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GunnarHjrobert_ancell: ping?03:51
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: Hi!03:51
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: How do we get the g-s startup dialog translated?03:52
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: guest session03:52
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: Ubuntu patch?03:52
robert_ancellIt has to be marked for translation in the debian/ directory some how, but I don't know the correct way of doing it03:52
robert_ancellor maybe a patch?03:53
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: Yeah, I too thought of a patch.03:53
robert_ancellautotools fails if we refer to  a file in debian/03:53
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: But I'm not sure either of how all that stuff works.03:53
GunnarHjI see.03:53
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: I can ask for advice here later today.03:54
robert_ancellcool, please do03:54
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: Why are the guest session files in debian, btw? Is guest session a pure Ubuntu thing?03:57
robert_ancellGunnarHj, a lot of the guest session stuff is very Ubuntu specific. It's one reason why I want to split it all out into a separate package. Then that package can contain all this code03:58
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: Ok, room for getting the things in order... ;-)03:59
pittiGood morning05:12
darkxsthi pitti07:32
larsugood morning!07:48
didrockshey larsu!07:55
seb128Laney, hey09:05
seb128good morning desktopers!09:05
seb128happy friday09:05
Laneyhey seb128, happy friday indeed09:06
seb128chrisccoulson, hey, nice from you to say hi there ;-) how are you?09:13
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, not bad thanks. and you?09:21
seb128I'm good, thanks09:21
Laneyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkitgtk/2.3.4-1ubuntu2 exciting09:22
seb128libreoffice built as well09:24
Laneyoh finally I was allowed to report the mediascanner crash09:26
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* pitti waves hello to Laney, seb128, and chrisccoulson; how are things in desktop land?09:39
seb128pitti, hey! quite good, thanks! how are things in qa this week? ;-)09:39
chrisccoulsonhi pitti, I'm ok (although not really in desktop land) ;)09:40
chrisccoulsonhow are you?09:40
pittiseb128: quite nice; I got some new toys to play with (four ARM nodes in a Calxeda box), and do preps for running autopkgtests on them09:40
pittiunlike the pandas back then, these nodes are a real pleasure09:41
pittichrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks!09:41
Laneypretty good thanks pitti!09:42
Laneyexcept for my adventures in autopilot land ^o)09:43
pittiLaney: heh09:43
pittithe flight business isn't for everyone :-P09:43
pittimore seriously; I didn't follow the threads that closely, did you figure it out at last?09:44
LaneyI got some replies with things to try09:45
darkxstseb128, hi, lp:~darkxst/ubuntu/trusty/nautilus/310b fixes buttons and headerbar corners09:51
darkxstbut there is one last issue with the pathbar button having square edges on the left side sometimes09:52
seb128darkxst, hey, thanks, I'm going to review it (comment on your wiki as well)09:52
darkxstseb128, somehow the branch in the MP got messed up09:53
darkxstI don't know why it has conflicts in the upstream code09:54
darkxstI can close it and relink one with the above branch09:55
darkxstoh, needs to rebased against the latest nautilus actually09:58
darkxstseb128, ok just relinked a rebased branch in the MP10:20
Sweetsharkoh, we have pitti as guest in -desktop?10:22
* Sweetshark brings tea and cookies.10:22
pittiSweetshark: I've never stopped hanging out here :)10:22
seb128138+- action = gtk_action_group_get_action (action_group, name);10:22
seb128139++ action = gtk_action_group_get_action (action_group, name);10:22
seb128darkxst, that space change seems an error?10:23
pittiSweetshark: mmmmm cookies!10:23
seb128Sweetshark, he's a permanent special guest!10:23
Sweetsharkseb128: /me is still a bit dizzy.10:24
seb128Sweetshark, too much drinking? ;-)10:25
SweetsharkI watched and babysitted the ppc build finish yesterday. Could sleep before seeing that.10:25
seb128oh, ok10:25
seb128I need to binnew it now10:25
darkxstseb128, gah that code there has real tabs ;(10:27
darkxstanyway fixed10:29
darkxstpitti, can you get to my testimonial today? ;)10:44
pittidarkxst: yes, I will; sorry for the delay10:57
pittiseb128: do you know where in control-center the unity configuration hides?10:57
pittinot too long ago there was an appearance & behaviour or somethign such10:57
pittiit's gone10:57
pittiit seems some upgrade reset my changed key for the HUD10:58
LaneyKeyboard → Shortcuts → Launchers → "Key to show the HUD" here10:59
Laneypitti: ^10:59
seb128pitti, if you have unity-control-center installed you need to run gnome-control-center.real10:59
seb128pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/127171010:59
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1271710 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "doesn't list compiz/unity keybindings" [Undecided,New]10:59
pittiLaney: thanks, that worked; no idea what reset it11:00
Laneythere were some uploads ...11:00
seb128uploads don't reset user settings though11:00
pittiseb128: I don't; but I did test robert's PPA once11:00
Laneynothing should11:00
pittiI have gnome-control-center installed, and not unity-control-center; should I?11:00
seb128right, that's rather a bug somewhere than an update11:00
seb128pitti, no, I though you might, we are still working on the transition11:01
pittiyeah, I figure somethign weird with jhbuild or what not; let's ignore that one11:01
pittiseb128: ok, so it's probably due to the PPA testing; if you still have it, I'm fine; it's time for a reinstall soon :)11:01
pittithis box is too whacked by now11:01
Sweetsharkseb128: hmmm, I dont find a libreoffice upgrade in trusty-proposed. Am I missing something obvious?11:14
seb128Sweetshark, yes, binNEW11:17
seb128Sweetshark, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=11:17
seb128Sweetshark, I'm having a look to those now11:17
Sweetsharkseb128: k, thx11:21
seb128Sweetshark, libreoffice-sdbc-firebird_4.2.0~rc2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb has no "useful" file it seems?11:22
seb128Sweetshark, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6807844/11:22
seb128Sweetshark, is that normal?11:22
Sweetsharkseb128: meh.11:26
seb128Sweetshark, NEWed anyway, but that might be a bug11:26
Sweetsharkseb128: libreoffice-sdbc-firebird would be a new package. But I disabled building firebird-sdbc as firebird is in universe and not in the best state as of now. So there shouldnt have been a package at all ideally ...11:27
seb128Sweetshark, I see, yeah, maybe commenting in debian/control would make sense11:28
Sweetsharkseb128: nah, libreoffice is generating ./debian/control -- so properly, it shouldnt have that package at all.11:29
Sweetsharkseb128: I will fix that, would that block uploading to trusty. Having an empty stale package of something we dont know we could deploy would be meh.11:30
seb128Sweetshark, no, it's not a blocker, as said "NEWed anyway, but that might be a bug"11:31
seb128Sweetshark, if you stop building the binary in a next upload it's going to be cleaned just fine, no worry11:31
Sweetsharkseb128: k, excellent.11:31
Sweetsharkreal man build libreoffice with pbuilder --build --twice.11:34
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seb128Sweetshark, well done, I just enabled trusty-proposed to test libreoffice, update went fine, I've 4.2 running, working fine (from what I tested) and in french ;-)12:15
Sweetsharkseb128: \o/12:17
seb128Sweetshark, the libreoffice "start" screen (e.g the one letting you pick a recent document or writer/calc/...) is not translated though, is that a bug or just french translators slacking?12:17
Sweetsharkseb128: ... aaaand building tarballs for rc3 right now.12:18
Sweetsharkseb128: that might be just localizers slacking as the start screen was still under heavy development late. I will look into it before the next upload though.12:19
seb128Sweetshark, thanks12:19
seb128Sweetshark, good job in any case, that split went smoothly it seems ;-)12:19
Sweetsharkseb128: which ironically helps us most for the PPAs -- but then again: more/better testing in PPAs => better quality in the archive.12:20
seb128it also means lower build time12:21
Sweetshark(and doing things 'slightly different' in PPAs is a sure way into desolation ;) )12:21
Sweetsharkseb128: yep. and security updates without l10n rebuilds.12:21
seb128Sweetshark, the fileselector has a bug, the "> File type" at the bottom of the open dialog lost its label12:24
seb128Sweetshark, hum, can't reproduce now, weird12:25
Sweetsharkseb128: have it installed from proposed here now too. Open dialog looks fine here.12:38
seb128Sweetshark, yeah, I had the issue once (or I wonder now if I was just not awake and overlooked the label)12:39
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GunnarHjseb128: Hi Sebastien!13:02
seb128GunnarHj, hey13:04
GunnarHjseb128: Time for a lightdm packaging question?13:04
seb128GunnarHj, sure13:04
GunnarHjThe lightdm source package contains the file debian/guest-session-auto.sh, which has translatable strings. However, robert_ancell let me know that autotools fails if po/POTFILES.in refers to  a file in debian/, so in the latest lightdm release those strings didn't make it to lightdm.mo.13:05
GunnarHjAny ideas how this issue can be resolved?13:05
seb128GunnarHj, do you have details on how it fails? listing a debian/ file should work without issue13:07
GunnarHjseb128: No, I'm afraid not.13:08
GunnarHjseb128: Can the problem be related to the fact that upstream lightdm is identical with lightdm in Ubuntu?13:10
Laneyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brightness#Phone do we have anything that looks like that in u-s-s atm?13:10
xnoxunity-control-center wants to be demoted to universe, shouldn't it be seeded into ubuntu-desktop?13:10
LaneyI did two Standards but it looks weird13:10
Laneyxnox: not yet13:10
Laneyput it in supported for now if you want13:10
xnoxLaney: at least into common / supported. Ack.13:10
seb128xnox, what Laney said, the transition is still not done so we can't switch yet13:11
seb128GunnarHj, well, if that debian file is not upstream we need a debian/patches in the packaging to add it to the POTFILES.in13:11
xnoxseb128: Laney: is "supported-desktop-extra" seed meant to be in main or universe?13:12
xnoxcause xchat-gnome is trying to get demoted into universe, yet it's in that seed...13:12
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GunnarHjseb128: So an Ubuntu patch that adds the required line to po/POTFILES.in would solve the problem?13:13
Laneyxnox: where?13:13
seb128GunnarHj, it should, btw I'm not sure I like that new feature, it's quite annoying to have that reminder all the time13:15
GunnarHjseb128: It has been requested... And it can be disabled.13:16
GunnarHjseb128: After all, you are not the typical guest, right?13:16
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xnoxLaney: good point. bug #1272232 is miss-leading13:17
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1272232 in xchat-indicator (Ubuntu) "Please demote xchat-indicator and xchat-gnome to universe" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127223213:17
seb128GunnarHj, who knows if I'm a typical guest or not? ;-) The feature might be mostly used by devs for testing for what we know13:18
seb128GunnarHj, we don't really have datas to say who use that feature most and how13:18
GunnarHjseb128: True... But devs is not the official target audience. Anyway, I'm about to completely rewrite https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeGuestSession, and it will include howto disable the dialog.13:21
seb128GunnarHj, ok, thanks13:21
Laneyseb128: see my u-s-s question ↑ please13:24
GunnarHjseb128: In the meantime, this is for you only:13:25
GunnarHjCreate the file /etc/guest-session/prefs.sh and insert this line:13:25
Laneyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguageAndText#phone uses a ListItem.Caption for that Shift thing13:25
GunnarHjtouch $HOME/.skip-guest-warning-dialog13:26
seb128GunnarHj, thanks13:26
GunnarHjseb128: You're welcome. :)13:26
seb128Laney, define "that"?13:26
Laneywhich that?13:26
Laneythe subtitle thing13:26
seb128"do we have anything that looks like *that*"13:26
seb128it's a caption13:27
seb128though those don't line wrap13:27
seb128which sucks13:27
seb128Laney, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Location#Phone has a mockup13:27
Laneythere's http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Components.ListItems.Subtitled/13:27
Laneybut it has no control13:27
Laneyyeah I can't tell if that's the same thing13:28
seb128Laney, I would put 2 entries next to each other without a divider13:28
Laneympt's mockup has a divider13:28
seb128not between the checkbox and the caption13:28
Laneyon Location13:29
seb128oh, right13:29
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seb128Laney, we don't have any UI with a checkbox and caption I think13:30
seb128Laney, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-settings-updates-automatic.png has a subtitle on the 3rd option13:30
seb128Laney, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts#phone-settings has some caption as well13:32
seb128Laney, btw speaking of those, see my comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/119451313:32
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1194513 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[ListItem] Should be possible to wrap text in list items" [Undecided,In progress]13:32
LaneyCaption seems to be the best for now13:35
desrtLaney, seb128: good morning!13:39
seb128we really need to get the caption look fixed though13:39
seb128the left margin at least13:39
seb128it looks just weird13:39
seb128desrt, hey, happy friday!13:39
Laneyhey seb128!13:41
Laneyi did a 0 character tab complete13:41
Laneyhey desrt!13:41
mptOoh, I was inconsistent13:42
mptThe “Language & Text” captions are after their respective items, but the brightness “Adjust automatically” caption is inside the item13:43
seb128mpt, do you know if anyone is working on fixing the caption look? see Laney's screenshot in the backlog, the left margin doesn't look right13:43
mptseb128, I don’t work on or communicate with the SDK team (except through bug reports), though that might change in future13:43
seb128mpt, ok13:44
seb128mpt, btw, it's not only language&text, in e.g https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Location#Phone you also put the caption after the item13:44
mptseb128, yeah, I think the Brightness one is the odd one out13:45
mptAt the moment, at least … If I designed the toolkit they’d probably all look like that13:46
desrtthat was not fun.13:56
desrtLaney: greetings :)13:57
Laneydesrt: something happen?14:00
desrti got the megalag and then my server booted me off14:01
seb128Laney, can you test https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/notify-osd/notify-osd.fix-1092905/+merge/203047 on your non unity config? ;-)14:16
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seb128tjaalton, mlankhorst: https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/49d3a89d3542996200164f9b4a5c33cbdba206c2 is 1st on e.u.c for trusty today with 9 report, could you have a look (intel gpu lock)14:37
tjaaltonlooks like apport got reenabled then ;)14:39
pittitjaalton: errors.u.c. never gets disabled14:39
pittitjaalton: but I'll reenable launchpad crash reports soon14:40
pitti(like, today or Monday, -ETOOMUCHTODO)14:40
seb128tjaalton, or an issue with a kernel update?14:40
tjaaltonseb128: could be, there haven't been other updates lately14:40
seb128wooot, indicators landing, getting closer from an unity-control-center working ;-)14:43
seb128pitti, dpm: how do we get a new template added to the desktop language-pack (unity-control-center)?14:48
dpmseb128, afaik, once the template is approved in LP, then langpack-o-matic puts it in the right langpack looking at the dependencies14:49
pittiseb128: you mean it doesn't currently built a  .pot with that?14:49
seb128pitti, I'm about to fix the build to have a pot and the package is in main, I'm wondering what I should (if anything) then to have the pot landing in the desktop langpack binary14:50
pittiseb128: from the langpack side, nothign; LP just needs to pick it up and export it14:50
seb128pitti, how does the system know in what langpack to put it? (unity-control-center is not seeded yet, do I need to wait for that to happen?)14:51
pittiseb128: it looks at its dependencies14:53
pittiseb128: as it links to gtk-ish stuff, it'll categorize it for the -gnome langpack14:53
seb128pitti, excellent, thanks14:53
sil2100Laney: hi! Regarding that grilo patch forwarding ;)14:56
sil2100Laney: I'm not an expert in this code base, but I actually see that they did something like this in trunk instead: https://git.gnome.org/browse/grilo/tree/libs/net/grl-net-mock.c?id=e04c039a98d0956936c671b0678756bfaa1a5480#n26214:57
sil2100Laney: I guess this might protect from the double-free problems we've been encountering, right?14:58
* didrocks is away for exercising14:59
* seb128 follows didrocks15:01
Laneysil2100: ummmmmm15:11
Laneysil2100: seems likely, yeah15:14
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mterryseb128, OK.  So in Unity, I see Backups in both g-c-c and u-c-c.  You're saying that in GNOME, it doesn't show up in either?16:06
mterryseb128, So in Unity, I see Backups in both g-c-c and u-c-c.  You're saying that in GNOME, it doesn't show up in either?16:11
seb128mterry, hey16:17
mterryseb128, hi.  Sorry, my IRC is crazy16:17
mterryseb128, did you get my question?16:17
seb128mterry, I'm saying that backup doesn't show in gnome-control-center.real under Unity16:17
mterryoh... .real?16:17
seb128mterry, g-c-c is a wrapper calling u-c-c or g-c-c.real16:17
seb128mterry, if you have u-c-c and want to try g-c-c you need to run .real16:18
seb128mterry, otherwise you get u-c-c through the wrapper16:18
mterryseb128, OK.  So in Unity, without u-c-c, I wouldn't see Backups16:18
seb128mterry, if that makes sense?16:18
seb128which is the default config in trusty atm16:18
seb128since we didn't complete the transition/switch the seed16:18
mterryseb128, I'm leery of just adding Unity;GNOME; because then there would be two entries in the dash, eh?16:19
seb128mterry, that's a good point maybe we just need to finish the transition16:19
seb128mterry, btw did you see my deja-dup mp to fix the unity integration?16:20
mterryseb128, I had been testing without understanding we had a wrapper, so I thought everything was magically fine.  :)16:20
mterryseb128, just merged it16:20
seb128mterry, great, thanks ;-)16:20
mterryseb128, maybe g-c-c should force GNOME when looking for its panels.  And u-c-c should force Unity16:20
seb128mterry, yeah, it just occurred to me that the wrapper might have tricked you :p16:20
mterryseb128, that's what I thought g-c-c was doing, and I figured it was very clever16:20
mterryThere is a way to tell libgmenu or whatever which desktop you are in (otherwise, it looks it up in env)16:21
seb128mterry, that would make sense I guess16:21
mterryNot sure it's really needed.  But it would help in the transition maybe16:21
seb128with the 2 variant you don't want dynamic behaviour16:21
seb128you want g-c-c to act as a GNOME config tool and u-c-c as an Unity one16:22
seb128mterry, well, the transition is mostly done, so I would say we don't need to bother16:22
seb128dpm, can you approve https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/unity-control-center/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot for me?16:22
mterryseb128, thanks for figuring out that MP of yours, btw.  I'm surprised I never finished hooking that option up16:23
mterryseb128, just got lost in the transition to cmake16:23
seb128mterry, yw ;-)16:23
dpmseb128, done, should be imported in a few minutes (20 or so, perhaps)16:24
seb128dpm, thanks!16:24
Laney wait wtf16:24
Laneywhy doesn't powerd use properties?16:24
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seb128Laney, did you see my notify-osd ping earlier?16:54
seb128Laney, this channel, ~3:40 ago16:55
Laneyoh yes I got it16:55
seb128Laney, so can you test it? ;-)17:02
Laneyyeah building it now17:02
Laneywhat should happen?17:03
Laneythe notifications should be below the panel?17:03
seb128same that they were until recently17:03
LaneyI didn't even notice that changed :(17:03
seb128oh, maybe it's working with gnome-panel17:03
Laneyno, they do overlap17:03
Laneyhow do I make sure I'm using the new one?17:04
seb128Laney, what is your " gsettings get com.canonical.notify-osd multihead-mode"17:04
seb128old default was no-focus-follow, new one is focus-follow17:04
seb128it might be a multimonitor issue only17:04
LaneyI see the problem17:05
seb128well, in any case, just check your bubble are still placed next to the panel17:05
LaneyI just never noticed it changed / was wrong17:05
Laneyso, I installed it17:05
Laneydo I have to restart something?17:05
seb128the postinst restart it17:05
Laneythen they are still overlapping17:05
seb128check since when notify-osd is running?17:05
seb128in case the restart thing didn't work17:06
seb128bah, MacSlow left on that :p17:06
seb128come back!!!17:06
seb128Laney, do you use 1 or 2 screens?17:06
Laneyvery wily17:06
* Laney scps the deb to the multi-monitor unity desktop17:07
Laneysomething is wrong17:08
seb128buggy on the other setup as well?17:08
LaneyI don't get notifications on the left monitor17:08
Laneyif I select a window on the right one I see them17:09
seb128you should get it on the monitor which has the focussed win17:09
seb128was it working before that update?17:09
Laneyyes and it works if I downgrade17:10
seb128ok, I guess that makes it a verification-failed, good that I asked you to test17:10
Laneylet me comment17:10
seb128can you comment on the mp saying that?17:11
seb128Laney, I guess your left monitor is smaller resolution?17:19
Laney900 vs 1050 vertical17:20
seb128I can confirm that17:20
seb128the bubbles are missing on smaller resolution screen (or shifted to the top, if I change my 1920 for 1680 I can still see the bubble but it's getting a bit offscreen)17:20
Laneya diff that simple has to be too good to be true ;-)17:21
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seb128darkxst, commented on your wikipage, I think you should update the "Previous Endorsements" to specify for what the endorsements were, it's a bit misleading, it looks like they are recommendation for MOTU/GNOME set where they are not17:55
Laneypub time!18:04
Laneyhappy weekend everyone :-)18:04
seb128Laney, thanks have fun at the pub and a good w.e!18:06
Noah_Budyi want to create a games folder on my desktop19:13
Noah_Budyi have one there now. and put my steam install and 2 playonlinux shortcuts there19:13
Noah_Budybut i cannot figure out how to put other shortcuts into the desktop19:13
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