[06:15] <RaxMatt> hmmm... should I got saucy, precise, or trusty on my rax desktop?
[06:16] <RaxMatt> *go
[06:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:13] <Myrtti> meh
[07:14] <Myrtti> "morning"
[07:19] <knightwise> morning ! :)
[07:20] <MooDoo> how are you knightwise Myrtti
[07:21] <knightwise> doing ok. finally found the root cause of my slow wifi at home
[07:21] <MooDoo> knightwise: brill what was it?  hardware?  signal interference?
[07:21] <knightwise> hardware
[07:22] <knightwise> turns out you have to disable the N spectrum on intel wifi cards under ubuntu
[07:22] <knightwise> bad driver/firmware/update thingie
[07:22] <Myrtti> tired, stressed, wondering if I'm coming down with a flu
[07:22] <MooDoo> my daughter got me up at 3am :(
[07:22] <knightwise> funny thing is : i didn't have that problem when I had my airport extreme router.
[07:22] <knightwise> and with the asus i do .. Funny
[07:22] <knightwise> Myrtti: take good care of yourself
[07:23] <knightwise> hot coco and stuff
[07:23] <knightwise> DId a nice google search . I pasted part of my Plex media servers configuration webpage url into google
[07:23] <knightwise> :) Been watching stuff on random plex servers all over the world :) Funny :p
[07:29] <knightwise> hrmphf... flaky connecton to home server today
[07:29] <knightwise> even irc is slow
[07:31] <MooDoo> not built my home server yet, need drives/memory for it
[07:32] <knightwise> I have an I5 with 16 gigs of ram and about 6Tb of storage running a couple of VMs
[07:32] <knightwise> works pretty fine
[07:32] <MooDoo> I've got a dell poweredge server, but it only support 500gb drives, which will do
[07:33] <knightwise> storage is not that important unless you also use it as a media server
[07:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Hugging Day! :-D
[07:34] <MooDoo> knightwise: nah, looking to have a play with openstack
[07:35] <knightwise> Cool :)
[07:35]  * knightwise now needs to figure out how to disable N on his network card.
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: why? because it's flaky?
[07:37] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: no , because of the known issue I had. Terrible wifi speeds, dropped TCP packets .. The works
[07:38] <JamesTait> knightwise, is this the Intel card with those problems?
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: if it's intel, /sys/modules/iwlwifi/11n_disable (or something) -- just "echo 1" into it. And for after a reboot, put a "local.conf" in /etc/modprobe.d/ with "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1" (or whatever the file in /sys/modules is called)
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: but 11G is a lot worse than 11N for performance, consider upgrading anyway :)
[07:39] <JamesTait> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/924099
[07:41] <JamesTait> Actually, MartijnVdS got the more recent version, I think.
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> yeah, and in iwlwifi the problem *should* be fixed, afaik
[07:45] <MartijnVdS> ah: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2134937
[08:07] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: JamesTait : I thikn its an intel card
[08:08] <knightwise> I think there is a command that lets you check right ?
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: read the kernel log, it'll tell you. Also, lsmod.
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: also, lspci :)
[08:09] <knightwise> I found this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/119578/how-to-fix-slow-wireless-on-machines-with-intel-wireless-cards
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: like I said.. use the 11n_disable module parameter
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: that's what that page also suggests
[08:10] <knightwise> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 (rev c4)
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> yes, and Centrino network adapters are know to flake out with some brands of router
[08:11] <knightwise> Gonna give it a try.
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> *cough*Linksys*cough*
[08:11] <knightwise> Asus
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: Asus also use Broadcom chips, like Linksys
[08:11]  * MartijnVdS only buys TP-Link these days. Yay atheros.
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> (also, openwrt ;))
[08:12] <knightwise> Error: Module iwlwifi is in use by: iwldvm
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: so rmmod that as well
[08:12] <knightwise> ?
[08:12] <knightwise> i'm afraid you lost me there
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: rmmod iwldvm
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> then rmmod iwlwifi
[08:15] <knightwise> ok, followed the rest of the tutorial
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> you should see more stability now
[08:15] <knightwise> This  command gave me an empty file though  gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi-disable11n.conf
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: yes, because you're creating it
[08:16] <knightwise> so i just pasted the line in there
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> and putting that one line in there
[08:16] <knightwise> gonna reboot the machine now
[08:16] <knightwise> ( The machine is at home , I'm accessing it vai SSH )
[08:17] <knightwise> but I just noticed that my network traffic at home is getting a lot faster now that i'm rebooting the laptop
[08:17] <knightwise> so it seems it is sending out quite a bit of network crap
[08:17] <knightwise> thanx again for your help in this guys
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: maybe it's compromised and spamming? Bittorrenting?
[08:17] <knightwise> Nope, just did a clean nuke and pave
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> maybe the NSA installed some custom firmware that does it for you ;)
[08:18] <MooDoo> will you guys shush i'm trying to snoop knightwise's lan
[08:19] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: that would be tax dollars wasted :p
[08:19] <MooDoo> ;)
[08:19] <knightwise> MooDoo: Find the my little porny vids yet ?
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> or the Belgian equivalent
[08:19] <MooDoo> knightwise: yes and i'm quite impressed, you're bendy :D
[08:19] <MooDoo> lol
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> Pony videos? knightwise = brony? ;)
[08:20] <knightwise> NOOOOOO
[08:20]  * knightwise runs away every time he sees furries
[08:20] <knightwise> (and pony's)
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: don't be ashamed, lots of adult men are bronies
[08:21] <MooDoo> WTF is a bronies?
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://whatisabrony.com/
[08:22] <MooDoo> holy sh*t balls
[08:22] <knightwise> True ;) there are some cool MLP mods out there
[08:22] <knightwise> Terminator-pony, borg-pony etc
[08:22] <MooDoo> get out, just get out
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: learn something new every day ;)
[08:22] <ali1234> go to bronycon
[08:23]  * knightwise is listening to some chilly tunes on cmd.fm
[08:27] <knightwise> nice geeky streaming radio that looks like a command line interface :)
[08:35] <directhex> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse/discussions/1/648817378243644036/
[08:36] <Myrtti> directhex: need any torrent seeders?
[08:37] <knightwise> Mobaxterm is a great replacement for Putty for those of you on Windows btw
[08:38] <knightwise> Xforwarding, Socks Tunnel, SFTP , all in one :)
[08:38] <Myrtti> does it support URL clicking?
[08:38] <knightwise> In a chatrroom ?
[08:39] <knightwise> erm .. no i don't think so
[08:39] <knightwise> bugger
[08:40] <Myrtti> right, can't recommend to irssi/weechat heavy users then
[08:40] <Myrtti> oh well
[08:40] <Myrtti> I haven't kept up to nutty / puttytray development so maybe they're still alright
[08:40] <diplo> Morning all
[08:42] <directhex> Myrtti, i don't know what's coming next for Ye Olde SteamOSe - much of its raison d'etre is gone with valve's merging in of changes
[08:42] <Myrtti> whee
[08:55] <knightwise> MrGarlic: Weechat ?
[08:58] <Myrtti> !info weechat
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: weechat? sounds like the thing you do while.. doing your business at the urinals
[09:01] <Myrtti> I didn't name it, don't blame mee
[09:02] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:04] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:04] <ali1234> directhex: why haven't they hired you yet?
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:12] <MooDoo> someone want to hire me, I make good tea :D
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: hmmm tea
[09:13] <brobostigon> coffee :)
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: heathen!
[09:14] <brobostigon> heh :(
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> :P
[09:15] <brobostigon> need to find a new strap for my pebble, the rubber strap isnt ideal.
[09:17] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: 24k a year to make you tea and you're on ;)
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: only if you do the dishes too 8-)
[09:18] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: steady on there
[09:37] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:38] <MooDoo> morning
[09:41] <Laney> cold this morning
[09:42] <knightwise> hey Laney
[09:42] <knightwise> good morning :)
[09:42] <Laney> ey up
[09:42] <knightwise> it is .. and it is supposed to be cold :)
[09:42] <foobarry> quite rfreshing
[09:43] <knightwise> high time it got chilly . Weather has been so fracked up , my neighbours peacocks are screaming in the morning.
[09:43] <knightwise> normally they dont do that untill march
[09:44] <ali1234> "AAAAAAARGH" - a peacock, yesterday
[09:45] <Laney> yeah, saw some plant shoots the other day that shouldn't have happened for a couple of months
[09:45] <Laney> bet these frosts have done them in
[09:46] <MooDoo> surprised it's sunny here i am, was expecting rain.
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> Laney: you've had frost then? We haven't even had that..
[09:47] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: was quite thick yesterday not so much this morning
[09:52] <bigcalm> directhex: what's next in store for ye old Ye Olde SteamOSe?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> retro gaming? 8-)
[09:53]  * MartijnVdS actually fired up an old PS/2 (386DX!) this weekend. And it still worked
[09:54] <directhex> bigcalm, excellent question. i don't really know - much of its reason to exist is gone now
[09:54] <directhex> radical change in scope? hmph
[09:55] <bigcalm> What features didn't they include?
[09:55] <directhex> i haven't had a chance to analyse yet
[09:55] <directhex> am on the clock
[09:56] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[10:31] <BigRedS> Argh. Has anyone here worked out how to get an SMTP server delisted as a spam-sender by google?
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> by not sending spam?
[10:32] <BigRedS> yeah we stopped doing that three days ago
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> * don't be on "residential IP space"
[10:32] <BigRedS> and everyone else delisted us about two and a half days ago
[10:32] <BigRedS> nah, it's a proper smtp server
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> * have your host name + reverse mapping correctly (so foo.com -> 1.2.3.4 AND 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa -> foo.com)
[10:32] <BigRedS> yep
[10:33] <BigRedS> it's a shared mailserver, and at least some of the domains are spfed up
[10:34] <BigRedS> but everyone else at least has a form where you can fess up and say "but we've fixed it, take our mail?". It took MS about 15 minutes...
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: apparently, Google's 5xx rejection code contains an URL
[10:34]  * popey bites the bullet and orders 16GB for his X220
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> popey: \o/ 16G
[10:37] <MooDoo> popey: where you get that from, I've just had a look at crucial and their system says it'll only hold 8gb, might be wrong - http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Thinkpad%20X220&Cat=RAM
[10:37] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah, that one ends with suggestions on how to form marketing emails
[10:37] <popey> its wrong
[10:37] <MooDoo> obviously if you purchased 16gb lo
[10:37] <popey> i canvassed the internets first
[10:37] <BigRedS> I did find a form for bulk senders to apply for some sort of permission which I've filled in, but it's very much "I send lots of mail" and not "I run this mailserver"
[10:39] <MooDoo> ah it officially supports 8gb, but people have been putting in 2x8gb chips into the 2 slots.
[10:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:59] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[11:00] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:00] <davmor2> MooDoo, bigcalm: how are you both?
[11:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: experiencing a very long day
[11:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: I'm fab :)
[11:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: must be a long day if you are experiencing it this early on :)
[11:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: excellent :)
[11:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: my spy camera, I mean laptop, arrives tomorrow
[11:07] <bigcalm> I've been wearing my headphones since 9am and yet haven't listened to any music yet. Forgetting they are there and getting engrossed in my work...
[11:10] <MooDoo> bigcalm: comfy then
[11:10] <foobarry> my ones hurt the top of my head :(
[11:10] <foobarry> need more cushion
[11:11] <bigcalm> MooDoo: this headset is surprisingly so, more so than my cans which are meant to be higher quality
[11:14] <MooDoo> I borrow my sons over the ear ones, but they are terrible and leave me ear sore after about 10 min
[11:14] <MooDoo> s
[11:17] <Seeker`> I wish I could get another pair of sennheiser HD457s
[11:17] <bigcalm> That's what my cans do as well as leaving a dent in my hair where the connecting band sits
[11:17] <popey> I am using bluetooth headphones
[11:17] <popey> wired
[11:18] <popey> because bluetooth sucks
[11:19] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> bluetooth is great. To connect my phone to my car stereo (for navigation & music)
[11:20] <popey> it keeps timing out
[11:20] <popey> dont know if its the cans or ubuntu
[11:20] <Seeker`> popey: try them on your mac?
[11:26]  * MartijnVdS wonders how to work the NFC bit in his laptop
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> apparently, a driver has been loaded.
[11:26] <davmor2> popey: desktop or phone or both?
[11:26] <popey> hah
[11:26] <popey> desktop
[11:26] <popey> phone doesn't work at all
[11:27] <davmor2> popey: I have a feeling it is ubuntu I tried my headset on android and it works fine
[11:27] <popey> yeah
[11:28] <SengSoft> I have become attached to the Synapse App that I installed last night , successfully , in Ubuntu-Mate_Desktop 13.10 , https://twitter.com/Noobslab/status/169558718122426368 . : Nothing else to say ..no-Comeback . Off to Smithfields .. Applets FTW ! .
[11:28] <SengSoft> https://imgur.com/AqHbiTm
[11:28]  * Seeker` can't find any good headphones :(
[11:29] <bigcalm> Bloomin spammers
[11:31] <bigcalm> Is it Wednesday yet?
[11:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: NO!
[11:34] <foobarry> nicest usb creator i've found is windows only :(
[11:34] <foobarry> called rufus
[11:34] <YaManicKill> Is it friday?
[11:34] <YaManicKill> foobarry: dd? :-P
[11:34] <popey> yeah, i use dd
[11:35] <foobarry> dd doesn't work for all isos
[11:35] <foobarry> ...does it?
[11:35] <BigRedS> I'm one of those people whose never had a problem with unetbootin :)
[11:35] <popey> which ones dont work?
[11:35] <foobarry> this is for a esxi installer iso
[11:35] <YaManicKill> I've not had one not work for a long time.
[11:36] <BigRedS> Don't the ISOs have to be crafted with that in mind? or does USB boot Just Work with an iso9660 image?
[11:36] <foobarry> if dd worked, then why did vmware write this page ? https://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-50/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.vmware.vsphere.install.doc_50%2FGUID-33C3E7D5-20D0-4F84-B2E3-5CD33D32EAA8.html
[11:36] <YaManicKill> There was a nice one that ran on ubuntu that I tried a while ago. Weird English translations, as it was French, but it worked.
[11:36] <popey> gosh thats complicated
[11:37] <directhex> the ISO needs to be crafted with that in mind
[11:37] <BigRedS> VMWare seem to have put some effort in to making that not-straightforward
[11:37] <directhex> basically you stick an MBR boot sector in the first few bytes of the ISO9660 image, in a space which is basically padding
[11:37] <directhex> you only need 432 bytes for a boot sector
[11:37] <BigRedS> yeah, that's the sort of thing I thought was going on
[11:38] <YaManicKill> Ah, multisystem. http://liveusb.info/dotclear/
[11:38] <YaManicKill> That's the one I used for a while.
[11:38] <YaManicKill> Lets you stick multiple isos on and not had any issues with anything.
[11:39] <directhex> there are basically 4 different ways to boot: BIOS from CD, BIOS from USB, UEFI from CD, UEFI from USB. you need 4 boot loaders - one for each
[11:40] <directhex> UEFI from CD: you create a tiny FAT32 partition with a boot loader EFI application inside, and embed it in an el torito floppy record
[11:40] <directhex> UEFI from USB: just make sure the first partition on your USB stick is FAT32, and contains an EFI boot loader
[11:40] <directhex> BIOS from CD: 432 byte boot sector in an el torito floppy record
[11:40] <directhex> BIOS from USB: 432 bytes at the start of the drive, with a small offset
[11:41] <directhex> the trick is making a .iso which is all 4 of these things at once
[11:41] <directhex> this also ignores macs, which expect HFS+
[11:42] <DJones> C4RR3: Just £16.99 a month
[11:42] <DJones> Phone cost Free
[11:42] <DJones> Grr
[11:42] <DJones> Mis-paste
[11:44] <BigRedS> Miss Paste? Sounds lovely
[12:11] <azamat> hi @all . On my ubuntu 13.10, sound goes to maximum sometimes. Why is that?
[12:18] <bigcalm> Sometimes my workstation boots with audio muted. One of those things (tm)
[12:19] <YaManicKill> Yeah, me too.
[12:19] <MooDoo> I can catch the mouse roller wheel and sometimes that takes it to maximum
[12:23] <bigcalm> I wish that devices with wifi all came with a standard port to attach an external aerial
[12:24] <bigcalm> Ran out of ethernet ports on my router in my office so I'm not using the wifi on my workstation
[12:24] <Dave2> was "not" meant to be "now"?
[12:24] <bigcalm> Yes
[12:25] <bigcalm> The workstation in under my desk and about 4 feet from the wifi router - yet my workstation isn't showing a stong signal
[12:25] <bigcalm> Plus, I get about 3MB/s max when transferring between server and workstation :(
[12:25] <Dave2> Might I suggest buying a switch
[12:25] <bigcalm> s/in/is
[12:26] <bigcalm> Dave2: I want this one but don't have the money: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Netgear-Wireless-N-Port-Gigabit-Firewall/dp/B005UGRIIG/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=LXT6MFP2WUWA&coliid=I3M4BGF1YGV466
[12:26] <bigcalm> To replace the wifi router I am using
[12:26] <bigcalm> Really need to keep down the number of mains sockets in use
[12:28] <ormiret> I'm intrigued; why do you care how many sockets are in use?
[12:28] <Dave2> that's... a bit pricy
[12:28] <bigcalm> ormiret: because one _can_ have too many
[12:28] <bigcalm> Dave2: yep, a cheaper alternative would be nice :)
[12:28] <Dave2> Cheaper alternative: a switch and a power brick thing
[12:29] <bigcalm> *grumble*
[12:29] <bigcalm> I used to have a switch until I gave it away on freecycle
[12:30] <bigcalm> Was only 10/100 though
[12:30] <Dave2> you can buy a switch for £hardlyanything
[12:30] <Dave2> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-SG1005D-Gigabit-Unmanaged-Desktop/dp/B000N99BBC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1390307440&sr=8-2&keywords=tp-link+switch £12.48
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> I have one of those in white I think
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> works great
[12:31] <Dave2>  Instant Order Update for Dave Wickham. You purchased this item on 20 Nov 2011. View this order.
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[12:32] <diplo> I have one of those TP Link ones as well, is good
[12:32] <bigcalm> I guess
[12:32] <Dave2> I should buy the 8 port one though, because I'm running out of sockets and have run out of network ports.
[12:32] <Dave2> This is a switch that's attached to my router.
[12:32] <bigcalm> I should build some shelves to put the server and other bits on. My desk it getting messy
[12:34]  * MartijnVdS ponders http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-SG1016DE-16-Port-Gigabit-Management/dp/B00DQ4ED7S
[12:35] <Dave2> hah
[12:35] <Dave2> My understanding is that the cheap TP-Link switches have the same chipset as that one, and so are effectively dumb managed switches
[12:35] <Dave2> (May be wrong on that)
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: except the cheaper ones don't have an IP to talk to for management
[12:36] <Dave2> Hence the dumb bit
[12:37] <bigcalm> My router is running openwrt, so I don't really need a managed switch
[12:37] <Dave2> Those two statements don't really follow on from one another
[12:37] <bigcalm> Ta for the advice, I might order an 8 port plastic one
[12:37] <bigcalm> They don't?
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: well, the ethernet ports built into a router like that could be used like managed switch ports
[12:38] <bigcalm> For my use, I just need extra ports. So unmanaged seems to make sense?
[12:38] <Dave2> No; your router has a managed switch built in, but if you did want to have vlan tagging, then you would lose the ability to have a trunked port going to the switch with different vlan tagging going on there.
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: usually, yes.
[12:38] <Dave2> Of course, you probably don't actually care about any of that
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> though managed switches can be higher throughput (paradoxically)
[12:38] <bigcalm> Dave2: I see and you are correct in this instance :)
[12:40] <bigcalm> Any advantage of getting a metal one rather than plastic?
[12:40] <Dave2> I'm not sure what the other differences are.
[12:40] <Dave2> Metal is nicer.
[12:40] <bigcalm> This is true
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> you could connect the metal case to ground, I suppose
[12:42]  * bigcalm measures his office for putting up shelves
[13:02] <bigcalm> Can't decide if I want to put shelves on the whole of the wall behind my desk or to leave space for art work
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: behind your desk as in "in front of you when using the desk" or "behind you when using it"
[13:03] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: in front of me when I'm using it
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: then use it for art. Put the shelves behind you
[13:04]  * MartijnVdS wishes he'd done that
[13:04] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: not enough room behind me. This is the smallest bedroom in the house and only really fits my desk and my chair
[13:05] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/414351141859000322
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ah. hmm
[13:06] <bigcalm> Time for a new photo
[13:11] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/425616683739262976/photo/1
[13:13] <diplo> bigcalm: Corner shelves above the printer ?
[13:14] <bigcalm> diplo: I was wondering about using the whole of the left hand wall for shelves and include the corner
[13:14] <bigcalm> So many choices
[13:15] <bigcalm> In the very bottom left of the photo you can see the door handle of the open door
[13:17] <RaxMatt> hullo
[13:18] <popey> hi
[13:19] <RaxMatt> how are we all today?
[13:19] <popey> meh
[13:19] <RaxMatt> oh
[13:20] <RaxMatt> something happened?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> it's a grey day outside here
[13:20] <MooDoo> i think everyone is having one of those dayas todya
[13:21] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/archives/date-taken/2014/01/21/ greetings from Finland
[13:21] <RaxMatt> it was extremely foggy here at raxtowers this morning
[13:21] <foobarry> MooDoo: i certainly am having one of those days
[13:22] <MooDoo> foobarry: yeah me to, but mine is coz i'm tired 3 hours of sleep last night
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: been out partying?
[13:23] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: no little one came into the bedroom at 3am wide awake
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: ah, so someone else was out partying ;)
[13:24] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: if she was she's in trouble. then again who knows what 2 year olds get up to while we're asleep ;)
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> :)
[13:32] <popey> yay, my ram is coming via DPD
[13:32] <foobarry> if my boy doesn't wake me up in the night he gets to put marbles in his reward jar
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> popey: already? that's quick!
[13:33] <foobarry> so the laptop will break 1 week from now?
[13:33] <foobarry> or 1 day after support runs out
[13:45] <popey> its got a year or so support left
[13:45] <bigcalm> What was the bz2 method that people suggested I used for compressing a 4.2GB mysql dump?
[13:46] <YaManicKill> rm
[13:46] <YaManicKill> that's the most efficient compression I know :-P
[13:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: you know when you open a browser and in the middle is this google text box :P  were you after the compression format or the command to do it?
[13:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: I use `tar jcvf foo.tar.bz2 foo`. Somebody suggested a better method
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: there's create_dump_on_stdout_somehow | bzip2 -9 > dump.bz2
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: if you want moar compression, try xz
[13:51] <bigcalm> I have the dump now. Just want to compress it for xfer to my server
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> xz -9 file -- why tar if it's one file?
[13:52] <bigcalm> I normally use zxvf for one handed quickness but thought that bz2 was meant to be better for some reason
[13:52] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: muscle memory :)
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: tar is smart with extensions now I think -- the "j" or "z" don't matter anymore -- at least when extracting
[13:53] <bigcalm> Oh, xz is a utility. I'll give it a go :)
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> gz < bz2 < xz (compression-ratio wise, usually)
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> (some files might gzip better or bzip better, but most will xz the best)
[13:55] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: so for the next person to beat xzip they will need to do zzip but then it just sounds like your machine is sleeping when you run the command zz
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: well they could do yzip instead
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: and/or skip to greek letters
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> µzip sounds nice and micro :)
[13:55] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: yeah but then it sounds like a question
[13:56] <davmor2> why zip
[13:56]  * MartijnVdS used "arj" last week
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> well, unarj
[13:56] <davmor2> MartijnVdS, bigcalm: I quite like 7zips archive it is pretty compact
[13:56] <bigcalm> I'm looking for speed more than compression I guess
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: 7zip uses lzma, same as xz, but xz actually has a unixy file format ;)
[13:57] <bigcalm> I'll give xz a go
[13:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: 7zip is fast so I assume that xz should be too
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> 7zip decompression is fast
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> compression isn't really
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> if you want fast, try gzip -1 ;)
[13:59] <bigcalm> I do need to actually compress the file as well :P
[14:00] <bigcalm> Ah, lunch is ready :)
[14:04] <foobarry> "3 billion devices run java"
[14:04] <foobarry> i wonder how many are up to date
[14:05] <Seeker`> 3
[14:08] <directhex> javacard.
[14:08] <directhex> runs on SIM cards
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> isn't that a very special very stripped-down thing though
[15:22] <bigcalm> 4.1GB MySQL dump -> xz for 9m43.448s -> 165MB .xz file
[15:22] <foobarry> shhh
[15:23] <bigcalm> Sorry, didn't mean to wake you
[15:26] <YaManicKill> That amused me more than it probably should...
[15:28] <bigcalm> ETA (from pv) to import the database is 1 hour
[15:29]  * bigcalm does some other stuff
[15:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: that sounds a bit more portable
[16:12] <bigcalm> Can anybody recommend some very simple software for chopping section out of an mp3?
[16:13] <Myrtti> a specific section or just splitting it?
[16:13] <foobarry> more simple than audacity?
[16:13] <bigcalm> A specific section
[16:13] <bigcalm> foobarry: I currently know of no software, so any suggestions would be good
[16:13] <Myrtti> audacity is good
[16:13] <bigcalm> Ta, I'll give it a go
[16:14] <foobarry> ffmpeg can cut sections too
[16:14] <bigcalm> Simple implying GUI ;)
[16:14] <foobarry> i refer you to prevous answer :)
[16:16] <Myrtti> ooer http://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/20207/why-are-airline-passengers-asked-to-lift-up-window-shades-during-takeoff-and-lan?utm_source=google&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=travel-promotion&utm_content=travel-promo-windows-google
[16:16] <foobarry> got a summary?
[16:18] <Myrtti> so that there's more eyes to see if there's problems and the passangers eyesight is acclimatized to the outside lighting if there's a need to evacuate
[16:18] <Myrtti> same reason why during takeoff and landing in the dark the lights are turned off
[16:19] <foobarry> so for crashy reasons
[16:19] <Myrtti> yeah - apparently european officials require that the plane needs to be able to be evacuated in 90sec
[16:19] <bigcalm> My db import finally finished: 4.08GB 0:40:35 [1.72MB/s]
[16:20] <foobarry> i was a fire marshall once, only to find out when the fire drill was
[16:20] <foobarry> get the lift down 26 flights before you have to walk
[16:20] <Myrtti> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1uzne_a380-emergency-evacuation-test_tech
[16:26] <bigcalm> Love the comment "That was really funny! anyone want to chat with a cutie like me^^? :))"
[16:26] <diddledan__> bigcalm: yeah, I would. you cute thing you.
[16:27] <bigcalm> o.O
[16:27] <diddledan__> :-p
[16:27]  * foobarry closes irc for a bit
[16:28] <diddledan__> foobarry: was it _that_ offensive that I might think bigcalm is cute? :-o
[16:29] <foobarry> umm
[16:29]  * foobarry goes away
[16:29] <diddledan__> lol
[16:29] <diddledan__> I think that's a yes then
[16:30] <foobarry> i'm not used to seeing the word cutie on irc
[16:30] <diddledan__> true, let's tru QT
[16:30] <diddledan__> try*
[16:30] <diddledan__> ubuntu phone ftw
[16:31] <popey> \o/
[16:33] <bigcalm> One of the advantages of recording all sky calls is getting rather odd snippets like this one: http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/yelling.mp3
[16:34] <Dave2> SKY CALLS
[16:34] <bigcalm> skype
[16:34] <Dave2> Heavenly conversations
[16:34] <firefox> Hello, I have a question about my computer. It was given to me by a friend and she told me the password but it will not take it anymore and i cannot do anything but basic stuff. No administration stuff. Is there any way to override the password
[16:35] <directhex> firefox, ubuntu computer?
[16:35] <firefox> yes
[16:35] <diddledan__> firefox: you need to reboot into single user mode and replace the password using `passwd` utility.
[16:36] <diddledan__> either that or do some dohickery in the live dvd
[16:36] <firefox> ok thanks
[16:36] <firefox> i will try it
[16:36] <diddledan__> that might be easier but needs another pc available to burn the dvd
[16:37] <diddledan__> I hate that grub is so difficult to get to appear with quiet boot - I've still not found a sure-fire way of getting the menu up
[16:37] <directhex> ask it nicely!
[16:38] <foobarry> left shift key?
[16:38] <diddledan__> "computer... oh computer..."; "scotty, try this"; "oh a keyboard, how quaint"
[17:54] <popey> AlanBell: http://designspark.com/eng/blog/day-one-with-parallella
[18:59] <AlanBell> popey: nice, I am looking forward to it turning up
[19:01]  * MartijnVdS has soup!
[20:13] <DJones> bigcalm: You know that laptop you ordered? Has it arrived yet, or are you going to cancel and order one of these http://www.maximumpc.com/dell_reaffirms_commitment_project_sputnik_launches_new_ubuntu_laptop_developers2013
[20:25] <popey> thats the touch screen one? I do like the look of them
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> if they're like the XPS12, they're great
[20:38] <ali1234> i don't understand how they can put an i7 in a 13" and not have it melt a hole through the floor into the core of the earth
[20:39] <ali1234> china syndrome style...
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Magic
[20:41] <diddledan__> thems look sleek
[20:45] <diddledan__> for anyone looking seriously at them: http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd
[20:54] <bigcalm> DJones: it's due to arrive tomorrow
[20:54] <bigcalm> Though the order tracking page says that it is still in Cina
[20:54] <foobarry> curse of the big clam
[20:54] <foobarry> in other news http://lifehacker.com/the-most-and-least-reliable-hard-drive-brands-1505797966
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> So me not buying seagate is a good decision
[20:56] <directhex> no no no they used GREENS?
[20:56] <directhex> are they freaking mentally ill?
[20:57] <foobarry> any bad seagate ones are probably maxtor in their genes
[20:58] <foobarry> annual failure rate of one specific piece of kit is running around 15% so far, and still 3 months left
[20:59] <JanC> only 8 GiB of RAM?
[21:02]  * popey will be looking out for DPD guy for his 16GB RAM! :D
[21:02] <JanC> ali1234: that's a massively underclocked i7, remember?
[21:03] <ali1234> yeah i suspected something like that
[21:03] <JanC> U series
[21:04] <bigcalm> popey: you are going to get your ram before I get my laptop. Slightly miffed about that for some reason
[21:04] <popey> hah
[21:54] <bigcalm> Wifey has gone to a friend's place for a wee drink. Which means I'll be picking her up later. Which means I'm off the sauce tonight
[21:54]  * bigcalm twiddles thumbs
[21:58] <bigcalm> Sod it, I'll fix some broken unit tests
[22:11] <moreati> bigcalm: your spy cam arrived yet?
[22:13] <bigcalm> moreati: order tracking page says tomorrow. Then again, it also says that it's still in China
[22:13] <bigcalm> moreati: I was hoping to bring it to the LUG
[22:28] <Scratman> Greetings all
[22:29] <Scratman> I have an issue with my machine, if I type http://127.0.0.1:8081 into my browser, my browser advises that it is unable to connect, how can I resolve this?
[22:30] <directhex> um... why do you expect something to reply on port 8081?
[22:30] <Scratman> directhex I'm following a tutorial to stream my webcam over my network, link  http://cjjulius.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/creating-a-simple-linux-webcam-server/
[22:31] <directhex> lsof -i :8081
[22:32] <Scratman> copy and paste to terminal?
[22:32] <directhex> yes
[22:33] <Scratman> Done
[22:34] <Scratman> Leaves me back at the default prompt scratman@scratman:~$
[22:34] <Scratman> Still unable to connect at http://127.0.0.1:8081/
[22:35] <directhex> lsof would tell you which apps are running and listening on port 8081
[22:35] <directhex> did it report anything?
[22:35] <Scratman> One moment
[22:36] <Scratman> Nothing
[22:36] <bigcalm> Did running motion do anything?
[22:36] <Scratman> Just restarted the process, it's running, but lsof -i still reports nothing
[22:36] <directhex> ok, so you aren't running anything which would be listening to you on port 8081
[22:37] <directhex> Scratman, which process is the motion process? you said it's running, do you know the PID?
[22:37] <bigcalm> px aux | grep motion
[22:38] <Scratman> px: command not found
[22:38] <bigcalm> Oops
[22:38] <bigcalm> ps
[22:38] <bigcalm> Slip of the finger
[22:38] <bigcalm> ps aux | grep motion
[22:38] <Scratman> Motion ID 8051
[22:40] <Scratman> in motion.conf under Live Webcam Server it states:- webcam_port 8081
[22:41] <Scratman> have I done something stupid, or is this confusing?
[22:43] <Scratman> scratman   8051 12.6  0.3  46880 13656 ?        Sl   22:35   0:50 motion
[22:43] <Scratman> scratman    9386  0.0  0.0   4392   828 pts/3    S+   22:42   0:00 grep --color=auto motion
[22:44] <directhex> there is definitely a motion process with PID 8051
[22:45] <Scratman> ps aux | grep motion returned 2 lines, first was : scratman   8051 12.6  0.3  46880 13656 ?        Sl   22:35   0:50 motion
[22:45] <directhex> lsof -iPn | grep 8051
[22:46] <Scratman> lsof: unknown protocol name (Pn) in: -i Pn
[22:49] <directhex> grr
[22:50] <directhex> -i -P -n
[22:50] <Scratman> lsof -i -P -n ?
[22:52] <diddledan__> sudo netstat -anp might help, also
[22:53] <Scratman> directhex what am I looking for?
[22:53] <Scratman> diddledan-- What am I looking for?
[22:54] <directhex> Scratman, evidence of the motion process actually listening on *any* port
[22:54] <diddledan__> Scratman: your motion process - if it's there then it'll tell you what port it's listening on
[22:54] <diddledan__> you _could_ pass the output through grep
[22:55] <Scratman> Motion isn't listed in either result.....
[22:55] <diddledan__> then it hasn't opened aport at all
[22:56] <Scratman> Well, that would explain why firefox doesn't find it....
[22:57] <Scratman> Now I need to work out how to make it open a port.
[23:05] <Scratman> I  don't understand why it's not opening a port.....
[23:07] <Scratman> and to be honest, I'm too tired to work it out tonight
[23:07] <Scratman> Thanks for the help guys, I'll have a think, check the man page tomorrow, and see how I get on
[23:11] <Scratman> gOODBYE
[23:11] <Scratman> Sorry, caps lock.   Goodbye.
[23:35] <diddledan> yey for ip6
[23:35] <daftykins> O_O