=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:01] hello all [07:02] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lindaliukas/hello-ruby [07:04] heylo === Guest13800 is now known as mapps [07:05] that looks great Myrtti [07:37] Good morning all; happy Handwriting Day! :-D [07:39] morning JamesTait :) [07:55] \o [08:09] Morning all [08:09] morning [08:10] week two of workfare/mwa here i come, [09:04] Good morning peeps :) [09:06] morning bigcalm [09:09] !14.04 [09:09] Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu. See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+1 [09:10] hey jpds [09:11] bigcalm: I'm running LTS on my laptop, looking forward to upgrading to Trusty :) [09:11] MooDoo: is there an ISO I can get? [09:12] bigcalm: for trusty? [09:12] Or do I have to install 13.10 and then try and move to 14.04? [09:12] MooDoo: yes [09:12] well there is this page - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [09:12] bigcalm: what version are you on at the moment? [09:13] MooDoo: not yet installed. This is for my new laptop that just arrived :) === deegee__ is now known as drussell [09:13] bigcalm: go for Saucy then, it's the current version [09:14] 13.10, then you can upgrade when it's released, unless your a die hard and like to play :D [09:14] Ah, dailey-live. I was searching the cdimage site but didn't really know where to look [09:14] I just llike to use LTS releases as I'm not bothered about cutting edge tech for what I use [09:14] MooDoo: I realise that, I wanted to see how well +1 worked out of the box :) [09:15] ah there you go then :) [09:16] * bigcalm curses his desktop's wifi - limiting the download to 4ish MB/s [09:18] bigcalm: you should talk to knightwise ;) [09:22] * foobarry has been virused. [09:22] foobarry: oooops [09:23] foobarry: what kind? [09:26] drussell, hi [09:28] -22C and I need to go get some food and mail a letter X-| [09:29] MartijnVdS: headache/high temp/pains/cough [09:29] * foobarry crawls back to bed [09:31] ah not computer virus lol [09:31] foobarry: I seriously thought you meant a computer virus. Doh. Get well soon [09:31] bigcalm: you're not the only one :d [09:37] jnick_tait: hi [09:47] Right, how does one transfer the 14.04 ISO onto a USB stick in Linux? The Startup Disk Creator keeps on failing me [09:53] bigcalm: dd [09:53] bigcalm: dd if=isofile of=/dev/sdX [09:54] That all? [09:54] bigcalm: it's a hybrid image, which works (and boots) in CD-ROM mode (BIOS and UEFI) and USB stick mode (also BIOS and UEFI) [09:54] Fair enough :) [09:55] sdc [09:55] dd if=Downloads/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc [09:55] Nice and simple [09:55] clearly the tech was stolen from Ye Olde SteamOSe [09:56] Heh [09:56] directhex: obviously, where else? [09:56] (note: THIS IS A JOKE, THE REVERSE IS TRUE) [09:57] Before turning the new laptop on, I have already replaced the windows8 HDD with a blank SSD [09:57] Now to see if the image boots [09:58] dd says that it's finished its work yet the USB stick is still flashing :S [09:58] bigcalm: cache! [09:58] maybe waiting for 'sync' helps? [09:58] Yeah, fun [09:59] I'm surprised with dd though. Would have thought that it would have done write immediately [09:59] bigcalm: add "fsync" to the command line :) [09:59] MartijnVdS: I'll try to remember that for next time ;) [10:05] Installing \o/ [10:05] The install screen says "Welcome to Ubuntu 13.10" [10:06] yay [10:06] I'm guessing that there are more important things to do before the install screen text [10:07] bigcalm: I'd file a bug just in case [10:08] Heh [10:09] The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot. [10:10] uhhh [10:10] how did you partition the drive? [10:10] just "Automatic use all" or manually? [10:10] MartijnVdS: left eveything to to the automatic stuff [10:11] The "Install crashed" window will now not close [10:12] Issued a sudo shutdown -P now from tty2 [10:12] Now, do I try with 13.10 or try and tinker with the efi system? [10:14] popey: ping :) === carlos is now known as Guest91578 [10:24] http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1873959/solved-ubuntu-linux-installing-computer.html [10:24] The guy gives up and installs Fedora [10:25] Appointment with my bank manager in a bit. Best have a shave :S [10:27] Anybody here use VMWare ESX with failover? ( redundancy ) [10:38] Good news about OZC [10:38] Oh? [10:40] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/toshiba-purchase-of-ocz-finalized-first-new-products-released/ [11:01] Morning all [11:01] * foobarry resurfaces [11:04] periscope up [11:09] morning davmor2 [11:09] Hey MooDoo 'ow am ya chap [11:09] bigcalm: is your spycamera here yet? [11:12] davmor2: fedup.com :D [11:13] MooDoo: have a sadtrombone.com you won't feel so glum [11:14] new job please lol [11:15] MooDoo: take a look see at http://www.canonical.com/careers [11:17] hey guys [11:17] MattMan [11:17] ¬.¬ [11:17] davmor2: yeah just had a look, liked the look of the support engineer one, but can't speak manderin ;) [11:18] MooDoo: no better way to learn than immersion [11:18] MooDoo: wuss ;) [11:18] MartijnVdS: I think mandering is a bit over my head :) [11:18] davmor2: geez thanks for the support :p [11:25] afternoon everyone [11:26] hello knightwise [11:26] anyone get a letter from the tax man today? [11:26] about new tax code [11:26] hey MooDoo :) [11:26] how are you guys today [11:27] * knightwise is playing with his Xfce box , tweakin it a bit [11:39] Does anybody know the name of the backup application that is the standard one in ubuntu ? [11:39] dejadup? [11:39] i Like the fact you can backup your stuff anywhere [11:39] ah :) Dejadup ! :) === carlos is now known as Guest88244 [12:17] trying to introduce code club to my local school :D === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:34] davmor2: yes. Tried to install 14.04. Looks like it got to the end except for this error: The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot. [12:35] The screen is very nice [12:35] xnox: ^ [12:37] bigcalm: do you have full install log? "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" if using desktop cd, or collect syslog if using d-i. [12:38] bigcalm: it shouldn't be a problem if grub-efi-amd64-signed fails to install, that only has detached secureboot signatures. [12:38] xnox: Once I OK'd that error, the whoops something crashed window appeared and would not clear [12:39] I haven't tried booting since installing [12:39] Will give it a go :) [12:39] Ah, no boot device found :) [12:40] bigcalm: i'd be interested in that crash dialog to be submitted before reboot... or ubuntu-bug ubiquity also before reboot.... =) [12:40] bigcalm: otherwise, can you fetch /var/log/installer/* from that system, if there is anything? [12:40] bigcalm: e.g. by booting back into live cd and mounting the target. [12:41] xnox: do you want me to start the install from fresh and then try to provide you with information. Or do you want me to boot to the 'try before you buy' desktop and try to provide you with information? [12:41] bigcalm: I'd say xnox is awesome but he does have to get his head out of the doorways, so I won't :) [12:43] bigcalm: from the "try before you buy" provide me with info =) [12:46] xnox: okay, walk me though it :) === jgjones_ is now known as JGJones [12:47] bigcalm: boot into live cd, click Try Ubuntu, "ctrl-alt-t" on the keyboard to start terminal, "sudo nautilus" [12:47] or Ctrl+Alt+F1, and just go from the terminal :) [12:47] bigcalm: under devices on the left you should see your current hard-drives, click on them to mount [12:48] bigcalm: than, find the most recent install and open up "var/log/installer" i want all of those files copied & pasted into e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com [12:48] (e.g. open firefox on the left) assuming you have internet connection. [12:53] Sorry, a silly client phoned [12:53] * bigcalm presses keys [12:59] var/log/installer does not exist [12:59] bigcalm: on the (not-quite-)installed system [12:59] bigcalm: =(((( reinstall [13:00] bigcalm: and if the install crashes, don't reboot, press "ctrl-alt-t" and do "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" [13:00] or if poop-ups appear click through to file a bug. [13:00] Will do [13:00] :) Deja-du :) Its like Crashplan for linux :) [13:00] Tried to do that last bit, it didn't work [13:01] crashplan is like crashplan for linux! [13:01] directhex: I think i should give the headless version of crashplan a try on linux , [13:02] because the "regular" one isn't any good :( [13:02] keeps storing updates in the wrong location [13:26] Waiting for LP to process the report and let me finish it [13:26] Does this usually take a while? [13:29] bigcalm: about a minute, I guess [13:30] Still waiting [13:30] Oh, it did finish :) [13:30] Just that the screen looks the same as it did before - laptop is on the floor while I got on with work [13:32] ♫ let the laptops hit the floor [13:32] ? [13:35] Anyone tell me if the Nokia Lumia mounts as a block device in Linux ? [13:36] twager: I'm assuming mtp same as android [13:36] Mass storage device === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:36] at least the 620 does [13:40] xnox: bug 1271934 [13:40] bug 1271934 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "14.04 failed to complete install with the error "The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/."" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271934 [13:40] bigcalm: scary! [13:41] xnox: it is? [13:41] Jan 23 13:19:07 ubuntu ubiquity: E: Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu 14.04 LTS _Trusty Tahr_ - Alpha amd64 (20140123)/pool/main/g/grub2/grub-efi-amd64-bin_2.00-22_amd64.deb Hash Sum mismatch [13:42] so either your 'dd' went wrong, or your copy of the .iso got corrupted somehow, or the copy on the server is corrupt. [13:42] Okay, I'll start by re-running dd and do another install [13:43] bigcalm: I'd restart with checking the ISO :) [13:43] bigcalm: your media is most-likely borked. [13:43] Yay [13:43] davmor2: Don't think so as my xperia mounts ok but my old sanfran does not.. [13:43] xnox: it could be that the iso he downloaded is borked [13:43] bigcalm: yeah or that. [13:44] bigcalm: i have the same iso stamp and grub-efi-amd64-signed .deb md5sum matches on disk and in Packages.gz file. [13:44] bigcalm: verify iso md5sum after download, and recreate your install media. [13:45] d2ef4f5333aec03ea1ca11abd2f1c0fc *trusty-desktop-amd64.iso [13:45] d2ef4f5333aec03ea1ca11abd2f1c0fc trusty-desktop-amd64.iso [13:45] md5sum is correct [13:46] afternoon all [13:46] hey smittix [13:46] :) [13:46] What was the option to write at once rather than have it cache? [13:46] dd [13:46] bigcalm: hm, can you do $ mount trusty-desktop-amd64.iso /mnt/ [13:47] wait, nah, [13:47] bigcalm: boot into "try ubuntu" and do $ md5sum /cdrom/pool/main/g/grub2-signed/grub-efi-amd64-signed_1.27+2.00-22_amd64.deb [13:48] bigcalm: and compare it with mounting iso locally, I get: d4bd5b4f9dcd9876cf50e04396c2f930 [13:49] xnox: I get that md5sum as well [13:50] bigcalm: what are you burning it from? [13:50] bigcalm: click on network manager on the top right and disable interentz [13:51] Ug, I've just shutdown the machine again [13:51] bigcalm: wait a second. [13:51] * bigcalm waits :) [13:51] bigcalm: it's not -signed which is borked in your log but grub-efi-amd64-bin [13:51] davmor2: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso [13:52] bigcalm: no I use k3b how did you burn the image? [13:52] f35d0af7f65c6ee2e58fa2cbe1577360 ./pool/main/g/grub2/grub-efi-amd64-bin_2.00-22_amd64.deb [13:52] davmor2: oh, dd [13:52] bigcalm: can you check md5sum of above (prefix with cdrom) from within "Try Ubuntu session" ? [13:52] xnox: sure, one moment [13:54] Yay, different number! [13:55] bigcalm: that might be the issue then. You want to use growisofs iirc if you are burning from the cli. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning bottom of the page unless you are using a usb stick [13:55] bigcalm: i rest my case, sir =) re-create media ;-) [13:56] bigcalm: there should a boot option - press esc at the beginning to execute / validate installation media. [13:56] bigcalm: it takes a while, but helps to catch errors like these. [13:56] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6803047/ [13:57] Okay [13:58] xnox: thanks for the help :) [14:01] Check finished: errors found in 17 files! [14:08] time to buy a new USB stick === roht is now known as wadzi [14:09] Apparently there's a site/toy that'll let you 'open' another webpage in it and play around with the HTML as a way of learning HTML; anyone know what it is? [14:10] Ctrl+Shift+J in Chrome ;) [14:10] you can edit the HTML and see the effects immediately from there [14:12] ooh, nifty [14:12] also CSS and JS, of course [14:14] if this is real then cool http://messagetoeagle.com/easterislandbodies.php#.UuEjunhFDQo [14:14] message toe agle? [14:15] why did nobody dig before? [14:16] foobarry: http://www.livescience.com/20580-easter-island-heads-bodies.html [14:16] foobarry: the images look shopped [14:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ahu_Tongariki.jpg [14:21] well, the news of the petroglyphs hasn't yet made surface elsewhere it seems [14:21] petroglyphs themselves though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island#Petroglyphs [14:22] Does the 5th one have a cake on its head? [14:23] bigcalm: that must mean he's the boss [14:24] :D [14:24] bigcalm: no, a 'pukao' [14:24] damn you and the person who set me on a Wikipedia binge [14:24] Myrtti: at least it's not tvtropes [14:24] HEhe, aww [14:25] Myrtti: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LandmarkOfLore [14:25] ahha! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai#Markings_.28post_stone_working.29 [14:27] höh [14:28] we nicked one for the brit museum? [14:28] MartijnVdS: neither that article or "weaponised landmark" mentions the jumping Moai from Super Mario on Gameboy [14:28] Re-created the install media. Now running the check before installing :) [14:28] time for a kip [14:28] No errors \o/ [14:28] Myrtti: Super Mario Land's World 3 has Moai not only in the background, but also as enemies. (They're called by other names in the manual, but come on.) Even the boss is a stone-throwing Moai. Not to mention the fact that World 3 is called Easton. [14:29] Myrtti: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EenieMeenieMinyMoai [14:29] right [14:33] wow, just started bucketing down [14:38] yeah here too :D [14:38] funny that [14:38] Blue skies here, for once no rain! [14:40] my servers are on rackspace now \o/ [14:41] and by jimminy they're fast [14:43] I have a working laptop. Yay :) [14:44] xnox & davmor2: thank you both :) [14:44] bigcalm: you're welcome dude enjoy all the goodness [14:46] * bigcalm waits for things to break :P [14:47] I see that there is a lack of a battery monitor icon :( [14:47] bigcalm: on the installed system ther eshould be [14:47] davmor2: I don't see it [14:49] * bigcalm shuts down to get on with his darn work [14:51] yo yo yo [14:51] bigcalm: go into settings power and see what the status is for the show battery status in the menu bar I have it when battery is present [14:51] In west philidelphia bored and raised, on the playground is where I spend most of my days [14:51] SuperMatt: fired already that was quick ;) [14:52] davmor2: as do I [14:52] SuperMatt: at least your old nick^wjob hadn't gone hey [14:52] I'm still here [14:52] I'm just porting my server across [14:53] SuperMatt: RaxMatt free hosting now on their cloud? [14:53] bigcalm: I'm just updating I'll see if mine disappears [14:53] Wow, I had a newer version of ubuntu than davmor2 for a change [14:53] MooDoo: yup [14:54] bigcalm: busy working on the older version for the apps :) [14:55] SuperMatt: nice [14:55] bigcalm: oh no I'm up-to-date so just you then dude :P [14:55] davmor2: ho hum [14:55] Also, who thought it would be a good idea to make the track pad buttons also part of the track pad? [14:56] forgot the archive is frozen for alpha2 [14:56] bigcalm: that is the issue on mine that I told you about really annoying right. You can get used to it though [14:57] davmor2: means that I can no longer use 2 hands to move windows around [14:58] Guess I'll continue to use an external mouse [14:58] bigcalm: yes you can [14:59] bigcalm: left click and move works fine here [14:59] bigcalm: or you can just click down and keep your finger pressed down and move it [15:00] bit it annoys! [15:01] MartijnVdS: indeed it's when you get everything lined up nicely and then go to click on the button and it moves the cursor nothing worse [15:01] The touch screen is odd in Ubuntu [15:02] that too [15:02] can't get scrolling to work with it [15:02] it's "just" a mouse pointer [15:03] Yep [15:17] bigcalm: pong [15:17] I think I may have a memory leak [15:17] PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [15:17] 1710 root 20 0 2671944 2.212g 210352 S 12.6 14.2 108:28.86 Xorg [15:20] popey: too late, xnox and davmor2 helped me get my laptop install fixed [15:21] popey: only 2GB? You have 16! ;) [15:21] your spycam arrived? [15:21] resources exapnd to what's avaiable... [15:21] its also constant 10% [15:21] which it never was on saucy [15:22] popey: what have was told you about the ear buds, when you feel resistance stop pushing [15:22] davmor2: you on trusty on intel? [15:22] (or anyone) [15:22] popey: I am [15:22] popey: it is optimus gfx [15:22] top.. press m, is xorg near top? [15:22] no, intel [15:22] but the nvidia bit is broken [15:23] popey: second [15:23] my latest ebay item arrived broken ☹ [15:23] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141142336606?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 [15:23] compiz top on my 1204 box grr [15:23] http://imgur.com/KiZEPZ6,nspyQCB [15:28] popey: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/426375609325858816/photo/1 [15:28] Well this isn't good [15:28] I can't shutdown my laptop [15:28] omg! [15:28] It constantly reboots [15:28] bigcalm: it's spying on you [15:28] laptop with numeric keypad ⍨ [15:28] popey: the keyboard is rather odd [15:29] Not used the laptop in anger yet [15:29] I've tried sudo shutdown -P now [15:30] Even that rebooted [15:30] To take the battery out, I will have to unscrew the back of the machine [15:30] Time to press and hold the power button [15:30] popey: htop makes it clearer still :) [15:31] popey: I a laptop with an numeric pad too, it's great for typing in credit card numbers :D [15:32] * davmor2 hugs htop it's so much easier to follow than top :) [15:32] oh jeez [15:32] every single damn time I say top [15:33] someone somewhere on the internet tells me to use htop [15:33] popey: have you tried htop? [15:33] "no". [15:33] Dave2: is the "h" silent (like in American "herb") [15:33] i even ran top just now, took a screenshot to put online and then thought "nah, someone will say use htop" [15:33] goits === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:35] popey: top is great for a quick assessment but I find it easier to follow things on htop. Which is all I said not that you should use it :P [15:36] do u have to be dumb to get on daytime quiz shows? [15:37] foobarry: "u"? are you trying to get on a daytime quiz show? ;) [15:37] i just don't see it [15:37] http://imgur.com/qJ36U9Z [15:37] "Is xorg using lots of RAM?" -> "Yes" [15:37] popey: do you have 3d-heavy programs running? [15:38] nope [15:38] htop can show threaded processes or not [15:38] foobarry: so can top [15:38] htop shows colours [15:38] it's like me saying "can you google for foo" [15:38] "No, I'd rather use BING" [15:38] I DO NOT CARE [15:38] the question was "is xorg using ram" not "what's your favorite cpu monitor" [15:38] meh [15:39] ☻ [15:39] popey got trolled [15:40] 5GB disk cache tho ☻ [15:40] popey: and an SSD? === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:42] two [15:42] / or one, /home on the other [15:42] http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-news/deals/62910-ibm-sells-server-division-to-lenovo [15:42] popey: still, all SSD [15:43] ya [15:43] no rust [15:45] http://www.itnews.com.au/News/370344,hacker-gets-facebooks-keys-to-the-kingdom.aspx [15:52] I might be a bit late to the party, but I was wondering my dear friend popey if you had heard of this excellent CPU monitor. It comes with colour too. As an additional bonus, it also have an extra letter over top. This letter is h. Most probably stand for Hyper and we all know Hyper make anything better. So popey, allow me to introduce you to htop! [15:53] "lol" [16:01] No love for atop though? :P [16:08] Or iotop [16:10] i've got 50 mins of enfroced bed rest, what programme/youtube/etc can i watch? [16:10] foobarry: hat films [16:10] foobarry: they are nutty :) [16:11] iplayer is still flash based? ugh [16:12] get_iplayer FTW! [16:12] And the web interface even more so :D [16:12] chrome frw [16:18] foobarry: here's one for you.. only 11 mins though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlZ8iPaufTg [16:18] :D [16:18] bigcalm: get-iplayer is nice, because you can set it to use a proxy by default ;-) [16:19] Myrtti: feel free to send me your tv license fee and I'll passs it on, promise. [16:20] popey: I'll have to ask the SO for that [16:23] popey: seemed rather incorrect view in the first 10 seconds [16:24] yeah, he dives right in [16:24] was only joshing [16:24] showed blatant ignorance [16:24] he lost me already [16:24] heh [16:44] oh tihs goes on the "if you do this" list. uses a setting "maxLenght". if you subconsciously use the correct spelling, no workey. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:02] Anybody know why my laptop reboots instead of powering off? [17:02] bigcalm: it hates you? [17:02] davmor2: that's a given [17:03] lol [17:03] bigcalm: I can't think of an obvious reason why it wouldn't shut down [17:04] davmor2: what's the laptop? and recent change or always been like that? [17:04] davmor2: and same behaviour from VT as from gui? [17:05] It shuts down, and then powers back up again. I wonder if it's something in the BIOS (or whatever it's called these days) [17:05] drussell: not my laptop bigcalms [17:05] drussell: http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd?oc=cn75305&model_id=inspiron-15-7537 [17:05] davmor2: sorry, apologies, not paying enough attention! [17:05] drussell: running 14.04 [17:05] bigcalm: always done it, or new behaviour? [17:06] drussell: the machine was delivered this morning :) [17:06] bigcalm: hehehe awesome, congrats :o) [17:06] bigcalm: sometimes they need different acpi quirks loaded to get around that kind of issue [17:07] drussell: I thought it might be an apci issue, just don't know what the best settings will be :) [17:08] bigcalm: if you switch to a VT after having logged out, what does "sudo shutdown -h -q now" do? [17:10] I haven't tried with -q [17:10] But -P now reboots [17:11] bigcalm: interesting [17:11] Is -h -q the same as -P now? [17:11] bigcalm: the -q shouldn't make any difference, just quiet [17:11]