[04:48] <jose> popey: hey, still having the convergence design brainstorm on wed, right?
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <elfy> morning dholbach
[07:31] <dholbach> hey elfy
[08:01] <nigelb> morning
[08:01] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[08:01] <dholbach> hola ara, hola dpm
[08:02] <nigelb> Good morning dholbach, elfy, ara, dpm
[08:02] <dpm> hey dholbach
[08:02] <dpm> morning nigelb and everyone!
[08:02] <nigelb> Listening to BBC in the morning is depressing! :P
[08:02]  * nigelb is near the TV in the hostel
[08:03] <elfy> morning nigelb
[08:03] <elfy> yes it is ...
[10:53] <jcdrake__> Hi..I have a license query regarding packages.. is this the right place to ask?
[10:55] <AlanBell> jcdrake__: what is the question?
[11:01] <jcdrake> AlanBell: its about the copyright file seen in /usr/share/doc
[11:02] <jcdrake> AlanBell: and about the symlink of /usr/share/common-licensed/GPL
[11:03] <jcdrake> AlanBell: In other words, about the license mismatch between the packages and the symlinks
[11:04] <popey> can you be more specific?
[11:04] <popey> like, a package or program that you think is incorrect?
[11:04] <jcdrake> popey: sure..i can give you an example
[11:05] <jcdrake> popey: I can find copyright file of cloog-ppl package as "/usr/share/doc/cloog-ppl/copyright"
[11:06] <jcdrake> in that I see "See /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL"
[11:06] <popey> but the software is GPL-2?
[11:07] <jcdrake> which is the symlink to GPL-3, whereas its original license is LGPL 2.1
[11:07] <jcdrake> popey: yes, exactly
[11:07] <popey> sounds like a packaging bug
[11:07] <popey> someone made a mistake when they created the copyright file
[11:07] <jcdrake> is it a mistake or it defines any purpose?
[11:08] <popey> looks like a mistake / oversight to me
[11:08] <jcdrake> I can see this in many packages..
[11:08] <jcdrake> does ubuntu team uses any automate tool to generate copyright?
[11:09] <popey> no, they're generally manually created
[11:09] <jcdrake> so what next? Should I post as a bug ?
[11:09] <popey> yeah
[11:09] <popey> ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[11:10] <popey> you could make one bug and assign to lots of packages if you have found a few
[11:10] <popey> */GPL is the "current" GPL which is 3 - which was decided by debian
[11:10] <popey> same with GFDL
[11:10] <popey> probably nobody updated that copyright file when that change occured, thats all
[11:10] <popey> and looking at that package - it was last touched in 2008..
[11:11] <popey> you could even fix them yourself ☻
[11:11] <jcdrake> oh..fine.. I should file a bug here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[11:11] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<packagename>/+reportbug
[11:11] <popey> yes
[11:11] <popey> insert package name there
[11:12] <jcdrake> popey: yes..thats I am gonna do anyway ;)
[11:12] <popey> cool
[11:13] <AlanBell> I wonder if you could grep for "or later" and see if such packages link to the "current" symlink rather than a versioned license
[11:14] <jcdrake> popey: thanks. I could do that..
[11:14] <jcdrake> AlanBell: yes..
[11:15] <jcdrake> I can make a list and post it in the bug which I am gonna create
[11:18] <popey> great, thanks jcdrake
[11:42] <jcdrake> popey: correct link, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloog-ppl/+filebug ;)
[12:42] <jcdrake> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloog-ppl/+bug/1271160
[12:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1271160 in cloog-ppl (Ubuntu) "License version mismatch" [Undecided,New]
[12:42] <jcdrake> preparing the list now...
[12:43] <popey> jcdrake: you can add each affected package as a task on the bug, rather than have separate bugs.
[12:43] <popey> the "also affects project" button can be used for that
[12:47] <jcdrake> popey: OK. Thank you. Once I finished with the list, I could do that
[16:41] <jose> popey: ping
[17:18] <dholbach> all right my friends - I'm out for today - see you tomorrow!
[17:18] <dholbach> big hugs
[17:58] <jose> jono: hey, having your Q&A in about an hour, right?
[17:59] <jono> jose, yep :-)
[17:59] <jose> cool!
[18:00] <elfy> jono: you know you got a dodgy link on your blog ... http://www.jonobacon.org/2014/01/19/bad-voltage-in-2014/community.badvoltage.org/
[18:01] <elfy> I did comment - twice it seems, not sure what went on there other than it being sunday
[18:03] <jono> elfy, yeah, will fix
[18:03] <jono> thanks!
[18:04] <jono> jose, btw, I approved your request
[18:04] <jono> jose, (donations)
[18:06] <jose> jono: awesome, thanks
[18:07] <jose> jono: Michelle should be contacting me about it, right?
[18:07] <jono> jose, yep
[18:07] <jose> cool, thanks!
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