] it seems to only fail sometimes [17:18] and pass other times [17:18] in the PPA builder [17:19] mm it gets a timeout [17:21] the build log shows it actually does get the signal sent but it still timesout [17:21] well probably easiest if we just disable that test :( [17:24] sgclark: uploaded with test disabled [17:25] Riddell: glad you like them. hope they stick nicely [17:26] even with the tax, for that quality it was pretty decently priced methinks. [17:27] apachelogger: Im under the influence of drugs/medication at the moment - Im hoping to get that activities thing done once Im better. but if someone else has nothign to do and can do it, I really dont mind [17:27] jussi: a nice addition to this laptop [17:27] :=) [17:29] Riddell: thank you, I donn't see it scheduled for a build, how long does that usually take? [17:30] sgclark: I made a typo during upload, trying again [17:30] Riddell: ok :) [17:30] usually takes < 5 minutes I think === jalcine is now known as Jacky [19:13] Riddell: kconfigwidgets is ready for you, alot depend on this one. [19:15] lovely [19:17] sgclark: needs build-dep on libkf5codecs-dev [19:19] Riddell: hmm it does [19:20] Riddell: it is listed in control file, not sure what you mean [19:20] sgclark: oh yes, ignore me [19:20] lol ok [19:27] sgclark: lovely, uploaded! [19:27] thanks! [19:30] Riddell: kwindowsystem update, removed the 5 from the dev binary [19:39] Riddell: kdbusaddons as well removed 5 from -dev package [20:05] Riddell: knotification for after kwindowsystem for dependency [20:07] Riddell: again for kcrash [20:11] Riddell: ^^ kwallet_framework [20:21] Riddell: Alpha2 installs nicely on KVM :) [20:31] lordievader: great [20:32] sgclark: thanks, I think I'll have to get to them tomorrow, off out not [20:39] Riddell: no problem [20:39] Riddell: lordievader can I test the images in a VM? [20:40] ahoneybun_: Jup, tested here with KVM. Starting to like KVM :) [20:41] sweet [20:41] Riddell: want me to make a banner for the 14.04 release? [20:42] lordievader: where are the images? [20:42] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/ just alpha 1 [20:42] ahoneybun_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com [20:43] lordievader: very nice page full of great info [21:03] ok the new alpha2 default kernel is 3.13.0-5-generic? [21:05] I don't install dailies, just update/upgrade and dist-upgrade, assuming that should be sufficient [21:10] BluesKaj: yes i had this update today [21:10] to 3.13.0-5 [21:12] soee, yeah, i have it on kubuntu 14.04 and ubuntu 14.04 [21:15] testing gnome3 just for fun, guess I'm getting bored :) [21:16] still not my cup of tea though [21:17] :) [21:18] i left that part behind me like 2 years ago, i switched to gnome, different distros and in the end [21:18] always back to Kubuntu [21:18] simply the best kde distro [21:20] kde is so much more flexible configuration-wise than unity and gnome. I really don't understand the kind of loyalty it has [21:20] gnome that is [21:21] unity is alost cause IMO, it's really quite hopeless [21:22] I like the design in GNOME 3 but the feature are so low [21:22] *features [21:24] yeah, not enough to keep me using it as a main desktop [21:25] I'm too used to kde to change now [21:26] i wonder how the next version will work based on kf5 [21:42] kf5 looks like an interesting project, has anyone tried to implement it along with the Qt5 release the other day [21:43] ? [22:24] * ahoneybun_ is going to test the new alpha in a vm as soon as it downloads [23:03] ahoneybun_: do report any results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds/61646/testcases