[00:02] <ochosi> brainwash: just pushed a configurable screensaver-timeout... (default is 60secs now)
[00:07] <Noskcaj> So what am i taking from Unit193's version? Just his new patch?
[00:09] <ochosi> Noskcaj: i did a complete new patch, but the diff is just one line
[00:09] <Noskcaj> ochosi, that's the accountsservice one?
[00:09] <ochosi> yes
[00:09] <Unit193> I said something to brain as he's interested in the transition thing. :P
[00:10] <ochosi> it now checks only for the first workspace's wallpaper, not the most recently changed wallpaper
[00:10] <ochosi> somehow it makes more sense like this, because workspace 1 is always shown on login
[00:10] <ochosi> (unless you add some startup magic...)
[00:11] <brainwash> so true
[00:12] <Noskcaj> So I just copy all the patches from unit's version, refresh them, and done
[00:13] <Unit193> ...Unless you're working on a different version, why would you refresh?
[00:13] <Noskcaj> quilt likes to add a header that is rather useful
[00:14] <Noskcaj> speaking of which, those patches should probably get DEP8  headers
[00:14] <Unit193> I had to re-work the nautilus one too, things changed.  These have the DEP headers.
[00:14] <Noskcaj> yep. your right
[00:15] <Unit193> Okay...  I was starting to wonder if you were looking at some other source.
[00:15] <Unit193> And what exactly is quilt mangleing?
[00:15] <Noskcaj> probably some form of patch death
[00:18] <Unit193> Check the changelog, I ignored it.  Also, I fixed a lintian warning about declaring what section more than once, not sure if it was xfwm or xfdesktop so you may want to re-add for a closer sync. :P
[00:19] <Noskcaj> I only copied the patches across. I'd fix that lintian warning in debian, but it's tedious and doesn't damage anything.
[00:32] <brainwash> ochosi: another useful addition, and with this amount of changes we surely need another release soon :)
[00:33] <ochosi> yup, maybe
[00:33] <ochosi> we'll see, i guess we need to check what's on the roadmap for 1.8
[00:35] <brainwash> I see, "Improve keyboard-navigation"
[00:36] <ochosi> we might wanna add more kb-shortcuts, like Alt+F4 at some point
[00:37] <brainwash> useful, especially for people who dislike using the mouse
[00:37] <brainwash> like me
[00:38]  * Unit193 wonders if he should show xombrero to brainwash, decides not to and runs.
[00:39] <brainwash> looks interesting
[01:23] <Noskcaj> bluesabre-laptop, When do you think you'll get catfish's next release out?
[01:24] <Noskcaj> The same with mugshot
[02:43] <brainwash> ochosi: I might have found an explanation for our current abiword ruler problem
[02:48] <brainwash> ochosi: the rulers are GtkDrawingAreas, setting the gobject property "double-buffered" to FALSE prevents the glitch
[03:15] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: hopefully sometime this week for both, definitely at least one of them
[03:15] <Noskcaj> awesome
[04:18] <micahg> Noskcaj: you can't merge branches for stable releases unless it's into -proposed
[04:19] <Noskcaj> micahg, ok. I wasn't really sure of the process. Hopefully whoever sponsors it will put the changes where they are meant to go
[04:19] <micahg> Noskcaj: that diff is ridiculous in the MR, can you provide a debdiff pleasE?
[04:20] <Noskcaj> I can't right now, but it was adding the two patches from debian and forcing xdt-autogen to run, just like in trusty
[04:21] <micahg> there's a lot of noise from the .pc dir
[04:22] <micahg> this is one reason I don't like bzr merges
[04:23] <Noskcaj> That bit is very understandable
[04:24] <Noskcaj> But could you please sponsor the xfce stuff anyway?
[04:29] <micahg> Noskcaj: if http://paste.ubuntu.com/6795392/ applies, I'll sponsor it (well, without the noise for the 06_fix-suspend-auth-check.patch patch
[04:30] <Noskcaj> :)
[04:31] <micahg> Noskcaj: actually, the 06_add-shutdown-reboot-functionality-for-systemd.patch needs dep-3 headers
[04:32] <micahg> Noskcaj: if you want to paste those somewhere or PM, I can add them and upload
[04:33] <micahg> well, test building now
[04:33] <Noskcaj> I don't know the history of the patch, other than it was from debian. I forget who did the rest of the work for this one
[04:33] <micahg> svn blame?
[04:34] <Unit193> Suse, wasn't it?
[04:34] <Unit193> Or, bts.
[04:36] <Noskcaj> Yeah, SUSE originally
[04:37] <Noskcaj> so Origin: OpenSUSUE
[04:37] <Noskcaj> Debian-Bug: #727605
[04:37] <micahg> Bug-Debian I think is the proper notation
[04:37] <Noskcaj> Yes, you're right
[04:39] <Noskcaj> then Bug-Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021
[04:39] <Noskcaj> I'm not sure what to put for description
[04:39] <Noskcaj> And then that would be it
[04:42] <Unit193> micahg: Indeed, not interested in doing merges because of bzr.
[04:42] <Noskcaj> Unit193, there are other ways
[04:47] <Noskcaj> micahg, When you've merged this, i'll propose a merge to trusty for bug 1067749 as an excuse to add the header there
[04:59] <micahg> still waiting, going to sleep soon
[05:00] <Noskcaj> for?
[05:00] <micahg> dep3-headers
[05:00] <Noskcaj> I though you where putting them in with what i'd already said, sorry.
[05:01] <micahg> can you PM me the whole block
[05:01] <micahg> please
[05:02] <Noskcaj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6795501/
[05:04] <micahg> Noskcaj: what about the note here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727605#10
[05:04] <micahg> or did we lose upower in saucy
[05:04] <micahg> I'm a little behind the times
[05:05] <Noskcaj> micahg, I'm not 100% sure, but i think it's ok since we've tested this in trusty and saucy for quite a while with no issues
[05:05] <Noskcaj> plus corsac added it to debian svn
[05:05] <micahg> ok
[05:08] <Unit193> upower is very much there.
[05:09] <micahg> ok, maybe add test notes to make sure that use case gets tested
[05:10] <Noskcaj> will do.
[05:18] <Noskcaj> thanks micahg. 
[05:18] <Noskcaj> Is there any chance your lack of time will be fixed soonish?
[05:19] <micahg> probably going to be a bit more, I'll try to find some hours for sponsoring
[05:20] <Noskcaj> :)
[05:20] <Noskcaj> I apologizes in advance for my use of bzr for everything
[05:20] <micahg> haha, not your fault, it's encouraged
[05:31] <micahg> night all
[05:32] <micahg> Noskcaj: thanks for the fix
[05:37] <Noskcaj> g'night micahg
[05:56] <Unit193> Mica: Thanks.
[07:41] <Noskcaj> hey elfy 
[07:41] <elfy> morning
[07:43] <Noskcaj> Any chance of a call for testing soonish for power manager (saucy) and weather-plugin (precise)?
[07:44] <Noskcaj> micah has sponsored power manager, and infinity has said he can sync weather-plugin if testers are ready
[07:47] <elfy> do people still use saucy? 
[07:47] <elfy> :p
[07:47] <elfy> I'll fit it in - but if it's SRU stuff better to be done via LP bugs as is normal
[08:31] <Noskcaj> elfy, it  has been
[08:35] <ochosi> brainwash: have you reported that upstream already?
[09:36] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:54] <knome> ali1234, ?
[10:56] <ali1234> hi
[10:56] <knome> ali1234, do you have the script to download all original sized attachments from a ubuntu wiki page handy?
[10:56] <ali1234> somewhere
[10:57] <knome> ok, if you could dig it up, i would have a use for it...
[10:57] <knome> (the same as the last time, picking up the wallpaper submissions)
[10:58] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6796659/
[10:59] <brainwash> ochosi: no, 1) no abiword bugtracker account and more importantly 2) I just observed it by experimenting with gtkparasite, so I would need to check the source and rebuild abiword
[11:01] <brainwash> is the new xubuntu 14.04 default wallpaper already available? or some work in progress?
[11:01] <knome> ali1234, ta
[11:04] <slickymaster> bluesabre-laptop: you around?
[11:06] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[11:06] <knome> slickymaster, dong
[11:09] <slickymaster> knome: do you have mugshot on your system?
[11:09] <knome> nope
[11:10] <slickymaster> well, thing is that I'm not getting my digital camera to appear listed in mugshot upon clicking the image button
[11:10] <slickymaster> any ideas?
[11:12] <slickymaster> bluesabre-laptop: ^^^
[11:28] <bluesabre-laptop> slickymaster: install gstreamer1.0-tools
[11:28] <bluesabre-laptop> I need to add that to recommends in my ppa
[11:39] <slickymaster> bluesabre-laptop: installing gstreamer1.o-tools didn't solve it
[11:41] <bluesabre-laptop> maybe gstreamer1.0-x or gstreamer1.0-libav
[11:41] <slickymaster> ok, going to try it
[11:42] <slickymaster> bluesabre-laptop: still no dice
[11:49] <slickymaster> bluesabre-laptop: any other options that cross your mind?
[11:51] <knome> bbl
[12:31] <bluesabre-laptop> slickymaster: here's what I have installed, http://dpaste.com/1564260/
[12:32] <slickymaster> bluesabre-laptop: ok, I'll check if I have all those installed om my box
[13:08] <bluesabre-laptop> Finally got this typed up: http://smdavis.us/2014/01/22/menulibre-2-0-released-trusty-ppa-available/
[13:09] <bluesabre-laptop> gotta go to work, bbl
[14:34] <hjbvjhbvjdsfsdfd> alpha 2 tomorrow?
[14:52] <epll45831> what are the requirements for 14.04?
[14:53] <slickymaster> epll45831: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#The_Target
[14:54] <epll45831> thanks
[17:12] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[17:20] <elfy> 8 people reporting for alpha2
[17:20] <elfy> no wonder why I get so fed up with wasting my time
[17:25] <elfy> knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1628change/+merge/202716
[17:28] <brainwash> elfy: how are you wasting your time?
[17:28] <elfy> 8 people? 
[17:29] <elfy> we'd probably get that many if I didn't bother
[17:29] <brainwash> I do lots of testing, but no iso testing
[17:29] <elfy> I guess others do as well
[17:30] <brainwash> right, and especially now we would need more test results
[17:30] <brainwash> LTS
[17:31] <elfy> I know 
[17:37] <brainwash> elfy: you could announce the alpha 2 release in Ubuntu +1 (forum) and call for additional testers :)
[17:39] <brainwash> too bad that the alpha release still does not contain some of the exiting new features to lure people to do some testing
[17:53] <elfy> brainwash: that's ok up to the point gnome/lubuntu/kubuntu do the same :p
[17:54] <elfy> yea - hopefully we'll have them all there for beta1, but who knows 
[17:54] <elfy> any later than that and someone else can worry about testing
[18:10] <elfy> brainwash: that said we get full marks :p "Testing still needs to start for Edubuntu and Ubuntu Kylin.  Full marks to Xubuntu and Ubuntu Gnome for getting theirs done."
[19:02] <elfy> Noskcaj: hey - I ended up wandering off to work this morning and not talking to you further re for power manager (saucy) and weather-plugin (precise)
[19:02] <Noskcaj> that's fine, i wasn't there either
[19:03] <elfy> if they've been checked as part of the sru process - is there any need to do more?
[19:05] <Noskcaj> for bug 1244629, we need people to check, since it will just be a sync. and for saucy people need to check upower still works fine
[19:09] <elfy> Noskcaj: make a call after tomorrow - there's nothing on our schedule between now and feb 6th
[19:10] <Noskcaj> ok.If corsac is around soonish to sponsor 3.3.1, maybe a gthumb call too
[19:10] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Do we want light locker 1.1 for trusty or stay at 1.0?
[19:10] <elfy> ok - but come beginning of february there's going to be calls constantly for packages and images
[19:11] <elfy> !team 
[19:11] <elfy> ^^ that - so don't leave it too late 
[19:13] <lderan> :P
[19:14] <lderan> shall be doing some testing at about 9pm, possibly sooner
[19:14] <elfy> :)
[19:28] <knome> elfy, waah?
[19:30] <elfy> knome: pedal?
[19:34] <knome> pinging people
[19:34] <elfy> yea
[19:34] <elfy> is there another way to tell people that they've not got long left
[19:34] <knome> for what?
[19:34] <knome> :P
[19:35] <elfy> come beginning of february there's going to be calls constantly for packages and images
[19:35] <knome> yep.
[19:35] <elfy> but personally I'm coming around to the point of view that I could just send mails out go blah blah blah and it'd not make any difference at all to the result
[19:36] <knome> i'm getting into the QA loop more and more
[19:36] <knome> even mor hurdles are now overcome
[19:36] <elfy> :)
[19:36] <elfy> I'm not pointing fingers knome 
[19:37] <knome> i am, me fingers point at me :P
[19:38] <elfy> :)
[19:38] <pleia2> I'm not getting on an airplane for 30 whole days, so I should have some time for testing
[19:38] <pleia2> (and have pre-alpha images prepped for testing tonight, woo)
[19:38] <knome> oh yay
[19:39] <pleia2> I appreciate the reminder emails :)
[19:39] <elfy> serious point - do you see any point in getting it rebuilt re "If any gtk using flavours want it in alpha 2 please let me or another archive admin" which refers to 
[19:39] <elfy>                 https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260396
[19:39] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260473
[19:40] <elfy> personally I don't 
[19:40] <pleia2> no
[19:40] <knome> elfy, stgraber said it's stuck on a queue, so not worth it...
[19:40] <pleia2> but hooray for it being fixed
[19:40] <pleia2> just a note in release notes about it landing too late
[19:41] <elfy> knome: ok
[19:41] <knome> note about something we don't have?
[19:41]  * knome doesn't understand
[19:41] <knome> just don't mention it, if it hasn't landed and we didn't promise it to!
[19:41] <pleia2> it makes the installer window look very wonky, people will notice :)
[19:42] <elfy> pleia2: I also want to list those who tested like we did last time
[19:42] <pleia2> elfy: yes!
[19:43]  * elfy wanders off to mark alpha2 as released to catch out people who keep saying they'll test manana :p
[19:44] <pleia2> too late to test?
[19:44] <knome> pleia2, they want to release it some time after noon UTC today
[19:44] <knome> err,
[19:44] <knome> tomorrow
[19:44] <elfy> today
[19:45] <elfy> ?
[19:45] <elfy> yea - tomorrow
[19:45] <elfy> pleia2: no - it's not too late - I'll mark it tomorrow morning sometime around 0700UTC 
[19:45] <pleia2> okie
[19:45] <elfy> unless knome has a problem with that :p
[19:45] <knome> not at all
[19:46] <elfy> k
[19:46] <pleia2> having more time to test would be good, I was all ready to test on monday!
[19:46] <pleia2> was a bank holiday here, would have been great
[19:46] <knome> elfy knows better what the situation re: being ready to release is anyway
[19:46] <elfy> pleia2: all our's are done, testcase wise - but more eyes never hurts
[19:46]  * pleia2 nods
[19:47] <knome> unless they pop in in weird places, like ears :/
[19:47] <elfy> "Full marks to Xubuntu and Ubuntu Gnome for getting theirs done." 
[19:47] <elfy> is what we got :)
[19:47] <pleia2> oh, eyes on ears, yes, that would be odd
[19:47] <knome> marks, like the old finnish or danish marks? :P
[19:47] <elfy> yep
[19:48] <elfy> full marks in any currency you like :D
[19:48] <knome> lol
[19:48] <knome> you can only have full marks in mark-currencies!
[19:48]  * knome stops being silly and goes help the wife in kitchenwork
[19:48] <elfy> I got more than full marks in a maths exam - still no idea how they worked that out
[19:50] <elfy> knome: when you get back ping me re that merge and bug 
[19:59] <lderan> elfy, I got 100% in a negative marked exam once. Was tempted to ask if the machine they used to do the multiple choice test was broken :P
[20:00] <elfy> :)
[20:04] <knome> elfy, what merge and bug?
[20:05] <elfy> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1628change/+merge/202716
[20:06] <elfy> or we should make that testcase optional http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1628/info
[20:06] <elfy> or I'll be failing it close to each and everytime 
[20:06]  * knome shrugs
[20:06] <knome> what do you think?
[20:07] <elfy> well ... all of the things we test then get tested elsewhere anyway for one
[20:07] <elfy> but if we're going to test it then it shouldn't be failable just because of wording
[20:08] <elfy> though each seperate thing says 'if ... '
[20:08] <knome> yeaah...
[20:09] <elfy> mmm
[20:09] <knome> dunno, i can merge if you want
[20:10] <elfy> I'd rather do that I think
[20:10] <elfy> I know it's not much - but then I'm checking all of them as I go through them for things like that
[20:14] <knome> elfy, done
[20:15] <elfy> thanks knome :)
[20:15] <knome> np
[20:28] <GridCube> ok, some bugs, at least from my understanding, http://goput.it/122r.png <<< there is no default list of backgrounds available, it doesnt show the default background neither
[20:29] <GridCube> on 1024x768 the sudoku screen doesnt show complete, its like its default is larger than 1024px wich makes no sense http://goput.it/v/sou4.png
[20:29] <GridCube> and this might not be a bug, but why does pavucontrol has white parts? http://goput.it/bims.png
[20:30] <elfy> white here
[20:31] <elfy> GridCube: first one - you've got folder set to none - what happens if it's not 
[20:31] <knome> last one looks like a theming bug
[20:31] <GridCube> elfy, that lets me choose my default home folder or the images folder, either of which have no images on them
[20:32] <elfy> perhaps it's a bug then :)
[20:33] <GridCube> http://goput.it/70l4.png
[20:34] <elfy> knome: and my final 'I'm not sure why we even' for today - live session "Use and execute the default applications found for the desktop enviroment being run"
[20:34] <elfy> why?
[20:34] <knome> GridCube, can you file a bug for that, against xfdesktop
[20:34] <elfy> and why not "Use and execute the default applications found for the desktop enviroment being run" then report the results on the package tracker"
[20:35] <GridCube> knome, kk
[20:35] <knome> elfy, the point was to gather random/exploratory testing bugs rather than the same old package tests
[20:35] <knome> elfy, so people can test random things, and if they appear in the ISO test... well, the bugs are at least filed
[20:35] <knome> elfy, we should probably expect people find those with the package tests as well, but those can never cover 100%
[20:36] <elfy> ok I can go with that - but that's a lot of default packages :p
[20:36] <knome> well... again, the point is to not restrict people to do certain kid of testing
[20:37] <knome> *kind
[20:37] <elfy> ok - I'll go back into my box now :)
[20:37] <knome> could be reworded to "do what you usually do", but otoh, that would again restrict people from thinking out of the box
[20:37] <knome> if you get what i'm saying
[20:38] <elfy> yea - better not to do that
[20:38] <GridCube> knome, http://goput.it/hxv8.png
[20:38] <knome> so yep, i think the current wording is fine until somebody comes up with a better wording :P
[20:38] <GridCube> will do it manually from this other vm
[20:38] <elfy> on the whole I'm quite relaxed about that now we've got packages going
[20:38] <knome> GridCube, i think it's just xfdesktop
[20:38] <knome> oh, hmm
[20:38] <GridCube> that package doesnt exists
[20:38] <knome> !info xfdesktop
[20:38] <knome> !info xfdesktop4
[20:38] <Unit193> xfdesktop4
[20:39] <knome> ok, weird..
[20:39] <knome> oh, ah,
[20:39] <elfy> did one of the 'ppa' things get in 
[20:39] <knome> did you enable PPA's?
[20:39] <knome> yeah, that's why it says so
[20:39] <GridCube> me?
[20:40] <knome> if it's not a PPA, something else might be going on
[20:40] <knome> for now, i think you can still gather the data for the bug with ubuntu-bug
[20:40] <knome> if not, just file one manually
[20:40] <knome> that's a trivial thing; we need to set a sane default directory
[20:43] <GridCube> i have not set any ppa its just a default installation
[20:44] <GridCube> bug #1271713
[20:44] <elfy> GridCube: that's odd - works ok here for the live image
[20:45] <GridCube> im using the i386 iso
[20:45] <GridCube> if that means anything
[20:45] <elfy> ok - not looked at those I'm afraid
[20:46] <knome> can't think of any reason why the arch would matter
[20:46] <GridCube> no idea
[20:47] <elfy> then again why would ubuntu-bug xfdesktop4 work ok here for me 
[20:50] <Noskcaj> elfy, perhaps the latest version you have is from the repos?
[20:50] <elfy> Noskcaj: then why is the 32 bit image not using the latest 
[20:50] <elfy> and why is it using one apparently from a ppa?
[20:51] <Noskcaj> i've got no idea.
[20:51] <elfy> that's 4 of us then :p
[20:53] <GridCube> :/
[20:54] <GridCube> should i file a bug report about it
[20:54] <GridCube> ?
[20:54] <elfy> the ubuntu-bug thing?
[20:57] <elfy> GridCube: ^^
[20:58] <GridCube> yes
[20:58] <elfy> you can - but it'll fester forever I'd guess
[20:58] <elfy> I me too'd the desktop settings one
[20:59] <GridCube> bug 1271720
[21:02] <elfy> knome: I see what you mean by "reworded to "do what you usually do"" GridCube apparently plays games and fiddles with the wallpaper :p
[21:03] <GridCube> P: i do that
[21:03] <elfy> :)
[21:03] <elfy> I'd be reporting that clementine doesn't install and play music :)
[21:04] <elfy> me too'd the sudoku one as well :)
[21:06] <elfy> can't horozontally resize it either
[21:06] <elfy> GridCube: ^^
[21:07] <GridCube> no
[21:07] <GridCube> its stuck at more than 1024
[21:07] <GridCube> i cant resize it even here in 13.04
[21:07] <elfy> oh yea - read your bug properly now lol 
[21:07] <elfy> that's really annoying for someone who uses it ... 
[21:11] <GridCube> i would assume so
[21:11] <GridCube> true is that 1024 screens are less usual nowdays, but still
[21:12] <GridCube> it makes no sense why it would not resize if the sudoku itself resizes
[21:12] <elfy> it works in Ubuntu 
[21:13] <elfy> odd
[21:13] <GridCube> it does?
[21:13] <GridCube> D:
[21:14] <elfy> yep - just asked balloons
[21:14] <GridCube> thats relly weird
[21:14] <elfy> yea
[21:17] <brainwash> GridCube: did pavucontrol look different before? it looks just as it did always to me
[21:18] <GridCube> brainwash, http://goput.it/kbe4.png
[21:19] <brainwash> mmh, now I'm not sure anymore :D
[21:20] <elfy> I looked at that in 64bit - was white - same as here on this machine
[21:21] <elfy> wonder if there's something odd going on with 32bit then
[21:21] <GridCube> it should not be white
[21:21] <GridCube> it should look like that last screenshot
[21:22] <elfy> well it's white here and on 64bit
[21:22] <brainwash> GridCube: please open abiword, is the top ruler hidden behind a white area?
[21:22] <GridCube> yes
[21:22] <brainwash> elfy: there was some recent change which turned some grey theme elements white
[21:22] <brainwash> same applies to abiword
[21:22] <GridCube> i think i added that to the test report
[21:23] <elfy> brainwash: in ppa or properly? 
[21:23] <knome> elfy, heh :)
[21:23] <knome> off, bbl
[21:23] <elfy> cya tomorrow
[21:23] <knome> you too
[21:23] <GridCube> but is not white brainwash 
[21:24] <GridCube> is grey http://goput.it/10h9.png
[21:24] <elfy> GridCube: is pavu white in the a2 ?
[21:24] <elfy> thought that's what you said earlier 
[21:24] <GridCube> http://goput.it/str/bims.png
[21:25] <GridCube> yes is white
[21:25] <elfy> ok 
[21:25] <elfy> so where's the grey one come from?
[21:26] <elfy> I'm confused now :p
[21:26] <brainwash> well, it's just a minor theme glitch
[21:26] <brainwash> white pavucontrol doesn't even look bad, looks almost perfectly normal
[21:27] <elfy> yep still needs reporting though - and GridCube has issues reporting with ubuntu-bug - it thinks he's got ppa's in the a2 live image
[21:27] <GridCube> elfy, the grey is the way it used to look on 13.04
[21:27] <elfy> which is weird as well 
[21:27] <elfy> GridCube: I can't remember that far back :)
[21:27] <GridCube> and everytime before that
[21:27] <brainwash> run  apt-cache policy xfdesktop4
[21:28] <elfy> the sudoku thing is weird too
[21:29] <GridCube> brainwash, http://goput.it/7di8.png
[21:29] <GridCube> but maybe its because that box doesnt have a conection to the outside of the internet
[21:29] <GridCube> and can't download the apt lists
[21:30] <GridCube> ?
[21:30] <GridCube> xubuntu doesnt let people set up proxies in easy ways
[21:31] <brainwash> this would mean, that you cannot report anything via ubuntu-bug
[21:31] <GridCube> true. but why would it say, http://goput.it/hxv8.png
[21:32] <GridCube> it should says like "you are not connected to the internet" or something like that
[21:32] <elfy>   Installed: 4.11.2-0ubuntu1
[21:32] <elfy>   Candidate: 4.11.2-0ubuntu1
[21:32] <elfy>   Version table:
[21:32] <elfy>  *** 4.11.2-0ubuntu1 0
[21:32] <elfy>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages
[21:32] <elfy>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[21:32] <elfy> oops
[21:32] <GridCube> /exec -o
[21:32] <elfy> is what I get in 64bit a2
[21:32] <Unit193> GridCube: inxi -r  lists no ppas?
[21:32] <brainwash> according to apt-cache it's listed a local package without repo source
[21:33] <GridCube> Unit193, i can't install inxi with no internet
[21:33] <GridCube> :P
[21:33] <GridCube> brainwash, then why i get that message then?
[21:33] <brainwash> maybe yet another bug
[21:33] <brainwash> I'm not familiar with ubuntu-bug
[21:34] <elfy> GridCube: what's the md5sum of the image? should be cafd1e7ea0ea269e732ec9302f467ad0
[21:35] <GridCube> how do i get that 
[21:36] <elfy> md5sum /path/to/the/download I guess
[21:36] <GridCube> mmm
[21:36] <GridCube> cafd1e7ea0ea269e732ec9302f467ad0 
[21:36] <GridCube> it looks the same
[21:36] <elfy> yep 
[21:37] <elfy> just thought I'd ask :)
[21:37] <GridCube> :)
[21:37] <Unit193> Noskcaj: ...Did you copy all patches?  Including wait-for-settings-manager.patch?  brainwash wanted me to add that to test something, which it didn't fix.  Might want to drop it.
[21:37] <Noskcaj> Unit193, oh. I'll drop that one now
[21:37] <Unit193> Unless he says otherwise, yeah.
[21:38] <brainwash> mmh, right... eric did not respond yet with a new (working) patch
[21:38] <brainwash> the current one is harmless, does basically nothing
[21:39] <Unit193> Yep, else I would have reverted it.
[21:42] <Unit193> brainwash: Do you think this fix will land in xfdesktop or another package?
[21:43] <brainwash> in xfdesktop4
[21:50] <elfy> back tomorrow
[22:15] <brainwash> Noskcaj: is your xfce4-indicator-plugin package (PPA) built from git/master?
[22:16] <Noskcaj> brainwash, no. 2.2.0
[22:17] <brainwash> so we need to wait for a new release then, some issues have been fixed recently (occasionally missing indicator icons and widget management)
[22:18] <Noskcaj> ok.
[22:18] <Noskcaj> Still no news of a panel or garcon release either?
[22:19] <Noskcaj> I can make a git snapshot if we really need it though
[22:21] <brainwash> it would help testing the new stuff which will land eventually in trusty, but on the other hand.. we have almost no testers
[22:22] <Noskcaj> I think i'll leave it for official releases from now, or patches. the ubuntu devs are worried about 4.11 being unstable, let alone git snapshots
[22:23] <brainwash> yes
[22:24] <brainwash> but we will ship xfwm4 4.11 or?
[22:25] <brainwash> 4.11 already includes the needed patches for bug 1232804
[22:25] <Noskcaj> brainwash, if possible
[22:25] <Unit193> But no tabwin. :(
[22:25] <Noskcaj> i've got the branch up, just need to bride someone with upload rights.
[22:26] <Noskcaj> Unit193, is tabwin able to be put in a release soon, or a least one, stable, patch?
[22:26] <brainwash> on top of that, the xfwm4 package requires to be build with MONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP defined to actually enable the seamless transition
[22:26] <brainwash> it's not build that way by default
[22:28] <brainwash> and it's need to be tested of course, if it causes some unexpected trouble, we could disable it for the final release
[22:29] <Noskcaj> brainwash, i'd rather not risk uploading stuff that might break, what could it break and what does it do normally?
[22:29] <Unit193> Not sure if the issues I've had were with xfdesktop of xfwm, end up killing both.
[22:29] <brainwash> currently it doesn't break anything
[22:30] <brainwash> everything is patched to work properly
[22:30] <brainwash> xfwm 4.11 + xfdesktop 4.11
[22:31] <brainwash> basically we need it to tested by a large group of people :/
[22:31] <Noskcaj> I'd like to wait for more 4.11 stuff to land first, just so we know if it alone has bugs
[22:32] <brainwash> yes, but I'm afraid that a decision might get delayed until it's too late
[22:33] <brainwash> ali1234: ^ any thoughts?
[22:34] <Noskcaj> my suggestion is wait till early next month, since i should have upload rights then and we'll know if anything major has been broken
[22:34] <brainwash> can you subscribe to the linked bug report please? :)
[22:35] <brainwash> don't want to bother you with this over and over again, following the report should help instead
[22:39] <brainwash> GridCube: pavucontrol is mainly white in saucy with greybird from git, you should target your report against shimmer-themes
[22:41] <brainwash> but I assume that this is an intended change
[23:13] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: thanks for the upload, looks like menulibre is in sid and trusty now :)
[23:36] <xnox> pleia2: knome: it was not stuck on a queue at all. new ubiquity in release pocket for 4 hours now. SO if a respin is done, it will be picked up.
[23:37] <xnox> not sure who / why unblocked it from -proposed.