[08:18] <Unit193> Logan_: Howdy, what's the likelihood of an update getting in that really diverges from Debian, if Debian has a fairly active maintainer?
[08:19] <Logan_> Unit193: It really depends on the package. I'm actually about to go to sleep.
[08:19] <Unit193> Logan_: I'd hope, at 0319.  Sleep well.
[08:19] <Unit193> Thanks
[08:21] <Logan_> :)
[10:53] <geser> Unit193: what kind of update and which package?
[10:57] <Unit193> dropbear, split out a dropbear-initramfs, updated to dh7, updated to latest upstream, updated init script, added building of the scp module and in the initramfs hook to install it as bin/scp, and maybe smaller things or something I'm missing...
[10:59] <Unit193> I'm guessing a big no, but may as well ask.
[11:01] <cjwatson> why wouldn't most of those be done in Debian?
[11:02]  * ogra_ wonders how they make sure you have properly working networking inside the initrd for that 
[11:02] <cjwatson> the thing people usually choose not to think about is that large divergences are an *ongoing* cost, and need corresponding benefit - fiddling about with the packaging system (dh7, init script, etc.) rarely have anywhere near the benefit required
[11:02] <cjwatson> work with the Debian maintainer instead
[11:02] <ogra_> ++
[11:03] <cjwatson> there's a reason I ended up being (effectively) the Debian grub2 maintainer rather than just doing all the work in Ubuntu, for instance :)
[11:03] <cjwatson> this way I have to do much less scutwork with merges
[11:04] <Unit193> cjwatson: Sure, and I understand and get that, just figured I'd ask since I already did it for myself.
[11:04] <Unit193> ogra_: And the initramfs stuff was already there, I just made it more of an option.  It uses a function to bring it up, or can use the ip= boot option.
[11:05] <geser> isn't the dropbear Debian maintainer looking for help with initramfs support?
[11:06] <ogra_> Unit193, yeah, i was just curious
[11:07] <Unit193> I didn't do much with that though, outside of the package I have .profile so when you ssh in it'll ask you for the password.  Biggest thing I changed in there is used pidof dropbear to forably close ssh connections out of the initrd when the system resumes booting.
[11:08] <geser> Unit193: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/01/msg00289.html , so I'd propose to work with the Debian maintainer to improve the initramfs support for both Debian and Ubuntu
[11:09] <Unit193> geser: Again, not the part I did, or likely can, do much with. :/
[11:10] <Unit193> Thanks for responding!  Got the answer(s)  :)