[00:03] <cuqa> hey friends
[00:03] <cuqa> on my multi monitor setup video full screens are always displayed at the main screen regardless at which display the fullscreen was demanded
[00:03] <cuqa> does anyone of you know where to get a fix for that?
[00:05] <kiw0> bye everyone
[00:06] <soulasassin> can anyone help me with a usb issue? ive just moved from windows to ubuntu 13.10 and it wont detect any usb thumbdrives at all. ive tried running fdisk -l and they arent being detected
[00:07] <cuqa> soulasassin: whats a thumbdrive?
[00:07] <soulasassin> a usb memory stick
[00:08] <cuqa> if thats not even detected by fdisk -l then this is very bad
[00:08] <cuqa> sounds like its broken
[00:08] <bekks> soulasassin: Can you please plug it out, wait 10s, plug it back in, wait 10s again, and then pastebin "dmesg" please?
[00:08] <cuqa> or do you mean no partitions are found?
[00:08] <bekks> !pastebin | soulasassin
[00:10] <sander_ant> howdy
[00:11] <cuqa> howdy ho
[00:11] <soulasassin_> done that
[00:12] <sander_ant> Howdy is there a way to force the replacement of a underlying package (say python) with a different version without removing everything on top of it?
[00:12] <soulasassin_> if i keep dropping off here its because im also having major issues with wireless reception since moving to ubuntu as well
[00:12] <cuqa> sander_ant: apt-get install --reinstall maybe?
[00:13] <MoPac> Hello; I need to get some information about apport if possible. When the apport crash reporting program shows me a kernel oops, is there a text file that I can find that has the same information in it? Alternately, is there some way of copy-pasting the text out of the apport window, which doesn't seem to be enabled by default?
[00:13] <sander_ant> I upgraded to precise, but had python 2.7 installed. I think it's holding a bunch of stuff back.
[00:13] <KI7MT> sander__, removing python is not advisable .. if you need a newer python, you can install and point your script to it in the shebang /usr/bin/python3 for example.
[00:14] <Boreeas> I'm trying to install Gradle from apt, but I get this error:  gradle : Depends: libgradle-plugins-java (= 1.4-2ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[00:14] <Boreeas> Anyone know what that means?
[00:14] <hitsujiTMO> !info libgradle-plugins-java
[00:15] <sander_ant> KI7MT: I have a problem where I can't get a fair amount of underlying python stuff to install. eg libpython2.7 : Depends: python2.7 (= 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.4) but 2.7.4-2+lucid1 is to be installed
[00:15] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: are you using any ppas?
[00:15] <KI7MT> sander_ant, How did you upgrade to Precise?
[00:15] <sander_ant> do-release-upgrade
[00:15] <sander_ant> I kept an image of the vm so I may just go back uninstall python 2.7 and upgrade again.
[00:16] <KI7MT> sander__, was this upgrade from 10.04? to 12.04?
[00:16] <sander_ant> Yes
[00:17] <Boreeas> hitsujiTMO: yeah
[00:17] <sander_ant> The system appears to work but some packages like vim won't install
[00:18] <Boreeas> hitsujiTMO: http://pastie.org/8652225 these ones
[00:18] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: Most likely you have some sort of conflict between packages common to both the ppa and the main repo
[00:19] <Boreeas> hitsujiTMO: Can I force a certain repo to be used?
[00:19] <KI7MT> sander_ant, you need to check Prompt=lts is set not Prompt-normal .. grep '^Prompt=' /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[00:19] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: you'd have to look into apt-pinning. but it may interfere what's already installed thats causing the conflict
[00:20] <KI7MT> sander__, If Prompt=normal then: sudo sed -i 's/Prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/' .. then sudo do-release-upgrade
[00:20] <KI7MT> sander_ant, That should nthen take you from 10.04-LTS to 12.04-LTS
[00:21] <KI7MT> *then
[00:21] <sander_ant> Prompt=lts is what it was set to
[00:21] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy libgradle-plugins-java
[00:22] <Boreeas> hitsujiTMO: http://pastie.org/8652230
[00:22] <KI7MT> sander__, just to be certain, check your source list in /etc/apt/source.list .. make sure it's set to precise .. then try a dist-upgrade ..
[00:23] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt-get install libgradle-plugins-java
[00:23] <KI7MT> sander_ant, that should clear the held back packages.
[00:25] <sander_ant> I think it's upgraded, but it has the broken pacakge lodged in. All the sources are precise, but python depends on something from lucid.
[00:25] <sander_ant> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade gets me 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:26] <hitsujiTMO> sander_ant: purge the python 2.7 ppa you were using
[00:26] <hitsujiTMO> !ppa-purge | sander_ant
[00:27] <KI7MT> sander_ant, what's the output of python -V
[00:27] <sander_ant> KI7MT: Python 2.7.4
[00:27] <k1l> !away > timrc
[00:27] <kelevra> hi
[00:28] <Boreeas> http://pastie.org/8652231
[00:28] <Boreeas> libjetty-extra-java wants libtomcat, apparently
[00:28] <cheetah100> #nzoss
[00:28] <KI7MT> sander_ant, That's the right version for 12.04 .. what are you getting errors on, installing other packages, or running an apt?
[00:29] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: again: sudo apt-cache policy libjetty-extra-java
[00:29] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: again: apt-cache policy libjetty-extra-java
[00:29] <sander_ant> KI7MT: Yes I think the package is one from ppa:fkrull/deadsnakes
[00:29] <Boreeas> hitsujiTMO: So, I could install libtomcat6-java, and now installing gradle works. libtomcat6 removed eclipse and a libtomcat7 on install, that might've been a conflic
[00:29] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: and: apt-cache policy libtomcat
[00:30] <sander_ant> Even though that repo is no longer on the upgraded system. I will try to purge it with the link you gave me
[00:30] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: yes that would be it it seems.
[00:30] <Boreeas> Dependency hunting \o/
[00:30] <Boreeas> Thanks for your help
[00:31] <KI7MT> sander_ant, Ahh ok .. well in regards to PPA's, there's no guarantee that LTS to LTS upg will pull the PPA's as well, only thing I can suggest there is purge the PPA's then install the PPA specific for 12.04
[00:31] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: don't think there a need for a python 2.7 in precise ppa tho :P
[00:33] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, ? dont understand what your getting at?
[00:33] <KI7MT> Oh wait, you saying the PPA was python 2,7 ?
[00:33] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: sorry, don't think theres a need for a python 2.7 ppa. He/She was using a 2.7 ppa as its not available in lucid. But 2.7 is in precise. No need for a ppa
[00:34] <sander_ant> yes I had that ppa when the system was lucid. I think instead of removing python2.7 (which was extra) it just used python2.7 that was installed, but the dependencies are now broken.
[00:34] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, Agreed, I missed that somewhere along the line, but yes, no need for a py-2.7 PPA on 2.04 fer sure.
[00:35] <KI7MT> *12.04
[00:37] <wonson> Am I connected?
[00:37] <KI7MT> sander_ant, while there may be a way to work through all the broken deps .. option would be to install 12.04 native, as there's no telling what's been confuzzed with two py2.7 package sets ..
[00:38] <sander_ant> KI7MT: Yeah, I'm going to the backup image again. I will clone that remove the ppa first and upgrade again. Thanks for your help.
[00:40] <KI7MT> sander_ant, ok, well if it's busted again after upgrade, give us a shout.
[00:40] <sander_ant> Will do thanks again.
[00:41] <wonson> hi, just installed xchat. I had pidgin and empathy and all programs freeze up when I open the channel-list window. I'm a noob...any ideas?
[00:42] <Pedobear69> hi
[00:42] <k1l> wonson: pidgin and other multimessenger are not the first choice for irc. irc is quite different to the other messenger protocols
[00:42] <Pedobear69> i need help with ubuntu
[00:43] <k1l> wonson: to open the channel list is not a good idea on a big network like freenode
[00:43] <Pedobear69> what's mythbuntu
[00:44] <somsip> !mythbuntu | Pedobear69
[00:44] <wonson> even x-chat freezes when i open the room-list there must be something up with the way that software interacts with other stuff already on my computer?
[00:45] <wonson> i'd be interested to learn what it was
[00:45] <k1l> !alis | wonson use this instead
[00:45] <k1l> wonson: again: dont use channel list
[00:46] <Pedobear69> ok
[00:46] <Pedobear69> thanks for the info
[00:47] <wonson> thanks, what program do you use k1? once upon a time i never had a problem with channel lists but maybe it's common now?
[00:48] <k1l> wonson: xchat, too. but channel list is very heavy if the network is that big
[00:54] <wonson> ok, well xchat seems pretty cool thanks...something else i've noticed lately though is that on many of the windows I open on my computer generally, It's been impossible to get the mouse on the slide bar. like i'll get the slider to pop up reluctantly but on some windows it just disappears when trying to put the pointer on it?
[00:55] <dgarstang1> Anyone here made images for kvm? Getting "Boot failed: not a bootable disk"
[00:55] <wonson> it's like it's saying a a ah look but no touch
[00:55] <k1l> wonson: you mean the overlay bars?
[00:56] <TJ-> dgarstang1: install a boot loader, GRUB2 is the usual one
[00:57] <dgarstang1> TJ-: I was doing it with parted
[00:57] <wonson> is that what you call them...you know like the slider that allows me to scroll up here for example and see text that's not in the current window
[00:58] <wonson> or currently on the screen
[00:58] <wonson> rather
[00:58] <k1l> yes. the are "minimised" and when you put the mouse over them there is a bigger scroll bar button
[00:59] <wonson> yes , only that bar button often vanishes before i can get the mouse actually on it
[01:01] <k1l> !nickspam > [-mywoooislong-]
[01:04] <wonson> it's working fine here in xchat but some of my other windows...the button will popup on the right of the bar while the mouse is on the left of the bar and vanish when moving the mouse directly to the right where the button is??
[01:14] <hurock> hello all
[01:14] <Nabstylez> Hey
[01:15] <athene_noctua> anyone configured dnscrypt to run at startup in 12.04?
[01:15] <athene_noctua> dnscrypt-proxy, rather.
[01:15] <hurock> i have some networking issues between ubuntu and win7
[01:16] <pztrick> if i set "On Lid Close..." to "Do nothing" and removed requiring password from screen saver, I still get the blue slide-up lock screen (gdm/gnome 3.8). Is there a way to actually "do nothing" ?
[01:16] <athene_noctua> hurock: ##networking is a good place
[01:16] <hurock> thanks will take a look
[01:21] <Lucan> Hi all
[01:22] <Lucan> I have a problem with a repository for fglrx from makson96
[01:22] <Lucan> Oy crap
[01:23] <Lucan> May have to try different  distro that supports hd4670.
[01:23] <Lucan> Nvm
[01:27] <e11> salut
[01:28] <somsip> !fr | e11
[01:28] <pztrick> anyone? closing my laptop lid forces the swipe-up screensaver even if i select "Do nothing" in power management settings. I've also used gsettings to other possibly relevant properties to false (e.g. idle-activation-enabled among others)
[01:29] <pztrick> gsettings to change other*
[01:38] <athene_noctua> where can I place a script to get it to run when I start my computer
[01:43] <Stanley00> athene_noctua: you can try /etc/rc.local
[01:43] <m000gle> Is there a way to manually  set the aspect ratio of the default GNOME Videos media player in Ubuntu 13.10? ... I have two monitors, so any audio visualization defaults to 32:10 (16:10 x 2 monitors).
[01:43] <m000gle> I'm hoping to, when listening to music, have my main monitor with the desktop, and the second monitor as visualization in fullscreen
[01:44] <daniel5556> Hello, I recently purchased an SSD and wanted to use that as my boot drive for ubuntu while using my HDD for general storage. I searched the web for how to go about using both, and set / on my SSD along with the swap area and /home on the HDD. When I try to install ubuntu, I get an error failed to install bootloader. Any ideas?
[01:45] <daniel5556> I am using ubuntu 12.04
[01:45] <john__> echo "a=10" | r=`grep -o '[0-9]\+'` | echo $r, how to let r equal to 10?
Does anyone know when they expect to release 14.04?  I can't wait!</joke>
[01:47] <xseni> ?
[01:47] <millerti> Sorry, it's hard to convey tone of voice through IRC.
[01:48] <john__> any help
[01:48] <millerti> What do you need help with?
[01:49] <john__> echo $r, output 1, not 10
[01:49] <millerti> Um.  That looks like a #bash question, but since you're using ' marks, have you tried removing the back slash?
[01:51] <john__> echo "a=10" | r=`grep -o '[0-9]+'` | echo $r, output 1
[01:51] <thomas__> ##/lang/,##valix-offtopic
[01:51] <fukmny> cool
[01:52] <daniel5556> I recently purchased an SSD and wanted to use that as my boot drive for ubuntu while using my HDD for general storage. I searched the web for how to go about using both, and set / on my SSD along with the swap area and /home on the HDD. When I try to install ubuntu, I get an error failed to install bootloader. I am using ubuntu 12.04, any ideas?
[01:53] <millerti> daniel5556: Do you have the SSD connected to what the BIOS thinks is the first SATA connector?
[01:53] <millerti> Do you have the BIOS configured to boot from the right device?
[01:53] <millerti> Or is this a failure only during install?
[01:53] <daniel5556> I tried going  into bios and manually booting from the SSD and that didnt work
[01:54] <daniel5556> I'm not sure because I have tried installing several times, first 2 times it failed, but next time it worked
[01:54] <daniel5556> But when it said it properly installed, it didnt want to boot up
[01:55] <KI7MT> daniel5556, I'm assuming you manually partitioned the SSD, did you set the Boot-Flag on the SSD while partitioning?
[01:57] <daniel5556> What do you mean by boot flag?
[01:57] <KI7MT> daniel5556, jsut for info, when I stick /home on another drive, which I nromally do, I setup 3 partitions on the first drive /boot / and a swap, making sure to set the boot-flag on /boot partition.
[01:57] <daniel5556> Oh I see
[01:57] <daniel5556> I will try redoing the installation
[01:58] <KI7MT> daniel5556, so, /dev/sad1 == /boot /dev/sda2 == /  and then a swap  .. then /dev/sdb1  /home
[01:58] <DustyBrewer> DustyBrewer: oh hai
[01:58] <KI7MT> */dev/sda1 .. .. ..
[02:00] <daniel5556> my sdb shows as my SSD while sda is my HDD if that makes any difference?
[02:01] <cainong> 啊哈
[02:01] <xseni> LIST
[02:01] <KI7MT> daniel5556, it does when you select which drive to install Grub2 in the MBR
[02:01] <daniel5556> Sorry, what is MBR?
[02:02] <daniel5556> It doesnt ask me where to install Grub2, im a little confused as I am a newbie to linux
[02:02] <KI7MT> daniel5556, (Master Boot Record) .. To keep things straight, I'd swap the cables in the box (if it's a desktop) and get the SSD on on /dev/sda
[02:03] <daniel5556> Ok I will go ahead and do thjat
[02:04] <KI7MT> daniel5556, This is a step by step, it's for 13.04 12.04 and 13.10 are virtually the same: http://askubuntu.com/questions/340965/how-do-i-install-ubuntu-server-13-04-step-by-step
[02:05] <KI7MT> daniel5556, When you get to the section where it asks to install grub to the MBR .. make sure that is the SSD device.
[02:06] <daniel5556> But that is for a server
[02:06] <daniel5556> I am just doing this for my home desktop
[02:06] <daniel5556> I do not recognize any of those screens
[02:08] <millerti> daniel5556: Have you considered installing only to the SSD first and then manually setting up the second drive?
[02:08] <daniel5556> Im not sure how to do that
[02:09] <KI7MT> daniel5556, sorry, I ahd that copped for another issue, here's the desktop: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-desktop-latest
[02:09] <daniel5556> Thank you
[02:11] <daniel5556> How much partition space would I allocate for /boot?
[02:12] <hitsujiTMO> daniel5556: why have a seperate /boot ?
[02:12] <Ben64> you dont need a /boot
[02:12] <grep0r> daniel5556, lets say around 100MB is ok if you use /boot
[02:12] <Ben64> having a /boot will only cause problems in the future
[02:12] <daniel5556> KI7MT: said /dev/sda1 should be a /boot
[02:12] <KI7MT> He's using boot cuz I gave that as an example of how I manually partition.
[02:13] <daniel5556> So 100mb would be fine?
[02:13] <Ben64> don't use /boot
[02:13] <Ben64> just don't
[02:13] <hitsujiTMO> daniel5556: no. you don't need one
[02:13] <daniel5556> But I want to flag to boot from my SSD dont I?
[02:14] <hitsujiTMO> and 100mb is defo too little for a boot if you did need one
[02:14] <grep0r> daniel5556, its up to you tbh
[02:14] <millerti> On other Linuxes, I like to have a separate /boot that defaults to read-only so that it's harder to trash the kernel.
[02:14] <grep0r> hitsujiTMO, its ok 100mb imo
[02:15] <millerti> Like with Gentoo, I mount r/w only when installing a new kernel.
[02:15] <Ben64> daniel5556: don't put a /boot. really.
[02:15] <KI7MT> I set mine, for Ubuntu to 500-1000 MB .. other distro's 100-200
[02:15] <Bashing-om> daniel5556: if I may chime in, a separate /boot is depreciated, no longer serves a purpose and only adds another level of complexity.
[02:15] <millerti> For some reason, my server (with 12.04 LTS), they installed it with a separate /boot that doesn't mount at all by default,
[02:16] <KI7MT> Bashing-om, Why is it depreciated ?
[02:16] <millerti> I hate it when other people install the OS for me, but it was a "service".
[02:16] <grep0r> millerti, ubuntu server?
[02:16] <millerti> Yes.
[02:16] <zykotick9> Bashing-om: FYI, if you have encrypted-LVM, i think you need a separate /boot... just sayin'
[02:17] <Ben64> zykotick9: thats not whats going on though
[02:17] <grep0r> milamber, try something different ubuntu is crap for me even for desktop (lol)
[02:17] <hitsujiTMO> Bashing-om: its not deprecated. just not necessary for this users case ( and prob 90% of cases where people use a /boot )
[02:17] <zykotick9> Ben64: i'm just commenting, separate /boot is NOT deprecated - it's still required (sometimes)
[02:17] <Ben64> grep0r: that really is not helpful
[02:18] <millerti> I have 32TB of storage, in RAID5, on hardware RAID.  Personally, I'd rather use btrfs software RAID, but it's not mature enough yet.  When btrfs does auto-scrubbing and other such things for RAID5, that's the way to go.  Better for integrity with CRCs in the filesystem.
[02:18] <KI7MT> OK, so what would be the best way for him to use his SSD drive for / and /home on his second drive ?
[02:18] <Ben64> by just doing that. / on ssd, /home on hdd
[02:19] <hitsujiTMO> millerti: i'd certainly wait for it to become "stable" at least :P
[02:19] <millerti> Ok, so I know a little more about this, but I'd consider installing with only the SSD hooked up, and then manually formatting the other drive and adding it to fstab, but that could get a bit involved.
[02:19] <chare> whats taking so long for next ubuntu release
[02:19] <Ben64> chare: nothing. they're on a set schedule
[02:19] <millerti> hitsujiTMO: btrfs is quite good for RAID1.  It's RAID5/6 that is really in need of some work.
[02:19] <chare> So they're lazy Ben64?
[02:20] <Ben64> chare: no? it's not scheduled to be out yet, so it isn't.
[02:20] <daniel5556> I tried skipping the /boot but it told me that it would be better for me to mark something as EFI boot
[02:20] <millerti> If you want rolling releases, go with Arch or Gentoo.  Ubuntu is every 6 months.  Be glad it's not Debian.  :)
[02:20] <Bashing-om> lemme work up a pastie on why a separate /boot is generally a bad idea.
[02:20] <millerti> Or worse, RHEL.  :)
[02:21] <millerti> It's still surprising, though, that Ubuntu isn't better with upgrades.
[02:21] <Ben64> daniel5556: are you trying to get a dual boot system? or ubuntu only?
[02:22] <millerti> And have the finally licked the config file migration problem with package updates?  In the past, it would just leave the out-dated config file in there, not adding any new stuff to it.
[02:22] <chare> what is wrong with btrfs for raid?
[02:22] <daniel5556> Only ubuntu
[02:23] <daniel5556> I had ubuntu before this but only using a hard drive
[02:23] <millerti> chare:  It just needs more development.  We're talking about the built-in RAID, not btrfs on hardware raid.
[02:23] <hitsujiTMO> daniel5556: you're installing on a uefi system so, which means you need an efi system partition not a /boot. which is different. an efi system partition should be anywhere from 50 - 500 mb depending. (100 is usually ok for a basic scenario)
[02:23] <daniel5556> I see
[02:23] <hitsujiTMO> chare: btrfs is unstable (not yet finished)
[02:23] <chare> millerti: and once the software raid for btrfs gets completed then whats the point of having hardware raid?
[02:24] <millerti> chare;  There are some performance advantages, especially for RAID5, optimizations done better in hardware.
[02:24] <KI7MT> EFI didn't come into it initially, that's a different deal all together.
[02:24] <hitsujiTMO> daniel5556: so set sda1 to be 100mb, and an efi system partition and / to be the rest of space
[02:24] <daniel5556> Ok, I'll give that a try
[02:25] <chare> millerti: but doesn't the hardware raid abstraction take away btrfs's ability to do error recovery on a block level using checksum
[02:25] <millerti> Exactly.
[02:25] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: i think the issue became of a misinterpretation of the error message
[02:25] <chare> millerti: what do you mean exactly
[02:25] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: on the ops behalf ofc
[02:26] <millerti> I'm saying that btrfs's built-in RAID5 needs more development.  Just look at their to-do list.
[02:28] <hitsujiTMO> millerti: chare just a reminder. ye are both tslking a
[02:29] <hitsujiTMO> millerti: chare just a reminder. ye are both talking about an unstable in development file system. so ofc there's more of a lot to be worked on
[02:29] <millerti> Yup.
[02:29] <chare> millerti how does hardware raid effect btrfs's Self-healing redundant arrays: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/bitrot-and-atomic-cows-inside-next-gen-filesystems/2/
[02:29] <millerti> Because hardware RAID doesn't utilize btrfs's scrubbing ability.
[02:30] <m000gle> Is there a way to manually  set the aspect ratio of the visualization in Ubuntu's default Totem media player? ... I have two monitors, and was hoping to have one used for a visualization; however, the visualization seems to default to the 32:10 aspect ratio (16:10 x 2 monitors wide).  Going to View>Aspect Ratio does not solve this.
[02:32] <ceciymaxi> hi! running 13.10 and experiencing perfomance dicrease problems. any hint?
[02:32] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, just fty - there's reason why I keep boot in it's own partition, I also format to ext2, but am thinking about a change to FAT or RiserFS  actually. Makes multi-boot configs allot easier for me.
[02:33] <KI7MT> While I use Ubuntu as my primary DE, I test and work on allot of other distros.
[02:33] <chare> so how does btrfs for ssd compare to those filesystems that are dedicated to ssd only
[02:33] <whotoo> does anyone have eclipse-cdt installed?
[02:33] <Thete> There any way to kill the "Configuring bcmwl-kernel-source" process during install of Ubuntu 13.10?  Ubuntu craps out on install at that point
[02:34] <whotoo> or tried to install it?
[02:34] <Thete> Or.. is there a way to drop to a console so I can kill the process?
[02:34] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: i understand that, but in the indicidual users case its unnecessary. personally, i'm kind of sick of talking users thru how to remove old kernels from /boot because they unnecessarily created a /boot partition without the need for one. or helping someone fix a broken upgrade after running out of space in /bopo
[02:35] <hitsujiTMO> /boot* during a do-release-upgrade
[02:35] <ceciymaxi> anyone that can lead me to find the cause of a performance problem with ubuntu 13.10?
[02:35] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: most people do not need a /boot
[02:35] <NastyNaz> is there a way to tail -f but with grep so i only see certain lines?
[02:36] <somsip> NastyNaz: yes. Though someone once told me it caused some sort of output problems. But I've never had problems myself
[02:36] <chare> so I should use ZFS over btrfs then...
[02:37] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, I agree, and if I knew he had UEFI .. I wouldnt' have spoken up at all, as I don't have a system to test it. For those upgrade kernels, if the dont know how the system works, they probably should not be messing with kernels to begin with.
[02:38] <daniel5556> So considering I ended up using /boot after all would I just want to re-install ubuntu completely and delete the old partitions if I decide to upgrade?
[02:38] <daniel5556> Rather than go through the trouble
[02:38] <hitsujiTMO> daniel5556: if its a simple fresh install just go for a reinstall.
[02:39] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, But point-taken, should have recommended / and /home
[02:40] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: sometimes you need to coax the full story from the user.
[02:40] <millerti> ZFS doesn't have in-kernel support in Linux, which is a disadvantage.
[02:42] <whotoo> i'm new to this but i'd like to learn a bit about programming so i installed eclipse-cdt from the software center but when i start the program up, the option to open a c++ project is not available. so i uninstalled it and redid it from the command line...same problem...?
[02:46] <hitsujiTMO> whotoo: #eclipse might give you a faster response
[02:46] <whotoo> cheers!
[02:51] <fukmny> dang im confused
[02:51] <hitsujiTMO> !details | fukmny
[02:52] <fukmny> is there a way to search chat topics?
[02:53] <somsip> fukmny: logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[02:53] <fukmny> thanks
[03:01] <penguinman> are the repos really slow for anyone else tonight?
[03:02] <daniel5556> Seems like it, taking me forever to download packages when installingubuntu compared to last time
[03:02] <hitsujiTMO> penguinman: your repos would be set local to you. which ones are you usingg?
[03:03] <penguinman> hitsujiTMO: fresh install, let me check really quick
[03:04] <hitsujiTMO> penguinman: whats the first line of: cat /etc/apt/sources/list | grep htttp
[03:04] <hitsujiTMO> penguinman: whats the first line of: cat /etc/apt/sources/list | grep http:
[03:04] <penguinman> hitsujiTMO: just the normal US ones, archive.canonical.com and security.canonical.com
[03:05] <KI7MT> Precise seems normal here, Trusty a bit sluggish
[03:05] <hitsujiTMO> not us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[03:05] <penguinman> seems to be picking up a little bit, but was getting 30kbps down earlier, took over an hour to install the language packs
[03:06] <penguinman> normally on this connection  it takes about 15-20 mins for a full install
[03:07] <hitsujiTMO> penguinman: if you need, try temporaily changing to ca.archive.ubuntu.com or another mirror in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[03:08] <penguinman> hitsujiTMO: good idea, don't know why I didn't think of that. was just curious if it was a known problem right now.
[03:08] <hitsujiTMO> penguinman: prob just an issue with that specific mirror
[03:11] <gwxcore> I'm not sure how to go about doing this, I'm new to linux, and it's worked great on everything except my wifi driver on my laptop. Can anyone help me, and if so, what information do I need to give anyone so they can help me
[03:11] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: are you on that laptop now?
[03:11] <gwxcore> yes I am
[03:11] <gwxcore> Hardlined
[03:11] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[03:12] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: lspci -knn | pastebinit
[03:12] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: that should produce a url, please paste it here
[03:13] <penguinman> yeah, the canadian mirrors are running at full speed. might just leave it set to these permanently
[03:13] <gwxcore> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6789483/
[03:14] <gwxcore> I tried a solution posted on the forums, but that produced errors, need the link to what I tried
[03:15] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: whats the output of: uname -r
[03:15] <gwxcore> 3.8.0-35-generic
[03:16] <sam___> ok this is the result to lsusb for me I need {Vendor ID, Product ID, Revision, product, serial number, port to configure my virtualbox usb http://pastebin.com/AXh7JwFw please give a bit of help  I don't know which is which
[03:17] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: are you running raring?
[03:17] <sam___> can somone help me configure my virtualbox usb setting on ubuntu host?
[03:18] <gwxcore> raring? I don't know, I haven't started anything by that name
[03:18] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: cat /etc/issue
[03:19] <gwxcore> Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l
[03:19] <penguinman> gwxcore: you may want to try the current release versus the LTS if its a hardware support issue.
[03:20] <cfhowlett> gwxcore, what are your hardware specs?
[03:20] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: it seems the driver is fixed in kernel 3.11
[03:20] <gwxcore> 13.04 gives me black screen when it attempts to go to persistent, live, or install mode
[03:20] <penguinman> gwxcore: what about 13.10?
[03:20] <gwxcore> I'm running a Toshiba Satellite L75D-A7280
[03:21] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: its odd that 12.04.04 install 3.8 and not 3.11
[03:21] <gwxcore> maybe it was 13.10 I tried. Give me one moment to check
[03:21] <gwxcore> Its the one I got through the LiLi tool
[03:22] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: with lili, download the iso from ubuntu.com instead
[03:22] <hitsujiTMO> it will still work with the tool
[03:23] <gwxcore> Oh...so I have to reinstall?
[03:23] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: not 100$ but it might be quicker to resolve with a resinstall
[03:23] <hitsujiTMO> 100%*
[03:25] <gwxcore> Ok so I need to get the 13.10 version from the ubuntu website?
[03:25] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: thats what i would do. then manually add it to lili
[03:26] <cfhowlett> gwxcore, no good reason to get it anywhere but the source IMO
[03:26] <gwxcore> I know whatever 13.something that LiLi gave me acted like it was booting but then went pure black screen, like my laptop was off.
[03:26] <gwxcore> is that something to be concerned with? Or is that a possible issue that downloading from LiLi caused?
[03:26] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: if that happens, you could try seeing if you can get to grub and adding nomodeset to the linux command
[03:27] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: what gpu do you have?
[03:28] <gwxcore> ati 8400m or something, give me a minute to double check
[03:29] <gwxcore> ati radeon hd 8400
[03:29] <gwxcore> amd I mean
[03:31] <sam___> http://pastebin.com/41wxq3K3             ok I found all the info now but port number for my virtualbox usb setting I think its 50 but I see its writen prot not port!! I did enter it but nothing happend
[03:31] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: use nomodeset. you gpu isn't covered in the the radeon driver <13.10 at least. certainly dont think is covered in the latest either so there might be a few issues there
[03:31] <sam___> help please
[03:32] <gwxcore> I'm running World of Warcraft in Wine with the driver I got from Proprietary drivers app thing just fine, if that says anything
[03:32] <gwxcore> ok so use nomodeset
[03:32] <gwxcore> how do I go about doing that
[03:33] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|gwxcore,
[03:33] <gwxcore> thank you
[03:34] <mailuy> que es la que hay!
[03:34] <cfhowlett> !es|mailuy,
[03:35] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: the radeondriver is the open driver. fglrx is the proprietary driver. by default ubuntu will be loading the open driver which can have issues on some systems without nomodeset
[03:36] <gwxcore> gotcha. I'll try 13.10 with that nomodeset trick
[03:37] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: with such a new gpy, it may be a good excuse to test 14.04 if you're an experienced linux user
[03:38] <hitsujiTMO> gpu*
[03:39] <Thete> 14.04 is pretty damn awesome
[03:39] <gwxcore> I am absolutely the opposite of a linux user. Had a one semester course in high school when 9.something was the new stuff I think. Worst case scenario I'll try your advice and be back here in 30 minutes
[03:39] <cfhowlett> !trusty|Thete,
[03:40] <SixtyGig> can somebody tell me what xchat is.  i'm a new ubuntu user.  a friend gave me a hard drive with it.
[03:40] <VKB> SixtyGig: It's an IRC client
[03:40] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, much like the one you are using this moment
[03:40] <SixtyGig> ya i don't know what an irc client is!
[03:40] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: then stick to the stable release.
[03:40] <VKB> SixtyGig: That's how you're talking to us, using IRC.
[03:40] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, that thing you just typed your response in is an IRC client
[03:41] <SixtyGig> i know!  but am i on a website!
[03:41] <SixtyGig> or is this like yahoo msg or what
[03:41] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, then you are on a browser IRC
[03:41] <hitsujiTMO> SixtyGig: you are chatting on an irc server, via an web based irc client
[03:41] <cfhowlett> !irc
[03:41] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, read and learn ^^^   :)
[03:42] <SixtyGig> do i compare this to yahoo messenger?
[03:42] <VKB> SixtyGig: It's like chat rooms.
[03:43] <SixtyGig> like a chat room... hmmm.. okay i've been on a chat room before inside a website... how can i get directly on a chat room though without being on a website
[03:44] <VKB> SixtyGig: You use an IRC client, like xchat
[03:44] <SixtyGig> thinking...... lol
[03:44] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, here's a thought.  fireup xchat and see for yourself how it works and what it does.  to get back here; open the ubuntu servers then the #ubuntu channel
[03:45] <hitsujiTMO> !ctcp info SixtyGig
[03:45] <SixtyGig> k well i see how it works  i got on it with puppy trying to fix my computer a few months ago.. now a friend gave me a hard drive with ubuntu
[03:45] <hitsujiTMO> !ctcp SixtyGig info
[03:46] <SixtyGig> whats ictcp
[03:46] <hitsujiTMO> hmm, the difference between a / and a ! can be immense :P
[03:46] <cfhowlett> :)
[03:47] <hitsujiTMO> SixtyGig: thats me querying your client to see what you're using
[03:48] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, I must be doin' it wrong.  No useful feedback ...
[03:48] <SixtyGig> ic..i have an ubuntu question... when i was using puppy, i had to learn how to install software... i never really got the hang of it.. just needed adobe but here i looked for xchat and it installed automatically  will i be able to do that with any software i use on ubuntu?
[03:48] <hitsujiTMO> SixtyGig: it seems you're not using a web client but using xchat itself
[03:49] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: its responds to version not info. hes using xchat
[03:49] <SixtyGig> yes, i knew that...i thought it was for puppy.. was going back in there to ask a friend a question..
[03:49] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, xchat did not install automatically.  you authorized it somewhere
[03:49] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: /ctcp user version
[03:49] <SixtyGig> well yes but i mean i didn't have to use any commands except "install"
[03:49] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, thanks.
[03:50] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, is that a freenode command?  where would I find more of the same?
[03:51] <SixtyGig> ok so how to i find the puppy chat i was using wher ei had a couple friends
[03:51] <whotoo> how do i sort out a conflicting dependency issue for failed update install if it doesn't say what it is?
[03:52] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: ctcp isn client to client protocol                  its a somewhat independent irc command structure which is client dependent. typically the only commands are ping, time, info and version
[03:52] <ghs> Someone here uses a version old of ubuntu ?
[03:52] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, so it's an IRC command then?
[03:52] <VKB> ghs: What do you need?
[03:52] <cfhowlett> ghs, "old"?  meaning?
[03:53] <cfhowlett> !details|ghs,
[03:53] <ghs> Well, I want to use the ubuntu without unity.
[03:53] <rww> !xubuntu
[03:53] <VKB> ghs: Do you know what DE you want to use?
[03:53] <cfhowlett> ghs, no problem.  logout out.  choose a different desktop environment.  login
[03:54] <cfhowlett> !nounity|ghs,
[03:54] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: ctcp is irc, but the indivual command in interpretted by the client and therefore client dependent.
[03:54] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, ok.  thanks.  "You know, I learned something today!"
[03:55] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: /ctcp user time       is the best use i find.g
[03:55] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: good for determining a users timezone
[03:57] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: seems you're utc +8 :P
[03:57] <ghs> cfhowlett, I'm using the Kubuntu currently. apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop ?
[03:58] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, seems about right.  It's a beautiful, sunny and uncharacteristically clear day in Beijing
[03:58] <VKB> ghs: To get GNOME, yes.
[03:58] <VKB> ghs: It all depends on what desktop environment you want.
[03:58] <ghs> VKB, without unity ?
[03:59] <VKB> ghs: Every DE besides unity is without unity.
[03:59] <VKB> ghs: GNOME is GNOME 3
[04:00] <Crazydog> sudo apt-get install?
[04:00] <VKB> Crazydog: That's how you install stuff without the software center.
[04:00] <Crazydog> Oh. I'm newbie :P
[04:00] <VKB> Crazydog: you run that in the terminal
[04:01] <VKB> Crazydog: no worries. :)
[04:01] <hitsujiTMO> manual | Crazydog this might be helpful then
[04:01] <hitsujiTMO> !manual | Crazydog this might be helpful then
[04:01] <Crazydog> Still learning linux.  Mess around with it every so offen in vmbox
[04:01] <nearst> learning is good :)
[04:01] <cfhowlett> Crazydog, good way to learn it
[04:02] <VKB> Crazydog: Everyone here had to learn at some point. VMs are a good way. :)
[04:02] <Crazydog> Read some tutorials and what not, but its obviously something you dont learn over night :P
[04:02] <VKB> Crazydog: I've been using Linux for almost 4 years, and I'm still learning stuff.
[04:02] <nearst> try and error is a good way xD
[04:02] <Crazydog> ya
[04:02] <LinuxBoey> Has anyone had any luck installing Ubuntu 13.10 on a MacBook Air 2013?
[04:03] <Crazydog> took me like 2 hours to figure out pastebinit, but considering no one helped me except google.  not to bad
[04:03] <Crazydog> :)
[04:04] <qin> Crazydog: man pastebinit?
[04:04] <hitsujiTMO> !mac | LinuxBoey this any good to you?
[04:07] <SixtyGig> i saved someone to my friends list.  now how do i find the friends list lol
[04:07] <hitsujiTMO> LinuxBoey: please not that there are some mac specific isos that can possibly deal with some issues: see am64+mac in http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/
[04:07] <hitsujiTMO> s/not/note
[04:08] <Crazydog> My problem with linux is I don't see the whole picture yet.  I'm not sure about the root, or the dirs in it, i know each one controls different things like windows, but a lot of the libarays are confusing.
[04:08] <naknomik> Trying Banshee Media player, I see some UPNP servers under shared media but they're all greyed out.
[04:08] <cfhowlett> Crazydog, what's your intended knowledge target?  user?  deverloper?  coder?
[04:08] <qin> SixtyGig: Meta key and type "contacts", unless it is app specyfic list, like Steam.
[04:08] <hitsujiTMO> !fhs | Crazydog
[04:09] <SixtyGig> new to linux.. what's a meta key lol
[04:09] <SixtyGig> also what is a vmbox
[04:09] <Crazydog> Well.. Good question.  Never thought about that. Maybe a little of each.  Jack of all trades, but master of none :P
[04:10] <hitsujiTMO> SixtyGig: "meta key" is dependent on context. vmbox would be a virtual machine box
[04:10] <qin> SixtyGig: most commonly windows logo
[04:10] <cfhowlett> !manual|Crazydog, might want to decide as it will inform what you read/study.  that said, see the ubuntu manual
[04:10] <VKB> SixtyGig: VMs are virtual machines. They let you run virtual computers to test other operating systems without installing them directly to your computer. It also allows you to run multiple OSes at once.
[04:10] <SixtyGig> the context is how do i view my friends list now that i saved someone!
[04:10] <qin> SixtyGig: Wait, are you on unity? Then click on dash
[04:10] <SixtyGig> ok gotcha vkb thx
[04:11] <SixtyGig> new to linux.  don't know what unity is lol
[04:11] <SixtyGig>  don't know what dash is lol
[04:11] <vinse> Hi guys!
[04:11] <cfhowlett> vinse, greetings
[04:11] <cfhowlett> !manual|SixtyGig, read more
[04:11] <nearst> !dash | SixtyGig
[04:11] <vinse> I was wondering if someone can give me a hand reinstalling a few packages. I updated my gnome-online-accounts and it removed my ubuntu-desktop
[04:11] <vinse> now my computer thinks it's a phone
[04:11] <Evil_Eric> whats the chan you guy use for off topic stuff
[04:12] <cfhowlett> !ot|Evil_Eric,
[04:12] <cfhowlett> vinse, what version of ubuntu?
[04:12] <Evil_Eric> thank you
[04:12] <SixtyGig> k i'm saving the info you guys are giving me..
[04:12] <vinse> Raring
[04:12] <vinse> cfhowlett http://i.imgur.com/MdFh07t.png
[04:13] <vinse> I'd like to uninstall the stuff I installed and just reinstall what I uninstalled
[04:13] <SixtyGig> what does it mean when you guys put an exclamation point in front of a word!
[04:13] <cfhowlett> vinse, and "thinks its a phone"???
[04:13] <vinse> My System settings shows Phone stuff
[04:13] <naknomik> Will I get help about Banshee Media Player?
[04:13] <vinse> let me show you a picture
[04:13] <cfhowlett> !ask|naknomik,
[04:13] <SixtyGig> i'm disturbingly new..  when and where do you use an exclamation point in front of a word and why lol
[04:14] <VKB> SixtyGig: They're IRC commands
[04:14] <vinse> cfhowlett -> http://i.imgur.com/xPx0koX.png
[04:14] <cfhowlett> vinse, huh.
[04:14] <SixtyGig> this is different than yahoo msgr then.. if i can give commands in the middle of the chat lol
[04:14] <naknomik> Banshee shows my UPNP servers (shared music from Windows, Plex, Mini-DLNA etc) but they're all greyed out. Wonder why
[04:15] <vinse> thats the photo of my settings cfhowlett. I've lost the gnome-center :(
[04:15] <cfhowlett> vinse, one step at a time; updating online accounts doesn't delete software so ... you authorized some changes.  I'd suggest you reinstall gnome-center
[04:15] <SixtyGig> thanks for info everyone.. going to eat... before i go can someone tell me in plain english how to access my friiends list now that i've saved a few..
[04:16] <cfhowlett> vinse, but "about this phone"?   what is your hardware?
[04:16] <vinse> It's a Asus Zenbook UX31A
[04:16] <cfhowlett> vinse, !
[04:16] <vinse> i authorized it to update some dependencies
[04:17] <cfhowlett> vinse, I'd suggest this: backup data.  now.  then reinstall.
[04:17] <vinse> and yeah it updated me to the ubuntu phone OS control panel
[04:17] <vinse> n000
[04:17] <vinse> :(
[04:17] <cfhowlett> vinse, how did you update?
[04:17] <vinse> I just used apt-get install
[04:17] <cfhowlett> vinse, and "guessing" did you enable the "propsed" repositories or something?
[04:18] <vinse> nope.. don't think so
[04:18] <vinse> let me check
[04:18] <vinse> no didnt
[04:19] <cfhowlett> vinse, apt-get install is NOT update.  sudo apt-get update (check and update the system package list)  sudo apt-get upgrade (install upgrades to installed packages)  apt-get dist-upgrades (install latest packages available for this distro)
[04:19] <cfhowlett> vinse, anyway, as I said, stop here: backup everything essential.  the reinstall ubuntu
[04:19] <vinse> oh sorry I'm switching the terms. I apt-get installed gnome-online accounts
[04:20] <vinse> there's no way of "downgrading"?
[04:20] <cfhowlett> vinse, I don;
[04:20] <cfhowlett> vinse, IDK and that "phone OS" thing confuses the heck out of me...
[04:21] <vinse> well hmm from what i understand
[04:21] <mccawr> Hey I can't boot ubuntu
[04:21] <vinse> I installed all the things that i lacked for gnome-online-accounts
[04:21] <vinse> than it uninstalled the old stuff
[04:21] <vinse> which was libgoa-1.0-0 and such
[04:21] <vinse> i just really need ubuntu-desktop back and gnome-control-center
[04:21] <vinse> Is there a way I can reinstall those? like apt-get install certain version or find the .deb files online?
[04:22] <cfhowlett> vinse, sudo apt-get install packagename.deb
[04:22] <nearst> vinse, try apt-cache search <package>
[04:23] <vinse> how would i indicate versions
[04:23] <mccawr> Can anyone help me with ubuntu not booting
[04:23] <cfhowlett> !details|mccawr,
[04:24] <hitsujiTMO> !info gnome-online-acco7nts
[04:24] <hitsujiTMO> !info gnome-online-accounts
[04:24] <cfhowlett> !raring
[04:24] <hitsujiTMO> vinse: are you using ppas?
[04:25] <nearst> mccawr, define not booting
[04:25] <mccawr> When I boot the laptop it gives me an error 0xc000007b, tells me to put in install disk and reboot
[04:25] <vinse> yeah I am hitsujiTMO
[04:26] <hitsujiTMO> vinse: what ppas are you using?
[04:26] <cfhowlett> vinse, also, 13.04 is only supported for 9 months - time to upgrade?
[04:26] <nearst> mccawr, http://askubuntu.com/questions/356702/error-0xc000007b-after-installing-ubuntu-13-10
[04:27] <vinse> the PPAs I have are Gnome3, Wine, NoobsLab
[04:27] <vinse> says I'm on 14 not raring anymore
[04:28] <lwizardl> so what would be a scanner app the would be similar to the standard one on windows (xp for example)
[04:28] <vinse> I mixed it up sorry
[04:28] <nearst> !14.04 | vinse
[04:29] <hitsujiTMO> vinse: then you will have to contact the gnome3 ppa maintainers for that specific issue as it would not be supported here. You are using a diffferent version to that of the ubuntu repos. and as cfhowlett has already said, yuo should upgrade your system. 13.04 is isnoy supported for another few days
[04:29] <vinse> How do I upgrade?
[04:29] <cfhowlett> lwizardl,  xsane I believe
[04:29] <vinse> I thought apt-get dist-upgrade was good enough
[04:29] <hitsujiTMO> !upgrade | vinse
[04:29] <lwizardl> I have tried xsane, skanlite, simplescan and they do not seem to have the same option as the MS one. I want to be able to adjust the contrast and darken the text. but when I try these apps it just makes the background into a grey
[04:30] <cfhowlett> vinse, sudo apt-get dist-release
[04:30] <hitsujiTMO> s/isnoy/only
[04:30] <vinse> says invalid option. but I'm sure I'm update to day
[04:30] <vinse> date*
[04:31] <cfhowlett> vinse, system>settings>update manager
[04:31] <vinse> yeah I'm sure I'm update to date. hmm
[04:31] <qin> vinse: do-release-upgrade
[04:31] <vinse> It says it's up to date
[04:32] <hitsujiTMO> vinse: whats the output of: cat /etc/issue
[04:32] <vinse> no new release found
[04:32] <cfhowlett> qin, thanks.  I upgrade only LTS to LTS and I can never remember that dern command
[04:32] <vinse> Ubuntu Trusty Tahr (development branch) \n \l
[04:32] <cfhowlett> vinse, then download the ISO and installl
[04:32] <qin> vinse: foo bar
[04:33] <hitsujiTMO> !trusty | vinse  then this is the channel you should be in
[04:33] <vinse> what's foo bar? I don't really wanna reinstall, it's near exam time and I don't really have time to go pick up a cd drive for my laptop
[04:33] <vinse> I'll give that channel a try
[04:33] <vinse> thanks guys
[04:34] <vinse> Is it possible to install an alternative control panel?
[04:34] <vinse> gnome-control-panel
[04:34] <cfhowlett> vinse, possible and you break it, you bought it.  If you insist on the gnome experience, just install gnome-ubuntu
[04:35] <vinse> I'm already running gnome-shell
[04:35] <qin> vinse: 14.04 has not been released yet. Why do you use beta Ubuntu and expect thinks to acctualy work?
[04:35] <vinse> i mean gnome-ubuntu
[04:36] <vinse> I honestly didn't notice it was a beta
[04:36] <vinse> I just follow random guides on internet on how to install cool thigns like themes and stuff
[04:36] <vinse> I read stackoverflow how to fix gnome online account and now the stuffs all messed
[04:36] <cfhowlett> vinse, so you basically took vanilla ubuntu, cobbled on the gnome packages, installed the gnome control panel and ... oh, wait ...
[04:36] <vinse> no
[04:36] <vinse> more like
[04:36] <cfhowlett> random ... right.
[04:37] <vinse> nvm
[04:37] <qin> ...Rubuntu, random Ubuntu.
[04:37] <cfhowlett> qin, LOL.  I think that version is unsupported
[04:37] <hitsujiTMO> i <3 qin
[04:37] <sec_> anyone help me to ngix rule? this is not working: http://pastie.org/8652597
[04:39] <hitsujiTMO> sec_: before anything i'm going to refer you to http://wiki.nginx.org/IfIsEvil
[04:39] <vinse> You guys don't think it'd work if i just uninstall what I installed and reinstall what I uninstalled?
[04:39] <cfhowlett> vinse, you've mixed and matched and enabled ppa's AND the development version --- go ask in #ubuntu+1
[04:40] <sec_> hitsujiTMO: what did you mean?
[04:40] <qin> vinse: If you have taut you had followed you can try to revert changes, most likely start from removing all ppa and purge all not native insatlls
[04:41] <THeNine> Does anyone know how to change keyboard backlight preferences?
[04:43] <hitsujiTMO> sec_: i mean an 'if' rule is usually a bad idea. i would also return instead of rewrite on a bad referrer
[04:44] <hitsujiTMO> THeNine: can you give exaxt details. what are you experiencing that needs changing
[04:44] <sec_> hitsujiTMO: could you fix that rule for me? please
[04:44] <THeNine> hitsujiTMO: my backlight comes on when I plug my laptop in. I don't want that to happen any more
[04:45] <hitsujiTMO> sec_: its dependent on your scenario but maybe a return 403; might be suficcioent
[04:45] <sec_> hitsujiTMO: i want it hit homepage..
[04:45] <sec_> hitsujiTMO: redirect to homepage
[04:47] <jeffrey_f> vinse:  Remove the stuff you installed first.  If that does not fix it, you have a choice or 2.  Remove then reinstall gnome-desktop or do a fresh install (after backing up data).  The thing is: If it gets too borked, you can spend hours and days fixing it or you can just start fresh with a known variable.   Try uninstall/reinstall gnome.  if it is still borked, fresh install
[04:47] <rpcesar> im trying to create/use a PGP key in 13.04. I was under the impression it used seahorse (similar), but the window is missing critical menu options. None of the tutorials line up. I have a "properties" menu when I right click, and I can find an "export", but it seems to be exporting the private key. im really confused.
[04:48] <jeffrey_f> rpcesar: kleopatra works well for a gnupg front end
[04:48] <vinse> jeffrey_f I'm trying to reinstall libgoa-1.0-0(3.8.3-2) but i don't quite know how
[04:48] <rpcesar> hmm, ill try that. no issue with it being KDE?
[04:49] <teward> rpcesar: i think you're using a different front-end, did you actually try running `seahorse` ?
[04:49] <rpcesar> i did an apt-get seahorse-<something i forget>, but yea, i think i was using the "default". which looks similar. but not the same
[04:50] <jeffrey_f> vinse: command/terminal--> sudo apt-get autoremove libgoa*
[04:51] <rpcesar> yea typed seahorse into terminal, same window
[04:51] <rpcesar> the only menu option is a plus sign in the top left
[04:52] <rpcesar> i just did an apt-get for kleopatra, but if anyone has any other advice or ideas please let me know
[04:52] <rpcesar> im a programmer, but pretty new to GPG
[04:53] <jeffrey_f> rpcesar: the front end is a bit clunky, but works well once you get used to it.  Your first few keys for testing should be expired after 24 hrs....
[04:54] <rpcesar> thats the thing, im trying to do some test runs but am missing some critical steps. ala, i want to export a public key, encrypt a message with it, as well as decrypt
[04:54] <rpcesar> i found an export, but it seems to be exporting the "complete key" (as the dialog indicates) which worries me, especially since the header on it says "private key"
[04:55] <rpcesar> and that export i found through "properties" menu, nothing by right clicking like i see in the various tutorials
[04:55] <rww> stop using the pointy clicky and just use the command-line tool?
[04:55] <rpcesar> i have considered doing that.
[04:56] <rww> gpg --armor --export 93755E08
[04:56] <cfhowlett> rpcesar, programming begins when when gui use ends
[04:56] <rww> or whatever
[04:57] <rpcesar> cfhowlett: i get that. but I serve on an IT comittee and have to explain this to multiple people whom are NOT programmers. which means i have to test run a usable scenario
[04:57] <cfhowlett> rpcesar, point taken
[04:57] <rpcesar> all of a sudden "security" has become paramount (beats me as to why) and im supposed to get everyone using pgp and their own keys.
[04:57] <rww> gpg -r 93755E08--encrypt somefile
[04:58] <rww> gpg --decrypt somefile
[04:58] <KI7MT> rpcesar, it's pretty easy one ya do a few, but create revoke keys for them too: http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html
[04:58] <KI7MT> *once
[04:58] <vinse> SWEET
[04:58] <vinse> fixed it thanks guys
[04:58] <vinse> I just needed to uninstall gnome and reinstall it
[04:58] <rpcesar> its actually more of the "usage" that ill need to make easy. im sure I can create the keys for people once I get a handle on it
[04:59] <KI7MT> rpcesar, it's very similar, though there are diff's, to ssh keys.
[05:01] <KI7MT> rpcesar, This a good run through .  overview as well: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[05:01] <rpcesar> yep, already visited that
[05:04] <KI7MT> rpcesar, I still dont understan the Seahorse problem, it should ahve been installed by default .. 3.6 I think, but it sounds like you looking at seahorse-nautilus
[05:04] <vinse> Is there a way to switch from developer ubuntu to stable?
[05:04] <vinse> development*
[05:04] <rpcesar> is there a way to switch to another seahorse?
[05:05] <KI7MT> rpcesar, There's only one seahorse .. then seahorse agent and the seahorse-nautilus (plugins)
[05:06] <rww> vinse: nope, that would be a downgrade, and we don't support downgrades
[05:06] <rpcesar> you made it sound like im looking at something rather different or have an oddball install for some reason
[05:06] <rpcesar> is this the case?
[05:06] <KI7MT> rpcesar, in term, just apt-cache search seahorse .. you'll see them
[05:07] <rpcesar> yea, shows seahorse, seahorse-daemon, seahorse-nautilus, and seahorse-sharing
[05:07] <KI7MT> rpcesar, You can check if it's installed, dpkg -l seahorse .. should start with ii if installed.
[05:07] <nushor> sorry to bother you guys, but does anyone use an RTL8192CU/8188CU wireless driver? I can't seem to get it to compile on saucy
[05:07] <rpcesar> oh, i type seahorse and it comes up. with that same dialog that doesent match what the tuts show
[05:08] <cjwelborn> can anyone see this character? i found it by accident:     for those who can't see it, its relevant to this channel.
[05:08] <rpcesar> few tutorials ive made it through show things like context sensitive menus for encrypting files, an easy means of exporting (strictly) the public key, etc
[05:08] <KI7MT> rpcesar, You have the Files, top left corner, on this new GUI ?
[05:09] <rpcesar> no, all i have is a single green plus sign, and a search (placeholder: Filter) to the right
[05:09] <rpcesar> the part of creating the keys looks identical to what ive seen (no problems there)
[05:09] <rpcesar> but right clicking a key only shows properties and delete
[05:10] <rpcesar> properties has owner, name and signatures, and details. details has an export, marked clearly as "Export Complete Key"
[05:10] <vinse> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[05:10] <rpcesar> which I presume is not the "public" key, but the private (the file showed what appears to be the private header on it)
[05:10] <vinse> When I was installing ubuntu
[05:10] <KI7MT> rpcesar, I dont have access to a 13.04 build fight now, but on 12.04, when I type seahorse in the term, it brings up the full seahorse app.
[05:11] <nushor> nvm I'll just use this hacked up driver I found on github.
[05:11] <vinse> I didn't know it was development version
[05:11] <vinse> how did I end up with 14?
[05:11] <rpcesar> so basically im using some obscure version of seahorse somehow?
[05:12] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Well, I dont know for sure, but I do know, 13.04 goes out of support this month, so, 13.10 or 12.04 would be better options initially.
[05:13] <KI7MT> with 13.10 loosing support in July I believe.
[05:13] <vinse> I see
[05:13] <vinse> I didn't say what month the 9 month started
[05:13] <vinse> I installed ubuntu like last month
[05:14] <KI7MT> rpcesar, I just checked my 14.04 DE .. same GUi as 12.04 uses.
[05:14] <vinse> I probably won't be installing ubuntu ever again after this. The community seems to be full of not it all dick heads
[05:14] <vinse> know it*
[05:14] <rpcesar> hmmm, so strange
[05:15] <KI7MT> rpcesar, except it's v3.10 v.s. 3.4 on 12.04
[05:15] <rpcesar> seahorse 3.6.3 GNUPG: /usr/bin/gpg (1.4.11)
[05:15] <KI7MT> rpcesar, either way, you want to be moving off of 13.04
[05:16] <KI7MT> rpcesar, That correct for 13.04 gnupg
[05:16] <KI7MT> http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal-updates/seahorse
[05:16] <rpcesar> yea, ill be moving to 13.10 sometime over the weekend. is there a way to simply upgrade seahorse perhaps?
[05:17] <rpcesar> ive read some things about 3.10 breaking my particular wireless adapter and I don't want to risk that at this exact moment in time
[05:17] <rpcesar> *13.10
[05:17] <KI7MT> rpcesar, you would enable backports, but that could bring with it a host of other packages deps, not I've not just upgrade seahorse on its own before.
[05:18] <KI7MT> *I've not just upgraded .. ..
[05:18] <rpcesar> well i just did a sudo apt-get upgrade seahorse and its updating
[05:19] <KI7MT> rpcesar, understand about wireless, can't be touchy at times.
[05:19] <KI7MT> *can be touchy ..
[05:19] <rpcesar> I understood what you meant ;)
[05:20] <KI7MT> sri, im on a very small screen and kb at the moment.
[05:20] <SubCool> why am i getting this error? subcool@Mediaserver:~$ sudo xzcat FreeNAS-9.2.0-RC2-f3001e6-x64.img.xz | dd of=/dev/sdd bs=64k
[05:20] <SubCool> dd: opening `/dev/sdd': Permission denied
[05:21] <rww> SubCool: because the sudo only covers the xzcat, not the dd
[05:21] <KI7MT> rpcesar, In any case, you should have Login ; Certificates ; PGP Keys ' Secure Shell .. down the left side of the Seahorse GUI when it opens.
[05:21] <SubCool> ok
[05:21] <SubCool> ty
[05:21] <rpcesar> its updating now, ill see if that fixes it. seemingly updating a lot of crud
[05:22] <rpcesar> openssl, firefox, heck even bind
[05:22] <KI7MT> rpcesar, and Files ' Edit ' Remote 'View and Help on the Top-Bar.
[05:22] <rpcesar> yea, i wasnt getting any of that on the version i am (was, we will see after the update) running
[05:22] <rpcesar> it was very "bare" in contrast to what I was seeing
[05:22] <jeffrey_f> Vinse:  Try a fresh install, get the LTS version.  It is more stable and less bleeding edge software.
[05:23] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Yes, it does not sould like it was fully installed or something , from what you described anyway.
[05:23] <SubCool> rww, thanks, its not frequent that i run in SU.
[05:25] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Even goign through Dash >> passwords and Keys brings up Seahorse, so maybe the update will sort it out.
[05:25] <rpcesar> yea, i was going through dash->keyboards and keys at the beginning. tried "seahorse" in terminal in another attempt. im crossing my fingers.
[05:26] <rpcesar> why in gods name does it need to update cups, lmao
[05:26] <rpcesar> seems totally irrelevent
[05:28] <KI7MT> rpcesar, In case you wanna print your Key maybe :)
[05:28] <litropy> How can I make sure swap is usable? I keep getting these out of memory kill process or sacrifice child messages, and I think it's because it either can't decrypt swap, or it's trying to use a different uuid altogether.
[05:30] <kkf> hello guys
[05:31] <kkf> I need some help with using terminal server on a windows machine and getting into 13.10 ubuntu.  Anyone help?
[05:32] <rpcesar> welp, i now have a menu on seahorse
[05:32] <rpcesar> all my keys are gone however
[05:32] <KI7MT> rpcesar, what does about say for version info?
[05:32] <rpcesar> seahorse 3.6.3 GNUPG: /usr/bin/gpg (1.4.11)
[05:32] <litropy> Ah. yep. I think I got this. I definitely don't have the right uuid.
[05:32] <KI7MT> rpcesar, There still there, you prob need to import them into seahorse
[05:33] <rpcesar> this is funny. if i click on passwords and keys i get the old one
[05:34] <jeffrey_f> kkf: http://www.unixmen.com/install-xrdp-in-ubuntu-13-04/
[05:34] <KI7MT> rpcesar, you can check in terminal, gpg --list-keys for you PG keys
[05:34] <kkf> thank you jeffrey
[05:34] <jeffrey_f> kkf: no prob.  Come back with a report working or not.  If not, we can work from there.  This should work
[05:36] <KI7MT> rpcesar, then ls ~/.ssh/ for ur ssh stuff .. installing sh should not alter current any keys.
[05:36] <rpcesar> ah, actually, i realized that i was in root on the terminal I called seahorse from
[05:36] <rpcesar> apparently its showing the menu in root, and not in the user
[05:36] <kkf> Ok so I did that already.  I get a fuzzy screen.  I am on windows 8.1 and I think that plays a factor if I remember right.
[05:36] <rpcesar> i probably need to refresh my session im guessing
[05:37] <KI7MT> rpcesar, You definitely don't want to be using the root account on any of these distro's causes all sorts of issues.
[05:37] <rpcesar> yea, that was accidental
[05:37] <rpcesar> had a terminal open with it
[05:38] <rpcesar> :/
[05:38] <KI7MT> whoops ! :)
[05:38] <rpcesar> anyways, root has the menu, the other does not , very strange
[05:38] <KI7MT> rpcesar, That may explain the od root menu then
[05:38] <rpcesar> actually no
[05:38] <rpcesar> the one without the menu is the user
[05:38] <rpcesar> the one with the menu is root
[05:38] <rpcesar> (but does explain the lack of keys)
[05:39] <kkf> Any ideas Jeffrey?
[05:40] <KI7MT> rpcesar, I'd log out and back ina  normal user then check the user seachorse GUI .. did you install seahorse with sudo apt-get install or just used the root terminal and apt-get install ?
[05:40] <rpcesar> still sudod it
[05:40] <rpcesar> but it was probably in root
[05:40] <rpcesar> actually i can confirm that
[05:41] <rpcesar> im not logged in as a super-user, i had simply sudo su'd a terminal from before
[05:41] <jeffrey_f> kkf: Win --> Ubuntu connection?
[05:41] <KI7MT> rpcesar, I goofed up one server I had by activating the root account, all sorts of odd things happened, so, I can't realy can't say what affect using the root account has on all apps, other than one should not use it.
[05:41] <kkf> Yes sir.
[05:41] <rpcesar> yea i dont ever log into root, just sudo su if need be
[05:42] <KI7MT> sudo su should be ok
[05:43] <jeffrey_f> kkf: what resolution are you going in with?
[05:43] <Guest22502> hi
[05:44] <kkf> oh I got it to work!!!
[05:45] <kkf> It was the module that wasn't working correctly.
[05:45] <kkf> It messed up the way it was looking.  Thank you jeffrey!  :)
[05:47] <KI7MT> I need to test some install testing, A2 is going out this Wed.
[05:47] <KI4RO> KI7MT, Ham cal?
[05:48] <kkf> Jeffrey next question.  How do I log in from a remote network?  I am assuming I would have to set up a DNS and then connect to it?  I am new to all this btw.  :)
[05:48]  * KI7MT <-== Yup that be the call :)
[05:48] <KI4RO> KI7MT, Nice to meet you
[05:49] <KI7MT> Same !
[05:51] <jeffrey_f> kkf: you would need to set up a VPN between Network A and Network B. Putting a machine as a DMZ host is just asking to be hacked
[05:52] <kkf> Hmm so that is out of the question for me.  Since it is a work network I assume they could tell if I did that?
[05:54] <jeffrey_f> kkf: Not sure what kind of business?
[05:54] <kkf> I work for a non-profit that does education and housing.
[05:55] <jeffrey_f> kkf: If your network guy keeps his eyes open, they'll know.
[05:55] <KI7MT> And probably wont be too happy about it either :)
[05:55] <kkf> That's what I thought.  Is it do able over my phones lte connection?
[05:56] <kkf> Setup a VPN through my phone and then connect?
[05:56] <jeffrey_f> a VPN can be done over any connection.  You'd  need a VPN capable router on both ends
[05:57] <jeffrey_f> actually, scratch that....You'll need a VPN capable router on the end you want to connect to.  If you want an always there connection, then what I previously said
[05:58] <KI7MT> rpcesar, you get the user GUI sorted out?
[05:58] <rpcesar> no, but I discovered GPA.
[05:58] <KI7MT> GPA?
[05:59] <rpcesar> gnu privacy assistant
[05:59] <KI7MT> Oh ok
[06:00] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Terms sometiems get confuzzzing .. OpenPGP is standard, where GnuPG and PGP are the actual apps.
[06:01] <KI7MT> rpcesar, and gpa also
[06:01] <rpcesar> yea GPA shows all the keys, and seems to have tools for signing messages, etc
[06:01] <rpcesar> pretty sure it all interfaces the same thing
[06:01] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys I am having a problem on my HP G62 my Wifi connection keeps dropping, I have done alot of googling and found the results specifiying that a bunch of people have the same problems (but after waiting half a year) I cannot find a solution. My only solution is to type sudo dhclient and wait a few minutes\
[06:01] <rpcesar> just a different frontend with a few more features (and probably its own slew of bugs)
[06:02] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys I am having a problem on my HP G62 my Wifi connection keeps dropping, I have done alot of googling and found the results specifiying that a bunch of people have the same problems (but after waiting half a year) I cannot find a solution. My only solution is to type sudo dhclient and wait a few minutes\
[06:02] <KI7MT> rpcesar, gpa is like seahorse pr Kgpg, it's the manager app.
[06:02] <KI7MT> *or
[06:02] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Still baffeled why seahorse not workign for you though.
[06:04] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Yeah, gpa, seahose all them I believe are use GnuPG system, they are just GUI version v.s. cli.
[06:04] <KI7MT> *are using .. .. ..
[06:06] <KI7MT> rpcesar, don't forget about creating a revoke key if you publish ur public key
[06:06] <rpcesar> yep
[06:07] <rpcesar> thanks for the heads up
[06:07] <KI7MT> I have a few hangers out there .. lol .. learned the hard way on that one.
[06:08] <KI7MT> rpcesar, You could always put an expire date on them too ..
[06:11] <diuneigh> can someone help me with Xchat?
[06:12] <jeffrey_f> rpcesar: Create a private, public and revoke key for each key you create
[06:12] <KI7MT> Yeah what he said ^^^
[06:16] <laptop> hi
[06:17] <Guest58294> Q: Just installed a fresh 13.10. Xorg log says 'no screens found(EE)'. What can I do?
[06:18] <aluchko> PilotsLicense, what else is in the Xorg log?
[06:19] <aluchko> might be the driver failing, what's the video card?
[06:19] <PilotsLicense> Right before that it says 'UnloadSubModule "vbe" and then Screen(s) found but none have a usable configuration
[06:19] <PilotsLicense> No idea what my video card is, it's an i7
[06:21] <aluchko> think that's an integrated video card, could try vesa and see what happens
[06:22] <PilotsLicense> huh it says there 'VESA(0) V_BIOS addres 0xd00 out of range'
[06:24] <aluchko> PilotsLicense, this help? (sounds like they have an nvidea card, you have any nouveau stuff in yours?) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1991973
[06:26] <PilotsLicense> aluchko: is there anything on that site? looks totally fucked up to me with no CSS and text overlayed over other text
[06:27] <aluchko> PilotsLicense, it's ubuntuforums.org :)
[06:27] <PilotsLicense> hitting "printable version" made it readable
[06:27] <PilotsLicense> does ubuntuforums always look like that?
[06:27] <PilotsLicense> pretty messed up and hard to read
[06:27] <KI7MT> Looks clean here
[06:27] <PilotsLicense> i'll check out if i have any nouveau things going on
[06:28] <aluchko> depends on your browser I guess, looks fine for me
[06:28] <PilotsLicense> chrome
[06:28] <KI7MT> chromium
[06:28] <PilotsLicense> yea actually chromium for me too
[06:29] <KI7MT> Maybe you have paged zoomed in abit or something, but looks normal here.
[06:29] <PilotsLicense> no i have literally no css
[06:29] <PilotsLicense> no colors, everything is in Times, menus are listed as default ULs... no idea why
[06:29] <KI7MT> Yeah, something not right about that then.
[06:30] <KI7MT> I cleared my cache .. loaded ok .. little slow though, or slower than normal anyways.
[06:35] <ubuntuaddicted> anyone familiar with fluxbox? i installed it into xubuntu 12.04.3, choose fluxbox as my session and booted into it. First thing I notice is moving windows it's almost like there's a default wobbly window compositing
[06:36] <ubuntuaddicted> BUT the problem is dragging and moving the window is slower than mollasus
[06:36] <jundoe> hello, is there any channel here for mysql? i have some problems with it, but the people in the mysql channel are not responding
[06:36] <linuxearth> how can i login to the gui of other user from Ctrl+Alt+F3
[06:37] <ubuntuaddicted> linuxearth, is there already a user logged into the system at ctrl-altf7?
[06:37] <ubuntuaddicted> ctrl-alt-f7?
[06:37] <ubuntuaddicted> jundoe, you can ask your question BUT it may or may not be able to be answered
[06:37] <blueingress> Hi, Is there a script to ignore the login/out message in this channel?
[06:38] <linuxearth> i don't know but just have logged in with entering password and username in the gui when the pc starts
[06:38] <linuxearth> ubuntuaddicted: i don't know but just have logged in with entering password and username in the gui when the pc starts
[06:38] <ubuntuaddicted> blueingress, what irc client?
[06:38] <jundoe> ubuntuaddicted: thanks
[06:39] <blueingress> ubuntuaddicted, sorry, it is irssi.
[06:39] <ubuntuaddicted> linuxearth, and you want to do what? ctrl-alt-f1 thru f6 are terminal sessions without an x server running.
[06:39] <jundoe> i am using irssi as well
[06:39] <jundoe> < jundoe> anybody can tell me what is the problem with my mysql? when i  type "mysql" in my terminal it give me error message: $ mysql
[06:39] <jundoe> 14:34 < jundoe> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through  socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[06:39] <linuxearth> oh but my switch user option is missing somehow
[06:40] <Magiobiwan> I use ZNC then HexChat on my computers
[06:40] <jundoe> sorry bout that
[06:40] <ubuntuaddicted> blueingress, you'll have to google "stop login/log off notifications in irssi"
[06:40] <aluchko> jundoe, the mysql server isn't running
[06:40] <PilotsLicense> aluchko: i did apt-cache search nouveau, but it doesn't look like i have anything installed
[06:40] <jundoe> how to run it?
[06:40] <blueingress> ubuntuaddicted, Thanks. trying.
[06:40] <sjd_zeus> jundoe: service mysqld start
[06:40] <jundoe> sjd_zeus: thanks
[06:40] <linuxearth> oh but my switch user option is missing somehow
[06:41] <jundoe> unrecognized service
[06:41] <linuxearth> ubuntuaddicted: thanks man
[06:41] <ubuntuaddicted> jundoe, it may be already running, you aren't specifying what user to log into the mysql server with though
[06:41] <Psil0Cybin> Hey guys how can I find out what Wifi Driver, I am using so I can diagnose my network dropping issue on my HP G62. I find that alot of people had the same issue (back when I remembered) but now I forgot all the links and information
[06:41] <jundoe> sjd_zeus: unrecognized service
[06:41] <jundoe> sorry for being noo
[06:42] <PilotsLicense> aluchko: i don't even have a xorg.conf in my /etc/X11 after install, is that normal? i copied the failsafe in but that doesn't make a difference
[06:42] <aluchko> PilotsLicense, I know they stopped generating it by default but I haven't had video card issues since they did that
[06:43] <sjd_zeus> jundoe: mysql-server installed on your pc?
[06:43] <ubuntuaddicted> PilotsLicense, what's your problem?
[06:44] <jundoe> sjd_zeus: yes
[06:46] <ubuntuaddicted> PilotsLicense, you could run the command lspci and look for the VGA one and see what kernel module it says. that's the driver you're currently using then
[06:47] <PilotsLicense> ubuntuaddicted: it says i have an integraded graphics controller rev 09
[06:47] <ubuntuaddicted> PilotsLicense, lspci -i i meant
[06:47] <ubuntuaddicted> PilotsLicense, sorry, lspci -v
[06:48] <KI7MT> lspci -vnn |grep VGA
[06:49] <PilotsLicense> ubuntuaddicted: for VGA it doesn't say anything about kernel. for some other modules it says a kernel driver in use, not for VGA.
[06:49] <bray90820> Is there any sort of ubuntu touch interface for ubuntu desktop
[06:49] <jundoe> sjd_zeus: how do i start mysql,? i i have installed it a week ago
[06:49] <PilotsLicense> jundoe: tried running mysqld?
[06:49] <ubuntuaddicted> jundoe, it's probably already running. try ps aux | grep mysql
[06:50] <ubuntuaddicted> PilotsLicense, try sudo lspci -v
[06:50] <PilotsLicense> ubuntuaddicted: i did
[06:50] <jundoe> $ ps aux |
[06:50] <jundoe> >                         grep mysql
[06:50] <jundoe> pio       2837  0.0  0.0  20428   948 pts/1    S+   14:50   0:00 grep --color=auto mysql
[06:50] <PilotsLicense> no kernel module mentioned for VGA
[06:50] <jundoe> where pio is username
[06:50] <ubuntuaddicted> jundoe, then it's not running
[06:51] <jundoe> ./etc/init.d/mysqld start is not functioning
[06:51] <jundoe> i mean its not working
[06:52] <ubuntuaddicted> jundoe, to start it you would issue sudo service mysql start
[06:53] <jundoe> i used the sudo before the /etc
[06:53] <jundoe> let me try again
[06:54] <jundoe> command not found
[06:55] <jundoe> by the way, i have Mysql workbench installed, would it be possible that they clashed?
[06:56] <riyan> help me setting modem
[06:56] <jundoe> what is your problem with modem?
[06:57] <bray90820> Is there any sort of ubuntu touch interface for ubuntu desktop
[06:57] <Psil0Cybin> hmm I cannot figure out why my HP Pavilion G62 and a Ralink RT5390 keeps dropping the wifi, anyone know what guide can point me perhaps in the right direction, sorry to be a nag guys..I am just lost as usual a little :(
[06:59] <riyan> My modem is not detected
[06:59] <Jordan_U> Psil0Cybin: Ralink's drivers are often terrible :(
[06:59] <KI7MT> jundoe, what's the ouput of: mysqladmin variables | grep socket
[07:01] <Psil0Cybin> Jordan_U: so do you think gloing out to walmart type thing and buying a 25$ wifi card, might fix my issue? if so what what I look for to insure this would never happen again :P it is very frustrating, but I do not want to stray away from Xubuntu 12.04 :(
[07:01] <Psil0Cybin> I just cant use eth0 all the time.
[07:02] <Psil0Cybin> wifi usb card*?
[07:06] <kkf> ok so my router does not allow me to create a VPN.  How would I do this in ubuntu 13.10?  I have a DNS setup through my router as of right now.
[07:07] <not_available> network manager
[07:07] <KI7MT> Psil0Cybin, this a good place to start, last update looks like AUG-2013: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[07:07] <not_available> although i could not get a vpn to work when i tried it kkf
[07:08] <kkf> You couldn't get a vpn to be created using a DNS as ip on ubuntu 13.10?
[07:09] <PilotsLicense> Q: Xorg log says "Screens found but not usable" on Intel i7 laptop with 13.10. Any ideas?
[07:11] <blueingress> ubuntuaddicted, the answer does not work - (about ignore the login/out infor)
[07:12] <KI7MT> PilotsLicense2, Is this one of the new laptops with Intel and NV graphics, optimus I think it's called?
[07:12] <PilotsLicense2> i don't know if it has both
[07:12] <PilotsLicense2> i only have an i7 sticker on it
[07:12] <PilotsLicense2> how would i find out?
[07:13] <PilotsLicense2> KI7MT: when i do lspci -vnn i don't get more than one VGA device, and that only says Intel Haswell
[07:13] <KI7MT> PilotsLicense2, What have you installed thus far?
[07:13] <PilotsLicense2> KI7MT: only the Ubuntu 13.10 installer, then on first reboot it fell back to console with errors in Xorg log
[07:13] <Psil0Cybin> ty
[07:25] <anonymous> 123
[07:27] <helmut_> hi
[07:31] <Shudorshon> does anyone know how to sign in hotot
[07:31] <Shudorshon> iv got token and inserted it in hotot, but still its not letting me sign in
[07:31] <cfhowlett> !info hotot
[07:31] <Shudorshon> !info hotot
[07:32] <Shudorshon> there is no login info cfhowlett
[07:32] <cfhowlett> Shudorshon, never used it, don't know.  sorry
[07:32] <Shudorshon> holy cat fish :/
[07:34] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: the development of the client seems to be a bit, and the wikipedia states that it "also appears to use excessive Twitter API requests in some circumstances, leading to the user hitting the request limit before their quota resets every hour."
[07:35] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  so ur telling me that i have to wait more 1 hour to get logged in?
[07:35] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: no, I'm telling you you might be better off finding some other app.
[07:36] <Shudorshon> :/
[07:36] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: in all likelyhood it's quite possible Twitter itself is blocking it
[07:37] <Shudorshon> sounds awful
[07:37] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  how do i know if twitter is blocking it
[07:37] <Shudorshon> iv got the pin code from twitter
[07:38] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: well then you're all good. I'd probably use the Hotot Chrome/Chromium thing though.
[07:38] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: https://twitter.com/HototApp/status/344839913344204801
[07:38] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  but afterputting pin number why the holy hotot doesnt allow me to sign in
[07:39] <Myrtti> there we go, answered. Use the Chrome/Chromium Hotot.
[07:40] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  how to use chomium hotot
[07:40] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: which browser do you use?
[07:40] <Shudorshon> ffox
[07:41] <MarkDavies> Shudorshon: what's the problem?
[07:41] <nearst> howdy
[07:41] <Shudorshon> MarkDavies,  the problem, is im using voyager xubuntu 12.04 and i cannot log in hotot
[07:41] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: in that case, I'd recommend you find some other twitter app. There's no point in starting to use the Chrome/Chromium Hotot if you're running Firefox as well
[07:42] <Shudorshon> i put the pin code supplied in my twitter account , and then still the hotot doesnt sign me in
[07:42] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  what if i sign up identica.. there is an idenica sign in hotot
[07:42] <MarkDavies> Would somebody be so kind to strace to his firefox process, open some pretty normal sites (let's say microsoft, mozilla, subaru) and provide me with the output?
[07:43] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: sure, that might work, but identica isn't twitter
[07:43] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  ok i know
[07:53] <PilotsLicense2> !cookie KI7MT
[07:53] <linux> hello ?
[07:53] <PilotsLicense2> !cookie | KI7MT
[07:55] <Shudorshon> damn
[07:55] <Shudorshon> hotot is not working
[08:00] <jundoe> herllo
[08:06] <Shudorshon> how do i share my computer intenet to another xp computer with ethernet
[08:06] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  do u know how
[08:09] <bray90820> If i close the cover on my laptop will my distro update continue
[08:12] <jundoe> test
[08:12] <somsip> !test | jundoe
[08:12] <nearst> !ask | jundoe
[08:13] <Myrtti> bray90820: depending on what your powersaving settings are
[08:13] <Myrtti> !ics | Shudorshon this might (or might not work)
[08:14] <bray90820> Myrtti: what is the default
[08:16] <bbnick> morning
[08:17] <bbnick> nobody's here with a macbookpro?
[08:17] <somsip> !mac | bbnick (if you get no answers)
[08:17] <nearst> nope. i got p2 here
[08:18] <Myrtti> bray90820: it might shut it off after some time.
[08:18] <Myrtti> ie. attempt to suspend - I can't remember what the default is.
[08:20] <Psil0Cybin> KI7MT: this is what I am currently using: Steganography$-$Art$of$hiding$data.pdf
[08:20] <Psil0Cybin> KI7MT: this is what I am currently using: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[08:20] <Psil0Cybin> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company U98Z062.12 802.11bgn Wireless Half-size Mini PCIe Card
[08:20] <Psil0Cybin> wrong copy and paste
[08:21] <Psil0Cybin> i cant get it to run on my HP >.< I wish I did not have to go out and spend even more money
[08:23] <jony_easyrider> if I exit Deluge, it won't start anymore, only if I restart the system, please help
[08:23] <bbnick> I installed 12.04.3 on this macbookpro, on the secondary disk, now I am stuck at boot, on the clean grub prompt
[08:24] <aeon-ltd> jony_easyrider: have checked if it exited properly? as in no processes running?
[08:24] <jony_easyrider> aeon-ltd, how can I check?
[08:26] <aeon-ltd> jony_easyrider: activity monitor? or in a terminal top or htop
[08:26] <nitstorm> aeon-ltd: ps aux | grep -i deluge
[08:27] <nitstorm> sorry that was meant for jony_easyrider
[08:27] <blueingress> Can anyone tell me how to quickly ignore the  login/out infor in *irssi*? thanks a lot..
[08:27] <nitstorm> blueingress: forward-slash-hereignore #ubuntu ALL -PUBLIC -ACTIONS
[08:27] <jony_easyrider> aeon-ltd, you're right, I killed it
[08:28] <jony_easyrider> nitstorm, ty
[08:28] <jony_easyrider> aeon-ltd, ty
[08:28] <nitstorm> jony_easyrider: np :)
[08:35] <yacc> Stupid question, what happened to ddccontrol in Saucy?
[08:36] <tomboy64> where can i set in ubuntu that the window focus follows the mouse cursor?
[08:36] <ksmth> I am really confused by the downloads page: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.04/
[08:36] <ksmth> is the 64-bit PC install image compatible with Intel processors or not?
[08:37] <tomboy64> ksmth: depends on the generation
[08:37] <somsip> ksmth: it's compatible with 64bit Intel and AMD
[08:37] <ksmth> tomboy64 i7
[08:37] <ksmth> somsip thanks :)
[08:38] <somsip> ksmth: you're fine then
[08:38] <tomboy64> ksmth: that one is amd64 (or x86_64) compatible
[08:38] <yacc> ksmth: AMD64 => that's what Intel 64bit processors emulate.
[08:38] <ksmth> yacc: just learned something new
[08:38] <yacc> ksmth: as crazy as it sounds, 64bit in the Intel architecture was introduced by AMD
[08:38] <tomboy64> hehehe yup
[08:39] <yacc> ksmth: Intel 64bit was meant to be Itanium but somehow that did not work out that well for Intel.
[08:39] <ksmth> and if I'd ever want to VNC to the machine, I'd have to use the desktop image?
[08:39] <tomboy64> intel was crazy enough to try and force a hard switch to ia64
[08:39] <tomboy64> ksmth: it would make things easier for a newbie, yes
[08:39] <tomboy64> ksmth: but if you use the server-image you can ssh into it just as well.
[08:39] <ksmth> tomboy64 just in case. I doubt I will ever use it, but I don't know just yet
[08:40] <yacc> Intel calls it's implementation of AMD's 64bit mode EMT64 or something like that.
[08:40] <somsip> ksmth: you can run X on a server installation if that's what you mean. Plenty of WMs that are smaller and quicker if you only want VNC access
[08:40] <ksmth> somsip well, I'd like the default user interface I'd see when working with a local ubuntu box
[08:41] <somsip> ksmth: if you want unity to be availble, better to use the desktop edition
[08:41] <ksmth> somsip ok, that's what I thought
[08:41] <yacc> anyone got an idea what happened to ddccontrol?
[08:41] <ksmth> thanks :)
[08:42] <yacc> somsip: nothing that an apt-get install cannot solve :-P
[08:42] <ksmth> ah, scrap that. I can install the missing packages when I feel the need for them, right?
[08:42] <somsip> ksmth: yes
[08:44] <blueingress> nitstorm, thx, Trying
[08:46] <yacc> ksmth: kind of trivially, yes.
[08:46] <linuxator> how is ubuntu related to lubuntu an kubuntu?
[08:46] <yacc> Anyway, anyone got an idea how to set it up so that WLAN/LAN port use the same MAC address => get the same IP address from DHCP servers
[08:46] <somsip> !flavours | linuxator
[08:46] <blueingress> nitstorm, I still saw ...." -!- kitty_ [~smuxi@s281p8.home.99maxprogres.cz] has joined #ubuntu"
[08:46] <KI7MT> yacc, I think it may be indicator-gddccontrol now
[08:47] <yacc> linuxator: lubuntu/kubuntu => different desktop environments on top of Ubuntu
[08:47] <yacc> linuxator: LXDE/KDE to be exact.
[08:48] <blueingress> nitstorm, even the message commit in status window : "Ignoring CRAP MSGS NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS WALLOPS INVITES NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP  CLIENTERRORS HILIGHTS from forward-slash-hereignore
[08:48] <supauli> yacc: i have 'MAC ADDRESS' box on my network manager, but you should be able to se the hw address also on command line
[08:49] <supauli> though, not sure what will happen if you plug both in same network, my guess is problems
[08:49] <supauli> yacc: (for command line, see man ifconfig 'hw' option )
[08:49] <linuxator> yacc:are there distros ubuntu-supported?
[08:50] <linuxator> yacc:are these distros ubuntu-supported?
[08:50] <yacc> supauli: well, actually that would just make the WLAN access point sweat to decide what side of the bridge to put the packets, BUT as the laptop is reachable on both sides, ...
[08:52] <yacc> linuxator: kind of. Define exactly what you mean by ubuntu supported AND what you expect out of this tag.
[08:53] <yacc> Anyway, to return to the real reason, I'm looking for a way to control brightness on my external displays, ...
[08:54] <yacc> the settings app only controls the brightness on the internal screen.
[09:02] <TJ-> yacc: externals probably don't support brightness adjustment in the way you mean (by lowering the CFL output) that laptops do
[09:02] <yacc> TJ: but they do support DDC?
[09:03] <yacc> TJ-: somehow the support for DDC seems to have evaporated, ...
[09:05] <TJ-> yacc: how are the monitors connected?
[09:06] <yacc> TJ-: VGA&HDMI plus the internal panel of  the laptop.
[09:07] <yacc> TJ-: the HDMI is technically a DVI-D display with a passive DVD-D <=> HDMI cable.
[09:12] <seoaqua> can anyone see me pls?
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> seoaqua: yes
[09:12] <Unforgiven> i see you
[09:12] <TJ-> yacc: E-DDC is mandated by the HDMI specification. Are you able to read the EDIDs from the external VDUs?
[09:12] <seoaqua> ActionParsnip,thank god
[09:12] <yacc> TJ-: what tool would tell me? (the screen layout settings do know the monitor by name if that's what you ask)
[09:13] <TJ-> yacc: xrandr uses the EDID info to provide its information
[09:13] <yacc> TJ-: xrandr works.
[09:15] <TJ-> yacc: or you can use the "read-edid" package: "sudo get-edid | parse-edid"
[09:16] <TJ-> yacc: EDID confirms E-DDC is working
[09:16] <yacc> sudo get-edid
[09:16] <yacc> sudo: get-edid: Befehl nicht gefunden
[09:17] <yacc> TJ-: sorry.
[09:19] <TJ-> yacc: As I said, it is in the "read-edid" package
[09:19] <yacc> The EDID data should not be trusted as the VBE call failed
[09:19] <yacc> Error: output block unchanged
[09:19] <TJ-> yacc: Is it via an nvidia GPU?
[09:19] <yacc> TJ-: HD4400+750M Optimus with Bumblebee
[09:20] <yacc> TJ-: Acer V3-772G
[09:21] <TJ-> yacc: you could try ddcontrol: https://github.com/ddccontrol
[09:21] <toil> Hi. I'm trying to set up Wireless on Ubuntu Server 12.04, but I'm having some trouble. This is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/3fXynnhT -- It won't connect unless I first login to root. So I have a screen setup on the server, and I have to login to the normal user. according to ifconfig it's up, but no connections are going through.("destination host uneachable"). Then, I run sudo -s, ifdown wlan0, ifup wlan0, and it 
[09:22] <toil> Could it be the use of ecryptfs?
[09:24] <TJ-> toil: check "/var/log/syslog" and ensure the routes are correct after boot
[09:27] <toil> ok I'll check that
[09:27] <toil> But it's strange that once I sudo ifdown wlan0; sudo ifup wlan0, it works
[09:28] <TJ-> toil: something else you've configured may be over-writing the default route for wlan0
[09:28] <yacc> toil: have you added wlan0 to the auto directive?
[09:28] <toil> It's a fresh installation
[09:28] <toil> yacc: What do you mean?
[09:29] <yacc> toil: yes, you have ;)
[09:30] <toil> Oh, I see what you ean
[09:30] <VlanX> anyone here know how to use dd?
[09:30] <toil> VlanX:  dd if=/path/to/source of=/path/to/destination bs=4096
[09:31] <VlanX> toil: I wonder if I can clone an OS which is on a USB drive to a HDD to clone it a different moment again to a differend USB drive
[09:32] <toil> TJ-: the 'gateway' setting, is that the supposed to be the Broadcast?
[09:33] <x86_128> !ask
[09:33] <dhruvasagar> Prolonged youtube (even with html5 enabled) usage really bumps the load on the system (load average > 1), is there any known fix ?
[09:33] <x86_128> where's the question format now
[09:33] <toil> !patience
[09:34] <sm0gg> :D
[09:34] <toil> The 'gateway' setting in /etc/network/interfaces - Is that the Bcast? Or just the Router gateway?
[09:36] <x86_128> i'm using ubuntu, the problem is: it's ubuntu, what i expect is: not ubuntu, how do i fix my problem?
[09:37] <Diehard> o.O
[09:37] <DJones> x86_128: If you want Ubuntu that doesn't look like Ubuntu, have a look at Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Lubuntu
[09:37] <toil> Nevermind worked that out myself.. I should rtfm.
[09:37] <x86_128> :p ok
[09:40] <Wiz_KeeD> how can I get the contents of a web request in ssh to a link like this? http://localhost/indexJsonOnly.php?code={%22KLEB%22:%20%22NO%22,%20%22KARAB%22:%20%22NRM%22,%20%22GEW%22:%20%22EGG%22,%20%22FABR%22:%20%2280%22,%20%22BEF%22:%20%22ED%22,%20%22LEN%22:%20%226%22,%20%22TL%22:%20%22TL%22,%20%22TYP%22:%20%22DXA%22}
[09:40] <Wiz_KeeD> Sorry, I should not have added those: {"KLEB": "NO", "KARAB": "NRM", "GEW": "EGG", "FABR": "80", "BEF": "ED", "LEN": "6", "TL": "TL", "TYP": "DXA"}
[09:40] <Wiz_KeeD> I treid wget and it complains it's not valid
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: nobody can access that , the address is 'localhost' which means it will resolve on a viewers PC to their own system, not yours
[09:42] <Wiz_KeeD> okay
[09:43] <nitstorm> Wiz_KeeD: Also, you can use curl instead of wget - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7172784/how-to-post-json-data-with-curl-from-terminal-commandline-to-test-spring-rest
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: you will need to forward port 80 on your router then give us your WAN IP etc
[09:44] <toil> OK TJ-: The routes are the same
[09:45] <Wiz_KeeD> nitstorm, that is a good start but I need to send json as GET
[09:45] <TJ-> toil: Does syslog confirm that wpa_supplicant was successful?
[09:47] <toil> Nope it doesn't.
[09:47] <toil> http://pastebin.com/3VYZakQS
[09:47] <toil> I ifdown at this line 123
[09:47] <nitstorm> Wiz_KeeD: If you don't add the -X switch, curl defaults to GET
[09:47] <toil> the line*
[09:47] <nitstorm> Wiz_KeeD: Alternatively, you could specify -X GET
[09:48] <NuSuey> anybody got the Lightpack (lightpack.tv) working on Ubuntu? It didn't want to detect my device (lightpack)
[09:48] <Wiz_KeeD> I think I have my answer
[09:48] <Wiz_KeeD> Thank you nitstorm !
[09:49] <Wiz_KeeD> You have been great help
[09:50] <nitstorm> Wiz_KeeD: Np :)
[09:51] <toil> TJ-: Before running ifup/ifdown, wlan0 doesn't have a 'inet addr'
[09:52] <toil> perhaps worth noting lol
[09:53] <TJ-> toil: is there anything else in /etc/network/interfaces, possibly before wlan0 definitions, that could be causing a syntax error?
[09:54] <toil> just ilo, which came on installation
[09:54] <toil> I just tried turning off the auto wlan0, rebooting, and running ifup wlan0 by itself, and it worked fine, too.
[09:57] <toil> meh. i added to /etc/rc.local ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0 and it worked
[09:58] <toil> thanks anyways TJ- :D
[09:58] <TJ-> Well that's one way not to fix a problem!
[10:01] <NuSuey> oh, nobody with a Lightpack? :/ meh too bad
[10:03] <learner> hello
[10:03] <learner> is anyone there to help me out
[10:03] <k1l> learner: just ask :)
[10:04] <learner> I am facing an issue with display not being initialized after PC is booted
[10:04] <yacc> k1l: well, it's a new variation on "Can I ask a question" ;)
[10:04] <learner> I see "Error opening display!"
[10:04] <learner> when I press escape, cause the display turns dark and does not respond for long
[10:05] <learner> 12.04 LTS is being used
[10:05] <learner> kill: any clues
[10:06] <learner> k1l: any clues
[10:07] <k1l> learner: is this over ssh?
[10:07] <learner> I can access PC over ssh
[10:08] <learner> but as told on that PC the display is not being initialized
[10:08] <learner> I can access terminal by using ALT + <F>
[10:09] <learner> services are also running as I can also access webserver from other PC
[10:09] <learner> services are also running as I can  access webserver from other PC
[10:18] <Epidemias> Hello Everyone
[10:19] <Epidemias> Does anyone has experience with a MariaDB galera cluster running on ubuntu12.04?
[10:20] <zanzacar> I am currently trying to setup backup software with dropbox. I was using back in time via software center. does anyone have any other suggestions? back in time isn't cutting it.
[10:22] <nitstorm> zanzacar: There is a list of backup tools @http://askubuntu.com/questions/2596/comparison-of-backup-tools
[10:23] <nitstorm> Maybe you'll find what you're looking for
[10:23] <zanzacar> nitstorm: Thats where I found back in time. I just thought that I would poke around arnd see what else anyone might recommend.
[10:23] <nitstorm> zanzacar: LOL :P okies :)
[10:24] <Mace268> zanzacar, you could rsync into a dropbox synced folder, but that may not be what you are looking for.
[10:24] <learner> k1l: do u hv d solution for this problem ?
[10:24] <zanzacar> Mace268: Well that is basically what I am looking for but the dropbox folder has max of 2gb ( free ) and back in time doesn't seem to be able to do what I want getting rid of some of it. or comrpressing etc.
[10:28] <nitstorm> zanzacar: If you're looking for a lot of free cloud storage space, how about Mega?? https://mega.co.nz/
[10:28] <nitstorm> It gives you 50Gigs of space for free..
[10:29] <zanzacar> nitstorm: nice I might have to look into that.
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2037131/supersize-your-free-cloud-storage-to-100gb-or-more.html
[10:30] <tiblock> Hi. I have notebook with WiFi that connected via ethernet to router. Router have WiFi and connected to internet true ethernet cable. My friend have phone with  android that maybe sends some information to some server. I need to sniff trafic. What is best solution for that? I think 1)i can host WiFi from notebook, connect phone to it and sniff trafic. 2)i can connect phone to router and sniff
[10:30] <tiblock> WiFi from notebook.
[10:31] <tiblock> any easier solution?
[10:31] <tiblock> phone dont have root, so i can't install wireshark there
[10:31] <zanzacar> ActionParsnip: thanks for the article. nice info on there.
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> all I did was quack ;)
[10:32] <quackgyver> You can't say that. That's our word.
[10:32] <JoshG> meh
[10:32]  * cfhowlett is thoroughly confused by this thread
[10:33] <zanzacar> I always thought it was a ducks word first...
[10:33] <jargon> that is,it's a running system with ext4 and it's currently not set up for lvm. can i switch it to lvm without having to reinstall the whole system all over again?
[10:33] <jargon> is it possible to change an existing ext4 partition to lvm?
[10:33] <jargon> switched the sentences accidentally,sorry
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> jargon: I'd make the LVM, then restore the data to it from your backups
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> jargon: it may be possible to convert but its not something I've done
[10:34] <jargon> ActionParsnip: so start from scratch?
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> jargon: is the data on it's own partition?
[10:35] <yacc> jargon: not really, you can create a LVM VG, move the partition by copying into the VG.
[10:35] <yacc> jargon: then you can create a PV into partition that hosted the ext4 filesystem
[10:35] <yacc> jargon: and move the content into it.
[10:36] <yacc> jargon: as a last step you can remove the PV you've used for the moving around (e.g. external USB driver)
[10:36] <jargon> ActionParsnip: there are two partitions only, swap and root
[10:36] <yacc> jargon: but there are two issues,  PV takes some space too, so you'll need to shrink the filesystem a tiny bit, if you want to just use the original partition.
[10:36] <jargon> yacc: is there i guide on this anywhere? i've never done this before
[10:37] <yacc> jargon: and the second issue is, if it's your root partition, you need to keep your system bootable.
[10:37] <yacc> jargon: is it your rootfs?
[10:37] <jargon> yeah
[10:37] <yacc> jargon: honest answer => reinstall with LVM.
[10:37] <jargon>  /dev/sda1 is swap and /dev/sda2 is /
[10:38] <jargon> yeah that's what i was afraid it would be
[10:38] <jargon> ok,thanks
[10:38] <yacc> jargon: keeping the system bootable is the issue here.
[10:38] <jargon> yeah
[10:38] <C4RR3> Hey people, I'm installing a GameCube emulator through terminal, and the "make" command requires superuser privileges. How do I run this command as superuser? Thanks in advance!
[10:39] <nitstorm> C4RR3: sudo make
[10:39] <yacc> jargon: so basically, to do that you would probably need to try out the operation in virtual machine first to get a feeling how to handle all issues => it's faster to backup and reinstall.
[10:39] <jargon> yacc: i'm going to do the backup now and then reinstall. thanks
[10:39] <C4RR3> Nitstorm thanks I'll try that
[10:39] <Touhou11> C4RR3: Please don't discuss piracy
[10:40] <yacc> jargon: not so fast, let's move over to #lvm, let's discuss what exactly you are trying to achive?
[10:40] <C4RR3> Touhou11, not piracy, open source emulator. Not necessarily involve copyright violation.
[10:41] <jargon> yacc: ok
[10:41] <Xentinel> can someone help me out here, I need a driver in the form of a deb package, I've got the source right here: https://launchpad.net/~michael-gruz/+archive/canon-trunk/+packages it hasn't been packaged into a deb file. The one I'm looking for is called "scangearmp-common - 2.10-34~ubuntu13.10.1"
[10:41] <yacc> Touhou11: an emulator as such is not piracy, especially as the GameCube/Wii community has quite a bit of homebrewn stuff going.
[10:42] <Touhou11> yacc: No shit, but in reality 99% of people download games for which they don't own a copy
[10:42] <C4RR3> Touhou11, says who?
[10:42] <Touhou11> C4RR3: I just did?
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> Xentinel: why not use the Canon site itself....
[10:42] <C4RR3> lol Exactly, you're gonna need a better source
[10:43] <Touhou11> C4RR3: Please photograph the legal copies of the games you will be emulating. Or else shut up
[10:43] <cfhowlett> !attitude
[10:43] <cfhowlett> !behelpful
[10:43] <C4RR3> Touhou11, k dad
[10:43] <Touhou11> C4RR3: Thought as much
[10:43] <C4RR3> Touhou11: <3
[10:43] <yacc> Touhou11: well, so either you are criminal yourself (you illegalically did surveillance on a good part of the users) or you just parroting some copyright lobbyist unfounded accusation?
[10:44] <cfhowlett> !ot
[10:45] <C4RR3> Hmmm even with sudo make it comes up with error message: "cannot create directory, maybe need administrative privileges."
[10:45] <C4RR3> What's my next recourse? Is there another command such as sudo for superuser?
[10:46] <Xentinel> ActionParsnip, well I can't seem to find it through them
[10:46] <cfhowlett> !sudo|C4RR3,
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> Xentinel: try the Canon Europe website
[10:47] <C4RR3> cfhowlett,  thanks!
[10:47] <DJones> C4RR3: Is it a specific emulator you're trying to install, just wondered whether there was one avilable in the standard repositories
[10:47] <nitstorm> Is there someway to take a look at the logs in a `more` format on irssi?
[10:47] <C4RR3> DJones I'm installing dolphin out of this instructions: http://code.google.com/p/dolphin-emu/wiki/Linux_Build
[10:47] <C4RR3> currently at the make && make install line
[10:48] <C4RR3> any input very welcome
[10:49] <C4RR3> DJones, what do you think?
[10:50] <DJones> C4RR3: Just looking, there's actually a PPA for that
[10:50] <DJones> C4RR3: https://launchpad.net/~glennric/+archive/dolphin-emu
[10:51] <DJones> C4RR3: While its not in the official repo's, installing from a ppa should be a lot simpler
[10:51] <C4RR3> DJones, awesome thanks! Is there anyway I can undo the other steps from the first tutorial? lol
[10:52] <nitstorm> C4RR3: You just need to delete the directory that you cloned.. rm -r dolphin-emu
[10:53] <C4RR3> awesome thanks!!
[10:53] <nitstorm> since other packages you installed were just dependencies..
[10:53] <C4RR3> (sorry got a noaz bleed hard to type)
[10:53] <nitstorm> C4RR3: oh ouch!
[10:54] <C4RR3> lol its fine, just messy lol
[10:54] <nitstorm> :P
[10:57] <Daiwidd> Everyone running 12.04 say Yay! Everyone on 13.10 Yeesh!
[10:58] <Daiwidd> Yay baby
[11:00] <zanzacar> if I have a proccess ID and i know the command how can I tell what program is actually running it?
[11:01] <zanzacar> For example [ 1006 root       20   0  196M 45816  9484 R 46.2  4.8  4h31:05 /usr/bin/X :0 -core -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch ]
[11:01] <zanzacar> I have a feeling its team viewer but I don't really know.
[11:02] <Xentinel> ActionParsnip, okay, I found both a printer and scanner driver on canon europe, but they're also both source files, can I turn them into .deb files?
[11:02] <zanzacar> o btw that output from htop! [ pid / user / pri / ni / virt / res / shr / s/ cpu% / mem% / time+ / command ]
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> Xentinel: what is the model of the device please?
[11:08] <nitstorm> zanzacar: ps -f pid
[11:10] <nitstorm> or you could also use pstree -p pid
[11:13] <zanzacar> nitstorm: thanks looks like it Xorg ( its running lubuntu and I am using team viewer to connect ). Is there any way to log CPU usage for that process in the background to a log file or something? this way i can log it for the next 24 hours and check it tomorrow.
[11:19] <ksmth> how can it be that I can ssh into the machine, but the machine can't ping google, i.e.
[11:19] <Xentinel> ActionParsnip, sorry for the long response time, it's a Canon Pixma 640
[11:19] <ksmth> ok, the DNS doesn't seem to work ...
[11:20] <Xentinel> ActionParsnip, here is the link to the scanner software, pretty sure it's what I need: http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Consumer_Products/products/Fax__Multifunctionals/InkJet/PIXMA_MP_series/PIXMA_MP640.aspx?DLtcmuri=tcm:13-728033&page=1&type=download
[11:21] <k1l> learner: what kind of computer and display is it? what video card?
[11:22] <SamuraiDio> how can I make a smb mount point to be shown on file manager (pcmanfm), to allow users to mount/umount by one click?
[11:22] <learner> desktop having 2 GHz dual core processor, 4gb RAM, and nvidia display adapter
[11:23] <learner> k1l: desktop having 2 GHz dual core processor, 4gb RAM, and nvidia display adapter
[11:23] <k1l> display adapter?
[11:23] <learner> k1l: yes
[11:23] <ksmth> hmm, how do I set which nameservers to use?
[11:24] <k1l> learner: like in: "which one?"
[11:24] <ksmth> the official docs state that changes to /etc/resolv.conf will be re-written on reboot, which is not what I WANT
[11:24] <ksmth> sorry for caps lock
[11:24] <nitstorm> zanzacar: https://superuser.com/questions/149961/writing-a-cpu-ram-usage-log-over-a-period-of-time-to-file-on-centos , https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18922040/small-sh-script-to-log-processes-ram-and-cpu-usage
[11:25] <nitstorm> zanzacar: you could also do something like top | grep -i pname > log.txt
[11:25] <nitstorm> For example, this logs my chromium browser resource usage ->
[11:26] <nitstorm> ps aux | grep -i chrom > ~/Desktop/log.txt
[11:26] <learner> k1l: sorry plz clarify your question - like in : "which one?"
[11:27] <k1l> learner: which video card/adapter is it?
[11:27] <doughi> any info about rooting device leo (lg fireweb)
[11:27] <learner> nvidia, thats all I know
[11:27] <Bear10> Does anyone know how to install 5.4.23-1+sury.org~precise+1 with xdebug? the xdebug version i have installed was for php 5.3 and i can't get it to work
[11:27] <gimnazjum> QTAZ
[11:27] <k1l> learner: "lspci" will tell
[11:28] <learner> NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[11:28] <k1l> doughi: your issue is not ubuntu support, is it?
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> Xentinel: looks like you'll be compiling it (if that's what it needs). You could contact the PPA maintainer of the PPA you found
[11:28] <gimnazjum> Hi
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> Xentinel: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/192
[11:29] <learner> k1l: any other info should I fetch from results of lspci
[11:29] <gimnazjum> yjfdj
[11:29] <k1l> learner: what did you do before that error happens?
[11:30] <learner> I kind of purged a few software using - apt-get purge
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> ksmth: you can add it to the bottom of /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> ksmth: its a hack but it works
[11:31] <ksmth> ActionParsnip I have just modified the /etc/network/interfaces
[11:31] <ksmth> ActionParsnip seems to be working fine
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> ksmth: that works too
[11:31] <ksmth> is it less hacky? haha
[11:31] <learner> k1l: sudo apt-get purge sound-theme-freedesktop ubuntu-sounds
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> ksmth: the head file adds the resov.confwarning text, so if you add to the file it will add the nameservers you name :)
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> ksmth: yes lots less hacky
[11:32] <Xentinel> ActionParsnip, thanks so much
[11:32] <k1l> learner: ok. can you pastebin the apt-log please? "pastebinit /var/log/apt/history.log"
[11:33] <ksmth> does apt-get update + upgrade also update ubuntu?
[11:33] <k1l> ksmth: it does not bring you from 13.04 to 13.10
[11:34] <ksmth> k1l: that's good, because I wouldn't want that ;)
[11:34] <supauli> ksmth: it works in the say way as debian apt-get does
[11:34] <k1l> !apt | ksmth
[11:35] <learner> k1l: http://pastebin.com/dFknBHZh
[11:35] <learner> k1l: this happened y'day
[11:37] <ksmth> k1l: thanks, that seems to be a very nice resource for everything related to apt
[11:37] <learner> k1l: are you able to access the log ??
[11:37] <k1l> learner: yes, can you make sure "lightdm" is installed? "apt-get install lightdm"
[11:38] <ksmth> supauli: being unfamiliar with both, this information does not help me very much. ;)
[11:38] <learner> k1l: its says - lightdm is already the newest version.
[11:38] <learner> when I used the command
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> learner: sudo apt-get --reinstall install lightdm
[11:39] <learner> ActionParsnip: done , shd I restart that PC ?
[11:39] <learner> or startx
[11:40] <k1l> learner: dont use startx
[11:40] <k1l> start lightdm
[11:40] <learner> k1l: ok
[11:40] <k1l> "sudo lightdm start"
[11:40] <learner> wow...
[11:40] <learner> k1l: thanks
[11:40] <learner> ActionParsnip: thanks
[11:41] <WinstonSmith> hi trying to set a gsettings schema, in dconf the schema exists, but gsettings complains "no such schema". now how do i set an option in that schema on the cli?
[11:42] <learner> k1l: that was simply great... just trying after restarting once... thanks a lot
[11:42] <learner> k1l: restarting PC I mean
[11:43] <linu1> hi i bought a new serial bluetooth adapter,i want to work on it through command,i used normal pairing for file transfer between 2 ubuntu pc,but i dont have idea abt serial bluetooth adapter,can you help me
[11:43] <learner> k1l: after PC restart, same problem
[11:43] <learner> k1l: how can I make lightdm start
[11:44] <k1l> learner: sudo lightdm start
[11:44] <learner> k1l: do I have to everytime do lighdm start
[11:44] <k1l> learner: this is a server install?
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> learner: it should add itself to the startup
[11:44] <learner> k1l: this is desktop 12.04
[11:45] <learner> k1l: should I add this to autostart apps
[11:45] <learner> k1l: or can you give me command to add this
[11:45] <paul424> http://sourceforge.net/projects/opendungeons/files/Current%20Release/ hello who could test my binaries ?
[11:49] <learner> k1l: should I try - sudo update-rc.d lightdm defaults
[11:49] <hitsujiTMO> learner: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[11:50] <hitsujiTMO> learner: makes sure you select it as the default display manager
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> learner: does it not show up on its own anyway after a reboot?
[11:51] <learner> ActionParsnip: show up what ?
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> learner: does the GUI login page not show now, when you reboot?
[11:53] <learner> ActionParsnip: No
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> learner: you can add the command you ran to start lightdm in /etc/rc.local  above the 'exit 0' line
[11:55] <learner> the ubuntu logo is shown continuously and when I press escape I see error showing "Error opening display!"
[11:55] <learner> then I press ALT + F1 to login thru terminal
[11:55] <learner> and start lightdm
[11:55] <learner> !!!
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> learner: is this a fresh install?
[11:56] <learner> no quite old
[11:56] <learner> using it since one year or so
[11:56] <k1l> learner: pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> learner: could try:  sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop
[11:57] <Ssshh> ah i remember the days of hacking X to get it working :D
[11:57] <Ssshh> ActionParsnip: wouldnt an X reconfigure work better than a reinstall?
[11:58] <Ssshh> or at the very least dropping a .conf file into /usr/X11/?
[11:59] <Ssshh> learner: while on the screen with the ubuntu logo, try CTRL-META-BACKSPACE see if it fixes it
[12:00] <Ssshh> if not can login through a TTY, try going to init 3 then back to 4, and if that fails you can always cat the error message in the X logfile
[12:00] <k1l> Ssshh: not that much "hacking" needed. we actually can look into syslog and see if there is some error
[12:01] <Ssshh> k1l: was back in early 2000's
[12:01] <Ssshh> XFree86 :D
[12:01] <k1l> Ssshh: yes, we have evolved since back then :)
[12:02] <Ssshh> X tech has, but then i still miss my old Debian with X86
[12:02] <learner> k1l: http://pastebin.com/7rnfw5Aq
[12:02] <tokam> Hi my Samsung Galaxy S3 is not listed as an mtp device on my ubuntu computer. Why not? I do not even find it with lsusb or mtp
[12:03] <tokam> mtpfs
[12:03] <Ssshh> tokam: try opening a shell and sudo dmesg | tail see if its listed
[12:06] <ralph_> good morning. I'm having difficulty trying to install kubuntu 13.10 and overwriting an existing ubuntu 13.10. the installer doesn't see any hdd which i believe is due to the existing install being a full disk encypted install(passphrase to boot os)
[12:06] <Ssshh> ralph_: you can use sudo fdisk /dev/yourdisk and rewrite the drive from there, just throw down a basic linux part :)
[12:07] <tokam> Ssshh: not it is not listed.
[12:07] <alexande1> is it possible to give a spesific userid permissions to a spesific folder without chown or changing him into the group that has permissions
[12:07] <tokam> http://pastebin.com/Apb1LNDz
[12:07] <azamat> hi. On my ubuntu 13.10, sometimes volume goes to maximum. Why is that?
[12:08] <ralph_> ive tried installing kde plasma desktop already but something broke it. id like to reinstall but even after formatting disk and repartitioning in kubuntu live disk session installer still doesnt recognize the hdd. the partition program in live session still shows a lock on the hdd and im never prompted for my passphrase?
[12:09] <learner> ActionParsnip: Thanks, adding command to /etc/rc.local helped
[12:09] <Ssshh> tokam: doesnt look possible according to the Ubuntu forums, sorry mate
[12:10] <tokam> :(
[12:10] <learner> k1l: Thanks again
[12:10] <tokam> maybe there is an alternative? maybe an nautilus plugin?
[12:10] <Ssshh> tokam: might be not sure, i dont use a lot of andoid devices mate
[12:11] <Ssshh> ralph_: might just need a reboot so the kernels aware of the partition changes if any have been made
[12:13] <ralph_> @ssshh i will try thx
[12:16] <azamat> anyone?
[12:17] <Ssshh> azamat: not sure mate
[12:17] <azamat> ok)
[12:24] <alexande1> I want to see relevant info regarding users in terminal
[12:24] <alexande1> how can i display such info?
[12:26] <geirha> what do you consider relevant?
[12:26] <alexande1> username-userid-gid-secondary groups
[12:26] <alexande1> perhaps even homefolder
[12:27] <alexande1> i know that groups is displayed with the groups command
[12:28] <geirha> getent passwd   shows most of it
[12:28] <alexande1> Thanks geirha!! :D
[12:33] <alexande1> geirha: I used the /etc/passwd file already as an indication, but it only shows primary group. so now i use the passwd file and the groups command to get most of the info. But is there a command that is even more informative?
[12:36] <geirha> alexande1: Shouldn't be too hard to read in those two databases with awk and output the info in the format you want.
[12:40] <sopparus> how can I check which crypto are installed in kernel?
[12:50] <geirha> alexande1: awk 'BEGIN{OFS=FS=":"} FNR==NR{group[$3]=$1; n=split($4,a,/,/); for (i=1;i<=n;++i) member[a[i]]=member[a[i]]","$1;next} $3>=1000{print $3, $1, group[$4] member[$1]}' /etc/group /etc/passwd
[12:51] <geirha> alexande1: gives you  uid:username:groups
[12:51] <MasterOfDisaster> alexande1: what about 'id'?
[12:52] <MasterOfDisaster> alexande1: id <username> e.g. id fuero -> uid=1000(fuero) gid=1000(fuero) groups=1000(fuero),20(dialout),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),120(vde2-net),124(pulse-access),1001(netdump),122(vboxusers),129(libvirtd)
[12:55] <weedmic> using mail (or mailx) from a terminal as root, how does one delete all e-mails for root read or unread?
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: look in /var/spool/mail or /var/mail   each mailbox has a text file, just blank it off
[12:56] <MasterOfDisaster> weedmic: rm /var/spool/mail/root might be the fastest way ;-)
[12:56] <weedmic> if I delete the file, will a new one be created when the next e-mail is received?
[12:57] <MasterOfDisaster> weedmic: yes
[12:57] <weedmic> perfect - Q
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: or use:  cat /dev/null > /var/spool/mail/root
[12:58] <weedmic> too late :o
[12:58] <geirha> don't even need cat /dev/null
[12:59] <MasterOfDisaster> ActionParsnip, weedmic: truncate -s0 /var/spool/mail/root
[12:59] <weedmic> tomorrow, i'll take all the mail and put it in a file and print it out and see what notices I've been getting that aren't 356k lines worth :D
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: that too
[12:59] <geirha> just   >/var/spool/mail/root   without any command, will truncate the file
[13:01] <weedmic> has anyone here successfully got eticket (from eticketsupport) to fetch pop3 mail?  I'm trying to hire eticket to get that working, but they don't seem to read my messages.  the ticket sysem works fine except for fetching e-mail via pop3.  it's not ubuntu so it's ok if no one knows either.
[13:05] <TJ-> weedmic: have you used tcpdump/whiresark  to analyse any connections it makes?
[13:06] <weedmic> no - i shall look into that momentarily
[13:06] <weedmic> could it be wireshark?
[13:07] <vanea> Let say I have this directory structure http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=NwYYj25S Can anyone help me to make a script that goes to the directory R, then enters R1 do the stuff, exits R1, enters R2, do the stuff, and so on till R9, exits R9, exits R, enters C, enters C1, do the stuff, exits C1, and so on till all the directories from the first level (e.g. R, C, H) are processed by it?
[13:07] <vanea> I do not know the precise list of the directories or subdirectories
[13:07] <weedmic> I might suggest #bash - they helped me with some scripting (if it was bash)
[13:08] <TJ-> weedmic: "sudo tcpdump -nvi $IF tcp port 110"
[13:10] <huttan> vanea: man find
[13:10] <AnonymoRefuge> what?
[13:13] <weedmic> i connect from my linux to other linux servers using krdc.  it works, but it is very choppy moving the cursor.  anyone know how to make it smoother?  I'm comparing this to when I use rdesktop to connect to windoze servers which works smoothly.  rdesktop has never worked for me from linux to linux.
[13:14] <james_woods> Hi, I've compiled strongswan on my own on Ubuntu 13.04 and I want to have it started at system startup. AFAIK Ubuntu made a switch from /etc/init.d towards service - can someone point me towards a howto where I can learn howto add the strongswan startup script?
[13:14] <huttan> weedmic: teamviewer is great for convenience. www.teamviewer.com
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: what do you do on the remote system?
[13:15] <weedmic> Q, but vnc is already working, I just want a better experience
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: vnc is not secure. I hope you are not using it over WWW
[13:16] <philinux> james_woods;~ dash>startup apps. You can add it there.
[13:16] <weedmic> I'm the root user and manage them.  they are not all in my building - my networks is a bit large.
[13:16] <MasterOfDisaster> weedmic: I'd strongly suggest using xfreerdp (newer versions of krdc do) and try adjusting its performance settings
[13:16] <weedmic> it is an intranet
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: so you help users fix desktop issues on the remote systems?
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: VNC is not secure in any way. I suggest an SSH tunnel for security
[13:17] <weedmic> no, i don't like users.  it's only servers
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: what do you do on the servers that needs a GUI?
[13:17] <MasterOfDisaster> weedmic: liking them is optional :D
[13:17] <AnonymoRefuge> lol
[13:17]  * cfhowlett thinks this explains SO much ...
[13:18] <MasterOfDisaster> ActionParsnip: you might be hard pressed using a windows server without a gui.
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: what do you do when you are on the remote server desktop?
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: have you not used Windows server core then?
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: no GUI at all, you manage it using powershell from your desktop PC
[13:18] <weedmic> for example, the helpticket lamp machine.  it is a complete unit to itself.  I did not open the apache to others, so I would need to open firefox to manage it (until I get it to fetch pop3 mail - then I can mange it without ever goign there at all via e-mail).
[13:19] <weedmic> the backup machine is all text, but sometimes i get 5 of each letter - which is a bother
[13:19] <MasterOfDisaster> ActionParsnip: If I could, I would. If you have to install 3rd party cra... ah software that requires a GUI for installation and operation, you're screwed.
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: you can open the SSH port, connct to the server then run Firefox via SSH, nice and secure
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: its managed dude, good times
[13:20] <MasterOfDisaster> ActionParsnip: plus, we're domainless heathens here.
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: plus, making MSI packages of software is wise
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: makes effort for yourselves without a domain
[13:20] <weedmic> I can consider that, perhaps it is the wrong approach, but do you have any idea why rdesktop does not connect to linux machines - while krdc/vnc does?
[13:21] <weedmic> in my mind, I always think of ssh as text only - so it is a bit of a new concept for me
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: no idea. I think remote desktop is pretty much dead these days, there are lots more graceful ways to achieve what people use vnc etc for.
[13:21] <MasterOfDisaster> weedmic: well, is your linux box running an rdp server? Isn't rdesktop rdp client only?
[13:21] <weedmic> checking
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: if the client has an X server (install and run Xming in Windows) you can X forward apps to it and they will be running on the server side but displaying on the client
[13:22] <weedmic> i'm only talking linux - connectin to nt machines is working perfectly
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: then linux to linux will run as your client will have an X server
[13:23] <xerror1> hi all, its me :-) may i ask somethign ?
[13:23] <weedmic> u just did :D
[13:23] <xerror1> :-D right
[13:24] <cfhowlett> !ask|xerror1,
[13:25] <pavs> Is it possible to install the latest stable kernel 3.13 on Ubuntu 13.10?
[13:25] <k1l> !mainline | pavs
[13:25] <xerror1> ty, ok, my question: is the dailybuild of 12.04.4 to consider as unstable as a dailybuild before a fullrelease is ? could i really damage hardware installing the dailybuild of 12.04.4 and if i intsall it, where could i exchange expieriences baout it and maybe contribut a little to it ?
[13:26] <weedmic> I found nothing with "rdp" on the server at all - hmmm
[13:26] <weedmic> i think i'll try the ssh thing first though
[13:26] <pavs> thanks
[13:26] <cfhowlett> xerror1, daily builds are not considered stable.  use the point releases
[13:27] <cfhowlett> xerror1, or go ahead and use daily and contribute bug/break and fix reports
[13:27] <weedmic> give me a sample terminal line to start firefox on a remote linux machine to which I am connected via ssh, then I can see if that works for me.
[13:29] <xerror1> cfhowlett: ty ! so the only meetingpoint would be the bugtracker ? and am i right that the alpha2 comes on th24th this month ?
[13:29] <weedmic> i'm not sure vnc is insecure, i setup kfrb to allow the connection only from 1 machine - did that not do anything?  or are you talking sniffer level snooping b/c it is not encrypted packeten.
[13:34] <Bawz> pow
[13:35] <zetheroo> using Ubuntu 12.04.3 here ... I have a 16GB USB stick ... I copied about 1GB of data to it and then Safely Removed it ... then up pops something saying that data is being written to the USB disk and to wait until it's finished ... this dialog stays there for quite a while before finally disappearing ... this does not seem right.
[13:39] <cfhowlett> xerror1  alpah2?  um, you MUST be talking about 14.04 and not 12.04.4, right?
[13:43] <MyNickIsNick> hi, i need help if anyone has an idea... i'm trying to do some traffic shaping using wondershaper, but every time i try i get this output : RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported We have an error talking to the kernel
[13:44] <MyNickIsNick> some people say that i may need to load some modules toi enable QOS at kernel level
[13:45] <MyNickIsNick> most doubt that i should compile a new kernel with QOS enabled, because the default kernel probably has it already (12.04)
[13:45] <james_woods> philinux: but I am speaking of a server, e.g. I want to solve this via terminal and without a login event?
[13:46] <james_woods> philinux: I think crontab is the wrong thing to use and I thought service might be the right (?)
[13:46] <AnonymoRefuge> MyNameIsNick: Im not sure, i havent ever had that problem, but you could look it up on bing or google if that would help
[13:46] <james_woods> I will use /etc/rc.local
[13:46] <MyNickIsNick> AnonymoRefuge: well i did, and there's a lot of material on these keywords, most talk about compiling a new kernel with good options selected
[13:47] <trisquel> hi
[13:47] <younes> Hello,
[13:47] <AnonymoRefuge> Ahhhh okay, im not sure then, sorry
[13:47] <trisquel> my laptop brightness is max every time i bootin
[13:47] <MyNickIsNick> and there is my other issue, i compiled my new kernel, placed it in /boot tryed update-grub command, but the system does not see my frehly compiled kernel
[13:47] <trisquel> i tried echo 3 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
[13:48] <philinux> james_woods;~ some info here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767979
[13:48] <MrAlexandro> accidental change of root's shell using chsh here. trying to use the shell file to change it back but now i get pam authentication faled
[13:48] <trisquel> but doenst work
[13:48] <tomboy64> nobody here knows how to switch window-/mouse behaviour to "focus on hover"?
[13:48] <MyNickIsNick> last time i tryed to build my own kernel, grub was a few versions back, and we used menu.lst
[13:48] <tomboy64> it's no problem to change on kde, why is this an issue on gnome?
[13:48] <trisquel> any solution?
[13:50] <trisquel> younes: i have a hp printer 3515 that works in ubuntu 13.10 but not in 12.04?
[13:52] <younes> hmmm
[13:52] <younes> weird
[13:52] <younes> hmmm
[13:52] <trisquel> younes: i think its driver issue?
[13:52] <younes> Maybe try to google for drivers for linux i'll help you with searching
[13:53] <WinstonSmith> hi i'm on 13.10, custom keyboard shorcuts don' seem to work, tried different shortcuts none work. any ideas?
[13:53] <trisquel> younes: i have tried installing drivers from hp site but it breaks the setup so i wont.
[13:53] <younes> hmm look at this: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html
[13:54] <younes> try it with that
[13:54] <younes> if it doesn't work call me then ;0
[13:54] <younes> ;) *
[13:54] <younes> And btw why did you downgrade?
[13:55] <WinstonSmith> shortcut shows up fine in org.gnome.desktop.settings.daemon.plugins.media-keys.custom0
[13:55] <younes> winstonSmith?
[13:55] <WinstonSmith> younes: yes?
[13:55] <younes> Does your keyboard come with special drivers?
[13:56] <younes> If so you need to install them
[13:56] <trisquel> younes: with 13.10 my hardisk and cpu of the laptop make a lot of noise and run continuously thus heating issue
[13:56] <John__> Hey, to anyone with experience - I'm attempting to run Ubuntu from a toshiba external harddrive - the OS will be run on multiple machines, is it my best bet to go with the 32 bit installation?
[13:56] <WinstonSmith> younes: no normal PS/2 keyb, other system shortcuts work fine
[13:56] <younes> Trisquel Hmmm okay weird but ok
[13:56] <younes> Jhon____ YEs
[13:56] <matenano> ciao
[13:56] <matenano> !list
[13:56] <younes> BEcause you can't know the ram specs on every pc
[13:56] <John__> ^ exactly
[13:56] <John__> okay
[13:57] <John__> thanks
[13:57] <younes> No Problem
[13:57] <John__> will my HDD be wiped completely during installation?
[13:57] <John__> I have files on it.
[13:57] <younes> Jhon__ It depends
[13:57] <trisquel> younes: i had similar issues with almost every ubuntu release except the lts one.
[13:57] <younes> I would recommend to partition your hard drive
[13:57] <John__> Thats what i thought
[13:57] <younes> trisquel Hmmm did your laptop run windows first?
[13:57] <trisquel> younes: no
[13:58] <trisquel> younes: why?
[13:58] <younes> Hmmm because your laptop can need some special drivers or it won't work like mine
[13:58] <trisquel> younes: but why does it work with 12.04?
[13:59] <raiderturbo> John__, Is there a particular reason why you want to install to a external HDD?
[13:59] <younes> I have no idea but i could be that the kernel is different and works for you but i have no idea
[13:59] <younes> Radiderturbo: because he wants to use it with multiple pc's
[13:59] <John__> I'm a high school student and my school has a networked system of PCs running Windows 7.
[14:00] <John__> I think it would be great to literally carry around my hard drive.
[14:00] <younes> Ahhh don't like windows ;P
[14:00] <John__> That's why I want to boot up to Linux on every computer I have access to.
[14:01] <WinstonSmith> so any ideas?
[14:01] <younes> Nice idea Jhon__ But my school haves a other linux distro installed so i don't have to use a hard drive :p (dual-boot)
[14:01] <younes> about what ?
[14:01] <raiderturbo> John__, And you're school is going to let you do that?!?!
[14:01] <John__> That would be nice if I didn't attend an inner-city low budget school.
[14:01] <John__> Pssh, of course not.
[14:01] <raiderturbo> *your
[14:02] <raiderturbo> lol
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> John__: if yu have a linux system at home you can port forward port 22 and run an SFTP server, no need to carry anything then :)
[14:02] <John__> I considered that actually.
[14:02] <John__> I'm afraid of my IT director becoming the wiser and disabling that feature, leaving me in the cold.
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> John__: as long as port 22 is allowed then you win
[14:03] <WinstonSmith> hint: run on port 80 ;)
[14:03] <younes> John__ btw if there is a computer you can always live boot if it supports usb booting
[14:03] <John__> Anyway to check?  {Windows 7 Enterprise}
[14:03] <younes> ahah smart ;)
[14:03] <John__> Live boot?
[14:03] <younes> To check what jhon__?
[14:03] <younes> Ahhh
[14:03] <John__> If port forwarding is disabled.
[14:03] <John__> or allowed in this case.
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> John__: you can try SSHing to known SSH servers etc, you wont be able to connect to your own kit as its not setup yet
[14:04] <younes> Well every computer should have a bois chip go into the bios and select usb as first boot option
[14:04] <younes> if you don't see it it probably wont work
[14:04] <John__> Wouldn't the OS be more efficient if I could just install it to the HDD
[14:04] <John__> faster i mean
[14:05] <John__> i have a TB external
[14:05] <John__> its not a problem to do so
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> John__: why, how does that fix anything?
[14:05] <younes> John__: Again it depends on what you want
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> John__: smart admins put passwords on BIOSes etc, so may scupper your plans to boot USB
[14:06] <John__> does wubi require administrator
[14:06] <younes> Jhon__ If you have a slow connection then yes but sftp or ssh doesn't need that
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> John__: yes it is a system change to Windows
[14:06] <younes> much internet speed
[14:06] <John__> i do not believe i have administrator access
[14:06] <younes> BrB
[14:06] <John__> no i dont
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> John__: plus wubi is garbage, and no longer developed
[14:07] <younes> Jhon__ You don't need it
[14:08] <John__> http://www.speedtest.net/result/3247917639.png
[14:08] <John__> my internet is plenty fine
[14:08] <dopsi> John__ : you can also try file sharing over http (https://singpolyma.net/2009/11/simple-http-based-file-shares-for-ubuntu/)
[14:08] <younes> Nice
[14:08] <John__> i don't have a steady internet connection at home
[14:08] <John__> my DSL times me out
[14:08] <John__> i live in the middle of nowhere, however my school is in the middle of town
[14:08] <younes> Jhon__ ohh then maybe it's not better to run it at home but to install it on the HD
[14:08] <John__> it has great internet
[14:09] <John__> is that possible to do so without an administrator account?
[14:09] <younes> Yes
[14:09] <younes> Just boot into the bios
[14:09] <designbybeck> Very Odd Problem this morning!... I shutdown Ubuntu 13.10 after work on Friday. I boot up this morning and can't get past the login screen. I type in my password, the screen goes blank and then comes back to the login. This happens with Guest as well.
[14:09] <John__> pendrivelinux requires admin'
[14:09] <younes> Why?
[14:09] <designbybeck> I tried going to a terminal and start/stop lightdm, but that didn't seem to help
[14:09] <designbybeck> I've restarted and shutdown twice..... Any suggestions!?
[14:09] <John__> I just have the ISO..
[14:09] <younes> designbybeck: Sorry Can't help you with that
[14:09] <designbybeck> This is the first time tanything tlike this has happened
[14:10] <younes> Jhon__ wait i'll give you a tut
[14:10] <younes> John__?
[14:10] <John__> class change :D
[14:10] <John__> brb
[14:11] <younes> Look here for a tut on how to install it on a external HD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDM2LqFoHv4
[14:11] <younes> ohhh he is afk :|
[14:11] <designbybeck> ActionParsnip: ...might you be around?
[14:13] <younes> Guys i'm afk!
[14:15] <Quitey23312> Guys, I'm trying to download eclipse Kepler. I don't find it in the USC. If I download it in my browser, the download fails due to faulty internet connection.. Can I get a torrent/ppa?
[14:15] <Guest16334> Hi everyone, I've got a problem with Ubuntu 13.10 : after the installation, I've lost my wallpapers... I cannot change my default wallpaper nor the Unity's dock color...
[14:16] <tiblock> Hi. I tryed to upgrade from ubuntu 13.04 to 13.10 and while rebooting i got this http://rghost.ru/51819776/image.png and nothing changing for about 1-2 hours. Do i need hard-reboot notebook or wait more?
[14:17] <younes> tiblock: Try to do a clean reinstall
[14:17] <younes> hi john__
[14:17] <tiblock> younes, so i can reboot it? Thank you.
[14:17] <John___> hey
[14:17] <younes> i found a tut for you on how to install ubuntu on a HD
[14:17] <younes> look here
[14:18] <younes> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDM2LqFoHv4
[14:18] <John___> no YT...
[14:18] <John___> any text tutorial
[14:18] <John___> ?
[14:18] <younes> sure wait a sec
[14:18] <John___> ill try a VPN in the mean time
[14:18] <Guest16334> All I got is a black wallpaper, cannot change anything about it ...
[14:18] <younes> John__ are you her?
[14:18] <younes> e
[14:18] <nearst> hello
[14:19] <younes> Guest16334: Try to download one
[14:19] <John___> lol
[14:19] <younes> John__
[14:19] <John___> im on an Xp machine now
[14:19] <younes> look herre http://www.makeuseof.com/answers/installing-ubuntu-on-an-external-hard-drive/
[14:19] <John___> send that to me again in one second
[14:20] <John___> im going to move to a windows 7 machine
[14:20] <younes> oki see you then
[14:20] <Guest16334> Hi Younes ( thanks ), I already tried but anything I tried worked !
[14:20] <designbybeck> So far I tried this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360572/cant-log-in-after-upgrade-ubuntu-13-10
[14:21] <designbybeck> tried removing .Xautohrity didn't seem to do anything
[14:21] <dubey> Hello
[14:22] <dubey> I am using 12.04 installed with  openvpn. I want to configure vpn client same as "redirect-gateway def1"  on windows
[14:22] <cfhowlett> dubey, greetings
[14:24] <designbybeck> Well dang that didn't work either
[14:24] <vklp> hello everyone, I'd closed the lid of the computer and when I just re-opened it, the screen was not locked, as it was normally supposed to be. I tested it by closing and opening the lid once again, and it was locked this time. what might have happened?
[14:24] <designbybeck> I tried this as well... still didn't work: sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --show-manual-login true
[14:24] <John___> Alright..
[14:24] <John___> Back on a 7 machine.
[14:25] <younes> john___
[14:25] <John___> Yeppers.
[14:25] <younes> look here: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2013/10/23/how-to-install-ubuntu-13-10-on-an-external-hard-drive/
[14:25] <smmsadrnezh> I have elementary OS Luna 64-bit on my HP Pavilion dv6 laptop. I'm unable to change desktop wallpaper and create new keyboard language layout in system setting. It doesn't take effect.
[14:25] <John___> 10-4.
[14:25] <younes> roger, over
[14:25] <smmsadrnezh> Please help me.
[14:25] <juzemack> anyone know why there is a huge performance difference from 12.04 to 13.10 on virtual box??
[14:25] <designbybeck> Anyone have problems logining into Ubuntu 13.10? I type in my password it goes to blank and then goes back to the login
[14:25] <cfhowlett> !details|smmsadrnezh,
[14:26] <cfhowlett> juzemack, how much ram did you give the new box?  are you using 32 or 64 bit on the new box?
[14:26] <designbybeck> smmsadrnezh: also contact the elemntary OS IRC channel
[14:27] <juzemack> cfhowlett: I maxxed out my ram and it is the 64, that may be the issue?? my older 12.04 is 32
[14:27] <cfhowlett> smmsadrnezh, elementary OS?  Is that ubuntu?
[14:27] <John___> Okay... installation is asking for me to mount linux distro onto a disc... I obviously know how to do that but my question is will I need administrative access - which I do not have.
[14:27] <arunpyasi> guys, will Ubuntu 32 bit dual boot with windows 8?
[14:27] <smmsadrnezh> designbybeck: cfhowlett: elementary is based on ubuntu.
[14:27] <compdoc> juzemack, are any processes taking up a large amount of cpu time?
[14:28] <cfhowlett> smmsadrnezh, but it's NOT ubuntu so ... not supported here.  sorry.  pretty sure they have their own support channels.
[14:28] <juzemack> compdoc: not that I know of. As far as I am concerned it is running under same conditions my 12.04 was
[14:28] <Guest16334> Another thing : when there's not a window opened ( not reduced into the dock ) and I close one, I've got a little freeze ( when my Ubuntu has to load the desktop it freezes a little bit )..
[14:28] <younes> john___ Did you go in to the bios and booted from the iso or disk?
[14:28] <juzemack> im currently on the 12.04 version
[14:28] <designbybeck> correct smmsadrnezh but those guys know their setup inside and out and might can provide better insight...just a suggestion
[14:28] <juzemack> I was told I may have to run 'mate' along side VBox
[14:28] <cfhowlett> juzemack, 64 bit needs a different kernel than 32 bit and vbox can't always create it.
[14:28] <juzemack> cfhowlett: ok, I may have to reinstall under 32
[14:29] <John___> younes :  dont i have to burn that image to a disc or USB first?
[14:29] <juzemack> my laptop is 64 and was hopin it would utilize the hardware a bit better
[14:29] <John___> i just have the .iso on my external
[14:29] <John___> nothing has been done to it
[14:29] <younes> John__ you need to use a tool to kinda put it on the usb/disk because else it wont boot
[14:29] <cfhowlett> juzemack, ??? mate is a desktop environment ...
[14:29] <cfhowlett> juzemack, ask the experts: #vbox
[14:30] <juzemack> cfhowlett: sounds good, thanks for the info
[14:30] <younes> John___ google it i'm sure you'll find it type in: How to live boot ubuntu from usb
[14:30] <arunpyasi> guys, will Ubuntu 32 bit dual boot with windows 8?
[14:30] <John___> i need a tool that doesnt require administrative access
[14:30] <cfhowlett> juzemack, I've had better luck with 32 bit
[14:30] <cfhowlett> juzemack, for similar reasons, I'd recommend NOT using unity in a  vbox.  lubuntu/xubuntu run just fine
[14:30] <arunpyasi> guys, will Ubuntu 32 bit dual boot with windows 8 64 bit?
[14:31] <cfhowlett> arunpyasi, yes.  but
[14:31] <compdoc> juzemack, you can always just look to see if any processes taking up a large amount of cpu time
[14:31] <cfhowlett> 64 bit should run if your system is capable
[14:31] <younes> John___ they don't need it
[14:31] <juzemack> compdoc: when i look at processes on both machines they appear to be similar, although 13.10 64 is slightly heavier
[14:32] <juzemack> I think I will just reinstall with 32 and see what that does
[14:32] <cfhowlett> juzemack, best of luck.
[14:32] <juzemack> cfhowlett: thx for the help :)
[14:33] <compdoc> juzemack, cant use the ram if you go 32bit
[14:33] <compdoc> did you say you have 64G ram?
[14:33] <juzemack> heh no 8 gig ram on my laptop
[14:33] <compdoc> ah
[14:33] <ihre> Would it be possible to dd an entire system from a HDD to an USB stick?
[14:34] <compdoc> still, 32bit is limited to 4G
[14:34] <ihre> so that it would boot, forgot to mention
[14:34] <cfhowlett> ihre, ... in theory ... yes.  straight copy.  Now a BOOTABLE copy is a whole different question
[14:34] <younes> Ok guys i need to go cya
[14:34] <cfhowlett> :)
[14:36] <Ssshh> compdoc: 32 is 3TB, beyond 3TB a 32 bit arch cant handle
[14:37] <compdoc> Ssshh, its actualyl 4G, but the video card ram has to fit in there
[14:37] <Ssshh> when you format a "4TB" device you get less than 4TB
[14:37] <Ssshh> so 3TB way i see it
[14:39] <pankaj_> is there a way to have unity,lxde,xfce desktop in a system without clashing of applications?
[14:40] <Ssshh> yeah
[14:40] <John___> ok
[14:40] <pankaj_> wahts that
[14:40] <Ssshh> all 3 use GTK, with Unity being GTK3 based
[14:40] <Ssshh> since Unity is another GNOME shell
[14:40] <nivram> how to get world war 2001 to work
[14:41] <Ssshh> you should only need to set your GTK2/3 themes and you should be good to go
[14:41] <Ssshh> isntr LXDE switching to Qt actually?
[14:41] <pankaj_> i could not get your last line
[14:41] <dopsi> pankaj_ : yes install kdebase-workspace for kde desktop without kde apps (konqueror, etc...)
[14:42] <cfhowlett> pankaj_, yes, just install the desktop environments not the meta-packages; e.g. sudo apt-get install lxde NOT lubuntu-desktop
[14:42] <pankaj_> ok
[14:42] <pankaj_> and if i need to remove one of them completely?
[14:43] <john____> Got administrative access
[14:43] <john____> installing pendrivelinux to external now
[14:43] <pankaj_> eg. i will remove xubuntu-desktop for xfce ?
[14:43] <cfhowlett> pankaj_, sudo apt-get purge packanage-name
[14:43] <pankaj_> purge wil do what?
[14:43] <Munster> Hi
[14:44] <nearst> pankaj_, remove config file
[14:44] <Bray90820_> Can a live CD be used to upgrade ubuntu
[14:45] <nearst> Bray90820_, if ure chroot it
[14:45] <Bray90820_> Alright
[14:45] <Bray90820_> I'll just stick with the update manager
[14:45] <Bray90820_> seems quicker
[14:48] <Ssshh> Bray90820_: its as easy as mounting your partitions, typing chroot /your/directory /bin/bash and then upgrade from there
[14:48] <Ssshh> i would highly recommend learning how to :]
[14:50] <Bray90820_> i will be learning how in the next few weeks but right now it's quicker then downloading the iso and making a CD
[14:50] <Ssshh> Bray90820_: Aptitude will upgrade your running system itself once installed
[14:51] <Bray90820_> Right now i am just using the upgrade manager
[14:51] <Ssshh> because of Debians base you just need to issue a dist-upgrade and you can download updates and it'll auto upgrade basically
[14:51] <hans> apt-get can upgrade to.
[14:51] <Bray90820_> Yea
[14:51] <nearst> usually chroot is for recovery. upgrade and dist-upgrade will safe too
[14:52] <Ssshh> like nearst said, recovery
[14:52] <Bray90820_> I will be taught all of this in my windows command line class
[14:52] <Bray90820_> wait
[14:52] <Ssshh> but i have been known to use old install isos and upgrade from a chroot before first boot
[14:52] <Bray90820_> i ment Linux/unix comman line
[14:52] <Ssshh> try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:53] <Ssshh> if its Debian use aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:53] <Bray90820_> I already started the update process
[14:53] <Ssshh> you did read the release notes right?
[14:53] <Bray90820_>  didn't really need to because i pretty much knew everything it was going to say
[14:53] <Ssshh> ah ok cool :]
[14:54] <Bray90820_> I have been using ubuntu for almost 10 years
[14:54] <Bray90820_> i started on 8.04
[14:54] <Ssshh> i started Ubuntu on first release
[14:55] <Ssshh> twas fun
[14:55] <Ssshh> not particularily fond of it lately like
[14:55] <Bray90820_> you don't like the unity stuff huh
[14:56] <Ssshh> no i can say i do like it to an extent, but i prefer vanilla GNOME 3 to it
[14:56] <Ssshh> it could be very much more refined
[14:57] <nearst> hoary for me as i remember, canonical send me a live CD to install it. sweet memory
[14:57] <Ssshh> nearst: i remember them :]
[14:57] <Myrtti> memory lane runs to #ubuntu-offtopic too ;-)
[14:57] <Bray90820_> personally I love it but that might be due to the fact that i am using it as my tv interface with a touch screen and remote
[14:57] <Ssshh> im up for some of that!
[14:57] <nearst> Myrtti, ty for advice :P
[14:59] <Bray90820_> What i would like it a tablet to run ubuntu desktop with the touch interface
[15:00] <muttley_> hey all! :) anyone use this hacking tools? its great for learning!   http://adf.ly/cRFKQ
[15:00] <somsip> !touch | Bray90820_
[15:00] <knightshade> hi
[15:00] <trisquel> hi
[15:01] <Bray90820_> somsip: i was actually asking more about an overlay for the desktop version
[15:01] <Milkyway> french ?
[15:01] <somsip> Bray90820_: overlay? You mean unity?
[15:01] <somsip> !fr | Milkyway
[15:02] <trisquel> i have trouble configuring a hp printer Ink Adv 3515. It runs on 13.10 but doesn't run on 12.04 and i use 12.04?
[15:02] <jatt> does ubuntu 12.04 use systemd or upstart?
[15:02] <Bray90820_> somsip: I wanted the touch interface on top of the desktop version so i could run all the desktop apps but use it like a tablet
[15:02] <trisquel> what can be done
[15:02] <Bray90820_> somsip: i already have the desktop version installed
[15:03] <somsip> Bray90820_: you want to enable the touchscreen in unity?
[15:03] <Bray90820_> somsip: you know the interface for a device like a nexus 10 right
[15:03] <somsip> Bray90820_: No, I don't
[15:03] <trisquel> any idea
[15:04] <Cheery> how to configure sound settings in modern ubuntu?
[15:04] <Bray90820_> somsip: no offense but i don't think your the right person to be helping me
[15:05] <somsip> Bray90820_: I agree. Maybe if you can clarify exactly what you want, someone else can help.
[15:05] <Bray90820_> somsip: i actually did but you didn't realize that there is a different interface for tablets and desktops
[15:06] <trisquel> printer hp 3515 works on 13.10 and not on 12.04 why?
[15:06] <somsip> Bray90820_: it may be that you're expecting a convergence from !touch that is in development and !14.04 unity which is also in development. It may be that 14.04 gives you the unity experience you want, but without some of the screen-switching necessary on a small-form device. Anyway, EOT for me
[15:07] <robotti^> pippelispoppelis
[15:07] <somsip> !fi | robotti^
[15:08] <supauli> Btw: on ircnet the ubuntu.fi was invite only (?)
[15:08] <robotti^> I don't think so
[15:08] <Bray90820_> somsip: http://pocketnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ubuntu-touch-nexus-10.jpg
[15:08] <robotti^> supauli: I am chatting on ubuntu.fi at ircnet
[15:09] <Bray90820_> that's the interface i want on the desktop verson so i can use it on my touch screen laptop
[15:09] <anonymous>  
[15:09] <somsip> Bray90820_: as mentioned, !touch is in development and supported elsewhere. It's nice to have hopes for the next version of Unity, but you may not get concrete answers that help you here
[15:11] <Bray90820_> somsip: i just asked here since I wanted on top of the desktop version instead of starting with that as the base and not being able to install desktop apps
[15:11] <Bray90820_> do you get what i am saying
[15:11] <somsip> Bray90820_: you seem to want something that isn't there yet. For now, it's Unity. And I'm going to stop responses now as off topic.
[15:12] <Bray90820_> Anyone else wanna chime in
[15:12] <anonymous>  
[15:12] <anonymous>  
[15:12] <anonymous>  
[15:12] <FloodBot1> anonymous: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:13] <bwk> in gnome boxes I can't establish a connection to the ISOs i'm trying to make a box for. Any clues of why that is?
[15:14] <railsraider> can someone help me out with this upstart it hangs but when i just fire the start-stop-daemon from the shell it workshttp://pastebin.com/QtsYWUPb
[15:14] <railsraider> http://pastebin.com/QtsYWUPb
[15:16] <Bray90820_> Would ubuntu work well installed as a VM on a clover trail processor
[15:17] <Cheery> so nobody knows how to adjust ubuntu audio from terminal?
[15:18] <supauli> Cheery: alsamixer
[15:18] <adje123>  
[15:18] <adje123>  
[15:18] <adje123>  
[15:18] <FloodBot1> adje123: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:18] <Cheery> supauli: thanks!
[15:18] <supauli> Cheery: np!
[15:20] <Bai11> I'm trying to do CUDA development locally, but I'm not confident about configuring everything. I've got an NVIDIA GeForce 525m, but that's tied up with the integrated graphics. I expect to configure the driver for the card, configuring Bumblebee, and then install CUDA 5.5, but I'm not sure how to approach it. Can I get some thoughts on this?
[15:20] <bwk> anyone know of gnome-boxes and it failling to connect to ISOs?
[15:21] <supauli> Bai11: I use OpenCL with nvidia cards, its just packages opencl-headers and nvidia-<something>
[15:22] <Bai11> supauli: I gotta use CUDA, part of a class on Coursera
[15:22] <supauli> Bai11: I see, (opencl is imho better due it can be used with different vendor cards), but for cuda i cannot say for sure
[15:23] <supauli> Bai11:  But see: vidia-304-dev: /usr/include/nvidia-304/cuda/cuda.h
[15:23] <oal> I'm trying to take a screenshot in SuperTuxKart, with Shutter, but I always get tearing, even though vsync is enabled in STK. Any ideas how I can do this?
[15:23] <supauli> I think if you just install the nvidia-<versionhere>-dev it might have all the needed files
[15:23] <supauli> !help
[15:24] <traceroute87> I have a fresh install and recently just installed my nvidia drivers. Now every time I boot I see this " Missing Operating System" error. And I no longer see a boot splash. It stays black till I reach X?
[15:25] <supauli> traceroute87: something went wrong with your installation, i think
[15:25] <supauli> did it boot ok at all after installation?
[15:26] <pikaren> is yum better than apt
[15:26] <supauli> no
[15:26] <color_fish> I would please like some help on remastersys. I have created a remastersys backup whilst in a chrooted environment. it generated an iso which I tested on a virtual machine (qemu) in the chrooted environment. However when I use "dd" to copy the iso over to a Flash Drive to make it bootable, It doesnt boot at all on a real machine. I need help.
[15:28] <color_fish> I would please like some help on remastersys. I have created a remastersys backup whilst in a chrooted environment. it generated an iso which I tested on a virtual machine (qemu) in the chrooted environment. However when I use "dd" to copy the iso over to a Flash Drive to make it bootable, It doesnt boot at all on a real machine. I need help.
[15:29] <traceroute87> supauli, Well initially after I killed nouveau and rebooted. It was stuck on a black screen and wouldn't do anything and I was unable to see access a login prompt. So I rebooted into recovery and finished my nvidia installation then rebooted and everything was fine, Minus that error and no bootsplash
[15:35] <tuxcrafter> hi all i need to install six ubuntu 13.10 kvm quests systems downloaded the offical server iso and followed the steps, but the end results is a ineffective quests with way to much swap space, wierd big console resolution and some other stuff i dont like
[15:35] <tuxcrafter> is there a special optimised ubuntu kvm quest iso
[15:35] <tuxcrafter> server 13.10 amd64
[15:36] <andrew806> tuxcrafter not that i know of. what hardware are you using?
[15:36] <compdoc> tuxcrafter, nothing wrong with using the standard iso. I do.
[15:37] <tuxcrafter> andrew806: im using a intel xeon cluster
[15:37] <andrew806> why are you using 13.10 server?
[15:37] <tuxcrafter> customer demand
[15:37] <andrew806> why not 12.04?
[15:37] <tuxcrafter> normaly i use debian
[15:37] <garylabronz> how do i use terminus font, with xterm, doing like xterm -fn terminus doesnt load it
[15:37] <mads-> I live in a crowded residential area and I would like to know if anyone has connected to my wifi. Is there a way to analyze (or just check activity) on my network?
[15:37] <garylabronz> i have installted console-terminus
[15:37] <andrew806> mads, log into your router
[15:37] <andrew806> and check the status of your LAN
[15:37] <andrew806> it'll show all current devices connected
[15:38] <compdoc> 13.10 is a bad choice for that
[15:39] <tuxcrafter> compdoc: why is it a bad choice?
[15:39] <color_fish> I would please like some help on remastersys. I have created a remastersys backup whilst in a chrooted environment. it generated an iso which I tested on a virtual machine (qemu) in the chrooted environment. However when I use "dd" to copy the iso over to a Flash Drive to make it bootable, It doesnt boot at all on a real machine. I need help.
[15:40] <martian> When using bash completion of directory names, why does bash auto complete a trailing slash on to directory names but not symlinks? When trying to cd to a symlink, I need to hit tab twice. No big deal but it would be nice if I didn't have to. Any thoughts?
[15:40] <mads-> andrew806, a bit easier than I had imagined :) Thanks
[15:41] <compdoc> tuxcrafter, end of life is July 2014
[15:41] <Bray90820_> Anyone know if there is an ubuntu touch sell i can run on top of ubuntu desktop instead of unity so i can have the touch features while still being able to run desktop apps
[15:41] <tuxcrafter> compdoc: ah yes i know
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> Bray90820_: try in #ubuntu-touch
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> Bray90820_: the Unity shell is quite touch frindly
[15:43] <tonino> ciao
[15:43] <Bray90820_> ActionParsnip: I did as well but since i was installing the desktop version as a base i thought i would as here as well
[15:43] <tonino> !list
[15:53] <[Ethos]> Good Day!
[15:54] <linuxuser1000> hello
[15:55] <linuxuser1000> i've just ran a jockey-text --list and for some reason it says my video card driver is disabled
[15:55] <linuxuser1000> kmod:nvidia_319_updates - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use)
[15:55] <linuxuser1000> even the free one is disabled
[15:56] <linuxuser1000> it scares me seeing my nvidia card is disabled
[15:56] <[Ethos]> You can download the binary from the nvidia.com
[15:56] <[Ethos]> that would be propietary
[15:56] <[Ethos]> but ubuntuguide.org
[15:56] <linuxuser1000> i did but that just gets me into a blackscreen
[15:56] <[Ethos]> has non-propietary version
[15:56] <linuxuser1000> after install
[15:56] <linuxuser1000> and reboot
[15:56] <[Ethos]> do a fresh install
[15:56] <Vinyl> hello
[15:56] <[Ethos]> and download one from ubuntuguide.org
[15:57] <linuxuser1000> is the non proprietary better
[15:57] <linuxuser1000> ?
[15:58] <Beldar> linuxuser1000, The proprietary wont follow kernel upgrades for one.
[15:58] <[Ethos]> not much difference, one is written by nvidia, the other one is written and customized for Ubuntu by Linux Developers
[15:58] <garylabronz>  any ideas using terminus with xterm? running xterm -fn terminus doesnt work
[15:58] <linuxuser1000> i still wonder why does primusrun and optirun work
[15:58] <Vinyl> If it's working fine, leave it as it is
[15:58] <linuxuser1000> if my videocard is disabled
[15:58] <[Ethos]> Beldar or anyone has found a way to dual boot with Windows 8?
[15:59] <Vinyl> I triple boot
[15:59] <Ben64> linuxuser1000: because you have dual gpu
[15:59] <[Ethos]> lulz
[15:59] <Orpheon> I need some help with some RAM problems. I have 8 GB of RAM installed, but both ubuntu and windows7 (dualboot) only detect 4. Even the BIOS does this http://i.imgur.com/wG6CfsI.jpg , and memtest shows both http://i.imgur.com/zubWJfh.jpg , More details about the devices: http://i.imgur.com/p2bEsUD.jpg . Anyone have any idea how to deal with this?
[15:59] <Beldar> [Ethos], Many dual boot in that scenario.
[15:59] <Orpheon> (Alternatively, anyone know an other channel where it would be more appropriate?)
[15:59] <[Ethos]> please guide me to how to
[15:59] <linuxuser1000> and if i do primusrun glxspheres
[15:59] <Vinyl> Ethos, do you use uefi as system?
[15:59] <linuxuser1000> it says it's running through the nvidia
[15:59] <Beldar> !uefi | [Ethos]
[15:59] <linuxuser1000> card
[16:00] <Vinyl> Sorry, new to irc and such. Don't know all of the commands and such :)
[16:00] <[Ethos]> Vinyl: Yes
[16:01] <[Ethos]> Beldar: Thanks.
[16:01] <Vinyl> Okay, Ethos. What are you running atm?
[16:01] <Vinyl> Or can I see that with a script
[16:01] <Beldar> Orpheon, There are limitations on the amount of memory for any setup, does your computer run on 8 gigs, did you check this?
[16:01] <Orpheon> yes
[16:02] <[Ethos]> Windows
[16:02] <Orpheon> a friend bought the exact same computer, he has 8 GB, he just didn't put ubuntu on top of the existing windows
[16:02] <Beldar> Orpheon, Is the ubuntu 64 bits?
[16:02] <Orpheon> at least I assume that's the reason, never noticed this before
[16:02] <Orpheon> yes, both OSes are 64-bit, although that shouldn't matter if even the BIOS has trouble
[16:02] <Vinyl> Ethos, did you buy a laptop with w8 already installed?
[16:02] <Orpheon> Beldar, ^
[16:03] <[Ethos]> my laptop already has Ubuntu 13.10
[16:03] <Vinyl> Aah okay, system76?
[16:03] <Beldar> Orpheon, I would check that the memory is seated, and be sure that the computer will actually use 8 gigs, not assume it will.
[16:05] <[Ethos]> Beldar: so you recommend legacy boot
[16:05] <[Ethos]> and dualboot
[16:05] <[Ethos]> right?
[16:06] <TJ-> Orpheon: what's the make/model of the PC (or motherboard) ?
[16:06] <Orpheon> TJ-, not sure what name you want. Intel i5?
[16:06] <Vinyl> Legacy boot is always better
[16:06] <Vinyl> Well
[16:06] <[Ethos]> that's uefi
[16:06] <Vinyl> IF you dont mind a 2 sec longer startup or something :P
[16:07] <[Ethos]> Vinyl: stop trolling man
[16:07] <TJ-> Orpheon: I can't be any clearer!
[16:08] <Orpheon> TJ-, sorry, my own ignorance
[16:08] <Vinyl> Am I trolling or something Ethos?
[16:08] <TJ-> Orpheon: what is the make and model of the PC, or if it is a white-box or self-built, what is the make/model of the motherboard?
[16:08] <Orpheon> TJ-, [    0.000000] DMI: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. P55-UD3L/P55-UD3L, BIOS FI 11/01/2010
[16:08] <Bray90820_> Does unity 8 have detection of a hardware keyboard like on ubuntu touch
[16:08] <Orpheon> bought, not self-built
[16:08] <TJ-> Orpheon: thanks
[16:09] <bingo> Hello. does anyone know the commands to remove the old video drivers before updating to the newest. I found that if i remove the ones currently, the new ones wil install fine and not brick my OS
[16:10] <Bray90820_> i am asking so i can use the touch keyboard when no hardware keyboard is attached to my touchscreen laptop esktop
[16:10] <Orpheon> TJ-, here's the dmesg output http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792342/
[16:10] <Bray90820_> laptop not dsktop
[16:10] <Ben64> bingo: apt-get should handle all of that, unless you installed with a strange method
[16:11] <bingo> no, but it just wont work. I upgrade id driver it bricks. This isnot new, some are have this problem. But! I did find a solution once that allowed me to update, i had to remove current driver listing first. I just cant recall the thread
[16:11] <adie> how would I go about completely disabling a sound card? :<
[16:11] <bingo> something to do with it needing to be clear to point to new driver on boot
[16:11] <Ben64> bingo: that makes no sense
[16:12] <bingo> its hard to explain, but if i upgrade driver to newest, 100% it will nto boot
[16:12] <bingo> if i dont first remove listing for current
[16:13] <bingo> im looking, ill try to show you
[16:13] <TJ-> Orpheon: The DMI info suggests that modules A0 and A2 are mapped to 0x00000000, and A1 and A3 are mapped to 0x80000000. That is wrong, each should be mapped to a different address:
[16:13] <bingo> but I am not alone, many people have this nvidia issue
[16:13] <color_fish> I would please like some help on remastersys. I have created a remastersys backup whilst in a chrooted environment. it generated an iso which I tested on a virtual machine (qemu) in the chrooted environment. However when I use "dd" to copy the iso over to a Flash Drive to make it bootable, It doesnt boot at all on a real machine. I need help.
[16:13] <germanstudent> Are there good gnuplot alternatives? (Want to know, because I have to decide which tool to study)
[16:13] <Ben64> bingo: well you must have installed the driver manually or something, because what you're saying simply is not the case
[16:14] <bingo> yes i had, i used the "additional driver"
[16:14] <color_fish> I would please like some help on remastersys. I have created a remastersys backup whilst in a chrooted environment. it generated an iso which I tested on a virtual machine (qemu) in the chrooted environment. However when I use "dd" to copy the iso over to a Flash Drive to make it bootable, It doesnt boot at all on a real machine. I need help.
[16:14] <bingo> d yuo know command to remove association for removing 304 driver ?
[16:15] <bingo> whatever may conflict with updating
[16:15] <bingo> to 319*
[16:15] <toad_> Hi folks, anyone else having problem installing packages from apt archives? I'm constantly getting "packages could not be authenticated".... :/
[16:15] <bingo> found thread ! Ben64 , want to see?
[16:16] <Beldar> color_fish, remastersys is a 3rd party not in the ubuntu repos, technically not supported here, you might try ##linux
[16:16] <toad_> @color_fish - you can't dd an iso to a flash drive - and iso is an optical disc image AFAIK
[16:16] <bingo> Ben64, http://askubuntu.com/questions/145195/nvidia-driver-problem-after-updating-to-12-04  --- this worked for me
[16:17] <Beldar> toad_, Not authenticated is a missing key generally.
[16:17] <toad_> @Beldar, got all the keys, deleted them and reimported them
[16:17] <toad_> cleared the apt cache /var/lib/apt/lists etc
[16:18] <Ben64> bingo: so what you're saying is, you have two version of nvidia installed? well sure, that can cause problems
[16:18] <toad_> no joy... :( think it might be proxy/firewall but can't fathom why
[16:18] <bingo> ya but, Ubuntu for me, wont do it when i upgrade driver. it does for most
[16:18] <Beldar> toad_, It would help if you showed these is a pastebin to the channel, we also don't use @ here, you cab tab complete nicks.
[16:18] <bingo> hence why is problem
[16:18] <Beldar> in*
[16:18] <Ben64> bingo: then you need to get rid of the packages that you do not need, and keep the correct nvidia one, then it will work
[16:18] <bingo> most Ubuntu users it wont install 2 versions, this is problem for some people. I am one
[16:19] <bingo> yes!
[16:19] <bingo> i found command for get rid :)
[16:19] <Ben64> don't do what it says in that link you posted though
[16:19] <bingo> it worked last time
[16:19] <bingo> but okay, what i do?
[16:19] <Ben64> 1st, what video card do you have
[16:19] <bingo> gefore 9600m gt
[16:19] <Ben64> is it dual gpu?
[16:19] <toad_> OK Beldar, will get a pastbin up in a sec
[16:19] <bingo> i dont know
[16:21] <Ben64> bingo: what does "lspci | grep VGA" say
[16:21] <bingo>  NVIDIA Corporation G96M [GeForce 9600M GT] (rev a1)
[16:21] <bingo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G96M [GeForce 9600M GT] (rev a1)
[16:23] <Ben64> bingo: ok, and "cat /etc/issue"
[16:23] <bingo> Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l
[16:24] <ekarlso> http://pastebin.com/pyRNKUXt < is this a bug in kernel package or ?
[16:25] <bingo> Ben64, , my concern is that if it does not work i cant boot and must reinstall. wh cant i use method i know worked
[16:28] <Ben64> bingo: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia"
[16:29] <bingo> Ben64, http://pastebin.com/Aq57jCL2
[16:30] <bingo> Ben64, this worked last time sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current
[16:30] <bingo> but i wont do yet
[16:31] <Ben64> you've already got the latest 304 driver
[16:31] <bingo> better is avaialble in list
[16:31] <bingo> 309
[16:31] <bingo> i should not bother?
[16:31] <bingo> says recommended
[16:32] <Ben64> unless you're trying to do gaming, not worth it
[16:32] <bingo> sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current  let me use 309
[16:32] <bingo> yes gaming
[16:32] <Ben64> then you should use 319
[16:32] <bingo> yes sorr 219
[16:32] <bingo> 3
[16:32] <bingo> so i can do sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current then?
[16:32] <bingo> only way i was able to use it
[16:32] <Ben64> well you don't have nvidia-current
[16:32] <Ben64> because you keep breaking everything :)
[16:32] <bingo> ill try the others on that page, one worked
[16:32] <bingo> without it, i cant boot
[16:32] <Ben64> you can if you stop purging things all the time
[16:33] <bingo> from th start, fresh install
[16:33] <bingo> wont boot when i upgrade
[16:33] <bingo> every time
[16:33] <bingo> this is problem that is not uncommon for some
[16:33] <Ben64> you're doing something wrong if its not upgrading
[16:33] <bingo> all i do is use the gui
[16:33] <bingo> what i can do wrong?
[16:33] <Ben64> anyway, purge nvidia*
[16:34] <bingo> i dont know why it works, but it does
[16:34] <bingo> :/
[16:34] <teddy> hello!!!
[16:34] <bingo> if i upgrade to 319 now and dont do it, it wont boot, 100 sure :/, ty fo your help though Ben64
[16:35] <Ben64> then do sudo apt-get install build-essential dkms linux-headers$(uname -r | sed s/^.*[0-9]\-/-/g) nvidia-319-updates nvidia-319-updates-dev nvidia-common nvidia-settings-319-updates
[16:35] <toad_> Hi folks, can anyone tell me why I'm getting apt package authentication problem when trying to install update?   http://pastebin.com/uNw8w2Fh
[16:35] <Ben64> then do sudo dpkg-reconfigure dkms
[16:36] <guillaumeJ> bonjour comment allez vous ,
[16:36] <guillaumeJ> ?
[16:36] <Ben64> then it should have built the new module and you can have 319
[16:36] <Ben64> !fr | guillaumeJ
[16:37] <Bray90820_> How well does ubuntu run on intel atom z2760 if at all
[16:39] <Unforgiven> if i do apt-get source <package> , can i copy that source and install to other laptop (same ubuntu distro)
[16:40] <longviewbits> Unforgiven: I'm guessing yes... I don't know if source tarballs get put in the same directory as .deb files /var/cache/apt/archives/, but if they do... you want to put them there on the target system.
[16:41] <longviewbits> Unforgiven: does the source system not have an Internet connection? (or a slow/metered connection)
[16:41] <Unforgiven> longviewbits: no, just hating to download the same thing
[16:42] <longviewbits> Unforgiven: much easier to just do that
[16:42] <Pici> Unforgiven: Is there a reason you can't use the binary instead of the source?
[16:42] <longviewbits> Unforgiven: why not just download it again?
[16:42] <Unforgiven> oh that apt-get source is not a binary source?
[16:42] <TJ-> Unforgiven: The packages are downloaded to the current directory and extracted there; I have "/home/all/SourceCode/" where I pull source to. You don't need "sudo" to do "apt-get source <package>"
[16:42] <longviewbits> Unforgiven: is this a gigantic file, or something? If not, then what's the big deal?
[16:43] <q_a_z_steve> Trying to boot recent versions of Ubuntu or even Tails and I get screens like this. I can't get past it even with rEFInd installed on my Macbook Pro. http://picpaste.com/dTBlcmGN.JPG http://picpaste.com/ijMQHMFr.JPG
[16:44] <TJ-> Unforgiven: If you just want to download the binary .deb files use "sudo apt-get --download-only install <package>"
[16:44] <longviewbits> q_a_z_steve: there's a fix for that... run OS X on it. :)
[16:44] <longviewbits> q_a_z_steve: as it was designed for ;)
[16:44] <Pici> Unforgiven: no.. it is the actual source code of the package.  If you have just installed it recently on computer 1, you can go into /var/cache/apt/archives/  and copy it out.
[16:45] <q_a_z_steve> longviewbits: Thanks. Troll.
[16:45] <Unforgiven> TJ-: does that download the dependencies as well
[16:46] <tonino> ciao
[16:46] <longviewbits> q_a_z_steve: I'm not a troll. I use both OSes, on both types of hardware. I have experience with this issue. It is seriously a freak of nature, in my opinion, to try and shoehorn Linux on to a machine that was designed to run a different OS. Not to mention, a serious waste of money.
[16:47] <Ben64> !behelpful | longviewbits
[16:47] <q_a_z_steve> So what if all I'm trying to do is use a liveCD for a specific purpose and then I'll go right back to supporting Apple and their security holes?
[16:49] <TJ-> Unforgiven: As far as I recall, yes. It'll do the same job as a regular install with regards to downloading the packages.
[16:50] <nicofs> I have a small PC (Odroid) running Xubuntu with XBMC on top [A] and my normal Xubuntu PC [B]. Is there a way (UPnP?) to initiate streaming of a media file from within [B] to XBMC on PC [A], i.e. by context menu on PC [B] "send to > PC A (XBMC)"...? (Did I phrase that in a way that is understandable? oO )
[16:53] <ikonia> nicofs: I have no idea what you've just tried to explain
[16:54] <TJ-> nicofs: You want a context-menu item in the file-browser that allows you to add a custom send-to action via a custom-written script... is that it?
[16:56] <nicofs> TJ-, and more than that a way to "push-stream" a media file to a remote (UPnP) device...
[16:56] <nicofs> ikonia, in a way, I want to "push" a file from my PC to a remote PC's XBMC...
[16:57] <ikonia> so server -> client, rather than client <- server
[16:57] <nicofs> ikonia, yes
[16:57] <ikonia> I thought upnp was based on requests not push
[16:59] <nicofs> ikonia, i don't know much about UPnP - it was just the only thing i could think of looking for similar/exisiting things...
[16:59] <ikonia> why do you want to push, rather than clients request
[17:00] <tonino> quit
[17:01] <tonino> !quit
[17:01] <nicofs> ikonia, client has no peripherals whatsoever. all i do is open the remote page in a browser on my pc, navigating through the same pc's shared folders on the remote device. click and start would save time...
[17:01] <ikonia> doesn't sound like you're using the right app for what you want
[17:02] <ikonia> are you trying to do something like push out adverising videos to displays around a shop (for example)
[17:02] <q_a_z_steve> longviewbits: Have you got anything that can help me get past the issue?
[17:03] <nicofs> ikonia, if you consider the living room projector a shop, yes
[17:04] <pangel> .
[17:04] <pangel> My screen still dims after unchecking "dim screen to save power" using Gnome 3.10 and Ubuntu 13.10. Is that a known problem?
[17:07] <ldcicconi> does anyone know how I can use an IDE on my local computer to edit files on a cloud server?
[17:07] <nicofs> ikonia, if i take out my smartphone and select the "multi-screen" button, my XBMC instantly displays whatever my smartphone sends. I don's see why that shouldn't work from my pc...
[17:08] <nicofs> granted, sending the command to stream might be slightly more sophisticated - but would be exactly what i'd like to have...
[17:09] <Bray90820_> can ubuntu run on an intel atom z2760 processor
[17:09] <ikonia> nicofs: ok, I see what you mean now. It maybe worth looking at the Apple Airplay open source implimentations (not actual airplay) as there is a "send to device" function that could work well for you
[17:09] <ikonia> nicofs: depends on what that app is
[17:09] <ActionParsnip> Bray90820_: yes
[17:09] <ActionParsnip> pangel: how did you install Gnome 3.10?
[17:10] <Bray90820_> ActionParsnip: SCORE
[17:11] <BigMao> Hi there, my machine was compromised yesterday.  I'm reinstalling it now, do I need to wipe the home folder? (It's mounted on a different partition).
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> BigMao: you could virus scan it from liveCD etc..
[17:11] <BigMao> ActionParsnip, thanks. What is a good virus scanner for Linux?
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> BigMao: clamav, avg...various
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> !av
[17:12] <nicofs> ikonia, thanks so far :) I think this apple thing is worth looking at for a start...
[17:12] <BigMao> I have a pretty good idea of how the machine was compromised (sshd was replaced) - but I don't know of anything that might be lurking in users' home folders that might be logging passwords
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> BigMao: rkhunter may help too
[17:13] <BigMao> ActionParsnip, thanks - rkhunter seems to look on the root filesystem and not in peoples' home folders afaik.
[17:13] <waykool99> ClamTK or ClamAV, same thing. plus i use Tiger unix security and BleachBit (as root).
[17:13] <Bray90820_> Am i right that wubi isn't around anymore?
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> BigMao: not sure, worth throwing in to the mix, if its no good then fine :)
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> Bray90820_: its not developed anymore
[17:14] <MarkDavies> Does somebody know if MS Word handles ODF documents properly?
[17:14] <MarkDavies> (no fireworks)
[17:14] <Bray90820_> Oh well i will just wait till tomorrow then to install ubuntu
[17:15] <BigMao> ActionParsnip, thanks :)
[17:17] <waykool99> might it be possible in ubuntu studio v13.10 to download the elements of the Gnome 2 GUI to replace Xfce or run side by side?
[17:22] <Pessimist> waykool99, gnome 2 is discontinued but there's a fork of it called "the mate desktop environment". It is in ubuntu 14.04 repositories but not 13.10. You can use a ppa though. I don't know what you mean by 'elements of the gnome 2 gui' but you can run mate applications on xfce and vice-versa but you still have to choose one desktop environment
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> waykool99: just install the gnome-panel package then log off
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> waykool99: Cinnamon is also in the official repos
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> !away > GTB3NW_AWAY
[17:24] <Vynel> !uefi
[17:24] <Vynel> Is there a command that shows all the !?
[17:24] <Vynel> like !help
[17:25] <Vynel> !help
[17:25] <Vynel> !patience
[17:26] <Vynel> !uefi Vinyl
[17:30] <PDPC101> linux firewall is essentially broken until kernel 3.15
[17:30] <Vynel> iptables eh
[17:30] <bingo> hello, what is the command to show which vid driver i am using ?
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: how so, its still iptables which is separate to the kernel
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: your statement doesnt make sense
[17:31] <PDPC101> nftables takes precedence
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: how, if it's not installed?
[17:32] <PDPC101> nftables iptables and nts fight ntf wins
[17:33] <bingo> Hello. Vidro driver says it is activated but not currently in use. How can i make it in use?
[17:33] <bingo> video*
[17:34] <ActionParsnip> bingo: what is the output of: lspci | grep -i vga
[17:34] <bingo> ActionParsnip, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G96M [GeForce 9600M GT] (rev a1)
[17:34] <bingo> pc-02@pc02-laptop:~$
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> bingo: and the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[17:35] <bingo> i want to know which driver version is using currently
[17:35] <bingo> k
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> bingo: sudo lshw -C display | grep driver
[17:35] <bingo> ActionParsnip, pc-02@pc02-laptop:~$ cat /etc/issue
[17:35] <bingo> Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: I have trusty on 3.13 kernel, no nftables command to set it up.....
[17:35] <bingo> ActionParsnip, sudo lshw -C display | grep driver
[17:35] <bingo>        configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0
[17:35] <bingo> pc-02@pc02-laptop:~$  sudo lshw -C display | grep driver
[17:35] <bingo>        configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0
[17:35] <bingo> pc-02@pc02-laptop:~$
[17:36] <bingo> sorry
[17:36] <FloodBot1> bingo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> bingo: then it's in use :)
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> bingo: nvidia is the proprietary video driver
[17:36] <bingo> yes but which version?
[17:36] <bingo> i want 319
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> bingo: if you run:   nvidia-settings    does it say?
[17:37] <bingo> says 319 but on "additional drivers" says its activated but not in use. Confused which is correct
[17:38] <ActionParsnip> bingo: additional drivers can be ignored, if nvidia-settings is telling you its ok, it's fine
[17:38] <bingo> ok ty , i test fps now :)
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: so how can anyone configure nftables, without a configuration method? Guess what does the firewalling? iptables, just like it always has
[17:40] <PDPC101> nft is in the kernel you just have to trust its disabled bug free or have a sane default
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: Im using the default Trusty kernel, so why would it be disabled if its so magnificent?
[17:41] <puchacz_> hi, I think I am experiencing this problem: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=15378.0   when I try to convert a specific image, I am getting: convert: invalid argument for option `-resize': -resize 512x512 @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/2382.
[17:42] <puchacz_> is this there another resizer on ubuntu?
[17:42] <ActionParsnip> puchacz_: does 'file' report the source file as an image ok?
[17:42] <PDPC101> so you trust thing you cant confirm or even attest its functioning or not
[17:42] <PDPC101> or configure
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: i looked online for the commands to configure the nftable service, I have none of them.
[17:44] <PDPC101> just because the commands to configure it arent in place it doesnt mean the code isnt in use
[17:44] <puchacz_> ActionParsnip: yes
[17:44] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: then how would I configure my firewall without tools to configure it?
[17:44] <puchacz_> ActionParsnip: other commands from imagemagick work ok on it, for example: convert  /home/puchacz/tmp/wikimedia-images.2014.01.19/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Carpinus_betulus_\'Fastigiata\'_by_Line1.jpg -print "%w%" /dev/null
[17:44] <puchacz_> gives me width of the image
[17:45] <PDPC101> so is ntf disable?
[17:45] <PDPC101> the code is in the kernel
[17:45] <puchacz_> ActionParsnip: I will try to use gimp in command line mode
[17:45] <ggz> hi
[17:46] <PDPC101> you cant even atest to wether or not they are in use by default
[17:46] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792793
[17:46] <ggz> when I launch chromium the first site I open freeze, i need to open a second tab to have a working site, i'm on ubuntu 12.04
[17:46] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: its not a service or a command.
[17:46] <ActionParsnip> puchacz_: does the partition you are converting to have free space and inodes
[17:47] <puchacz_> ActionParsnip: yes, 35% in use in df -h
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> puchacz_: and:  df -i
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: "The currently used iptables(8), ip6tables(8), arptables(8), and ebtables(8) (IPv4, IPv6, ARP, and Ethernet bridging) are intended to be replaced with nft(8) as a single unified implementation, providing firewall configuration on top of the in-kernel virtual machine."    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nftables
[17:47] <puchacz_> ActionParsnip: 3%
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: look, its not in yet, you are reading this all wrong
[17:48] <puchacz_> I think it is convert issue, like I pasted....
[17:48] <puchacz_> it does not work only for some images
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: believe what you want,I'm geting back to support
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> puchacz_: can you convert to another image type, then resize that. Just to test
[17:48] <PDPC101> http://www.linux.com/news/software/linux-kernel/758150-linux-kernel-313-why-you-will-love-nftables-
[17:48] <puchacz_> ActionParsnip: let me google the command
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: yes but it doesnt mean its in every kernel
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> puchacz_: convert inputfile.jpg outputname.png   for example
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: you can compile a kernel with no USB support if you wante
[17:49] <PDPC101> i know that
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: so saying it is a feature in the 3.13 kernel is moot if the Ubuntu devs dont include it
[17:50] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: so, if you are using the stock ubuntu kernel, its not in there and iptables is used
[17:50] <PDPC101> im using trusty
[17:50] <puchacz_> ActionParsnip: no worries, it had to do with quotes in filename. Something is wrong in my script
[17:51] <k1l> PDPC101: for 14.04 please use #ubuntu+a since its in development state
[17:51] <dario_> buonasera
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: if its not in the kernel, it wont be active. There are no commands in a default trusty install to configure nftables so its a very safe assumption it's not present and that iptables is doing the work
[17:51] <PDPC101> ok
[17:52] <gx> Anyone know of a CLI program that I can use to compare 2 WAV files and get a good estimation of whether or not they're a match?
[17:52] <ActionParsnip> PDPC101: im sure in time, if it is beneficial then it will move over but for now its not
[17:53] <PDPC101> just making sure its better to not have them that to havem half backed
[17:54] <genioff> j gis
[17:58] <|ozymandias7|> Hi!
[18:04] <kancha> ok here I am agaoin
[18:04] <kancha> http://pastebin.com/ewVmiyLm
[18:04] <kancha> I wrote a bash code
[18:05] <kancha> which helps to delete the content of all files from line 30 to 1000 of txt file of all files of folder
[18:05] <kancha>  ./run.sh: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `sed' ./run.sh: line 4: `      sed -e '30,1000d'; f > f'
[18:05] <kancha> this is an error
[18:06] <ggz> kancha: you need to write $f in your loop
[18:06] <kancha> ok
[18:08] <Shudorshon> Hello, does anyone knows the official support channel of Voyager xubuntu distro?
[18:14] <Guest35548> Hi, guys, I was able to download Minecraft and get permissions to run it, but now I want to get some extra free mods to play with, one of which are the "Mini Clay Soldiers". I am kinda new to Linux, and for the likes of me, I can't find any easy download or way to get mods on Ubuntu 12.04. help if you can
[18:15] <Shudorshon> pinky,  hi
[18:15] <pinky> Shudorshon: hi
[18:16] <Shudorshon> pinky,  where u frm
[18:18] <shmup> in Ubuntu GNOME, is there more going on than just removing Unity and adding Gnome?
[18:18] <Guest35548> anybody know about Minecraft and mods?
[18:23] <Beldar> shmup, unity is tiny and not really a removable per-say easily.
[18:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Beldar: what.
[18:24] <Shudorshon> SonikkuAmerica,  do u know the official support channel of voyager os
[18:24] <Beldar> SonikkuAmerica, Show me a wiki or legit link on removing unity.
[18:24] <Beldar> ;)
[18:24] <Shudorshon> Beldar,  do u know
[18:25] <streulma> how can I solve that my sound is not stuttering with Virtualbox in Ubuntu ?
[18:25] <Beldar> Shudorshon, use whole words here, do I know what.
[18:25] <Shudorshon> beldar,  do u know the official support channel of voyager os
[18:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Beldar: [ sudo apt-get remove unity ] aaaaaaaand it's gone.
[18:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Beldar: Use [ purge ] instead of [ remove ] to get rid of the Unity extras.
[18:26] <Beldar> Shudorshon, That has nothing to do with ubuntu support, and do not just ask questions of people on the channel who have mot addressed your question,
[18:27] <Shudorshon> Beldar,  it runs in ubuntu
[18:27] <traceroute87> After installing my nvidia driver. My boot screen disappeared. Anyone know how I can fix this? Thanks
[18:27] <Beldar> SonikkuAmerica, Hardly, unity is a compiz plugin sitting on gnome 3
[18:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Beldar: So? Get GNOME Shell if you want to directly replace Unity, see !GNOME
[18:28] <Guest35548> does anyone know how to get mods for Minecraft?
[18:28] <Guest35548> or not
[18:28] <SonikkuAmerica> !ot | Guest35548
[18:28] <Guest35548> thanks
[18:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Beldar: Unity is currently a shell for GNOME, but Unity 8 will be a Qt/QML shell. By that time, Ubuntu proper will have its own stock apps and utilities (forked from GNOME).
[18:30] <Beldar> SonikkuAmerica, The general consensus on this channel of the top helpers is unity is small and not worth removing.
[18:31] <Vynel> sup
[18:31] <Beldar> there is no official docs on doing so
[18:31] <percybionic> Hi! I have a dual boot Windows 8/linux-secure-13.04-64bits. Is it possible to upgrade Ubuntu to get a normal version by writing "sudo update-manager -d" ?
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Beldar: Granted, you *could* let Unity sit there and vegetate, but if you wanted another DE it's common practice to grab a Live image of one of the other DEs or use the mini.iso
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> (to build a custom version)
[18:34] <shahan1322f> question, how do you resize launcher icon size in unity with 13.10 and gconf-editor?  or was it not gconf?
[18:35] <Beldar> SonikkuAmerica, Dude, I was not looking for your opinions, just helping another user in the manner this channel has and does do.
[18:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Beldar: Sorry, was trying to clarify a thing or 2
[18:37] <Pessimist> shahan1322f, get unity tweak
[18:37] <ionwind> hello
[18:38] <ionwind> someone how to activate doble panel in nautilus?
[18:39] <ActionParsnip> percybionic: that will upgrade you to Trusty. You will leapfrog a release which is known to cause issues
[18:39] <shahan1322f> why is the general consensus on things like ccsm and unity-tweak so negative?
[18:39] <k1l> ionwind: wasnt that removed?
[18:39] <ionwind> yep thats way i want to have it again
[18:39] <ActionParsnip> percybionic: you will need to upgrade to 13.10 first, then to 14.04 which you would have got with your command. (I suggest you research what your command actually does)
[18:40] <ResQue> how can i set grub to auto boot?
[18:40] <ionwind> i dont know why they removed its a great app
[18:40] <ActionParsnip> shahan1322f: ccsm has a nice warning when you run it
[18:40] <shahan1322f> Pessimist, thank you btw
[18:40] <k1l> ionwind: well, ask the gnome boys :)
[18:40] <ionwind> yes.... :(
[18:40] <shahan1322f> ActionParsnip, does the same go for unity tweak? what about these apps makes them so?
[18:40] <Oneill> any simple way to disable monitor sleep for ubuntu server? really want to monitor some graphs and i need it to be always on
[18:41] <k1l> shahan1322f: unity tweak is the official settings app for unity.
[18:41] <percybionic> ActionParsnip: thanks
[18:41] <streulma> is Ubuntu Precise 12.04.3 LTS recommended for a stable system ?
[18:41] <shahan1322f> k1l, oh i got it mixed up with something else
[18:41] <streulma> !lts
[18:42] <k1l> shahan1322f: what you might mean is ubuntu-tweak, which is a something like the "windows speed up" utilities.
[18:42] <shahan1322f> i see i see.. hmm
[18:42] <k1l> shahan1322f: ccsm has some warnings, because beginners can crash their whole desktop with the settings
[18:42] <ionwind> thanks kll
[18:43] <streulma> can I make Ubuntu runs faster ?
[18:44] <k1l> streulma: there is no hidden config with: make_ubuntu_faster=0 which you need to make =1   :)
[18:44] <shahan1322f> isn't there a way to make launcher icons smaller than 32 pixels? in 13.10?
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> streulma: sure, use a lighter desktop
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> streulma: LXDE and XFCE will use fewer resources and run faster
[18:47] <shahan1322f> or was that only 13.04?
[18:51] <Jonathanchasr> Hello
[18:52] <verdes> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies ; http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ 
[18:52] <verdes> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ ; both give 'Not found'
[18:53] <Jonathanchasr> I have a question, when I install Ubuntu on vmware I cant get my wireless card to be used in the virtual machine if I use ifconfig eth0 only pops up is there a way of getting mon0 to pop up without buying a seperate USB Wireless Adapter
[18:53] <ikonia> Jonathanchasr: the vm should not see a wireless card
[18:54] <ikonia> Jonathanchasr: it should only see an ethernet card that is bridged to the wireless connection on the host
[18:54] <xananax> Hello all. If I have a solid state drive of 15g, and a normal drive of 1 tera, and want to dual boot between win7 and buntu, anyone has pointers on the best partition scheme?
[18:54] <bazhang> verdes, #debian for debain support
[18:55] <ikonia> xananax: don't use the 15gb ssd
[18:55] <ikonia> xananax: that is too small for windows and too small to share
[18:55] <xananax> ikonia, then shouldn't I install ubuntu on it?
[18:55] <ikonia> xananax: no
[18:55] <xananax> with home on another partition
[18:56] <ikonia> xananax: I wouldn't see much benifit to it, use it as a scratch disk or something
[18:56] <ikonia> xananax: if you want to install ubuntu on it, you better really understand the sizing of your distro and what you want to use
[18:57] <xananax> ikonia, in general, my ubuntu does not exceed 15gigs....But yeah, it's gonna be tight
[18:57] <Jonathanchasr> ikonia: ok, thanks
[18:58] <xananax> ikonia, my current setup is ubuntu on the SSD, taking 10gigs, and home on the 1Tb
[18:58] <xananax> I've been using this setup for a year
[18:58] <xananax> Without problems
[18:58] <xananax> My only problem now is I am forced to use windows for some crappy software I don't care about
[18:58] <xananax> So I need to make space for it
[18:59] <xananax> VMs won't be good enough, nor wine
[19:00] <ikonia> xananax: if you know what you want to do and don't want to change it why are you asking "what should I do" ?
[19:01] <xananax> ikonia, sorry, I didn't mean it that way;  know how much my ubuntu weights, but I don't exactly understand what's better about SSDs and what should be installed on them
[19:01] <xananax> Maybe it's better to leave them as virtual memory disks
[19:02] <xananax> or maybe it profits windows better
[19:02] <ikonia> xananax: you don't understand what's bettter about SSD's - but you know you want to use it ?
[19:02] <ikonia> you can't fit windows on it...so what's the point discussing it
[19:02] <xananax> ikonia, So my best bet is to keep ubuntu on it and install windows on the 1gb, you think
[19:03] <ikonia> no, I don't think that at all, which is why I said "don't use it" - but you seem strongly opinioned to use it for ubuntu, so use it for ubuntu
[19:04] <xananax> no, I'm not strongly opinioned about anything, I'm just a noob and I'm trying to understand what's best
[19:04] <ikonia> well, I've given you my opinion.
[19:04] <ikonia> the SSD's are a better drive, but yours is to small to use organically without planning
[19:04] <xananax> So ideally, I'd use it as a scratch disk, a.k.a, store virtual memory on it? Or linux swap?
[19:05] <xananax> Is this what you mean?
[19:05] <ikonia> that would be a total waste of time
[19:05] <xananax> Then what? Just not use it, or mount it somewhere in my ~ and forget about it?
[19:05] <ikonia> just use it for scratch fast IO needs
[19:05] <ikonia> swap is worthless on it
[19:06] <xananax> Ok I see
[19:06] <xananax> Thanks for the advice!
[19:12] <b3knn> Hi all, I might be able to find the answer here ! I am currently using a Macbook Pro and a Dell latitude laptop both with SSD hard drives ( there are other devices on the network but I am using these in the example). In the past I have setup a Squid3 proxy server and set it up for web optimization, this was when I have a 3mb/s DSL connection and it did help vastly.
[19:12] <b3knn> I now have a 120mb/s fiber connection. Would setting up a Squid3 proxy again help with the page loading speeds keeping in mind the Squid3 server would be storing the cache on a normal spinning HDD?
[19:12] <b3knn> I think I know the answer is but I am open to opinions……
[19:12] <b3knn> I now have a 120mb/s fiber connection. Would setting up a Squid3 proxy again help with the page loading speeds keeping in mind the Squid3 server would be storing the cache on a normal spinning HDD?
[19:13] <b3knn> I think I know the answer is but I am open to opinions……
[19:13] <ikonia> b3knn: where does ubuntu come into this mix ?
[19:14] <b3knn> ubuntu would be running the Squid3 server
[19:14] <ikonia> you should see a reasonable benifit caching from squid
[19:16] <b3knn> more so than just keeping local browser cache on each machine ?
[19:16] <ikonia> yes
[19:16] <b3knn> cool
[19:16] <bubbles_> hello all. I could use some help
[19:17] <b3knn> does anyone here run ubuntu on a macbook pro ?
[19:17] <ikonia> but probably not enough of a benifit to warrent running an additional server
[19:17] <ikonia> and the overhead of maintianing a server for squid
[19:17] <ikonia> how many users will be connecting to the squid service ?
[19:17] <bubbles_> I installed ubuntu on my new pc and there is no graphics. Radeon r9 290x, I know I need to install the drivers, trying to do so from command line
[19:18] <b3knn> it ranges from a few users to about 15-20 max
[19:18] <ikonia> b3knn: is this a home connection ?
[19:18] <bubbles_> I try the command sudo sh ./*.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/precise but no deb packages are made
[19:18] <b3knn> yes it is
[19:18] <ikonia> b3knn: then I really wouldn't bother with the hassle/overhead
[19:19] <b3knn> however i run 8 publicly available servers on the link.
[19:19] <b3knn> i think i will not bother......
[19:19] <ikonia> that doesn't really have anything to do with it
[19:19] <bubbles_> any clues what I am doing wrong?
[19:20] <b3knn> well used to tunnel all traffic through the proxy server but with a UTM/layer 7 firewall i done really need to anymore
[19:20] <ikonia> this sounds like a bad design for a home connection
[19:20] <b3knn> why does it ?
[19:21] <ikonia> because your on a home fibre conneciton, that is not designed for hosting and your putting complex setups over the top of it to add pointless layer overheads
[19:21] <b3knn> i never said it was a designed home connection
[19:22] <b3knn> its just in my home
[19:22] <Keanu73Ubuntu> Hi
[19:22] <Keanu73Ubuntu> :3
[19:22] <ikonia> I asked if it was a home connection you said yes
[19:22] <ikonia> if you can't understand the implication of that question, then there is little point having futher discussion
[19:23] <b3knn> no need to be like that
[19:23] <ikonia> I'm not being like that - I'm being honest
[19:24] <b3knn> do you work in the industry ?
[19:24] <ikonia> you've said you didn't say it was a home connection when I asked specifically if it was a home connection, you don't understand the difference in connections, so it's a pointless discussion to have
[19:24] <ikonia> b3knn: in which industry
[19:24] <b3knn> IT/networking ?
[19:24] <ikonia> yes
[19:26] <worik> quit
[19:27] <imadori> Hello guys ;) I really need help so if someone would like to help ( i m french )
[19:28] <b3knn> what with ?
[19:28] <Pessimist> !ask
[19:28] <Ssshh> !patience
[19:28] <Ssshh> haha
[19:31] <imadori> Well, I install Lubuntu on Powerbook G4. It lunch, but I have no sound and don t see the volume control > or battery logo, videos also don t work very good. I try to find some update, but there is nothing. Somebody can tell me what to do ? install a new version of Linux more appropriate ? Or something else ?
[19:31] <ikonia> ppc port - pretty much dead and unsupported
[19:31] <ikonia> the later versions less so than the older versions
[19:35] <darth_pony> hey cna anyone here help me out
[19:37] <imadori> ikonia> so there is no issues ?
[19:38] <ikonia> imadori: there are many issues, hence why it's dead
[19:39] <darth_pony> when i try to update ubuntu i get  string of errors that look like this
[19:39] <darth_pony> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/restricted/i18n/Translation-en_US  Cannot initiate the connection to security.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:67c:1562::14). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:67c:1562::14 80]
[19:39] <ikonia> that host is down
[19:39] <darth_pony> any help would be appreciated
[19:39] <darth_pony> so basically i just have to wait it out
[19:40] <ikonia> pretty much
[19:40] <darth_pony> ok thank you
[19:43] <darth_pony> it annoying because via the update manager i get a a error that says Requires installation of untrusted packages so that is why i was trying to update via the terminal
[19:43] <ikonia> change to point at a different repo
[19:44] <krlngc> Hi all. I've been looking around to find a solution to my wi-fi problem on ubuntu 12.04. Could somebody help me with that?
[19:44] <krlngc> It works quite fine with ethernet connection
[19:45] <krlngc> I followed some instruction, however they didn't work out and now I've ended up not having the connection at all.
[19:46] <krlngc> anyone ?
[19:47] <krlngc> it's dead here
[19:47] <ikonia> no, it's not
[19:49] <gyre007> guys I need to tunel traffic to DB server over SSH from some hosts
[19:50] <ikonia> why would you need that ?
[19:50] <gyre007> is there any sane way to create this tunnel to like 20 hosts ish
[19:50] <ikonia> gyre007: that doesn't sound a good solution
[19:50] <gyre007> I could spend half a day setting up VPN indeed
[19:50] <gyre007> but theres no time to be a hero
[19:50] <ikonia> it's not being a hero
[19:50] <gyre007> and ssh is a solid and proven protocol
[19:50] <ikonia> it's not implementing bad design
[19:51] <gyre007> its a temporary thing
[19:51] <gyre007> for couple of hours
[19:51] <gyre007> not like forever
[19:51] <gyre007> ...
[19:51] <FloodBot1> gyre007: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:52] <krlngc> can somebody help me with the wi-fi problem I have ?
[19:52] <monipanda_> Ikonia: so you will help me ?
[19:53] <ikonia> monipanda_: help you with what, I've not seen you ask a question, just ask the question and people in the channel will help if they can/want to
[19:53] <monipanda_> Sorry, I m Imadori, I ve been disconnected, I didnt see that my nickname change ;)
[19:54] <ikonia> monipanda_: I told you the PPC port is pretty much dead, so you'll struggle
[19:55] <krlngc> what are the main reasons of wi-fi problems in ubuntu 12.04?  It used to work impeccably...
[19:55] <krlngc> I don't get it. It must be due to the recent updates...I didn't touch it at all
[19:56] <monipanda_> ikonia: you would like to help me to fix it ?
[19:56] <ikonia> monipanda_: not really no, as it's a dead distro
[19:57] <monipanda_> ah...
[19:57] <monipanda_> I see...
[19:57] <monipanda_> ikonia: thank you anyway...
[19:58] <krlngc> damn
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[20:09] <krlngc> can someone help me with the wi-fi connection problem ?
[20:11] <asaf_> he
[20:11] <Beldar> krlngc, Run in the terminal lspci and find the wifi info and include this is your queries to the channel
[20:12] <krlngc> yes
[20:12] <krlngc> Beldar, I can't remember the link for copying codes. Can you help me with that ?
[20:13] <Beldar> !pastebin | krlngc
[20:13] <darth_pony> ikonia, thank you for the advice i got it working perfectly now
[20:13] <Beldar> krlngc, The wifi info is one line, just find it and include.
[20:13] <krlngc> Beldar, here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/6793556/
[20:14] <krlngc> Beldar, oh ok ,wait then
[20:14] <Beldar> !broadcom | krlngc look here
[20:15] <krlngc> Beldar, I don't get it. It used to work impeccably. The problem must be due to recent updates. I haven't touched any config at all
[20:16] <krlngc> Beldar, anyway thanks for directing
[20:16] <Beldar> krlngc, I have never used a broadcom card, however many have to use that link to get the drivers and get up and working.
[20:16] <Beldar> get it up*
[20:16] <krlngc> Beldar, ok I'm checking it out
[20:17] <asaf_> #direngezi
[20:17] <darth_pony> krlngc, odd my laptops wireless worked right after a afresh install
[20:17] <Beldar> krlngc, Are you forgetting that maybe you have done this before? If you upgraded the distro you have to reload the drivers.
[20:18] <Beldar> darth_pony, Was it a broadcom, and are you even familiar with broadcom cards?
[20:19] <darth_pony> im not sure let me check but yeah i used to have broadcom on ubutu back in the ahrpy days
[20:19] <darth_pony> harpy
[20:20] <darth_pony> lol this s just a intel wireless card
[20:20] <krlngc> Beldar, all I did was simply allowing the ubuntu to install the recent updates. Apart from that I did nothing special. Then I tried to follow some instructions which didn't work out for me. This must have worsened the situtation
[20:21] <krlngc> Beldar, now I 'm reading the page, see it'll help or not . thanks
[20:21] <Beldar> no problem
[20:21] <bobies> HELLO
[20:21] <bobies> pedro
[20:21] <bobies> VOTE FOR PEDRO
[20:22] <krlngc> Beldar, btw ethernet connection simply works fine
[20:24] <Beldar> krlngc, I'm not your best help on this. However I'm noticing a lack of any specific details in your posts is all.
[20:26] <axisys> how do I play xfinity streampix?
[20:28] <krlngc> Beldar, I've followed the instructions and that made the wi-fi work eventhough extremely slow compared to thw ethernet.
[20:28] <krlngc> Beldar, thanks
[20:29] <rtur> Hi, I am currently repackaging a library and it's header file (two separate packages) and am not sure about pkg-config. As I see it pkg-config is used for libraries not for headers, am I right so far ? The previous maintainer put the .pc file for the library into the package with the header and set the library as a dependency. It doesn't really make sense to me, so I want to move it into the library package.
[20:29] <rtur> But thought to ask, just to make sure I ain't missing something.
[20:31] <matthias__> hello
[20:32] <dumb_questions> anyone know of a good C++ channel to get some help?
[20:33] <rtur> dumb_questions: #c++ ?
[20:33] <dumb_questions> tried, keeps sendnig me to ##overlow
[20:34] <dumb_questions> overflow
[20:34] <mallu> HI, I was wondering if anyone use Active directory for Linux service/app accounts?
[20:37] <mallu> Anyone?
[20:40] <yyc_> hi
[20:42] <yyc_> Q: I am using the current ubuntu release, 64 bit. I have setup printer share using internet printing protocol. When I do a port scan, port 22 and 631 are open to the world. 22 is protected with public key auth only and fail2ban. Is an open 631 a security risk, how to mitigate? Thanks.
[20:43] <drags> I'm seeing a umask of 002 for my non root users on precise server. Is this due to the change to pam_umask? What's the best way to enforce a 022 umask system wide (is it ok to still put mask in /etc/profile?)
[20:43] <yyc_> DRAGS: <- unable to answer your question
[20:48] <drags> argh, looks like it's due to USERGROUP_ENAB in /etc/login.defs
[20:49] <drags> there's a var in there to define default UMASK (022), but then this is set to yes, which makes umask effectively 002 for all non-root users
[20:58] <Daan> hi, i'm new to ubuntu
[20:58] <Daan> just downloaded and installed the latest version on a netbook
[20:58] <Daan> but screen was flickering, now blue and text is not very readable, some graphics issue.. is this a known issue?
[21:00] <k1l_> Daan: no, not really a known issue
[21:00] <Daan> Strange lines appearing accross the screen, in menus only every few letters appear...
[21:01] <cweiske> Hi. How does networkmanager configure its dnsmasq instance? /var/run/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.conf is empty
[21:01] <ProjectBarks> Ok so I have an Hp Pavilion laptop and I wanna delete the HP_TOOlS partition to make room. However I was told I need to make a copy of hp tools to a usb or something in that aspect anyone mind helping me achive this?
[21:01] <ralle> hi.. when setting up a VPN connection, MTU is always set to 1400. I do need another value like 1356. "sudo ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1356" works for one VPN session (until disconnect). Any idea how to set it permanently?
[21:02] <bekks> What makes you think "I do need another value like..."?
[21:02] <bekks> And in the Network Manager, you can set an MTU, as well.
[21:03] <ralle> @bekks: VPN connection does not work with standard value 1400. By searching google I found out that another value (1356) works. My tries confirm this.
[21:03] <tuxy> +OK CHwHT/I6JBA0LW8BL0aR9Ua0W6d1k.7mgSz1Q6bbt.uwCvt0NuwOh/AJePs1UeVdk.80qos.oRaGm0IrBTS1yWXYo1t1n1L1o/n4v1MBGWP14FhCS1Rg3ok.
[21:03] <ralle> @bekks: In network manager I can't change the value because ppp0 is created after VPN connect only.. it does not appear in NetworkManager
[21:06] <jimmt> I just thought of the phrase "ubuntoobad" and I think I'm the first
[21:06] <jimmt> https://www.google.com/search?q="ubuntoobad"
[21:06] <jimmt> anyone heard the phrase before or did I just break new ground
[21:07] <k1l_> jimmt: that is more of a topic for #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:07] <crippledmonk> anyone running trust daily?
[21:07] <Toyraztory2> how do i get rid of workspace switcher
[21:07] <k1l_> crippledmonk: #ubuntu+1 :)
[21:08] <Toyraztory2> please can someone answer my question?
[21:08] <nearst> Toyraztory2, workspace is my live saver. lol. try look at settings
[21:08] <crippledmonk> I just dl'd and am going to dd to usb in order to give a spin. any paticular things I should watch out for?
[21:08] <Toyraztory2> how do i get rid of workspace switcher?
[21:09] <k1l_> Toyraztory2: do you mean the icon? do you mean the 2x2 workspaces? etc etc etc
[21:09] <Toyraztory2> i know but i want to do something different
[21:09] <Toyraztory2> yeah the icon
[21:09] <k1l_> !trusty | crippledmonk
[21:09] <Toyraztory2> whats the terminal process?
[21:09] <k1l_> Toyraztory2: look into the options?
[21:10] <crippledmonk> leave
[21:10] <Toyraztory2> ty
[21:10] <tuxy> +OK qrysf1wWHxI1iJYax.iFHRj/RGqKa1IjhoP1pfidy.rjhqn/P6PdT.R91H70aozMt/D7/s41g.fBn0X0qKV/LUW330GDoI..y88PH.bvKMr1zfn91/yHKOG/QJmz6.Z9yuX1MH0o8/7zJ/b.El2S8/MPcES/
[21:10] <Toyraztory2> I tried looking in ubuntu forums
[21:11] <Toyraztory2> no joy i guess
[21:11] <Toyraztory2> ugh i hate this feature so vehemently.
[21:12] <Toyraztory2> thanks anyway
[21:12] <Toyraztory2> bye
[21:12] <k1l_> o_O
[21:14] <dougl> Toyraztory2 - install Kubuntu
[21:15] <bekks> dougl: which has a desktop switcher by default, too.
[21:16] <dougl> bekks, yeah it works different tho right?
[21:16] <ralle> Can someone help? How to set MTU for VPN (temporary ppp0-network device) permanently?
[21:16] <niranjan_> Trying to find best way to get screen of my work machine to my home machine. I normally connect to my work machine using ssh -t -t <public facing> ssh mydesktop
[21:16] <ralle> i think there must be some script which is being executed on ppp up?
[21:16] <bekks> dougl: It works pretty much the same - it offers desktops which can be switched.
[21:16] <niranjan_> Ssh works fine
[21:18] <dougl> bekks, I wonder if the fact there was more than one desktop or the switcher... I use the cube
[21:18] <tuxy> +OK qrysf1wWHxI1iJYax.iFHRj/RGqKa1IjhoP1pfidy.rjhqn/P6PdT.R91H70aozMt/D7/s41g.fBn0X0qKV/LUW330GDoI..y88PH.bvKMr1zfn91/yHKOG/QJmz6.Z9yuX1MH0o8/7zJ/b.El2S8/MPcES/
[21:18] <k1l_> dougl: we will never know, he stopped ranting and quit already
[21:19] <k1l_> tuxy: please stop that
[21:19] <orionk> heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[21:20] <dougl> k1l_, yeah that is really what I was poking fun at.
[21:22] <Yahto> Hey
[21:23] <JOGATRES> Hi everybody, I am currently working on a paper about reliability of open source softwares in companies. You can help my searches, by answering this short survey: http://opensource-survey.myesgi.org Some of you have already done it and I do thank you
[21:23] <Yahto> I hope that i can get a bit of help here. i am hving problems with my hotkeys/ fn + f1-12 the problem is that they are realy slow they work but slow. if i turn volume up it takes aout 10 sec to react to it
[21:24] <ikonia> JOGATRES: please don't spam surveys in the support channels
[21:26] <JOGATRES> ikonia, ok my bad, i didn't mean to bother
[21:32] <ikonia> JOGATRES: not a problem.
[21:42] <Guest47114> hello
[21:45] <jeffrey_f> Guest47114: If you have a question, please ask.  State the problem as you see it, what you already know and have tried.  If someone knows the answer, they will respond.
[21:48] <dimsen> Hey Guys .. may someon could assist me with some ipv6 trouble .. ?? Im now on Native IPv6 and IPv4 .. its a real DualStck Connection .. I also have a HomeServer running on it ans via DynDNS I can connect to my server .. via https://cloud.dimsen.de   .. since im running on ipv6 .. establishing a connection seems to be very very slow ..
[21:49] <Guest62801> Hi, guys, I'm having a time figuring out how to get mods, mini clay soldiers, for my minecraft. Does anyone know how? Ubuntu 12.04
[21:50] <dimsen> When trying to reach my server via ping6 I not able to connect ... i guess the Problem will be that my server does not allow incomming connections via ipv6 and the Browser is redirecting them to ipv4
[21:51] <dimsen> Ohh on my Server i have running Ubuntu 13.10 64 bit .. with apache 2.4 ..
[21:52] <new2ubuntu> hello, hope someone can point me in the right direction. is this the place to ask for help with ubuntu?
[21:53] <Beldar> new2ubuntu, What does the channel header say.
[21:54] <jeffrey_f> dimsen: Do you have IPv6 in the apache config??  http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ipv6-apache-configuration-tutorial/
[21:54] <new2ubuntu> I'm actually not sure. Where is the channel header?
[21:54] <Beldar> first lines on your irc client
[21:54] <k1l_> new2ubuntu: type "/topic" in here
[21:54] <Beldar> new2ubuntu, Topic for #ubuntu is: Official Ubuntu Support Channel
[21:55] <new2ubuntu> Ok great. I have three older netbooks, all aspire one's. what is the best image to use for installation and where can i get it? I've read jaunty but I can't seem to find that.
[21:56] <k1l_> new2ubuntu: jaunty is long time outdated
[21:56] <k1l_> new2ubuntu: i would suggest you try Lubuntu since its lightweight desktop for the low power netbooks
[21:56] <k1l_> !lubuntu | new2ubuntu
[21:56] <new2ubuntu> so.. what image should i use? i need a reliable, easy to use setup that will be used by young kids
[21:57] <dimsen> @ jeffrey_f so I did not configured that in apache .. i've read that when apache has no special config for ipv6 or ipv4 .. it'll allow connection from both ipv6 & ipv4 .. ive just configured port 80 and port 443
[21:58] <Beldar> new2ubuntu, All those requests are really opinion based, try precise a longterm release and see if it suits your needs.
[21:58] <new2ubuntu> ok thanks a lot. looking at lubuntu now.. i'll just try it, thanks
[21:59] <jeffrey_f> dimsen: apache listens on an IP address and port.  This is ALL in the apache config.  If IPv6 isn't part of the config, IPv6 requests are ignored.
[22:01] <dimsen> @ jeffrey_f OK.. but that would be a problem. So my IP Adress will change everytime my router is going down for updates .. or other things like that ..
[22:03] <dimsen> @ jeffrey_f or would it be enought when i configure apache to listen to the LinkLocal IP that is assigned to the MacAdress ?? fe80 ... ??
[22:07] <phil-ns> dimsen: why not statically assign an ip to your box that is outside the dhcp scope of your router, and have your router route port 80 to that static ip?
[22:08] <idaniel> guys, I don't know where to go to find help with mods for minecraft on Ubuntu 12.04
[22:08] <k1l_> idaniel: ask in a minecraft channel? :)
[22:08] <dimsen> because i dont have a static IP ..
[22:09] <idaniel> I'll try again, but I was on one and nobody was answering. I'll check again
[22:09] <dimsen> @ phil-ns because i dont have a static IP
[22:09] <phil-ns> dimsen: dyndns ?
[22:09] <dimsen> Yes ..
[22:09] <dimsen> when you type ping cloud.dimsen.de ..
[22:09] <dimsen> you will directly connected via dyndns to my server ..
[22:10] <phil-ns> dimsen: does your router not have the ability to monitor/manage dyndns?
[22:10] <dimsen> but ping6 cloud.dimsen.de doesnt work
[22:10] <pavel_> hola
[22:10] <qin> dimsen: if you change ip (if not too often) overwrite config with new ip and restart apache.
[22:11] <mikubuntu> anybody know where a vibrant knoppix channel might exist? i am having trouble with installing knoppix's 'adriane' os for the blind for my blind friend. any moderator familiar that would be willing to help?
[22:11] <dimsen> My Router is FRITZ!Box 6360
[22:11] <pavel_> solamente hablo, pienso y escribo en español...  que tal a todos...
[22:11] <misdirect> hi, what software would you suggest to create a table similar to this http://www.workhealth.org/strain/jsdef2.jpg ?
[22:11] <phil-ns> but your router is giving a local subnet address to the apacher server, as long as your router is passing port 80 to it, I don't see the problem.
[22:14] <qin> phil-ns: right, I missed something
[22:14] <jhutchins>  dimsen WHat about regular ping?
[22:15] <phil-ns> dimsen: dyndns is handling the outside world getting to your router, your router is passing port 80 to the box running your apache server...we cool with that so far?
[22:15] <dimsen> @ jhutchins regular ping works like a charm ..
[22:15] <jhutchins> dimsen: Chances of a home router or an ISP correctly handling ipv6 are very slim.
[22:15] <phil-ns> you could mod your router with openwrt, or maybe even dd-wrt and it would handle ipv6
[22:15] <phil-ns> of course, your isp has to be passing it along as well.
[22:17] <AnonymoRefuge> hello, i have just dowloaded Ubuntu, and i was wondering, do i have to use an iso program to open it?
[22:17] <dimsen> @ phil-ns yes I got it .. and connecting my server was pretty fast before IPv6 .. so it seems like my router doesnt allow incomming connections and also doesnt forward them to port 80 / 443 on my apache ..
[22:18] <bekks> AnonymoRefuge: you have to use a dvd burning program to burn the iso to a dvd or you can create a bootable usb thumb drive using unetbootin, e.g.
[22:18] <phil-ns> dimsen: what you need is to change the routers dhcp scope, only allow it to hand out address in the range, hmm, lets say 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.100. And then, set your apache box to a static ip address of 192.168.1.200
[22:18] <phil-ns> dimsen: you'll have to adjust for your subnet, the 192.168.x. part...it may not be 1
[22:19] <phil-ns> dimsen: and then get into your routers port forwarding section, and forward port 80 to 192.168.1.200
[22:19] <ralle> Can someone help? How to set MTU for VPN (temporary ppp0-network device) permanently?
[22:19] <ralle> i think there must be some script which is being executed on ppp up?
[22:19] <phil-ns> dimsen: and while you're there, check to see if your router can manage the dyndns, most modern routers do.
[22:20] <Akiva-Mobile> Strange question, but seeing I am using an ubuntu font, when it comes to formatting basic letter documents, does Ubuntu or Canonical adhere to a certain guideline?
[22:20] <dimsen> @ phil-ns: Ohh i allready did this .. the ipv4 scope in my router is from 172.10.10.100 - 172.10.10.150 the IP ive assigned to my server ist 172.10.10.150 ..
[22:21] <mikubuntu> anybody know where a vibrant knoppix channel might exist? i am having trouble with installing knoppix's 'adriane' os for the blind for my blind friend. any moderator familiar that would be willing to help?
[22:22] <dimsen> @ phil-ns also my router handels PortForwarding very well ..
[22:22] <AnonymoRefuge> bekks: Okay thanks
[22:22] <Sabbie> I have a node with a pretty high load (around 6). I've shutdown almost all the processes, but the load persists. Does anyone know what could be the cause?
[22:22] <bekks> 6 isnt a high load, nowadays.
[22:23] <bekks> Sabbie: Just take a look at top whats causing the load.
[22:23] <Akiva-Mobile> Akiva-Mobile: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide << guess I found it.
[22:23] <Sabbie> bekks: this node has a brother which is now in production, it has a load of less than 1
[22:23] <Sabbie> bekks: I did, there is nothing causing load. In fact, I've killed everything except the neccesary system processes, but the load persists.
[22:24] <bekks> Sabbie: And still, 6 isnt a large load. It just says: "when having only one core, there are 6 processes in the queue to be processed." I bet you have more than one core.
[22:24] <bekks> Sabbie: Can you pastebin the output of "ps -ef" please?
[22:25] <Sabbie> bekks, it has 16 cores. It used to have no load. We just took it out of production and an identical node is now in production with a load of 1.
[22:25] <Sabbie> bekks: will do, one sec
[22:26] <Sabbie> http://pastebin.com/hTxRT67S
[22:27] <bekks> Sabbie: And can you pastebin "ps aux" too, please?
[22:28] <Sabbie> bekks: http://pastebin.com/KxNNBWax
[22:31] <brianboza> Hola
[22:31] <brianboza> sdc
[22:31] <brianboza> xc
[22:31] <pavel_> hola
[22:32] <pavel_> hola brianboza
[22:36] <pavel_> que tal AndresSM
[22:37] <k1l_> !spanish | pavel_
[22:38] <Sabbie> bekks: any idaes? Or should I just reboot the node..
[22:38] <bekks> Sabbie: did you check swap usage?
[22:39] <bekks> Sabbie: Did you check I/O, using sar?
[22:39] <Sabbie> bekks: I've disabled swap
[22:39] <bekks> or iostat, or vmstat?
[22:39] <Sabbie> I checked i/o with iotop, no i/o at all
[22:39] <bekks> I'd not rely on iotop at that point.
[22:39] <bekks> Its a pythong script, doing weird stuff basically :)
[22:40] <jack> Hello world
[22:40] <Guest45038> Hello world
[22:40] <Sabbie> ah ok :)
[22:40] <Guest45038> Sabbie: Hellop
[22:40] <Sabbie> so looking at iostat, what am I looking for? I have 94.27% idle
[22:41] <bekks> Sabbie: what about iowait?
[22:41] <Sabbie> 0.41%
[22:42] <bekks> Sabbie: Can you pastebin "iostat -x" please?
[22:42] <Sabbie> http://pastebin.com/30DCByg3
[22:42] <Balzy> hello! just a quick question: does modprobe loads a module for the running session? If I reboot it won't be reloaded, right?
[22:43] <bekks> Sabbie: Which Ubuntu is that? And did you check the drbd connection?
[22:44] <linus> i followed this tutorial , http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/  ,up to step 3 where i get different options than the listed.what went wrong?
[22:44] <Sabbie> bekks: it's 10.04, we have drbd offline right now
[22:44] <Sabbie> that is, it is in unconfigured state
[22:45] <Sabbie> bekks: iostat -x 1 has everything at 0
[22:49] <Sabbie> btw Balzy: you're correct, modprobe loads a module into the running kernel and after reboot it will not be loaded
[22:49] <Sabbie> Balzy: to have it load after a reboot, add the module to /etc/modules
[22:50] <linus> i followed this tutorial , http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/  ,up to step 3 where i get different options than the listed.what went wrong?
[22:51] <Akiva-Mobile> http://design.canonical.com/brand/B.%20Complete%20Ubuntu%20brand%20guide%20-%20November%202010.pdf  <<  Am I free to copy the formatting used in this? I really like the ubuntu aesthetic, and want to apply it to some of my business documentation.
[22:51] <Sabbie> linus: you're probably running a different operating system than the one pictured in the tutorial
[22:52] <linus> i run ubuntu 13.10
[22:52] <jiffe> so I've used ufw to add a deny entry on line 1 and it doesn't seem to be working
[22:52] <Sabbie> bekks: don't mean to pressure you, but do you have anymore ideas?
[22:53] <k1l_> linus: what is your exact problem there?
[22:53] <linus> i dont get the'run in terminal'option
[22:54] <bekks> Sabbie: I am sorry, I have no further ideas.
[22:55] <Sabbie> bekks: no problem man, thanks a lot for the help anyway.
[22:55] <mdrska80_> linus open normal terminal, go to location and run it
[22:56] <mdrska80_> ctrl shift t....etc
[22:56] <k1l_> linus: yes, easiest and fastest way is to run it from terminal
[22:56] <linus> what should i type?
[22:57] <mdrska80_> cd to location of tht sh
[22:57] <mdrska80_> that sh......
[22:57] <mdrska80_> sorry for my bad keyboaard (a is problem)
[22:59] <linus> mdrska80_, install-depot-multisystem.sh: command not found
[22:59] <k1l_> linus: open a terminal, cd Downloads, chmod +x file, .file
[22:59] <sideup66> can i get some help with a machine running ubuntu 13.10 i believe, im trying to get the gallium radeon rs880 driver to output video through hdmi
[23:00] <sideup66> which it does not seem to do by default
[23:00] <Immatix> If MOTU is responsible for keeping Universe and Multiverse components of the Ubuntu repositories together, does anyone know who to complain to about a package being horribly out of date, including no security patches?
[23:00] <mdrska80_> linus do as k1l_ said
[23:01] <k1l_> Immatix: i would suggest to file a bug
[23:02] <sideup66> i need the hdmi video out
[23:02] <sideup66> how do you set it
[23:02] <sideup66> to output i mean
[23:05] <sideup66> ok nevermind
[23:05] <sideup66> got video working, now how do you set sound to play through
[23:05] <Immatix> k1l_: I'll try that I suppose, hopefully it doesn't fall on deaf ears like other bug reports for this package
[23:08] <sideup66> actually got it, sorry to bother folks
[23:28] <AgusS_ARG> goood night
[23:32] <Immatix> hopefully that will take care of the problem at some point
[23:47] <juzemack> hhhhtgfy
[23:48] <Jacy> would anyone here happen to be able to help me figure out how to set up a three-way boot between windows 7, Ubuntu 13.10, and Kali Linux?
[23:48] <kalekip1> Does anybody know how I can make my terminal transparent?
[23:50] <quadHelix> kalekip1 Edit>Profiles.  make it transparent
[23:50] <kalekip1> quadHelix: I can't access it. It's disabled :/
[23:52] <quadHelix> kalekip1, not sure why that would be....  Info here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/74114/how-to-make-terminal-semi-transparent
[23:55] <kalekip1> quadHelix: The funny thing is that I just stumbled on that there.
[23:55] <kalekip1> But again, I can't access it.
[23:55] <kalekip1> It's disabled for some reason :/
[23:55] <kalekip1> Right clicking worked, but I don't have the "background" tab
[23:55] <kalekip1> I'm on 13.10
[23:56] <DF3D2> !khash 3500
[23:56] <DF3D2> lol wrong chan
[23:57] <kalekip1> OK, I give up. It's late. I will look tomorrow. Ty anyways
[23:59] <quadHelix> 420200189412315903918001407582