[00:31] can you retweet a tweet @ someone who doesn't follow you? [00:33] yes [00:33] you can retweet anything so long as you can see it and the person doesn't have their stream private [00:33] but when i click retweet it doesn't let me edit it... i'm too old for this stuff [00:34] i'll just email them the link. lol [00:36] hah === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:51] Anyone here? [01:12] yes [06:46] morning all [07:08] morning MooDoo [07:09] knightwise: hello :) it's friday :) [07:15] I kneuw :) [07:16] I'm having soundconverter have a crack at some of the flac files I found online [07:16] * knightwise has a day off today [07:16] now I need to drag .epub files out of a recursive file directory structure into one folder [07:17] still looking how to do that [07:17] find -r *.epub /sourcedirs/ | mv /targetdir/ [07:17] probably not .. right ? [07:19] * MooDoo shrugs...sorry [07:22] knightwise: find /path/to/epub/parent *.epub -exec mv '{}' /target/epub/dir \; [07:35] hey diddledan__ :) thanx ! :) [07:35] found it in the meantime :) [07:36] I have to go through quite a bit of folders :) Been playing with Wget and some google "intitle" searches :) [07:40] morning [07:40] hey mapps [07:40] morning morning [07:41] knightwise: hence the 'find' which moves it for you [07:41] \o * [07:41] Morning one and all :-D [07:42] morning guys :) [07:42] so uh i was logged into my machine using ajaxterm through apache webserver on https:// had a problem with apache..did /etc/init.d/apachectl stop.. and uh oh why cant i do anything [07:42] d'oh i was using ajaxterm through the webserver:D [07:45] Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Belly Laugh Day! :-D [07:51] morning [07:51] hey, new Java. [07:52] my trusty(!) virtual machine had gotten a booboo during the week I wasn't showing it TLC :-( [07:52] Myrtti: what happened? [07:52] no idea, it wouldn't boot [07:52] quicker to reinstall the whole thing and start over than to dig deeper [07:53] aww [07:53] I'm not experienced enough with the problems they have to waste time on problem solving [07:53] Myrtti: does it show any messages? would it be bugreport-worthy? [07:54] doubt it, it's more likely to be a PEBKAC than anything else [07:55] pebkac? [07:56] mapps: problem exists betweek keyboard and chaird. aka "user error" [07:56] ahh course [07:56] thx [07:56] PEBKAC tends to be the primary source of errors for me [07:56] diddledan__: get a bean bag instead [07:56] lol [07:56] I need a big ball [07:57] that way I'll improve my posture at the same time [07:57] ls [07:57] oops wrong window [07:57] knightwise: I agree [07:59] lol [07:59] treadmill desk is the future [07:59] :D [07:59] office chaire=silent killer!! [07:59] mapps: http://goo.gl/alp3eT [08:07] lol MartijnVdS [08:11] you mean working sitting crosslegged in a onesie on your bed isn't good? [08:11] damn. [08:12] Myrtti: onsesies ftw [08:13] Morning all [08:21] I just went the longjohns route this morning [08:21] so I'm nice and warm :D [08:22] Morning [08:38] I got my wife a onesie for Xmas - she thinks it's great. It's purple with dots. Makes her look like a big baby :-) [08:41] doesnt everyone look like a big baby in them? They dont appeal to me at all:) [09:01] but they're nice and warm! [09:03] Yeah, great for using in the winter, in the house. [09:03] Never to be seen by other people :-P [09:05] nggggg [09:06] I wouldn't be surprised if I saw people in their onesies popping down to the corner shop, or whatever [09:06] because for some people laziness trumps decency [09:08] i've seen people in onesies in the town centre [09:08] also 25% packet loss wtf [09:08] i saw someone in a onesie in the co-op recently [09:08] she was buying chocolate [09:08] pretty sure we knew what was going on there [09:09] My missus won't go out in hers. But should think it's common in Banbury and Farnborough ;-) [09:09] TheOpenSourcerer: that article you retweeted mentions my employer (zaaksysteem.nl) :) [09:09] :-D [09:09] my missus won't wear hers [09:09] https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/oss-use-dutch-town-lowers-it-cost-24-vs-peers [09:09] yeah, that one :) [09:09] so sophie stole it, and it's massively too big for her [09:10] https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--BXYQ48p1IA/UtRU_1ScPiI/AAAAAAAAjO8/qC5Omxq3wGk/w677-h903-no/IMG_2690.JPG [09:10] has to hitch it up [09:11] ha ha [09:16] Good morning peeps :) [09:16] Gosh, Sophie is getting tall [09:17] I shall one day get a onsie [09:17] popey: the photo behind her head, there appears to be more people than your unit of 4? [09:17] maybe on the way home tonight because it's payday [09:18] SuperMatt: amazon [09:18] SuperMatt: Rackspace are paying you already? [09:18] SuperMatt: i've seen people in their pyjamas in coop too [09:19] foobarry: The Dude? [09:19] and slippers. buying superkings for their toddlers [09:19] bigcalm: yes, fortunately [09:19] and my last job's pay came in too [09:19] a little too much in fact [09:19] they called me yesterday in a panic because they over paid me [09:20] bigcalm: sister, her kids [09:20] Ah, okay [09:21] they want me to send the money back, but haven't actually sent the bacs details \o/ [09:22] ubuntu one app stopped uploading pictures :S [09:23] eek [09:24] * Laney snuggles directhex [09:26] Laney: stop that canoodling - you're making us jealous :-p [09:26] there's room in this spoon for three [09:26] NO MORE THOUGH [09:26] * knightwise thinks MartijnVdS deserves a hugg too because now my ubuntu machine runs like a charm :) [09:26] Laney: you weren't in Prague at the UDS were you? :) [09:27] no [09:27] anyone of you guys coming to fossdem ? [09:27] the dholbach hug? [09:27] yes [09:27] Laney: yeah that one :) [09:27] knightwise: maybe [09:27] same here. If there are gonna be some peeps around that I know I might go too [09:28] or i'll just go do do some interviews for HPR or the Knightwise.com podcast [09:29] my first UDS was the one in "Brussels" [09:30] Laney: was there a room named that? [09:30] Laney: where was that? [09:30] not sure, a magical coach took us there [09:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M [09:31] Laney: ah, no, the real city of brussels. Didn't go there [09:31] got to see sabdfl walking around in his towel & slippers [09:31] you had to cross the lobby to get to the gym & sauna from the rooms [09:31] weird [09:31] the photo is the same as the one on the UDS-L page [09:33] UDS-Jaunty was my last :| [09:33] you're old skool [09:33] PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [09:33] 1710 root 20 0 4389528 3.642g 389388 S 21.5 23.4 187:02.22 Xorg [09:33] wheeee [09:34] was 2.3 G yesterday [09:34] Laney: my first was "The Mataro Sessions", https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MataroConference [09:36] huh [09:36] hadn't heard of that one [09:36] Laney: the very first one, just after 4.10 came out [09:36] did you work for canonical? [09:37] back in those idealistic days of yore [09:37] shipping the "best GNOME desktop" [09:37] No, I didn't.. just a community member :) [09:38] ah old names in the changelog for that wiki page [09:38] that sladen [09:40] Laney: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=31717518@N02&q=mataro [09:40] recognise ALL the people! 8-) [09:42] (and ancient launchpad) [09:54] Morning all [09:58] good morning everyone. [09:58] \o brobostigon [09:59] morning MartijnVdS [09:59] Morning davmor2 [10:00] no more workfare/mwa untill wednesday now, makes me happy, my back and hip hurt. [10:00] davmor2: battery notification is displayed once I resume from a suspend. But not from a cold boot. [10:10] 20 0 282m 116m 12m S 1 1.5 232:23.14 Xorg [10:10] up 51 days, 17:27, [10:10] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25840502 [10:11] FASTESTEST EVAR [10:11] In all of space and time! [10:11] :-) [10:11] bigcalm: file a bug :) [10:13] "It allows them to increase their capacity without having to spend much more money." [10:13] Bet we'll see increase in prices though... [10:13] YaManicKill: also, transceivers aren't cheap [10:13] for fibre [10:13] Yeah [10:15] I've got a gigabit-capable sfp port on my router - I want BT to install FTTP so that I can get superspeed [10:15] 40 Mbps just doesn't cut it [10:15] I have a gigabit media converter in my house (and fibre going into it) [10:15] but the other end is only 100mbit :( [10:16] hance I only have 100/100 at home [10:16] hence8 [10:16] * [10:17] I just want decent speed wifi. Need to save up my pennies and get a decent router. I'm on 76Mb/s internet, but with the router that they provided me with, I'm getting max of 4MB/s [10:18] wifi is never as fast as advertised [10:18] * popey hands YaManicKill an ethernet cable [10:19] popey: Oh, where do I plug that into my phone? [10:19] android phone? [10:19] MartijnVdS: I know, but 4Mb/s is crap [10:19] popey: of course [10:19] do any androids support usb-ethernet adapters? [10:19] yeah, usb ethernet ☻ [10:19] apple ones are best ㋛ [10:19] Oh for crying out loud. [10:19] why is your wifi so slow? [10:20] What about my tablet? It doesn't support otg [10:20] bummer [10:20] popey: because it's a crappy router that plusnet gave me. [10:20] ah, shame [10:20] plusnet -_- [10:20] cheap as chips [10:20] i had the same with my vm box so bought a netgear and slapped dd-wrt on it [10:20] but not as tasty [10:21] Aye, I'm just trying to prioritise money just now. Just bought a house, you see :-P [10:21] s/bought a house/about to buy a house/ [10:24] sounds like the best time to invest in a proper router ;) [10:25] Yep, but just need to convince the wife we need a proper decent one. [10:25] s/proper decent/wifi ac/ [10:27] Constantly getting "Error: bad minute" from crontab. Are there rules for how comments should be constructed? [10:27] # this is a comment [10:27] make sure # is at the start of the line [10:28] Yep, that's the case [10:28] bad minute could indicate someone used a minute > 59 [10:29] I replaced all of the blank lines with # # and now it works [10:29] ha [10:29] Since when does crontab not like blank lines? [10:29] bigcalm: then they weren't really blank. Did they contain spaces? [10:29] when there's special characters [10:29] bigcalm: also.. DOS line endings maybe? :) [10:31] Ahhhh, the line endings could be the issue! [10:32] bigcalm: so.. do you want authorization to hurt the author? :) [10:34] MartijnVdS: chance would be a fine thing [10:34] ^M everywhere === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:37] who invented those horrible things anyway [10:46] bigcalm: I never add blank lines to crontab. I just type in the comment and then the command next line is the next comment. [10:55] Taken from a website somewhere: Crontab delimits jobs with line breaks (newlines). Each job occupies one line. Therefore, if crontab sees anything other than an integer in the first column of a line, it throws the “bad minute” error, since the minute argument is the first one crontab encounters. [10:56] well that's wrong [10:56] you can have comments in cron [10:56] i remember getting emails from crontab in the past [10:56] Comments are ignored [10:56] "there are blank lines in your corontab" [10:56] Yes. But they are newlines which don't start with integers. [10:56] the cron I know can handle that fine [10:56] Would be nice if crontab would ignore blank lines as well [10:57] Easy fix though... just have a blank comment line [10:57] # [10:57] Sorted :-) [10:57] This is the default cron in 12.04 [10:57] Or a long comment line: 0 * * * * /bin/true [10:57] YaManicKill: just done that, looks horrible [10:58] bigcalm: better than nothing [10:58] True [10:58] bigcalm: how does a default 12.04 crontab end up with dos line endings [10:58] I know, the deployment script can remove blank lines from the file before it copies to the destination [10:58] MartijnVdS: line endings are no longer the issue [10:59] bigcalm: Blank lines in crontab are fine in Ubuntu's cron [10:59] you're aware /etc/cron.d/* crontabs use a different format? [10:59] with the username to run as between the time and the command [10:59] man 5 crontab, too [11:00] that manual claims: [11:00] MartijnVdS: yes [11:00] Blank lines and leading spaces and tabs are ignored. Lines whose first [11:00] non-space character is a hash-sign (#) are comments, and are ignored. [11:00] Yep, it's the line endings then. This is nuts [11:00] My IDE should be saving everything with \n [11:01] The line ending, on a blank line, is also the line beginning. [11:01] Dave2: ^$ [11:10] 674234368 bytes (674 MB) copied, 329.015 s, 2.0 MB/s [11:10] copying to a usb stick..2MB/s :-| [11:16] anyone have any recommended dedicated server providers? not too fussed where it is, currently using a ~£25/mo OVH box but its a bit tired :( [11:18] how can i boot a mac mini from usb if the windows key isn't recognised on the keyboard? [11:23] answer:burn a cd [11:31] Is there a cli util to convert line endings to \n for a given file/files? [11:31] bigcalm: "fromdos" [11:31] you can also use sed but that takes work to figure out :) [11:31] Doesn't appear to be installed by default, but okay [11:31] sudo apt-get install tofrodos [11:34] Ta [11:51] to frodos! [11:51] isn't that what the hobbits say? [11:55] MartijnVdS: tofrodos for breakfast [12:00] Greedy [12:07] * popey considers lunch [12:07] davmor2: as in "I'll have two frodos for breakfast" [12:11] MartijnVdS: that's just gluttony [12:11] davmor2: ok, maybe I'll save one for second breakfast then [12:12] MartijnVdS: haha [12:14] hmm booting linux on a mac seems overly complex [12:15] foobarry: they're made to run macos after all [12:16] how dare they === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:23] http://comparemyradio.com/compare/BBC_Radio_2/BBC_Radio_1 [12:23] neat [12:25] Why can't I compare Radio 4 ;-) [12:25] why can't I compare Dutch radio stations ;) [12:30] hehe, just booted a viglen mpc-l, its running lucid [12:31] anyone want to take a guess when it was last booted? (it's fscking now) - will check the log when it's done [12:31] 2011-04-23 [12:32] 24/01/2010 [12:38] 70% [12:40] popey: 2011-01-28 [12:41] popey: that would give you a month or two before you got bored :) [12:43] still says 70% and no disk activity ⍨ [12:46] Have MS actually bought Nokia's mobile phone business, just a bit confused as to why Nokia would bring out an Android phone (even if it is supposed to be skinned to look like Windows mobile) if they're owned my MS [12:47] DJones: maybe they had that on the drawing board already before MS bought them [12:47] diddledan__: Yeah, thats what I'm guessing/reading [12:47] Myrtti is our resident expert on these things [12:47] huh [12:47] what [12:47] where [12:48] nokia stuffs [12:48] Nokia wasn't sold [12:48] * foobarry is dipping his BLT sandwich into carrot and coriander soup..yum [12:48] and Nokia isn't owned by MS [12:48] yet [12:49] Myrtti: afaik the phone business was [12:49] MartijnVdS: MS has no reason to buy the rest of the company [12:49] and it's doubtful it would be sold [12:49] diddledan__: As I read it, the deal hasn't been completed yet for the phone business yet [12:50] Myrtti: "nokia" isn't allowed to operate in a competitive field for 2 years last I heard of the "deal" [12:50] 71%! [12:51] yes, but it's also probable that the Android development started before the purchase plans were published [12:51] so the fact they've done something like that isn't surprising at all [12:52] indeed, that would be my guess [12:53] Following the sale, Nokia will focus on three core business units; its Here mapping service (which Microsoft will license for four years under the deal), its infrastructure division Nokia Solutions and Networks (NSN), and on developing and licensing its "advanced technologies". [12:54] so whatever that R&D on 'advanced technologies' is... [12:57] nanoprobes [13:00] bacon [13:00] nano bacon? [13:01] robo bacon? [13:01] that's end of the world tech that [13:02] guys you need maxo bacon not nano you'd hardly taste it else :D [13:02] speaking of robots. there's a straight-to-dvd movie I wanna watch - it's got both robots AND zombies! [13:02] can't remember the title tho [13:03] here 'tis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XMsC1KiRaQ [13:05] 72% - man this is taking ages [13:05] popey: still fscking? [13:05] ya [13:06] disk blink very sporadically [13:07] How much of the HDD did you use in it? [13:08] I still have 2 doing nothing. No idea what to do with them [13:08] Anybody want 2 door stops? [13:10] i think it was 80G [13:11] I'm giving mine to @andysc because his died [13:11] bigcalm: If a relative was still alive, I'd tell her to ask you for a door stop, she used to use a 2" WW2 shell as a door stop [13:11] forgot how quiet these are [13:13] No fan iirc [13:13] But a really REALLY bright blue LED on front [13:13] Which lights up a whole room, stopping one from sleeping. Tape to the rescue [13:14] solder and a regular diode :) [13:15] I'm thinking of getting a JBC362 [13:15] fanless, dual gigabit ethernet === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:19] GMA500 graphics though.. but I'm not going to use that anyway [13:20] 74! [13:20] yeah, that LED is a bit bright [13:20] popey: wow, it's getting faster [13:29] popey: isn't the first 50% finding out is there is issue and the final 50% fixing them :) [13:32] 75 [13:33] popey - is it your btrfs partition? [13:33] no [13:33] a viglen [13:33] JGJones: no on lucid :)# [13:36] ah. Should get a Granny™ to do it. They're very patient. (Was told by a friend upgrading a PC for his gran recently. 256MB. And she was using Vista. No it's not slow for her). [13:52] popey: has it hit 80% yet? [13:53] 77 [13:53] what's it *doing* [13:55] well indeed [13:55] i just see a plymouth(?) screen and a checking thing [14:01] wooo, dkim set up on my server [14:02] OH GOD NOT THE ARCHERS [14:08] someone put me out of my misery [14:09] can you alphabetical sort stuff on lo or google docs [14:09] or is it staring me in the face [14:11] czajkowski: yes [14:13] yes it's starting at me where...... [14:13] What, exactly, do you want to sort? [14:13] a list of cities [14:13] *cities [14:13] In a spreadsheet? [14:14] nope in a plai document [14:14] czajkowski: sort list_of_cities.txt [14:14] I was going to use a spreadsheet but if I copy that into the document it copies the table and I don't need the table [14:14] czajkowski: sort list_of_cities.txt > sorted_list_of_cities.txt (don't use the same filename twice!) [14:14] czajkowski: can't you shift+paste ("Paste Special" -> text only) [14:15] hmmmm [14:15] that may work [14:15] seems to be a fairly simple thing to want to do in a document but missing from LO and Google docs [14:16] add it as a feature request [14:16] You can do this in spreadsheet - not sure about in a writer or doc... [14:17] also, it would work if you used LaTeX source and vim ;) [14:18] MartijnVdS: bah [14:18] bashrc: indeed [14:18] why not just C&P into something that you can sort then C&P back? [14:18] thats what I'd do [14:19] true I guess [14:19] just baffling that it's missing === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:20] 80 [14:20] 65 [14:20] 12 [14:20] 42 [14:21] Mornington Crescent [14:21] czajkowski: don't forget that documents are dumb. The cleverness comes from what you do with it. Like running sort etc [14:21] gah! [14:21] 8 [14:21] Mornington Crescent! [14:21] that's numberwang! [14:21] too slow man [14:21] I've already won [14:21] I had it ready [14:22] but got sidetracked by a though about Ajax. [14:22] s/thought [14:26] right sorted it [14:26] into spreadsheet and sort it [14:26] thanks folks [14:29] huzzah! [14:36] 82 ☹ [14:36] what game are we playing [14:36] 4 - the hours left in todays work day :) [14:37] percentage fscked of my viglen I booted up after an unknown period of time [14:38] why so slow? [14:38] i had sparc 10's fsck quicker than that [14:38] no idea [14:39]