[00:03] <brainwash> too bad
[00:03] <brainwash> isn't he the original author of the greeter?
[00:03] <ochosi> (this is as far as i know)
[00:04] <ochosi> yeah, but he only authored it as a reference implementation
[00:04] <ochosi> it was never meant to stick around for so long
[00:04] <Noskcaj> bluesabre-laptop, Can you help me with an FTBFS?
[00:04] <Noskcaj> in menulibre
[00:04] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: what's up?
[00:05] <Noskcaj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6788413/
[00:05] <brainwash> ochosi: that reminds me that we need to check how unity-greeter loads the gtk3 indicators now, lightdm-gtk-greeter isn't able to anymore
[00:06] <Noskcaj> Current build-deps are debhelper, python3, distutils-extra, libgnome-menu-3-dev, python-gi-dev
[00:07] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, we're about to do a dev-release of the greeter, so it could go in the next release. feel free to investigate how it's done, it's currently really low on my todo-list
[00:08] <bluesabre-laptop> unicode will be the death of me
[00:08] <Noskcaj> bluesabre-laptop, It only occurs in a clean schroot, so i'm having a lot of trouble debugging
[00:10] <bluesabre-laptop> I have no idea what could be causing that
[00:11] <ali1234> ochosi: currently there is no right way to do it, as with the desktop session itself
[00:12] <ochosi> ali1234: what is that re: to? logind and the powermenu stuff in the greeter?
[00:12] <bluesabre-laptop> probably indicators
[00:12] <ochosi> ah
[00:12] <ochosi> :)
[00:12] <bluesabre-laptop> but maybe not ;)
[00:12] <ochosi> sorry, i was looking at the logind stuff here so i naturally associated the comment with what *i* was doing :>
[00:12] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: building in saucy or trusty?
[00:13] <Noskcaj> bluesabre-laptop, The .desktop should say encoding="UTF-8" i think
[00:13] <Noskcaj> trusty pbuilder-dist
[00:13] <Noskcaj> Just let me try a quick rules hack, might fix it
[00:13] <bluesabre-laptop> ok
[00:13] <brainwash> ali1234: but unity-greeter does it
[00:15] <Noskcaj> That's fixed it.
[00:17] <Noskcaj> one other thing, in the manpage, BUGS is meant to be where you file bugs
[00:18] <ali1234> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-greeter-team/unity-greeter/trunk/revision/1014
[00:19] <brainwash> ali1234: nice
[00:20] <brainwash> so it should be fixable in gtk greeter too
[00:25] <Unit193> bluesabre-laptop: Since you have a meta proposal already in, do you want to remove gnome-time-admin too or should I create another?
[00:26] <bluesabre-laptop> Unit193: go ahead and create another if you don't mind
[00:27] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: I got that idea from another package I saw, lol
[00:27] <Noskcaj> :)
[00:27] <Noskcaj> Now we just need to find a DD, something that is nearly impossible.
[00:30] <bluesabre-laptop> if the build works, would you mind pushing it to the PPA?
[00:30] <bluesabre-laptop> ochosi and I can try to convince Corsac to help it along into debian
[00:31] <Noskcaj> bluesabre-laptop, If you get a reply from corsac, you're doing better than me
[00:31] <bluesabre-laptop> we've got some other projects that corsac is interested in, so it makes it easier to mention it
[00:34] <Noskcaj> Just get corsac to sponsor gthumb (from collab-maint) and embed-plugin (pkg-xfce) too
[00:40] <Noskcaj> Which of the two PPAs should it go in?
[00:40] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/+archive/devel
[00:40] <bluesabre-laptop> Gotta run, bbl
[00:40] <Noskcaj> stable?
[00:41] <Noskcaj> uploading now
[00:41] <bluesabre-laptop> yeah, stable has the wrong url name :)
[00:41] <Noskcaj> ok, bye
[00:41] <bluesabre-laptop> thanks Noskcaj, have a great evening!
[00:41] <bluesabre-laptop> or morning
[00:41] <bluesabre-laptop> wherever you are :)
[00:41] <Noskcaj> still morning
[00:41] <Noskcaj> :)
[02:59] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: looks like it worked, thanks!
[02:59] <bluesabre> elfy, trusty packages are available at https://launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/+archive/devel
[03:00] <bluesabre> everyone, please test ^!
[03:00] <bluesabre> + forestpiskie
[03:03] <bluesabre> I'll do a proper release announcement tonight/tomorrow
[03:25] <pleia2> bah, still no alpha builds, I had hoped to get some testing in today before work again tomorrow
[03:31] <Unit193> Could still do menulibre or if light-locker needs it, but aye.
[03:38] <bluesabre> lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.7.1 released, https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/1.7/1.7.1
[03:39] <bluesabre> will also do a proper release announcement of that soon
[03:39] <bluesabre> heading to bed, be back tomorrow
[03:39] <Unit193> 'Night.
[06:28] <Noskcaj> Unit193, g-s-t is merged
[06:36] <Unit193> micahg: Nothing urgent, but preferred before release: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-seeds/small-fixes/+merge/202401
[07:34] <Noskcaj> Menulibre uploaded
[10:19] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:20] <Unit193> slickymaster: "This documentation provides documentation to the most common issues with Xubuntu, including:" seem like normal language to you?
[10:22] <slickymaster> Unit193: well, no
[10:22] <slickymaster> the anaphora used seems a little forced
[10:22] <Unit193> 0,/documentation/s@documentation@document@ ?
[10:23] <slickymaster> Unit193: ?!
[10:23] <Unit193> Right, I shouldn't think in terms of sed.  This document provides documentation for the most common
[10:24] <slickymaster> yes, but even linguistically I think that string/sentence could/should be improved
[10:26] <knome> too many slashes, i'm off
[10:26] <knome> bbl
[10:27] <Unit193> Great, you broke knome.
[10:28] <slickymaster> let's us hope he'll manage to glue himself
[10:38] <slickymaster> bluesabre: yeah, I saw the logs and what you said, so I'll remove that item from the http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs:installation-preferences section
[10:39] <slickymaster> bluesabre: on a completely different note, can you please provide a pt_PT pot file in https://translations.launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0 so it can be translatable into Portuguese? 
[10:59] <ali1234> Unit193: "This document describes the most common issue with Xubuntu"
[11:00] <Unit193> Quite so.
[11:01] <Unit193> But to me that (and the orig) indicate it's workarounds and common problems, when it appears to be more generally a user guide. 
[11:03] <ali1234> well i can't see the rest of the document in question...
[11:03] <ali1234> fixing the grammar is one thing, but if it's just flat out wrong that's totally different
[11:08] <slickymaster>  Unit193, ali1234, a possible solution could be "This documentation provides information to the most common issues with Xubuntu, including:"
[11:10] <brainwash> ochosi: got a diff for the top panel 1px removal?
[11:10] <Unit193> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1310/
[11:11] <Unit193> What Alister said works.
[11:12] <slickymaster> Unit193: I still think that that string should be reworded
[11:15] <bluesabre> slickymaster: https://translations.launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0/+pots/menulibre/pt_PT/+translate
[11:15] <bluesabre> :)
[11:15] <slickymaster> bluesabre: thanks, I'll start working on that as soon as I'm able to
[11:15] <bluesabre> thanks
[11:16] <bluesabre> if you have any questions, let me know
[11:16] <slickymaster> will do, thanks
[12:16] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[13:02] <ochosi> brainwash: in case you're using the light-lock branch of greybird, add "border-width: 0;" to #panel_window
[13:55] <brainwash> ochosi: does not seem to work here
[14:10] <brainwash> ochosi: setting pedding-right to 0 in .menubar removes the 1px
[14:10] <brainwash> but breaks the layout
[14:12] <brainwash> uhm, bug 1271169
[14:36] <micahg> Unit193: I'll review after alpha2
[14:53] <jjfrv8> elfy, or anyone, is there an easy way to see the bugs that have previously been reported against the trusty iso's?
[14:53] <jjfrv8> every time we get a new milestone, they seem to get cleared out
[14:54] <jjfrv8> and you can't even see them if you go back to an archived version
[14:59] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: see these: http://bit.ly/18o24DO and http://bit.ly/18bwkqM
[15:02] <brainwash> jjfrv8: "Abiword top ruler hidden by gray area on first open"  it's now a white area on my system :)
[15:03] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, thanks, but that list doesn't seem to be complete and it includes post-install stuff
[15:05] <ochosi> brainwash: not sure you noticed, but i did include a patch in the 1.7.1 to query the policies for the powermenu on the fly...
[15:06] <brainwash> the debian patch?
[15:07] <brainwash> ah, very similar
[15:07] <ochosi> no, that was silly
[15:07] <ochosi> i rewrote it
[15:07] <brainwash> awesome
[15:07] <ochosi> well, we'll see what issues are left with that "solution"
[15:08] <jjfrv8> brainwash, still gray on mine: http://imagebin.org/287977
[15:08] <ochosi> what convinced me in the end was your scenario, where you'd leave the greeter open and go to a tty, e.g. VT1 and log in
[15:08] <brainwash> :)
[15:08] <ochosi> at least that should be handled now
[15:09] <ochosi> some of the other problems might remain, but i mentioned them in the bugreport, so...
[15:09] <brainwash> jjfrv8: so a recent greybird change turned the grey area into a white one
[15:09] <ochosi> don't think there were any really relevant greybird changes
[15:09] <ochosi> but then again, i have no clue what dark magic abiword uses for its UI
[15:10] <ochosi> (and i don't want to know anymore, too many hours wasted on that already)
[15:10] <brainwash> sadly it does not look there will a fix anytime soon
[15:10] <ochosi> brainwash: wrt indicators, one reason why they're so low on my list is the fact that last time i tried them in the greeter, there were several issues, e.g. you could open gmusicbrowser via the sound-indicator or other gnome settings apps (if installed) from the datetime indicator etc.
[15:10] <brainwash> this time it's a gtk 3.10 issue, not theme related
[15:11] <brainwash> before one could fix that, he would need to study the code of unity-greeter
[15:12] <ochosi> well again, i can tell you they have gnome-settings-daemon to handle most of what we lack
[15:12] <ochosi> bbl
[15:13] <brainwash> ochosi: what about the the 1px in the greeter top panel? any ideas why border-width does not do anything
[15:15] <brainwash> well, I'll test greeter 1.7.1 in the meantime
[15:35] <brainwash> ochosi: http://lpaste.net/98855 light-lock branch, this eliminates the 1px
[15:37] <brainwash> not sure how to remove the copied properties and only set the padding one without breaking it
[15:41] <brainwash> power menu fix works fine :)
[16:09] <ochosi> brainwash: strange, my patch works here. i'll do this properly once i got trusty next week
[16:10] <brainwash> ochosi: so trusty seems to break more things than expected
[16:11] <ochosi> well, gtk3.10 was a late decision
[16:11] <ochosi> so yeah, i'm not surprised there are issues we couldn't foresee
[16:11] <ochosi> but this is a lot less worse than the theming issues we had in previous gtk3 upgrades
[16:12] <ochosi> (sometimes meant that themes had to be rewritten, and with 5 of them, that's not too much fun)
[16:13] <brainwash> ah right, do you keep track of the changes which maybe need to be applied to all shimmer themes?
[16:13] <brainwash> like the sound menu play menu highlight
[16:13] <ochosi> there aren't that many
[16:13] <ochosi> but yeah, i *try* to
[16:14] <brainwash> ok :)
[16:36] <elfy> jjfrv8: not sure what's up with that bug list tbh - but I tend to look at the reports so have half an idea
[16:39] <elfy> lp isn't very user friendly for searching 
[16:42] <ochosi> i tend to use google as a wrapper
[16:42] <ochosi> but that also doesn't always make it easy-peasy
[16:42] <elfy> nope
[16:43] <elfy> I find the best way to just keep reporting bugs - the people sorting it out must have some way of finding out
[16:43] <elfy> /bad elfy
[16:45] <ochosi> huhu
[16:53] <jjfrv8> elfy, thanks. I did see that some previously reported bugs still show in the dailies, I didn't look there before. I just looked at alpha1.
[16:54] <elfy> jjfrv8: I'm pretty sure that all the previous important bugs are still there - but not necessarily Xubuntu ones
[16:54] <elfy> the only that's gone is our session one
[16:55] <jjfrv8> my 386 test install in VBox did not restart at the 'press enter' prompt and I could have sworn I had seen a report of that before
[16:55] <jjfrv8> but couldn't find it when I searched.
[16:55] <elfy> jjfrv8: there is a BIG list - not launchpad but tracker
[16:56] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects
[16:56] <jjfrv8> ah, okay, I'll check that out.
[17:20] <elfy> no gui for us to deal with users now then 
[18:11] <elfy> knome: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1628/info
[18:12] <elfy> which is a mandatory test - I've no partitions/no other internet/no usb's - do I then fail it ... 
[18:12] <elfy> or bug 1271267
[18:20] <elfy> slickymaster: perhaps better in here 
[18:20] <elfy> Other applications that retrieve user information from /etc/passwd will also be updated (including Abiword and Gnumeric)
[18:21] <slickymaster> yes, that's referenced in the Face-Page
[18:21] <slickymaster> elfy: were you asking?
[18:22] <elfy> gissa chance - thinking on the fly :p
[18:22] <elfy> perhaps "Other applications retrieving user information from /etc/passwd will be supported following future updates"
[18:23] <slickymaster> elfy: good point
[18:23] <elfy> Mugshot is a lightweight, easy-to-use user configuration utility.
[18:23] <slickymaster> bluesabre-laptop: ^^^ I do agree with elfy's suggestion. What do you think?
[18:23] <elfy> does it need to be lightweight and easy to use - doesn't one sort of point to the other anyway?
[18:24] <slickymaster> lol, that's why I've asked you
[18:24] <slickymaster> you're native to the language
[18:24] <elfy> sorry that - wasn't a question but a comment :p
[18:25] <elfy> I'd do one or the other personally
[18:25] <elfy> Mugshot is a lightweight (or (easy-to-use user)) configuration utility. 
[18:25] <slickymaster> elfy: well, technically being lightweight refers to the fact that it isn't a heavy on the system application
[18:26] <slickymaster> the easy-to-use, speaks for itself
[18:26] <elfy> technically - but reading a manual wise - is it necessary is what I'm saying
[18:27] <elfy> and should a user manual be concerned with how heavy something is on the system
[18:27] <slickymaster> elfy: maybe I'm seeing it too much as a brochure
[18:27] <elfy> :)
[18:28] <slickymaster> even though that's just a sort of a introduction paragraph
[18:29] <slickymaster> the manual per si is in the following links
[18:29] <elfy> Mugshot is a lightweight user configuration utility.  Mugshot allows you to easily set profile image and user details for your user profile and any supported applications.
[18:30] <slickymaster> elfy: I like it. If bluesabre-laptop won't object, I'll use your description instead of mine
[18:33] <elfy> slickymaster: you only want me to look at the front page?
[18:34] <slickymaster> no, by all means, browse the links
[18:34] <elfy> okey doke
[18:34] <slickymaster> only the http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs:usage isn't finished yet
[18:34] <elfy> though I'm only reading - not physically checking
[18:35] <slickymaster> well, I've checked the links, and they're all pointing to the right page
[18:36] <elfy> that's a good start - I'm looking while sorting little one
[18:37] <slickymaster> elfy: np. I also have to go now. will be back after dinner
[18:39] <slickymaster> ->
[18:52] <brainwash> ochosi: http://lpaste.net/98905 - clear message box after user selection change
[19:03] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Menulibre is uploaded, is the license meant to be GPL3 or GPL3+ though?
[21:32] <Noskcaj> ochosi, When do you think panel or the required garcon version will be out?
[22:28] <ochosi> brainwash: looks sane, how do i reproduce the related bug?
[22:29] <ochosi> Noskcaj: it's guesswork, i think nick is busy and consolidating all the panel-changes take time, i'm not sure. it could happen anytime (same as happened with the andrzejr/wrapper3 branch merge...)
[22:30] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:32] <ochosi> sorry i can't give you a more optimistic outlook
[22:32] <ochosi> my approach would be: package a git-snapshot now and update it as soon as we get a release
[22:32] <ochosi> we *need* this stuff in 14.04
[22:32] <Noskcaj> ok.
[22:32] <ochosi> we can update it in the backports, but not having it at all because there's no release reproduces the saucy problems
[22:33] <Noskcaj> I'll prepare it today
[22:34] <Noskcaj> Do we know of anyone with a xubuntu precise install? Needed for the xfce4-weather-plugin SRU to precise
[22:34] <ochosi> hmp, sry, i'll only even get trusty in a week
[22:34] <ochosi> no hdd-space to install precise (as ridiculous as that sounds)
[22:35] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:35] <ochosi> maybe that's ^ something we should use project funds for
[22:35] <ochosi> get devs proper hardware...
[22:35] <Noskcaj> I'd have a precise VM when the parts get un-lost
[22:36] <Noskcaj> for now, we just need to prepare a big SRU call for testing when i finish a few others (power manager, other weather fixes)
[22:36] <knome> SRU for 13.10
[22:36] <knome> ?
[22:37] <knome> oh, 12.04
[22:37] <knome> the last SRU is on feb 6th though
[22:38] <Noskcaj> knome, various releases
[22:40] <knome> not sure 13.10 is worth it, people using it should upgrade to 14.04 at latest on july anyway
[22:42] <slickymaster> night all
[22:42] <ochosi> yeah, let's focus on 14.04
[22:42] <ochosi> frankly, the fact that ali1234 resolved the most prominent 13.10 bug deserves lots of applaud (and more), but we should really look ahead now
[22:44] <knome> (one of the benefits for the shorter support cycle for regular releases is not having to SRU loads of stuff)
[22:44] <ochosi> (+1)
[23:02] <Noskcaj> What's garcon need to make the gtk-doc documentation?
[23:05] <ochosi> sry, neither a packing expert nor gtk-doc (in fact we're still having problems with that in parole...)
[23:07] <Noskcaj> I guess garcon get's to miss it's gtk-doc till a full release. I think it's something from git
[23:12] <brainwash> ochosi: simply login or unlock with an invalid password, the message box will appear "invalid blabla", now switch the user
[23:12] <ochosi> brainwash: ok, will test, thanks
[23:12] <ochosi> ok, i can confirm the bug
[23:13] <brainwash> ochosi: switching the user should remove the message box, because the message was addressing the previous failed login
[23:13] <brainwash> :)
[23:14] <ochosi> yu
[23:14] <ochosi> yup
[23:16] <brainwash> ochosi: so what is the deal with the light-lock branch?
[23:16] <ochosi> brainwash: it's a proposal by satya for a new greeter-theme for greybird
[23:16] <brainwash> it looks fancy, elementary-os-ish
[23:17] <ochosi> yeah, too much eOS
[23:17] <ochosi> a bit rip-offy imo :)
[23:17] <brainwash> the white login box looks more friendly than the current dark one
[23:17] <brainwash> and I like the transparent top panel
[23:17] <ochosi> yeah, i agree with that to some extent
[23:18] <ochosi> knome thinks it breaks consistency with the rest of the desktop theme
[23:18] <ochosi> i agree to some extent, i guess at least the logout dialog would have to be recolored
[23:19] <brainwash> ah, I also removed the blue xubuntu background from the plymouth theme, now it's a black background + white logo
[23:19] <brainwash> I like it, might look a bit like win xp
[23:21] <bluesabre-laptop> elfy, slickymaster: works for me
[23:21] <brainwash> but I support the idea of making the login/logout screen a bit more brighter
[23:21] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: I suppose GPL-3 for now
[23:21] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: I think gtk-doc-tools is all
[23:21] <bluesabre-laptop> I got it to build once
[23:21] <Noskcaj> ok
[23:21] <bluesabre-laptop> http://docs.smdavis.us/garcon/
[23:22] <Noskcaj> The docs work fine in full releases
[23:22] <Noskcaj> just not the git snapshot
[23:22] <bluesabre-laptop> ah
[23:22] <Noskcaj> And i'll go change the debian/copyright now
[23:24] <ochosi> brainwash: thanks for the patch, tested and pushed it
[23:27] <Unit193> brainwash: For smooth transition, ochosi kindly updated the accountsservice patch in xfdesktop so that it'd only pull from the first desktop (the one xfdesktop will go to upon login.)
[23:27] <ochosi> also, Noskcaj ^
[23:27] <ochosi> you probably wanna update my previous patch with the additional line...
[23:28] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/debian/saucy/xfdesktop4-data_4.11.2-2.1_all.deb - https://unit193.net/debian/saucy/xfdesktop4_4.11.2-2.1_amd64.deb or I can link to the dsc. :P
[23:28] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Let me finish the power manager SRU paperwork and i'll do that
[23:28] <Noskcaj> dsc please
[23:28] <ochosi> sure, thanks Noskcaj!
[23:29] <ochosi> Unit193: i presume you can link the dsc? :}
[23:29] <Unit193> -2.1.dsc
[23:29] <ochosi> cool ty
[23:29] <knome> Unit193, that link to the dsc is not working for me
[23:29]  * knome hides
[23:29] <Unit193> knome: Klik faster!
[23:31]  * Unit193 thinks ochosi doesn't know what to do with a dsc, so opens it in browser.
[23:32] <ochosi> Unit193: yup, that's what i've set exo-open to do
[23:32] <Unit193> ochosi: dget http://foo.bar/mekofoomfoomfally.dsc
[23:33] <knome> back tomorrow ->
[23:38] <brainwash> Unit193: sounds great, so now we only need a working patch for the theme issue
[23:41] <brainwash> but that makes me wonder, why does xfsettingsd take so much time to be ready on session start?
[23:50] <Noskcaj> bug 1222021 is now ready for an upload
[23:50] <Noskcaj> *cough* micahg *cough*
[23:52] <Unit193> knome: Did you see, or were you interested in the es xubuntu-docs strings that make index not validate?