[05:10] <Kilos> hi mazal and others
[05:32] <mazal> Môre oom
[05:40] <inetpro> goeie more
[05:40] <Symmetria> sup
[05:41] <Symmetria> lol I love my drive to work in the mornings, on ocasion when the traffic is looking like crap, I tell my driver to avoid the traffic and drive through the national park 
[05:41] <Symmetria> we just drove past 3 giraffes ;p
[05:41] <bduk> Goeie more al die ubuntu maatjies
[05:42] <bduk> Symmetria: Where do you work? Sound great
[05:42] <Symmetria> bduk heh I moved to Kenya 
[05:44] <bduk> A day must be good if it is starting like that
[05:46] <Symmetria> lol most days can start like that if I choose to get the driver to take that route, just that lol, today is gonan be a long rough day so needed something vaguely interesting before I hit the office
[05:46] <Symmetria> unfortunately we're now outta the game park and back on the highway and there must be an accident or something, traffic is jammed solid
[05:46]  * Symmetria thanks the gods for 3G and a notebook
[05:47] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[05:47] <Kilos> Symmetria, 
[05:47] <Kilos> more bduk 
[05:50] <bduk> More Kilos 
[05:50] <bduk> I thought it was only here in SA that we have traffic jams
[05:51] <Kilos> lol
[05:51] <Symmetria> hahahahahahahaha
[05:52] <Symmetria> bduk SA hasnt ever seen traffic jams like they get in KE 
[05:52] <Symmetria> SA doesnt *HAVE* traffic by comparison
[05:52] <Symmetria> to give you an idea, it takes 15 minutes from work to my house in no traffic
[05:52] <Symmetria> on a bad day in heavy traffic, if you hit it at the wrong time, that can take 4 hours
[05:53] <Symmetria> and kenyan driving rules are... interesting
[05:53] <Symmetria> they basically go something like this
[05:53] <Symmetria> a.) go, and try and not hit anything
[05:53] <Symmetria> b.) he who has the biggest car has the right of way
[05:53] <Symmetria> c.) traffic lights are decorative, ignore them
[05:53] <Symmetria> d.) pavements are there to drive on, irrespective of if people are walking on them or not
[05:54] <Symmetria> e.) if your side of the road is 2 busy, drive on the other side of the road, and hoot at any on coming traffic who dares drive on what is now your side of the road
[05:54] <Symmetria> ;p
[05:54] <Kilos> haha
[05:55] <Symmetria> haha and while that sounds funny, its a pretty accurate description
[05:55] <Kilos> at least they got good internet
[05:55] <bduk> Ha ha. Sound much like ours. I like rule 2. We have one more here if you see a solid white line pass.
[06:17] <mazal> lol
[06:21] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :-)
[06:25] <Kilos> hi somaunn 
[06:40] <somaunn> hi Kilos
[06:40] <somaunn> how are you this morning ?
[06:41] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[06:42] <somaunn> so what's on the desk this morning ?
[06:44] <Kilos> still playing on the 2tb
[06:44] <Kilos> last resort is to zero it so its like a new drive the try direct ubuntu install
[06:45] <Kilos> used drbl xfce and it found some stuff about 
[06:45] <Kilos> um
[06:45] <Kilos> superblock probs
[06:46] <Kilos> forget if it couldnt read or write them
[06:47] <Kilos> also failed to write its own swap in
[06:50] <Kilos> all told i must have spent 3 weeks on it. even flashed drive firmware and replaced with new firmware
[06:51] <Kilos> hehe. its kept me busy in boring times
[06:51] <Kilos> thats why i have 2 pcs going. one for here and one to play on
[07:04] <somaunn> coming back
[07:04] <somaunn> have some stuffs to do
[07:04] <Kilos> col
[07:08] <somaunn> back
[07:24] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:29] <Vince-0> Hi
[07:31] <Kilos> you ok Vince-0 ?
[07:32] <Kilos> strange to see a striaght hi from you not a ! or something
[07:32] <Kilos> straight
[07:35] <Kilos> oh my inetpro i see now the option to install the bootloader somewhere else
[07:36] <Kilos> it offered to use my modem for it. so unplugged the modem a plugged in a small stick
[07:36] <Kilos> hopefully it sees it
[07:36] <somaunn> Kilos: so now you can fix your hdd issue
[07:36] <Kilos> i hope so
[07:36] <Kilos> hope 125m is big enough
[07:40] <Vince-0> I'm OK!
[07:40] <Vince-0> work work
[07:50] <somaunn> Kilos: yeah i think 125 is correct
[07:50] <somaunn> or you make it 200m
[07:52] <Kilos> i only have this small one and then ig and 4g and 16g
[07:52] <Kilos> if it fits on 125m that will be great
[07:53] <somaunn> i've seen some scheme of partitioning where peoples only allocae 65m to the boot partition
[07:53] <somaunn> i don't really know about that but i personally go / only 
[07:54] <somaunn> its works well for me so i don't have to worry
[07:54] <somaunn> one of these days i will try mecanical partitioning
[07:54] <somaunn> but on Vmachine not on production unit
[07:54] <Kilos> eish it wants to install it to my 4g that has the os on
[07:56] <somaunn> serverfault.com says 100m or 200m is the norm
[08:00] <Kilos> ai!
[08:06] <somaunn> Kilos: when i looked at superuser.com there is a topics on that and the advise is 60m /more if it's fedora or ig you plan to experiment or have several kernel installed
[08:06] <Kilos> cool ty
[08:07] <somaunn> so you are on ubuntu means you have a choice but 125m is a good start
[08:07] <Kilos> just gotta make the installer find my 125m. its clean so dunno if it needs something on it to make ubuntu see it as place for the boot loader
[08:08] <Kilos> trying to partition root and boot at end of drive
[08:08] <Kilos> maybe that works
[08:10] <somaunn> Kilos: Redhat recommand 250mb for /boot partition
[08:10] <Kilos> whew
[08:11] <Kilos> lemme first try putting root and boot at end of drive and /scrap in beginning
[08:13] <Kilos> whew now it tells me it wants a 35m partition marked as EFI boot partition
[08:17] <somaunn> is this possible
[08:17] <Kilos> lol
[08:17] <Kilos> weird
[08:18] <Kilos> but interesting
[08:18] <somaunn> i realized just minutes ago that website talking about linux (ubuntu.com, redhat.com, etc...) loads faster than website talking about windows (bing.com, microsoft.com etc...)
[08:18] <Kilos> i have put a boot partition on /sda2
[08:19] <Kilos> its trying to install, so lets see where it crashes
[08:19] <somaunn> Kilos: it wont crash 
[08:19] <somaunn> be positive
[08:20] <Kilos> haha
[08:21] <Kilos> didnt know you can put root and boot away from the beginning of the drive
[08:24] <Kilos> i/o error during write on /devsda
[08:24] <Kilos> sigh
[08:25] <somaunn> Kilos: now you know
[08:25] <Kilos> maybe i must convert it to uefi drive
[08:25] <Kilos> i dunno where that efi stuff came from
[08:25] <Kilos> might be corrution
[08:25] <Kilos> corruption
[08:26] <Kilos> lol
[08:26] <charl> good morning
[08:26] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:26]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:26] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:26] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:26] <charl> hi somaunn 
[08:26] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:26] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[08:26] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[08:26] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[08:26] <charl> how's it going Kilos 
[08:26] <charl> lol
[08:27] <Kilos> good ty and you
[08:27] <somaunn> hi charl
[08:27] <charl> Kilos: i'm good thanks
[08:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:30] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:30] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:31] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:31] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[08:32] <charl> ok i got a busy day today, probably won't be online much
[08:32] <charl> need to finish an application off for tomorrow's demonstration
[08:32] <charl> ttyl
[08:34] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/84501/how-can-i-change-convert-a-ubuntu-mbr-drive-to-a-gpt-and-make-ubuntu-boot-from
[08:34] <Kilos> will first try the drive zero option then maybe convert
[08:35] <Kilos> looks like lotsa work the gpt thing
[08:36] <Kilos> when a drive is zeroed the bios should do the new mbr thing
[08:48] <somaunn> can it be possible to have website talking about linux to load even faster than website talking about microsoft ?
[09:02] <somaunn> hello
[09:02] <somaunn> no one there
[09:03] <Kilos> where
[09:05] <somaunn> on the channel
[09:09] <Kilos> yeah they just very busy at work
[09:09] <Kilos> sometimes you can wait hours
[09:11] <Kilos> if you want to check if you are stil;l connected type in maaz hi
[09:11] <Kilos> if the bot answers then everyone else is busy or afk
[09:12] <somaunn> maaz hi
[09:12] <Maaz> Hello somaunn
[09:14] <Kilos> somaunn, you dont use tab complete for nicks?
[09:14] <Kilos> sorts the nick and caps for you
[09:14] <Kilos> type in first three letters and hit tab
[09:17] <somaunn> hi do why
[09:20] <somaunn> i found it usefull method of name completion
[09:25] <Kilos> oh i just saw maaz without the capital M
[09:32] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:37] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:39] <Kilos> hi liamT 
[10:40] <liamT> hi hi
[10:43] <liamT> @somaunn - things that weren't in the EPEL repos ?
[10:43] <somaunn> liamT: not getting you 
[10:49] <somaunn> liamT: hi you there ?
[10:53] <liamT> si here sorry
[10:53] <liamT> from your statement last night, that centos didn't have alot of things. Do you remember which things these were ?
[10:57] <somaunn> liamT: okay i see
[10:58] <somaunn> infact i tried CentOS but did find it so impressive like all it's said everywhere
[10:58] <somaunn> had hard time with my drivers (just to say that) and other stuffs too
[10:59] <somaunn> then i installed Rhel 6.1 beta and was impressed to see everything working like a charm
[10:59] <liamT> you using it as a server ?
[11:04] <somaunn> liamT: not was making a try to see if i could use it as both my srv_os (on a desktop pc) and desktop_os (my laptop)
[11:05] <somaunn> i don't accuse or say bad things about CentOS these peoples did a great job but still compared to my Fed 20 i had to do many things hand after installing the OS
[11:05] <liamT> i see, i would think using it as a client would be difficult
[11:05] <liamT> often the EPEL repos have the extras
[11:07] <liamT> i'm quite keen to try Gentoo
[11:07] <liamT> or even Arch
[11:07] <somaunn> yeah, liamT
[11:08] <somaunn> will see if i give a try to Gentoo some day
[11:08] <somaunn> but still i'm currently studying to pass my RHCSA and maybe RHCE exam
[11:08] <liamT> well then RH it is
[11:09] <somaunn> so i think it's not gonna be correct if keep on moving along the distro
[11:09] <somaunn> i will stick at rhel, pay what need to be paid for and work with
[12:47] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[13:50] <somaunn> Hello i'm back
[14:45] <Kilos> hi somaunn 
[14:52] <somaunn> Yeha Kilos
[14:54] <Kilos> inetpro, storming here now
[14:54] <Kilos> come form ne where you stay
[14:54] <Kilos> from
[14:56] <somaunn> inetpro: came back from congo ?
[14:56] <Kilos> he lives here
[14:56] <Kilos> dont think he been to the congo
[14:56] <somaunn> ah ok sorry i read your words upside down
[14:57] <Kilos> np
[14:57] <Kilos> you in the congo
[14:57] <Kilos> dunno who else
[14:57] <somaunn> yeah
[15:23] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[15:24] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos
[15:24] <charl> ooh this is very good
[15:24] <charl> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/01/what-do-you-want-copyright-tell-eu-now
[15:24] <charl> "What Do You Want From Copyright? Tell the EU now and Change the Future of Global Innovation Policy"
[15:24] <charl> hi Kilos, nlsthzn 
[15:24] <Kilos> hi charl 
[15:25] <nlsthzn> hi charl
[15:26] <charl> i'm looking at the questions on http://copywrongs.eu/ but fortunately i only have one real problem: "YouTube videos are not available/playable in my country"
[15:49] <Kilos> grrrr stupid modem
[16:04] <Golynx> Hi Kilos. Can you please tell me if this is okay. I checked almost all the checkboxes in update manager , plus the security. Did a check and it gave me this at Update manager . 162 updates have been selected. 184,3 MB will be downloaded.
[16:05] <Kilos> hi Golynx 
[16:05] <Kilos> thats most likely it Golynx 
[16:05] <Kilos> but wait
[16:06] <Kilos> dont tick them all
[16:06] <Kilos> lets work through them
[16:06] <Golynx> Okay so its not all of them
[16:06] <Kilos> open update manager
[16:07] <Golynx> Its open
[16:07] <Kilos> in updates 1st 2nd and 4th must be ticked
[16:08] <Kilos> you dont need prerelease info
[16:08] <Kilos> in ubuntu software you dont need source code
[16:08] <Golynx> That 3rd one is ticked
[16:08] <Kilos> in updates untick it
[16:09] <Golynx> Ok
[16:09] <Kilos> in other software
[16:10] <Kilos> what is ticked there by you
[16:10] <Golynx> The first 4 
[16:11] <Kilos> only the third and 5th need ticking
[16:11] <Kilos> i have opera in there as well but unticked it too
[16:12] <Golynx> The fourth is "Independant" and fifth is "remastersys"
[16:14] <Kilos> ok wait
[16:14] <Kilos> mine is different
[16:14] <Golynx> oh
[16:15] <Kilos> tick only canonical partners and independant
[16:15] <Kilos> then when you close tick reload
[16:15] <Golynx> Ok , the (Source code) ones i left unticked
[16:15] <Kilos> thats same as sudo apt-get update
[16:16] <Kilos> yeah
[16:16] <Kilos> source code is for programmers to use and modify
[16:17] <Golynx> Wait in Ubuntu software , must the first 4 be tivcked
[16:18] <Kilos> yes you only untick source code
[16:18] <Golynx> Ok cool, will tick Close then
[16:18] <Kilos> the third one you will see is for drivers
[16:18] <Kilos> close 
[16:19] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get update
[16:19] <Kilos> or 
[16:19] <Kilos> if you hit reload there it will show how much it needs to upgrade
[16:19] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[16:19] <Golynx> Should i close update manager too
[16:20] <Golynx> I see no reload though
[16:20] <Kilos> did you reload on that button?
[16:20] <Kilos> close the first window
[16:20] <Kilos> reload should show now
[16:21] <Golynx> I closed the settings it is in the update manager start screen
[16:21] <Kilos> then reload there
[16:21] <Golynx> or is reload the check button ?
[16:21] <Kilos> check ya
[16:21] <Kilos> i got reload inna popup
[16:21] <Golynx> Ok
[16:22] <Golynx> Its updating cache
[16:22] <Kilos> yes the cache is what it sees you can get for upgrading
[16:23] <Kilos> its like a file with packages names
[16:23] <Kilos> the real packages are still online
[16:23] <Golynx> Ok
[16:24] <Vince-0> Hi
[16:24] <Vince-0> Kilos: 
[16:24] <Vince-0> oh nothin
[16:25] <Kilos> lol
[16:27] <Golynx> Right , Update manager gives this, 134 updates have been selected. 154,4 MB will be downloaded.
[16:28] <Golynx> less than the old check
[16:28] <Kilos> thats only if you tick the ok buttonon the right bottom. apply or something
[16:28] <Kilos> yes you didnt need the other stuff
[16:29] <Kilos> oh its the install updates button
[16:29] <Kilos> next to check
[16:29] <Kilos> i had to open it again and look
[16:30] <Golynx> So thats all ubuntu needs at this time until there are more upgrades ?
[16:30] <Kilos> yes
[16:30] <Kilos> and they are getting fewer
[16:30] <Golynx> Yes, but i just wanted to make sure its not as big as i though , like more than 500MB or a gig
[16:31] <Kilos> nope
[16:31] <Golynx> So thats nice to know
[16:31] <Kilos> if you upgrade to the next release then it will be big like that
[16:31] <Golynx> Ok ty Kilos
[16:31] <Kilos> but the next release has run outa support time
[16:31] <Kilos> yw
[16:32] <Golynx> Ok, take care 
[16:32] <Kilos> lts is supported for 3 years
[16:32] <Kilos> you too
[16:32] <Kilos> Vince-0, told you hed be back
[16:33] <Vince-0> more complaining?
[16:33] <Kilos> now it might be easier to sort probs because his pc will at least be up to date
[16:33] <Kilos> nope
[16:33] <Kilos> asked nicely for help
[16:34] <Vince-0> ha, and so the knowledge of the father is imparted unto the son
[16:34] <Kilos> he had even killed the last kernel that was on the dvd and chose an earlier one
[16:35] <Kilos> lets hope now that there arent probs with ubuntu and that kinda lappy
[16:36] <Kilos> i get sad when peeps battle with buntu
[16:37] <Vince-0> point 'em to Fedora
[16:37] <Kilos> lol
[16:37] <Vince-0> ha! no jokes
[16:37] <Kilos> i dont have a fedora dvd for him
[16:37] <Kilos> or the postage
[16:37] <Vince-0> I've had nothing but working device drivers on my Dell XPS - synaptic, graphics, hdmi out
[16:37] <Kilos> ubuntu must work man
[16:38] <Vince-0> looks like we need to start a project for shipping disks 'cos Canonical is too broke to do it any more
[16:38] <Kilos> and i can help peeps with unity when i can see it in front of me
[16:48] <somaunn> Kilos: nice story
[16:48] <somaunn> Vince-0: good idea
[16:48] <Kilos> somaunn, ?
[16:49] <somaunn> i also struggled getting my original Ubuntu some years ago when i was in S.A for study
[16:49] <Kilos> ah
[16:49] <somaunn> came after several weeks and i realized they where shipped from UK, ohhhhhh my word
[16:50] <Kilos> when i started the guys helped me here so if i can help some noob i feel i must if i can
[16:50] <somaunn> then moved to a company who ship DVD and CD internally in S.A (just need to pay few fees that include burning)
[16:53] <somaunn> Kilos: they may help fixing your issue with peeps lOl
[16:53] <Kilos> lol
[16:54] <Kilos> sometimes its hard to communicate with youngsters. they see things differently
[16:55] <Kilos> oh somaunn i can now use the 2Tb as storage
[16:55] <Kilos> 1.6TB that is
[16:56] <Kilos> yesterday this drive didnt even see it
[16:56] <Kilos> might still install ubuntu on it and use this drive for it to boot from
[16:57] <Kilos> and it has xp on first 70g
[17:03] <somaunn> Kilos: happy to earh that
[17:03] <somaunn> but i would suggest you keep it for storage but keep an eye open regarding your backup
[17:03] <somaunn> yeah i know it's not easy to talk to youngsters
[17:04] <somaunn> but you are more skilled then any of them
[17:04] <somaunn> this website may help http://orderweb.co.za/linuxshop/
[17:25] <Kilos> oh ty thats good to know
[17:26] <Kilos> yeah ill maybe run bad blocks on it and then just store stuff there
[17:27] <Kilos> i keep my backups on a storage partition on each working drive
[17:27] <somaunn> i also have a 2TB hdd on my HP workstation which makes noises etc... i never put my OS in there but somewhere else
[17:28] <Kilos> lol
[17:28] <somaunn> Kilos: i suggest you buy a NAS and put things there in a network place
[17:28] <somaunn> they are cheep and reliable
[17:30] <Kilos> na i havent got much important stuff. so save whats important on my external. one can even do without backups if necessary
[17:30] <somaunn> these guys are doing great but cheep solutions http://www.synology.com/en-uk/
[17:30] <Kilos> i dont have lotsa work stuff and all the stuff you guys have
[18:03] <somaunn> Kilos: yeah
[18:03] <somaunn> which type of virus sucks the max of bandwidth
[18:04] <Kilos> whew
[18:04] <Kilos> i dont get virii
[18:04] <Kilos> what prob you got?
[18:22] <magespawn> good evening all
[18:23] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:24] <magespawn> how is it going Kilos ?
[18:24] <charl> hi magespawn 
[18:24] <charl> long time no speak to
[18:24] <magespawn> hey charl
[18:24] <charl> you still playing with wireless stuff?
[18:25] <Kilos> good ty and you magespawn ?
[18:26] <magespawn> yup most definitely charl
[18:26] <magespawn> all good Kilos, i got the job at the head office
[18:26] <charl> oh you moving up the corporate ladder already? :P
[18:26] <Kilos> wonderful magespawn when you leaving
[18:27] <magespawn> looks like it, they did just have the previous guy leave
[18:27] <Kilos> congrats
[18:27] <Kilos> make sure they pay accordingly
[18:27] <charl> yeah congrats
[18:27] <Kilos> you gonna work even harder now
[18:27] <magespawn> i will be spliting my time between Bonamanzi and the head office for now
[18:27] <Kilos> im happy for you lad
[18:28] <magespawn> there are other properties that will also need my attention.
[18:28] <magespawn> thanks Kilos
[18:29] <magespawn> I will probable be online more during the first half of the week
[18:29] <charl> it's about time :P
[18:29] <charl> have you gotten your home connectivity sorted?
[18:29] <magespawn> i start this coming monday with the new time table
[18:30] <magespawn> not yet charl, the moving of the telkom line is giving me hassels
[18:30] <charl> bah
[18:31] <charl> at work we also got some new toys, we are moving onto a voip based telephone system
[18:31] <magespawn> cool beans, which one?
[18:31] <charl> it's not open source though, it's microsoft lync which is based on sip/simple but yeah, it's microsoft
[18:32] <charl> it does have the benefit of integrating with microsoft exchange, which means your presence is automatically updated according to your outlook calendar
[18:32] <charl> and it integrates with skype, people can phone me on my office phone for free now :)
[18:32] <charl> i actually use bitlbee with libpurple and the open source sipe library
[18:33] <magespawn> seems like all that could be done by something like asterisk
[18:33] <charl> so i have a network telephone for voip and i have bitlbee for instant messaging
[18:33] <charl> probably not the integration with exchange or skype but it most definitely could have been asterisk (for the greater part)
[18:33] <charl> and instant messaging you could have done with xmpp instead
[18:33] <charl> but then you have three loose systems, and now they are one integrated system
[18:34] <magespawn> asterisk will do skype and iCal integration
[18:34] <charl> oh that's nice, i didn't know that
[18:34] <charl> does it support simple for IM too?
[18:34] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMPLE
[18:35] <magespawn> i am not even close to being an expert just been reading a lot, the lodge and head office both run asterisk
[18:36] <magespawn> http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk-IM+-+Jive+Software+Integration
[18:37] <charl> very interesting
[18:37] <charl> yeah asteisk has also been moving forward, i have not been following it that closely the last number of years
[18:41] <Kilos> aw ive lost sound in xchat
[18:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:41] <magespawn> mute buttons will do that
[18:42] <Kilos> is there a mute button in xchat
[18:42] <Kilos> no man
[18:43] <Kilos> gonna restart xchat
[18:43] <Kilos> wbb
[18:43] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[18:43] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[18:43] <Kilos> eish
[19:35] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:39] <magespawn> hey all 
[19:39] <magespawn> i see Kilos has gone to bed already
[19:40] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos that was meant as a joke
[19:40] <Maaz> magespawn: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:25] <magespawn> good night all