[00:03]  * Noskcaj has decided to spend the day backporting stuff, has little else to do
[00:53] <bluesabre> slickymaster: most digital cameras do not work as webcams
[00:53] <bluesabre> see if it is recognized by cheese
[01:01] <Noskcaj> Anyone want to confirm bug 1272123 ?
[01:03] <micahg> Noskcaj: you can do the tests as well
[01:04] <Noskcaj> micahg, My pc isn't powerful enough to run a VM
[01:04] <micahg> ok
[01:04] <Noskcaj> Stupid fastway couriers
[01:17] <bluesabre> micahg: are you still around?
[01:18] <bluesabre> I have these three merge requests that have been ready for a little while, do you think you could merge these?
[01:18] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/b2_fixes
[01:18] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.trusty_add-light-locker
[01:18] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/keyboard-shortcuts
[01:18] <bluesabre> the first may be a bit outdated, it was originally for 13.10
[01:19] <Unit193> Still valid.
[01:19] <bluesabre> if you need me to do anything to bring them up to speed, please let me know
[01:20] <bluesabre> I'm about to go have dinner, but I'll be back in a bit
[01:39] <micahg> bluesabre: yeah, I'm not sure I have time tonight, but will try to get to them soon
[02:08] <bluesabre> thanks micahg
[02:09] <bluesabre> btw, how are you doing, haven't seen you in a while :)
[02:09] <micahg> overloaded
[02:10] <Unit193> :/
[02:10] <Unit193> All work?
[02:11] <micahg> no
[02:14] <Unit193> Anything we can help with then?
[02:16] <micahg> nope, thanks anyways :0
[02:16] <micahg> :)
[02:18] <Unit193> I'm sure my submitting a proposal didn't help.  Sure.
[02:19] <Unit193> While you're here, if you have a sec that is, can you voice your opinion on the meeting item of having more people able to commit to the branches?
[02:55] <micahg> I think that's a good goal
[03:29] <damiank> hi
[03:31] <Unit193> damiank: Howdy.
[03:36] <damiank> just fine, trying to download today daily iso
[03:37] <damiank> but it seems my ISP dont want me to download it ;)
[03:39] <Unit193> Hrm, what's the error/problem?
[03:40] <damiank> im not sure, it wont start. But it worked 2 days ago. So probably its my ISP today
[03:41] <damiank> i'll try tomorrow
[03:42] <Unit193> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha-2/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[03:42] <Unit193> >140KB/s for me. :/
[03:43] <damiank> yeah its my isp
[03:43] <damiank> dont worry
[03:43] <damiank> i'll try later or tomorrow
[03:43] <damiank> the strange thing is that internet actually works
[03:44] <damiank> just ubuntu.com seems to have stopped
[03:44] <Unit193> Entirely?  Just slow here.
[03:44] <damiank> no
[03:44] <damiank> cdimage
[03:44] <damiank> i have a daily downloaded on tuesday
[03:44] <damiank> that worked great
[03:45] <Unit193> Oh, so when you download it tomorrow, just use zsync and you're great.
[03:45] <damiank> i'll test
[03:45] <damiank> im testing on virtualbox under xubuntu 12.04 that i have on this pc
[03:46] <damiank> deciding if updating or not ;)
[03:47] <damiank> i guess its better to wait for final before using it outside of virtualbox
[03:51] <Unit193> Depends, how critical is it?
[03:52] <damiank> i work on this pc.. so may be a bit critical. Actually i do most of my work on gvim or st2 coding php, so if editor works not much problem.. but..
[03:53] <Unit193> Well, several have been running with no issues.  Some polish isn't on, and not all packages we'll need have been uploaded, but still.
[03:54] <damiank> well i have a very simple setup here
[03:54] <damiank> just what came on the 12.04 cd and the editors
[03:54] <damiank> so i dont care too much of packages, just that the xfce works and gvim works should be ok :)
[03:55] <Unit193> Well if I were you then, I'd likely go for it. :P
[03:55] <damiank> i tried on virtualbox and seems to work great
[03:55] <damiank> but one thing is vb, and other the real thing with drivers like ralink cards, etc
[03:56] <Unit193> Oh, something you *can* do to test it on your hardware (the lazy way) install grml-rescueboot from the repo and drop the iso in /boot/grml and update-grub.
[03:56] <damiank> i'll test that this weekend
[04:13] <damiank> hi brainwash
[04:21]  * Unit193 likes apt-listchanges
[04:22]  * Noskcaj does not
[04:23] <Noskcaj> takes ages to download changelogs, then another button to hit on the daily upgrade
[04:24] <damiank> i have to go bye!!
[04:26] <Unit193> ...So don't install it? 0_o
[04:36] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I uninstalled it, just saying i don't like it
[04:43] <Unit193> Only time it's a "problem", is release upgrades, and a simple kill will fix any annoyance.
[04:48] <ecomp97> Just started testing Alpha 2.  Looks nice so far.  With regards to  bug #1261203 (Abiword "missing" ruler), I notice that opening any dialog restores the top  ruler.
[04:52] <ecomp97> However, any attempt at text entry results in the ruler vanishing once again.
[04:55] <Unit193> ochosi: https://unit193.net/indicator-weirdness.png
[04:56] <ecomp97> Abiword's about dialogue is also missing the abiword icon.  It just shows the placeholder black rectangle missing icon.
[05:32] <ecomp97> Found strange behavior in Parole's volume slider.  If I drag the volume above the slider it will jump down and resume the increase from that point.
[05:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: ^?
[05:33] <Unit193> Might have a VM with parole.
[05:41] <Unit193> ecomp97: Just jumps to the bottom for me.
[05:44] <ecomp97> When it jumps for me, it will go the bottom or close to depending on the window size.  Starting a length equal to the slider's length from the window title it would then increase.
[05:58] <ecomp97> I'll be sure to run Xubuntu through some more rigorous testing later.
[08:22] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, An email i just got that may interest you. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6807255/
[08:23] <Noskcaj> menulibre related
[08:52] <knome> elfy, 
[08:52] <knome>  [knome] Follow up with elfy on the QA articles for Xubuntu.org: TODO
[08:52] <knome> elfy, did you need anything more from me?
[08:53] <knome> elfy, while you basically have the publishing rights now, i don't think it's bad idea ever to ask somebody else to proof-read
[08:53] <knome> elfy, but other than that... i don't think there's much to follow up unless you had some questions
[09:59] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:05] <elfy> knome: no - no real questions - though I suspect you'll have seen that I POSTPONED it :)
[10:05] <elfy> and yea - I'd get stuff proofread first regardless of being able to publish or not 
[10:05] <elfy> hi slickymaster 
[10:06] <slickymaster> hey elfy, knome 
[10:06] <slickymaster> good morning
[10:08] <slickymaster> knome: following what I've asked you yesterday at the meeting, let me tell you that the http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs documentation that jjfrv8 and I made for http://docs.xfce.org/ is up to date
[10:08] <slickymaster> so I think it can be reused in Trusty
[10:22] <slickymaster> bluesabre: you around?
[10:28] <elfy> why did I say mugshot was ready for us to test yesterday :|
[10:29] <elfy> sigh
[10:36] <slickymaster> well, the stable PPA can be tested elfy 
[10:37] <elfy> sorry - we're not doing real testing from ppa's - once it is properly released then we can call for it
[10:38] <slickymaster> oh, did't realize you where talking abou -qa tes
[10:38] <slickymaster> tests ^^
[10:38] <elfy> yep
[10:38] <elfy> hence the constant whine from me to not leave things too late :p
[10:38] <brainwash> Unit193: indicator weirdness?
[10:39] <brainwash> Unit193: the indicator area might turn transparent occasionally, if your panel is set to be 100% opaque
[10:41] <brainwash> and it only seems to do it when used in trusty (gtk 3.10)
[10:42] <elfy> slickymaster: same with the indicators - generally the new stuff isn't any worse than the new
[10:43] <slickymaster> yeah, I know what you mean
[10:43] <elfy> 12 weeks to release
[10:43] <elfy> really needs to be there for the b1 release
[10:44] <slickymaster> and counting... down
[10:44] <elfy> anyway - I'm sure everyone's bored of me by now lol
[10:44] <brainwash> the gtk3 indicator stuff gets constantly improved, but we got almost no tester/feedback for them
[10:45] <elfy> I've fed back what I've seen 
[10:45] <elfy> and if we wait for people to do that then we just as well take it off the roadmap
[10:45] <brainwash> something like should be made available for a large group of testers
[10:46] <elfy> everyone who get's testing calls - got the information about this
[10:46] <brainwash> not everyone likes to install PPAs :)
[10:47] <elfy> I know 
[10:47] <brainwash> and apply some workarounds
[10:47] <brainwash> it's still a mess
[10:47] <elfy> and releasing 13.10 with a broken sound indicator wasn't ?
[10:48] <brainwash> and semi broken power manager
[10:48] <brainwash> but now we are talking about a LTS release
[10:48] <brainwash> people believe that LTS means stable and almost bug free
[10:49] <elfy> yep - anyway - I'm not going to have anything to do with them now till it's out of ppa's
[10:49] <elfy> brainwash: well that's because people decided what LTS meant - instead of looking to see what it actually stands for
[10:49] <brainwash> how could we speed up the progress of including them?
[10:50] <elfy> no idea - not anything I can do - so I'll do as I said ^^
[10:50] <brainwash> alright, I'll focus on other things in the meantime
[10:50] <elfy> not that I'm blaming anyone of course - if we had hundreds of people doing things it would be a different kettle of fish :)
[10:53] <brainwash> elfy: can you confirm bug 1272057 ?
[10:53] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1271914
[10:54] <brainwash> elfy: this usually happens if you boot into live mode and open the desktop settings dialog to change some things
[10:54] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: i think the wallpaper-vote-meeting will be hard to make for me, would you be fine with rescheduling that to next week? (any weekday apart from monday would work for me in the evenings, all days should be fine during the day)
[10:55] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: I've nearly finished the fix for that bug
[10:55] <bluesabre> so there will be a 2.0.1 this weekend
[10:56] <elfy> brainwash: does that occur with the a2 image?
[10:56] <slickymaster> bluesabre: I'm now using a Creative webcam but I'm still getting stuck with the same issue in Mugshot
[10:56] <bluesabre> slickymaster: does it work in cheese?
[10:56] <brainwash> elfy: probably
[10:57] <slickymaster> haven't tried it yet. Going to install it to check it out bluesabre 
[10:57] <bluesabre> thanks slickymaster
[10:57] <bluesabre> we're depending on gstreamer, which we all know is never perfect
[10:57] <elfy> brainwash: confirmed and commented
[11:00] <brainwash> elfy: thanks
[11:02] <brainwash> elfy: I assume that 36px is the preferred size, 32 appears to be a bit too small + the icon labels get truncated even more
[11:02] <elfy> welcome :)
[11:02] <ochosi> brainwash: then why not bump it to 48px, which is again a "real" size?
[11:02] <elfy> no idea - first thing I do is turn off everything that shows on the desktop :)
[11:03] <ochosi> brainwash: ideally thunar-default-icon-size (iconview) == xfdesktop-default-icon-size
[11:04] <brainwash> ochosi: 48 is huge, on top of that, xfdesktop4 4.11 has a problem with icon scaling
[11:04] <brainwash> try changing the size from 32 -> 33
[11:05] <ochosi> that's not xfdesktop's issue
[11:05] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, so what is the desired desktop icon size then?
[11:05] <ochosi> or: not strictly
[11:05] <bluesabre> does the latest xfdesktop have the code merged from thunar, or is that still in a separate branch?
[11:05] <ochosi> that's a problem with us having a png icon-theme
[11:06] <ochosi> thunar offers fixed icon-sizes, so you can only set it to sizes which we have in our icon theme
[11:06] <ochosi> being able to freely select the size has its problems
[11:06] <ochosi> brainwash: so... keeping ^ in mind, either use 16,22,24,32,48 or 64
[11:07] <ochosi> this is with 36, fwiw: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01242014-120710pm.php
[11:07] <brainwash> 32 too small, 48 too big :(
[11:07] <ochosi> it's the same in thunar
[11:07] <brainwash> yes, home + trash folder are set to 48px
[11:08] <ochosi> no, those are png icons from our theme
[11:08] <ochosi> the other two aren't from our theme
[11:08] <ochosi> we don't ship a g+ icon
[11:08] <ochosi> so it's set to "scalable"
[11:08] <ochosi> ours aren't, so it just jumps to the next size
[11:08] <brainwash> yes, exactly
[11:08] <slickymaster> bluesabre: \o/ finally
[11:09] <bluesabre> slickymaster: did cheese pull another required gstreamer depends?
[11:09] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1271891
[11:09] <slickymaster> bluesabre: lots of them 
[11:10] <bluesabre> if you wouldn't mind, could you figure out what the magic combination of those happens to be?
[11:10] <slickymaster> I will try it 
[11:10] <ochosi> brainwash: feel free to add a comment explaining what happens, there is currently no sane way in which we can fix this (other than setting a sane default)
[11:10] <bluesabre> thanks
[11:11] <brainwash> ochosi: so we set the icon size to 32 by default then?
[11:12] <brainwash> otherwise it will be 36 if it isn't defined anywhere and change to 32 after opening the desktop settings dialog
[11:13] <elfy> bluesabre: I'll go look in my other proper install at mugshot - pretty sure I've not got a bunch of gstreamer stuff preinstalled there
[11:13] <bluesabre> thanks elfy
[11:14] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, i think 32 is fine
[11:15] <brainwash> ok
[11:15] <brainwash> but this limitation is so ugly
[11:16] <brainwash> 32 or 48-ish
[11:16] <bluesabre> good to know that the official python documentation for gtk3 is also wrong :/
[11:19] <ochosi> brainwash: whining about it doesn't change it though
[11:20] <brainwash> a bug report could
[11:20] <ochosi> no, investigating a solution could
[11:21] <brainwash> scaling of png icons?
[11:21] <ochosi> i personally don't mind the size of desktop-icons, so i have practically 0 incentive to investigate this
[11:22] <ochosi> you can try and look into gnome-icon-theme's index.theme, they set scaling boundaries for their icons. but iirc they're all svgs, so it probably won't help us
[11:22] <ochosi> but yeah, having fixed sizes is one of the downsides (and upsides) of png
[11:25] <brainwash> ok, but aren't all the icons originally saved as svgs?
[11:25] <brainwash> and then exported
[11:26] <slickymaster> bluesabre: the output of tail -150 /var/log/apt/term.log is available for you at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6807866/
[11:28] <slickymaster> brainwash: bottom line is I reinstalled Mugshot, having previously installed gstreamer1.0-tools, and after mugshot installed cheese
[11:28] <slickymaster> once again :P sorry brainwash was meant for bluesabre 
[11:28] <brainwash> bl<tab>
[11:28] <brainwash> :P
[11:28] <elfy> ok - with -stable I got the trusty not working, with -daily I installed mugshot, no camera, installed gstreamer tools and it worked ok
[11:28]  * slickymaster curses tab autocompletion
[11:28] <elfy> that's with a logitech c270
[11:29] <slickymaster> elfy: finally solved it
[11:29] <elfy> cool
[11:30] <slickymaster> elfy: with a Creative VF0050
[11:31] <elfy> I had some MS thing a while back, should have known better ... 
[11:32] <slickymaster> bluesabre: it would be great if you figure out what could be causing it in order to add same kind of warning to the documentation
[11:32] <slickymaster> could have been ^^^
[11:33] <bluesabre> slickymaster: I think tools was one of the first things I suggested, but I'll add that to recommends on the package
[11:35] <slickymaster> bluesabre: anyway I think I should add a <note warning> in the documentation, what do you think?
[11:35] <bluesabre> slickymaster: please do
[11:35] <slickymaster> ok, thanks for the help
[11:41] <knome> elfy, ok, good
[11:41] <knome> slickymaster, ta
[11:41] <knome> ochosi, works for me, but we'll have to wait for pleia2's ack
[11:45] <brainwash> ochosi: I'll wait for more feedback regarding the default desktop icons size, 32px vs ~48px
[11:46] <brainwash> thunar uses 48 and 32 appears so damn small
[11:50] <brainwash> 3rd option is to set it 36 (initial icon size when the user boots into live mode or creates a new account)
[11:51] <knome> where's skellat again
[11:52] <elfy> knome: physically>
[11:52] <elfy> ?
[11:52] <knome> if you think that information helps me get ahold of him, yeah :P
[11:53] <elfy> lol
[11:53] <elfy> ohio :)
[11:53] <elfy> apaprt from that I think he's got mad work issues
[11:59] <bluesabre> knome: he's accessibile on g+
[11:59] <bluesabre> but he's been traveling a lot it seems
[11:59] <knome> would need him on irc, or bluesabre :P
[12:00] <bluesabre> :)
[12:00] <knome> need to look at the 12.04 docs sru packaging
[12:00] <knome> something is broken
[12:00] <bluesabre> ah
[12:00] <knome> i'm just installing 12.04 to be able to poke at things
[12:00] <ochosi> brainwash: no, 36 is not an option, cause as you've seen, some icons will be 48px anyway then
[12:00] <knome> looks like some image files are missing, some aren't updated and for some reason, some css files are either not updated or can't be read or sth
[12:00] <ochosi> knome: sure, thanks
[12:01] <ochosi> brainwash: the real "bug" there atm is that the file-system icons don't exist in our icon-theme seemingly, and get inherited or something
[12:03] <brainwash> ochosi: I understand, 36 -> no, 32 -> rather small, 48 ok?
[12:04] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, i guess the only problem you could have with 48 is that the grid is bigger than thunars
[12:04] <ochosi> thuna's
[12:04] <ochosi> thunar's
[12:05] <ochosi> bbl
[12:06] <brainwash> so lets wait for a final decision, maybe we can get some xfdesktop tweaks/changes beforehand
[12:07] <knome> bluesabre, for some reason, sudo apt-get source xubuntu-docs gets me 11.10.0...
[12:08] <bluesabre> weird
[12:08] <bluesabre> apt-cache policy xubuntu-docs
[12:09] <knome> installed: 12.04.0
[12:09] <bluesabre> Unit193?
[12:10] <knome> packages.ubuntu.com says 11.10.0
[12:10] <knome> but it can't show from -proposed
[12:11] <knome> maybe apt-get source can't get from proposed either
[12:11] <knome> bah
[12:11] <knome> i can confirm that i am using the 12.04.0 package though, since the startpage says 12.04
[12:14] <knome> aha, manually adding sources for -proposed works
[12:14] <knome> but with that, i can confirm the package is faulty
[12:17] <bluesabre> send a msg to the ML pinging skellat, then I'll poke him on g+
[12:21] <knome> bluesabre, what was your debdiff skill level again?
[12:22] <knome> want to polish them?
[12:22] <bluesabre> good enough, know what change I need to make?
[12:22] <bluesabre> uh oh
[12:22] <knome> hehe
[12:22] <knome> debdiff for the docs
[12:22] <bluesabre> wife awake, I might not be at this computer any longer in a few secs
[12:22] <knome> lp:xubuntu-docs/precise is what we want
[12:23] <knome> can diff against the 11.10.0 or 12.04.0 package
[12:23] <bluesabre> probably
[12:24] <knome> well i'm at this point:14:20  seb128: knome, ok, well, if you get a non buggy debdiff feel free to ping me and I can sponsor that one
[12:24] <knome> so as soon as we have that...
[12:24] <bluesabre> ok
[12:25] <bluesabre> I can definitely have that available by this evening
[12:25] <knome> ok, ta
[12:25] <knome> ping me if you need more information
[12:25] <bluesabre> bug me when I show back up again later
[12:25] <bluesabre> :)
[12:25] <knome> i'll try to remember
[12:25] <knome> i can also help test the package
[12:25] <knome> i have a precise vbox
[12:31] <knome> humpf, some of the branch isn't as expected
[12:31] <knome> but that doesn't explain it all
[12:32] <knome> *now* the branch is completely as it should
[13:39] <jjfrv8> knome, I'll be back around 23UTC and will look at backlog. If you or bluesabre have got something to test, I can do that.
[14:21] <pmjdebruijn> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/commit/?id=e916c922ce3913712cd8a9b76ab037840b7f07f1 yay
[16:03] <slickymaster> bluesabre: I'm getting a Segmentation fault when I choose the "Capture from camera..." in the photo menu option
[16:03] <slickymaster> bluesabre: here's the debug: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6808994/
[16:03] <slickymaster> do you want me to fil a bug?
[16:04] <elfy> you really aren't having much luck with it at all :p
[16:14] <slickymaster> elfy: I'm starting to pull my hair off 
[16:15] <elfy> out
[16:15] <elfy> unless you only have the one :p
[16:15] <slickymaster> elfy: out. I still have plenty :P
[16:37] <elfy> slickymaster: :)
[17:17] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[21:02] <pleia2> ochosi, knome - yeah, we can move it to whenever
[21:51] <Migou> good evening everybody
[21:56] <Noskcaj> hey Migou 
[21:58] <Migou> I've just resized a partition to become beta-tester. well, now I'm reading elfy's last link. I connected in case I have questions.
[21:58] <brainwash> beta isn't even out yet :)
[21:59] <brainwash> currently at alpha 2
[21:59] <Noskcaj> Migou, then ask.
[21:59] <Migou> sorry, so alpha-tester :D
[22:00] <Noskcaj> brainwash, As far as most people are concerned, the daily and the alpha are betas
[22:00] <Noskcaj> just saying
[22:01] <brainwash> Noskcaj: can I bother you again with bug 1232804 ?
[22:02] <Noskcaj> brainwash, yeah. what is it?
[22:02] <Noskcaj> remember i know essentially no C
[22:02] <brainwash> the current problem is, that we don't have a PPA to test xfwm4 built with MONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP
[22:03] <brainwash> well, Unit193's PPA does, but it also enables tabwin
[22:03] <Unit193> What's wrong with that? :P
[22:03] <brainwash> no tabwin for trusty, right?
[22:04] <Unit193> Sadly, looks not.
[22:04] <brainwash> so we need a xfwm4 package which might eventually land in trusty
[22:04] <brainwash> 4.11
[22:04] <Unit193> Cakewalk, where you want it?
[22:05] <Noskcaj> brainwash, since Unit193 has everything set up and know the patch, let him do the PPA
[22:05] <brainwash> alright
[22:05] <brainwash> some separate PPA then
[22:05] <Unit193> Unless you want it in Ubuntu, then Noskcaj is the one. :P
[22:05] <Noskcaj> And if it's actually a patch rather than a rules change, please remember the DEP3 header
[22:05] <Migou> so I've got a problem. I followed elfy's mail pointing to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds. Then, il clicked "Xubuntu Desktopamd64 (ready) > Link to the download information"
[22:06] <Unit193> brainwash: Yes, because I plan to keep tabwin. :P
[22:06] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Always do...
[22:06] <Noskcaj> :)
[22:06] <brainwash> compile flag change
[22:06] <brainwash> currently
[22:06] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:06] <Noskcaj> Migou, continue
[22:06] <Unit193> Yep, 4.11.0+tabwin.git20131215.fa67b6a-1~13.10 has it all.
[22:06] <brainwash> -tabwin
[22:06] <Migou> there (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds/61654/downloads)... but nothing does download. neither through http or rsync 
[22:07] <Unit193> brainwash: Yeah, not even a configure switch. :/
[22:08] <Noskcaj> Migou, perhaps install the program testdrive-gtk , It let's you download and sync ISOs very easily
[22:08] <Noskcaj> And it will run them in a VM or burn to usb for you
[22:08] <brainwash> Unit193: we basically need something for testing, maybe it's ok if tabwin is also included
[22:08] <Unit193> Migou: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha-2/
[22:09] <Unit193> brainwash: I'd hope so, but I can understand if not.  At the very least ochosi needs to re-sync with master so it'd be a newer version than in repo.
[22:09] <Noskcaj> Migou, but Unit is right, the links sometime mess up around releases
[22:10] <brainwash> Unit193: I'm just worried that we get almost no feedback for the seamless transition, this way it will be rather hard to actually include it for the final trusty release :/
[22:11] <Unit193> Bah, I was updating an init script, wait a minute and I can get you something.
[22:12] <brainwash> Unit193: can you please promote your xfwm4 package (PPA) and call for testers in the bug report?
[22:18] <Unit193> Hmm, what?
[22:19] <Noskcaj> make ppa, tell everyone about ppa, tell elfy to tell everyone
[22:19] <brainwash> just mention that your xfwm4 package is already built with the needed flag
[22:19] <brainwash> and is ready to test
[22:19] <Noskcaj> and if anything goes wrong, blame brainwash ;)
[22:19] <brainwash> or ali1234 
[22:20] <brainwash> he did the coding :P
[22:22] <brainwash> oh, trusty does not ship lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.7 yet, still at 1.6
[22:23] <brainwash> 1.7 is a quite important release, especially the lock screen changes are
[22:24] <brainwash> ochosi: ^ ?
[22:24] <Noskcaj> brainwash, I think blue sabre was going to try and merge from debian. I don't know the package well enough to
[22:24] <Noskcaj> and i'll merge light-locker as soon as it clears NEW
[22:25] <brainwash> ok :)
[22:27] <Unit193> brainwash: I liked the idea to blame you. :D  Also, current PPA xfwm is technically at a "lower version" than in repo, so would have to do some strange things to use it.  Doing a sync on the latest xfwm in Trusty then bumping version.  Rebuilding now, will upload once it clears.
[22:34] <ali1234> tabwin applies on top of my commits
[22:34] <ali1234> i run it all the time
[22:34] <ali1234> i never use it tho
[22:42] <Unit193> This won't have it.
[22:49] <Unit193> brainwash: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/xfce  As seen on TV!  Your very own seemless transition package, all for the low low price of just 3 payments of $19.99!  ;)
[22:51] <brainwash> that's quite expensive for a grey flicker removal :P
[22:51] <brainwash> thanks :)
[22:55] <Unit193> You said advertise.. :P
[22:56] <Unit193> forestpiskie: Hey, so with the seemless transition, we're going to want to make sure there's no regressions in https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/xfce then likely upload.
[22:56] <Unit193> forestpiskie: You already have this PPA, so you'll just pick it up.
[23:20] <Noskcaj> Still no ETA on garcon, indicator or panel releases?
[23:27] <bluesabre> slickymaster: saucy or trusty?
[23:50] <Migou> So thanks, tomorrow i'll try burning an usb key with testdrive. Chmok chmok. good night.
[23:50] <Noskcaj> g'night Migou