[01:56] for ubiquity bugs where on launchpad should I report them? [02:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1271390 [02:13] Ubuntu bug 1271390 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[ubiquity-frontend-kde] Incorrect version number in installer slideshow" [Undecided,New] [03:01] should I take screenshots of the ubiquity installer in the alpha2 for the docs or wait for at least a beta? [03:26] away [06:49] Riddell: fwiw I did a install on Saturday and everything went fine [07:13] ::workspace-bugs:: [1271423] kwin requires libwayland-egl.so @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1271423 (by Uqbar) [07:37] Good morning. [07:38] morning lordievader [07:38] Hey shadeslayer, how are you doing? [07:38] good [07:38] you? [07:39] Doing good too :) [08:17] yo [08:19] Hey apachelogger, how are you doing? === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Bug Squishing 😱 | https://trello.com/kubuntu | 4.12.1 WIP http://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | bugs https://tinyurl.com/ovfcj78 | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | ISO testing http://goo.gl/cRAawa ` [08:30] lordievader: many sleepy I am ;) [08:31] apachelogger, have you said your prayer to the God of Caffeine yet? [08:31] apachelogger, how you personally like trello? [08:32] *do [08:32] nope, still very much work in progress [08:32] mikhas: love the trello [08:32] oh cool [08:32] would have thought you deeply reject it [08:32] hm, server teams want to drop openjdk from main to universe :/ [08:32] it's very flexible, that's all that counts for me [08:33] shadeslayer: so after dropping offical java support we now drop non-official java support? [08:33] yeah :/ [08:34] The reasoning seems to be ETOOMUCHWORK [08:34] apachelogger: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-January/037991.html [08:35] apachelogger, deep answer, thanks ;-) [08:35] mikhas: well, there really isn't anything else to say :P [08:36] no I understand that, and you already thanked you for your brevity [08:36] *I [08:36] * shadeslayer likes the satisfaction of moving things from Doing to Done [08:36] I love short clear answers. [08:36] yeah, does the kanban effect feel real? [08:36] shadeslayer: that's from scrum-ishy boards in general though [08:36] mikhas: exactly [08:37] mikhas: it does [08:37] cool [08:37] anyway, afk for coffee [08:37] shadeslayer: go triage some bugs please :P [08:38] I was going to go lunch :( [08:38] but ok [08:38] triage bugs about the quality of your lunch then [08:38] apachelogger didn't specify the bugtracker =p [08:38] ^^ [08:38] currently lunch is non existent [08:39] can you reproduce? [08:39] ask again tomorrow [08:39] only reproducible between 12 PM to 2 PM [08:40] have you tried to apply any workarounds? [08:40] how often does this bug happen? [08:40] yeah, mum.patch and food.patch fix the issue [08:40] both together or just one? [08:41] both separately :) [08:41] I mean, does each patch separately fix the issue? [08:41] oh cool [08:41] let's go with mum.patch then, it's easier [08:41] *applied* [08:41] *fixed* [08:41] :D [08:41] status is now resolved fix, thanks! [08:41] cheers! [08:42] o/ [08:43] hola jussi [08:47] heya shadeslayer [08:48] hm, choqok has no translations /o\ [08:54] mikhas: sure, I did, lunchpad :O [08:54] :-D [09:02] very lovely amd64 is still oversized [09:04] oh, right, someone needs to upload new language-pack-* [09:04] though I am not actually sure that will free enough space [09:09] "gtk3 look is set to unconfigured (unsure)" [09:10] some bug report that must be [09:12] allee: you are on bug 1266736? [09:12] bug 1266736 in skanlite (Ubuntu) "Please update skanlite to 1.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266736 [09:25] * apachelogger wonders why kubuntu-bugs is subbed to xplante :O [09:42] Riddell: bug 1257675 [09:42] bug 1257675 in kubuntu-firefox-installer (Ubuntu) "please remove kubuntu-firefox-install source & binary from trusty" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257675 [09:46] apachelogger: isn't that your task? :) [09:49] !testers | lots more alpha 2 testing needed! [09:49] lots more alpha 2 testing needed!: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se for information [09:49] Riddell: Will see if I can do more testing this afternoon/evening. [09:53] oh. what's the reasoning for the move to firefox? [09:54] kfunk: it brings me much sadness but rekonq had various bugs that made it unusable with no fix in sight [09:54] Riddell: alpha 2? [09:54] jarkko: candidates need testing! [09:54] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds [09:54] Riddell: what is needed [09:55] download a kubuntu image and install it in one of the methods so you can tick the tested box [09:55] so you need to install that... [09:55] yes (can be on a virtual machine) [09:55] well i could try virtual machine [09:56] i see, conceivable. not that I bemoan the loss of rekonq, it's always been not that useful to me personally because of minor annoyances [09:57] i am downloading kubuntu iso [09:57] takes time [10:00] kfunk: alas I think everyone else felt the same [10:00] jarkko: we have all day :) [10:01] Riddell: I am no archive admin.... [10:01] apachelogger: oh remove from archive? [10:01] yes [10:03] apachelogger: can you have a look at whether choqok has the right l10n setup? [10:04] I don't see any po dir in the source [10:04] nor in CMakeLists.txt [10:06] kfunk: alas I think everyone else felt the same [10:06] kfunk: alas I think everyone else felt the same09:55 < Riddell> download a kubuntu image and install it in one of the methods so you can tick the tested box [10:06] tsk [10:06] I do dislike this laptop, how does anyone use a touchpad? [10:07] wtf [10:07] :D [10:17] shadeslayer: talk to the debian maintainer and ask him how the hell he generates tarballs [10:18] because debians choqok_1.4.orig.tar.xz has nothing to do with the official choqok-1.4.tar.xz [10:18] esp. translation wise [10:19] FWIW, debian 686983 is getting no attention either [10:19] Debian bug 686983 in choqok "choqok: The Choqok package does not include any language pack/locale files (.mo files)." [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/686983 [10:21] consider repackaging with the real tar [10:31] http://choqok.gnufolks.org/download/ > 404 [10:33] shadeslayer: sounds very wrong then? [10:33] shadeslayer: write me a card, today be bugs day, not l10n day [10:33] okay [10:33] apachelogger: I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/choqok/+bug/1170609 [10:33] Ubuntu bug 1170609 in choqok (Ubuntu) "No french translation for choqok 1.3 in kubuntu 13.04 although it is translated in french" [Medium,Triaged] [10:34] shadeslayer: bug 1271423 == bug 1206371 ? [10:34] bug 1271423 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "kwin requires libwayland-egl.so" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271423 [10:34] bug 1206371 in libhybris (Ubuntu) "kwin is not starting: cannot find libwayland-egl.so.1" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206371 [10:35] reports of course do not describe what they see, that would be too helpful in identifying duplicates.... [10:36] bug 593117 ohmy [10:36] bug 593117 in kfloppy (Ubuntu) "KFloppy will not format floppy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/593117 [10:36] soooo [10:36] Riddell: what exactly am I supposed to do with these bugs? [10:37] shadeslayer: steal it from suse? https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=openSUSE%3A13.1&package=choqok [10:38] apachelogger: kfloppy? close them as unsupported? [10:38] Riddell: how is it unsupported? [10:39] upstream releases it regularly, debian releases it regularly, we release it regularly [10:39] apachelogger: most certainly looks like it [10:39] Riddell: checking [10:40] ALSO [10:40] I am pondering on making kwin conflict libhybris [10:40] since apparently whoever is working on it doesn't give a shit that it breaks kwin [10:40] or fixing libhybris? [10:40] Riddell: indeed [10:40] apachelogger: why do users have libhybris anyway [10:41] because of ubuntu phablet [10:41] and/or mir [10:41] is it even supposed to be installed on desktops? [10:41] nevertheless doesn't make sense on a normal system [10:41] shadeslayer: not by default, no [10:41] but you know how users are [10:41] Install all the packages! [10:41] ah let's install this here package I hear about on omgubuntu [10:41] let's install it! [10:41] oh noe! shit is broken! [10:42] better report a bug >:@ [10:42] localepurge is an equally shitty package [10:42] breaks kde localization in every form and fashion [10:42] and basically comes with a disclaimr "yo, we no support no nothing, if stuff breaks it be your fault" [10:43] which begs to ask why exactly it is in the archive to begin with [10:43] of course it comes from debian so the question is moot as the answer is "because!" [10:43] * apachelogger sighs a bit and goes back to bugs [10:44] * mgraesslin passes my X11 tasks to apachelogger, so that he knows what real fun is [10:44] noooooooooooooooooo [10:45] too late [10:45] ohohoho, talking about tasks [10:45] shadeslayer: upstream are dicussing dropping it [10:45] anyone fancys writing a webpage for bug management? [10:45] Riddell: dropping what? [10:45] kfloppy [10:45] oh that was ment for apachelogger [10:45] :D [10:45] apachelogger: upstream re discussing dropping it [10:45] the list on launchpad is getting terribad what with our influx of packages [10:46] Riddell: I know, I threw my thoughts at that... it doesn't help me right now though because right now it ducktypes to supported [10:50] apachelogger: I know right :/ [10:51] lol [10:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/390226 [10:51] Ubuntu bug 390226 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "Make KDE Get Hot New Stuff button labels consistent" [Low,Triaged] [10:51] shadeslayer: http://sourceforge.net/projects/choqok/files/Choqok/ has the tar [10:51] much old, such wonder [10:51] but that 404 is weird, it worked for me minutes ago @_@ [10:56] Howdy all [10:58] BluesKaj: more testing needed for alpha 2 :) [11:00] hi Riddell. yeah I'm there :) [11:00] still waking up here [11:00] lovely :) [11:01] aaarggghhhhh [11:01] Firefox is broken [11:02] slight insomnia, but a nap later this aft will help [11:02] shadeslayer, how? [11:03] save changes button missing : http://i.imgur.com/RGnSPF0.png [11:03] shadeslayer: arguably it could be launchpad which is broken [11:04] Riddell: bug 1257316 ... MM1 is in proposed I think [11:04] bug 1257316 in libnm-qt (Ubuntu) "Please update libnm-qt to 0.9.8.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257316 [11:04] Riddell: that happens if your comment window becomes too big [11:04] shadeslayer: isn't it there? just.... really small? [11:05] yofel: yeah, it goes below another frame or sth [11:05] :/ [11:05] when you resize the comment window [11:21] ehm [11:21] shadeslayer: actually that is launchpad [11:21] because chrome supported resizering since forever [11:21] and launchpad was all like "yeah, we only support firefox" [11:21] and now firefox support it [11:21] and now launchpad is broken everywhere [11:22] [11:23] Riddell: what to do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-facebook [11:24] apachelogger: it still works doesn't it? [11:24] I'm sure I tested it recently and found it still useful [11:25] Riddell: yes, it has bugs, what do I do with the bugs? [11:26] also what do we do with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-quickaccess [11:26] if there's an upstream send them upstream, if not we live with them? [11:27] apachelogger: hehe [11:27] Riddell: define live with them please? [11:29] ::workspace-bugs:: [1201180] Pressing power button turns off the PC ignoring the presence of another session manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1201180 (by Marco Trevisan (Treviño)) [11:29] apachelogger: keep them in launchpad in the knowledge they're unlike to get triaged or fixed? [11:30] Riddell: well that doesn't sound helpful to anyone :/ [11:32] I can't think of a better idea [11:32] all projects have bugs they acknowledge are unlikely to get fixed [11:33] sure, we are talking about having bugs that we know won't ever get fixed, because the software they are in is unmaintained [11:34] there's a difference between "please add streaming from imap to phonon" and "please fix resize bug in unmaintained plasmoid #1" [11:34] fromer has insaaaaaaaaaaaanely low priority, latter simply won't happen because it's unmaintained and not even umaintained by us but unmaintained by someone else [11:35] it's bascially something we did not handle in our bug triage spec way back in lucid [11:36] upstream-everything-that-is-upstream. but what do you do if there is no one to upstream to [11:36] so I'll argue that we cannot 'live with them' because that is against the policy [11:37] and the point of the policy is to prevent us piling up stuff we will not ever be able to fix... [11:37] close them then? [11:38] so really IMO the two options are either remove the package and close the bugs as unfortunately no longer maintained; or not remove the package and close the bug as unfortunately no longer maintained but we still keep the package around because aside from the minor issues the software is still plenty useful [11:38] former is the correct thing to do, latter is generally nicer but puts more work on the triagers [11:39] (triagers = me :'<) [11:40] somehow it seems worse to close the bugs if we still have the software with the bugs [11:40] they are not our bugs [11:40] so I'd still vote for keeping them open as long as we have the software package [11:40] what mesa version is suggested 14.04 [11:41] Riddell: that's agaisnt the policy, they are not our bugs [11:41] policy says we do not track !our bugs unless they are actually valuable to us (>= medium impact) [11:42] apachelogger: so close them [11:42] right, what do we make the policy though? :P [11:42] to close them but keep the package if we still want the package [11:42] so when do we remove unmaintained software? [11:43] when it becomes not useful [11:43] hm [11:43] I'd argue kfloppy is in that state [11:43] but facebook plasmoid is still useful [11:43] I'd agree [11:43] need something more than 'useful' though [11:43] not sure we can have something more, but we should ^^ [11:44] I mean, in terms of defining 'useful' [11:44] * apachelogger gets some more coffee [11:45] Isn't useful not very dependent on the person? Just my two cents. [11:47] that's the problem :P [11:47] the facebook is not useful to me, it is probably useful in the grand scheme of things [11:48] (though it is python so personally I think it doesn't need a package to begin with) [11:49] (someone should redo it in ECMAscript ;)) [11:55] Riddell: I created a card to figure this out [11:56] can someone try and reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/954012 with 14.04 + external screens? [11:56] Ubuntu bug 954012 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Task Manager Widget on secondary monitor not minimising application when primary minor running a full window application" [Undecided,New] [11:56] Riddell: do you have any closing thoughts on the milou thread btw? [11:56] I do not have one at the moment [11:56] oterhwise I am going to postpone it to 14.10 [11:57] shadeslayer: isn't that upstream? [11:57] reads very upstream to me [11:57] apachelogger: yes, but I don't if still reproducable [11:57] apachelogger: it is to my great reget that I've not properly read it :( but it seems like it'll be uncertain while nepomuk is going through a transition so best postpone [11:57] shadeslayer: ask on the bug? ;) [11:58] awooga, canonical will fund me to fo to fosdem [11:58] apachelogger: yeah ... [11:59] Riddell: summary is that baloo is coming so the entire milou business would depend on 4.13 being adopted and of sensible quality ... plus we might want to try something more daring in replacing krunner with milou [12:00] (i.e. if we were to adopt it now we'd have two applications doing the same thing more or less, so that's bad) [12:00] shadeslayer: can't test until tomorrow, if you remember to poke me tomorrow I'll do it [12:00] ack [12:04] apachelogger: bigger question is how do we decide on 4.12 vs 4.13 [12:04] I'm tempted to go for 4.13 [12:04] Riddell: upstream says 4.13 [12:04] we still support Quantal -.- [12:04] I think even from us we have like +some, -0 [12:04] for 4.13 [12:04] as I outlined in the thread, I'd go for 4.13 [12:05] apachelogger: I'm waiting for more opinions [12:05] on the other thread you started [12:05] to which only Albert replied [12:05] if shit falls on our heads we can quickly swap back to 4.12 [12:05] how so? [12:05] XreallyY? ^^ [12:05] would be fun to release with that ^^ [12:05] bah :/ [12:07] but tbh there isn't a prettier solution to this [12:07] if we only release 4.13 to PPA's I doubt it'll get enough testers [12:07] then shit will fall all over the place at release time [12:07] ( if we proceed to push 4.13 to the archive 3 weeks before release ) [12:08] it'll probably do that anyway, but at least we can say we did our best to test it [12:08] yofel: but we might be able to contain stuff if things break near release [12:08] sounds like 4.13 is the way to go, anyone want to send an e-mail to make it official? [12:09] Riddell: maybe give it till end of this week for more people to reply on the kde-release ml? [12:09] lol [12:10] ok although I suspect upstream don't have too much of an opinion, it's really a distro problem [12:10] do we file an FFE? Or build git snapshots before FF just to get it in? ^^ [12:10] apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/Uft24Pe.png [12:11] file a FFe I think [12:13] Riddell: do you like spotify so far? [12:14] shadeslayer: I'm being drawn in, I'm becoming a victim of capitalism, I've even got a smartphone now [12:14] (finally found a waterproof smartphone) [12:14] hah [12:14] Riddell: which one? [12:14] but yeah it's nice [12:14] sony xperia acor running android 4.1 [12:16] apachelogger: bug 1171238 looks like it's crashing in KCups? [12:16] bug 1171238 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "plasma-desktop randomely crashes - but only on 64 bit." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171238 [12:23] shadeslayer: isn't that the crash for which I wanted a new qt? [12:23] I don't know :S [12:23] shadeslayer: I think it crashes in qtscript tho [12:23] which bug is it ? [12:23] ( the qtscript crash ) [12:23] dunno, see mailing list [12:23] did you make a backport of qt btw? [12:24] I did not [12:24] can do now [12:24] oh [12:24] those backtraces are utter shit [12:25] gdb :/ [12:25] no, noob [12:26] comment 5 is a differnet backtrace altogether [12:26] no crash indication though in the frames [12:26] and since he did not include that information comment 5 is useless [12:26] however most likely unrelated [12:27] shadeslayer: close invalid tell him to use drkonqi for reporting bugs... [12:27] comment 2 has a corrupted stack most likely [12:28] comment 4 is the qtscript thing from the list I think [12:28] comment 5 may be cups, or no crash at all [12:28] all 3 different anyway, so that report is 3 reports and we don't do meta-reports anyway, so closing it is the right course of action regardless [12:29] ack [12:31] god : 1200523 [12:31] er [12:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/982889 [12:31] Ubuntu bug 982889 in xorg-server-lts-quantal (Ubuntu Precise) "X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver" [Undecided,Triaged] [12:33] dafuq [12:33] " Cannot access memory at address 0x6" [12:34] on 1230025 [12:38] lol [12:38] workspace bugs are fun [12:46] indeed [12:50] hurray [12:51] just noticed arch is i386 [12:51] can't even use coredump on my machine [12:51] stupid apport failed as well [12:54] ^^ [12:55] shadeslayer: please make bugs public unless they are meant to be private [12:56] shadeslayer: looks like the stack exploded though [12:56] apachelogger: yeah, I'll just ask LP to retrace again, if it still fails I'll make it public [12:56] also https://launchpadlibrarian.net/151394991/Disassembly.txt is fishy [12:57] :S [12:57] it's probably veromix :P [12:57] lol [12:58] too bad, no veromix loaded [12:59] shadeslayer: discard [12:59] that was for 4.11.1, saucy relased with .2 [13:00] whatever the cause, unless he can reproduce it we don't really care :S [13:00] apachelogger: then https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1184105 needs to be discarded as well? [13:00] Ubuntu bug 1184105 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "package plasma-widgets-workspace 4:4.10.3-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.notifications/contents/ui/JobDelegate.qml', which is also in package kde-workspace-data 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2.1" [Undecided,New] [13:00] shadeslayer: fixed [13:01] shadeslayer: unless you find a dup [13:01] ah okay [13:01] * shadeslayer marks as such [13:01] rule of thumb for conflicts: not for the present devel series && not for ppa && no dups = fixed [13:04] yofel: bug 649721 , we don't ship byte compiled files do we? [13:04] bug 649721 in Kubuntu PPA "kajongg: python source is not byte compiled at installation" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649721 [13:04] Riddell: how does one byte compile at install time? [13:05] shadeslayer: um, for what? [13:05] you write a postinst script if you're talking about packaging [13:05] Riddell: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2010-September/007376.html [13:05] oh dh_pythonX will do that [13:06] it'll install to an obscure directory then at install time link to the file from /usr/lib/python2.7 and /usr/lib/python3.3 and do the byte compile (or something like that) [13:06] aha [13:06] trouble with python debhelper scripts is there's so many to choose from I always forget which one is the flavour of the month [13:07] --compile-all is what I need? [13:07] where? [13:07] dh --with python isn't it? [13:07] --with python2 [13:07] (or python3) [13:08] Riddell: I meant isn't dh_pythonX --compile-all what I need to call in the postinst script [13:08] You don't need to do anything with postinst manually, dh_python2 will take care of that [13:08] ah [13:08] right, let debhelper do it for you [13:08] * shadeslayer looks [13:10] Riddell: you did put "dh = --with=python2" in rules [13:11] * shadeslayer marks fix released [13:13] apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+builds?build_state=building [13:15] shadeslayer: and saucy please :P [13:15] <3 [13:15] okay [13:23] apachelogger: bug 1142636 is similar :P [13:23] Error: Launchpad bug 1142636 could not be found [13:25] apachelogger: and bug 542856 for your pleasure plz [13:25] bug 542856 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "gdm has entry for kde but kde is not fully installed" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542856 [13:35] meh still no kdeconnect 0.4.2 for ubuntu? [13:35] :( [13:35] shadeslayer: oh yes, why did I assign that to me? :O [13:36] * Riddell has an android phone now and using kdeconnect is on his todo now [13:37] we have 0.4.2 [13:37] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect/0.4.2-1 [13:37] it be FTBFS [13:37] lovely [13:37] indeed === soee_ is now known as soee [13:40] Riddell: you might want to migrate from kdeconnect-kde to kdeconnect ^^ [13:41] shadeslayer: is bug 1065930 still valid? [13:42] bug 1065930 in qapt (Ubuntu) "Prompt to install stuff like flash should be disabled on the live-cd" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065930 [13:42] I was rather under the impression that we disbale the notificationhelper via casper [13:42] * Riddell notes there's still bits of 4.12.1 in proposed if anyone wants to investigate why [13:42] no clue, need to check [13:52] Riddell: are you going to deprecate printer-applet upstream? [13:53] Can someone upl http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kdeconnect_0.4.2-1ubuntu1.dsc [13:54]