[00:02] brainwash: just pushed a configurable screensaver-timeout... (default is 60secs now) [00:07] So what am i taking from Unit193's version? Just his new patch? [00:09] Noskcaj: i did a complete new patch, but the diff is just one line [00:09] ochosi, that's the accountsservice one? [00:09] yes [00:09] I said something to brain as he's interested in the transition thing. :P [00:10] it now checks only for the first workspace's wallpaper, not the most recently changed wallpaper [00:10] somehow it makes more sense like this, because workspace 1 is always shown on login [00:10] (unless you add some startup magic...) [00:11] so true [00:12] So I just copy all the patches from unit's version, refresh them, and done [00:13] ...Unless you're working on a different version, why would you refresh? [00:13] quilt likes to add a header that is rather useful [00:14] speaking of which, those patches should probably get DEP8 headers [00:14] I had to re-work the nautilus one too, things changed. These have the DEP headers. [00:14] yep. your right [00:15] Okay... I was starting to wonder if you were looking at some other source. [00:15] And what exactly is quilt mangleing? [00:15] probably some form of patch death [00:18] Check the changelog, I ignored it. Also, I fixed a lintian warning about declaring what section more than once, not sure if it was xfwm or xfdesktop so you may want to re-add for a closer sync. :P [00:19] I only copied the patches across. I'd fix that lintian warning in debian, but it's tedious and doesn't damage anything. [00:32] ochosi: another useful addition, and with this amount of changes we surely need another release soon :) [00:33] yup, maybe [00:33] we'll see, i guess we need to check what's on the roadmap for 1.8 [00:35] I see, "Improve keyboard-navigation" [00:36] we might wanna add more kb-shortcuts, like Alt+F4 at some point [00:37] useful, especially for people who dislike using the mouse [00:37] like me [00:38] * Unit193 wonders if he should show xombrero to brainwash, decides not to and runs. [00:39] looks interesting [01:23] bluesabre-laptop, When do you think you'll get catfish's next release out? [01:24] The same with mugshot [02:43] ochosi: I might have found an explanation for our current abiword ruler problem [02:48] ochosi: the rulers are GtkDrawingAreas, setting the gobject property "double-buffered" to FALSE prevents the glitch [03:15] Noskcaj: hopefully sometime this week for both, definitely at least one of them [03:15] awesome [04:18] Noskcaj: you can't merge branches for stable releases unless it's into -proposed [04:19] micahg, ok. I wasn't really sure of the process. Hopefully whoever sponsors it will put the changes where they are meant to go [04:19] Noskcaj: that diff is ridiculous in the MR, can you provide a debdiff pleasE? [04:20] I can't right now, but it was adding the two patches from debian and forcing xdt-autogen to run, just like in trusty [04:21] there's a lot of noise from the .pc dir [04:22] this is one reason I don't like bzr merges [04:23] That bit is very understandable [04:24] But could you please sponsor the xfce stuff anyway? [04:29] Noskcaj: if http://paste.ubuntu.com/6795392/ applies, I'll sponsor it (well, without the noise for the 06_fix-suspend-auth-check.patch patch [04:30] :) [04:31] Noskcaj: actually, the 06_add-shutdown-reboot-functionality-for-systemd.patch needs dep-3 headers [04:32] Noskcaj: if you want to paste those somewhere or PM, I can add them and upload [04:33] well, test building now [04:33] I don't know the history of the patch, other than it was from debian. I forget who did the rest of the work for this one [04:33] svn blame? [04:34] Suse, wasn't it? [04:34] Or, bts. [04:36] Yeah, SUSE originally [04:37] so Origin: OpenSUSUE [04:37] Debian-Bug: #727605 [04:37] bug 727605 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "notinc só." [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727605 [04:37] Bug-Debian I think is the proper notation [04:37] Yes, you're right [04:39] then Bug-Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021 [04:39] Ubuntu bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu Saucy) "[SRU] xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [High,In progress] [04:39] I'm not sure what to put for description [04:39] And then that would be it [04:42] micahg: Indeed, not interested in doing merges because of bzr. [04:42] Unit193, there are other ways [04:47] micahg, When you've merged this, i'll propose a merge to trusty for bug 1067749 as an excuse to add the header there [04:47] bug 1067749 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Screen refuses to dim on battery" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067749 [04:59] still waiting, going to sleep soon [05:00] for? [05:00] dep3-headers [05:00] I though you where putting them in with what i'd already said, sorry. [05:01] can you PM me the whole block [05:01] please [05:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6795501/ [05:04] Noskcaj: what about the note here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727605#10 [05:04] Debian bug 727605 in xfce4-power-manager "Add support for systemd inhibit API" [Normal,Open] [05:04] or did we lose upower in saucy [05:04] I'm a little behind the times [05:05] micahg, I'm not 100% sure, but i think it's ok since we've tested this in trusty and saucy for quite a while with no issues [05:05] plus corsac added it to debian svn [05:05] ok [05:08] upower is very much there. [05:09] ok, maybe add test notes to make sure that use case gets tested [05:10] will do. [05:18] thanks micahg. [05:18] Is there any chance your lack of time will be fixed soonish? [05:19] probably going to be a bit more, I'll try to find some hours for sponsoring [05:20] :) [05:20] I apologizes in advance for my use of bzr for everything [05:20] haha, not your fault, it's encouraged [05:31] night all [05:32] Noskcaj: thanks for the fix [05:37] g'night micahg [05:56] Mica: Thanks. [07:41] hey elfy [07:41] morning [07:43] Any chance of a call for testing soonish for power manager (saucy) and weather-plugin (precise)? [07:44] micah has sponsored power manager, and infinity has said he can sync weather-plugin if testers are ready [07:47] do people still use saucy? [07:47] :p [07:47] I'll fit it in - but if it's SRU stuff better to be done via LP bugs as is normal [08:31] elfy, it has been [08:35] brainwash: have you reported that upstream already? [09:36] morning all [10:54] ali1234, ? [10:56] hi [10:56] ali1234, do you have the script to download all original sized attachments from a ubuntu wiki page handy? [10:56] somewhere [10:57] ok, if you could dig it up, i would have a use for it... [10:57] (the same as the last time, picking up the wallpaper submissions) [10:58] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6796659/ [10:59] ochosi: no, 1) no abiword bugtracker account and more importantly 2) I just observed it by experimenting with gtkparasite, so I would need to check the source and rebuild abiword [11:01] is the new xubuntu 14.04 default wallpaper already available? or some work in progress? [11:01] ali1234, ta [11:04] bluesabre-laptop: you around? [11:06] knome: ping [11:06] slickymaster, dong [11:09] knome: do you have mugshot on your system? [11:09] nope [11:10] well, thing is that I'm not getting my digital camera to appear listed in mugshot upon clicking the image button [11:10] any ideas? [11:12] bluesabre-laptop: ^^^ [11:28] slickymaster: install gstreamer1.0-tools [11:28] I need to add that to recommends in my ppa [11:39] bluesabre-laptop: installing gstreamer1.o-tools didn't solve it [11:41] maybe gstreamer1.0-x or gstreamer1.0-libav [11:41] ok, going to try it [11:42] bluesabre-laptop: still no dice [11:49] bluesabre-laptop: any other options that cross your mind? [11:51] bbl [12:31] slickymaster: here's what I have installed, http://dpaste.com/1564260/ [12:32] bluesabre-laptop: ok, I'll check if I have all those installed om my box [13:08] Finally got this typed up: http://smdavis.us/2014/01/22/menulibre-2-0-released-trusty-ppa-available/ [13:09] gotta go to work, bbl [14:34] alpha 2 tomorrow? [14:52] what are the requirements for 14.04? [14:53] epll45831: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#The_Target [14:54] thanks [17:12] bbl -> [17:20] 8 people reporting for alpha2 [17:20] no wonder why I get so fed up with wasting my time [17:25] knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1628change/+merge/202716 [17:28] elfy: how are you wasting your time? [17:28] 8 people? [17:29] we'd probably get that many if I didn't bother [17:29] I do lots of testing, but no iso testing [17:29] I guess others do as well [17:30] right, and especially now we would need more test results [17:30] LTS [17:31] I know [17:37] elfy: you could announce the alpha 2 release in Ubuntu +1 (forum) and call for additional testers :) [17:39] too bad that the alpha release still does not contain some of the exiting new features to lure people to do some testing [17:53] brainwash: that's ok up to the point gnome/lubuntu/kubuntu do the same :p [17:54] yea - hopefully we'll have them all there for beta1, but who knows [17:54] any later than that and someone else can worry about testing [18:10] brainwash: that said we get full marks :p "Testing still needs to start for Edubuntu and Ubuntu Kylin. Full marks to Xubuntu and Ubuntu Gnome for getting theirs done." [19:02] Noskcaj: hey - I ended up wandering off to work this morning and not talking to you further re for power manager (saucy) and weather-plugin (precise) [19:02] that's fine, i wasn't there either [19:03] if they've been checked as part of the sru process - is there any need to do more? [19:05] for bug 1244629, we need people to check, since it will just be a sync. and for saucy people need to check upower still works fine [19:05] bug 1244629 in xfce4-weather-plugin (Ubuntu Precise) "SRU xfce4-weather-plugin, currently showing 'No Data'" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1244629 [19:09] Noskcaj: make a call after tomorrow - there's nothing on our schedule between now and feb 6th [19:10] ok.If corsac is around soonish to sponsor 3.3.1, maybe a gthumb call too [19:10] ochosi, Do we want light locker 1.1 for trusty or stay at 1.0? [19:10] ok - but come beginning of february there's going to be calls constantly for packages and images [19:11] !team [19:11] bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [19:11] ^^ that - so don't leave it too late [19:13] :P [19:14] shall be doing some testing at about 9pm, possibly sooner [19:14] :) [19:28] elfy, waah? [19:30] knome: pedal? [19:34] pinging people [19:34] yea [19:34] is there another way to tell people that they've not got long left [19:34] for what? [19:34] :P [19:35] come beginning of february there's going to be calls constantly for packages and images [19:35] yep. [19:35] but personally I'm coming around to the point of view that I could just send mails out go blah blah blah and it'd not make any difference at all to the result [19:36] i'm getting into the QA loop more and more [19:36] even mor hurdles are now overcome [19:36] :) [19:36] I'm not pointing fingers knome [19:37] i am, me fingers point at me :P [19:38] :) [19:38] I'm not getting on an airplane for 30 whole days, so I should have some time for testing [19:38] (and have pre-alpha images prepped for testing tonight, woo) [19:38] oh yay [19:39] I appreciate the reminder emails :) [19:39] serious point - do you see any point in getting it rebuilt re "If any gtk using flavours want it in alpha 2 please let me or another archive admin" which refers to [19:39] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260396 [19:39] Ubuntu bug 1260396 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Trusty) "Ubiquity window spans width of screen" [High,Fix released] [19:39] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260473 [19:39] Ubuntu bug 1260473 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The slide bar that allow to rezise the partition does not appear" [High,Fix released] [19:40] personally I don't [19:40] no [19:40] elfy, stgraber said it's stuck on a queue, so not worth it... [19:40] but hooray for it being fixed [19:40] just a note in release notes about it landing too late [19:41] knome: ok [19:41] note about something we don't have? [19:41] * knome doesn't understand [19:41] just don't mention it, if it hasn't landed and we didn't promise it to! [19:41] it makes the installer window look very wonky, people will notice :) [19:42] pleia2: I also want to list those who tested like we did last time [19:42] elfy: yes! [19:43] * elfy wanders off to mark alpha2 as released to catch out people who keep saying they'll test manana :p [19:44] too late to test? [19:44] pleia2, they want to release it some time after noon UTC today [19:44] err, [19:44] tomorrow [19:44] today [19:45] ? [19:45] yea - tomorrow [19:45] pleia2: no - it's not too late - I'll mark it tomorrow morning sometime around 0700UTC [19:45] okie [19:45] unless knome has a problem with that :p [19:45] not at all [19:46] k [19:46] having more time to test would be good, I was all ready to test on monday! [19:46] was a bank holiday here, would have been great [19:46] elfy knows better what the situation re: being ready to release is anyway [19:46] pleia2: all our's are done, testcase wise - but more eyes never hurts [19:46] * pleia2 nods [19:47] unless they pop in in weird places, like ears :/ [19:47] "Full marks to Xubuntu and Ubuntu Gnome for getting theirs done." [19:47] is what we got :) [19:47] oh, eyes on ears, yes, that would be odd [19:47] marks, like the old finnish or danish marks? :P [19:47] yep [19:48] full marks in any currency you like :D [19:48] lol [19:48] you can only have full marks in mark-currencies! [19:48] * knome stops being silly and goes help the wife in kitchenwork [19:48] I got more than full marks in a maths exam - still no idea how they worked that out [19:50] knome: when you get back ping me re that merge and bug === jackson is now known as Guest4739 [19:59] elfy, I got 100% in a negative marked exam once. Was tempted to ask if the machine they used to do the multiple choice test was broken :P [20:00] :) [20:04] elfy, what merge and bug? [20:05] https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1628change/+merge/202716 [20:06] or we should make that testcase optional http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1628/info [20:06] or I'll be failing it close to each and everytime [20:06] * knome shrugs [20:06] what do you think? [20:07] well ... all of the things we test then get tested elsewhere anyway for one [20:07] but if we're going to test it then it shouldn't be failable just because of wording [20:08] though each seperate thing says 'if ... ' [20:08] yeaah... [20:09] mmm [20:09] dunno, i can merge if you want [20:10] I'd rather do that I think [20:10] I know it's not much - but then I'm checking all of them as I go through them for things like that [20:14] elfy, done [20:15] thanks knome :) [20:15] np [20:28] ok, some bugs, at least from my understanding, http://goput.it/122r.png <<< there is no default list of backgrounds available, it doesnt show the default background neither [20:29] on 1024x768 the sudoku screen doesnt show complete, its like its default is larger than 1024px wich makes no sense http://goput.it/v/sou4.png [20:29] and this might not be a bug, but why does pavucontrol has white parts? http://goput.it/bims.png [20:30] white here [20:31] GridCube: first one - you've got folder set to none - what happens if it's not [20:31] last one looks like a theming bug [20:31] elfy, that lets me choose my default home folder or the images folder, either of which have no images on them [20:32] perhaps it's a bug then :) [20:33] http://goput.it/70l4.png [20:34] knome: and my final 'I'm not sure why we even' for today - live session "Use and execute the default applications found for the desktop enviroment being run" [20:34] why? [20:34] GridCube, can you file a bug for that, against xfdesktop [20:34] and why not "Use and execute the default applications found for the desktop enviroment being run" then report the results on the package tracker" [20:35] knome, kk [20:35] elfy, the point was to gather random/exploratory testing bugs rather than the same old package tests [20:35] elfy, so people can test random things, and if they appear in the ISO test... well, the bugs are at least filed [20:35] elfy, we should probably expect people find those with the package tests as well, but those can never cover 100% [20:36] ok I can go with that - but that's a lot of default packages :p [20:36] well... again, the point is to not restrict people to do certain kid of testing [20:37] *kind [20:37] ok - I'll go back into my box now :) [20:37] could be reworded to "do what you usually do", but otoh, that would again restrict people from thinking out of the box [20:37] if you get what i'm saying [20:38] yea - better not to do that [20:38] knome, http://goput.it/hxv8.png [20:38] so yep, i think the current wording is fine until somebody comes up with a better wording :P [20:38] will do it manually from this other vm [20:38] on the whole I'm quite relaxed about that now we've got packages going [20:38] GridCube, i think it's just xfdesktop [20:38] oh, hmm [20:38] that package doesnt exists [20:38] !info xfdesktop [20:38] !info xfdesktop4 [20:38] xfdesktop4 [20:38] Package xfdesktop does not exist in saucy [20:39] xfdesktop4 (source: xfdesktop4): xfce desktop background, icons and root menu manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.10.2-3ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 150 kB, installed size 500 kB [20:39] ok, weird.. [20:39] oh, ah, [20:39] did one of the 'ppa' things get in [20:39] did you enable PPA's? [20:39] yeah, that's why it says so [20:39] me? [20:40] if it's not a PPA, something else might be going on [20:40] for now, i think you can still gather the data for the bug with ubuntu-bug [20:40] if not, just file one manually [20:40] that's a trivial thing; we need to set a sane default directory [20:43] i have not set any ppa its just a default installation [20:44] bug #1271713 [20:44] bug 1271713 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "xubuntu 14.04 trusty thar desktop wallpapers selection shows empty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271713 [20:44] GridCube: that's odd - works ok here for the live image [20:45] im using the i386 iso [20:45] if that means anything [20:45] ok - not looked at those I'm afraid [20:46] can't think of any reason why the arch would matter [20:46] no idea [20:47] then again why would ubuntu-bug xfdesktop4 work ok here for me [20:50] elfy, perhaps the latest version you have is from the repos? [20:50] Noskcaj: then why is the 32 bit image not using the latest [20:50] and why is it using one apparently from a ppa? [20:51] i've got no idea. [20:51] that's 4 of us then :p [20:53] :/ [20:54] should i file a bug report about it [20:54] ? [20:54] the ubuntu-bug thing? [20:57] GridCube: ^^ [20:58] yes [20:58] you can - but it'll fester forever I'd guess [20:58] I me too'd the desktop settings one [20:59] bug 1271720 [20:59] bug 1271720 in gnome-sudoku (Ubuntu) "gnome sudoku default screen is larger than 1024px wide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271720 [21:02] knome: I see what you mean by "reworded to "do what you usually do"" GridCube apparently plays games and fiddles with the wallpaper :p [21:03] P: i do that [21:03] :) [21:03] I'd be reporting that clementine doesn't install and play music :) [21:04] me too'd the sudoku one as well :) [21:06] can't horozontally resize it either [21:06] GridCube: ^^ [21:07] no [21:07] its stuck at more than 1024 [21:07] i cant resize it even here in 13.04 [21:07] oh yea - read your bug properly now lol [21:07] that's really annoying for someone who uses it ... [21:11] i would assume so [21:11] true is that 1024 screens are less usual nowdays, but still [21:12] it makes no sense why it would not resize if the sudoku itself resizes [21:12] it works in Ubuntu [21:13] odd [21:13] it does? [21:13] D: [21:14] yep - just asked balloons [21:14] thats relly weird [21:14] yea [21:17] GridCube: did pavucontrol look different before? it looks just as it did always to me [21:18] brainwash, http://goput.it/kbe4.png [21:19] mmh, now I'm not sure anymore :D [21:20] I looked at that in 64bit - was white - same as here on this machine [21:21] wonder if there's something odd going on with 32bit then [21:21] it should not be white [21:21] it should look like that last screenshot [21:22] well it's white here and on 64bit [21:22] GridCube: please open abiword, is the top ruler hidden behind a white area? [21:22] yes [21:22] elfy: there was some recent change which turned some grey theme elements white [21:22] same applies to abiword [21:22] i think i added that to the test report [21:23] brainwash: in ppa or properly? [21:23] elfy, heh :) [21:23] off, bbl [21:23] cya tomorrow [21:23] you too [21:23] but is not white brainwash [21:24] is grey http://goput.it/10h9.png [21:24] GridCube: is pavu white in the a2 ? [21:24] thought that's what you said earlier [21:24] http://goput.it/str/bims.png [21:25] yes is white [21:25] ok [21:25] so where's the grey one come from? [21:26] I'm confused now :p [21:26] well, it's just a minor theme glitch [21:26] white pavucontrol doesn't even look bad, looks almost perfectly normal [21:27] yep still needs reporting though - and GridCube has issues reporting with ubuntu-bug - it thinks he's got ppa's in the a2 live image [21:27] elfy, the grey is the way it used to look on 13.04 [21:27] which is weird as well [21:27] GridCube: I can't remember that far back :) [21:27] and everytime before that [21:27] run apt-cache policy xfdesktop4 [21:28] the sudoku thing is weird too [21:29] brainwash, http://goput.it/7di8.png [21:29] but maybe its because that box doesnt have a conection to the outside of the internet [21:29] and can't download the apt lists [21:30] ? [21:30] xubuntu doesnt let people set up proxies in easy ways [21:31] this would mean, that you cannot report anything via ubuntu-bug [21:31] true. but why would it say, http://goput.it/hxv8.png [21:32] it should says like "you are not connected to the internet" or something like that [21:32] Installed: 4.11.2-0ubuntu1 [21:32] Candidate: 4.11.2-0ubuntu1 [21:32] Version table: [21:32] *** 4.11.2-0ubuntu1 0 [21:32] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages [21:32] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [21:32] oops [21:32] /exec -o [21:32] is what I get in 64bit a2 [21:32] GridCube: inxi -r lists no ppas? [21:32] according to apt-cache it's listed a local package without repo source [21:33] Unit193, i can't install inxi with no internet [21:33]