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MooDoohello all07:01
Myrttihttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lindaliukas/hello-ruby07:02
Guest13800heylo07:04
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MooDoothat looks great Myrtti07:05
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Handwriting Day! :-D07:37
MooDoomorning JamesTait :)07:39
MartijnVdS\o07:55
diploMorning all08:09
MooDoomorning08:09
brobostigonweek two of workfare/mwa here i come,08:10
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:04
MooDoomorning bigcalm09:06
bigcalm!14.0409:09
lubotu3Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu.  See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+109:09
darrenflahertyhey jpds09:10
MooDoobigcalm: I'm running LTS on my laptop, looking forward to upgrading to Trusty :)09:11
bigcalmMooDoo: is there an ISO I can get?09:11
MooDoobigcalm: for trusty?09:12
bigcalmOr do I have to install 13.10 and then try and move to 14.04?09:12
bigcalmMooDoo: yes09:12
MooDoowell there is this page - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/09:12
MooDoobigcalm: what version are you on at the moment?09:12
bigcalmMooDoo: not yet installed. This is for my new laptop that just arrived :)09:13
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MooDoobigcalm: go for Saucy then, it's the current version09:13
MooDoo13.10, then you can upgrade when it's released, unless your a die hard and like to play :D09:14
bigcalmAh, dailey-live. I was searching the cdimage site but didn't really know where to look09:14
MooDooI just llike to use LTS releases as I'm not bothered about cutting edge tech for what I use09:14
bigcalmMooDoo: I realise that, I wanted to see how well +1 worked out of the box :)09:14
MooDooah there you go then :)09:15
* bigcalm curses his desktop's wifi - limiting the download to 4ish MB/s09:16
MartijnVdSbigcalm: you should talk to knightwise ;)09:18
* foobarry has been virused.09:22
MooDoofoobarry: oooops09:22
MartijnVdSfoobarry: what kind?09:23
darrenflahertydrussell, hi09:26
Myrtti-22C and I need to go get some food and mail a letter X-|09:28
foobarryMartijnVdS: headache/high temp/pains/cough09:29
* foobarry crawls back to bed09:29
MooDooah not computer virus lol09:31
bigcalmfoobarry: I seriously thought you meant a computer virus. Doh. Get well soon09:31
MooDoobigcalm: you're not the only one :d09:31
darrenflahertyjnick_tait: hi09:37
bigcalmRight, how does one transfer the 14.04 ISO onto a USB stick in Linux? The Startup Disk Creator keeps on failing me09:47
MartijnVdSbigcalm: dd09:53
MartijnVdSbigcalm: dd if=isofile of=/dev/sdX09:53
bigcalmThat all?09:54
MartijnVdSbigcalm: it's a hybrid image, which works (and boots) in CD-ROM mode (BIOS and UEFI) and USB stick mode (also BIOS and UEFI)09:54
bigcalmFair enough :)09:54
bigcalmsdc09:55
bigcalmdd if=Downloads/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc09:55
bigcalmNice and simple09:55
directhexclearly the tech was stolen from Ye Olde SteamOSe09:55
bigcalmHeh09:56
MartijnVdSdirecthex: obviously, where else?09:56
directhex(note: THIS IS A JOKE, THE REVERSE IS TRUE)09:56
bigcalmBefore turning the new laptop on, I have already replaced the windows8 HDD with a blank SSD09:57
bigcalmNow to see if the image boots09:57
bigcalmdd says that it's finished its work yet the USB stick is still flashing :S09:58
MartijnVdSbigcalm: cache!09:58
MartijnVdSmaybe waiting for 'sync' helps?09:58
bigcalmYeah, fun09:58
bigcalmI'm surprised with dd though. Would have thought that it would have done write immediately09:59
MartijnVdSbigcalm: add "fsync" to the command line :)09:59
bigcalmMartijnVdS: I'll try to remember that for next time ;)09:59
bigcalmInstalling \o/10:05
bigcalmThe install screen says "Welcome to Ubuntu 13.10"10:05
MooDooyay10:06
bigcalmI'm guessing that there are more important things to do before the install screen text10:06
MartijnVdSbigcalm: I'd file a bug just in case10:07
bigcalmHeh10:08
bigcalmThe 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot.10:09
MartijnVdSuhhh10:10
MartijnVdShow did you partition the drive?10:10
MartijnVdSjust "Automatic use all" or manually?10:10
bigcalmMartijnVdS: left eveything to to the automatic stuff10:10
bigcalmThe "Install crashed" window will now not close10:11
bigcalmIssued a sudo shutdown -P now from tty210:12
bigcalmNow, do I try with 13.10 or try and tinker with the efi system?10:12
bigcalmpopey: ping :)10:14
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bigcalmhttp://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1873959/solved-ubuntu-linux-installing-computer.html10:24
bigcalmThe guy gives up and installs Fedora10:24
bigcalmAppointment with my bank manager in a bit. Best have a shave :S10:25
diploAnybody here use VMWare ESX with failover? ( redundancy )10:27
bigcalmGood news about OZC10:38
MartijnVdSOh?10:38
bigcalmhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/toshiba-purchase-of-ocz-finalized-first-new-products-released/10:40
davmor2Morning all11:01
* foobarry resurfaces11:01
bashrcperiscope up11:04
MooDoomorning davmor211:09
davmor2Hey MooDoo 'ow am ya chap11:09
davmor2bigcalm: is your spycamera here yet?11:09
MooDoodavmor2: fedup.com :D11:12
davmor2MooDoo: have a sadtrombone.com you won't feel so glum11:13
MooDoonew job please lol11:14
davmor2MooDoo: take a look see at http://www.canonical.com/careers11:15
RaxMatthey guys11:17
MartijnVdSMattMan11:17
RaxMatt¬.¬11:17
MooDoodavmor2: yeah just had a look, liked the look of the support engineer one, but can't speak manderin ;)11:17
MartijnVdSMooDoo: no better way to learn than immersion11:18
davmor2MooDoo: wuss ;)11:18
MooDooMartijnVdS: I think mandering is a bit over my head :)11:18
MooDoodavmor2: geez thanks for the support :p11:18
knightwiseafternoon everyone11:25
MooDoohello knightwise11:26
foobarryanyone get a letter from the tax man today?11:26
foobarryabout new tax code11:26
knightwisehey MooDoo :)11:26
knightwise how are you guys today11:26
* knightwise is playing with his Xfce box , tweakin it a bit11:27
knightwiseDoes anybody know the name of the backup application that is the standard one in ubuntu ?11:39
foobarrydejadup?11:39
knightwisei Like the fact you can backup your stuff anywhere11:39
knightwiseah :) Dejadup ! :)11:39
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MooDootrying to introduce code club to my local school :D12:17
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bigcalmdavmor2: yes. Tried to install 14.04. Looks like it got to the end except for this error: <bigcalm> The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot.12:34
bigcalmThe screen is very nice12:35
davmor2xnox: ^12:35
xnoxbigcalm: do you have full install log? "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" if using desktop cd, or collect syslog if using d-i.12:37
xnoxbigcalm: it shouldn't be a problem if grub-efi-amd64-signed fails to install, that only has detached secureboot signatures.12:38
bigcalmxnox: Once I OK'd that error, the whoops something crashed window appeared and would not clear12:38
bigcalmI haven't tried booting since installing12:39
bigcalmWill give it a go :)12:39
bigcalmAh, no boot device found :)12:39
xnoxbigcalm: i'd be interested in that crash dialog to be submitted before reboot... or ubuntu-bug ubiquity also before reboot.... =)12:40
xnoxbigcalm: otherwise, can you fetch /var/log/installer/* from that system, if there is anything?12:40
xnoxbigcalm: e.g. by booting back into live cd and mounting the target.12:40
bigcalmxnox: do you want me to start the install from fresh and then try to provide you with information. Or do you want me to boot to the 'try before you buy' desktop and try to provide you with information?12:41
davmor2bigcalm: I'd say xnox is awesome but he does have to get his head out of the doorways, so I won't :)12:41
xnoxbigcalm: from the "try before you buy" provide me with info =)12:43
bigcalmxnox: okay, walk me though it :)12:46
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xnoxbigcalm: boot into live cd, click Try Ubuntu, "ctrl-alt-t" on the keyboard to start terminal, "sudo nautilus"12:47
MartijnVdSor Ctrl+Alt+F1, and just go from the terminal :)12:47
xnoxbigcalm: under devices on the left you should see your current hard-drives, click on them to mount12:47
xnoxbigcalm: than, find the most recent install and open up "var/log/installer" i want all of those files copied & pasted into e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com12:48
xnox(e.g. open firefox on the left) assuming you have internet connection.12:48
bigcalmSorry, a silly client phoned12:53
* bigcalm presses keys12:53
bigcalmvar/log/installer does not exist12:59
MartijnVdSbigcalm: on the (not-quite-)installed system12:59
xnoxbigcalm: =(((( reinstall12:59
xnoxbigcalm: and if the install crashes, don't reboot, press "ctrl-alt-t" and do "ubuntu-bug ubiquity"13:00
xnoxor if poop-ups appear click through to file a bug.13:00
bigcalmWill do13:00
knightwise:) Deja-du :) Its like Crashplan for linux :)13:00
bigcalmTried to do that last bit, it didn't work13:00
directhexcrashplan is like crashplan for linux!13:01
knightwisedirecthex: I think i should give the headless version of crashplan a try on linux ,13:01
knightwisebecause the "regular" one isn't any good :(13:02
knightwisekeeps storing updates in the wrong location13:02
bigcalmWaiting for LP to process the report and let me finish it13:26
bigcalmDoes this usually take a while?13:26
MartijnVdSbigcalm: about a minute, I guess13:29
bigcalmStill waiting13:30
bigcalmOh, it did finish :)13:30
bigcalmJust that the screen looks the same as it did before - laptop is on the floor while I got on with work13:30
MartijnVdS♫ let the laptops hit the floor13:32
MartijnVdS?13:32
twagerAnyone tell me if the Nokia Lumia mounts as a block device in Linux ?13:35
davmor2twager: I'm assuming mtp same as android13:36
knightwiseMass storage device13:36
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knightwiseat least the 620 does13:36
bigcalmxnox: bug 127193413:40
lubotu3bug 1271934 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "14.04 failed to complete install with the error "The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/."" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127193413:40
xnoxbigcalm: scary!13:40
bigcalmxnox: it is?13:41
MartijnVdSJan 23 13:19:07 ubuntu ubiquity: E: Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu 14.04 LTS _Trusty Tahr_ - Alpha amd64 (20140123)/pool/main/g/grub2/grub-efi-amd64-bin_2.00-22_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch13:41
MartijnVdSso either your 'dd' went wrong, or your copy of the .iso got corrupted somehow, or the copy on the server is corrupt.13:42
bigcalmOkay, I'll start by re-running dd and do another install13:42
MartijnVdSbigcalm: I'd restart with checking the ISO :)13:43
xnoxbigcalm: your media is most-likely borked.13:43
bigcalmYay13:43
twagerdavmor2: Don't think so as my xperia mounts ok but my old sanfran does not..13:43
MartijnVdSxnox: it could be that the iso he downloaded is borked13:43
xnoxbigcalm: yeah or that.13:43
xnoxbigcalm: i have the same iso stamp and grub-efi-amd64-signed .deb md5sum matches on disk and in Packages.gz file.13:44
xnoxbigcalm: verify iso md5sum after download, and recreate your install media.13:44
bigcalmd2ef4f5333aec03ea1ca11abd2f1c0fc *trusty-desktop-amd64.iso13:45
bigcalmd2ef4f5333aec03ea1ca11abd2f1c0fc  trusty-desktop-amd64.iso13:45
bigcalmmd5sum is correct13:45
smittixafternoon all13:46
knightwisehey smittix13:46
knightwise:)13:46
bigcalmWhat was the option to write at once rather than have it cache?13:46
bigcalmdd13:46
xnoxbigcalm: hm, can you do $ mount trusty-desktop-amd64.iso /mnt/13:46
xnoxwait, nah,13:47
xnoxbigcalm: boot into "try ubuntu" and do $ md5sum /cdrom/pool/main/g/grub2-signed/grub-efi-amd64-signed_1.27+2.00-22_amd64.deb13:47
xnoxbigcalm: and compare it with mounting iso locally, I get: d4bd5b4f9dcd9876cf50e04396c2f93013:48
bigcalmxnox: I get that md5sum as well13:49
davmor2bigcalm: what are you burning it from?13:50
xnoxbigcalm: click on network manager on the top right and disable interentz13:50
bigcalmUg, I've just shutdown the machine again13:51
xnoxbigcalm: wait a second.13:51
* bigcalm waits :)13:51
xnoxbigcalm: it's not -signed which is borked in your log but grub-efi-amd64-bin13:51
bigcalmdavmor2: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso13:51
davmor2bigcalm: no I use k3b how did you burn the image?13:52
xnoxf35d0af7f65c6ee2e58fa2cbe1577360  ./pool/main/g/grub2/grub-efi-amd64-bin_2.00-22_amd64.deb13:52
bigcalmdavmor2: oh, dd13:52
xnoxbigcalm: can you check md5sum of above (prefix with cdrom) from within "Try Ubuntu session" ?13:52
bigcalmxnox: sure, one moment13:52
bigcalmYay, different number!13:54
davmor2bigcalm: that might be the issue then.  You want to use growisofs iirc if you are burning from the cli.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning bottom of the page unless you are using a usb stick13:55
xnoxbigcalm: i rest my case, sir =) re-create media ;-)13:55
xnoxbigcalm: there should a boot option - press esc at the beginning to execute / validate installation media.13:56
xnoxbigcalm: it takes a while, but helps to catch errors like these.13:56
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6803047/13:56
bigcalmOkay13:57
bigcalmxnox: thanks for the help :)13:58
bigcalmCheck finished: errors found in 17 files!14:01
MartijnVdStime to buy a new USB stick14:08
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BigRedSApparently there's a site/toy that'll let you 'open' another webpage in it and play around with the HTML as a way of learning HTML; anyone know what it is?14:09
MartijnVdSCtrl+Shift+J in Chrome ;)14:10
MartijnVdSyou can edit the HTML and see the effects immediately from there14:10
BigRedSooh, nifty14:12
MartijnVdSalso CSS and JS, of course14:12
foobarryif this is real then cool http://messagetoeagle.com/easterislandbodies.php#.UuEjunhFDQo14:14
MartijnVdSmessage toe agle?14:14
foobarrywhy did nobody dig before?14:15
MooDoofoobarry: http://www.livescience.com/20580-easter-island-heads-bodies.html14:16
MartijnVdSfoobarry: the images look shopped14:16
Myrttihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ahu_Tongariki.jpg14:18
Myrttiwell, the news of the petroglyphs hasn't yet made surface elsewhere it seems14:21
Myrttipetroglyphs themselves though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island#Petroglyphs14:21
bigcalmDoes the 5th one have a cake on its head?14:22
MartijnVdSbigcalm: that must mean he's the boss14:23
bigcalm:D14:24
Myrttibigcalm: no, a 'pukao'14:24
Myrttidamn you and the person who set me on a Wikipedia binge14:24
MartijnVdSMyrtti: at least it's not tvtropes14:24
bigcalmHEhe, aww14:24
MartijnVdSMyrtti: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LandmarkOfLore14:25
Myrttiahha! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai#Markings_.28post_stone_working.2914:25
Myrttihöh14:27
foobarrywe nicked one for the brit museum?14:28
MyrttiMartijnVdS: neither that article or "weaponised landmark" mentions the jumping Moai from Super Mario on Gameboy14:28
bigcalmRe-created the install media. Now running the check before installing :)14:28
foobarrytime for a kip14:28
bigcalmNo errors \o/14:28
MartijnVdSMyrtti: Super Mario Land's World 3 has Moai not only in the background, but also as enemies. (They're called by other names in the manual, but come on.) Even the boss is a stone-throwing Moai. Not to mention the fact that World 3 is called Easton.14:28
MartijnVdSMyrtti: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EenieMeenieMinyMoai14:29
Myrttiright14:29
Laneywow, just started bucketing down14:33
MooDooyeah here too :D14:38
Laneyfunny that14:38
diploBlue skies here, for once no rain!14:38
RaxMattmy servers are on rackspace now \o/14:40
RaxMattand by jimminy they're fast14:41
bigcalmI have a working laptop. Yay :)14:43
bigcalmxnox & davmor2: thank you both :)14:44
davmor2bigcalm: you're welcome dude enjoy all the goodness14:44
* bigcalm waits for things to break :P14:46
bigcalmI see that there is a lack of a battery monitor icon :(14:47
davmor2bigcalm: on the installed system ther eshould be14:47
bigcalmdavmor2: I don't see it14:47
* bigcalm shuts down to get on with his darn work14:49
SuperMattyo yo yo14:51
davmor2bigcalm: go into settings power and see what the status is for the show battery status in the menu bar I have it when battery is present14:51
SuperMattIn west philidelphia bored and raised, on the playground is where I spend most of my days14:51
davmor2SuperMatt: fired already that was quick ;)14:51
bigcalmdavmor2: as do I14:52
davmor2SuperMatt: at least your old nick^wjob hadn't gone hey14:52
RaxMattI'm still here14:52
SuperMattI'm just porting my server across14:52
MooDooSuperMatt: RaxMatt free hosting now on their cloud?14:53
davmor2bigcalm: I'm just updating I'll see if mine disappears14:53
bigcalmWow, I had a newer version of ubuntu than davmor2 for a change14:53
SuperMattMooDoo: yup14:53
davmor2bigcalm: busy working on the older version for the apps :)14:54
MooDooSuperMatt: nice14:55
davmor2bigcalm: oh no I'm up-to-date so just you then dude :P14:55
bigcalmdavmor2: ho hum14:55
bigcalmAlso, who thought it would be a good idea to make the track pad buttons also part of the track pad?14:55
davmor2forgot the archive is frozen for alpha214:56
davmor2bigcalm: that is the issue on mine that I told you about really annoying right.  You can get used to it though14:56
bigcalmdavmor2: means that I can no longer use 2 hands to move windows around14:57
bigcalmGuess I'll continue to use an external mouse14:58
davmor2bigcalm: yes you can14:58
davmor2bigcalm: left click and move works fine here14:59
davmor2bigcalm: or you can just click down and keep your finger pressed down and move it14:59
MartijnVdSbit it annoys!15:00
davmor2MartijnVdS: indeed it's when you get everything lined up nicely and then go to click on the button and it moves the cursor nothing worse15:01
bigcalmThe touch screen is odd in Ubuntu15:01
MartijnVdSthat too15:02
MartijnVdScan't get scrolling to work with it15:02
MartijnVdSit's "just" a mouse pointer15:02
bigcalmYep15:03
popeybigcalm: pong15:17
popeyI think I may have a memory leak15:17
popey  PID USER      PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU %MEM     TIME+ COMMAND15:17
popey 1710 root      20   0 2671944 2.212g 210352 S  12.6 14.2 108:28.86 Xorg15:17
bigcalmpopey: too late, xnox and davmor2 helped me get my laptop install fixed15:20
MartijnVdSpopey: only 2GB? You have 16! ;)15:21
popeyyour spycam arrived?15:21
foobarryresources exapnd to what's avaiable...15:21
popeyits also constant 10%15:21
popeywhich it never was on saucy15:21
davmor2popey: what have was told you about the ear buds, when you feel resistance stop pushing15:22
popeydavmor2: you on trusty on intel?15:22
popey(or anyone)15:22
davmor2popey: I am15:22
davmor2popey: it is optimus gfx15:22
popeytop.. press m, is xorg near top?15:22
popeyno, intel15:22
davmor2but the nvidia bit is broken15:22
davmor2popey: second15:23
popeymy latest ebay item arrived broken ☹15:23
popeyhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141142336606?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l264915:23
foobarrycompiz top on my 1204 box grr15:23
popeyhttp://imgur.com/KiZEPZ6,nspyQCB15:23
bigcalmpopey: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/426375609325858816/photo/115:28
bigcalmWell this isn't good15:28
bigcalmI can't shutdown my laptop15:28
popeyomg!15:28
bigcalmIt constantly reboots15:28
MartijnVdSbigcalm: it's spying on you15:28
popeylaptop with numeric keypad ⍨15:28
bigcalmpopey: the keyboard is rather odd15:28
bigcalmNot used the laptop in anger yet15:29
bigcalmI've tried sudo shutdown -P now15:29
bigcalmEven that rebooted15:30
bigcalmTo take the battery out, I will have to unscrew the back of the machine15:30
bigcalmTime to press and hold the power button15:30
davmor2popey: htop makes it clearer still :)15:30
davmor2popey: I a laptop with an numeric pad too, it's great for typing in credit card numbers :D15:31
* davmor2 hugs htop it's so much easier to follow than top :)15:32
popeyoh jeez15:32
popeyevery single damn time I say top15:32
popeysomeone somewhere on the internet tells me to use htop15:33
Dave2popey: have you tried htop?15:33
popey"no".15:33
MartijnVdSDave2: is the "h" silent (like in American "herb")15:33
popeyi even ran top just now, took a screenshot to put online and then thought "nah, someone will say use htop"15:33
popeygoits15:33
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davmor2popey: top is great for a quick assessment but I find it easier to follow things on htop.  Which is all I said not that you should use it :P15:35
foobarrydo u have to be dumb to get on daytime quiz shows?15:36
MartijnVdSfoobarry: "u"? are you trying to get on a daytime quiz show? ;)15:37
popeyi just don't see it15:37
popeyhttp://imgur.com/qJ36U9Z15:37
popey"Is xorg using lots of RAM?" -> "Yes"15:37
MartijnVdSpopey: do you have 3d-heavy programs running?15:37
popeynope15:38
foobarryhtop can show threaded processes or not15:38
MartijnVdSfoobarry: so can top15:38
foobarryhtop shows colours15:38
popeyit's like me saying "can you google for foo"15:38
popey"No, I'd rather use BING"15:38
popeyI DO NOT CARE15:38
popeythe question was "is xorg using ram" not "what's your favorite cpu monitor"15:38
popeymeh15:38
popey15:39
foobarrypopey got trolled15:39
popey5GB disk cache tho ☻15:40
MartijnVdSpopey: and an SSD?15:40
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popeytwo15:42
popey / or one, /home on the other15:42
popeyhttp://www.itwire.com/it-industry-news/deals/62910-ibm-sells-server-division-to-lenovo15:42
MartijnVdSpopey: still, all SSD15:42
popeyya15:43
popeyno rust15:43
foobarryhttp://www.itnews.com.au/News/370344,hacker-gets-facebooks-keys-to-the-kingdom.aspx15:45
JGJonesI might be a bit late to the party, but I was wondering my dear friend popey if you had heard of this excellent CPU monitor. It comes with colour too. As an additional bonus, it also have an extra letter over top. This letter is h. Most probably stand for Hyper and we all know Hyper make anything better. So popey, allow me to introduce you to htop!15:52
popey"lol"15:53
JGJonesNo love for atop though? :P16:01
diploOr iotop16:08
foobarryi've got 50 mins of enfroced bed rest, what programme/youtube/etc can i watch?16:10
bigcalmfoobarry: hat films16:10
bigcalmfoobarry: they are nutty :)16:10
foobarryiplayer is still flash based? ugh16:11
bigcalmget_iplayer FTW!16:12
bigcalmAnd the web interface even more so :D16:12
foobarrychrome frw16:12
popeyfoobarry: here's one for you.. only 11 mins though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlZ8iPaufTg16:18
popey:D16:18
Myrttibigcalm: get-iplayer is nice, because you can set it to use a proxy by default ;-)16:18
popeyMyrtti: feel free to send me your tv license fee and I'll passs it on, promise.16:19
Myrttipopey: I'll have to ask the SO for that16:20
foobarrypopey: seemed rather incorrect view in the first 10 seconds16:23
popeyyeah, he dives right in16:24
popeywas only joshing16:24
foobarryshowed blatant ignorance16:24
foobarryhe lost me already16:24
popeyheh16:24
shaunooh tihs goes on the "if you do this" list.  uses a setting "maxLenght".  if you subconsciously use the correct spelling, no workey.16:44
=== Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte
bigcalmAnybody know why my laptop reboots instead of powering off?17:02
davmor2bigcalm: it hates you?17:02
bigcalmdavmor2: that's a given17:02
drusselllol17:03
davmor2bigcalm: I can't think of an obvious reason why it wouldn't shut down17:03
drusselldavmor2: what's the laptop? and recent change or always been like that?17:04
drusselldavmor2: and same behaviour from VT as from gui?17:04
bigcalmIt shuts down, and then powers back up again. I wonder if it's something in the BIOS (or whatever it's called these days)17:05
davmor2drussell: not my laptop bigcalms17:05
bigcalmdrussell: http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd?oc=cn75305&model_id=inspiron-15-753717:05
drusselldavmor2: sorry, apologies, not paying enough attention!17:05
bigcalmdrussell: running 14.0417:05
drussellbigcalm: always done it, or new behaviour?17:05
bigcalmdrussell: the machine was delivered this morning :)17:06
drussellbigcalm: hehehe awesome, congrats :o)17:06
drussellbigcalm: sometimes they need different acpi quirks loaded to get around that kind of issue17:06
bigcalmdrussell: I thought it might be an apci issue, just don't know what the best settings will be :)17:07
drussellbigcalm: if you switch to a VT after having logged out, what does "sudo shutdown -h -q now" do?17:08
bigcalmI haven't tried with -q17:10
bigcalmBut -P now reboots17:10
drussellbigcalm: interesting17:11
bigcalmIs -h -q the same as -P now?17:11
drussellbigcalm: the -q shouldn't make any difference, just quiet17:11
bigcalmAh, -h is halt17:11
drussellbigcalm: yup17:11
bigcalmI'll try just doing a halt17:11
drussellbigcalm: H P and h are all the same17:11
drussellbigcalm: are you using the nvidia binary drivers also?17:12
bigcalmdrussell: not yet17:12
bigcalmlspci: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6803821/17:13
bigcalmI get the feeling that I'll run into the optimus problems17:13
bigcalmI've issued a halt. I can't tell if it's finished shutting down or has frozen :S17:13
drussellbigcalm: it's likely.... if you're not planning to use the nvidia hardware, can you disable it from the uefi settings?17:14
drussellbigcalm: lol @ shutdown or frozen17:14
bigcalmThe ubuntu and 5 dots are on screen with the 1st one orange17:14
bigcalmI held down power17:15
bigcalmI want to use nvidia!17:15
drussellbigcalm: in that case, I'd suggest installing the binary drivers, see if that changes the behaviour for better or worse17:16
bigcalmAre you still talking about the shut down issue?17:17
bigcalmI'll get around to graphics some other time :)17:17
Myrttioops http://usvsth3m.com/post/74285062011/you-wont-believe-why-the-victoria-line-is-currently17:25
davmor2bigcalm: stay on intel for now the nvidia guys still haven't fixed the 3.13 kernel issue yet17:31
bigcalmdavmor2: that's what I thought17:32
davmor2bigcalm: it's in the works apparently17:32
davmor2drussell: optimus is broken on 3.13 the intel part is fine but the minute you enable the nvidia bit it falls back to safe gfx mode17:35
drusselldavmor2: ahhhhhh I thought that'd been fixed :o(17:37
* Laney gives in and mails directhex for a key17:58
=== alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD
mappsapplied for another job18:12
mapps:D18:12
mappsannoying it just says salary 'competitive'18:12
bigcalmmapps: what kind of job?18:15
mappssystem engineer architecht fanc title really.way more fancy than needs be18:16
mappsworking for William Hill in London18:16
mappsannoying when they just say competitive and stuff18:17
mappsthey had a few other roles but im not doing tchnical lead/service support roles 20-25k and living in London?18:17
Laney"crap but we know someone will take it anyway"18:18
mappsyea definitely18:18
mappsand sure if you live 10 to a house you'd manage18:18
mappsbut i couldn't manage on 25k in London paying 1200+ rent18:18
TheOpenSourcererdirecthex: Nice one :-) You got an indirect mention in ars: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/steamos-beta-adds-legacy-bios-official-dual-boot-support/18:22
directhexTheOpenSourcerer, old news! the new news is https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/01/msg00006.html18:32
ali1234i'm impressed how quickly valve picked that stuff up. they've also been very responsive to the trivial bugs i reported on steam for linux18:46
ali1234which were just silly stuff like "your XDG shortcuts are wrong"18:47
ali1234really trivial stuff that doesn't even affect the officially supported platforms. but they fixed it anyway18:47
directhextheir engineers are really sharp18:48
directhexit'd piss them the hell off to be wrong18:49
MartijnVdSlike true debian devs ;)18:49
TheOpenSourcererdirecthex: Yeah - I'd heard that a day or two ago.18:56
MartijnVdSGood news: http://www.zdnet.com/uks-security-branch-says-ubuntu-most-secure-end-user-os-7000025312/20:55
MartijnVdSUK's security branch says Ubuntu most secure end-user OS20:55
ali1234NO20:57
ali1234no they don't20:57
ali1234this was well and truly debunked last week20:57
MartijnVdStell that to zdnet20:58
ali1234zdnet sucks20:58
* bigcalm waves from the new laptop :)21:02
MartijnVdS\o21:02
MartijnVdSit working OK then?21:02
bigcalmMartijnVdS, current problem is that I can't power off the machine without holding down the power button. But working okay otherwise :)21:03
MartijnVdSbigcalm: just suspend instead ;)21:04
bigcalm;)21:04
Myrttiwell, the Hello Ruby-book which had less than ten backers when I first saw it, now has 1213 backers, with less than a day behind it, and has got 537% of the requested funding21:06
bigcalmI really really like the display21:06
popeybigcalm: what happens when you shutdown?21:08
bigcalmpopey: the system powers itself back on21:09
popeybigcalm: be interested to know if the upstream kernel does it21:11
popeyhttp://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13-trusty/21:12
popeythat one21:12
bigcalmpopey: so just install the deb and reboot?21:12
popeydebs21:13
popeythe two amd64 and the all one21:13
bigcalmOh yes, headers as well21:13
bigcalmOkay21:13
bigcalmAny particular order?21:14
popeyall 3 at once21:14
popeydownload them and dpkg -i 1.deb 2.deb 3.deb21:14
bigcalmah, I see21:14
popeyand maybe then also grab the 3.12 too21:14
popeybe interested to know if this is a regression21:14
* bigcalm reboot21:18
bigcalms21:18
bigcalm<bigcalm> Linux iain-laptop 3.13.0-031300-generic #201401192235 SMP Mon Jan 20 03:36:48 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux21:26
bigcalm<bigcalm> Shutdown worked correctly and did not power back on until I told it to do so21:26
bigcalm<bigcalm> Do you want me to check 3.12 as well?21:26
bigcalmWrote all of that in the wrong channel :D21:26
bigcalmdavmor2: battery notification icon appears once I've suspended the laptop by closing the lid21:26
bigcalmpopey: ?21:29
popeyno21:30
bigcalmOkay21:30
popeyso 3.13.0-031300-generic works and stock 3.13 does not?21:30
popeybug time!21:30
bigcalmHeh21:30
popeythats good news21:31
popeyyou can keep using that kernel for now21:31
bigcalmShall I stick with this kernal?21:31
bigcalmkernel21:31
bigcalmSure21:31
popeyreboot into the broken one and do "ubuntu-bug linux" to file a bug21:31
bigcalmOkay21:31
popeyand give us the url or ping jsalisbury with it directly21:31
bigcalmHow do I get grub to show when booting? It's booting straight into Ubuntu without asking21:32
MartijnVdSbigcalm: hold shift I think21:32
bigcalmOkay, I'll try that21:32
popeyyes, hold shift as soon as it powers on21:32
popeyand choose the second option21:32
popeyand then you'll get the list21:32
bigcalmTally ho!21:33
bigcalmThat didn't work :(21:35
bigcalmKeeps booting directly without showing grub21:35
bigcalmCan I edit grub to show the list every time?21:35
MartijnVdSbigcalm: in /etc/default/grub comment the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT line and update-grub21:37
bigcalmTa21:37
MartijnVdSmaybve set GRUB_TIMEOUT to non-zero21:37
bigcalmReboot :)21:38
popeyuhm21:38
popeyhold shift earlier21:38
popeylike, all the time21:38
bigcalmI did21:38
popeyafter you press power button21:38
directhexBEEP21:38
directhexKEY HELD ERROR, PRESS F1 TO CONTINUE21:39
popeynope21:39
popeyshouldn't, thats why it's shift surely?21:39
bigcalmbrb21:39
directhexi once had a motherboard that would throw a "no keyboard, press f1" error if windows ever crashed. shut down cleanly, fine. reboot forcefully, keyboard not found21:39
directhexthis applied only to USB keyboards21:39
directhexso i had a cheap old PS/2 keyboard hanging out the back of the PC, just to hit F1 to continue on occasion21:40
ali1234i had a motherboard once where the PS/2 mouse port died21:40
ali1234you cannot disable PS/2 mouse in windows NT, it's built in to the kernel21:40
ali1234so that computer could not ever run windows again21:40
MartijnVdSwhy not? couldn't it cope with 2 mice at once?21:41
ali1234because it would freeze as soon as anything tried to open the mouse21:41
ali1234even if no mouse was plugged in21:41
MartijnVdSah.. not just electrically dead21:41
MartijnVdSactively dead ;)21:41
bigcalmGood/bad news21:42
bigcalmI've rebooted with the default kernel 3.13.0-5-generic21:42
bigcalmI can now shut down correctly21:43
MartijnVdS\o/21:43
bigcalmWhich means that I don't have a bug to report :S21:43
MartijnVdSbigcalm: you do.. it's still in the Ubuntu kernel21:43
MartijnVdSso they need to get whatever patch is in upstream (or revert whatever they did to break it)21:43
bigcalmI can't reproduce the issue though21:43
MartijnVdSbigcalm: but you can with the Ubuntu kernel right?21:44
MartijnVdSso it's something that's different between stock and ubuntu kernels21:44
bigcalmLinux iain-laptop 3.13.0-5-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 20 19:56:38 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux21:44
MartijnVdSah wait21:44
bigcalmAs far as I can tell, this is the ubuntu kernel21:44
MartijnVdSthe *default* kernel.. not the *stock* one, I need to read better :)21:44
bigcalmThe issue has gone away since installing the 2nd kernel and then booting with the original one21:45
bigcalmMost confusing21:45
MartijnVdSwhat if you power down completely and boot the original one21:47
MartijnVdS(so not stock but ubuntu, the previously broken one)21:47
bigcalmI'll give it a go21:48
popeyyeah, start from scratch21:48
bigcalmThe system is still shutting down correctly with the kernel that comes with Ubuntu 14.0421:51
bigcalmNow to try to remove the upstream kernel and see if it still happens21:53
bigcalmHow do I do that? :)21:53
bigcalmI do have a bug to report though :)21:54
bigcalmBluetooth won't stay disabled21:54
bigcalm!ping21:55
lubotu3pong!21:55
olyhi, any suggestions for me ubuntu 14.10 is locking at boot think its todo with sound22:06
oly14.04 even, is there a parameter to disable at boot22:06
olyor a module i can block,22:07
olyprevious versions of the kernel work, i think something changed probably because there never used to be any driver :p22:07
ali1234you can blacklist alsa modules22:12
olycool i will give that a try, i was not sure if alsa was a module or if it was a sound driver i needed to blacklist22:16
diddledan__so I managed to sleep through the entire day22:19
bigcalmMuch rebooting later. Bluetooth continues to ignore being turned off. This is with both kernels22:22
bigcalmWee, my keybord lights up :D22:24
popeybigcalm: dpkg -l *3.13.0-031300-generic*22:35
popeybigcalm: when you say bluetooth ignores being turned off.. you mean you turn it off and it stays on?22:36
popeyor do you mean you turn it off, reboot, and its back on?22:36
ali1234oly could be either. alsa is a module and each driver is also a separate module.22:36
ali1234probably go for the driver if you know which one it is22:37
olyyeah still happened,22:37
olynot sure on the driver, its likely loading the wrong one22:37
olyas looks like theris still no driver file for this sound card22:37
ali1234check the system logs22:37
olywill report a bug i can see a kernel oops in the logs when i go back to the older kernel22:38
bigcalmpopey: the later22:39
popeybigcalm: thats been the case for years22:40
popeyadd a cronjob to sudo rfkill blah to shut it down ☻22:40
ali1234or disable in the bios22:41
popeybug 92237522:41
popeyhmm22:41
lubotu3bug 922375 in gnome-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth indicator will not stay turned off after reboot" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92237522:41
ali1234rfkill is supposed to save state and restore at the next boot, like alsa does with volume22:41
popeyah22:41
ali1234at least i think it is22:41
ali1234maybe the udev rule got broken recently, like the alsa one did22:42
ali1234bug 126830122:42
lubotu3bug 1268301 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "udev alsa restore restore rules are broken" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126830122:42
bigcalmpopey: funky22:42
ali1234or maybe it doesn't work anything like that, i dunno22:42
ali1234ah here we go: /var/lib/rfkill/saved-state22:49
ali1234and /etc/init/rfkill-store.conf and -restore.conf22:49
ali1234does not appear to use udev22:50
olythat sounds a bit like the issue i am hitting22:51
ali1234nah, you have an oops :)22:51
ali1234show oops pls22:51
olyum one sec need to setup ssh on the other maching22:52
ali1234the alsa udev thing doesn't get fixed by swapping kernels either, it's caused because the udev rules changed, and the way they are parsed is quite complex, so changes in an unrelated rule can affect other rules22:53
olyhttp://pastebin.com/3NqnYFKW22:56
ali1234ooh, that's your video driver22:58
olyactually thats for the working one lol22:58
ali1234definitely report that22:58
oly3.12.0-7 that works fine, i actually have graphics22:59
ali1234probably already reported then22:59
olywhats best way to report, the docs are confusing is it ubunt-bug22:59
olyi was reading some of the docs and could not find an actual command that seemed relevant, they all seemed geared towards applications23:00
ali1234yeah, they are23:00
ali1234that bug should eventually end up on bugs.freedesktop.org anyway23:00
ali1234but you might want to test with the vanilla kernels23:00
ali1234i just searched and i don't see it already reported upstream23:01
olywhat shoudl i type to report it to launchpad ?23:02
ali1234https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6734523:02
lubotu3Freedesktop bug 67345 in DRM/Intel "[BayTrail-M] [drm:intel_pipe_config_compare] *ERROR* mismatch in clock (expected 146250, found 0)" [Normal,Verified: fixed]23:02
ali1234might already be fixed23:02
olyprobably fixed in the kernel that does not boot :)23:03
ali1234probably, yes23:03
olythanks for the help anyway ali1234, will try some things tomorrow23:09
olyat least i have touch screen and video,23:09
olyalthough anyone know if you can make onscreenkeyboard work with unity ?23:10
olyit seems to work for everything but the dash :p23:10
olyanyway thanks again night23:14

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