[00:42] ahoneybun, apachelogger: you are asking the wrong person about export and tarballs! [00:42] * valorie knows nothing of such things [00:44] however, I can ask the KDE-Doc people to run the script and turn our docs into docbook when we are satisfied with 1. the text, 2. the images, and 3. the translations === jackson is now known as Guest1629 === jackson_ is now known as Noskcaj [02:35] valorie: hey [02:37] hey sgclark [02:38] hey ahoneybun [02:38] bug reports! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/1271390 [02:38] Ubuntu bug 1271390 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "[ubiquity-frontend-kde] Incorrect version number in installer slideshow" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:41] so I guess we could use the docbook to html or can xml(docbook) be used for doc.kubuntu.org [02:41] ? [02:41] \/away [02:42] ahoneybun, valorie it is Yuri that has the magic script to convert wiki to docbook, I can email when we are ready [02:45] ahoneybun, sorry I don't know about docs.kubuntu.org format [02:45] docbook to html is simple though, I know how to do that === jackson is now known as Guest7088 [07:01] Riddell: ScottK kdeconnect in binary new [07:26] xnox: Thank you for the feedback. Guess I selected one that isn't available on the cd. Should I report a bug for the missing test case? [07:51] Good morning. [08:01] ScottK: could you have a look at http://paste.kde.org/pd4263890 and check if it's correct? [08:03] ScottK: specifically the python2 part [08:51] <21WAB71EH> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU4MDA [08:51] <21WAB71EH> lol my nick [08:52] <21WAB71EH> i think thats actually a good thing [08:55] 21WAB71EH: your point? [09:05] <21WAB71EH> valorie: its good to have short description of files on software center [09:08] 21WAB71EH: I agree [09:09] however, we wouldn't make such a demand by ourselves [09:51] lordievader: can you give URL or screenshot to explain what you mean by "isn't available on the cd" ? [10:06] hi all, do you know if kde sc 4.12.1 will be released for Kubuntu 12.04 (through backports ppa)? [10:08] it's planned yes, we're just a bit shorthanded so it'll take a few more days [10:09] someone asked on kubuntu channel, i replied him [10:11] jarkko: nows your chance to get into packaging :) [10:11] Riddell: how would that happen [10:11] jarkko: read some guides, ask for a tutorial, get stuck in :) [10:12] jarkko: I'm always happy to take people through making a basic package [10:12] Riddell: can you gimme a basic link? [10:12] jarkko: we have a script to do stuff like the 4.12.1 backports but you need to know the basics of packaging to get into it [10:13] jarkko: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ might be a good start [10:13] lets assume i read that all what then? [10:14] http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ might be another one but that's got a lot about UDD bzr branches which most people don't actually use [10:14] jarkko: then you can maybe packaging something in KF5 to get the hang of it [10:14] valorie: so there is tech in place and all that? [10:14] jarkko: I often take people through that on a shared server so we can work together to start it [10:15] jarkko: you could also work out how to run the backport script [10:15] jarkko: then you need to get someone with permissions to sign it so it can be uploaded [10:15] Riddell: i play one dota2 game and i look those links then [10:16] is there lots of packaging to done? [10:16] amount of work [10:16] jarkko: after a few weeks you can get permissions to upload to PPAs and before you know it you can get permissions to upload to the archive [10:16] jarkko: loads :) [10:16] always news releases and backports to be done [10:17] see the last link at http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ [10:17] for new packages [10:17] https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks list of new stuff from KDE Frameworks all need new packages made [10:18] http://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas notes on 4.12 packaging needing done [10:19] how many kde versions you support ? [10:19] 4.11 still gets monthly releases, 4.12 gets monthly releases and KF5 is now getting monthly releases [10:20] and precice is LTS, saucy is the current release and trusty is the development release [10:20] so plenty of combinations :) [10:23] Riddell: could you take a look at kde 4.11.5 in saucy-proposed? It's still stuck in Unapproved [10:23] whats KF4 [10:23] 5 [10:23] I get the feeling ~ubuntu-sru is overworked [10:26] I think anyone but ScottK simply doesn't wanna look at a kde sru :P [10:26] so dangerous :) [10:26] why? It's only 90 packages [10:26] and that even includes l10n :S [10:26] xnox: What I ment was I selected Dutch in ubiquity hit "Try Kubuntu"and the live session would be in English. But following your explanation that there are only a few languages available for the live session, the Dutch language is probably not among them. [10:27] jarkko: thank you. will kde sc 4.12.* be default in the upcoming kubuntu 14.04? [10:27] lordievader: yeah, dutch is not a top world language. [10:28] lordievader: there is a bzr branch with the "algorithm" which languages get included based on remaining space on the cd or some such. [10:28] xnox: No, indeed. No worries, was just wondering. [10:28] lordievader: we actually only ship very few languages on the images, takes quite a bit of space :/ [10:29] yofel: I understand that. Like I said I was just wondering ;) [10:29] yofel: why they take so much space then? [10:29] The rest of Ubiquity was in Dutch, so that was nice :) [10:30] jarkko: KDE Frameworks 5 http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves [10:31] jarkko: because the compiled translation files for a language end up being several MB, now take a dozen languages and you end up using 200 or 300MB of image space just for translations [10:32] and with our ~1GB limit KDE and base system already takes a lot [10:32] yofel: how is that possible? [10:32] what format language files are [10:35] gettext usually (http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/) [10:36] yofel: but how is possible that they eat so much space? [10:36] do they contain pics? [10:37] no, it's just lots of text in a lot of applications. An example: [10:37] is it compressed? [10:38] the german *application* translations for just kde are installed 18MB, the package also ships documentation stuff etc. and is 35M. The image is ofc. a compressed squashfs so you don't use 18M but less. Still a few M [10:40] now add the other translations in it like manpages, sometimes even translated sound files, etc. and each language uses quite a bit of space [10:41] would it be possible to offer different links that if you want your distro with this language, download this lso [10:42] that would mean generating another ISO (we had a DVD image in the past with more languages), that means that for every milestone you need to run all the ISO tests for yet another image [10:42] and it's hard to find enough testers.... [10:43] * yofel -> lunch [10:45] but adding just languages to iso shouldnt break things so much [11:29] apachelogger: I can probably look at it tomorrow. [12:00] is 6kk months developemnt cycle too fast? [12:00] more like too slow [12:01] ScottK: netbook? [12:01] ScottK: I already did, there is no kmail in the favs at all it seems [12:01] also some plasmoid is broken, but my hebrew is too bad to know which one :S [12:02] oh, now it's broken in general [12:02] but speaking about language files that consume installation space [12:02] :S [12:02] jarkko: how does one relate to the other? [12:02] where are those language files used? on kde? [12:02] on installation? [12:02] both? [12:04] I do not follow [12:05] the language files are for kde or other programs too? [12:05] if you want a fully translated system you need them for... everything? [12:08] error: 'the language files' is undefined and this scope (parser.cpp:301883) [12:08] that's a long parset.cpp :D [12:08] meh, file not found™ [12:09] why the maximum size of iso is 1gb? [12:09] and what's eating most of it? [12:11] now that I can answer [12:11] would it be possible to off er additional languages as downloadable files that just need to add on certain directory on iso? [12:11] the size is 1gb because it was defined to be 1gb [12:11] jarkko: it's an arbitrary limit we agreed on which balances enough software with download speed, we can decide to increase it if we want [12:11] who defined, why [12:11] and the top space hogs are listed here http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/cdimage-size/kubuntu-trusty-cd-amd64.htm [12:11] jarkko: why add languages? [12:12] if you want languages, use the dvd ISO [12:13] we don't have one [12:13] anymore [12:13] (FWIW most space is consumed by semi-tiny stuff btw) [12:13] yofel: why is that? [12:13] same reason as alternate? nobody wanted to test it? [12:13] i have done kubuntu install few times, there has been some partion crash bug...that has been irritating, but as irritatitng has been that i have to download some language files (i use english on all my programs, even its not my native language), those language files download quite slowly [12:14] I guess we could re-introduce the DVD as 'desktop+all languages' [12:14] how much would it increase the iso size? [12:15] yofel: why does the DVD need testing beyond "boots, installs, system boots"? [12:16] well, it doesn't. It's just that barely anyone was doing even the few testcases on the iso tracker [12:16] jarkko: >limit [12:16] because right now we are ~limit [12:16] all languages is a lot of languages [12:16] and I already had to remove the german translations to get to ~limit [12:16] shadeslayer: do we actually have a *working* instruction set how to manually reproduce an image by now? [12:17] yofel: IIRC the dvd had the same amount of test cases as the desktop iso [12:17] which seems utterly pointless to me [12:17] or is that still a set of googe docs from cj [12:18] apachelogger: they do share some of the squashfs, so might be true, but you theoretically still have to test the full procedure [12:18] (which is kinda nonsense as that covers a tiny amount of the use cases) [12:18] and at least the installer should behave mostly the same [12:18] that is my point [12:19] ISO validation is limited to the installer [12:19] * Riddell high fives lordievader for being the i386 tester king [12:19] Mail to the ML about adding desktop+l10n* as DVD? [12:19] now unless there is a completely obscure bug in the installer there is no point in validating it again simply because the ISO size is increased and addtional mumbo jumbo is in the pool [12:20] and I mean *only* l10n, not stuff like digikam etc. again [12:20] yofel: please do :P [12:21] apachelogger: i agree [12:21] TBH I'd still gauge use of such a thing first [12:21] well, you could then go and kick of all l10n from the standard install. Would ofc. mean that people with slow network connection need to know english [12:22] but I think we barely have an l10n on the image anyway [12:22] most people will install every 6 months at the most, and most people will only ever use one language, so the bottom line still is that the regular image is more efficient as it fetches the necessary l10n, not all the l10n [12:22] *any [12:22] yofel: I did kick all l10n from the standard install [12:22] Hiyas all [12:22] ah ok [12:22] well, s/standard install/desktop seed/ [12:22] hm... ubiquity is still translated though? [12:23] ubiquity ships with its own translations [12:23] (we only had -de on the ISO) [12:23] and even without it amd64 is still oversized... [12:23] so the idea is if you speak only a language not in the image you can still install it and install the langpacks as you do so and it's all good [12:23] shadeslayer: how's the driver installer thing coming? [12:24] for the plasma2 transition we'll likely need to bump the ISO (temporarly) in size btw [12:24] there's no way in hell we can fit both a kde4 and a frameworks5 stack into 1 gib [12:25] even if we dropped some of the insanely huge font and print drivers [12:25] i checked those packages, half of them [12:25] i dont even know what most of them are [12:25] as I said, the problem are the <=500kb packages [12:26] they make up like 80% of the ISO [12:26] and the other 20% proably amount to some 100-200mib of space [12:26] and most of them are not really optional anyway [12:27] you've got your kernel and your libreoffice and your runtime/artworks [12:30] oh [12:30] I know why amd64 is still oversized [12:30] libreoffice moved to gstreamer1 [12:30] and gstreamer1 pulls in all sorts of rubbish [12:32] no wait [12:32] wrong seed [12:32] how are those packed in iso? [12:32] those files [12:32] lzma compression [12:32] are they one big file, or several smaller [12:34] it's the while filesystem put into 1 file which is mounted loopback when running the live system [12:34] it's the whole filesystem put into 1 file which is mounted loopback when running the live system [12:39] ScottK: I really don't think plasma-netbook works as great as it should :S [12:42] * so just patch kdebase-workspace for now [12:42] /* This doesn't seem to work when loading from live CD and needs to be set to ubiquity or oem-config [12:42] * so just patch kdebase-workspace for now [12:43] oh right, the page was broken somehow so I removed it [12:43] never added it back apparently [12:43] what that comment is about I do not know though [12:43] ah [12:43] ok [12:43] so, we had a kubuntu-settings script to generate the favs [12:44] except on the livecd we need different paths [12:44] so someone took the easy way out and decided to patch workspace instead [12:44] <- enjoys this course of action lots [12:45] right [12:45] ScottK: theres's no kmail because the patch still adds kmail [12:45] which does not exist so netbook simply doesn't display it [12:47] uhhh, the patch has been there since 4.4 [12:47] exciting how it managed to get through some >=3 patch reviews [12:48] I think most people reviewing kde-workspace patches get a headache after ~half of them [12:50] I wonder why that is... [12:51] good think kde-workspace is going away in the feature I guess? ^^ [12:52] yeah, we can then apply 3000 patches violating the patch policy to each of the 10 packages [12:52] 10 times the patchery \o/ [12:53] but but - the reviews are more atomic then! :D [12:55] yeah, I really don't think the problem is the amount it's the attitude [12:56] if I look for shit that can be upstreamed then I will obviously ignore our favorite patch [12:56] if I look for us doing something wrong then I probably would find that patch and rage for an hour [12:57] because that is the point of a review, looking for things that are wrong [12:57] otherwise we'd call it a patch-upstreaming-assessment [12:57] or patch upstreamery for short [12:57] but we don't [13:05] ScottK: bug fixed [13:05] I added a card to remove that patch [13:09] apachelogger: which patch is that? [13:09] kubuntu_netbook_favourites.diff [13:10] apachelogger: what does/did that do? [13:10] and why don't we want it now? [13:15] the link that shows the packages and their sizes, would it be any good to have somekind of translation what does what? [13:16] jarkko: translation? you can look up the package descriptions with apt-cache I guess [13:17] there was a time that you could choose what packages to install on linux install, are we ever going back to that? [13:18] you still can with the netbook installer which uses d-i but not with the live image installer no (can't be technically implemented and not wanted anyway, one of the focuses of ubuntu is to choose that sort of stuff for you) [13:18] s/netbook/netboot/ [13:18] Riddell meant: "you still can with the netboot installer which uses d-i but not with the live image installer no (can't be technically implemented and not wanted anyway, one of the focuses of ubuntu is to choose that sort of stuff for you)" [13:22] uhuhuhu [13:22] exciting [13:22] I always missed ksystemlog when doing l10n reviews [13:22] that thing has no localization whatsoever [13:22] ... [13:24] or is it from the SC [13:24] !info ksystemlog [13:24] ksystemlog (source: ksystemlog): system log viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.11.2-0ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 379 kB, installed size 954 kB [13:24] it has an SC version, internetz says it is not [13:25] it lives in kdeadmin, yet it is not localized for me [13:25] maybe not complete in hebrew :S [13:26] phew [13:27] not translated in he [13:27] all goody \o/ [13:27] that thing totally should polkit though [14:04] Riddell: \o/ [14:06] hum, virtualbox dosen't want to run amd64 images on this computer complaining I only have i386 kernel running, but uname says I'm running x86_64 [14:07] so foo, I guess I can't test any more [14:07] lordievader: are you able to do any of those amd64 tests? [14:16] Riddell: make sure you choose 64bit version of type when creating the vm [14:16] Riddell: files ready for you ktextwidgets being first priority [14:18] sgclark: where's that option? [14:18] First screen when naming it, scroll down box eg: ubuntu 64 bit for kubuntu [14:19] I have made that mistake before :) [14:20] Riddell: unfortunately I have not found a way to change after made, will have to start over afaik [14:22] sgclark: wow that is not obvious at all [14:22] Riddell: yup I agree, it has got me a few times : / [14:23] oh "VT-x/AMD-V hardware accelaration has been enabled but is not operational" I guess my cheap laptop here is missing some processor extentions [14:29] ah hah, a quick twiddle in the bios settings and it seems to work [14:29] I wonder why you'd ever want those turned off [15:13] yofel: sorta, you have to use scripts provided in ubuntu-defaults-builder IIRC [15:14] yofel: that is the most reliable way to build ISO's [15:15] you can then customize things by copying over the entire auto folder and modifying auto/config [15:15] yofel: see the neon iso builder [15:20] apachelogger: ping [15:20] apachelogger: if I call File.new on a existing file, will it overwrite it's contents? [15:21] or only modify contents of said existing file [15:33] waa, can anyone successfully login to wiki.kubuntu.org ? [15:34] Riddell: I have something for you... http://vimeo.com/84685858 - enjoy! :D [15:36] jussi: aah the crunch of the ice as you paddle through it, nothing like it [15:36] jussi: anyone you know? [15:37] Riddell: no, just came to my FB stream from some outdoors guy I follow [15:39] Riddell: Still need someone for the amd64 testing? [15:40] Good afternoon, btw. [15:40] lordievader: there's 1 marked undone on amd64 but I marked it ready anyway [15:41] Riddell: Should I still test it? [15:41] lordievader: if convenient yes that would be nice [15:42] Riddell: Sure, I'm on it ;) [15:42] lovely [15:44] Riddell: The auto-resize should be tested right, not the Non-English live session? [15:47] shadeslayer: in what language? [15:47] rooby [15:47] kubotu: google ruby class file [15:47] Results for ruby class file: 1. Class: File (Ruby 2.1.0) - Ruby-Doc.org: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core/File.html | 2. Class: File::Stat (Ruby 1.9.3) - Ruby-Doc.org: http://ruby-doc.org/core-1.9.3/File/Stat.html | 3. Including a Ruby class from a separate file - Stack Overflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1050749/including-a-ruby-class-from-a-separate-file [15:47] shadeslayer: ruby has rather excellent class documentation [15:47] mhmm [15:47] I looked [15:47] shadeslayer: new wouldn't do anything though I think [15:47] you actually have to open a file to change it :P [15:47] same in every language [15:48] oh, you can actually open it right away [15:48] neat [15:48] shadeslayer: depends on the mode flags [15:48] shadeslayer: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.0/File.html#method-c-new [15:48] yeah was looking at that [15:48] also [15:48] right [15:49] apachelogger: rewrite branch has no lib/starter? [15:49] that block points to http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.0/IO.html#method-c-new [15:49] and that block explains the flags [15:49] shadeslayer: yeah [15:49] Riddell: I have tons of collisions with HTML docs, can I change the HTML_INSTALL_DIR in extra-cmake-modules or do I have to rename tons of files? [15:49] so ... should I remove the line that says require lib/starter [15:49] starter was a cruch to force procedural descreteness of execution flow ^^ [15:50] shadeslayer: :O [15:50] dude [15:50] I was getting inspired from libqapt [15:50] if you want to try rewrite you need not write a script [15:50] oh [15:50] ruby tarme.rb --origin trunk --version 0.0 kcm-touchpad [15:50] no clue if it will produce a valid tarball tho :P [15:50] oh heh [15:51] da de dum dum [15:52] sgclark: hmm, can you give some examples? [15:52] apachelogger: still fails [15:53] http://pastebin.kde.org/ [15:57] Riddell: the entire /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kioslave folder [15:57] Riddell: well most of it [15:58] my brain is a complete potato right now [15:58] apachelogger: http://pastebin.kde.org/pnu2jleti/xcxl8k/raw [15:59] shadeslayer: sudo apt-get install subversion [15:59] .... === jono is now known as Guest95543 [16:00] oh heh, I thought it couldn't find anything on anonsvn [16:00] well [16:00] like I said, brain is a complete potato right now [16:00] you are not alone with that assumption [16:00] the problem really is that people don't know what svn output looks like [16:00] cause when svn doesn't find a file it throws walls of text at you [16:01] I see [16:01] * apachelogger totally managed to link kcm_language against libkubuntu [16:04] hurray paste.kde.org is totally broken now [16:05] doesn't even give me a url to copy [16:05] http://pastebin.kde.org/p2bc9wduw [16:05] looks like it's went into some sort of loop? [16:08] sgclark: well, hum, you have come across an interesting issue [16:09] sgclark: do you have any others? [16:09] Riddell: The auto-resize amd64 installs fine, runs fine too :) [16:09] lordievader: awooga! [16:09] That is on this kvm machine ;) [16:09] Riddell: not yet, only kio [16:09] sgclark: but I guess this will affect everything [16:10] Riddell: yeah, tis why I asked before doing anything [16:10] sgclark: but it would be nice if khelpcentre could read both kf5 and kdelibs4 based documentation [16:11] then again, who really uses khelpcentre? [16:12] Riddell: I only use it to test documention [16:12] sgclark: I guess for now just change it in extra-make-modules to /doc/kf5/HTML [16:12] Riddell: but I suspect some use it, not everyone is genious, trust me I have done user support [16:12] or doc/kde5/HTML since upstream uses "kde5" for other directories (against all upstream branding guidelines) [16:13] Riddell: yeah I was thinking kde5, will go with that [16:13] Man pages are read, so why not KDE documentation. [16:14] lordievader: when was the last time you read it? [16:15] Euhh... man pages today. I've read the Kubuntu doc quite recently to check for errors... [16:16] it doesn't count if you're proofreading :) [16:16] Riddell: I know what you are saying, but you have to remember there are everyday regular users out there :) [16:17] right, I just wonder if they read the documentation [16:17] anyway, academic discussion [16:17] Was afraid of that one. Then never I guess for the KDE documentation. But I guess I'm not a typical user. [16:18] These days most search the web, wikis are more important [16:18] right [16:18] Perhaps askin the Kubuntu (support) mailing list if they use it is an ide? [16:18] idea* [16:18] True, true. [16:21] apachelogger: fantastic article for ppa :) [16:21] meant ==> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/neon-5s-many-ppas-apt/ [16:23] I should have become professional blogger shouldn't I :P [16:23] glad you liked it [16:37] sgclark: ktextwidgets uploaded! [16:37] Riddell: woohoo ty [16:37] sgclark: I tidies up the line endings on the end of files, added one to rules and removed some exess ones from .install, may as well start off tidy [16:38] sgclark: oh also removed the header text from debian/watch, again just to be tidy [16:39] Riddell: ok grabbed that from another package, will remove the header from now on and try to remember new lines "grabs sticky note" [16:47] Riddell: extra-cmake-modules ready [16:48] sgclark: kemoticons uploaded! [16:48] sgclark: the .symbols file was missing the symbols from the various plugins in that package so I ran the "Updating multiple symbols files at once" bit at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html to complete it [16:49] l10n part of libkubuntu pretty functional and most of the KCM is now based on that (not pushed yet)... only missing is actually qapt specific cache handling (i.e. when you open the kcm right after installation it will display a busy progressbar while the cache is being updated and opened ... currently libkubuntu has no encapsulation for that) [16:49] Oh thank you, that will come in handy for kio [16:50] * Riddell high fives apachelogger [16:51] code in kcm patch down 70 lines :) [16:51] not that it would make that big a difference at large, my busy indicator has like 500 sloc and is part of the patch ;) [16:51] come to think of it, maybe I should move it to libkubuntu [16:52] I think we'll need it for the wallpapers installation thing as well [16:52] currently that just disables everything and adds a progressbar at the bottom or something [16:58] * apachelogger shall do bloggsies tomorrow [17:00] Riddell: if you are still around when alpha is out it would be lovely you could upload ubuntu-release-upgrader from bzr, the changes there possibly will help with upgrade testing tomorrow === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Blue is the new Orange | https://trello.com/kubuntu | LTS upgrad testing on Fri https://trello.com/c/UrVXhl1K - get your VMs ready | 4.12.1 WIP http://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | bugs https://tinyurl.com/ovfcj78 | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | ISO testing http://goo.gl/cRAawa ` [17:01] * apachelogger disappears into thin air [17:04] sgclark: kdesu uploaded! [17:05] sgclark: I added in this to debian/rules override_dh_auto_configure: $(overridden_command) -- -DKDESU_USE_SUDO_DEFAULT=true [17:05] because we like to use sudo [17:05] plus that was the very first code I wrote for Kubuntu so it would be a shame not to use it :) [17:05] ok [17:05] :) [17:07] sgclark: extra-cmake-modules uploaded! [17:07] I changed the version in debian/changelog from ppa7 to ppa8 [17:07] ahh, that is how that works, ty [17:08] learn new things everyday :) [17:09] sgclark: normally we'd add a whole new changelog entry at the top using dch -i but I don't think that's useful to keep the history for this early work [17:10] ok === jono is now known as Guest52764 [18:44] alpha 2 is out! [18:44] lordievader: awesome working on the testing [18:46] grea [18:46] t [18:46] is there any changelog alpha 1 --> alpha 2? [18:51] Riddell: Thanks, glad I could help :) [18:58] il [19:11] Riddell: kxmlgui ready for you, lots depend on it [19:31] how different are these *ubuntus from each other? [20:06] wtf, did something completely trash virtuoso o.O? http://paste.kde.org/pa51d9c00 [21:08]