[01:56] <ahoneybun_> for ubiquity bugs where on launchpad should I report them?
[02:13] <ahoneybun_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1271390
[03:01] <ahoneybun_> should I take screenshots of the ubiquity installer in the alpha2 for the docs or wait for at least a beta?
[03:26] <ahoneybun_> away
[06:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fwiw I did a install on Saturday and everything went fine
[07:13] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1271423] kwin requires libwayland-egl.so @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1271423 (by Uqbar)
[07:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:38] <shadeslayer> morning lordievader
[07:38] <lordievader> Hey shadeslayer, how are you doing?
[07:38] <shadeslayer> good
[07:38] <shadeslayer> you?
[07:39] <lordievader> Doing good too :)
[08:17] <apachelogger> yo
[08:19] <lordievader> Hey apachelogger, how are you doing?
[08:30] <apachelogger> lordievader: many sleepy I am ;)
[08:31] <mikhas> apachelogger, have you said your prayer to the God of Caffeine yet?
[08:31] <mikhas> apachelogger, how you personally like trello?
[08:32] <mikhas> *do
[08:32] <apachelogger> nope, still very much work in progress
[08:32] <apachelogger> mikhas: love the trello
[08:32] <mikhas> oh cool
[08:32] <mikhas> would have thought you deeply reject it
[08:32] <shadeslayer> hm, server teams want to drop openjdk from main to universe :/
[08:32] <apachelogger> it's very flexible, that's all that counts for me
[08:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so after dropping offical java support we now drop non-official java support? 
[08:33] <shadeslayer> yeah :/
[08:34] <shadeslayer> The reasoning seems to be ETOOMUCHWORK
[08:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-January/037991.html
[08:35] <mikhas> apachelogger, deep answer, thanks ;-)
[08:35] <apachelogger> mikhas: well, there really isn't anything else to say :P
[08:36] <mikhas> no I understand that, and you already thanked you for your brevity
[08:36] <mikhas> *I
[08:36]  * shadeslayer likes the satisfaction of moving things from Doing to Done
[08:36] <mikhas> I love short clear answers.
[08:36] <mikhas> yeah, does the kanban effect feel real?
[08:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's from scrum-ishy boards in general though
[08:36] <apachelogger> mikhas: exactly
[08:37] <shadeslayer> mikhas: it does
[08:37] <mikhas> cool
[08:37] <apachelogger> anyway, afk for coffee
[08:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go triage some bugs please :P
[08:38] <shadeslayer> I was going to go lunch :(
[08:38] <shadeslayer> but ok
[08:38] <mikhas> triage bugs about the quality of your lunch then
[08:38] <mikhas> apachelogger didn't specify the bugtracker =p
[08:38] <shadeslayer> ^^
[08:38] <shadeslayer> currently lunch is non existent
[08:39] <mikhas> can you reproduce?
[08:39] <shadeslayer> ask again tomorrow
[08:39] <shadeslayer> only reproducible between 12 PM to 2 PM
[08:40] <mikhas> have you tried to apply any workarounds?
[08:40] <mikhas> how often does this bug happen?
[08:40] <shadeslayer> yeah, mum.patch and food.patch fix the issue
[08:40] <mikhas> both together or just one?
[08:41] <shadeslayer> both separately :)
[08:41] <mikhas> I mean, does each patch separately fix the issue?
[08:41] <mikhas> oh cool
[08:41] <mikhas> let's go with mum.patch then, it's easier
[08:41] <mikhas> *applied*
[08:41] <mikhas> *fixed*
[08:41] <shadeslayer> :D
[08:41] <mikhas> status is now resolved fix, thanks!
[08:41] <shadeslayer> cheers!
[08:42] <jussi> o/
[08:43] <shadeslayer> hola jussi
[08:47] <jussi> heya shadeslayer
[08:48] <shadeslayer> hm, choqok has no translations /o\
[08:54] <apachelogger> mikhas: sure, I did, lunchpad :O
[08:54] <mikhas> :-D
[09:02] <apachelogger> very lovely amd64 is still oversized
[09:04] <apachelogger> oh, right, someone needs to upload new language-pack-*
[09:04] <apachelogger> though I am not actually sure that will free enough space
[09:09] <apachelogger> "gtk3 look is set to unconfigured (unsure)"
[09:10] <apachelogger> some bug report that must be 
[09:12] <apachelogger> allee: you are on bug 1266736?
[09:25]  * apachelogger wonders why kubuntu-bugs is subbed to xplante :O
[09:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1257675
[09:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: isn't that your task? :)
[09:49] <Riddell> !testers | lots more alpha 2 testing needed!
[09:49] <lordievader> Riddell: Will see if I can do more testing this afternoon/evening.
[09:53] <kfunk> oh. what's the reasoning for the move to firefox?
[09:54] <Riddell> kfunk: it brings me much sadness but rekonq had various bugs that made it unusable with no fix in sight
[09:54] <jarkko> Riddell: alpha 2?
[09:54] <Riddell> jarkko: candidates need testing!
[09:54] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds
[09:54] <jarkko> Riddell: what is needed
[09:55] <Riddell> download a kubuntu image and install it in one of the methods so you can tick the tested box
[09:55] <jarkko> so you need to install that...
[09:55] <Riddell> yes (can be on a virtual machine)
[09:55] <jarkko> well i could try virtual machine
[09:56] <kfunk> i see, conceivable. not that I bemoan the loss of rekonq, it's always been not that useful to me personally because of minor annoyances
[09:57] <jarkko> i am downloading kubuntu iso
[09:57] <jarkko> takes time
[10:00] <Riddell> kfunk: alas I think everyone else felt the same
[10:00] <Riddell> jarkko: we have all day :)
[10:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am no archive admin....
[10:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh remove from archive?
[10:01] <apachelogger> yes
[10:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you have a look at whether choqok has the right l10n setup?
[10:04] <shadeslayer> I don't see any po dir in the source
[10:04] <shadeslayer> nor in CMakeLists.txt
[10:06] <Riddell> kfunk: alas I think everyone else felt the same
[10:06] <Riddell> kfunk: alas I think everyone else felt the same09:55 < Riddell> download a kubuntu image and install it in one of the methods so you can tick the tested box
[10:06] <Riddell> tsk
[10:06] <Riddell> I do dislike this laptop, how does anyone use a touchpad?
[10:07] <kfunk> wtf
[10:07] <kfunk> :D
[10:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: talk to the debian maintainer and ask him how the hell he generates tarballs
[10:18] <yofel> because debians choqok_1.4.orig.tar.xz has nothing to do with the official choqok-1.4.tar.xz
[10:18] <yofel> esp. translation wise
[10:19] <yofel> FWIW, debian 686983 is getting no attention either
[10:21] <Riddell> consider repackaging with the real tar
[10:31] <shadeslayer> http://choqok.gnufolks.org/download/ > 404
[10:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sounds very wrong then?
[10:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: write me a card, today be bugs day, not l10n day
[10:33] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/choqok/+bug/1170609
[10:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1271423 == bug 1206371 ?
[10:35] <apachelogger> reports of course do not describe what they see, that would be too helpful in identifying duplicates....
[10:36] <apachelogger> bug 593117 ohmy
[10:36] <apachelogger> soooo
[10:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: what exactly am I supposed to do with these bugs?
[10:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: steal it from suse? https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=openSUSE%3A13.1&package=choqok
[10:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: kfloppy?  close them as unsupported?
[10:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: how is it unsupported?
[10:39] <apachelogger> upstream releases it regularly, debian releases it regularly, we release it regularly
[10:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: most certainly looks like it
[10:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: checking
[10:40] <apachelogger> ALSO
[10:40] <apachelogger> I am pondering on making kwin conflict libhybris
[10:40] <apachelogger> since apparently whoever is working on it doesn't give a shit that it breaks kwin
[10:40] <mgraesslin> or fixing libhybris?
[10:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: indeed
[10:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why do users have libhybris anyway
[10:41] <apachelogger> because of ubuntu phablet
[10:41] <apachelogger> and/or mir
[10:41] <shadeslayer> is it even supposed to be installed on desktops?
[10:41] <mgraesslin> nevertheless doesn't make sense on a normal system
[10:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not by default, no
[10:41] <apachelogger> but you know how users are
[10:41] <shadeslayer> Install all the packages!
[10:41] <apachelogger> ah let's install this here package I hear about on omgubuntu
[10:41] <apachelogger> let's install it!
[10:41] <apachelogger> oh noe! shit is broken!
[10:42] <apachelogger> better report a bug >:@
[10:42] <apachelogger> localepurge is an equally shitty package
[10:42] <apachelogger> breaks kde localization in every form and fashion
[10:42] <apachelogger> and basically comes with a disclaimr "yo, we no support no nothing, if stuff breaks it be your fault"
[10:43] <apachelogger> which begs to ask why exactly it is in the archive to begin with
[10:43] <apachelogger> of course it comes from debian so the question is moot as the answer is "because!"
[10:43]  * apachelogger sighs a bit and goes back to bugs
[10:44]  * mgraesslin passes my X11 tasks to apachelogger, so that he knows what real fun is
[10:44] <apachelogger> noooooooooooooooooo
[10:45] <shadeslayer> too late
[10:45] <apachelogger> ohohoho, talking about tasks
[10:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: upstream are dicussing dropping it
[10:45] <apachelogger> anyone fancys writing a webpage for bug management?
[10:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dropping what?
[10:45] <Riddell> kfloppy
[10:45] <Riddell> oh that was ment for apachelogger 
[10:45] <shadeslayer> :D
[10:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: upstream re discussing dropping it
[10:45] <apachelogger> the list on launchpad is getting terribad what with our influx of packages
[10:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: I know, I threw my thoughts at that... it doesn't help me right now though because right now it ducktypes to supported
[10:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I know right :/
[10:51] <shadeslayer> lol
[10:51] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/390226
[10:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: http://sourceforge.net/projects/choqok/files/Choqok/ has the tar
[10:51] <shadeslayer> much old, such wonder
[10:51] <yofel> but that 404 is weird, it worked for me minutes ago @_@
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:58] <Riddell> BluesKaj: more testing needed for alpha 2 :)
[11:00] <BluesKaj> hi Riddell. yeah I'm there :)
[11:00] <BluesKaj> still waking up here
[11:00] <Riddell> lovely :)
[11:01] <shadeslayer> aaarggghhhhh
[11:01] <shadeslayer> Firefox is broken
[11:02] <BluesKaj> slight insomnia, but a nap later this aft will help
[11:02] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, how?
[11:03] <shadeslayer> save changes button missing : http://i.imgur.com/RGnSPF0.png
[11:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: arguably it could be launchpad which is broken
[11:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1257316 ... MM1 is in proposed I think
[11:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that happens if your comment window becomes too big
[11:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: isn't it there? just.... really small?
[11:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah, it goes below another frame or sth
[11:05] <yofel> :/
[11:05] <shadeslayer> when you resize the comment window
[11:21] <apachelogger> ehm
[11:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: actually that is launchpad
[11:21] <apachelogger> because chrome supported resizering since forever
[11:21] <apachelogger> and launchpad was all like "yeah, we only support firefox"
[11:21] <apachelogger> and now firefox support it
[11:21] <apachelogger> and now launchpad is broken everywhere
[11:22] <apachelogger> </story of bit rot>
[11:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: what to do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-facebook
[11:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: it still works doesn't it?
[11:24] <Riddell> I'm sure I tested it recently and found it still useful
[11:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, it has bugs, what do I do with the bugs?
[11:26] <apachelogger> also what do we do with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-quickaccess
[11:26] <Riddell> if there's an upstream send them upstream, if not we live with them?
[11:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe
[11:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: define live with them please?
[11:29] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1201180] Pressing power button turns off the PC ignoring the presence of another session manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1201180 (by Marco Trevisan (Treviño))
[11:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: keep them in launchpad in the knowledge they're unlike to get triaged or fixed?
[11:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: well that doesn't sound helpful to anyone :/
[11:32] <Riddell> I can't think of a better idea
[11:32] <Riddell> all projects have bugs they acknowledge are unlikely to get fixed
[11:33] <apachelogger> sure, we are talking about having bugs that we know won't ever get fixed, because the software they are in is unmaintained
[11:34] <apachelogger> there's a difference between "please add streaming from imap to phonon" and "please fix resize bug in unmaintained plasmoid #1"
[11:34] <apachelogger> fromer has insaaaaaaaaaaaanely low priority, latter simply won't happen because it's unmaintained and not even umaintained by us but unmaintained by someone else
[11:35] <apachelogger> it's bascially something we did not handle in our bug triage spec way back in lucid
[11:36] <apachelogger> upstream-everything-that-is-upstream. but what do you do if there is no one to upstream to
[11:36] <apachelogger> so I'll argue that we cannot 'live with them' because that is against the policy
[11:37] <apachelogger> and the point of the policy is to prevent us piling up stuff we will not ever be able to fix...
[11:37] <Riddell> close them then?
[11:38] <apachelogger> so really IMO the two options are either remove the package and close the bugs as unfortunately no longer maintained; or not remove the package and close the bug as unfortunately no longer maintained but we still keep the package around because aside from the minor issues the software is still plenty useful
[11:38] <apachelogger> former is the correct thing to do, latter is generally nicer but puts more work on the triagers
[11:39] <apachelogger> (triagers = me :'<)
[11:40] <Riddell> somehow it seems worse to close the bugs if we still have the software with the bugs
[11:40] <apachelogger> they are not our bugs
[11:40] <Riddell> so I'd still vote for keeping them open as long as we have the software package
[11:40] <jarkko> what mesa version is suggested 14.04
[11:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's agaisnt the policy, they are not our bugs
[11:41] <apachelogger> policy says we do not track !our bugs unless they are actually valuable to us (>= medium impact)
[11:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: so close them
[11:42] <apachelogger> right, what do we make the policy though? :P
[11:42] <Riddell> to close them but keep the package if we still want the package
[11:42] <apachelogger> so when do we remove unmaintained software?
[11:43] <Riddell> when it becomes not useful
[11:43] <apachelogger> hm
[11:43] <Riddell> I'd argue kfloppy is in that state
[11:43] <Riddell> but facebook plasmoid is still useful
[11:43] <apachelogger> I'd agree
[11:43] <apachelogger> need something more than 'useful' though
[11:43] <apachelogger> not sure we can have something more, but we should ^^
[11:44] <apachelogger> I mean, in terms of defining 'useful'
[11:44]  * apachelogger gets some more coffee
[11:45] <lordievader> Isn't useful not very dependent on the person? Just my two cents.
[11:47] <apachelogger> that's the problem :P
[11:47] <apachelogger> the facebook is not useful to me, it is probably useful in the grand scheme of things
[11:48] <apachelogger> (though it is python so personally I think it doesn't need a package to begin with)
[11:49] <apachelogger> (someone should redo it in ECMAscript ;))
[11:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: I created a card to figure this out
[11:56] <shadeslayer> can someone try and reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/954012 with 14.04 + external screens?
[11:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have any closing thoughts on the milou thread btw?
[11:56] <shadeslayer> I do not have one at the moment
[11:56] <apachelogger> oterhwise I am going to postpone it to 14.10
[11:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: isn't that upstream?
[11:57] <apachelogger> reads very upstream to me
[11:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, but I don't if still reproducable
[11:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: it is to my great reget that I've not properly read it :(  but it seems like it'll be uncertain while nepomuk is going through a transition so best postpone
[11:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ask on the bug? ;)
[11:58] <Riddell> awooga, canonical will fund me to fo to fosdem
[11:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah ...
[11:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: summary is that baloo is coming so the entire milou business would depend on 4.13 being adopted and of sensible quality ... plus we might want to try something more daring in replacing krunner with milou
[12:00] <apachelogger> (i.e. if we were to adopt it now we'd have two applications doing the same thing more or less, so that's bad)
[12:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can't test until tomorrow, if you remember to poke me tomorrow I'll do it
[12:00] <shadeslayer> ack
[12:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: bigger question is how do we decide on 4.12 vs 4.13
[12:04] <Riddell> I'm tempted to go for 4.13
[12:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: upstream says 4.13
[12:04] <shadeslayer> we still support Quantal -.-
[12:04] <yofel> I think even from us we have like +some, -0
[12:04] <yofel> for 4.13
[12:04] <apachelogger> as I outlined in the thread, I'd go for 4.13
[12:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm waiting for more opinions
[12:05] <shadeslayer> on the other thread you started
[12:05] <shadeslayer> to which only Albert replied
[12:05] <apachelogger> if shit falls on our heads we can quickly swap back to 4.12
[12:05] <shadeslayer> how so?
[12:05] <yofel> XreallyY? ^^
[12:05] <yofel> would be fun to release with that ^^
[12:05] <shadeslayer> bah :/
[12:07] <shadeslayer> but tbh there isn't a prettier solution to this
[12:07] <shadeslayer> if we only release 4.13 to PPA's I doubt it'll get enough testers
[12:07] <shadeslayer> then shit will fall all over the place at release time
[12:07] <shadeslayer> ( if we proceed to push 4.13 to the archive 3 weeks before release )
[12:08] <yofel> it'll probably do that anyway, but at least we can say we did our best to test it
[12:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: but we might be able to contain stuff if things break near release
[12:08] <Riddell> sounds like 4.13 is the way to go, anyone want to send an e-mail to make it official?
[12:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe give it till end of this week for more people to reply on the kde-release ml?
[12:09] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:10] <Riddell> ok although I suspect upstream don't have too much of an opinion, it's really a distro problem
[12:10] <yofel> do we file an FFE? Or build git snapshots before FF just to get it in? ^^
[12:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/Uft24Pe.png
[12:11] <Riddell> file a FFe I think
[12:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you like spotify so far?
[12:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm being drawn in, I'm becoming a victim of capitalism, I've even got a smartphone now
[12:14] <Riddell> (finally found a waterproof smartphone)
[12:14] <shadeslayer> hah
[12:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: which one?
[12:14] <Riddell> but yeah it's nice
[12:14] <Riddell> sony xperia acor running android 4.1
[12:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bug 1171238 looks like it's crashing in KCups?
[12:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: isn't that the crash for which I wanted a new qt?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> I don't know :S
[12:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think it crashes in qtscript tho
[12:23] <shadeslayer> which bug is it ?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> ( the qtscript crash )
[12:23] <apachelogger> dunno, see mailing list
[12:23] <apachelogger> did you make a backport of qt btw?
[12:24] <shadeslayer> I did not
[12:24] <shadeslayer> can do now
[12:24] <apachelogger> oh
[12:24] <apachelogger> those backtraces are utter shit
[12:25] <shadeslayer> gdb :/
[12:25] <apachelogger> no, noob
[12:26] <apachelogger> comment 5 is a differnet backtrace altogether
[12:26] <apachelogger> no crash indication though in the frames
[12:26] <apachelogger> and since he did not include that information comment 5 is useless
[12:26] <apachelogger> however most likely unrelated
[12:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: close invalid tell him to use drkonqi for reporting bugs...
[12:27] <apachelogger> comment 2 has a corrupted stack most likely
[12:28] <apachelogger> comment 4 is the qtscript thing from the list I think
[12:28] <apachelogger> comment 5 may be cups, or no crash at all
[12:28] <apachelogger> all 3 different anyway, so that report is 3 reports and we don't do meta-reports anyway, so closing it is the right course of action regardless
[12:29] <shadeslayer> ack
[12:31] <shadeslayer> god : 1200523
[12:31] <shadeslayer> er
[12:31] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/982889
[12:33] <shadeslayer> dafuq
[12:33] <shadeslayer> "  Cannot access memory at address 0x6"
[12:34] <shadeslayer> on 1230025
[12:38] <apachelogger> lol
[12:38] <apachelogger> workspace bugs are fun
[12:46] <shadeslayer> indeed
[12:50] <shadeslayer> hurray
[12:51] <shadeslayer> just noticed arch is i386
[12:51] <shadeslayer> can't even use coredump on my machine
[12:51] <shadeslayer> stupid apport failed as well
[12:54] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please make bugs public unless they are meant to be private
[12:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: looks like the stack exploded though
[12:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, I'll just ask LP to retrace again, if it still fails I'll make it public
[12:56] <apachelogger> also https://launchpadlibrarian.net/151394991/Disassembly.txt is fishy
[12:57] <shadeslayer> :S
[12:57] <apachelogger> it's probably veromix :P
[12:57] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:58] <apachelogger> too bad, no veromix loaded
[12:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: discard
[12:59] <apachelogger> that was for 4.11.1, saucy relased with .2
[13:00] <apachelogger> whatever the cause, unless he can reproduce it we don't really care :S
[13:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: then https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1184105 needs to be discarded as well?
[13:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fixed
[13:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: unless you find a dup 
[13:01] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[13:01]  * shadeslayer marks as such
[13:01] <apachelogger> rule of thumb for conflicts: not for the present devel series && not for ppa && no dups = fixed
[13:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: bug 649721 , we don't ship byte compiled files do we?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how does one byte compile at install time?
[13:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: um, for what?
[13:05] <Riddell> you write a postinst script if you're talking about packaging
[13:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2010-September/007376.html
[13:05] <Riddell> oh dh_pythonX will do that
[13:06] <Riddell> it'll install to an obscure directory then at install time link to the file from /usr/lib/python2.7 and /usr/lib/python3.3 and do the byte compile (or something like that)
[13:06] <shadeslayer> aha
[13:06] <Riddell> trouble with python debhelper scripts is there's so many to choose from I always forget which one is the flavour of the month
[13:07] <shadeslayer> --compile-all is what I need?
[13:07] <Riddell> where?
[13:07] <Riddell> dh --with python  isn't it?
[13:07] <mitya57> --with python2
[13:07] <mitya57> (or python3)
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I meant isn't dh_pythonX --compile-all what I need to call in the postinst script
[13:08] <mitya57> You don't need to do anything with postinst manually, dh_python2 will take care of that
[13:08] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:08] <Riddell> right, let debhelper do it for you
[13:08]  * shadeslayer looks
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you did put  "dh = --with=python2" in rules
[13:11]  * shadeslayer marks fix released
[13:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+builds?build_state=building
[13:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and saucy please :P
[13:15] <apachelogger> <3
[13:15] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bug 1142636 is similar :P
[13:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and bug 542856 for your pleasure plz
[13:35] <ghostcube> meh still no kdeconnect 0.4.2 for ubuntu?
[13:35] <ghostcube> :(
[13:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh yes, why did I assign that to me? :O
[13:36]  * Riddell has an android phone now and using kdeconnect is on his todo now
[13:37] <shadeslayer> we have 0.4.2
[13:37] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect/0.4.2-1
[13:37] <shadeslayer> it be FTBFS
[13:37] <apachelogger> lovely
[13:37] <shadeslayer> indeed
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you might want to migrate from kdeconnect-kde to kdeconnect ^^
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is bug 1065930 still valid?
[13:42] <apachelogger> I was rather under the impression that we disbale the notificationhelper via casper
[13:42]  * Riddell notes there's still bits of 4.12.1 in proposed if anyone wants to investigate why
[13:42] <shadeslayer> no clue, need to check
[13:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you going to deprecate printer-applet upstream?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> Can someone upl http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kdeconnect_0.4.2-1ubuntu1.dsc
[13:54] <apachelogger> <- no keys
[13:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: how?
[13:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: was just curious what you did, but:
[13:55] <yofel> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found
[13:55] <yofel> dget: curl kdeconnect_0.4.2-1ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kdeconnect_0.4.2-1ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz failed
[13:55] <shadeslayer> bah
[13:55] <shadeslayer> wrong debian.tar
[13:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: try again
[13:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: write to release-team@ ... get the repository moved to unmaintained
[13:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: the test doesn't work?
[13:56] <apachelogger> !info libspectre
[13:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: we've disabled tests all across the board
[13:56] <apachelogger> !info libspectre-dev
[13:56] <yofel> yeah, probably no point to enable it just here
[13:57] <apachelogger> I really wonder why we are subscribed to so many unrelated packages
[13:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: it is in unmaintained https://projects.kde.org/projects/unmaintained/printer-applet/
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so 1065930 is fixed
[13:59] <apachelogger> oh
[13:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: indeed, nevermind
[13:59] <apachelogger> just need to kick it out of kubuntu-bugs and close the bugs
[13:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[13:59]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger.
[14:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: the big issue is that kdelibs installs some sort of test framework that is missing
[14:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: causing tests to fail everywhere
[14:01] <yofel> no, it's the tests not being compiled because we turned that off
[14:01] <yofel> but 'make test' doesn't check for that
[14:01] <yofel> so you would have to do something like if(KDE4_BUILD_TESTS) add_subdirectory(tests) endif in CMakeLists.txt
[14:02] <apachelogger> why upstream doesn't do that is beyond me
[14:02] <apachelogger> most confusing thing ever, totally bit me when creating libkubuntu....
[14:05]  * shadeslayer likes how cirrus graphics on KVM completely screw up Kubuntu
[14:05] <yofel> I would really like to know why they do that ^ actually
[14:05] <yofel> it worked in the past
[14:05] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:06] <shadeslayer> I have to pass -vga std now
[14:06] <yofel> unity looks even worse ^^
[14:06] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:06] <shadeslayer> good to know
[14:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I started amarok and no notification to install packages
[14:10] <shadeslayer> so it's fixed
[14:12] <Riddell> waa, why can't I copy wiki pages
[14:13] <Riddell> is anyone able to copy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Alpha1/Kubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Alpha2/Kubuntu ?
[14:13] <yofel> o.O
[14:14] <yofel> the wonders of moinmoin
[14:14] <shadeslayer> mitya57: Riddell: do you have a clue as to where I can find the compiled files?
[14:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer:  /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ ?
[14:16] <mitya57> shadeslayer: for python2? in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/$(your_module)/*.pyc
[14:18] <shadeslayer> and dh_python2 scans recursively?
[14:18] <mitya57> Yes
[14:19] <shadeslayer> because there is no  /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/kajongg
[14:19] <mitya57> Ah, right, because that's a private module
[14:20] <mitya57> look at /usr/share/kde4/apps/kajongg/*pyc
[14:20] <shadeslayer> already did
[14:20] <shadeslayer> nothing
[14:21]  * Riddell out
[14:21] <mitya57> Let me look
[14:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what do we do with bug 1069498, it has a patch, it's fixed in some really old KDE version
[14:22] <shadeslayer> mitya57: thx
[14:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: SRU?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> but I doubt there'll be anyone for verification
[14:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, screw SRUs
[14:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: tell him to use PPA :P
[14:24] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:24] <apachelogger> 12.10 is eol anyway, no
[14:24] <apachelogger> ?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> April 2014 no?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[14:27] <apachelogger> ...
[14:28] <apachelogger> anyway, afk for 30 minutes or so
[14:30] <mitya57> shadeslayer: kajongg has a non-standard layout (i.e. no __init__.py), so you either need to change that or use --compile-all
[14:30] <mitya57> i.e:
[14:30] <mitya57> override_dh_python2:
[14:30] <mitya57>        dh_python2 --compile-all
[15:10] <ghostcube> shadeslayer: yeah i've seen this but its not build 
[15:12] <ghostcube> will wait till its done :D
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: huh?
[15:21] <ghostcube> the page you posted the link there is no usable build. all failed afaik
[15:21] <ghostcube> for kdeconnect :)
[15:21] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:21] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:21] <shadeslayer> well, someone needs to upload my fix
[15:22] <shadeslayer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kdeconnect_0.4.2-1ubuntu1.dsc
[15:22] <shadeslayer> so cold
[15:22] <shadeslayer> kubotu: weather gurgaon
[15:28] <apachelogger> you cannot imagine how much it pisses me off when a changelog doesn't contain any useful information whatsoever
[15:29] <apachelogger> * Touched control file, I might have changed it, or maybe not.
[15:33] <apachelogger> and that shit even predates bzr branches
[15:33] <apachelogger> :@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[15:37] <apachelogger> right that does it
[15:37] <apachelogger> the entire delta goes away
[15:38] <apachelogger> akonadi has like 4 differences to debian, 2 have no origin, not in the changelog not in bzr, they are just there, nobdy knows why
[15:46] <Riddell> hi sgclark 
[15:47] <sgclark> Riddell: Good morning! seems I slept in lol
[15:47] <Riddell> :)
[15:48] <sgclark> Riddell: thank you   for getting those packages :) more  coming in shortly
[16:01] <Riddell> how's this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[16:12] <ghostcube> hmm sudo do-release-upgrade -d did the trick for me .. is there anything special for the kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade?
[16:13] <Riddell> it's just a 1 line script to run the same
[16:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: there was a new feature or change or something
[16:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: improved usability in usb-creator
[16:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: anything good to screenshot?
[16:15] <apachelogger> just the main view really
[16:15] <apachelogger> were subtile changes ... like actually auto-selecting a manually added image and smarter spacing of the columns
[16:16] <apachelogger> talking about smarter, smarter: do you still maintain kvkbd or should we throw it out in favor of some other vkbd (I seem to recall that there is a plasmoid or something)
[16:17] <smarter> oh hai
[16:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh and the bug list probably needs updating ^^
[16:17] <smarter> I'd recommend using the plasmoid, yes
[16:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh oh oh, and please note that the tiny version of screenshots have a uniform size now :P
[16:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: must be 350px wide
[16:17] <smarter> kvkbd was removed from kubuntu-desktop a while ago
[16:18] <apachelogger> full size screenshot can have any size, the 350px thing is just so that the table is not layed out all over the place
[16:18] <apachelogger> smarter: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvkbd still in the archive though
[16:18] <apachelogger> and has bug reports ;)
[16:19] <smarter> right, well it's not maintained so feel free to nuke it
[16:19] <smarter> I don't know how good the plasmoid is though
[16:19] <smarter> (or if it's maintained)
[16:19] <Riddell> smarter!
[16:19] <Riddell> you should get into alpha 2 candidate testing smarter, you'd enjoy it
[16:19] <apachelogger> smarter: putting down a task to look into it
[16:19] <Riddell> or maybe KF5 packaging
[16:20] <smarter> hi Riddell :)
[16:22] <smarter> I'm kinda busy with other stuff currently
[16:23]  * smarter has been hacking on libav/ffmpeg recently
[16:23]  * Riddell adds usb-creator on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[16:23] <Riddell> smarter: elite!
[16:26] <smarter> also, am I the one who is driven crazy by KMail often popping up dialogs or flooding my notification area about broken connections and stuff like that?
[16:26] <sgclark> Riddell: kservice is ready for you, important one
[16:26] <jarkko> guys i got a questin
[16:26] <smarter> like, when I resume from suspend
[16:26] <jarkko> question
[16:26] <jarkko> i got logitech gamebad
[16:26] <jarkko> and logitech keyboard
[16:27] <jarkko> both has small usb receiver
[16:27] <jarkko> do you know if its possible to use only 1 receiver to use both?
[17:30] <Riddell> smarter, jarkko: I guess nobody here knows, try in a support channel
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload choqok?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> erm
[17:34] <shadeslayer> I mean
[17:34] <shadeslayer> kdeconnect
[17:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kdeconnect_0.4.2-1ubuntu1.dsc
[17:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't think so, did you ask me to?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also, could you review http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-frameworks-devel/2014-January/009917.html
[17:36] <shadeslayer> If I understand it correctly, they want to remove the full legal text?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> Won't that go against the entire point of having COPYING* files?
[17:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't think he's saying that but I'll try to talk to alexmerry tomorrow
[17:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: We would
[17:40] <apachelogger> (have to) keep COPYING and COPYING.LIB regardless.
[17:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, but atleast that's what I understood from the email
[17:41] <shadeslayer> that they want to drop those infavor of pointing to a link
[17:41] <shadeslayer> that has the license
[17:41] <Riddell> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[17:41] <shadeslayer> again, not sure, which is why I asked you
[17:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: tsk
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: drat
[17:42] <shadeslayer> wait
[17:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not how I read it anyway
[17:43] <apachelogger> ditching LICENSE and AUTHORS, supposedly the files containing a list of all copyright holders and all licenses
[17:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, maybe I'm mis-interpretting
[17:43] <apachelogger> which really is pointless information 
[17:43] <apachelogger> surely not a bad idea to point out that COPYING* cannot go away for legal reasons
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dget 
[17:44] <shadeslayer> I mean, updated :_)
[17:46]  * apachelogger updates shadeslayer
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[17:47] <shadeslayer> I don't have enough power to be updated
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> I want to debug kmail. what would be the debug packages that I need to install 
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> there is no kmail-dev
[17:47] <shadeslayer> too much power diverted to thinking about DAC's and whether  I really need one
[17:48] <apachelogger> whatever happend to Alessandro Ghersi
[17:48]  * ovidiu-florin is not sure if there should be a kmail-dev
[17:48] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: kdepim-dbg
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[17:48] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: kdepim-dbg kdepimlibs-dbg akonadi-dbg to be more precise
[17:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you have a DAC
[17:48] <apachelogger> depending on what needs debugging
[17:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does it have to do with prn?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> thank you apachelogger
[17:49] <shadeslayer> if your prn uses FLAC for audio streams and you have hi fidelity equipment to hear prn
[17:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so what's a DAC then?
[17:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: digital to analog converter
[17:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that thing that outputs sound :P
[17:50] <shadeslayer> that comes before the speakers
[17:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-E10-Wzmacniacz-USB_DAC-S%C3%85%C2%82uchawkowy/dp/B005VO7LG6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390396363&sr=8-1&keywords=Fiio+E10
[17:50]  * apachelogger scratches had and wonders about the point
[17:50] <apachelogger> but no, I do not
[17:51] <lordievader> Putting a digital signal on speakers is not very pleasant.
[17:51] <shadeslayer> apparently, regular laptop dac's are not powerful enough to drive my 50 ohm impedance headphones
[17:51] <shadeslayer> which is why they do not sound optimal
[17:52] <shadeslayer> hence you need one of those ^^ 
[17:52] <shadeslayer> a E10 can drive upto 300 ohm impedance speakers/headphones
[17:52] <apachelogger> totally falling asleep I am
[17:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so what's the question good for? :P
[17:53] <shadeslayer> was just curious if you had one
[17:54] <apachelogger> I do have other things tho....
[17:54] <BluesKaj> most headphones and speakers used to be 8 ohms
[17:54] <BluesKaj> most still are afaik 
[17:55] <apachelogger> bug 900705 
[17:55] <apachelogger> no clue what to do
[17:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 820491
[17:58] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, the libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package fixed the desktop effects problem here with the Intel i915 driver
[17:59] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: that's not on kubuntu-full is it?
[18:01] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, i didn't install kubuntu-full. if that's some kind of meta-package
[18:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, usb-creator-kde not so good with --iso flag "An unhandled exception occurred:
[18:02] <Riddell> 'QDialog' object has no attribute 'insert_label'"
[18:02] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, it's not on kubuntu-full , the experimental mesa package is in the 14.04 repos
[18:03] <Riddell> hmm, and not so good in general "Failed: Error setting partition flags on /dev/sdb2: Command-line `sfdisk --change-id "/dev/sdb" 2 0x0c' exited with non-zero exit status 1: 
[18:03] <Riddell> WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util sfdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted."
[18:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: did it work for you?
[18:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: worked on saucy
[18:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: your stick is GPT not MBR, supposedly usb-creator-common doesn't handle GPT
[18:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, the only thing on this stick is the iso I copied with dd
[18:06] <apachelogger> might be that the ISO is hybrid MBR/GPT... otherwise you couldn't boot it on UEFI-only system 
[18:06] <BluesKaj> Riddell, start up disk creator worked here on a usb , the efi mode had to be enabled to boot it
[18:07] <BluesKaj> and secure mode was disabled as well
[18:07] <apachelogger> Riddell's fails when formatting the partitions
[18:08] <apachelogger> not at boot
[18:09] <Riddell> mm
[18:09] <BluesKaj> oops
[18:10] <apachelogger> https://plus.google.com/+GeeksfunBlogspot/posts/SaacofYh8Dh
[18:11] <apachelogger> regarding the floppy topic from earlier :P
[18:12] <apachelogger> since this morning I am writing a mail and add something like every half hour and every time I almost send it -.-
[18:12] <apachelogger> my mind is weak :'(
[18:13] <shadeslayer> <3
[18:13] <apachelogger> http://qalculate.sourceforge.net/images/qalculate-gtk.png gtk looks so much better than qt :O
[18:14] <shadeslayer> is that from fluffy 
[18:15] <sgclark> wow that does look nice
[18:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fluffy never had gtk theming
[18:16] <shadeslayer> too bad
[18:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: I thought that was fixed.
[18:19] <ScottK> That is our problem, not upstream, however, if it's not.
[18:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: how so though? doesn't upstream have kmail in the favs?
[18:22] <ScottK> No, it has kontact, but we patched it to kmail for netbook, since the kontact U/I is a bit much for a small netbook screen.
[18:22] <apachelogger> right
[18:23] <ScottK> The problem was, IIRC, something about kmail vs. kmail2.
[18:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: if you could confirm it's fixed that'd be lovely, otherwise I'll check tomorrow
[18:23] <ScottK> Unlikely I can before then.
[18:24] <apachelogger> ok
[18:25] <apachelogger> now where do I put a note so that I don't forget ^^
[18:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yo, bro, wanna be my PA? :P
[18:25] <shadeslayer> no thx
[18:25] <apachelogger> :(
[18:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: use sticky notes and stick them to your screen
[18:26] <apachelogger> my screen is already sticky, thanks very much
[18:26] <shadeslayer> ew
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: coming to FOSDEM
[18:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is that a question or a statement?
[18:28] <shadeslayer> question, so sleepy ....
[18:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: coming to FOSDEM?
[18:28] <apachelogger> so much spam
[18:31] <Riddell> sgclark: kservice uploaded!
[18:31] <sgclark> Riddell: wonderful thank you
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't think coming to FOSDEM counts as spam
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and yeah, so much spam http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Spam_with_cans.jpeg
[18:57] <ScottK> Spam is delicious.
[18:58] <manchicken> It is.
[18:59] <ScottK> manchicken: Did you know there's a Spam museum near the Hormel factory in Minnesota?
[18:59] <ScottK> There are snacks.
[18:59] <ScottK> Best museum ever.
[19:00] <manchicken> ScottK: Nice! That sounds like a museum worth going to.
[19:00] <ScottK> It is.  Great for kids too.
[19:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but no, not coming to fosdem
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: spam museum? :D
[19:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is that due to having too much spam and not having a PA?
[19:12] <ScottK> shadeslayer: http://www.spam.com/spam-101/the-spam-museum
[19:12] <apachelogger> yes, I have 300 years of email backlog
[19:12] <apachelogger> also the boyfriend did not approve the trip
[19:13] <ScottK> "You have to come here to experience this life-altering pure pork bliss for yourself. So pack the family car for a meat-packed day of fun at the Eighth Wonder Of The World: The SPAM® Museum."
[19:13] <ScottK> I can attest to the pure pork bliss.
[19:13] <apachelogger> http://www.spam.com/varieties/spam-oven-roasted-turkey
[19:14] <apachelogger> omnomnom
[19:15] <apachelogger> oh, btw, I create more email backlog by doing work because I in the end all the things I do to kubuntu bugs end up in my inbox ^^
[19:15] <apachelogger> bug 1214467 :O
[19:16] <apachelogger> /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/kscreen/KSC_Fake.so
[19:16] <apachelogger> bummer
[19:16] <apachelogger> smartboy broke it :'<
[19:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fancy fixing that?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> k
[19:19] <apachelogger> totally tagged and milestoned
[19:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw does this apply to 14.04 ?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> because the last instance of libkscreen0 is  libkscreen0 | 0.0.92-0ubuntu0.1 | raring-updates/universe | amd64, armhf, i386, powerpc
[19:25] <shadeslayer> which was superseeded
[19:25] <apachelogger> shouldn't be a problem in 14.04
[19:26] <apachelogger> still need it though because otherwise libkscreen2 will come around and people will forget about it again
[19:26] <apachelogger> I mean, chances are it will be forgotten regardless, but then I get to actually rage at whoever forgot it :O
[19:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when are you coming back to the past btw?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maybe 25th
[19:27] <apachelogger> not booked yet?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> no, depends on health of grand dad
[19:28] <apachelogger> *nod*
[19:28] <shadeslayer> if it gets worse, I might delay
[19:28] <shadeslayer> so far it's improving, but they still haven't figured out what's wrong
[19:29] <shadeslayer> uhm dude
[19:29] <shadeslayer> Breaks: libkscreen0
[19:29] <shadeslayer> Replaces: libkscreen0
[19:29] <apachelogger> oh, I totally didn't see that
[19:29] <shadeslayer> you should totally go to sleep
[19:30] <shadeslayer> ;)
[19:30] <apachelogger> I told you, my mind is weak today
[19:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please be closing that bug, good sir
[19:30] <shadeslayer> ack
[19:31] <apachelogger> ktorrent bugs are a battle field
[19:31] <apachelogger> bug 1174443
[19:31] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:31] <apachelogger> makes me shrug, also a bit sad that I couldn't even tell that person one command that will likely give useful information
[19:32] <apachelogger> life's a harsh mistress I tell ya
[19:32] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/1058032
[19:32] <shadeslayer> bug in unity
[19:32] <shadeslayer> still reported against ktorrent xD
[19:32] <apachelogger> yeah, there was some bug today that also was reported somewhere where it did not belong
[19:33] <apachelogger> fwiw, it could also be a bug in the qt patchery
[19:34]  * apachelogger ends bug triage for the day
[19:34] <shadeslayer> well, I'll just assign it to Unity to see what they say
[19:35] <apachelogger> well then, dearies
[19:35] <apachelogger> awesomest QA date on friday
[19:35] <sgclark> Riddell: ktextwidgets ready for you
[19:35] <apachelogger> LTS upgrade testerooo \o/
[19:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^ do you hold a stake in that?
[19:36] <apachelogger> oh my, rest of the month is packed with QA
[19:36]  * ScottK hasn't held stake in much of anything for the last month or two.  $work has been overwhelming.
[19:36] <apachelogger> oh no, that's feb
[19:36] <apachelogger> perhaps I should reshuffle that a bit
[19:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: many works is a good thing I suppose :)
[19:37] <ScottK> Yeah.
[19:37] <ScottK> Be careful what you ask for though, you may get it.
[19:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I plan on pushing new touchpad app tomorrow
[19:38] <shadeslayer> if I can figure out releaseme
[19:38] <apachelogger> hooray
[19:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: use the rewrite branch; see what I wrote in bluesystems channel when we last talked about it :P
[19:38] <shadeslayer> I'm reasonably satisfied about strings and quality of the app
[19:38] <apachelogger> less to figure out, possibly more bugs
[19:39] <lordievader> For the iso testing: lvm without encryption no longer is a test case?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> I don't think I have that much backlog for that channel, didn't you mention it eons ago
[19:39] <apachelogger> lordievader: if it isn't on the tracker then it is not, no
[19:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, this month anyway
[19:39] <lordievader> Ok, fine by me.
[19:40] <apachelogger> because I only wrote the CLI for the rewrite branch on Jan2 or so
[19:41] <apachelogger> a good 100 bugs triaged, lovely
[19:41] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[19:42] <apachelogger> hm, I might want to upload ubuntu-release-upgrader before LTS upgrade testing
[19:42] <apachelogger> :/
[19:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we might want to get it to remove krandr post upgrade
[19:45] <apachelogger> also very silly... friday I worked nonstop on tasks to decrease the todo amount to 30 cards, now we are back up at 37 -.-
[19:45] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:45] <shadeslayer> fwiw we still don't have a new ktp
[19:45] <shadeslayer> need to work on that too
[19:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it doesn't remove it?
[19:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't know, I haven't checked
[19:46] <shadeslayer> but it /should/ is what I'm saying
[19:46] <apachelogger> didn't notice it in the random test I did some days ago
[19:46] <apachelogger> then again I did not check explicitly ^^
[19:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah
[19:47]  * shadeslayer will check once he has better internets in Barcelona
[19:47] <apachelogger> internetz with prn quality we call that
[19:47] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:47] <shadeslayer> I have 2Mbps here, which is enough for prn :P
[19:48] <apachelogger> not for 3d HD
[19:48] <sgclark> Riddell: kemoticons also ready
[19:48] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_, valorie: do you have docs&l10n export figured out btw?
[19:48] <apachelogger> would rather like a test tarball at some point
[19:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think that's called real life
[19:48] <shadeslayer> the internets doesn't have enough bandwidth for real life
[19:48] <apachelogger> not that we notice problems  2 weeks before release
[19:49] <shadeslayer> k sleep, night
[19:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for second life it does
[19:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nini
[19:49] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:49]  * apachelogger also going to call it now
[19:49] <apachelogger> tomorrow more work on libkubuntu \o/
[19:56] <Quintasan> libkubuntu?
[20:14] <keithzg> Totally random (and I asked it already on #kde to no reply), but, are there KDE toques for sale anywhere? I've been wearing a Chrome toque for a while now and I'm starting to feel guilty ;)
[20:35] <lordievader> Hehe... It is possible to log out from a live-session. This throws you to lightdm with no option of starting a new live-session.
[20:41] <lordievader> Also the live-session doesn't care what language you select in Ubiquity.
[20:54] <lordievader> To where do I file ^ that bug?
[20:54] <lordievader> Casper?
[22:16] <ahoneybun> can anyone shot me the link to the qa page for this new alpha?
[22:59] <ahoneybun> Riddell: valorie how are we going to handle the kubuntu-doc package?
[23:33] <xnox> lordievader: it does care, it's just it doesn't have the language pack.
[23:33] <xnox> lordievader: we ship all strings for installer for all languages, but only a few languages on the cd (e.g. english, chinese, spanish and at times up to 2 more)
[23:33] <xnox> lordievader: all other language packs are downloaded during installation.
[23:33] <xnox> lordievader: lvm without encryption should be a valid test-case.
[23:33] <xnox> lordievader: it was since introduction in quantal.