bigcalmdirecthex: renewed interest in the torrent for release 4. Wonder what sparked that00:05
daftykinsaww i missed the communal seeding drive of a new'un00:06
* bigcalm sleeps00:09
daftykinsnn sir00:10
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diddledanshould really sleep01:31
diddledanmessing with nameservers right now tho01:32
MooDoomorning all07:00
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Celebration Of Life Day! :-D07:34
MooDoomorning JamesTait07:36
diploMorning all08:05
MooDoomorning diplo08:08
diploRather liveley here this morning!08:12
MooDoonever is this time of the morming, people are only just waking up08:13
* diplo would be quite happy still in bed08:13
MooDoodiplo: me too08:23
JamesTaitMe three.08:33
knightwisemorning everyone08:39
jussihrm, seems my clock disappeared (on ubuntu). anyone know how to get it back?08:41
ali1234restart indicator-datetime-service08:42
ali1234open shell and run "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-datetime-service &"08:43
popeyhttp://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/ interesting08:44
jussihrm, not going to work, still on 32bit here08:44
popey/usr/lib/*/indicator-datetime-service &08:45
ali1234then you have a 32 bit equivalent path08:45
Myrttioh my GAWD there was something bright and flashing I could see from the corner of my eye on my pillow08:45
Myrttitwo concecutive glances and it's only a pillow08:45
Myrttinow I realise it's the SUN COMING FROM THE WINDOW08:45
jussiali1234: and popey, yup, that fixed it. thanks08:47
MooDooMyrtti: sun? sun?  lies, there is no such thing08:51
popeybah, ram is being delivered when I am at the optician08:51
popey\o/ dpd allow me to redirect to neighbour08:51
jussiMooDoo: open ther blinds... :P08:53
MooDooMyrtti: nice :)08:55
MooDoohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2641170 here's mone08:56
* MooDoo senses popey is a little excited at getting his RAM08:56
popeyJUST A BIT08:56
hooverMorning lads & lassies08:57
MooDoomorning hoover09:01
BigRedSGooood Morning!09:01
MooDooIt's a beautiful day hay hay !09:04
MooDoopopey: how spooky, I just read that backblaze blog post yesterday....been using their service for a couple of months, took about a week to do my initial backup :S09:06
popeyoh interesting, I haven't used their service. any good?09:06
popeyand does it work on linux?09:07
MooDoopopey: er not sure about linux, it's on a spare windows machine I have, don't think there is a linux clietn09:08
MooDoopopey: not at the moment - https://help.backblaze.com/entries/20203476-Is-Backblaze-going-to-offer-Linux-support-09:09
MooDoodiplo: coffee09:14
bigcalmA client has asked me to set up a VPN with the endpoint of Am I right in thinking that you can't use anything but a /32 with an odd number?09:29
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:29
diddledanbigcalm: a /31 doesn't make sense in the real world09:31
bigcalmdiddledan: it's just 2 IP addresses for use with a VPN09:32
diddledanare you sure?09:32
bigcalmQuite sure, it's what we've been setting up for sometime now09:32
diddledan1bit = 2 addresses, network id is one and broadcast is the other, meaning 0 usable ip addresses09:33
diddledanhost ip addresses**09:33
MartijnVdSthat, or a point-to-point link09:33
bigcalmI assure you, what we are doing works :)09:33
diddledanbut anywho .127/31 is .127 and .12709:34
diddledan.126 and .12709:34
bigcalmI'm not explaining the whole set-up. Just that I think Rackspace will reject the .127/31 request. .126/31 would work though09:34
MartijnVdSbigcalm: throw it at ipcalc :)09:34
* bigcalm passes on the request as the client has stated, just to see what happens09:35
TheOpenSourcererI used to have Hitachi and Samsung drives and thought they were good. Samsung drives went to Seagate, Hitachi now gone to WD... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/putting-hard-drive-reliablity-to-the-test-shows-not-all-disks-are-equal/09:37
foobarrygolden rule used to be "don't buy maxtor"09:38
diddledanmaxtor were fun09:38
MooDooI just use WD drives, never had a problem with them yet09:38
TheOpenSourcererSeagate look absolutely terrible in this report09:38
diddledanI try to stick with WD too09:38
foobarrythey used a particular seagate model, which probably is made in the maxtor factory09:39
foobarryseagates with seagate DNA were good IME09:39
foobarrywhere are quantum fireballs now?09:40
MartijnVdSfoobarry: quantum bigfoot!09:40
TheOpenSourcererUK unemployment down again, and by 167k last month... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-2584157009:41
foobarryyou mean uk employment statistics...09:41
jussiTheOpenSourcerer: good news!09:41
bashrcIs this unemployment down, or people being no longer counted09:42
TheOpenSourcererYou'd need to ask the ONC I guess.09:42
foobarrywe have struggled to hire for ages09:42
bashrcwhen I was unemployed I was recommended to "sign off" on a couple of occasions, even though I was looking for a job09:43
foobarryonly attracting people on the continent, which means UK people want more munneh09:43
jussifoobarry: I think we have had some similar issues with hiring. mind, finding good embedded SW people isnt the easiest...09:44
bashrcstruggling to hire is laughable given the current situation09:44
TheOpenSourcererIt isn't bashrc09:45
TheOpenSourcererThe UK has generally failed miserably to educate our kids for the last 20 years in anything remotely "technical"09:45
foobarryconsidering we are paying OK wages09:45
bashrcif you're struggling to hire then you're not offering a market clearing rate09:45
jussibashrc: there are plenty of applicants, however, qualified, experienced people...09:45
foobarrybut everything is 10-15% more expensive than a couple of years ago, so bashrc  thats correct but HR don't agree09:46
bashrcthere are lots of smart people out there09:46
foobarryearning moer money09:46
bashrcif you're not offering a market clearing rate then htat's the explanation.  It's not that there aren't enough suitable candidates09:47
TheOpenSourcererThere are a lot more "less smart" people than smart ones... Esp. in tech.09:47
foobarry$employer is hiring contractors at london market rates, but permies on much lower salary = death of dept.09:47
diddledanand then there's idiots... like me.09:47
jussibashrc: I put it to you that you are wrong.09:48
jussibut then again, we are looking for very specific skill sets09:49
bashrcI'm not seeing many fewer folks coming out of universities.  Are all of those people unemployable.  That doesn't seem plausible09:50
foobarrymy problem is inflexible HR process09:52
foobarrywe see good people sometimes but cannot tweak our JD or pay scale up or down to accomodate them09:52
jussiyeah, I think for us, its more that there is right now a gap in the market for certain skill sets, with experience.09:53
bashrcI've seen recent university science graduates become unix hackers within a few months of employment09:53
bashrcso I don't think htere is an IQ deficit09:55
MooDooare employers wanting experience or grades, I know that i'd prefer experience over a uni degree09:58
foobarryexperience propped up with a degree09:59
foobarrythere are exceptions but i feel a good Bsc degree underpins your approach to work09:59
foobarryeven affecting guys in their 30s+ who don't seem to understand principles of computing10:00
MartijnVdSfoobarry: I don't know.. lots of BSc's I know knew a lot of theory, not much practice.10:00
BigRedSI keep meaning to do a CS 101 style course to get some of the underlying theory down10:00
MooDooI don't have a degree and I seem to be doing ok for myself lol10:00
BigRedSmost of my knowledge of how computers work is related directly to kernel complaints10:00
BigRedSMartijnVdS: yeah, I think a degree for the theory plus experience for the practice is what's being advocated10:01
diploAnyone heard from SuperMatt ?10:01
ali1234the problem is that employers want a degree and 5 years of experience and they also want you to be 22 so they can pay you as little as possible10:02
MooDoodiplo: not lately, probably too busy with rackspace.10:02
BigRedSali1234: I think a problem is the vagueness. When I was looking for work most positions were really vague on what they wanted10:05
BigRedS"£22K+; a PHd in CS would be an advantage but isn't essential"10:06
BigRedSso "We'll consider anybody, but not give any clues as to what the position is"10:06
ali1234that means one of two things10:06
ali1234either there is no position, or it means you will be the sole "computer expert" for the entire company10:07
diploI can't see sometimes how this advantage is with having a phd.. I had lots of consultants in at my last place. Qualified till the hilt with sod all real world experience except writing down 'This would be good for you' but with never implementing it10:09
MartijnVdSBigRedS: 22k£? Is that before or after tax?10:10
BigRedSAh, they never made that clear either, so before10:18
BigRedSthat was a made-up number10:18
MooDoomorning Laura10:25
bigcalmETA has moved to tomorrow10:30
bigcalmOh well, back to work10:30
DJonesDoes anybody know how to change the data range for a chart in LibreOffice10:44
MooDoojussi: are you anything to do with ubuntu bots?10:50
MooDoojussi: it's ok ignore that10:51
davmor2Morning all11:00
* popey goes to get his eyes tested11:01
bigcalmNo laptop for me today *sniff*11:02
MooDoomorning davmor211:04
davmor2bigcalm: tell me you wouldn't think about getting this http://thisisnthappiness.com/post/74108351942/lego-escher11:06
bigcalmdavmor2: seen it before and would love it as a kit11:07
davmor2bigcalm: Sue wants it so I can build it for her :D11:10
* czajkowski pokes davmor2 ello 11:16
davmor2czajkowski: hello trouble how are you?11:17
czajkowskinot bad looking at events I want to go to11:20
czajkowskiand this one has caught my eye based on the name alone thegeekgathering.org11:20
MooDoowow 2013 had some great speakers11:22
MartijnVdSMooDoo: 7.1? 5.1? 7.2?11:25
MooDooMartijnVdS: excuse me?  don't get you?11:26
MartijnVdSMooDoo: speakers.. 7 front 1 subwoofer, etc.11:28
MooDooMartijnVdS: oh i meant people speakers at a conference...or were you trying to be funny ;)11:28
MartijnVdSMooDoo: both ;)11:30
davmor2MooDoo, MartijnVdS: see that would of worked if you said, Dolby Digital, mono or stereo? :)11:30
MartijnVdSdavmor2: yeah :)11:30
MartijnVdSdavmor2: Pro Logic, btw.11:30
davmor2MartijnVdS: haha11:30
MooDooyou're all gits11:31
davmor2MooDoo: geeks man you need to fix your autocorrect11:31
MooDoodavmor2: no I believe I was correct in the first instance ;)11:32
MartijnVdSMooDoo: <something about checking out and commmitting>11:33
davmor2MooDoo: well that as well :P11:34
MooDooMartijnVdS: I hate committing :)11:35
MartijnVdSMooDoo: watch out for a detached head state then :)11:37
MooDooMartijnVdS: I'd repond if I knew git ;)11:39
RaxMattdiplo: I'm here11:41
davmor2MooDoo: you only hate committing because when you do they put you in the padded room right ;)11:41
MartijnVdSMooDoo: you could just tag someone else11:41
MooDooMartijnVdS: I prefer stab, and I can do that to czajkowski and davmor2  :D11:42
DJonesMooDoo: davmor2 Its easy to tell the difference between geek & Git, git pull downloads software, geek pull normally downloads a punch11:42
MartijnVdSMooDoo: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/mr+stabby/ ?11:42
MooDooMartijnVdS: like it :D11:43
Myrttiin other, exiting news http://phys.org/news/2014-01-fastest-real-world-fiber-14tbs.html11:45
Myrtti"This is believed to be the fastest speed ever achieved in commercial grade hardware in a real-world environment and is equivalent to transmitting 44 uncompressed HD films in a single second.11:46
BigRedSIs that the 14 year old?11:47
diploRaxMatt: Was just going to see how things were going ?11:47
MooDooBigRedS: ?11:48
BigRedSah. no11:48
RaxMattdiplo: they're going very well thanks. It's a little slow this week because training isn't as forth coming as it otherwise would have been, but it's a lot of fun being here11:49
BigRedSthere was a site going round the other day where a kid was saying he'd solved everyone's compression issues11:49
BigRedSI didn't see the URL before somehiow11:49
MooDooglobal jam in a few months - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam11:51
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diploRaxMatt: Great, glad to hear it.. will have to keep us updated on it :)11:54
RaxMattI shall11:55
RaxMattthough I'm sure you're all eager to know if I can get you a discount11:56
RaxMattthe answer is no11:56
diploNah, I've looked at jobs @ rackspace before, but it's to far away for me :/11:56
diploAnd discounts, no! Free stuff, yeah! :P11:56
MooDooah RaxMatt wondered who you were :D11:58
Myrttiyeah, took me a while too11:58
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MooDooRaxMatt: are you there now?  having fun?12:04
RaxMattI am, and I am12:04
MooDooRaxMatt: and you're on irc, result :D12:04
bigcalmdavmor2: how does it look for tonight?12:06
RaxMattwell I'm not getting much in the way of training just yet, so I've been told I can do anything12:07
RaxMattI'm not going to be able to do customer stuff for 6 weeks12:07
davmor2I'm going he is having an autopsy so no news about anything till Friday at the earliest12:07
davmor2bigcalm: ^]12:07
MooDooRaxMatt: 6 weeks?  that the learning term?12:07
bigcalmdavmor2: hope you're okay man12:07
MooDoodavmor2: ?12:08
davmor2bigcalm: bit gutted but other than that I'm good thanks ;)12:08
davmor2MooDoo: uncle died at the weekend12:08
bigcalmdavmor2: have an early wake for the man :)12:08
MooDoodavmor2: ah sorry to hear that chap12:08
RaxMattMooDoo: yuppers!12:08
MooDooRaxMatt: wow, and too busy to train you eh lol12:09
RaxMattwell, someone started last week, so they've started his training already (some of it already organised for this week). So they're gonna make me join his training from next week onwards, and play catch up with the things I didn't learn later in the 6 weeks12:09
MooDooRaxMatt: self learning time it is then :D12:10
MooDooRaxMatt: put your flag up :)12:10
RaxMattI haven't got my flag yet. I'm gonna try and get a gotham city flag or a batman flag12:11
davmor2RaxMatt: Walk outside and shout this linux and openstack thing is just never gonna work, you'll be amazed at how many people take the time to prove you wrong ;)12:12
RaxMatthah, I'm not going to do that12:12
davmor2RaxMatt: You're just no fun at all are you :P  Enjoy from what I understand they are a really cool team there :)12:14
bigcalmRaxMatt: why the change of nick?12:14
RaxMattbecause I work for rackspace now12:15
MooDooRaxMatt: now you'll have to start nominating people to work at rackspace -12:15
bigcalmRaxMatt: in the mean time you could assist Rory in working our our VPN problems ;)12:15
davmor2bigcalm: RaxMatt worked for superman before?12:15
hooverHey biggie!12:16
bigcalmdavmor2: ah, that would make sense12:16
bigcalmHi hoovie :)12:16
RaxMattbigcalm: nope, can't do customer stuff!12:16
RaxMattplus, you might not be one of my customers12:16
bigcalmRaxMatt: it would be amusing if that happened12:17
RaxMattbrb, gonna get lunch from the exceptionally cheap hardrack cafe12:17
bigcalmOh dear me12:17
RaxMattbasically if you're an smb spending less than 5K on linux, I'm your man12:17
ali1234that's funny, cos when i worked for an SMB spending less than 5k on linux, rackspace were basically "yeah we don't do anything that small"12:18
bigcalmI have no idea how much our client is spending with Rackspace.12:18
ali1234that was several years ago though12:18
foobarryarrrgh why did i update java..nothing works12:19
foobarryStarting with Java 7 Update 51, Java has enhanced security model to make user system less vulnerable to the external exploits. The new version of Java does not allow users to run the applications that are not signed (Unsigned), Self signed (not signed by trusted authority) and the applications that are missing permission attributes.12:21
MartijnVdSso actually useful updates12:21
Myrttifoobarry: yeah, we got hit by that at work12:22
foobarryMyrtti: the suggested workaround doesn't have a site list12:23
foobarrysecurity-edit site list no existy12:23
foobarryah, because in windows, the control panel-Java points to the old version, how helpful12:27
balorCan anyone tell me the i10n shorthand for Wales?  For example en-gb is British English, ga-ie is Gaelic Irish, what's Welsh?  Internet searches suggest cy-gb, but CY is the ISO 3166 and TLD for Cyprus.12:31
shaunocy-gb should be correct12:32
balorhttp://cy.wikipedia.org is Welsh, so I suppose cy it is.12:32
RaxMattali1234: the difference now I guess is cloud computing12:32
shaunoit's lang-country, where lang is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes and country you already have nailed12:32
davmor2balor: cy for Cymru12:34
balordavmor2, thanks.  I'm sure the Cypriots are pleased :)12:36
MartijnVdSbalor: well, they're having enough trouble figuring out if they're Greek or Turkish, right?12:41
knightwiseMartijnVdS: your tip worked :)12:44
knightwiseWifi now restored to normal speeds on my notebook12:44
davmor2knightwise: oh what tip was that then?12:45
knightwisehad a terrible time trying to mix up an intell wifi card and a broadcom chip on my Asus router12:47
popey\o/ 16GB12:58
foobarryyou know you marry well when you wife opens a convo "" Just got the fake windows call [scam]"12:58
foobarry"he hung up as soon as I said that it was interesting because I don't use windows"12:58
foobarrymy brother, an intelligent man, rang in a panic "foobarry, this man is on the phone from canada saying people are attacking my pc right now"12:59
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BigRedSknightwise: iwlwifi.11n_disable=1 ?13:04
MartijnVdSit should still be slow13:04
MartijnVdSas 802.11g *is* slow :)13:05
knightwiseBigRedS: correct13:05
BigRedSI was bemused to hear the other day that wifi comes in faster-than-54Mbps flavours13:06
BigRedSknightwise: yeah, I briefly didn't need that but I've gone back about ten kernels to Crunchbang and it's definitely necessary again13:07
MartijnVdSBigRedS: my advertised-as-300MBps doesn't really go that fast though :)13:07
foobarryare you guys seeing dropped packets etc?13:07
foobarrywith pings, or other effects?13:07
BigRedSfoobarry: on mine the thing just disappears and NM claims an inability to configure it13:07
BigRedSI can't remember in all honesty, I last debugged it about a year ago and have just shoved that line onto my cmdline fairly automatically since13:08
foobarryBigRedS: its fixed in later kernel?13:08
BigRedSnot in whatever 13.10 had a month or so ago13:08
* diplo is hereing Mr popey on Linux Unplugged, thought I recognised the voice13:10
bigcalmpopey: as my laptop's ETA has changed to tomorrow, you have an extra day to make 14.04 be more awesome before I install it13:10
bigcalmpopey: most welcome ;)13:15
bigcalmpopey: so are you running memtest on your new 16GB to see that it all works?13:15
popeyi only run memtest when things break13:15
popeyKiB Mem:  16314304 total,  7999684 used,  8314620 free,     1700 buffers13:15
popeyseems to be working13:15
MartijnVdStime to open a few more tabs13:16
MartijnVdSyou're not using >50% of it!13:16
popeyor a VM or five13:16
MartijnVdSwhy not13:16
BigRedSwhat's everyone's favourite desktop virt? I'd like one that only does anything to my networking when it's actually running, ideally13:20
BigRedSYeah, the only reason I have to not use that is 'oracle'13:21
BigRedSwhich isn't a very good one13:21
knightwiseVirtualbox :) I love its command line interface13:27
foobarryi use vmware player for occasional spin ups of vms13:27
MartijnVdSvbox is great.. until you want to suspend your laptop with a VM running13:27
MartijnVdSthen it prevents suspend13:27
ali1234suspend the VM first13:28
MartijnVdSali1234: it should do that for me, then bring it back on host-resume13:28
popeywhat do you want to virtualise?13:28
MartijnVdSa development box, created by vagrant13:29
MartijnVdSbut I don't want to hunt down vagrant boxes when I need to catch my bus13:29
ali1234MartijnVdS: it can't be hard to implement13:29
popey^ BigRedS ☻13:29
foobarrykvm is good but not v nice tools13:29
MartijnVdSvirsh is nice once you've used it a bit13:30
MartijnVdSbut yeah it's a lot of manual stuff13:30
dwatkinsthere's a GUI for qemu, too13:31
popey!info virt-manager13:31
lubotu3virt-manager (source: virt-manager): desktop application for managing virtual machines. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.5-1ubuntu1.1 (saucy), package size 273 kB, installed size 3264 kB13:31
foobarryvmware does special things when it installs ubuntu - do others do that too?13:31
foobarryquick config type stuff13:31
foobarryvirt-manager is so redhat13:31
foobarryugly grey boxes, looks alpha quality13:31
ali1234do people say "Q-M-U" or "kee-moo"?13:32
ali1234i saw a video where some guy kept saying "kee-moo" and i had no idea what he was talking about for like 10 minutes13:32
diddledan__neither. que emu13:32
ali1234like the spanish?13:33
ali1234why would you say it like that?13:33
diddledan__no like queue13:33
ali1234like queue emu?13:33
ali1234like the bird?13:33
popeyqueue emu13:33
dwatkinskew emm you13:34
diddledan__guy who recently left at work used to call it kwaymoo13:34
MooDoooh that's strange as i call it kwem-oo13:35
popeytayto → czajkowski13:36
diddledan__can't go wrong with either "tatties" or "spuds" :-p13:36
MooDoooh you said tatties ;)13:36
davmor2diddledan__: I can't call them tatties not after Russell Howard called breasts Tattiebojangles13:38
Myrttivirt-manager is nice13:38
diddledan__I like the big bang theory name for a breast-centric magazine: "bombay badonkadonks"13:39
directhexthat'd be butts, not breasts13:39
Myrttimy irssi vm got stuck waiting for a harddrive to appear that I've got with me in Finland and I just connected over qemu+ssh and fixed it13:39
diddledan__shows how well I know my pr0n :-p13:39
ali1234i pity anyone reading this log... how to pronounce "qemu" to "butts" in 20 lines13:39
diddledan__ali1234: impressive, no?13:41
davmor2ali1234: I'm pretty sure we can discount about 10 lines of that from people being sensible :D13:41
knightwiseI run all the services I need in VMs on top of my linux machine13:41
knightwisethe linux "host" machine is basically a NAS with VMware software on it sharing out all the data via samba13:42
diddledan__knightwise: which hypervisor tech do you use?13:42
diddledan__vmware server or workstation?13:42
knightwiseVirtualbox on a LMDE machine13:42
knightwise3 Vm"s taking care of the different services like plex , remote login etc etc13:42
directhexvbox :'(13:42
knightwisethat way I can easily swap out functionalities/servers without having to touch the base system13:43
diddledan__yeah, I don't like vbox since oracle pwn'd it13:43
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foobarrymassive headache incoming14:06
foobarrythink i've caught the kids cold14:06
BigRedSpopey: linuxes, generally debian14:06
BigRedSso I tried virt-manager and LXC but LXC's helper scripts are a bit broken in Wheezy14:07
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MartijnVdSI don't trust LXC14:07
BigRedSand more than once something's been confused by that always-up virtbr1 device14:07
MartijnVdSit's not virtual enough14:07
BigRedSwe use openvz a fair bit at work so I'm fairly comfortable with the concept, and LXC is the modern and hip equivalent14:08
Myrttiwell then http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-partners-with-google-flight-search14:11
diploI've never tried openvz is it easy enough to use, I've tried kvm multiple times with virt-manager etc and just don't seem to get on with it that well14:13
popeyBigRedS: desktop or server I meant, kvm should be good enough IMO14:25
popeyhad my eyes tested today. pondering what best value for specs is14:42
popeyI'll only need them for close up work (soldering) currently, but will need them for reading in the future (3 years maybe)14:42
popeydo people buy online or is it a case that you really need to go to bricks & mortar?14:43
MartijnVdSpopey: people get their eyes measured "IRL", but I know a few who've ordered glasses online after that14:45
MartijnVdSall you need is the inter-eye distance, and the lens parameters14:45
popeyi have some numbers on a card, I guess that's it?14:45
diploI've not done online yet, but I'm debating it next time14:46
diploYeah your report card from the opticians is all you need14:46
foobarrywho tested your eyes?14:46
popeysphere, cyl and axis14:46
diploSaw this the other day14:46
popey+1.25, -0.5, 90 and +1.25, -0.25, 9014:46
popeythat look like the right numbers?14:46
popeyfoobarry: optician14:47
foobarryno idea about this but do people usually go for 2nd opinion?14:47
foobarryor is it clear cut14:47
MartijnVdSpopey: those look like mine, except I have -1.50ish14:47
popeyi trust this guy14:48
diplopopey: yep, same as mine :)14:48
MartijnVdSpopey: it's sphere/cylinder/axis, one for each eye14:48
popeybeen to him before14:48
MartijnVdS(cylinder + cylinder-axis, there's also a lesser-used prism + prism-axis)14:48
popeyhe said he slightly over-prescribed so they'd last longer as they turn from "doing electronics with the kids" glasses into "reading" glasses14:49
bigcalmpopey: I order my glasses from these people: http://www.spex4less.com/14:57
awilkinsI just have a pair of +1 reading glasses I bought off the shelf in Sainsbury's14:57
awilkinsPlastic lenses, no frames14:58
awilkinsUseful up to about 2 feet away from my eyeballs14:58
bigcalmawilkins: you have a very long nose14:58
* popey hugs laney for bug 95950515:01
lubotu3bug 959505 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "gedit wants to save in "recently used" by default" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95950515:01
foobarrygets me a lot15:01
Laneynot my favourite behaviour15:02
MartijnVdSdidn't upstream claim it was a feature?15:03
Laneyit didn't happen by accident15:03
MartijnVdSi.e. it was a feature15:04
foobarryhowever its not possible15:04
MartijnVdSfoobarry: Gnome devs are not known for common sense15:04
foobarryso a half baked feature15:04
awilkinsRecently used can contain folders...15:05
awilkins... but yes, it's mostly a bit daft15:05
bigcalmMaybe the idea is that you then chose a directory from those recently used?15:05
Dave2Solution: use a real text editor15:05
* Dave2 hides.15:05
bigcalmUse a real IDE ;)15:05
TwistedLucidityDave2: MS Word?15:05
Dave2Said real IDE being called "vim"15:05
MartijnVdSTwistedLucidity: Excel of course.15:05
MartijnVdSTwistedLucidity: that's also the One True Database System15:06
awilkinsThe main thing that annoys me about Unix text editors (including vim) is they append a final line ending to files even when there wasn't one15:06
awilkinsIt's a niche thing15:06
Seeker`C files are meant to have one15:06
MartijnVdSyou can configure them to not do that ususally15:06
awilkinsBut there are certain files in certain VCS repositories (bzr, I'm looking at you) that don't cope with it15:06
popeyDave2: gvim does the same as gedit ☻15:06
Seeker`you should only be writing C on unix :P15:06
MartijnVdSSeeker`: and Perl15:07
TwistedLuciditySeeker`: C? Pfft. Use butterflies.15:07
Seeker`none of this VCS nonsense :P Remember, its 1970!15:07
awilkinspopey, I don't run into that with gvim usually because I either use :w ~/thefile.txt15:07
MartijnVdSSeeker`: rcs.15:07
Dave2popey: :w ~/foo.txt15:07
awilkinsOr I'm editing an existing file15:07
MartijnVdSor I'm editing a non-existing (but named from the command line) file15:07
awilkinsThat too15:08
awilkinsI very rarely click the menus in gvim except for things like colorscheme15:08
awilkinsAnd Copy and Paste, ironically, when I want to paste to another app15:08
awilkinsAlthough I think ctrl-shift-C etc work actually /me checks15:09
awilkinsNo. They don't. Maybe in vim in a terminal.15:09
awilkinsYes, that works15:09
Dave2+gP to paste, or something15:10
MartijnVdSawilkins: "*p15:10
MartijnVdSregister * = system clipboard15:10
Dave2oh, that's a bit easier than "+gP15:11
MartijnVdSregister + = "copy/paste" clipboard (* = middle click clipboard)15:11
Dave2I shall have to remember that15:11
Dave2that makes sense15:11
Dave2I usually don't bother and just use the menus but decided that I should really learn it15:12
MartijnVdSI'm thinking of just mapping it to Ctrl+Shift+[CV]15:12
bigcalmFrom a Rackspace support ticket "There are a couple of reasons why your edge device is dropping this connection. One of those is that some devices don't support multiple SAs running at the same time." - What's an SA?15:17
MartijnVdSbigcalm: context?15:19
bigcalmMartijnVdS: VPN15:19
MartijnVdSsecurity associations15:20
bigcalmOkay, I still don't understand :)15:20
MartijnVdSbigcalm: Basic IPSec ;)15:21
MartijnVdSbigcalm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPsec#Security_association15:21
bigcalmHumm, okay15:22
* bigcalm passes the buck :D15:22
MartijnVdSbigcalm: time to go to ipsec training! ;)15:25
bigcalmMartijnVdS: I'd rather not :P That's what Rackspace are there to do15:26
bigcalmAnybody who has used Walsh Western before know what "PLAN COMMITTED" is meant to be?15:27
MartijnVdSbigcalm: wasn't SuperMatt going to work for them? :)15:31
MartijnVdSbigcalm: git add ~/.plan; git commit15:31
RaxMattgoing to work for you?15:31
MartijnVdSRaxMatt: Rackspace?15:31
RaxMattI'm here now15:31
RaxMattShould I just start highlighting Rackspace so I can support you all from here?15:32
MartijnVdSRaxMatt: see bigcalm's lines about vpns and rackspace :)15:32
RaxMattI'm actually not allowed to do customer stuff yet :P15:32
bigcalmI'm acting as a little bit of a middle man at the moment I fear15:32
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MartijnVdSnew GTLDs15:43
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shaunothey seem to have burried the list quite well16:37
jussiMooDoo: I am, but then again, you said ignre it... :P17:06
bigcalmCrontab: */1 * * * * - run once per minute?17:17
popeyor * * * * *17:18
directhex*/1 == *17:18
bigcalmIndeed, but I've come across the above from a client17:19
bigcalmJust checking that what they've done is weird17:19
bigcalmThere are instances of */2 and */5, I guess things got whittled down to */1 for some17:22
bigcalmLutterworth is 1 hour 14 minutes away from me according to google maps17:24
bigcalmWhat are the chances of a delivery tonight?17:24
popeyKiB Mem:  16314304 total, 14374528 used,  1939776 free,     1700 buffers17:25
popeyKiB Swap:  8501244 total,        0 used,  8501244 free.  6869884 cached Mem17:25
popeystill no swap used17:25
bigcalmHow are you using 14GB?17:25
popey 1710 root      20   0 1380056 1.006g 160268 S  11.6  6.5  45:28.05 Xorg17:25
popeyI'm not using 14G17:25
popey6.8G is cache17:26
bigcalm14374528 = 13.7GB17:26
popeyyou're not reading it right17:29
popeyused doesn't mean "consumed by applications" in top17:29
bigcalmI never do :)17:29
bigcalmI've never understood the output of top and free17:30
popeyused includes cached AIUI17:34
bigcalmI see17:37
bigcalmRaxMatt: have you heard of the name Curtis Nicholson?17:44
bigcalmHe's one of our 'SErvice Delivery Managers'17:44
bigcalmIs there a crontab setting that might be disabling sending mail by default? I'm scratching my head with this client's server17:51
MartijnVdSbigcalm: only by disabling cron.. you could set MAILTO= to some invalid/nullrouted address18:06
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bigcalmI have a file of crontab jobs in /etc/cron.d/. If I edit that file, when would the changes take effect?18:11
MartijnVdSthe moment cron notices the file to be changed18:13
* bigcalm grumbles at this server18:17
bigcalmI wonder if there is a problem with this file of cronjobs18:20
MartijnVdSbigcalm: restart crond and check syslog18:21
MartijnVdSbigcalm: it'll grumble there if there's a broken file18:21
bigcalmTa :)18:21
MartijnVdSbigcalm: but only once.. so if you put a broken crontab somewhere, it will *ignore* it (permissions wrong = broken too)18:21
bigcalmMartijnVdS: so I see!18:22
bigcalmJan 22 18:22:01 localhost cron[9591]: (*system*td-mail-crons) WRONG FILE OWNER (/etc/cron.d/td-mail-crons)18:22
bigcalmThis is annoying :)18:22
MartijnVdSthose files should be root:root18:22
bigcalmJan 22 18:24:01 localhost cron[9591]: (*system*td-mail-crons) INSECURE MODE (group/other writable) (/etc/cron.d/td-mail-crons)18:24
MartijnVdSbut yeah it only warns once per restart I think.. and maybe once every time you change the file or change permissions on the file18:24
bigcalmWe're using jenkins for automatic deployment of a project. One of the bits is a crontab job file18:24
MartijnVdSthat must be able to set permissions18:25
bigcalmI understand that the file needs to be secure18:26
bigcalmBut getting this crontab file deployed automatically is proving a tad annoying18:26
Rix0nHi, I've not dabbled in linux/ubuntu for a while, and I'm running 12.04... I've forgotten the name of the package I need to be able to mount NTFS filesystems. I've enabled the universe and multiverse sources but still can't find what I'm looking for.18:28
bigcalmJan 22 18:28:01 localhost cron[9591]: Error: bad minute; while reading /etc/cron.d/td-mail-crons18:28
Rix0noh wait i take that back, I just installed restricted-extras and I can now browse them18:28
bigcalmJan 22 18:28:01 localhost cron[9591]: (*system*td-mail-crons) ERROR (Syntax error, this crontab file will be ignored)18:28
* bigcalm sighs18:28
bigcalmAh, I think that error is down to a comment line of ###########################18:31
bigcalmI think cron expects all comments to start with '# ' (space)18:32
bigcalmEvery line in the crontab file is commented out and yet it still complains about 'bad minute'18:47
bigcalmI think I might give up for the evening18:47
bigcalmShower before LUG I think18:47
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DJonesHeh, unusual (and puts things into perspective in the real world) response to a software support request https://twitter.com/andrey_butov/status/426018565561401344/photo/119:07
RaxMattbigcalm: nope19:40
MartijnVdSaw poo. I lost my Debian keyring PGP key about a decade ago in a disk crash :(20:45
MartijnVdS(not that I don't already have all of Valve's games..)20:46
Laneyfuture ones!22:24

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