[19:42] <wrst> jshanks24: hey!
[19:42] <wrst> how are you doing?
[19:43] <jshanks24> I am doing good
[19:43] <jshanks24> wbu?
[19:43] <wrst> btw loks like you are doing seem neet things as far as linux evangelism is concerned
[19:45] <jshanks24> thanks. I am actually trying to provide help to new linux users but I thought I would try getting converts too on the side
[19:49] <wrst> new user support especially for the more non-windows power user types is pretty bad it seems
[19:51] <jshanks24> yeah
[19:52] <wrst> and especially for ubuntu since there isn't really a great choice for straight up documentation
[19:52] <wrst> and of course that's the distro you send new users to
[19:53] <jshanks24> The documentation is better on Ubuntu than others I have found but the problem is it isnt organized in an effective way.
[19:55] <wrst> I mainly use arch and its documentation is very good for the most part, but it gives just a cli way of doing things and that drastically simplifies documentation
[19:56] <jshanks24> I do a lot of switching but recently I have been using Ubuntu simply bc of the fact that I need to know it inside and out in order to write tutorials on it
[19:57] <wrst> yeah and ubuntu is a good distro its what I install for people but I prefer gnome and well ubuntu is not a good gnome distro now
[19:57] <jshanks24> I used Fedora for a long time bc I knew it fairily well but the updates can break it so fast it isnt even funny.
[19:58] <wrst> yeah I have tried it, its just not my thing
[19:58] <wrst> I really like a rolling distro
[19:58] <jshanks24> wasnt mine either but it was what I had to use in school
[19:59] <wrst> actually was using an install of it for a whle recently then all the sudden no booting
[19:59] <wrst> update breakage have no clue why and wasn't really worth the effort of finding out
[20:00] <jshanks24> it is red hat's beta or even alpha just to see what works before they put it into red hat as stable
[20:00] <jshanks24> ever tried gnobuntu?
[20:01] <wrst> yes but its always a version behind and with them modding so many gtk pacakges not to mention no systemd it gets more and more a struggle
[20:02] <wrst> I would probably go debian if i wasn't using arch
[20:02] <wrst> and run unstable
[20:03] <jshanks24> oh. didnt realize it was behind. I had only booted it a few times to see what it was like but never actually used it
[20:06] <wrst> yeah i think the may still be on 3.8
[20:06] <wrst> with arch I get the new gnome release usually within a week of release
[20:06] <jshanks24> I have never used arch
[20:12] <wrst> I really like it, but its not for the faint of heart
[20:12] <wrst> the install is a bit of a pain after you do ita  time or two it isn't bad
[20:12] <wrst> but sinc eit has no installer...
[20:12] <jshanks24_> I might have to try it out
[20:13] <wrst> its fun, but for my personal desktop I love it
[20:13] <wrst> fresh packages etc but for my mom no way
[20:13] <jshanks24_> what does she use?
[20:17] <wrst> have her on ubuntu 12.04
[20:17] <wrst> nice stable and pretty well hands off
[20:17] <jshanks24_> going to upgrade her to 14.04?
[20:18] <wrst> yes more than likely if they don't do anything too crazy with unity
[20:19] <jshanks24_> How ling have you been a member of this team?
[20:19] <jshanks24_> long*
[20:20] <wrst> years...
[20:20] <wrst> I think 2008-2009 something like that
[20:20] <jshanks24_> oh wow
[20:20] <wrst> never has been official
[20:20] <wrst> and official loco
[20:21] <wrst> tried a time or too but just never worked especially in such a geographically diverse state
[20:22] <jshanks24_> I dont know a lot about the teams. I actually just learned about them in a meeting a week ago today.
[20:23] <wrst> yep 2008 for me
[20:23] <wrst> we at one time had IRC meetings and such but they turned to be pretty fruitless
[20:23] <wrst> of course if there was a renewed effort that would be great too
[20:23] <jshanks24_> Yeah that is something I would like to see.
[20:24] <wrst> we can likely try to get somethign going again
[20:24] <wrst> might get a little assistance from Unit193 he's not from TN but he's in the know about ubuntu and stuff :)
[20:25] <jshanks24_> is meeting on IRC the typical way of doing things?
[20:25] <wrst> has been we have people here from memphis to the tri cities
[20:26] <wrst> have had some in person meetings but most of the time its just geographically feasible :)
[20:26] <Unit193> Indeed.
[20:26] <wrst> thank you Unit193 :)
[20:27] <jshanks24_> are you guys into google+?
[20:27] <Unit193> I'm on it, though wrst will tell you I never post. :D
[20:27] <wrst> Unit193: is an internet hermit
[20:28] <wrst> but I like it for the photo/video backups on my phone :)
[20:28] <Unit193> I'm on IRC....
[20:28] <jshanks24_> What I was thinking was using the hangouts system for meetings.
[20:29] <wrst> ahh yes video/voice, that means I might have to look at Unit193
[20:29] <Unit193> Poor eyes.
[20:29] <jshanks24_> you can close them
[20:29] <wrst> eyes or the hangouts? :)
[20:29] <jshanks24_> eyes
[20:30] <wrst> ha ha
[20:30] <jshanks24_> its just an idea. Im the new guy here. I just see it being easier for ppl to attend.
[20:32] <Unit193> wrst: Xubuntu did them once.  Afterwards you get the "Well, are these public and if so how long?" :P
[20:32] <wrst> jshanks24_: we need new guys :)
[20:32] <wrst> could always do skype... :)
[20:33] <jshanks24_> They are not public unless you do the hangouts on air
[20:33] <wrst> an opensource true alternative to skype or hangouts would be mighty nice
[20:33] <jshanks24_> that is tru
[20:34] <wrst> Unit193: how would you suggest we go forward getting things revamped?
[20:34] <wrst> is being an official loco worth the effort?
[20:39] <jshanks24_> when was the website last updated?
[20:41] <wrst> oh mercy been a long time :)
[20:41] <wrst> I'm guessign 2012 since new content?
[20:42] <jshanks24_> who is updating it?
[20:42] <wrst> at one time I had the ability to
[20:43] <wrst> actually netritious is in the know on all of that
[20:49] <Unit193> wrst: It's easier now to be official than it used to, LoCos are on the down.
[20:51] <wrst> Unit193: this is were I want to say that ubuntu is likely rooting the community out anyway so it doesn't matter
[20:51] <wrst> but I wont
[20:52] <Unit193> Mhmm, suuuure.  Already saw you try to convert him to arch, silly boy.
[20:53] <jshanks24_> lol. I cant abandon the Ubuntu things I have going on.
[20:53] <Unit193> jshanks24_: But I'd have to recommend Xubuntu (or Lubuntu) too. :----D
[20:53] <jshanks24_> I tend to like Lubuntu better
[20:54] <jshanks24_> Is anyone her a fan of unity?
[20:54] <jshanks24_> here*
[20:55] <Unit193> Cool, that works.  Tried out 14.04 Lubuntu?  I finally did couple days ago and found it a bit rocky, though fixed several things. :P
[20:55] <Unit193> Could be, not me though.
[20:55] <Unit193> (I don't like gnome at all, but meh.)
[20:55] <jshanks24_> me niether
[20:55] <jshanks24_> I do like gnome though
[20:55] <Unit193> Now, I haven't used it a lot, so there is that, but Xfce is just so fitting for me.
[20:56] <jshanks24_> No I havent tried out 14.04 anything. lol
[20:56] <Unit193> Mmm, that's alright.  I suppose it's more normal for me, I'm somewhat involved in development. :P
[20:57] <Unit193> (Not a dev though.)
[20:59] <jshanks24_> I have been known to switch around a lot on different distros other than ubuntu based so I havent took the time to fully learn Ubuntu like i could have. Now that I am working on my site more, I am trying to stick with Ubuntu stock even if i do hate the unity
[21:03] <Unit193> Stock?  People actually stick with sanity?
[21:03]  * Unit193 hides the output of debsums.
[21:04] <jshanks24_> I need the tutorials to look like what a new user would see on their sceen.
[21:15]  * wrst checks out for a while
[21:16] <Unit193> wrst: Don't do it!
[21:17] <wrst> well not that type of checking out
[23:46] <wrst> wb jshanks24 and chris4585
[23:49] <chris4585> thanks wrst
[23:53] <wrst> hows it going?
[23:55] <Unit193> |>  "Tennessee Stud" by "Johnny Cash" on "American Recordings"   :P
[23:57] <wrst> ahh yes thats a good one and i think live Unit193 ?
[23:57] <Unit193> Sounds like it.  Figured it'd fit in here. :P
[23:57] <Unit193> Not my favorite, but not bad.
[23:57] <wrst> been a while since i have listened to that album
[23:57] <Unit193> Pandora.
[23:58] <wrst> great album overall tom petty and the heartbreakers make a good backup band
[23:58] <Unit193> |>  "A Country Boy Can Survive" by "Hank Williams Jr."   Now this one, something tells me you'd like this channel.