[01:23] <bluesabre> does opening links from xfce4-terminal no longer work?
[01:28] <bluesabre> sudo apt-get install conky
[01:28] <bluesabre> woops
[01:28] <bluesabre> :)
[07:08] <elfy> bored with looking at a2 so I marked it ready :p
[07:12] <pleia2> yay
[07:13] <elfy> 2 extra names on the list today it seems :)
[07:16] <Noskcaj> Can someone explain what i have to do to fix http://paste.ubuntu.com/6800659/ ?
[07:16] <Noskcaj>  The new release of light-locker doesn't have autogen.sh , then this error comes up when you remove autogen.sh from debian/rules
[07:22] <elfy> pleia2 knome - I'll make a start on the a2 release announcement - then one of you two can make it friendlier
[07:34] <ali1234> brainwash: Noskcaj i was thinking yesterday about making an autobuilder that just builds git snapshots of all xfce into debs
[07:34] <ali1234> i have no idea how to do this however
[07:52] <Noskcaj> ali1234, That is a good idea and really would be fairly simple after the initial creation
[07:52] <Noskcaj> If you can get the scripting set up, i can do the packaging and PPA
[07:53] <ali1234> well the thing is i don't know how to do packaging
[07:53] <ali1234> so i don't know what the script needs to do
[07:53] <ali1234> i want it to automate the packaging where possible
[07:54] <Noskcaj> ali1234, It needs to make the tarball, copy the debian/ folder in and update the changelog.
[07:54] <Noskcaj> Then run dput
[07:54] <Noskcaj> Any failures i will see
[07:54] <ali1234> i was going to have it just build locally
[07:54] <Noskcaj> Please make this a thing, i think the xfce4.12 ppa is just from lionel uploading
[07:54] <ali1234> launchpad has a delay of about 8 hours for me
[07:55] <ali1234> if local build succeeds then it can be uploaded
[07:55] <Noskcaj> locally would work, just s/dput/pbuilder
[07:55] <Noskcaj> but that would need good hardware for no real benefit after the initial setup
[07:56] <ali1234> not a problem, i've got a 8 core dedi just sitting around
[07:56] <Noskcaj> ok then. Just let me make a paste of what you'de have to do
[08:00] <Noskcaj> ali1234, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6801668/ is all you should have to do
[08:00] <ali1234> why rm .git*?
[08:01] <Noskcaj> Not really needed, just packaging good practices
[08:02] <ali1234> git archive?
[08:02] <Noskcaj> it's normally removed
[08:02] <Unit193> pdebuild
[08:03] <Noskcaj> you'd also need to add a bit to run quilt refresh
[09:34] <ali1234> so where should i get the debian/ files from?
[09:35] <elfy> knome pleia2 the a2 release announcement is ready for you to fiddle with
[09:35] <elfy> morning ali1234 
[09:35] <ali1234> morning
[09:36] <ochosi> maybe from the existing debian packages, Unit193 ?
[09:37] <ali1234> i can get them from eg svn://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-xfce/desktop/trunk/xfce4-panel/
[09:37] <ali1234> but this is supposed to be automatic
[09:37] <ali1234> and chances are that the files will need to be modified at some point
[09:37] <ochosi> yeah, but do you really need them refreshed all the time?
[09:38] <ali1234> there is also git-buildpackage
[09:38] <ali1234> but that seems to be backwards to what we need to do
[09:38] <Unit193> Simple, drop the patches and have a changelog.in setup, getting the version from the actual package.
[09:38] <ali1234> i don't understand
[09:39] <Unit193> 4.11.0+git20131215.fa67b6a-1 (for a commit after 4.11.0 release)
[09:41] <elfy> bluesabre: if we're going to use menulibre instead of alacarte - shouldn't people be able to right click on menu in panel and then properties to edit menu 
[09:42] <elfy> just a thought
[09:42] <bluesabre> elfy, yes, we'll need to provide a patch to make that happen
[09:42] <elfy> ok - just looking at it now - was the first thing I found :p
[09:42] <bluesabre> I installed whiskermenu from the repos last night, and it seemed to already be patched for menulibre
[09:43] <bluesabre> but yeah, I'll try to get some patches in for that soon
[09:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: it can be configured to use menulibre
[09:43] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01232014-104319am.php
[09:44] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, it seemed to be preconfigured to use menulibre when I installed it last night
[09:44]  * bluesabre thought that was cool
[09:44] <bluesabre> but the xfce-applications-menu also needs patching
[09:45] <ochosi> yup, i guess so
[09:45] <bluesabre> actually, whiskermenu has some pretty cool searching abilities now
[09:45] <ochosi> making it an xfconf setting would make more sense than hardcoding
[09:45] <ochosi> yeah, whiskermenu rocks..
[09:46] <ochosi> we could add a file-search via catfish
[09:46] <ochosi> i guess we should really follow up on getting that in now...
[09:46] <ochosi> (that, and a gazillion other things that are to do for 14.04)
[09:47] <elfy> lol
[09:51] <bluesabre> :)
[10:02] <bluesabre> ochosi: [ochosi] Patch indicator-power to open xfce4-powermanager-settings in the Xubuntu/Xfce session: DONE
[10:02] <bluesabre> when did you do that? :)
[10:04] <elfy> damn sneaky wot
[10:05] <Unit193> ochosi: Take it it can't do an test `which xfce4-power-manager-settings` && xfce4-power-manager-settings  type thing?
[10:07] <bluesabre> lightdm-gtk-greeter-1.7.1 source packages uploaded to the PPA, should see those packages soonish
[10:21] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:24] <elfy> workspace settings seems to be broken :(
[10:26] <elfy> can someone confirm that workspace settings - changing the number of workspaces can't be changed numerically but arrow does work
[10:27] <slickymaster> hey elfy. Morning
[10:27] <slickymaster> and yes, I can confirm it
[10:28] <elfy> bah 
[10:28] <slickymaster> will you report it, or do you want me to?
[10:28] <elfy> ochosi: do you know if not being able to change workspaces with a number key is a known change or a bug?
[10:28] <elfy> slickymaster: I'll do it if it is
[10:28] <slickymaster> okie dokie
[10:30] <elfy> just running through settings testcases
[10:33] <elfy> well I'd report the bug if I knew the package, thought it was xfwm4-workspace-settings
[10:36] <elfy> s'pose it's just xfwm4
[10:41] <elfy> done that now - can't find one at xfce for it 
[10:41] <elfy> bug 1271883
[10:41] <elfy> slickymaster: if you want to confirm 
[10:47] <slickymaster> elfy: done
[10:47] <elfy> ta
[10:47] <slickymaster> -> bbl
[10:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: i created (and linked) to my branch a while ago :) larsu merged it in yesterday
[10:52] <ochosi> elfy: can you be a bit more specific on how i can reproduce the issue?
[10:52] <elfy> trusty - run workspace settings - change the number of workspaces with keypad
[10:52] <ochosi> without a modifier?
[10:53] <ochosi> or with ctrl+alt
[10:53] <ochosi> one possible issue: kb-shortcut-conflicts are currently not really checked
[10:53] <elfy> ochosi: no idea about having to do any of that -previously if you wanted to change the number of workspaces you just did it 
[10:53] <ochosi> cause the normal kb-shortcuts are in a separate dialog
[10:53] <ochosi> oh
[10:54] <ochosi> i misunderstood you
[10:54] <elfy> no - I'm talking about setting the number of workspaces :)
[10:54] <elfy> yep - see that - I just type slowly 
[10:54] <ochosi> yeah, i see now what you mean
[10:55] <ochosi> don't think that's a huge bummer, luckily
[10:55] <ochosi> gotta check other spinbuttons
[10:55] <elfy> agreed - just not right is all
[10:55] <ochosi> hm, seems like it's restricted to that one
[10:55] <ochosi> and in fact it makes some sense
[10:56] <ochosi> if you type in "1000" by accident (instead of "10") that might take a while...
[10:56] <elfy> lol
[10:56] <ochosi> so it might be a feature, seems like a conscious restriction of input-methods
[10:56] <elfy> well if it's conscious - then it's recent consciousness then 
[10:56] <ochosi> cause there is no confirmation dialog, workspaces get created on the fly
[10:56] <ochosi> yeah, possible
[10:57] <ochosi> i've been using 4.11 for so long...
[10:57] <elfy> lol
[10:57] <elfy> issue I've got at the moment is it is either a bug with that - or the testcase needs to change to suit the new way :)
[10:58] <elfy> anyway - I'll let you get on :)
[10:58] <ochosi> i'd change the testcase, frankly :)
[10:58] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[10:58] <elfy> I can change all of our testcases to match bugs if you want :D
[11:03] <ali1234> 1. figure out how to reproduce bug on ubuntu-desktop
[11:03] <ali1234> 2. submit testcase for ubuntu-desktop that trigger the bug
[11:04] <ali1234> 3. report bug on iso tracker against ubuntu-desktop install iso, every day
[11:05] <ochosi> elfy: btw, feel free to skim these logs for the change ;) http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/log/settings-dialogs/xfwm4-workspace-dialog.glade
[11:05] <ochosi> or http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/log/settings-dialogs/workspace-settings.c
[11:08] <elfy> you just want to keep me quiet ... 
[11:08] <elfy> it won't work :p
[11:08] <elfy> ali1234: wrong channel or just venting :)
[11:37] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/xfce-autopackager/blob/master/bin/package
[11:48] <bluesabre> release announcement for lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.7.1 http://smdavis.us/2014/01/23/lightdm-gtk-greeter-1-7-1-released/
[11:53] <elfy> bluesabre: nice :)
[11:53] <elfy> ochosi: not sure if this something to do with the ppa's I've got for shimmer - but changing mouse theme doesn't work here
[11:54] <bluesabre> next up is working on mugshot
[11:54] <elfy> :)
[12:18] <brainwash> ochosi: can gtkbutton be used with a custom icon? still looking for a nice way to add the "lock" icon somewhere to the greeter screen
[12:20] <brainwash> ochosi: and any thoughts regarding bug 1271717 ?
[12:21] <brainwash> the background is white in saucy and trusty with greybird git, so it's intended or?
[14:15] <brainwash> elfy: can you create an upstream report for the workspace counter please?
[14:17] <brainwash> the input field is set to not be editable and removing this limitation does not seem to cause any drawbacks
[15:24] <slickymaster> bluesabre: installed every each one of http://dpaste.com/1564260/ but still can't get the digital camera listed in mugshot upon clicking the image button
[15:25] <slickymaster> brainwash: that's in a Saucy box if it matters at all
[15:25] <slickymaster> ups, sorry brainwash that was meant for bluesabre, not for you :P
[15:25] <brainwash> :(
[15:28] <elfy> brainwash: doing that - but can't specify version of it to anything other than unspecified or 4.10.1- which it isn't because I've got the ppa one here
[15:28] <elfy> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10644
[15:29] <brainwash> elfy: unspecified
[15:29] <brainwash> the input field has been not editable since 4.8
[15:29] <elfy> I guessed that :)
[15:29] <brainwash> or even before
[15:30] <elfy> really- was able to do it when we wrote the testcases
[15:30] <brainwash> basically no one complained about it yet
[15:30] <elfy> anyway - I added the xfce bug to the LP one
[15:30] <brainwash> great :)
[15:30]  * elfy does it for the karma :p
[15:31] <elfy> #wasted - jackson's asleep :D
[15:31] <brainwash> oh, but you could have added the version in your bug description
[15:32] <brainwash> output of xfwm4 --version I think
[15:32] <elfy> oh well - bet I can't edit it ... 
[15:32] <brainwash> add a comment :P
[15:34] <slickymaster> elfy: is it me or your https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfcesettings/+merge/202839 is a way of bending the testcase to fit a bug? :P
[15:34] <slickymaster> elfy: is it me or your https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfcesettings/+merge/202839 is a way of bending the testcase to fit a bug? :P
[15:34] <elfy> :p
[15:34] <slickymaster> I'll take that as a yes ;)
[15:34] <elfy> if it's not working - all we'll get is pointless fails now that it's reported on lp and upstream
[15:35] <slickymaster> elfy: yeah, and I agree with your reasoning
[15:36] <slickymaster> on a completely different note elfy, have you tried Mughshot already?
[15:36] <elfy> yea - was looking at your problem with it :(
[15:36] <elfy> I had to install the package blue mentioned - then it worked ok for me
[15:39] <slickymaster> it's weird, I've installed all and still no dice but what's also odd is the fact that my digital camera isn't mounting in /media/<home>/ but in /run/user/1000/gvfs/
[15:39] <slickymaster> don't know if it's related at all
[15:39] <slickymaster> bluesabre: ^^^ do you think it could be related?
[15:39] <elfy> gstreamer1.0-tools is definitely the only thing I installed 
[15:40] <slickymaster> I'm going to try it on Alpha2 to see if I manage anything
[17:26] <slickymaster> elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfcesettings/+merge/202839 is approved and ready to be merged
[17:28] <slickymaster> elfy: already updated Trello on this
[17:31] <slickymaster> bluesabre: tried it with a different digital camera, now with a Sony DSC-P1 (before I was using a Canon Powershot A450) but still the same in mugshot it doesn't appear listed upon clicking the window button
[17:33] <slickymaster> bluesabre: also, I've purged Mugshot and gstreamer1.0-* and reinstalled everything back, but with the same result
[17:34] <slickymaster> gotta run now. bbl for the meeting 
[18:09] <lderan> I wont be here for the meeting have to go for as few hours, but I have several autopilot tests to make merge requests for and I have found a few apps which don't work well with it so far (the mines game & gimp). back in a bit :)
[18:14] <elfy> thanks lderan
[18:26] <knome> elfy, i've looked at the release announcement, and i made some listings actual lists, but otherwise looks good to.
[18:27] <knome> elfy, i shall add you to the team who has the powers to publish posts for xubuntu.org next
[18:27] <elfy> ok 
[18:27] <elfy> I thought you might fiddle with lists - but I'd got to a 'that'll have to do' point :p
[18:28] <knome> elfy, done, you're now a member of ~xubuntu-website
[18:28] <elfy> I saw :)
[18:28] <knome> elfy, once you relogin to xubuntu.org, you should have more powers
[18:28] <elfy> ok 
[18:28] <knome> yep, lists are something we could've fixed after publishing etc.
[18:28] <elfy> :)
[18:29] <knome> also, as i haven't been around, don't know if it's ok to publish; asked for an ACK from riddell in -release as you probably noticed
[18:30] <knome> be back for the meeting at latest ->
[18:30]  * elfy hopes to be - late into the kitchen today ... 
[18:32] <elfy> knome: I'd say yes - alright to publish as we're the only ones who haven't 
[18:48] <knome> !team | meeting time in ~10 minutes! 
[18:48] <ali1234> again? already?
[18:49] <knome> ali1234, thursday, 19utc
[18:49] <knome> ali1234, once per week
[18:49] <ali1234> it seems like only a couple of days since the last one
[18:49] <knome> lots of stuff on the agenda though
[18:52] <knome> i need to get the last meeting minutes up :P
[18:52] <ali1234> so this week i implemented present in xfwm
[18:52] <ali1234> you can't even test this on ubuntu yet though. it needs bleeding edge everything
[18:53] <knome> i'm sure you can, whether it's sensible is another thing ;)
[18:53] <ali1234> well you'll have to install the full X11 stack from source
[18:54] <knome> sure, but that's doable.. ;)=
[18:54] <GridCube> I: i have to go now
[18:55] <GridCube> my comment for the meeting is that we need to make the desktop of the week project work
[18:55] <knome> GridCube, that should be directed to me
[18:55] <GridCube> ok
[18:55] <GridCube> :)
[18:55] <knome> GridCube, i'm basically waiting to get the new website stuff released, with that it should be SOOOOO much easier and smoother
[18:56] <GridCube> alright, if you write me some comments i can uptade the project page with some information
[18:57] <knome> GridCube, comments are basically the same as ever: make sure there are screenshots with proper licenses queued, and you have done your part
[18:57] <GridCube> :) im making sure of thatn
[18:58] <knome> GridCube, i will take care of setting up the system, and looking how we will handle the updates; and i will get back on the details for that once i know how we're going to set it up
[18:58] <GridCube> also my question is how the community wallpaper pack is going? :D
[18:58] <GridCube> alright
[18:58] <GridCube> :)
[18:58] <GridCube> i have to go now, talk again in a few hours if the gods want to
[18:58] <knome> for the record,
[18:59] <knome> we're selecting the wallpapers to be included in the community wallpapers package on jan 29
[19:00] <knome> ok, let's go
[19:00] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[19:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan 23 19:00:26 2014 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:00] <knome> ok, who's here for the meeting?
[19:00] <elfy> o/ more or less
[19:00] <jjfrv8> o/
[19:01] <knome> (i'll go on with the bureaucracy while people get in)
[19:01] <knome> #topic Items carried on
[19:01] <slickymaster> o/ just arrived
[19:01] <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 
[19:02] <knome> #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status 
[19:02] <meetingology> ACTION: ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status
[19:02] <knome> ali1234, ?
[19:02] <ali1234> still on-going, but it's active (talked about it a bit yesterday)
[19:02] <ali1234> the fixes will come as part of much larger changes
[19:02] <knome> okay, any news? should we keep it carried on?
[19:03] <ali1234> yes
[19:03] <knome> okay, will do
[19:03] <knome> #action knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position 
[19:03] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position
[19:03] <knome> TBD
[19:03] <knome> #action knome to look into the graphics problem with bug 1207493 
[19:03] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to look into the graphics problem with bug 1207493
[19:03] <knome> TBD
[19:03] <knome> #action     lderan to update list of apps we can work autopilot with 
[19:03] <meetingology> ACTION: lderan to update list of apps we can work autopilot with
[19:03] <knome> will carry on
[19:04] <knome> #action ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back 
[19:04] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back
[19:04] <knome> carrying on
[19:04] <knome> ok, rest are clear
[19:04] <knome> or not appropriate any more
[19:04] <knome> #subtopic Enabling more people to push to Xubuntu branches (separate branches team, or would -team do?) 
[19:04] <knome> this is stupid, but,
[19:04] <knome> carrying on
[19:04] <knome> #subtopic Social media outlet interaction (see details on the marketing blueprint whiteboard) 
[19:04] <knome> pleia2, around?
[19:05] <knome> ...carrying on
[19:06] <knome> #subtopic Status of Bluetooth in Xubuntu; what kind of testing we want to run, which software we want to use? 
[19:06] <knome> Noskcaj, probably not going to get a good discussion about this, but didn't you work on some bluetooth stuff lately?
[19:06] <knome> also, what are we using now and would it be a good pick for 14.04, or should we change?
[19:07] <ali1234> it pretty much boils down to blueman (current) vs gnome-bluetooth and maybe indicator-bluetooth
[19:07] <Noskcaj> knome, blueman is now active upstream, we have a new git snapshot
[19:07] <knome> ali1234, do you have any preference?
[19:07] <ali1234> no, they both work fine for me
[19:07] <knome> i personally don't know enough to make any kind of decision
[19:07] <slickymaster> never had any problems with blueman
[19:07] <knome> i guess i could plug in my bluetooth dongle some day and look at a few things
[19:08] <knome> can't remember what i've used before, but from my POV, the other option i've used was really complex and confusing, and the other one was really simple
[19:08] <knome> so maybe it's a good starting point to evaluate if they differ on the complexity level
[19:08] <knome> dunno, let's postpone this
[19:08] <knome> #nick team
[19:09] <elfy> would it be an idea to get in touch with those in team to find when they are about to get these issues dealt with?
[19:09] <knome> #action team members that are able to test/use bluetooth stuff, consider which software they would like to use, if it matters
[19:09] <meetingology> ACTION: team members that are able to test/use bluetooth stuff, consider which software they would like to use, if it matters
[19:09] <knome> that ^
[19:10] <knome> #action knome to send an email to the mailing list re: bluetooth
[19:10] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to send an email to the mailing list re: bluetooth
[19:10] <brainwash> ali1234: doesn't gnome-bluetooth require gnome-control-center?
[19:10] <knome> and that ^
[19:10] <ali1234> possibly
[19:10] <elfy> knome: yea - but it's more than 1 thing we keep carrying forward 
[19:10] <ali1234> i haven't really used it recently
[19:10] <knome> doesn't time-admin pull that in anyway, or did we drop time-admin for that reason?
[19:11] <brainwash> time-admin is gnome-system-tools
[19:11] <knome> elfy, none of the rest are something we *need* to get rolling now :)
[19:11] <brainwash> like users-admin
[19:11] <knome> right
[19:11] <ali1234> ubuntu uses gnome-bluetooth, so they'll have to fix that anyway
[19:11] <Noskcaj> i droppedtime admin a few days ago
[19:11] <knome> Noskcaj, is there a replacement?
[19:11] <Noskcaj> it's all part of system-tools now
[19:12] <brainwash> but it's still not maintained or?
[19:12] <brainwash> only downstream
[19:12] <knome> Noskcaj, if there isn't a replacement, please raise that issue up on the mailing list, so other developers can chime in and discuss what the right strategy to go forward is
[19:12] <knome> #action Noskcaj to send an email to the mailing list re: time-admin and alternatives
[19:12] <meetingology> ACTION: Noskcaj to send an email to the mailing list re: time-admin and alternatives
[19:13] <Noskcaj> knome, all the same stuff is there, we just don't split the package anymore
[19:13] <slickymaster> brainwash, apparently is Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org> who's maintaining it 
[19:13] <brainwash> ^ same for users-admin
[19:13] <knome> right...
[19:13] <knome> right
[19:13] <knome> #undo
[19:13] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x162e450>
[19:13]  * Noskcaj check's we're talking about the same thing
[19:14] <elfy> so we've lost the GUI for both of these now?
[19:14] <knome> Noskcaj, just to make sure i understood correctly: you dropped time-admin, which is part of gnome-system-tools now, but we're still shipping gnome-system-tools?
[19:14] <Noskcaj> gnome-time-admin, gnome-network-admin are no longer split, still exist as part of system-tools though
[19:14] <Noskcaj> knome, yeah
[19:14] <knome> ok, thanks
[19:14] <brainwash> lost is the wrong term, we are just looking for alternatives
[19:14] <knome> elfy, we didn't.
[19:15] <Noskcaj> the split was an ubuntu delta from way back that we didn't need anymore
[19:15] <elfy> knome: well I'm confused 
[19:15] <knome> elfy, the packages used to be separated
[19:15] <knome> elfy, now they are merged in one big package, which we are shippinh
[19:15] <knome> s/h/g/
[19:15] <knome> elfy, so basically, we just dropped a mention to a package that doesn't exist any more
[19:16] <elfy> yep - ok, I'm talking about what people use out there in the world - because user tool is missing from settings now
[19:16] <knome> Noskcaj, ^
[19:16] <elfy> and how do people deal with time
[19:16] <Noskcaj> elfy, It should all still be there
[19:16] <elfy> well it's not ;)
[19:16] <Noskcaj> same files shipped, just not split into three things
[19:17] <knome> #action elfy to poke Noskcaj if time-admin and users-admin do not exist in the next daily
[19:17] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to poke Noskcaj if time-admin and users-admin do not exist in the next daily
[19:17] <Noskcaj> Then woops, blame pitti
[19:17] <Unit193> elfy: dpkg -L gnome-system-tools | pastebinit
[19:17] <knome> #action Noskcaj to fix up the mess if elfy pokes him
[19:17] <meetingology> ACTION: Noskcaj to fix up the mess if elfy pokes him
[19:17] <knome> are we happy?
[19:17] <Noskcaj> sure
[19:17] <elfy> yep
[19:17] <knome> elfy? :)
[19:17] <knome> good
[19:17] <knome> #subtopic Discuss documentation translations 
[19:17] <knome> postponing.
[19:17] <knome> #topic Team updates
[19:17] <elfy> Unit193: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6804506/
[19:18] <knome> ok, please use #info and #action again
[19:18] <knome> floor is yours
[19:18] <elfy> #info Alpha2 report - 64bit - 19 tests - only real fail was autoresize, but that fix is released. 32bit - 26 tests - some more issues here, main issue was the autoresize one though.
[19:18] <elfy> #info A2 contnued - 12 people tested this time AND reported, no idea how many tests were undertaken elsewhere
[19:18] <elfy> #info package testing - last call was for xubuntu applications - we've had 16 reported results against those
[19:18] <elfy> #info next package testing call will be for the settings manager in 2 weeks
[19:18] <elfy> #info several a/pilot tests ready for merge requests
[19:18] <elfy> #info finding some that don't work well - gimp (and the mines game)
[19:18] <elfy> #info light-locker and mugshot are now available for us to deal with testing, -QA are looking at that now 
[19:18] <knome> #info knome rescued some ISO's for old-releases archive
[19:18] <elfy> #action ~QA to write tests for new packages, sync to tracker and call for testing
[19:18] <meetingology> ACTION: ~QA to write tests for new packages, sync to tracker and call for testing
[19:18] <Noskcaj> #info many more 4.11 parts now available
[19:19] <Noskcaj> #info menulibre in official repos
[19:19] <knome> great news
[19:19] <Noskcaj> #info gthumb 3.3 is out, needs upload
[19:19] <knome> thanks Noskcaj and bluesabre 
[19:19] <knome> reminds me we should have the every-cycle discussion whether to drop gtuhmb or not
[19:20] <slickymaster> #info there's an initial draft of the Mugshot documentation at http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs
[19:20]  * knome hides
[19:20] <elfy> drop it
[19:20] <elfy> no - keep it
[19:20] <knome> elfy, agree, but it does handle digital cameras and ristretto doesn't :P
[19:20] <elfy> :)
[19:20] <Noskcaj> speeking of which, i need to add the gphoto dep
[19:20] <jjfrv8> noskcaj, you wanted Precise testers for weather-plugin?
[19:21] <elfy> and power manager - it's in hand
[19:21] <Noskcaj> jjfrv8, yeah. I'm not sure if infinity moved it across yet, but i will need some
[19:21] <Noskcaj> power-manager is saucy though
[19:21] <knome> the precise point release is in what, one week?
[19:21] <knome> that's close, so please get moving if you still need to prepare something for it
[19:21]  * knome looks at himself with the docs SRU package
[19:22] <jjfrv8> Noskcaj, I'll talk to you after the meeting about it
[19:22] <knome> ...so, other updates?
[19:22] <elfy> not from me - slickymaster anything I've forgotten?
[19:22] <jjfrv8> not from me this week
[19:23] <slickymaster> knome, about documentation, don't you think that we can reuse http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs
[19:23] <knome> been a slower week for me too
[19:23] <slickymaster> nopes, elfy. I think you've covered it all
[19:23] <knome> slickymaster, if that's updated for the latest version, yes, definitely
[19:23] <knome> #topic Announcements
[19:24] <knome> #info Alpha 2 is released!
[19:24] <slickymaster> yes, it is. jjfrv8 and I just finish it a few weeks ago
[19:24] <knome> #info 12.04.4, the last point release for Precise, will be released on Feb 6
[19:25] <knome> #topic New and emerging items
[19:25] <knome> i have one minor new item:
[19:25] <knome> #subtopic Meeting structure
[19:25] <knome> if there's no objections, i will change the meeting structure a bit;
[19:25] <knome> first, go through the open action items, then updates, then announcements, and only after that any carried on or other agenda items
[19:26] <knome> i expect objections to be raised in the next 10 seconds
[19:26] <elfy> I
[19:26] <elfy> have none
[19:26] <knome> ok, bang
[19:26] <knome> will change the meeting page accordingly when setting up the minutes ;)
[19:27] <knome> #action knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting) to the meetings page
[19:27] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting) to the meetings page
[19:27] <knome> hmm
[19:27] <knome> #undo
[19:27] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x15affd0>
[19:27] <knome> #action knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting)
[19:27] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting)
[19:27] <knome> better
[19:27] <knome> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
[19:28] <knome> #info Next meeting Thu 30 Jan 19UTC
[19:28] <knome> Unit193, you can update the calendar now ;)
[19:28] <knome> humph, one more thing
[19:28] <Unit193> Wilco.
[19:28] <slickymaster> the band?
[19:28] <knome> #action knome and Unit193 to prepare a mail for xubuntu-core reviewing and send it to the mailing list
[19:28] <meetingology> ACTION: knome and Unit193 to prepare a mail for xubuntu-core reviewing and send it to the mailing list
[19:28] <knome> #endmeeting
[19:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan 23 19:28:56 2014 UTC.  
[19:28] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-01-23-19.00.moin.txt
[19:28] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-01-23-19.00.html
[19:28] <knome> thanks
[19:29] <slickymaster> thanks knome 
[19:29] <elfy> cheers knome 
[19:29] <Unit193> http://goo.gl/M9Nz7E
[19:29] <knome> am i hallucinating, or is the wiki faster today?
[19:29] <elfy> well it won't be now :(
[19:30] <Unit193> Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/3.0.0-3ubuntu1 it's clearly messed up.
[19:31] <knome> lderan, one thing once you're back: can we get rid of the "action items" output in the wiki output (who needs that since there's action items per person anyway?)
[19:31] <Noskcaj> Unit193, What part is messed up?
[19:31] <Unit193> What part isn't?
[19:31] <Unit193> dpkg-deb -c any file.
[19:32] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[19:34] <knome> bbl as well; the meeting minutes are up
[19:34] <knome> hmm
[19:34] <knome> let me move the page again to 2014 instead of 2013
[19:34] <Unit193> 2014-01-20:20:36:47 < Unit193> Also, trying to make a pixmap package are we? .install file.
[19:35] <ali1234> Noskcaj: this morning i hacked a little on an autopackager: https://github.com/ali1234/xfce-autopackager - it uses mr to manage repos, git archive to make an .orig.tar.gz... and currently that's all
[19:35] <knome> ->
[19:36] <jjfrv8> Noskcaj, I use Precise so I'd be willing to test the plugin if you promise not to break me :)
[19:36] <Noskcaj> jjfrv8, All it does is un-break the plugin
[19:37] <jjfrv8> ok, so you'll let me know if/when it's available?
[19:37] <Noskcaj> ali1234, nice. Let me know when you need so debian/ folders to copy to stuff
[19:37] <Noskcaj> jjfrv8, sometime today if i'm lucky
[19:37] <ali1234> what i ideally need is a repo (any type) that has the debian folders
[19:37] <ali1234> i will then automatically update that too
[19:38] <ali1234> and if you need to hack the debian, just fork that repo
[19:38] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:39] <ali1234> can be one repo per package too, so we can get it right from the package repo, if such a thing exists
[19:39] <ali1234> in fact that's easier
[19:39] <ali1234> i notice when i apt-get source xfce4-panel, it tells me about some debian svn repo where "packaging is managed"
[19:40] <Noskcaj> ali1234, That's the debian packaging repo. I'm guessing we just want to copy the packaging from launchpad
[19:41] <Noskcaj> because from here, you really just need to add a list of packages to get and then add a few more commands
[19:42] <ali1234> mr only knows how to clone and update repos
[19:43] <ali1234> could probably teach it how to fetch source packages though
[19:44] <ali1234> also, what about git-buildpackage?
[19:45] <Noskcaj> git-buildpackage is unneeded since from here you just make a tarball of the current git repo
[19:46] <Noskcaj> The extract that tarball elsewhere, copy the debian/ folder in, debuild, and upload
[19:47] <ali1234> yeah, that's the current approach
[19:48] <Noskcaj> My only question then, will it run daily, weekly, or with each new commit?
[19:48] <ali1234> it will run as often as you want it to. if there's no new commits it will do nothing
[19:48] <ali1234> (per package)
[19:48] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:56] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Does gnome-system-tools have a valid make install target?  You likely need to just override dh_auto_install with dh_auto_install --destdir=debian/gnome-system-tools/
[19:57] <Noskcaj> Unit193, It should do. Isn't it usually debian/tmp/ the copy across with dh-install?
[19:58] <Noskcaj> feel free to fix it yourself
[19:58] <Unit193> auto_install uses the makefile to place the files, but doesn't work when there's more than one defined package (doesn't know which one you'd like it in), so you can just easily tell it.
[20:26] <Noskcaj> light-locker is now in debian, i'll be able to merge 1.1 from there sometime tomorrow
[20:26] <elfy> Noskcaj: when will the user and time issues get fixed?
[20:27] <Noskcaj> elfy, When i understand what the issue and how to fix is, or when Unit193 fixes them
[20:27] <elfy> mmk
[20:28] <Unit193> Could just use dh_install.
[20:29] <Unit193> Eww, cdbs.
[20:32] <Noskcaj> yep
[20:32] <Noskcaj> that's why i have no idea how to do anything
[20:32] <Noskcaj> although what we have now should be the same as debian
[20:33] <Unit193> No, there are transitional packages.
[20:34] <Noskcaj> with that exception and all the ubuntu patch
[21:32] <micahg> sorry, I missed the highilght
[21:32] <Unit193> micahg: Hi.
[21:32] <Unit193> ghlight.
[21:32] <Noskcaj> hey micahg
[21:32] <Noskcaj> Any chance you can look at gmusicbrowser in debian? It should be upload ready.
[21:33] <Noskcaj> only panel remain for 4.11, and maybe an official garcon release
[21:34] <Noskcaj> oh, and the xfce4-weather-plugin upload to precise. Which can't be synced from s-p-u and the bzr branch is broken
[21:49] <lderan> knome, sure thing about the meeting actions :)
[22:02] <pleia2> shared on g+ and twitter, confirmed rss picked up on facebook
[23:08] <brainwash> sergio-br2: can you please file a report upstream for bug 1271861 ?
[23:09] <sergio-br2> in xfce? bugzilla right?
[23:09] <brainwash> in case you really want this to be fixes
[23:09] <sergio-br2> i can
[23:09] <brainwash> yes
[23:09] <sergio-br2> ok
[23:09] <sergio-br2> minor issue
[23:10] <sergio-br2> i do it tomorrow
[23:11] <brainwash> according to google (picture search) it has been always like this, so the generic folder icon is not a recent regression
[23:11] <brainwash> thanks
[23:15] <micahg> Noskcaj: I can't upload to Debian
[23:16] <Noskcaj> micahg, woops, forgot because you're in "uploaders" for the package
[23:16] <micahg> that just means I'm supposed to help maintain it
[23:16] <Noskcaj> i know
[23:17] <Noskcaj> Are you able to sync from S-P-U to ubuntu or do you have to wait for it to be in stable?
[23:20] <micahg> we probably shouldn'tbe syncing from s-p-u, what's the use case
[23:22] <Noskcaj> xfce4-weather-plugin is completely broken in precise. We need this in precise by feb 6th
[23:22] <Noskcaj> debian had the same issue and corsac fixed it fully
[23:22] <micahg> same version?
[23:23] <micahg> Noskcaj: you have a bug #?
[23:23] <Noskcaj> bug 1244629
[23:24] <Noskcaj> stable and precise had -3, -4 wasn't a fully fix (only in stable), -5 is currently S-P-U
[23:24] <micahg> yep, that should work
[23:26] <micahg> does quantal on work?
[23:27] <Noskcaj> yeah, fixed upstream in 0.8
[23:29] <Noskcaj> quantal has bug 1164736 , but i'm not sure it's worth the SRU
[23:29] <micahg> 0.8.3 would be a backport, a cherry pick could be SRUd if someone wants
[23:32] <micahg> Noskcaj: you want it sponsored in your name
[23:33] <Noskcaj> micahg, I don't really care
[23:34] <micahg> [17:34] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xfce4-weather-plugin (precise-proposed/universe) [0.7.4-3 => 0.7.4-5~ubuntu12.04.1] (ubuntustudio, xubuntu)
[23:35] <Noskcaj> ty
[23:35] <micahg> sure
[23:35] <micahg> I like the easy ones :)
[23:35] <Noskcaj> jjfrv8, If you're still around, would you mind testing this ^
[23:36] <micahg> it needs to be approved first, I can upload to my PPA if you want something to test now
[23:39] <Noskcaj> micahg, It's probably not worth the time to put it in a PPA. We are pretty sure it works, just need "official" proof
[23:41] <micahg> Noskcaj: yeah, if you're subscribed to the bug you'll get an email when it's accepted
[23:43] <slickymaster> cy tomorrow ->
[23:52] <jjfrv8> Noskcaj, micahg, does it take a while to show up? I just enabled precise-proposed and don't see it showing up as an update.
[23:53] <Noskcaj> jjfrv8, As micahg just said, it needs to be approved first (and build). Should be up by tomorrow
[23:54] <jjfrv8> ok, will check back then. I have not been using it but tried it today. I can see that the search is broken.