[00:17] <adrenaline_> I use unetbooten also for the record.
[00:18] <adrenaline_> sorry got pulled away to a meeting.
[00:23] <holstein> adrenaline_: not for multibooting though, correct?
[00:29] <adrenaline_> Nope Actually when I can I used the Ubuntu disk utility because it has persistence up to 4Gig
[00:29] <holstein> adrenaline_: does it support mulitbooting?
[00:30] <adrenaline_> I can do updates and it is also live so I can boot to it from where-ever
[00:30] <adrenaline_> no
[00:30] <starrats> hello adrenaline
[00:31] <holstein> adrenaline_: i hadnt checked it out in a while, and thought maybe it was added. which would make it a nice option
[00:31] <adrenaline_> I have used this before for multiboot
[00:31] <adrenaline_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/multisystem/
[00:31] <holstein> i thinks thats the one that linus was trying
[00:32] <adrenaline_> Oh is that pendrive?
[00:33] <adrenaline_> I went to 3 semesters of school using xubuntu on a persistent thumbdrive saving assignments and presentations and updating.
[00:34] <adrenaline_> I would boot it on the schools computer and all I had to carry around was the thumbdrive.
[00:46] <xubuntu315> hello
[00:46] <ethermonk> hi
[00:46] <xubuntu315> xubuntu is good for low spec machines?
[00:46] <ethermonk> yes
[00:46] <holstein> try it live.. if the live CD will run, you will likely be fine with it installed
[00:46] <xubuntu315> is better than ubuntu for low spec right?
[00:46] <ethermonk> yes
[00:47] <xubuntu315> my pc is so bad, with 512 ram and low cpu to
[00:47] <ethermonk> it is ubuntu, but an ubuntu better for older/slow gear
[00:47] <ethermonk> it will run fine xubuntu315
[00:47] <xubuntu315> i have windows installed in my HD windows 7 but is so slowly :\ i need try something diferent
[00:47] <ethermonk> it will run better with xubuntu than on win7
[00:48] <holstein> that can depend on driver support.. but, xubuntu is a fine choice for a machine of that spec..
[00:48] <xubuntu315> thanks for help me guys. tell me other thing please and sorry my english im portuguese, xubuntu have wireless drivers when installed? I have an asus eepc
[00:49] <holstein> xubuntu315: the linux kernel is modular, and contains many drivers
[00:49] <holstein> xubuntu315: it will depend on your particular hardware as to how the support is "out of the box"
[00:49] <holstein> try it live, and see how the wifi works before installing
[00:50] <holstein> !wifi
[00:50] <ubottu> Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[00:50] <xubuntu315> maybe is better if try live version then install with wubi right?
[00:51] <holstein> xubuntu315: "better" is always a matter of opinion.. i dont prefer the wubi, but a wubi install can be removed from inside windows like an application
[00:52] <ethermonk> with 512 RAM, run Live, do not use wubi
[00:52] <xubuntu315> yeah I know that. I only will use wubi because  Im ne in this "world" and I have "scare" If I make something wrong, just that
[00:53] <xubuntu315> new*
[00:53] <holstein> xubuntu315: you should not be scared. you should be prepared
[00:53] <holstein> xubuntu315: plan for failure, and have good backups, since *all* hard drives will fail
[00:53] <ethermonk> anything you dont want to lose, you should have backups of anyway. if you dont have backups, your asking for trouble no matter what your doing or safe it is deemed
[00:54] <Unit193> I'd personally recommend vbox over wubi.
[00:54] <holstein> i would want to have all my data safely backed up before doing any of these options.. other than just running a live CD to check it out
[00:54]  * holstein +1 on vbox
[00:54] <xubuntu315> vbox? virtualobox?
[00:54] <ethermonk> yes
[00:55] <Unit193> Live is great,  will show you speedwise better than vbox, and wubi is just weird.
[00:55] <ethermonk> i recommend Linux Live USB Creator for Windows. it creates bootable live linux disks and includes a virtual box app to make the USB device a virtual PC
[00:55] <xubuntu315> But why wubi is weird? Isnt just an installer?
[00:55] <holstein> xubuntu315: no
[00:55] <holstein> !wubi
[00:55] <ubottu> Wubi allows you to install or uninstall Ubuntu 12.04 LTS from within Windows ( version 7 or earlier ) in a simple and safe way. Wubi is INCOMPATIBLE with UEFI, Windows 8 Certified computers, and Windows RAID arrays. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide for more information. File wubi bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug
[00:56] <ethermonk> LiLi ftw
[00:56] <holstein> xubuntu315: the end result is, basically, similar to an installed system, but not the same
[00:56] <xubuntu315> Hm ok, atm im downloading live version, after will burn at CD and try im my machine
[00:56] <xubuntu315> thanks all for help me
[01:00] <dunpeal> Hi folks. I'm running 13.04 and have the Nvidia binary driver installed. How do I remove it?
[01:00] <holstein> !nvidia
[01:00] <ubottu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto
[01:01] <holstein> i think i just used "sudo apt-get autoremove nvidia*" ..but, you should be able to search "nvidia" in the package manager of your choice
[01:02] <dunpeal> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[01:02] <Unit193> ethermonk: LiLi++
[01:02] <dunpeal>   linux-headers-3.8.0-32 linux-headers-3.8.0-32-generic linux-image-3.8.0-32-generic linux-image-extra-3.8.0-32-generic nvidia-313-updates nvidia-common nvidia-settings-313-updates
[01:02] <dunpeal> holstein: won't it be a problem if it removes my kernel? :)
[01:02] <holstein> dunpeal: i didnt suggest you remove your kernel
[01:03] <dunpeal> oh, this is the old one
[01:03] <dunpeal> brb rebooting
[01:29] <psooo1> i have installed libr office from de software center, is it the latest version?
[01:29] <psooo1> * libre office
[01:30] <holstein> psooo1: it'll be the latest from the repos.. you can check "version" in a package manager or in the LO menu and check at the site and see
[01:30] <holstein> psooo1: there are usually ppa's to add newer versions, but, ubuntu locks most things at a version, frozen for that release
[01:30] <Itsame> probably not
[01:31] <psooo1> so are you saying that i should stay with this release?
[01:31] <Itsame> yes just keep using this release. it's new enough
[01:31] <psooo1> thnks ;)
[01:31] <Itsame> which xubuntu are you running?
[01:31] <psooo1> 12.04.3
[01:32] <Itsame> if you encounter problems or miss features you want, you could upgrade it with a PPA
[01:32] <Itsame> but, well, it's office. it just works ;p
[01:33] <psooo1> with a PPA - sorry , but i dont understand...i am new in Linux...
[01:34] <holstein> !ppa | psooo1
[01:34] <ubottu> psooo1: A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge
[01:35] <Itsame> it's basically installing an app outside of the Ubuntu Software Center
[01:35] <psooo1> ok thnks, i think this release is fine...i only make the question coz i see version 3 of libre office and in website i see 4....versions
[01:36] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa if you want/need a newer
[01:36] <Itsame> ah very good
[01:38] <psooo1> you also recommend me to stay with this one, right?
[01:39] <Itsame> yes if you don't mind on having the newest cutting edge features
[01:41] <psooo1> yes i think not
[01:41] <psooo1> i have microsoft office also
[01:42] <psooo1> but with a little problem...too. Can i transfer updates to from microsoft center ?
[01:42] <Itsame> you run microsoft office with wine?
[01:42] <psooo1> yes
[01:42] <Itsame> well try out if that works :)
[01:42] <Itsame> I'm not sure how the update process works
[01:43] <Itsame> maybe someone else can help out on this matter
[01:43] <holstein> nothing about linux prevents microsoft from allowing you to do that.. or prevents them from offically supporting linux
[01:43] <psooo1> i am affraid of something to crash...install it has given a lot of work...and i dont know if i remember all the steps...
[01:44] <holstein> if you are running in wine, you are not running it in a way that microsoft likely officially supports
[01:44] <psooo1> yes thats the question
[01:45] <holstein> psooo1: sure.. but the answer is just that.. you are not following the intended use case, so, you have to provide your own support
[01:46] <psooo1> do you think a crash could happen?
[01:46] <psooo1> if i try to download updates from microsfot website?
[01:46] <holstein> psooo1: its a computer.. i think a crash can happen if you were using it as intended
[01:48] <psooo1> i think the risk is high
[01:48] <holstein> psooo1: risk? you are not using the product as intended..
[01:48] <psooo1> i only think in that because excel has a little bug...
[01:49] <psooo1> but i even dont know if it is an update reason
[01:50] <psooo1> yes, i think that because of that - i am not using the product as intended
[01:50] <psooo1> so it can happen something that crashes te installation
[02:11] <starrats> prefers Apache Open Office over MS office, IMO
[03:59] <sixpack> Hi all I am having a heck of a time trying to install xubuntu 13.10 on an old pc
[04:00] <holstein> sixpack: how old? maybe its not supporting linux?
[04:00] <holstein> !nomodeset | sixpack can be helpful
[04:00] <ubottu> sixpack can be helpful: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
[04:00] <sixpack> it loads and just goes to a black screen with a mouse cursor and flashes between black and just a mouse cursor
[04:00] <holstein> !mini | sixpack this can also help get a base on the machine, and get started
[04:00] <ubottu> sixpack this can also help get a base on the machine, and get started: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[04:00] <sixpack> yes I tried that setting but it still does the same thing
[04:01] <holstein> sixpack: then, it could be a bad iso, or bad media
[04:01] <sixpack> I dont have internet connection on this old pc
[04:01] <sixpack> hmm never thought of that
[04:01] <holstein> sixpack: i have also seen bad older optical drives
[04:01] <sixpack> is there a way to check the dvd
[04:01] <sixpack> yes thats what happend at first.. it was a crappy old dvdrom
[04:01] <holstein> sixpack: there is an integreity check built into the disc.. or
[04:01] <holstein> !md5
[04:01] <ubottu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[04:02] <holstein> sixpack: could be other hardware failing as well..
[04:03] <sixpack> ok.. let me check the dvd and is there any other setting I could use to boot besides nomodeset?
[04:04] <sixpack> brb I am only using one monitor for both of my systems.. thanks for your help so far!
[04:06] <sixpack> ok its checking the dvd now
[04:06] <holstein> sixpack: you can use the mini iso, and see if the alternate installs
[04:06] <sixpack> right I had to use the alternet one before on my laptop I guess if none of this works that will be what I will try next
[04:07] <holstein> you can test, and rule out issues, and go from there.. if its grahpics card related, you can always install the mini and uprade, and use an xorg.conf that forces the vesa driver
[04:07] <holstein> sixpack: i usually try and boot *any* live CD.. even a knoppix live CD can tell you what grahpics driver is possible, or at least help you determine what ubuntu needs
[04:09] <sixpack> ya I have knoppix.. damn I never even thought of that.. I didnt bother because XP works fine on this system
[04:09] <sixpack> ok it said the dvd is good
[04:11] <holstein> sixpack: the Xp support is quite irrelevant
[04:11] <holstein> sixpack: the drivers there wont support linux, so you can just move on to the knoppix.. if it boots, you can grab the xorg.conf from that live session, and try it in xubuntu
[04:16] <sixpack> ok I am booting into knoppix now
[04:16] <sixpack> alright knoppix works fine...
[04:17] <sixpack> how do I get the xorg.conf?
[04:18] <holstein> sixpack: should be in the normal place.. /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:24] <sixpack> ok so I copied to a usb
[04:24] <sixpack> how do I use it in the boot menu of xubuntu
[04:38] <sixpack> ok I give up on the main install... where do I find the alternate version for 13.10? all I can find is the alternate for the 12.04
[04:41] <sixpack> hello?
[04:45] <sixpack> ok I cant find the alternate cd or mini cd for xubuntu.. anyone have a hint?
[04:46] <sixpack> well I guess I am going to try the 12.04 alternate cd
[04:47] <sixpack> I have always had such problems installing ubuntu yeesh, the only reason I use it is because it has the best support and compatability.. but now I am not so sure
[08:45] <Sysi> am I still supposed to use gksu(do) to run graphical programs on 13.10 because it's not installed by default, or is sudo good now?
[08:47] <Unit193> pkexec is the new tool, which doesn't work.  I still use gksudo, but sudo -i foo  is an option.
[08:48] <Sysi> guell I'll keep using sudo -i
[09:15] <Bugari> Hey guys, I have quite weird problem - i cannot use alt+tab, i broke it somehow, i guess.. alt+shift+tab works as it should.
[09:56] <littlebit> hi people, I have installed xubuntu 13.04 and I have always  in the top left corner of my desktop I have an icon of the startup menu always there. does anyone know how to remove it?
[10:15] <cub> littlebit, can't you just right click it and choose "Remove"?
[10:18] <littlebit> cub: it is like a picture bug that wont go away
[10:18] <cub> littlebit, hmm I don't understand then. can you make a screenshot?
[10:26] <Bugari> Does any one know, how to restore alt+tab functionality? alt+shift+tab works as it supposed to, alt+tab does not..
[10:41] <littlebit> cub: ok
[10:45] <littlebit> cub: here u go http://imagebin.org/288112
[10:52] <denis__> allo
[10:53] <cfhowlett> denis__, greetings
[10:53] <denis__> Je suis nouveau ici
[10:53] <cfhowlett> !fr|denis__,
[10:53] <ubottu> denis__,: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[10:54] <denis__> merci
[10:57] <uflaig> hello, I have a problem with my mic which has not been solved till this very day, can somebody help me out? Apparently I'm getting no input on Skype or Teamspeak
[10:58] <uflaig> not sure what I could do
[11:04] <cub> littlebit, wow, sorry no idea about that one. :)
[11:04] <cub> hang around and someone else might know
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[13:07] <Monkeytoe> hello
[13:08] <Monkeytoe> I am trying to do an apt-get upgrade on my xubuntu 13.10 desktop. It is giving me this error.
[13:08] <Monkeytoe> Reading package lists... Done
[13:08] <Monkeytoe> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net saucy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 981605430AE7FCDA
[13:08] <Monkeytoe> What do I do? :)
[13:19] <exact> hi, guys can anyone help me ? installed 13.10 xubuntu and after installing any videodriver I have blackscreen after reboot. Pls help
[13:21] <baizon> Monkeytoe: add the key
[13:22] <baizon> Monkeytoe: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware
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[17:31] <pc-02_> hello, can someone help me fix Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/nvidia-settings" (No such file or directory)
[17:31] <pc-02_> i cant open X
[17:31] <pc-02_> X Server Settings*
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[17:34] <bingo> is command to reinstall it?
[17:36] <genii> bingo: Might want to try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-settings
[17:37] <bingo> ty trying
[17:37] <bingo>   nvidia-settings-304
[17:37] <bingo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[17:37] <bingo>   nvidia-settings nvidia-settings-304
[17:38] <bingo> hope it wont uninstall 319 driver
[17:38] <bingo> yes it works! ty genii
[17:40] <Golynx> Hi guys. Does the LAMP stack work in Xubuntu ? Also will my code be highlighted in gedit in Xubuntu. I wana switch from unity.
[17:47] <Sysi> Golynx: everything should work as it works on other *buntus
[17:48] <Golynx> Sysi thanks . That is great to know :)
[18:31] <Golynx> Sysi are you sure all my data and programs will be available in Xfce desktop when i install xubuntu-desktop from Unity ?
[18:31] <Sysi> yes
[18:31] <Golynx> awesome thanks
[18:53] <netsky> if i change panel settings in xfce session, will they be reflected in xubuntu session too?
[18:55] <brainwash> netsky: yes, both sessions share the same user config files
[18:57] <netsky> let me be more specific - i want to change xfce panel and don't want it to alter my xubuntu panel settings - but that is not possible, right?
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[19:03] <brainwash> not sure if there is an built in way to do it
[19:05] <xubuntu114> Hello to everyone from Greece. I am trying to install Xubuntu 13.10 on an LG P1 Express Dual Laptop and after booting from the live dvd, my keyboard stops functioning. That is, I cannot type anything. If I use an external USB keyboard, it works. Is there any workaround to this problem? Thanks in advance.
[19:25] <pitchdark> 13.10 question - After upgrading ubuntu (not xubuntu) from 13.04 to 13.10, I experienced so many issues that I decided to switch to xubuntu 13.04.  Are there any strong reasons for upgrading a solid working 13.04 xubuntu to 13.10?
[19:26] <Myrtti> other than getting security updates and being able to update to 14.04 in a few months?
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[19:43] <xubuntu114> Hello to everyone from Greece. I am trying to install Xubuntu 13.10 on an LG P1 Express Dual Laptop and after booting from the live dvd, my keyboard stops functioning. That is, I cannot type anything. If I use an external USB keyboard, it works. Is there any workaround to this problem? Thanks in advance.
[19:45] <xubuntu337> default file permissions
[19:45] <xubuntu337> how do you set default file permissions for x11 applications
[19:51] <georgchr> Hello everybody
[19:54] <elfy> georgchr: hello - if you've a question, then ask it - you'll find out if someone know's an answer then
[19:54] <georgchr> Alright so.
[19:55] <georgchr> I am trying to find out how to set default file permissions for X11 applications.
[19:55] <koegs> hm?
[19:57] <georgchr_> *
[19:57] <georgchr_> I want permissions rw-r----- (640 octal)
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[19:58] <georgchr_> Evolution mailer stores new mail messages  with permissions rw------- (600 octal)
[19:59] <georgchr_> changing umask in .profile, .bash_profile, /etc/login.defs doesn't change behaviour of Evolution
[20:00] <georgchr_> +
[20:00] <bekks> georgchr_: If thats hardcoded in evolution, no umask will change it.
[20:01] <georgchr_> Is that a fact that it is hardcoded?
[20:01] <bekks> I havent used evolution for a decade now, I dont know.
[20:02] <georgchr_> I found a suggestion for gdm display manager (which xubuntu does not use) to set umask in the Xsession file
[20:03] <georgchr_> I can't find an Xsession file under /etc/lightdm/
[20:04] <georgchr_> Any suggestions where you could try to insert a "umask ..." line for Xubuntu / lightdm ?
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[21:11] <georgchr_> BB, g2g
[21:11] <xubuntu367> i cant figure out how to make my screen brighter
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[21:13] <xubuntu367> im new to the the laptop and ubuntu and cannot figure out to make the screen brighter any herlp
[21:39] <pitchdark> screen brightness should be controlled by a FN + key press combination
[21:41] <adrenaline_> I don't have xubuntu in front of me but i think if you go to the menu then system settings then power then look and see what the settings are for brightness.
[22:21] <xubuntu367> how do u set up a wifi connection
[22:23] <Noskcaj> xubuntu367, As in connect to an existing network?
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