=== tim___ is now known as thumper === duflu_ is now known as duflu [03:51] robert_ancell: ping? [03:51] hello [03:51] robert_ancell: Hi! [03:52] robert_ancell: How do we get the g-s startup dialog translated? [03:52] g-s? [03:52] robert_ancell: guest session [03:52] robert_ancell: Ubuntu patch? [03:52] It has to be marked for translation in the debian/ directory some how, but I don't know the correct way of doing it [03:53] or maybe a patch? [03:53] robert_ancell: Yeah, I too thought of a patch. [03:53] autotools fails if we refer to a file in debian/ [03:53] robert_ancell: But I'm not sure either of how all that stuff works. [03:53] I see. [03:54] robert_ancell: I can ask for advice here later today. [03:54] cool, please do [03:57] robert_ancell: Why are the guest session files in debian, btw? Is guest session a pure Ubuntu thing? [03:58] GunnarHj, a lot of the guest session stuff is very Ubuntu specific. It's one reason why I want to split it all out into a separate package. Then that package can contain all this code [03:59] robert_ancell: Ok, room for getting the things in order... ;-) [05:12] Good morning [07:32] hi pitti [07:48] good morning! [07:55] hey larsu! [09:04] hey [09:05] Laney, hey [09:05] good morning desktopers! [09:05] happy friday [09:06] hey seb128, happy friday indeed [09:10] hello! [09:13] chrisccoulson, hey, nice from you to say hi there ;-) how are you? [09:21] seb128, yeah, not bad thanks. and you? [09:21] I'm good, thanks [09:22] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkitgtk/2.3.4-1ubuntu2 exciting [09:23] nice [09:24] libreoffice built as well [09:26] oh finally I was allowed to report the mediascanner crash === mpt_ is now known as mpt === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:39] * pitti waves hello to Laney, seb128, and chrisccoulson; how are things in desktop land? [09:39] pitti, hey! quite good, thanks! how are things in qa this week? ;-) [09:40] hi pitti, I'm ok (although not really in desktop land) ;) [09:40] how are you? [09:40] seb128: quite nice; I got some new toys to play with (four ARM nodes in a Calxeda box), and do preps for running autopkgtests on them [09:41] unlike the pandas back then, these nodes are a real pleasure [09:41] chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! [09:42] yay [09:42] pretty good thanks pitti! [09:43] except for my adventures in autopilot land ^o) [09:43] Laney: heh [09:43] the flight business isn't for everyone :-P [09:44] more seriously; I didn't follow the threads that closely, did you figure it out at last? [09:45] I got some replies with things to try [09:51] seb128, hi, lp:~darkxst/ubuntu/trusty/nautilus/310b fixes buttons and headerbar corners [09:52] but there is one last issue with the pathbar button having square edges on the left side sometimes [09:52] darkxst, hey, thanks, I'm going to review it (comment on your wiki as well) [09:53] seb128, somehow the branch in the MP got messed up [09:53] oh? [09:54] I don't know why it has conflicts in the upstream code [09:55] I can close it and relink one with the above branch [09:58] oh, needs to rebased against the latest nautilus actually [10:20] seb128, ok just relinked a rebased branch in the MP [10:22] oh, we have pitti as guest in -desktop? [10:22] * Sweetshark brings tea and cookies. [10:22] darkxst, [10:22] Sweetshark: I've never stopped hanging out here :) [10:22] 138 +- action = gtk_action_group_get_action (action_group, name); [10:22] 139 ++ action = gtk_action_group_get_action (action_group, name); [10:23] darkxst, that space change seems an error? [10:23] Sweetshark: mmmmm cookies! [10:23] Sweetshark, he's a permanent special guest! [10:24] seb128: /me is still a bit dizzy. [10:25] Sweetshark, too much drinking? ;-) [10:25] I watched and babysitted the ppc build finish yesterday. Could sleep before seeing that. [10:25] oh, ok [10:25] s/Could/Couldnt/ [10:25] I need to binnew it now [10:27] seb128, gah that code there has real tabs ;( [10:29] anyway fixed [10:32] thanks [10:44] pitti, can you get to my testimonial today? ;) [10:57] darkxst: yes, I will; sorry for the delay [10:57] seb128: do you know where in control-center the unity configuration hides? [10:57] not too long ago there was an appearance & behaviour or somethign such [10:57] it's gone [10:58] it seems some upgrade reset my changed key for the HUD [10:59] Keyboard → Shortcuts → Launchers → "Key to show the HUD" here [10:59] pitti: ^ [10:59] pitti, if you have unity-control-center installed you need to run gnome-control-center.real [10:59] pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1271710 [10:59] Launchpad bug 1271710 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "doesn't list compiz/unity keybindings" [Undecided,New] [11:00] Laney: thanks, that worked; no idea what reset it [11:00] there were some uploads ... [11:00] uploads don't reset user settings though [11:00] seb128: I don't; but I did test robert's PPA once [11:00] nothing should [11:00] I have gnome-control-center installed, and not unity-control-center; should I? [11:00] right, that's rather a bug somewhere than an update [11:01] pitti, no, I though you might, we are still working on the transition [11:01] yes [11:01] yeah, I figure somethign weird with jhbuild or what not; let's ignore that one [11:01] seb128: ok, so it's probably due to the PPA testing; if you still have it, I'm fine; it's time for a reinstall soon :) [11:01] this box is too whacked by now [11:14] seb128: hmmm, I dont find a libreoffice upgrade in trusty-proposed. Am I missing something obvious? [11:17] Sweetshark, yes, binNEW [11:17] Sweetshark, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text= [11:17] Sweetshark, I'm having a look to those now [11:21] seb128: k, thx [11:22] Sweetshark, libreoffice-sdbc-firebird_4.2.0~rc2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb has no "useful" file it seems? [11:22] Sweetshark, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6807844/ [11:22] Sweetshark, is that normal? [11:26] seb128: meh. [11:26] Sweetshark, NEWed anyway, but that might be a bug [11:27] seb128: libreoffice-sdbc-firebird would be a new package. But I disabled building firebird-sdbc as firebird is in universe and not in the best state as of now. So there shouldnt have been a package at all ideally ... [11:28] Sweetshark, I see, yeah, maybe commenting in debian/control would make sense [11:29] seb128: nah, libreoffice is generating ./debian/control -- so properly, it shouldnt have that package at all. [11:30] seb128: I will fix that, would that block uploading to trusty. Having an empty stale package of something we dont know we could deploy would be meh. [11:31] Sweetshark, no, it's not a blocker, as said "NEWed anyway, but that might be a bug" [11:31] Sweetshark, if you stop building the binary in a next upload it's going to be cleaned just fine, no worry [11:31] seb128: k, excellent. [11:34] real man build libreoffice with pbuilder --build --twice. === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:15] Sweetshark, well done, I just enabled trusty-proposed to test libreoffice, update went fine, I've 4.2 running, working fine (from what I tested) and in french ;-) [12:17] seb128: \o/ [12:17] Sweetshark, the libreoffice "start" screen (e.g the one letting you pick a recent document or writer/calc/...) is not translated though, is that a bug or just french translators slacking? [12:18] seb128: ... aaaand building tarballs for rc3 right now. [12:19] seb128: that might be just localizers slacking as the start screen was still under heavy development late. I will look into it before the next upload though. [12:19] Sweetshark, thanks [12:19] Sweetshark, good job in any case, that split went smoothly it seems ;-) [12:20] seb128: which ironically helps us most for the PPAs -- but then again: more/better testing in PPAs => better quality in the archive. [12:21] right [12:21] it also means lower build time [12:21] (and doing things 'slightly different' in PPAs is a sure way into desolation ;) ) [12:21] seb128: yep. and security updates without l10n rebuilds. [12:24] Sweetshark, the fileselector has a bug, the "> File type" at the bottom of the open dialog lost its label [12:25] Sweetshark, hum, can't reproduce now, weird [12:38] seb128: have it installed from proposed here now too. Open dialog looks fine here. [12:39] Sweetshark, yeah, I had the issue once (or I wonder now if I was just not awake and overlooked the label) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:02] seb128: Hi Sebastien! [13:04] GunnarHj, hey [13:04] seb128: Time for a lightdm packaging question? [13:04] GunnarHj, sure [13:05] The lightdm source package contains the file debian/guest-session-auto.sh, which has translatable strings. However, robert_ancell let me know that autotools fails if po/POTFILES.in refers to a file in debian/, so in the latest lightdm release those strings didn't make it to lightdm.mo. [13:05] Any ideas how this issue can be resolved? [13:07] GunnarHj, do you have details on how it fails? listing a debian/ file should work without issue [13:08] seb128: No, I'm afraid not. [13:10] hmm [13:10] seb128: Can the problem be related to the fact that upstream lightdm is identical with lightdm in Ubuntu? [13:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brightness#Phone do we have anything that looks like that in u-s-s atm? [13:10] unity-control-center wants to be demoted to universe, shouldn't it be seeded into ubuntu-desktop? [13:10] I did two Standards but it looks weird [13:10] xnox: not yet [13:10] put it in supported for now if you want [13:10] Laney: at least into common / supported. Ack. [13:11] xnox, what Laney said, the transition is still not done so we can't switch yet [13:11] GunnarHj, well, if that debian file is not upstream we need a debian/patches in the packaging to add it to the POTFILES.in [13:12] seb128: Laney: is "supported-desktop-extra" seed meant to be in main or universe? [13:12] cause xchat-gnome is trying to get demoted into universe, yet it's in that seed... === mjohnson15_2 is now known as mjohnson15 === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [13:13] seb128: So an Ubuntu patch that adds the required line to po/POTFILES.in would solve the problem? [13:13] xnox: where? [13:15] GunnarHj, it should, btw I'm not sure I like that new feature, it's quite annoying to have that reminder all the time [13:16] seb128: It has been requested... And it can be disabled. [13:16] seb128: After all, you are not the typical guest, right? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:17] Laney: good point. bug #1272232 is miss-leading [13:17] Launchpad bug 1272232 in xchat-indicator (Ubuntu) "Please demote xchat-indicator and xchat-gnome to universe" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1272232 [13:18] GunnarHj, who knows if I'm a typical guest or not? ;-) The feature might be mostly used by devs for testing for what we know [13:18] GunnarHj, we don't really have datas to say who use that feature most and how [13:21] seb128: True... But devs is not the official target audience. Anyway, I'm about to completely rewrite https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeGuestSession, and it will include howto disable the dialog. [13:21] GunnarHj, ok, thanks [13:24] seb128: see my u-s-s question ↑ please [13:25] hmm [13:25] seb128: In the meantime, this is for you only: [13:25] Create the file /etc/guest-session/prefs.sh and insert this line: [13:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguageAndText#phone uses a ListItem.Caption for that Shift thing [13:26] touch $HOME/.skip-guest-warning-dialog [13:26] ;-) [13:26] GunnarHj, thanks [13:26] seb128: You're welcome. :) [13:26] Laney, define "that"? [13:26] which that? [13:26] the subtitle thing [13:26] "do we have anything that looks like *that*" [13:27] it's a caption [13:27] though those don't line wrap [13:27] which sucks [13:27] mmm [13:27] Laney, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Location#Phone has a mockup [13:27] there's http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Components.ListItems.Subtitled/ [13:27] but it has no control [13:28] yeah I can't tell if that's the same thing [13:28] Laney, I would put 2 entries next to each other without a divider [13:28] mpt's mockup has a divider [13:28] not between the checkbox and the caption [13:29] on Location [13:29] oh, right === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [13:29] https://ubuntuone.com/1H4TZb2iZxg23RmAQ3v2as [13:30] Laney, we don't have any UI with a checkbox and caption I think [13:30] Laney, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-settings-updates-automatic.png has a subtitle on the 3rd option [13:32] Laney, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts#phone-settings has some caption as well [13:32] Laney, btw speaking of those, see my comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1194513 [13:32] Launchpad bug 1194513 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[ListItem] Should be possible to wrap text in list items" [Undecided,In progress] [13:35] mmm [13:35] Caption seems to be the best for now [13:39] Laney, seb128: good morning! [13:39] we really need to get the caption look fixed though [13:39] the left margin at least [13:39] it looks just weird [13:39] desrt, hey, happy friday! [13:41] hey seb128! [13:41] erm [13:41] i did a 0 character tab complete [13:41] hey desrt! [13:42] Ooh, I was inconsistent [13:43] The “Language & Text” captions are after their respective items, but the brightness “Adjust automatically” caption is inside the item [13:43] mpt, do you know if anyone is working on fixing the caption look? see Laney's screenshot in the backlog, the left margin doesn't look right [13:43] seb128, I don’t work on or communicate with the SDK team (except through bug reports), though that might change in future [13:43] haha [13:44] mpt, ok [13:44] mpt, btw, it's not only language&text, in e.g https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Location#Phone you also put the caption after the item [13:45] seb128, yeah, I think the Brightness one is the odd one out [13:46] At the moment, at least … If I designed the toolkit they’d probably all look like that [13:56] that was not fun. [13:57] Laney: greetings :) [14:00] desrt: something happen? [14:01] i got the megalag and then my server booted me off [14:16] Laney, can you test https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/notify-osd/notify-osd.fix-1092905/+merge/203047 on your non unity config? ;-) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:37] tjaalton, mlankhorst: https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/49d3a89d3542996200164f9b4a5c33cbdba206c2 is 1st on e.u.c for trusty today with 9 report, could you have a look (intel gpu lock) [14:39] looks like apport got reenabled then ;) [14:39] tjaalton: errors.u.c. never gets disabled [14:40] tjaalton: but I'll reenable launchpad crash reports soon [14:40] (like, today or Monday, -ETOOMUCHTODO) [14:40] tjaalton, or an issue with a kernel update? [14:40] ahh [14:40] seb128: could be, there haven't been other updates lately [14:43] wooot, indicators landing, getting closer from an unity-control-center working ;-) [14:48] pitti, dpm: how do we get a new template added to the desktop language-pack (unity-control-center)? [14:49] seb128, afaik, once the template is approved in LP, then langpack-o-matic puts it in the right langpack looking at the dependencies [14:49] seb128: you mean it doesn't currently built a .pot with that? [14:50] pitti, I'm about to fix the build to have a pot and the package is in main, I'm wondering what I should (if anything) then to have the pot landing in the desktop langpack binary [14:50] seb128: from the langpack side, nothign; LP just needs to pick it up and export it [14:51] pitti, how does the system know in what langpack to put it? (unity-control-center is not seeded yet, do I need to wait for that to happen?) [14:53] seb128: it looks at its dependencies [14:53] seb128: as it links to gtk-ish stuff, it'll categorize it for the -gnome langpack [14:53] pitti, excellent, thanks [14:56] Laney: hi! Regarding that grilo patch forwarding ;) [14:57] Laney: I'm not an expert in this code base, but I actually see that they did something like this in trunk instead: https://git.gnome.org/browse/grilo/tree/libs/net/grl-net-mock.c?id=e04c039a98d0956936c671b0678756bfaa1a5480#n262 [14:58] Laney: I guess this might protect from the double-free problems we've been encountering, right? [14:59] * didrocks is away for exercising [15:01] * seb128 follows didrocks [15:11] sil2100: ummmmmm [15:14] sil2100: seems likely, yeah === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [16:06] seb128, OK. So in Unity, I see Backups in both g-c-c and u-c-c. You're saying that in GNOME, it doesn't show up in either? [16:11] seb128, So in Unity, I see Backups in both g-c-c and u-c-c. You're saying that in GNOME, it doesn't show up in either? [16:17] mterry, hey [16:17] seb128, hi. Sorry, my IRC is crazy [16:17] seb128, did you get my question? [16:17] mterry, I'm saying that backup doesn't show in gnome-control-center.real under Unity [16:17] oh... .real? [16:17] mterry, g-c-c is a wrapper calling u-c-c or g-c-c.real [16:18] mterry, if you have u-c-c and want to try g-c-c you need to run .real [16:18] mterry, otherwise you get u-c-c through the wrapper [16:18] seb128, OK. So in Unity, without u-c-c, I wouldn't see Backups [16:18] mterry, if that makes sense? [16:18] correct [16:18] which is the default config in trusty atm [16:18] since we didn't complete the transition/switch the seed [16:19] seb128, I'm leery of just adding Unity;GNOME; because then there would be two entries in the dash, eh? [16:19] mterry, that's a good point maybe we just need to finish the transition [16:20] mterry, btw did you see my deja-dup mp to fix the unity integration? [16:20] seb128, I had been testing without understanding we had a wrapper, so I thought everything was magically fine. :) [16:20] seb128, just merged it [16:20] mterry, great, thanks ;-) [16:20] seb128, maybe g-c-c should force GNOME when looking for its panels. And u-c-c should force Unity [16:20] mterry, yeah, it just occurred to me that the wrapper might have tricked you :p [16:20] seb128, that's what I thought g-c-c was doing, and I figured it was very clever [16:21] There is a way to tell libgmenu or whatever which desktop you are in (otherwise, it looks it up in env) [16:21] mterry, that would make sense I guess [16:21] Not sure it's really needed. But it would help in the transition maybe [16:21] with the 2 variant you don't want dynamic behaviour [16:22] you want g-c-c to act as a GNOME config tool and u-c-c as an Unity one [16:22] mterry, well, the transition is mostly done, so I would say we don't need to bother [16:22] dpm, can you approve https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/unity-control-center/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot for me? [16:23] seb128, thanks for figuring out that MP of yours, btw. I'm surprised I never finished hooking that option up [16:23] seb128, just got lost in the transition to cmake [16:23] mterry, yw ;-) [16:24] seb128, done, should be imported in a few minutes (20 or so, perhaps) [16:24] dpm, thanks! [16:24] wait wtf [16:24] why doesn't powerd use properties? === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:54] Laney, did you see my notify-osd ping earlier? [16:54] no [16:54] when/where? [16:55] Laney, this channel, ~3:40 ago [16:55] oh yes I got it [17:02] Laney, so can you test it? ;-) [17:02] yeah building it now [17:02] thanks [17:03] what should happen? [17:03] the notifications should be below the panel? [17:03] yes [17:03] same that they were until recently [17:03] I didn't even notice that changed :( [17:03] oh, maybe it's working with gnome-panel [17:03] no, they do overlap [17:04] how do I make sure I'm using the new one? [17:04] Laney, what is your " gsettings get com.canonical.notify-osd multihead-mode" [17:04] old default was no-focus-follow, new one is focus-follow [17:04] focus-follow [17:04] it might be a multimonitor issue only [17:05] I see the problem [17:05] well, in any case, just check your bubble are still placed next to the panel [17:05] I just never noticed it changed / was wrong [17:05] k [17:05] so, I installed it [17:05] do I have to restart something? [17:05] no [17:05] the postinst restart it [17:05] then they are still overlapping [17:05] hum [17:05] check since when notify-osd is running? [17:06] in case the restart thing didn't work [17:06] 17:03 [17:06] :-( [17:06] bah, MacSlow left on that :p [17:06] come back!!! [17:06] Laney, do you use 1 or 2 screens? [17:06] very wily [17:06] 1 [17:07] * Laney scps the deb to the multi-monitor unity desktop [17:08] something is wrong [17:08] buggy on the other setup as well? [17:08] I don't get notifications on the left monitor [17:09] if I select a window on the right one I see them [17:09] you should get it on the monitor which has the focussed win [17:09] was it working before that update? [17:10] yes and it works if I downgrade [17:10] ok, I guess that makes it a verification-failed, good that I asked you to test [17:10] let me comment [17:11] can you comment on the mp saying that? [17:11] thanks [17:14] done [17:19] Laney, I guess your left monitor is smaller resolution? [17:19] ya [17:20] 900 vs 1050 vertical [17:20] I can confirm that [17:20] the bubbles are missing on smaller resolution screen (or shifted to the top, if I change my 1920 for 1680 I can still see the bubble but it's getting a bit offscreen) [17:21] a diff that simple has to be too good to be true ;-) [17:21] hehe === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [17:55] darkxst, commented on your wikipage, I think you should update the "Previous Endorsements" to specify for what the endorsements were, it's a bit misleading, it looks like they are recommendation for MOTU/GNOME set where they are not [18:04] pub time! [18:04] happy weekend everyone :-) [18:06] Laney, thanks have fun at the pub and a good w.e! [19:13] i want to create a games folder on my desktop [19:13] i have one there now. and put my steam install and 2 playonlinux shortcuts there [19:13] but i cannot figure out how to put other shortcuts into the desktop === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away