[05:18] <Kilos> hi mazal and others
[05:19] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:21] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/monkey1.jpg
[05:21] <Symmetria> !
[05:48] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[05:49] <bduk1> More Kilos en almal
[05:52] <Kilos> wbb
[05:54] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:54] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos good morning
[05:54] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:59] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[06:06] <Kilos> bbl
[06:09] <magespawn> good morning 
[06:14] <Private_User> morning all
[06:19] <magespawn> hi Private_User 
[06:20] <Private_User> hello magespawn 
[06:24] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:25] <Private_User> hi Kilos 
[06:27] <Kilos> hi Private_User ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:35] <Kilos> :-)
[07:06] <SmilyBorg> Morning folks
[07:08]  * Kilos needs to spend time fighting modems. this timeout thing sucks
[07:10] <Kilos> wbb
[07:12] <mazal> Guys anybody here use Xubuntu ? I'm trying to find a " recent files " menu or option , but can't find any
[07:13] <magespawn> howdy SmilyBorg mazal 
[07:13] <mazal> Hi magespawn 
[07:55] <somaunn> hi charl
[07:55] <somaunn> hi magespawn
[08:11] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:11] <inetpro> yes please
[08:12] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[08:12] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay
[08:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and inetpro!
[08:31] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[08:31] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[08:34] <nuvolari> hi somaunn, inetpro
[08:34] <somaunn> hi inetpro
[08:35] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:35] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[08:35] <charl> morning inetpro 
[08:37]  * Kilos came again back
[08:37] <somaunn> hi Kilos
[08:37] <Kilos> hi somaunn 
[08:38] <Kilos> good to see you have become part of our community now
[08:52] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos :->
[08:52] <Kilos> dag se nuvolari  hoe gaanit?
[08:52] <Kilos> :-)
[08:58] <somaunn> Kilos: 
[08:58] <somaunn> Kilos: yeah
[08:58] <somaunn> one of my goals is to open people eyes so the  can see linux and opensource is the best way to go
[08:59] <somaunn> which is not easy to do 
[09:02] <somaunn> Kilos: do you know about secure ninja ?
[09:02] <Kilos> nope somaunn ?
[09:03] <Kilos> spread the word for ubuntu more than anything
[09:04] <Kilos> i want 50 people here then i can retire
[09:05] <somaunn> Kilos: already started, i'm preparing a sort of HackFest with an install party So peoples can discover Linux with Ubuntu/Fedora as top STAR
[09:05] <somaunn> 50 Peoples in this channel
[09:05] <Kilos> yes
[09:05] <Kilos> if fedora is like centos then i wont like it
[09:06] <Kilos> oh there is help for centos noobs , nuvolari runs them all day
[09:07] <Kilos> this is the best most helpful of all the linux channels im sure
[09:11] <somaunn> Kilos: Fedora is more like ubuntu but making use Gnome Shell 3.10
[09:11] <charl> hi Kilos 
[09:11] <somaunn> it's good
[09:11] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:12] <Kilos> ill hang with ubuntu till i cant use it anymore
[09:12] <somaunn> nuvolari: i want to be part of your help session for centos noobs
[09:12] <somaunn> nuvolari: is there a specific channel i have to join ?
[09:12] <Kilos> looking forward to 14.04 in kde definitely and will check if unity is getting better
[09:13] <Kilos> all help is here
[09:13] <inetpro> Kilos: if we have 50 peeps in here all chatting away you will have to retire
[09:13] <Kilos> just remember the guys are busy somaunn 
[09:13] <inetpro> you won't be able to cope with any conversation
[09:13] <Kilos> rofl
[09:13] <Kilos> yeah i cant keep up
[09:14] <Kilos> hi trender 
[09:14] <trender> yo
[09:14] <Maaz> trender: trender: By the way, you have a pile of memos waiting for you, too many to read out in public. PM me
[09:14] <inetpro> Maaz: what's for lunch?
[09:14] <Maaz> inetpro: It feels like a KFC day
[09:14] <inetpro> hmm...
[09:14] <Kilos> yummy
[09:15] <inetpro> first time I see Maaz telling peeps to PM him
[09:15] <Kilos> lol
[09:18] <magespawn> hi Kilos you staying around this time?
[09:18] <magespawn> hi inetpro 
[09:18] <magespawn> hi somaunn 
[09:19] <Kilos> magespawn, hi man , it was late
[09:19] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg hows the girl?
[09:21] <SmilyBorg> Hi Kilos. Doing ok. Still unemployed though. Got a lead on a possible programming job though which could be good. How you doing?
[09:21]  * Kilos holds thumbs for you
[09:21] <Kilos> im good ty
[09:24] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:24] <psyatw> hi SmilyBorg
[09:24] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:24] <psyatw> hi inetpro
[09:25] <psyatw> hi somaunn
[09:25] <psyatw> hi trender
[09:25] <trender> yo yo
[09:29] <inetpro> oh hi psyatw
[09:30] <inetpro> and nuvolari, charl and mage[tab]
[09:31] <Kilos> hehe
[09:39] <Kilos> mage has become a yoyo lately
[09:42] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[09:42] <Kilos> yoyo again
[09:51] <magespawn> indeed
[11:44] <charl> hi psyatw 
[11:44] <charl> hi magespawn 
[11:44] <psyatw> hi charl
[11:44] <psyatw> hello magespawn
[11:45] <charl> magespawn's connection is as stable as a tortoise on a unicycle
[11:59] <Kilos> lol
[11:59] <Kilos> adsl magespawn ?
[11:59] <Kilos> hi charl 
[12:02] <charl> hi Kilos 
[12:49] <liamT> gleetings
[12:50] <Kilos> hi liamT 
[13:00] <jhb_hacker> hi there
[13:02] <Kilos> hi jhb_hacker 
[13:02] <Kilos> long time no see
[13:03] <jhb_hacker> long time indeed, ive been exploring elementaryOS all this time
[13:04] <Kilos> ok
[13:04] <Kilos> and elemenaryos cant find ubuntu-za
[13:04] <Kilos> bad os
[13:05] <jhb_hacker> ?
[13:05] <Kilos> we have a meeing next tueasday night at 8.30pm hey
[13:05] <Kilos> come join us \
[13:05] <magespawn> hi psyatw charl
[13:05] <Kilos> here
[13:05] <jhb_hacker> no problem
[13:05] <Kilos> gonna do some discussing the net in za
[13:05] <Kilos> look for solutions i hope
[14:06] <Golynx> Hi Kilos . I think i will switch to the Xfce-desktop in Ubuntu. Its 140MB in the repositories.
[14:06] <Kilos> ok
[14:07] <Kilos> its in synaptic
[14:07] <Golynx> Yes
[14:07] <Kilos> then it will show what all is needed
[14:08] <Golynx> Ticked marked and ticked Apply, that gave me 140MB. Plus some basic apps aswell, like word processor and music player stuff
[14:08] <Kilos> cool
[14:09] <Golynx> Thats what i want, a effectsless desktop environment
[14:09] <Golynx> If i knew it sooner iwould've had it by now
[14:10] <Kilos> goodd
[14:11] <Kilos> many peeps like xfce
[14:11] <Kilos> i didnt
[14:11] <Golynx> Since the gpu takes up over 200MB ram and whats left is 740MB. Unity is wasting extra space
[14:11] <Kilos> prefer kde and unity
[14:12] <Golynx> Ya if you got the hardware for them
[14:13] <Golynx> So Xfce with all its minimal everything, will work for me. 
[14:13] <Kilos> im  running unity on a 2.8g cpu with 1g ram
[14:13] <Kilos> bit slow but useable
[14:13] <Kilos> ya its much faster
[14:14] <Golynx> Yes unity is usuable by me too, but still a bit much on the hardware use side
[14:15] <Kilos> thats the nice part about ubuntu you can add on other gui's and choose at boot time which one to use
[14:15] <Golynx> I will use the full unity when i got a pc that can handle  that
[14:15] <Kilos> just above where you type in password on login there is a little icon on the top right of the window
[14:16] <Kilos> thats where you choose
[14:17] <Golynx> Ya i like that option too. I was always using Unity 3d , then found that way to change to 2D. But 2D unity still a bit much, so Xfce will have to do
[14:17] <Kilos> ya unity is a bit heavy
[14:17] <Kilos> loves lotsa ram
[14:18] <Kilos> im gonna start building custom pcs so you can get one from me one day
[14:19] <Golynx> I saw some figures of Unity using 400MB ram ,and Xubuntu using 190MB on a same benchmark
[14:19] <Kilos> i couldnt even get unity installed with under 640m
[14:19] <Golynx> ya i will like to have a pc you built
[14:20] <Kilos> but then maybe it because of old hardware
[14:21] <Kilos> will work out prices
[14:22] <Kilos> the killer in pcs is the cpu cost
[14:22] <Golynx> Thats true. I just want a basic interface, like winxp will do fine as a look. Fancy Gui's is not what i want now. 
[14:22] <Golynx> Ya thats true. A core i3 will be fine too
[14:23] <Kilos> bottom of the range will be a dual core 3ghx with 4g ram
[14:23] <Golynx> Aslong as it dont cost more than 7k
[14:23] <Kilos> just built one , it flies
[14:23] <Kilos> nope
[14:24] <Golynx> Ah cool
[14:24] <Kilos> i3 is 1200 just for the cpu
[14:24] <Kilos> dual for R600
[14:25] <Golynx> Is intel really better than AMD
[14:25] <Kilos> that ewxtra 500 can nearly get a 500gB hdd
[14:26] <Kilos> i have never tried any amd stuff
[14:29] <inetpro> eish
[14:29] <Kilos> what inetpro ?
[14:29] <inetpro> who's running ntp.is.co.za ?
[14:29] <Kilos> what is it
[14:29] <inetpro> time server
[14:29] <Kilos> ?
[14:30] <Kilos> set your time manually
[14:30] <Kilos> hehe
[14:30] <inetpro> looks like their ntpd is down since a day after our attack last week
[14:30] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[14:30] <Kilos> bring it up in the meet tuesday next
[14:30] <Kilos> ai!
[14:30] <inetpro> plenty of resources rely on the time service man
[14:31] <Kilos> oh ok
[14:31] <inetpro> see http://www.time.org.za/
[14:32] <Kilos> you want me to read all that?
[14:32] <Kilos> ai!
[14:32] <inetpro> ok hang on, I suspect there's something else playing here
[14:33] <inetpro> the traffic might be blocked further down the line
[14:33] <Kilos> oh cant you get it to open
[14:33] <Golynx> Ai, everytime the modem overheats it disconnects
[14:33] <Kilos> ai!
[14:34] <Kilos> put fan or get new one
[14:34] <Kilos> what modem?
[14:34] <Kilos> of dothought it was inetpro 
[14:34] <Kilos> you can remove the cover then they maintain better
[14:35] <Golynx> Its a hot summer day here though i'm sweating. Dunno if its that too
[14:35] <Kilos> matches your lappy that modem
[14:35] <Golynx> Its a usb stick modem
[14:35] <Kilos> modems are supposed to work even in hot weather
[14:36] <Kilos> ian had one did same as yours
[14:36] <Kilos> removing the cover sorted the prob
[14:36] <Golynx> The usb pin gets too hot to touch then it disconnects
[14:37] <Kilos> whew
[14:37] <Kilos> not heat from the lappy?
[14:38] <Golynx> My system temperature readings are below 60 though
[14:38] <Kilos> feel around the usb socket
[14:39] <Kilos> try the modem in another one maybe
[14:39] <Golynx> The lappy is hot, but the hard drive is cooking 
[14:39] <Kilos> you work too hard
[14:40] <Golynx> Feels cooler where the modem is plugged in. Just the modem itself is so hot
[14:41] <Golynx> Nope hardly visit sites
[14:42] <Kilos> thats an unhappy lappy that
[14:42] <Kilos> where did you get it?
[15:04] <magespawn> later all
[15:04] <Kilos> oh my inetpro wat breek jy
[15:05] <inetpro> eish nee, ek's onskuldig
[15:05] <Kilos> ok
[15:13] <Golynx> The modem wont connect with other ports. It gives the same heat though
[15:14] <Golynx> But thats ok, its probably the weather here affecting it
[15:15] <Kilos> whew
[15:57] <Golynx> ai!
[15:57] <Kilos> lol
[15:58] <Golynx> Will see if thiings improve when the wheather is cooler
[16:02] <Kilos> yeah
[16:02] <Kilos> you got no breeze there?
[16:03] <Golynx> Ya breeze here coming in the room, but humidity is a bit high
[16:06] <Golynx> Dunno why they ship firefox as default in Xfce-desktop. I dont think its that lightweight
[16:08] <Kilos> nope
[16:08] <Kilos> but its everybodys favourite browser
[16:09] <Golynx> Ya its a great browser for web developers
[16:09] <Golynx> got many debug features too, and plugins for everything
[20:02] <somaunn> hi guys
[20:04] <Kilos> hi somaunn 
[20:13] <somaunn> hi Kilos
[20:13] <somaunn> what's new here
[20:13] <Kilos> same old. quiet
[20:14] <somaunn> was out for a long long time
[20:18] <Kilos> yeah
[20:46] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight