[05:13] <valorie> ahoneybun: a link to scribus? not sure why you posted that
[07:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:41] <apachelogger> it's so tediously hard to get a good amount of opinion out of the mailing list -.-
[08:42] <valorie> indeed
[08:43] <valorie> it's like a vein of gold when there is a great, helpful discussion
[09:22] <apachelogger> localization is driving me nuts :@
[09:34] <apachelogger> 'a new version of kubuntu is available'
[09:34] <apachelogger> ...
[09:34] <apachelogger> some bugs...
[11:29] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1201180] Pressing power button turns off the PC ignoring the presence of another session manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1201180 (by Marco Trevisan (Treviño))
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:21] <Riddell> alpha 2 testing needed shortly!
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Riddell, at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha2 ?
[12:28] <Riddell> BluesKaj: daily images need testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[12:29] <Riddell> they'll need a respin but an smoke test of the current images for more issues would be great
[12:35] <yossarianuk> hi - is there anywhere to vote for the KDE version for 14.04?
[12:36] <yossarianuk> 4.14 has my vote...
[12:36] <yossarianuk> *4.13*
[12:37] <Riddell> yossarianuk: it's not a vote but there's a discussion on the kubuntu-devel mailing list
[13:04] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6791488/
[13:04] <apachelogger> my oh my, what possibly could this be ;)
[13:05] <Riddell> a contextless pastebin url, could be dangerous
[13:06] <apachelogger> it's a space ship!
[13:06] <Riddell> ah, l10n, takes you to the moon!
[13:07] <apachelogger> and there's this
[13:07] <apachelogger> Linking CXX shared library lib/libKubuntu.so
[13:07] <apachelogger> :O
[13:07] <Riddell> what the heck is libKubuntu?
[13:08] <shadeslayer> sounds like magic
[13:08] <yofel> sounds like fun :D
[13:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you get anyone to test suspend without pm-utils installed?
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no :(
[13:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you remove pm-utils?
[13:08] <yofel> uh, ping me to do that in the evening
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and com.upstart.ubuntu keeps disappearing at times for me
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[13:08] <shadeslayer> erm
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: from the seed ? nope
[13:09] <shadeslayer> because ubuntu still ships it
[13:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how does that prevent it being removed?
[13:09] <shadeslayer> ~ » qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart                                                                                                                               shadeslayer@solembum
[13:09] <shadeslayer> Service 'com.ubuntu.Upstart' does not exist.
[13:09] <shadeslayer> ^^ so weird 
[13:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's for 0000000000003560 T _ZN7Kubuntu4L10n17isSupportCompleteEv
[13:09] <Riddell> `qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart`  works for me
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apparently some scripts from pm-utils do HDD power management stuff
[13:10] <shadeslayer> see /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d  and /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, not sure why I don't have it
[13:11] <shadeslayer> muon-updater be broken too :(
[13:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: have you tried turning it off and on again?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can't, no com.upstart.ubuntu xD
[13:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: my machine here just shuts down instead of suspending when I use the kickoff menu, but suspends fine when I close the lid, but that's the weird windows uefi machine I'm using while my main laptop gets fixed and for all I know it was always broken
[13:13] <shadeslayer> huh, interesting
[13:13] <shadeslayer> I did test suspending, and it worked fine via kickoff
[13:13] <shadeslayer> ( as well as lid shutdown )
[13:13] <Riddell> mm so I may not be the best person to test it
[13:18]  * yofel added a bunch of 4.13 deadlines on trello
[13:23] <sgclark> morning all
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/1258098
[13:42] <shadeslayer> explains the lack of com.ubuntu.Upstart
[14:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am going to hardcode UTF8 encoding for setlanguage.sh
[14:41] <apachelogger> I have no clue where Qt/KDE gets the bogus ISO encoding from but there is no sane way to handle this
[14:41] <apachelogger> if someone actually wants to use !utf8 then they simply mustn't use our tools
[14:42] <apachelogger> (ubuntu does the same it appears)
[14:48] <sgclark> Riddell: when you have time I need you to look at new kdoctools files, one in PPA is broken.
[14:54] <Riddell> sgclark: looking at the review comments now on https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/115065/
[14:54] <Riddell> sgclark: but you have a new package in your ubuntu one share?
[14:55] <sgclark> Riddell: a few , but kdoctools mmost important
[15:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/libkubuntu
[15:11] <apachelogger> very much work in progress, but it actually can replace 90% of the KCM logic already
[15:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: why does it need a separate library?
[15:11] <apachelogger> plus all the tech for providing "yo, your translations be incomplete, want me to fix dat?" notifications
[15:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd call it libkubuntui18n, just libkubuntu is quite generic
[15:12] <apachelogger> it aint
[15:12] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/uelBh2rX
[15:12] <apachelogger> libkubuntu is supposed to be generic
[15:12] <apachelogger> I am not going around creating random libraries whenever we need a library :P
[15:13] <Riddell> ok fair enough
[15:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: anywho... as to why we need a library for l10n to begin with a) incompleteness of support notifications cannot be issued by the KCM as the KCM requires a user to start it ;) b) the more rubbish I get moved outside the locale patch the easier it is to fiddle it into upstreamable genericism
[15:15] <Riddell> I like your thinking
[15:15] <apachelogger> oh, also c) having it littered all over the place in the KCM makes it hard to reuse the logic in the future
[15:15] <apachelogger> i.e. someone would have to detangle it then, rather than me now
[15:16]  * apachelogger afk for coffee break
[15:16] <soee> :)
[15:25] <Riddell> gosh KF5 alpha 1 next week
[15:32] <yofel> btw
[15:32] <yofel> !testers | 4.12.1 is done in ninjas for saucy
[15:32] <yofel> works fine for me
[15:33] <soee> Riddell: thats bad ? :)
[15:34] <Riddell> more work! eek!
[15:34] <Riddell> we need to clone sgclark 
[15:35] <sgclark> I have a bunch ready waiting for kdoctools!
[15:36] <Riddell> sgclark: sorry will get on it next
[15:36] <Riddell> kf5 meeting in #kde-devel now should you be interested
[15:36] <sgclark> ok
[15:37] <Riddell> sgclark: tsk, should have been s/he's/here's/
[15:37] <sgclark> ahh sorry
[15:42] <soee> the current kernel 3.13 is stable or RC ?
[15:44] <yofel> 3.13.0-5.20 is v3.13 according to the changelog
[15:48] <Riddell> sgclark: what's the issue with kdoctools? the package in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages compiles fine
[15:49] <sgclark> remember we had to change the kde5/apps data path, that one is compiled with bad path
[15:49] <sgclark> in turn breaking everything
[15:51] <Riddell> aah
[15:52] <sgclark> Riddell: If a package has multiple .so files do I need to split it up or something? lintian exploded on KIO heh
[15:53] <Riddell> sgclark: for shared libaries we generally make 1 package per library
[15:54] <Riddell> for plugins we generally stick those in the library package that most suits it
[15:54] <Riddell> plugins go into /usr/lib/*/kde5/
[15:54] <Riddell> libraries in /usr/lib/*/libfoo.so
[15:54] <Riddell> sgclark: pastebin the file list if you want a review
[15:54] <sgclark> ok
[15:57] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792288/
[15:58] <sgclark> Riddell: so just add all the extra packages in control right?
[15:59] <Riddell> sgclark: yes, 4 different lib packages
[15:59] <Riddell> sgclark: but only 1 -dev needed
[15:59] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thank you
[15:59] <Riddell> and maybe a kio-plugins for usr/lib/*/kde5/* and usr/lib/*/qt5/*
[15:59] <Riddell> what's in usr/bin ?
[16:00] <sgclark> Riddell: kcookiejar5 kmailservice ktelenetservice executables
[16:02] <Riddell> so I think 1 package with the plugins and share files and the binaries
[16:02] <Riddell> not sure what to call it though
[16:02] <Riddell> kio-kioslaves ?
[16:02] <Riddell> kio-slaves?
[16:02] <Riddell> kio-plugins ?
[16:03] <Riddell> we have kdesdk-kio-plugins from kde4
[16:03] <sgclark> lets stick with kf5kio-plugins then
[16:03] <Riddell> groovy
[16:04] <Riddell> sgclark: new kdoctools uploaded
[16:05] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks!
[16:05] <Riddell> your package wasn't synced to the ppa so I just changed the install path from the one in the ppa
[16:05] <Riddell> sgclark: your kpty package should have the build-deps updated for the ones that were renamed libfoo5-dev to libfoo-dev
[16:06]  * Riddell does so#
[16:09] <BluesKaj> had to revert to the 3.13.0-4-generic kernel, splash screen process froze at the hdd icon on the 3.13.0-5-generic kernel
[16:10] <Riddell> sgclark: did you get this "exclude" syntax from somewhere? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792344/
[16:10] <BluesKaj> the default  Air and Elarun Splash Screen that is
[16:11] <sgclark> Riddell: copyright helper
[16:11] <Riddell> sgclark: ok I've not seen that before but I assume it knows what it's doing
[16:12] <Riddell> sgclark: kpty uploaded!
[16:17] <sgclark> Riddell: ty, kcompletion was not installing dev files because the install file was icorrectly named
[16:20] <Riddell> sgclark: kcompletion uploaded!
[16:20] <sgclark> Riddell: ty very much
[16:26] <Riddell> ooh new isos!
[16:26] <Riddell> !testers | alpha 2 candidates
[16:28] <soee> cool, sadly for me lightdm not working :/
[16:29] <Riddell> soee: on the images?
[16:29] <soee> Riddell: no didnt test images
[16:30] <sgclark> Riddell: what was the error on kpty?
[16:32] <lordievader> Using kvm to test is fine right?
[16:32] <lordievader> Test Alpha2 I mean.
[16:36] <Riddell> sgclark: build-depens libkf5ki18n5-dev -> libkf5ki18n-dev
[16:37] <Riddell> and for widgetcore5
[16:37] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh ok, that keeps biting me, sorry
[16:38] <Riddell> lordievader: yes that's all useful
[16:39] <lordievader> Ok great :D
[17:15] <sgclark> Riddell: something is going on with kcoreaddons amd64 build on PPA. It fails a test, I ran it here on pbuilder and everything passes and builds. not sure what to do now
[17:16] <Riddell> is that the one which moans about /root/.ssh ?
[17:17] <sgclark> yes
[17:17] <sgclark> and I have depnds on it so holding me up :(
[17:18] <Riddell> it seems to only fail sometimes
[17:18] <Riddell> and pass other times
[17:18] <Riddell> in the PPA builder
[17:19] <Riddell> mm it gets a timeout
[17:21] <Riddell> the build log shows it actually does get the signal sent but it still timesout
[17:21] <Riddell> well probably easiest if we just disable that test :(
[17:24] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded with test disabled
[17:25] <jussi> Riddell: glad you like them. hope they stick nicely
[17:26] <jussi> even with the tax, for that quality it was pretty decently priced methinks.
[17:27] <jussi> apachelogger: Im under the influence of drugs/medication at the moment - Im hoping to get that activities thing done once Im better. but if someone else has nothign to do and can do it, I really dont mind
[17:27] <Riddell> jussi: a nice addition to this laptop
[17:27] <jussi> :=)
[17:29] <sgclark> Riddell: thank you, I donn't see it scheduled for a build, how long does that usually take?
[17:30] <Riddell> sgclark: I made a typo during upload, trying again
[17:30] <sgclark> Riddell: ok :)
[17:30] <Riddell> usually takes < 5 minutes I think
[19:13] <sgclark> Riddell: kconfigwidgets is ready for you, alot depend on this one.
[19:15] <Riddell> lovely
[19:17] <Riddell> sgclark: needs build-dep on libkf5codecs-dev
[19:19] <sgclark> Riddell: hmm it does
[19:20] <sgclark> Riddell: it is listed in control file, not sure what you mean
[19:20] <Riddell> sgclark: oh yes, ignore me
[19:20] <sgclark> lol ok
[19:27] <Riddell> sgclark: lovely, uploaded!
[19:27] <sgclark> thanks!
[19:30] <sgclark> Riddell: kwindowsystem update, removed the 5 from the dev binary
[19:39] <sgclark> Riddell: kdbusaddons as well removed 5 from -dev package
[20:05] <sgclark> Riddell: knotification for after kwindowsystem for dependency
[20:07] <sgclark> Riddell: again for kcrash
[20:11] <sgclark> Riddell: ^^ kwallet_framework
[20:21] <lordievader> Riddell: Alpha2 installs nicely on KVM :)
[20:31] <Riddell> lordievader: great
[20:32] <Riddell> sgclark: thanks, I think I'll have to get to them tomorrow, off out not
[20:39] <sgclark> Riddell: no problem
[20:39] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: lordievader can I test the images in a VM?
[20:40] <lordievader> ahoneybun_: Jup, tested here with KVM. Starting to like KVM :)
[20:41] <ahoneybun_> sweet
[20:41] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: want me to make a banner for the 14.04 release?
[20:42] <ahoneybun_> lordievader: where are the images?
[20:42] <ahoneybun_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/ just alpha 1
[20:42] <lordievader> ahoneybun_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[20:43] <ahoneybun_> lordievader: very nice page full of great info
[21:03] <BluesKaj> ok the new alpha2 default kernel is 3.13.0-5-generic?
[21:05] <BluesKaj> I don't install dailies, just update/upgrade and dist-upgrade, assuming that should be sufficient 
[21:10] <soee> BluesKaj: yes i had this update today
[21:10] <soee> to 3.13.0-5
[21:12] <BluesKaj> soee, yeah, i have it on kubuntu 14.04 and ubuntu 14.04
[21:15] <BluesKaj> testing gnome3 just for fun, guess I'm getting bored :)
[21:16] <BluesKaj> still not my cup of tea though
[21:17] <soee> :)
[21:18] <soee> i left that part behind me like 2 years ago, i switched to gnome, different distros and in  the end
[21:18] <soee> always back to Kubuntu
[21:18] <soee> simply the best kde distro 
[21:20] <BluesKaj> kde is so much more flexible configuration-wise than unity and gnome. I really don't understand the kind of loyalty it has 
[21:20] <BluesKaj> gnome that is
[21:21] <BluesKaj> unity is alost cause IMO, it's really quite hopeless
[21:22] <ahoneybun_> I like the design in GNOME 3 but the feature are so low
[21:22] <ahoneybun_> *features
[21:24] <BluesKaj> yeah, not enough to keep me using it as a main desktop
[21:25] <BluesKaj> I'm too used to kde to change now 
[21:26] <soee> i wonder how the next version will work based on kf5
[21:42] <BluesKaj> kf5 looks like an interesting project, has anyone tried to implement it along with the Qt5 release the other day
[21:43] <BluesKaj> ?
[22:24]  * ahoneybun_ is going to test the new alpha in a vm as soon as it downloads
[23:03] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: do report any results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds/61646/testcases