[05:10] hi mazal and others [05:32] Môre oom [05:40] goeie more [05:40] sup [05:41] lol I love my drive to work in the mornings, on ocasion when the traffic is looking like crap, I tell my driver to avoid the traffic and drive through the national park [05:41] we just drove past 3 giraffes ;p [05:41] Goeie more al die ubuntu maatjies [05:42] Symmetria: Where do you work? Sound great [05:42] bduk heh I moved to Kenya [05:44] A day must be good if it is starting like that === spin123456 is now known as spinza [05:46] lol most days can start like that if I choose to get the driver to take that route, just that lol, today is gonan be a long rough day so needed something vaguely interesting before I hit the office [05:46] unfortunately we're now outta the game park and back on the highway and there must be an accident or something, traffic is jammed solid [05:46] * Symmetria thanks the gods for 3G and a notebook [05:47] hi inetpro [05:47] Symmetria, [05:47] more bduk [05:50] More Kilos [05:50] I thought it was only here in SA that we have traffic jams [05:51] lol [05:51] hahahahahahahaha [05:52] bduk SA hasnt ever seen traffic jams like they get in KE [05:52] SA doesnt *HAVE* traffic by comparison [05:52] to give you an idea, it takes 15 minutes from work to my house in no traffic [05:52] on a bad day in heavy traffic, if you hit it at the wrong time, that can take 4 hours [05:53] and kenyan driving rules are... interesting [05:53] they basically go something like this [05:53] a.) go, and try and not hit anything [05:53] b.) he who has the biggest car has the right of way [05:53] c.) traffic lights are decorative, ignore them [05:53] d.) pavements are there to drive on, irrespective of if people are walking on them or not [05:54] e.) if your side of the road is 2 busy, drive on the other side of the road, and hoot at any on coming traffic who dares drive on what is now your side of the road [05:54] ;p [05:54] haha [05:55] haha and while that sounds funny, its a pretty accurate description [05:55] at least they got good internet [05:55] Ha ha. Sound much like ours. I like rule 2. We have one more here if you see a solid white line pass. [06:17] lol [06:21] morning ThatGraemeGuy [06:22] morning :-) [06:25] hi somaunn [06:40] hi Kilos [06:40] how are you this morning ? [06:41] good ty and you? [06:42] so what's on the desk this morning ? [06:44] still playing on the 2tb [06:44] last resort is to zero it so its like a new drive the try direct ubuntu install [06:45] used drbl xfce and it found some stuff about [06:45] um [06:45] superblock probs [06:46] forget if it couldnt read or write them [06:47] also failed to write its own swap in [06:50] all told i must have spent 3 weeks on it. even flashed drive firmware and replaced with new firmware [06:51] hehe. its kept me busy in boring times [06:51] thats why i have 2 pcs going. one for here and one to play on [07:04] coming back [07:04] have some stuffs to do [07:04] col [07:08] back [07:24] hi Vince-0 [07:29] Hi [07:31] you ok Vince-0 ? [07:32] strange to see a striaght hi from you not a ! or something [07:32] straight [07:35] oh my inetpro i see now the option to install the bootloader somewhere else [07:36] it offered to use my modem for it. so unplugged the modem a plugged in a small stick [07:36] hopefully it sees it [07:36] Kilos: so now you can fix your hdd issue [07:36] i hope so [07:36] hope 125m is big enough [07:40] I'm OK! [07:40] work work [07:50] Kilos: yeah i think 125 is correct [07:50] or you make it 200m [07:52] i only have this small one and then ig and 4g and 16g [07:52] if it fits on 125m that will be great [07:53] i've seen some scheme of partitioning where peoples only allocae 65m to the boot partition [07:53] i don't really know about that but i personally go / only [07:54] its works well for me so i don't have to worry [07:54] one of these days i will try mecanical partitioning [07:54] but on Vmachine not on production unit [07:54] eish it wants to install it to my 4g that has the os on [07:56] serverfault.com says 100m or 200m is the norm [08:00] ai! [08:06] Kilos: when i looked at superuser.com there is a topics on that and the advise is 60m /more if it's fedora or ig you plan to experiment or have several kernel installed [08:06] cool ty [08:07] so you are on ubuntu means you have a choice but 125m is a good start [08:07] just gotta make the installer find my 125m. its clean so dunno if it needs something on it to make ubuntu see it as place for the boot loader [08:08] trying to partition root and boot at end of drive [08:08] maybe that works [08:10] Kilos: Redhat recommand 250mb for /boot partition [08:10] whew [08:11] lemme first try putting root and boot at end of drive and /scrap in beginning [08:13] whew now it tells me it wants a 35m partition marked as EFI boot partition [08:17] is this possible [08:17] lol [08:17] weird [08:18] but interesting [08:18] i realized just minutes ago that website talking about linux (ubuntu.com, redhat.com, etc...) loads faster than website talking about windows (bing.com, microsoft.com etc...) [08:18] i have put a boot partition on /sda2 [08:19] its trying to install, so lets see where it crashes [08:19] Kilos: it wont crash [08:19] be positive [08:20] haha [08:21] didnt know you can put root and boot away from the beginning of the drive [08:24] i/o error during write on /devsda [08:24] sigh [08:25] Kilos: now you know [08:25] maybe i must convert it to uefi drive [08:25] i dunno where that efi stuff came from [08:25] might be corrution [08:25] corruption [08:26] lol [08:26] good morning [08:26] Maaz: coffee on [08:26] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:26] hi charl [08:26] hi Kilos [08:26] hi somaunn [08:26] Maaz, coffee please [08:26] Kilos: Yessir [08:26] Maaz, large [08:26] In a beer mug just for you Kilos [08:26] how's it going Kilos [08:26] lol [08:27] good ty and you [08:27] hi charl [08:27] Kilos: i'm good thanks [08:30] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [08:30] Maaz, ty [08:30] You are welcome Kilos [08:31] Maaz: thanks [08:31] charl: No problem [08:32] ok i got a busy day today, probably won't be online much [08:32] need to finish an application off for tomorrow's demonstration [08:32] ttyl [08:34] http://askubuntu.com/questions/84501/how-can-i-change-convert-a-ubuntu-mbr-drive-to-a-gpt-and-make-ubuntu-boot-from [08:34] will first try the drive zero option then maybe convert [08:35] looks like lotsa work the gpt thing [08:36] when a drive is zeroed the bios should do the new mbr thing [08:48] can it be possible to have website talking about linux to load even faster than website talking about microsoft ? [09:02] hello [09:02] no one there [09:03] where [09:05] on the channel [09:09] yeah they just very busy at work [09:09] sometimes you can wait hours [09:11] if you want to check if you are stil;l connected type in maaz hi [09:11] if the bot answers then everyone else is busy or afk [09:12] maaz hi [09:12] Hello somaunn [09:14] somaunn, you dont use tab complete for nicks? [09:14] sorts the nick and caps for you [09:14] type in first three letters and hit tab [09:17] hi do why [09:20] i found it usefull method of name completion [09:25] oh i just saw maaz without the capital M [09:32] hi psyatw [09:37] hi Kilos [09:39] hi liamT [10:40] hi hi [10:43] @somaunn - things that weren't in the EPEL repos ? [10:43] liamT: not getting you [10:49] liamT: hi you there ? [10:53] si here sorry [10:53] from your statement last night, that centos didn't have alot of things. Do you remember which things these were ? [10:57] liamT: okay i see [10:58] infact i tried CentOS but did find it so impressive like all it's said everywhere [10:58] had hard time with my drivers (just to say that) and other stuffs too [10:59] then i installed Rhel 6.1 beta and was impressed to see everything working like a charm [10:59] you using it as a server ? [11:04] liamT: not was making a try to see if i could use it as both my srv_os (on a desktop pc) and desktop_os (my laptop) [11:05] i don't accuse or say bad things about CentOS these peoples did a great job but still compared to my Fed 20 i had to do many things hand after installing the OS [11:05] i see, i would think using it as a client would be difficult [11:05] often the EPEL repos have the extras [11:07] i'm quite keen to try Gentoo [11:07] or even Arch [11:07] yeah, liamT [11:08] will see if i give a try to Gentoo some day [11:08] but still i'm currently studying to pass my RHCSA and maybe RHCE exam [11:08] well then RH it is [11:09] so i think it's not gonna be correct if keep on moving along the distro [11:09] i will stick at rhel, pay what need to be paid for and work with [12:47] Bye everyone , enjoy your evening [13:50] Hello i'm back [14:45] hi somaunn [14:52] Yeha Kilos [14:54] inetpro, storming here now [14:54] come form ne where you stay [14:54] from [14:56] inetpro: came back from congo ? [14:56] he lives here [14:56] dont think he been to the congo [14:56] ah ok sorry i read your words upside down [14:57] np [14:57] you in the congo [14:57] dunno who else [14:57] yeah [15:23] hi nlsthzn [15:24] hi uncle Kilos [15:24] ooh this is very good [15:24] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/01/what-do-you-want-copyright-tell-eu-now [15:24] "What Do You Want From Copyright? Tell the EU now and Change the Future of Global Innovation Policy" [15:24] hi Kilos, nlsthzn [15:24] hi charl [15:25] hi charl [15:26] i'm looking at the questions on http://copywrongs.eu/ but fortunately i only have one real problem: "YouTube videos are not available/playable in my country" [15:49] grrrr stupid modem [16:04] Hi Kilos. Can you please tell me if this is okay. I checked almost all the checkboxes in update manager , plus the security. Did a check and it gave me this at Update manager . 162 updates have been selected. 184,3 MB will be downloaded. [16:05] hi Golynx [16:05] thats most likely it Golynx [16:05] but wait [16:06] dont tick them all [16:06] lets work through them [16:06] Okay so its not all of them [16:06] open update manager [16:07] Its open [16:07] in updates 1st 2nd and 4th must be ticked [16:08] you dont need prerelease info [16:08] in ubuntu software you dont need source code [16:08] That 3rd one is ticked [16:08] in updates untick it [16:09] Ok [16:09] in other software [16:10] what is ticked there by you [16:10] The first 4 [16:11] only the third and 5th need ticking [16:11] i have opera in there as well but unticked it too [16:12] The fourth is "Independant" and fifth is "remastersys" [16:14] ok wait [16:14] mine is different [16:14] oh [16:15] tick only canonical partners and independant [16:15] then when you close tick reload [16:15] Ok , the (Source code) ones i left unticked [16:15] thats same as sudo apt-get update [16:16] yeah [16:16] source code is for programmers to use and modify [16:17] Wait in Ubuntu software , must the first 4 be tivcked [16:18] yes you only untick source code [16:18] Ok cool, will tick Close then [16:18] the third one you will see is for drivers [16:18] close [16:19] then sudo apt-get update [16:19] or [16:19] if you hit reload there it will show how much it needs to upgrade [16:19] hi Vince-0 [16:19] Should i close update manager too [16:20] I see no reload though [16:20] did you reload on that button? [16:20] close the first window [16:20] reload should show now [16:21] I closed the settings it is in the update manager start screen [16:21] then reload there [16:21] or is reload the check button ? [16:21] check ya [16:21] i got reload inna popup [16:21] Ok [16:22] Its updating cache [16:22] yes the cache is what it sees you can get for upgrading [16:23] its like a file with packages names [16:23] the real packages are still online [16:23] Ok [16:24] Hi [16:24] Kilos: [16:24] oh nothin [16:25] lol [16:27] Right , Update manager gives this, 134 updates have been selected. 154,4 MB will be downloaded. [16:28] less than the old check [16:28] thats only if you tick the ok buttonon the right bottom. apply or something [16:28] yes you didnt need the other stuff [16:29] oh its the install updates button [16:29] next to check [16:29] i had to open it again and look [16:30] So thats all ubuntu needs at this time until there are more upgrades ? [16:30] yes [16:30] and they are getting fewer [16:30] Yes, but i just wanted to make sure its not as big as i though , like more than 500MB or a gig [16:31] nope [16:31] So thats nice to know [16:31] if you upgrade to the next release then it will be big like that [16:31] Ok ty Kilos [16:31] but the next release has run outa support time [16:31] yw [16:32] Ok, take care [16:32] lts is supported for 3 years [16:32] you too [16:32] Vince-0, told you hed be back [16:33] more complaining? [16:33] now it might be easier to sort probs because his pc will at least be up to date [16:33] nope [16:33] asked nicely for help [16:34] ha, and so the knowledge of the father is imparted unto the son [16:34] he had even killed the last kernel that was on the dvd and chose an earlier one [16:35] lets hope now that there arent probs with ubuntu and that kinda lappy [16:36] i get sad when peeps battle with buntu [16:37] point 'em to Fedora [16:37] lol [16:37] ha! no jokes [16:37] i dont have a fedora dvd for him [16:37] or the postage [16:37] I've had nothing but working device drivers on my Dell XPS - synaptic, graphics, hdmi out [16:37] ubuntu must work man [16:38] looks like we need to start a project for shipping disks 'cos Canonical is too broke to do it any more [16:38] and i can help peeps with unity when i can see it in front of me [16:48] Kilos: nice story [16:48] Vince-0: good idea [16:48] somaunn, ? [16:49] i also struggled getting my original Ubuntu some years ago when i was in S.A for study [16:49] ah [16:49] came after several weeks and i realized they where shipped from UK, ohhhhhh my word [16:50] when i started the guys helped me here so if i can help some noob i feel i must if i can [16:50] then moved to a company who ship DVD and CD internally in S.A (just need to pay few fees that include burning) [16:53] Kilos: they may help fixing your issue with peeps lOl [16:53] lol [16:54] sometimes its hard to communicate with youngsters. they see things differently [16:55] oh somaunn i can now use the 2Tb as storage [16:55] 1.6TB that is [16:56] yesterday this drive didnt even see it [16:56] might still install ubuntu on it and use this drive for it to boot from [16:57] and it has xp on first 70g [17:03] Kilos: happy to earh that [17:03] but i would suggest you keep it for storage but keep an eye open regarding your backup [17:03] yeah i know it's not easy to talk to youngsters [17:04] but you are more skilled then any of them [17:04] this website may help http://orderweb.co.za/linuxshop/ [17:25] oh ty thats good to know [17:26] yeah ill maybe run bad blocks on it and then just store stuff there [17:27] i keep my backups on a storage partition on each working drive [17:27] i also have a 2TB hdd on my HP workstation which makes noises etc... i never put my OS in there but somewhere else [17:28] lol [17:28] Kilos: i suggest you buy a NAS and put things there in a network place [17:28] they are cheep and reliable [17:30] na i havent got much important stuff. so save whats important on my external. one can even do without backups if necessary [17:30] these guys are doing great but cheep solutions http://www.synology.com/en-uk/ [17:30] i dont have lotsa work stuff and all the stuff you guys have [18:03] Kilos: yeah [18:03] which type of virus sucks the max of bandwidth [18:04] whew [18:04] i dont get virii [18:04] what prob you got? [18:22] good evening all [18:23] hi magespawn [18:24] how is it going Kilos ? [18:24] hi magespawn [18:24] long time no speak to [18:24] hey charl [18:24] you still playing with wireless stuff? [18:25] good ty and you magespawn ? [18:26] yup most definitely charl [18:26] all good Kilos, i got the job at the head office [18:26] oh you moving up the corporate ladder already? :P [18:26] wonderful magespawn when you leaving [18:27] looks like it, they did just have the previous guy leave [18:27] congrats [18:27] make sure they pay accordingly [18:27] yeah congrats [18:27] you gonna work even harder now [18:27] i will be spliting my time between Bonamanzi and the head office for now [18:27] im happy for you lad [18:28] there are other properties that will also need my attention. [18:28] thanks Kilos [18:29] I will probable be online more during the first half of the week [18:29] it's about time :P [18:29] have you gotten your home connectivity sorted? [18:29] i start this coming monday with the new time table [18:30] not yet charl, the moving of the telkom line is giving me hassels [18:30] bah [18:31] at work we also got some new toys, we are moving onto a voip based telephone system [18:31] cool beans, which one? [18:31] it's not open source though, it's microsoft lync which is based on sip/simple but yeah, it's microsoft [18:32] it does have the benefit of integrating with microsoft exchange, which means your presence is automatically updated according to your outlook calendar [18:32] and it integrates with skype, people can phone me on my office phone for free now :) [18:32] i actually use bitlbee with libpurple and the open source sipe library [18:33] seems like all that could be done by something like asterisk [18:33] so i have a network telephone for voip and i have bitlbee for instant messaging [18:33] probably not the integration with exchange or skype but it most definitely could have been asterisk (for the greater part) [18:33] and instant messaging you could have done with xmpp instead [18:33] but then you have three loose systems, and now they are one integrated system [18:34] asterisk will do skype and iCal integration [18:34] oh that's nice, i didn't know that [18:34] does it support simple for IM too? [18:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMPLE [18:35] i am not even close to being an expert just been reading a lot, the lodge and head office both run asterisk [18:36] http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk-IM+-+Jive+Software+Integration [18:37] very interesting [18:37] yeah asteisk has also been moving forward, i have not been following it that closely the last number of years [18:41] aw ive lost sound in xchat [18:41] hmm... [18:41] mute buttons will do that [18:42] is there a mute button in xchat [18:42] no man [18:43] gonna restart xchat [18:43] wbb [18:43] Maaz, hi [18:43] Howzit Kilos [18:43] eish [19:35] night all. sleep tight [19:39] hey all [19:39] i see Kilos has gone to bed already [19:40] Maaz tell Kilos that was meant as a joke [19:40] magespawn: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [20:25] good night all