brainwash | too bad | 00:03 |
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brainwash | isn't he the original author of the greeter? | 00:03 |
ochosi | (this is as far as i know) | 00:03 |
ochosi | yeah, but he only authored it as a reference implementation | 00:04 |
ochosi | it was never meant to stick around for so long | 00:04 |
Noskcaj | bluesabre-laptop, Can you help me with an FTBFS? | 00:04 |
Noskcaj | in menulibre | 00:04 |
bluesabre-laptop | Noskcaj: what's up? | 00:04 |
Noskcaj | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6788413/ | 00:05 |
brainwash | ochosi: that reminds me that we need to check how unity-greeter loads the gtk3 indicators now, lightdm-gtk-greeter isn't able to anymore | 00:05 |
Noskcaj | Current build-deps are debhelper, python3, distutils-extra, libgnome-menu-3-dev, python-gi-dev | 00:06 |
ochosi | brainwash: yeah, we're about to do a dev-release of the greeter, so it could go in the next release. feel free to investigate how it's done, it's currently really low on my todo-list | 00:07 |
bluesabre-laptop | unicode will be the death of me | 00:08 |
Noskcaj | bluesabre-laptop, It only occurs in a clean schroot, so i'm having a lot of trouble debugging | 00:08 |
bluesabre-laptop | I have no idea what could be causing that | 00:10 |
ali1234 | ochosi: currently there is no right way to do it, as with the desktop session itself | 00:11 |
ochosi | ali1234: what is that re: to? logind and the powermenu stuff in the greeter? | 00:12 |
bluesabre-laptop | probably indicators | 00:12 |
ochosi | ah | 00:12 |
ochosi | :) | 00:12 |
bluesabre-laptop | but maybe not ;) | 00:12 |
ochosi | sorry, i was looking at the logind stuff here so i naturally associated the comment with what *i* was doing :> | 00:12 |
bluesabre-laptop | Noskcaj: building in saucy or trusty? | 00:12 |
Noskcaj | bluesabre-laptop, The .desktop should say encoding="UTF-8" i think | 00:13 |
Noskcaj | trusty pbuilder-dist | 00:13 |
Noskcaj | Just let me try a quick rules hack, might fix it | 00:13 |
bluesabre-laptop | ok | 00:13 |
brainwash | ali1234: but unity-greeter does it | 00:13 |
Noskcaj | That's fixed it. | 00:15 |
Noskcaj | one other thing, in the manpage, BUGS is meant to be where you file bugs | 00:17 |
ali1234 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-greeter-team/unity-greeter/trunk/revision/1014 | 00:18 |
brainwash | ali1234: nice | 00:19 |
brainwash | so it should be fixable in gtk greeter too | 00:20 |
Unit193 | bluesabre-laptop: Since you have a meta proposal already in, do you want to remove gnome-time-admin too or should I create another? | 00:25 |
bluesabre-laptop | Unit193: go ahead and create another if you don't mind | 00:26 |
bluesabre-laptop | Noskcaj: I got that idea from another package I saw, lol | 00:27 |
Noskcaj | :) | 00:27 |
Noskcaj | Now we just need to find a DD, something that is nearly impossible. | 00:27 |
bluesabre-laptop | if the build works, would you mind pushing it to the PPA? | 00:30 |
bluesabre-laptop | ochosi and I can try to convince Corsac to help it along into debian | 00:30 |
Noskcaj | bluesabre-laptop, If you get a reply from corsac, you're doing better than me | 00:31 |
bluesabre-laptop | we've got some other projects that corsac is interested in, so it makes it easier to mention it | 00:31 |
Noskcaj | Just get corsac to sponsor gthumb (from collab-maint) and embed-plugin (pkg-xfce) too | 00:34 |
Noskcaj | Which of the two PPAs should it go in? | 00:40 |
bluesabre-laptop | Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/+archive/devel | 00:40 |
bluesabre-laptop | Gotta run, bbl | 00:40 |
Noskcaj | stable? | 00:40 |
Noskcaj | uploading now | 00:41 |
bluesabre-laptop | yeah, stable has the wrong url name :) | 00:41 |
Noskcaj | ok, bye | 00:41 |
bluesabre-laptop | thanks Noskcaj, have a great evening! | 00:41 |
bluesabre-laptop | or morning | 00:41 |
bluesabre-laptop | wherever you are :) | 00:41 |
Noskcaj | still morning | 00:41 |
Noskcaj | :) | 00:41 |
bluesabre | Noskcaj: looks like it worked, thanks! | 02:59 |
bluesabre | elfy, trusty packages are available at https://launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/+archive/devel | 02:59 |
bluesabre | everyone, please test ^! | 03:00 |
bluesabre | + forestpiskie | 03:00 |
bluesabre | I'll do a proper release announcement tonight/tomorrow | 03:03 |
pleia2 | bah, still no alpha builds, I had hoped to get some testing in today before work again tomorrow | 03:25 |
Unit193 | Could still do menulibre or if light-locker needs it, but aye. | 03:31 |
bluesabre | lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.7.1 released, https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/1.7/1.7.1 | 03:38 |
bluesabre | will also do a proper release announcement of that soon | 03:39 |
bluesabre | heading to bed, be back tomorrow | 03:39 |
Unit193 | 'Night. | 03:39 |
Noskcaj | Unit193, g-s-t is merged | 06:28 |
Unit193 | micahg: Nothing urgent, but preferred before release: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-seeds/small-fixes/+merge/202401 | 06:36 |
Noskcaj | Menulibre uploaded | 07:34 |
slickymaster | morning all | 10:19 |
Unit193 | slickymaster: "This documentation provides documentation to the most common issues with Xubuntu, including:" seem like normal language to you? | 10:20 |
slickymaster | Unit193: well, no | 10:22 |
slickymaster | the anaphora used seems a little forced | 10:22 |
Unit193 | 0,/documentation/s@documentation@document@ ? | 10:22 |
slickymaster | Unit193: ?! | 10:23 |
Unit193 | Right, I shouldn't think in terms of sed. This document provides documentation for the most common | 10:23 |
slickymaster | yes, but even linguistically I think that string/sentence could/should be improved | 10:24 |
knome | too many slashes, i'm off | 10:26 |
knome | bbl | 10:26 |
Unit193 | Great, you broke knome. | 10:27 |
slickymaster | let's us hope he'll manage to glue himself | 10:28 |
slickymaster | bluesabre: yeah, I saw the logs and what you said, so I'll remove that item from the http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs:installation-preferences section | 10:38 |
slickymaster | bluesabre: on a completely different note, can you please provide a pt_PT pot file in https://translations.launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0 so it can be translatable into Portuguese? | 10:39 |
ali1234 | Unit193: "This document describes the most common issue with Xubuntu" | 10:59 |
Unit193 | Quite so. | 11:00 |
Unit193 | But to me that (and the orig) indicate it's workarounds and common problems, when it appears to be more generally a user guide. | 11:01 |
ali1234 | well i can't see the rest of the document in question... | 11:03 |
ali1234 | fixing the grammar is one thing, but if it's just flat out wrong that's totally different | 11:03 |
slickymaster | Unit193, ali1234, a possible solution could be "This documentation provides information to the most common issues with Xubuntu, including:" | 11:08 |
brainwash | ochosi: got a diff for the top panel 1px removal? | 11:10 |
Unit193 | http://docs.xubuntu.org/1310/ | 11:10 |
Unit193 | What Alister said works. | 11:11 |
slickymaster | Unit193: I still think that that string should be reworded | 11:12 |
bluesabre | slickymaster: https://translations.launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0/+pots/menulibre/pt_PT/+translate | 11:15 |
bluesabre | :) | 11:15 |
slickymaster | bluesabre: thanks, I'll start working on that as soon as I'm able to | 11:15 |
bluesabre | thanks | 11:15 |
bluesabre | if you have any questions, let me know | 11:16 |
slickymaster | will do, thanks | 11:16 |
slickymaster | bbl -> | 12:16 |
ochosi | brainwash: in case you're using the light-lock branch of greybird, add "border-width: 0;" to #panel_window | 13:02 |
brainwash | ochosi: does not seem to work here | 13:55 |
brainwash | ochosi: setting pedding-right to 0 in .menubar removes the 1px | 14:10 |
brainwash | but breaks the layout | 14:10 |
brainwash | uhm, bug 1271169 | 14:12 |
ubottu | bug 1271169 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) " Let Xubuntu users disable/enable hibernation from Xfce Power Manager" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271169 | 14:12 |
micahg | Unit193: I'll review after alpha2 | 14:36 |
jjfrv8 | elfy, or anyone, is there an easy way to see the bugs that have previously been reported against the trusty iso's? | 14:53 |
jjfrv8 | every time we get a new milestone, they seem to get cleared out | 14:53 |
jjfrv8 | and you can't even see them if you go back to an archived version | 14:54 |
slickymaster | jjfrv8: see these: http://bit.ly/18o24DO and http://bit.ly/18bwkqM | 14:59 |
brainwash | jjfrv8: "Abiword top ruler hidden by gray area on first open" it's now a white area on my system :) | 15:02 |
jjfrv8 | slickymaster, thanks, but that list doesn't seem to be complete and it includes post-install stuff | 15:03 |
ochosi | brainwash: not sure you noticed, but i did include a patch in the 1.7.1 to query the policies for the powermenu on the fly... | 15:05 |
brainwash | the debian patch? | 15:06 |
brainwash | ah, very similar | 15:07 |
ochosi | no, that was silly | 15:07 |
ochosi | i rewrote it | 15:07 |
brainwash | awesome | 15:07 |
ochosi | well, we'll see what issues are left with that "solution" | 15:07 |
jjfrv8 | brainwash, still gray on mine: http://imagebin.org/287977 | 15:08 |
ochosi | what convinced me in the end was your scenario, where you'd leave the greeter open and go to a tty, e.g. VT1 and log in | 15:08 |
brainwash | :) | 15:08 |
ochosi | at least that should be handled now | 15:08 |
ochosi | some of the other problems might remain, but i mentioned them in the bugreport, so... | 15:09 |
brainwash | jjfrv8: so a recent greybird change turned the grey area into a white one | 15:09 |
ochosi | don't think there were any really relevant greybird changes | 15:09 |
ochosi | but then again, i have no clue what dark magic abiword uses for its UI | 15:09 |
ochosi | (and i don't want to know anymore, too many hours wasted on that already) | 15:10 |
brainwash | sadly it does not look there will a fix anytime soon | 15:10 |
ochosi | brainwash: wrt indicators, one reason why they're so low on my list is the fact that last time i tried them in the greeter, there were several issues, e.g. you could open gmusicbrowser via the sound-indicator or other gnome settings apps (if installed) from the datetime indicator etc. | 15:10 |
brainwash | this time it's a gtk 3.10 issue, not theme related | 15:10 |
brainwash | before one could fix that, he would need to study the code of unity-greeter | 15:11 |
ochosi | well again, i can tell you they have gnome-settings-daemon to handle most of what we lack | 15:12 |
ochosi | bbl | 15:12 |
brainwash | ochosi: what about the the 1px in the greeter top panel? any ideas why border-width does not do anything | 15:13 |
brainwash | well, I'll test greeter 1.7.1 in the meantime | 15:15 |
brainwash | ochosi: http://lpaste.net/98855 light-lock branch, this eliminates the 1px | 15:35 |
brainwash | not sure how to remove the copied properties and only set the padding one without breaking it | 15:37 |
brainwash | power menu fix works fine :) | 15:41 |
ochosi | brainwash: strange, my patch works here. i'll do this properly once i got trusty next week | 16:09 |
brainwash | ochosi: so trusty seems to break more things than expected | 16:10 |
ochosi | well, gtk3.10 was a late decision | 16:11 |
ochosi | so yeah, i'm not surprised there are issues we couldn't foresee | 16:11 |
ochosi | but this is a lot less worse than the theming issues we had in previous gtk3 upgrades | 16:11 |
ochosi | (sometimes meant that themes had to be rewritten, and with 5 of them, that's not too much fun) | 16:12 |
brainwash | ah right, do you keep track of the changes which maybe need to be applied to all shimmer themes? | 16:13 |
brainwash | like the sound menu play menu highlight | 16:13 |
ochosi | there aren't that many | 16:13 |
ochosi | but yeah, i *try* to | 16:13 |
brainwash | ok :) | 16:14 |
elfy | jjfrv8: not sure what's up with that bug list tbh - but I tend to look at the reports so have half an idea | 16:36 |
elfy | lp isn't very user friendly for searching | 16:39 |
ochosi | i tend to use google as a wrapper | 16:42 |
ochosi | but that also doesn't always make it easy-peasy | 16:42 |
elfy | nope | 16:42 |
elfy | I find the best way to just keep reporting bugs - the people sorting it out must have some way of finding out | 16:43 |
elfy | /bad elfy | 16:43 |
ochosi | huhu | 16:45 |
jjfrv8 | elfy, thanks. I did see that some previously reported bugs still show in the dailies, I didn't look there before. I just looked at alpha1. | 16:53 |
elfy | jjfrv8: I'm pretty sure that all the previous important bugs are still there - but not necessarily Xubuntu ones | 16:54 |
elfy | the only that's gone is our session one | 16:54 |
jjfrv8 | my 386 test install in VBox did not restart at the 'press enter' prompt and I could have sworn I had seen a report of that before | 16:55 |
jjfrv8 | but couldn't find it when I searched. | 16:55 |
elfy | jjfrv8: there is a BIG list - not launchpad but tracker | 16:55 |
elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects | 16:56 |
jjfrv8 | ah, okay, I'll check that out. | 16:56 |
elfy | no gui for us to deal with users now then | 17:20 |
elfy | knome: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1628/info | 18:11 |
elfy | which is a mandatory test - I've no partitions/no other internet/no usb's - do I then fail it ... | 18:12 |
elfy | or bug 1271267 | 18:12 |
ubottu | bug 1271267 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "1628 - Xubuntu Post Install testcase" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271267 | 18:12 |
elfy | slickymaster: perhaps better in here | 18:20 |
elfy | Other applications that retrieve user information from /etc/passwd will also be updated (including Abiword and Gnumeric) | 18:20 |
slickymaster | yes, that's referenced in the Face-Page | 18:21 |
slickymaster | elfy: were you asking? | 18:21 |
elfy | gissa chance - thinking on the fly :p | 18:22 |
elfy | perhaps "Other applications retrieving user information from /etc/passwd will be supported following future updates" | 18:22 |
slickymaster | elfy: good point | 18:23 |
elfy | Mugshot is a lightweight, easy-to-use user configuration utility. | 18:23 |
slickymaster | bluesabre-laptop: ^^^ I do agree with elfy's suggestion. What do you think? | 18:23 |
elfy | does it need to be lightweight and easy to use - doesn't one sort of point to the other anyway? | 18:23 |
slickymaster | lol, that's why I've asked you | 18:24 |
slickymaster | you're native to the language | 18:24 |
elfy | sorry that - wasn't a question but a comment :p | 18:24 |
elfy | I'd do one or the other personally | 18:25 |
elfy | Mugshot is a lightweight (or (easy-to-use user)) configuration utility. | 18:25 |
slickymaster | elfy: well, technically being lightweight refers to the fact that it isn't a heavy on the system application | 18:25 |
slickymaster | the easy-to-use, speaks for itself | 18:26 |
elfy | technically - but reading a manual wise - is it necessary is what I'm saying | 18:26 |
elfy | and should a user manual be concerned with how heavy something is on the system | 18:27 |
slickymaster | elfy: maybe I'm seeing it too much as a brochure | 18:27 |
elfy | :) | 18:27 |
slickymaster | even though that's just a sort of a introduction paragraph | 18:28 |
slickymaster | the manual per si is in the following links | 18:29 |
elfy | Mugshot is a lightweight user configuration utility. Mugshot allows you to easily set profile image and user details for your user profile and any supported applications. | 18:29 |
slickymaster | elfy: I like it. If bluesabre-laptop won't object, I'll use your description instead of mine | 18:30 |
elfy | slickymaster: you only want me to look at the front page? | 18:33 |
slickymaster | no, by all means, browse the links | 18:34 |
elfy | okey doke | 18:34 |
slickymaster | only the http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs:usage isn't finished yet | 18:34 |
elfy | though I'm only reading - not physically checking | 18:34 |
slickymaster | well, I've checked the links, and they're all pointing to the right page | 18:35 |
elfy | that's a good start - I'm looking while sorting little one | 18:36 |
slickymaster | elfy: np. I also have to go now. will be back after dinner | 18:37 |
slickymaster | -> | 18:39 |
brainwash | ochosi: http://lpaste.net/98905 - clear message box after user selection change | 18:52 |
Noskcaj | bluesabre, Menulibre is uploaded, is the license meant to be GPL3 or GPL3+ though? | 19:03 |
Noskcaj | ochosi, When do you think panel or the required garcon version will be out? | 21:32 |
ochosi | brainwash: looks sane, how do i reproduce the related bug? | 22:28 |
ochosi | Noskcaj: it's guesswork, i think nick is busy and consolidating all the panel-changes take time, i'm not sure. it could happen anytime (same as happened with the andrzejr/wrapper3 branch merge...) | 22:29 |
Noskcaj | ok | 22:30 |
ochosi | sorry i can't give you a more optimistic outlook | 22:32 |
ochosi | my approach would be: package a git-snapshot now and update it as soon as we get a release | 22:32 |
ochosi | we *need* this stuff in 14.04 | 22:32 |
Noskcaj | ok. | 22:32 |
ochosi | we can update it in the backports, but not having it at all because there's no release reproduces the saucy problems | 22:32 |
Noskcaj | I'll prepare it today | 22:33 |
Noskcaj | Do we know of anyone with a xubuntu precise install? Needed for the xfce4-weather-plugin SRU to precise | 22:34 |
ochosi | hmp, sry, i'll only even get trusty in a week | 22:34 |
ochosi | no hdd-space to install precise (as ridiculous as that sounds) | 22:34 |
Noskcaj | ok | 22:35 |
ochosi | maybe that's ^ something we should use project funds for | 22:35 |
ochosi | get devs proper hardware... | 22:35 |
Noskcaj | I'd have a precise VM when the parts get un-lost | 22:35 |
Noskcaj | for now, we just need to prepare a big SRU call for testing when i finish a few others (power manager, other weather fixes) | 22:36 |
knome | SRU for 13.10 | 22:36 |
knome | ? | 22:36 |
knome | oh, 12.04 | 22:37 |
knome | the last SRU is on feb 6th though | 22:37 |
Noskcaj | knome, various releases | 22:38 |
knome | not sure 13.10 is worth it, people using it should upgrade to 14.04 at latest on july anyway | 22:40 |
slickymaster | night all | 22:42 |
ochosi | yeah, let's focus on 14.04 | 22:42 |
ochosi | frankly, the fact that ali1234 resolved the most prominent 13.10 bug deserves lots of applaud (and more), but we should really look ahead now | 22:42 |
knome | (one of the benefits for the shorter support cycle for regular releases is not having to SRU loads of stuff) | 22:44 |
ochosi | (+1) | 22:44 |
Noskcaj | What's garcon need to make the gtk-doc documentation? | 23:02 |
ochosi | sry, neither a packing expert nor gtk-doc (in fact we're still having problems with that in parole...) | 23:05 |
Noskcaj | I guess garcon get's to miss it's gtk-doc till a full release. I think it's something from git | 23:07 |
brainwash | ochosi: simply login or unlock with an invalid password, the message box will appear "invalid blabla", now switch the user | 23:12 |
ochosi | brainwash: ok, will test, thanks | 23:12 |
ochosi | ok, i can confirm the bug | 23:12 |
brainwash | ochosi: switching the user should remove the message box, because the message was addressing the previous failed login | 23:13 |
brainwash | :) | 23:13 |
ochosi | yu | 23:14 |
ochosi | yup | 23:14 |
brainwash | ochosi: so what is the deal with the light-lock branch? | 23:16 |
ochosi | brainwash: it's a proposal by satya for a new greeter-theme for greybird | 23:16 |
brainwash | it looks fancy, elementary-os-ish | 23:16 |
ochosi | yeah, too much eOS | 23:17 |
ochosi | a bit rip-offy imo :) | 23:17 |
brainwash | the white login box looks more friendly than the current dark one | 23:17 |
brainwash | and I like the transparent top panel | 23:17 |
ochosi | yeah, i agree with that to some extent | 23:17 |
ochosi | knome thinks it breaks consistency with the rest of the desktop theme | 23:18 |
ochosi | i agree to some extent, i guess at least the logout dialog would have to be recolored | 23:18 |
brainwash | ah, I also removed the blue xubuntu background from the plymouth theme, now it's a black background + white logo | 23:19 |
brainwash | I like it, might look a bit like win xp | 23:19 |
bluesabre-laptop | elfy, slickymaster: works for me | 23:21 |
brainwash | but I support the idea of making the login/logout screen a bit more brighter | 23:21 |
bluesabre-laptop | Noskcaj: I suppose GPL-3 for now | 23:21 |
bluesabre-laptop | Noskcaj: I think gtk-doc-tools is all | 23:21 |
bluesabre-laptop | I got it to build once | 23:21 |
Noskcaj | ok | 23:21 |
bluesabre-laptop | http://docs.smdavis.us/garcon/ | 23:21 |
Noskcaj | The docs work fine in full releases | 23:22 |
Noskcaj | just not the git snapshot | 23:22 |
bluesabre-laptop | ah | 23:22 |
Noskcaj | And i'll go change the debian/copyright now | 23:22 |
ochosi | brainwash: thanks for the patch, tested and pushed it | 23:24 |
Unit193 | brainwash: For smooth transition, ochosi kindly updated the accountsservice patch in xfdesktop so that it'd only pull from the first desktop (the one xfdesktop will go to upon login.) | 23:27 |
ochosi | also, Noskcaj ^ | 23:27 |
ochosi | you probably wanna update my previous patch with the additional line... | 23:27 |
Unit193 | https://unit193.net/debian/saucy/xfdesktop4-data_4.11.2-2.1_all.deb - https://unit193.net/debian/saucy/xfdesktop4_4.11.2-2.1_amd64.deb or I can link to the dsc. :P | 23:28 |
Noskcaj | ochosi, Let me finish the power manager SRU paperwork and i'll do that | 23:28 |
Noskcaj | dsc please | 23:28 |
ochosi | sure, thanks Noskcaj! | 23:28 |
ochosi | Unit193: i presume you can link the dsc? :} | 23:29 |
Unit193 | -2.1.dsc | 23:29 |
ochosi | cool ty | 23:29 |
knome | Unit193, that link to the dsc is not working for me | 23:29 |
* knome hides | 23:29 | |
Unit193 | knome: Klik faster! | 23:29 |
* Unit193 thinks ochosi doesn't know what to do with a dsc, so opens it in browser. | 23:31 | |
ochosi | Unit193: yup, that's what i've set exo-open to do | 23:32 |
Unit193 | ochosi: dget http://foo.bar/mekofoomfoomfally.dsc | 23:32 |
knome | back tomorrow -> | 23:33 |
brainwash | Unit193: sounds great, so now we only need a working patch for the theme issue | 23:38 |
brainwash | but that makes me wonder, why does xfsettingsd take so much time to be ready on session start? | 23:41 |
Noskcaj | bug 1222021 is now ready for an upload | 23:50 |
ubottu | bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu Saucy) "[SRU] xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 | 23:50 |
Noskcaj | *cough* micahg *cough* | 23:50 |
Unit193 | knome: Did you see, or were you interested in the es xubuntu-docs strings that make index not validate? | 23:52 |
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