| Kilos | morning all | 05:20 |
|---|---|---|
| * Kilos hopes for a peaceful day | 05:20 | |
| inetpro | hi Kilos | 05:39 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro you are early | 05:40 |
| inetpro | ja ons hoop maar dinge is weer rustig | 05:40 |
| Kilos | ja dis n pein gewees gister | 05:40 |
| Kilos | pyn | 05:40 |
| inetpro | I'm always early man | 05:40 |
| * inetpro never sleeps | 05:41 | |
| Kilos | hahaha | 05:43 |
| Kilos | ek wil die ding probeer maar dis nie vir 12.04 nie, sal moet leer om te backport of iets snaaks | 05:44 |
| Kilos | http://davidplanella.org/ubuntu-emulator-quickstart-guide/ | 05:44 |
| inetpro | what is that? | 05:48 |
| Kilos | emulator | 05:48 |
| Kilos | i want whatsapp on pc | 05:48 |
| Kilos | cant find ubuntu-emulator-runtime for 12.04 | 05:49 |
| Kilos | sigh | 05:49 |
| Kilos | only source | 05:49 |
| inetpro | Not sure what app will work on that yet | 05:50 |
| Kilos | i thought all android stuff should be able to work if you know what you are doing | 05:51 |
| Kilos | hehe | 05:51 |
| inetpro | whatsapp needs a number | 05:51 |
| Kilos | im not sure about the whole thing but ian will buy a sim card get whatsapp registration or something and give me the info | 05:52 |
| inetpro | that is not an Android emulator, or did I miss something | 05:52 |
| Kilos | oh and there is whatsapp for pidgin too but also needs the number | 05:52 |
| Kilos | no its the ubuntu one | 05:53 |
| Kilos | if the ubuntu touch can do whatsapp then it should work here with the emulater | 05:53 |
| inetpro | anyway,. nothing wrong with trying | 05:53 |
| Kilos | right or wrong? | 05:53 |
| Kilos | ya better than watching bad stuffs | 05:54 |
| * inetpro has to go | 05:54 | |
| Kilos | yesterday was most distressing | 05:54 |
| Kilos | go safe | 05:54 |
| inetpro | have a nice peaceful day | 05:54 |
| Kilos | danke | 05:55 |
| superfly | Kilos: Ubuntu Touch can't run WhatsApp | 06:09 |
| Kilos | oh my, ty superfly | 06:10 |
| Kilos | morning | 06:10 |
| superfly | hi | 06:10 |
| superfly | Ubuntu Touch cannot run Android apps | 06:11 |
| Kilos | ah, i cant sort the android-sdk thing to work here so will try go with the pidgin route | 06:12 |
| superfly | Kilos: also, technically you'd be violating WhatsApp's terms and conditions | 06:12 |
| Kilos | ill get a sim and register legally superfly | 06:13 |
| Kilos | then use that on pidgin | 06:13 |
| Kilos | wbb | 06:34 |
| somaunn | Hi guys | 06:57 |
| somaunn | hi Kilos | 06:57 |
| somaunn | hi inetpro | 06:57 |
| somaunn | hi Squirm | 06:57 |
| somaunn | hi superfly | 06:57 |
| Kilos | hi somaunn | 06:58 |
| somaunn | what the topics here | 07:00 |
| Kilos | linux stuff | 07:00 |
| Kilos | hi adeebnqo | 07:00 |
| adeebnqo | Kilos: hello | 07:01 |
| Kilos | just did all of this http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-ubuntu-12.04-lts | 07:01 |
| somaunn | Kilos: cool having a quick look at that | 07:17 |
| Kilos | hi Private_User | 07:17 |
| Private_User | hi Kilos | 07:18 |
| superfly | Kilos: you'll want to install something like VirtMgr which has a GUI. kvm is designed to run on a server, not a desktop. | 07:34 |
| Kilos | aha ty superfly | 07:43 |
| Kilos | virt-manager | 07:44 |
| Kilos | superfly, you here? | 08:57 |
| Symmetria | sup | 08:57 |
| Kilos | can i forward you a mail, i dont understand what it is all about, is it spam | 08:57 |
| Kilos | hi Symmetria | 08:57 |
| Symmetria | Kilos | 08:58 |
| Symmetria | https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152016878155528&type=1&l=c906d5faa1 | 08:58 |
| Symmetria | check that out | 08:58 |
| Symmetria | africa at its finest | 08:58 |
| Kilos | i dont go fb | 08:59 |
| Kilos | well hardly ever | 08:59 |
| Kilos | what is it? | 08:59 |
| Symmetria | heh thats just a photo album | 08:59 |
| Symmetria | its worth seeing | 08:59 |
| Symmetria | heh, photos I took in the last 48 hours | 09:00 |
| Kilos | ok | 09:00 |
| Symmetria | they are worth seeing :) seriously | 09:00 |
| Kilos | lol i kn ow what animals look like man | 09:03 |
| Kilos | know | 09:03 |
| Kilos | tv shows great animal clips | 09:03 |
| Symmetria | kilos heh, I took those all myself in the middle of the maasai mara | 09:04 |
| Symmetria | which is a place everyone should see once | 09:04 |
| Symmetria | truely amazing | 09:04 |
| Kilos | you spend too much time galivanting and not enough working | 09:08 |
| Kilos | but nice pics ya | 09:08 |
| Symmetria | lol thats only 5 hours drive from Nairobi | 09:09 |
| Kilos | as i say too much time galivanting | 09:10 |
| Kilos | ah superfly its scam | 09:11 |
| * Kilos installs sugarplum again | 09:11 | |
| Kilos | i googled fedexpostoffice101@163.com | 09:13 |
| charl | good morning | 10:20 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 10:20 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 10:21 |
| charl | how's it going | 10:21 |
| Kilos | good ty and you? | 10:21 |
| charl | i'm doing well | 10:22 |
| charl | http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140124_usg_provides_first_official_statement_on_montevideo_brazil/ | 10:22 |
| charl | american pilitics *puke* | 10:23 |
| charl | Symmetria: nice photos! it reminds me of when i went to nairobi national park in 2011 | 10:24 |
| charl | you can't believe there would be such a beautiful national park right next to one of the biggest cities | 10:25 |
| charl | i particularly like the composure of this one: https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/1555492_10152016874160528_1300045619_n.jpg | 10:25 |
| somaunn | hi Kilos | 10:30 |
| Kilos | lol | 10:39 |
| Kilos | yoyo | 10:39 |
| Kilos | ho Golynx | 11:16 |
| Golynx | Heya Kilos | 11:17 |
| Kilos | hi Private_User psydroid | 12:18 |
| Kilos | storm coming here | 12:18 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos | 12:23 |
| theblazehen | hi Kilos, all | 12:29 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 12:29 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, how's it been going? | 12:36 |
| Kilos | very good ty and you lad? | 12:36 |
| theblazehen | Going fine here. Didn't expect this much school work though, big step up from last year | 12:36 |
| Kilos | what standard now? | 12:37 |
| theblazehen | 9 I think.. Grade 11 | 12:37 |
| Kilos | or grades, im not sure what they call then anymore | 12:37 |
| Kilos | ah 1 before highschool finished | 12:37 |
| Private_User | hey Kilos | 12:37 |
| theblazehen | yeah.. | 12:37 |
| theblazehen | hey Private_User | 12:37 |
| theblazehen | Bit nervous about after school TBH | 12:38 |
| Kilos | peeps used to say 9 was harder than matric but i dunno so much | 12:38 |
| Private_User | hi theblazehen | 12:38 |
| Kilos | TBH? | 12:38 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, That's what they also say no || To be honest | 12:38 |
| Kilos | haha | 12:38 |
| theblazehen | s/no/now | 12:39 |
| Kilos | just do your best | 12:40 |
| Kilos | what more can one ask | 12:40 |
| theblazehen | yeah.. | 12:40 |
| theblazehen | just worried that "my best" < "good enough" | 12:42 |
| Kilos | nope man, if you put lotsa effort in its always enough | 12:43 |
| Kilos | do you do lotsa work on pcs in school nowadays | 12:43 |
| theblazehen | nope, just basic word + excel in school :( | 12:44 |
| Kilos | oh so still books and written homework | 12:44 |
| theblazehen | yep | 12:45 |
| Kilos | good, dont want you guys having things too easy | 12:45 |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:45 |
| theblazehen | Not even allowed tech more advanced than calculator.. | 12:45 |
| Kilos | yeah well then kids would be googling for answers | 12:45 |
| theblazehen | Well some teachers allow it, and internet at school is horrible. Can't even do reliable IRC | 12:46 |
| Kilos | ai! | 12:47 |
| Kilos | adsl? | 12:47 |
| theblazehen | pretty much. 1 mbit shared, over 1000 students + teachers | 12:48 |
| Kilos | ouch | 12:48 |
| theblazehen | With a pretty crappy untangle filter | 12:48 |
| theblazehen | And the admin.. I wouldn't exactly call competent | 12:49 |
| Kilos | my 3g seems more stable since setting up minicom | 12:49 |
| theblazehen | (I am able to access teacher files, due to incorrectly set permissions) | 12:49 |
| theblazehen | nice | 12:49 |
| Kilos | or cutecom , i forget which one now | 12:49 |
| Kilos | dont be naughty | 12:50 |
| theblazehen | Yeah, don't DO anything with it lol | 12:50 |
| theblazehen | Was just looking around | 12:50 |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:50 |
| Private_User | but you are lucky dude, we never even had a proper computer lab at school | 12:53 |
| theblazehen | Private_User, yeah. Computers pretty decent, 2GB RAM, 2.1 GHz dual core P4 | 12:54 |
| Private_User | and we still had those old x86 machines, you know the one with 2 floppy drives | 12:55 |
| Private_User | one for booting the other to run software | 12:55 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:55 |
| Kilos | 486 | 12:55 |
| Private_User | remember those Kilos | 12:55 |
| Kilos | thats what i started here with | 12:56 |
| theblazehen | ah, nice, depending on when it was | 12:56 |
| theblazehen | which year Private_User ? | 12:56 |
| Kilos | about 6 or 7 years ago | 12:56 |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:56 |
| Private_User | more like 14years ago | 12:56 |
| Kilos | no | 12:56 |
| Kilos | started with what other peeps thew away | 12:57 |
| Private_User | lol | 12:57 |
| Kilos | 1 year before 8.04 | 12:57 |
| theblazehen | Decent 14 years ago.. | 12:57 |
| Kilos | 6 years and some months | 12:58 |
| Kilos | struggled with them old things | 12:58 |
| Kilos | but learned lots | 12:58 |
| Kilos | oh also remember an old pc about 20 years ago that ran from floppy | 13:00 |
| Kilos | those 5 1/2 inch ones | 13:01 |
| Kilos | but the kids played on that | 13:01 |
| Private_User | yeah I remember when we bought our first computer it was a 286 | 13:03 |
| Private_User | and playing those old 2D games | 13:04 |
| Private_User | I wonder if we could still find some of them and whether we could get them to work on ubuntu... | 13:04 |
| Kilos | lol | 13:05 |
| Kilos | i have a 386 and a 486 that were working when they went to the storeroom | 13:05 |
| theblazehen | Private_User, only 486 or better will work | 13:07 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, linux on your 486 maybe? | 13:07 |
| Kilos | i ran dos on them | 13:08 |
| Kilos | and win 95 on the 486 | 13:08 |
| Kilos | but they got me thinking again | 13:09 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, install gentoo on the 486 ;) Or ubuntu server / debian | 13:09 |
| Kilos | i got a p3 i will use for a server one day | 13:14 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, will be a killer on the power... | 13:15 |
| Kilos | hopefully | 13:15 |
| theblazehen | A Pi will probably be faster + less power | 13:15 |
| Kilos | oh you mean electricity | 13:16 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, yeah.. | 13:16 |
| theblazehen | lol | 13:16 |
| Kilos | no money for toys man, just spent 2 years savings to but a lga1155 mobo cpu ram and psu | 13:17 |
| Kilos | now to start saving again for better cpu | 13:17 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, ah, that sucks.. Can you sell components? | 13:17 |
| Kilos | what components | 13:18 |
| theblazehen | eg. RAM | 13:18 |
| theblazehen | some places might need the old ram, etc. | 13:18 |
| Kilos | for what pc | 13:18 |
| theblazehen | the P3 | 13:18 |
| Kilos | i took that sdr ram for my p4 | 13:19 |
| theblazehen | Old components are rare, and SOMEONE will have something important which only runs on old pc | 13:19 |
| theblazehen | ah | 13:19 |
| Kilos | my p4 is an early version that uses the sdr ram so moved it from p3 to p4 | 13:20 |
| Kilos | now boet in law playing games on it | 13:20 |
| Kilos | ram is always expensive hey? i paid big bucks for that old ram | 13:21 |
| Kilos | just got 4g ddr3 for about the same as i paid for 640m sdr | 13:21 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, got 16Gb for under R700 | 13:22 |
| Kilos | wow | 13:22 |
| Kilos | i just paid 450 about for 4g | 13:23 |
| theblazehen | Yeah, I got 2nd hand some of it | 13:23 |
| theblazehen | friends were rebuilding PC's | 13:23 |
| Kilos | ah | 13:24 |
| theblazehen | Used to run up to 14 VM's on it :) | 13:26 |
| Kilos | wow | 13:26 |
| Kilos | hi hekkwan | 13:28 |
| hekkwan | howdy | 13:32 |
| Xethron | Greetings | 13:38 |
| Xethron | You guys know of any Web Devs in Gauteng? | 13:38 |
| Kilos | hi Xethron | 13:39 |
| Kilos | ask tonight when there are more peeps here | 13:39 |
| Kilos | and even ask on the mailing list | 13:39 |
| theblazehen | Xethron, what do you need done? | 13:40 |
| Kilos | lots of jhb peeps dont come here but use the lists | 13:40 |
| Xethron | I have a job opening for one | 13:40 |
| theblazehen | Xethron, ah | 13:40 |
| Xethron | Looking for someone who knows PHP, MySQL, MVC, JS, jQuery, and all the rest | 13:41 |
| Xethron | theblazehen: you interested? | 13:41 |
| theblazehen | Hehe, I just know enough of the 1st 2 to get by | 13:42 |
| Xethron | haha | 13:42 |
| theblazehen | Besides still in HS, so can't get a job | 13:42 |
| theblazehen | Only freelance at best | 13:42 |
| Xethron | HS? | 13:42 |
| theblazehen | High School | 13:42 |
| Xethron | ah | 13:42 |
| Xethron | I see | 13:42 |
| Xethron | You want to study Programming? | 13:43 |
| theblazehen | Xethron, more heading in the sysadmin direction | 13:43 |
| Xethron | bleh | 13:43 |
| Xethron | one of those | 13:43 |
| theblazehen | hehe, why? | 13:43 |
| Xethron | :P | 13:43 |
| Xethron | Just curious | 13:43 |
| theblazehen | Meant why the "bleh" | 13:44 |
| Xethron | If you ever need help with PHP or something, gimme a shout | 13:44 |
| theblazehen | Sure, thanks | 13:44 |
| Xethron | Sysadmins are... Sysadmins... | 13:44 |
| theblazehen | Xethron, lol || Pretty decent with PHP +| MySQL, just can't do frontend stuff | 13:45 |
| Xethron | Used MVC before? | 13:45 |
| theblazehen | Xethron, nope.. | 13:46 |
| Xethron | Download Laravel ( www.laravel.com ) and make sure it becomes your best friend | 13:46 |
| theblazehen | kk, ty | 13:46 |
| Xethron | Its a MVC PHP Framework... | 13:46 |
| Xethron | Which drastically increases productivity | 13:47 |
| theblazehen | ty | 13:47 |
| Xethron | :) | 13:47 |
| Kilos | Xethron, have you joined our mailing list | 13:47 |
| theblazehen | tl;dr MVC vs vanilla PHP? | 13:47 |
| Xethron | Doubt it Kilos | 13:47 |
| Xethron | theblazehen: Model, Views, Controller. Models are objects from your database (like a user model), views are the stuff that make your site pretty, and Controllers is the place you put all your code | 13:49 |
| theblazehen | Xethron, ah, ty | 13:49 |
| Xethron | Its a way to seperate your code so that it becomes more managable... | 13:49 |
| theblazehen | Hmm, would you use it for small projects as well? | 13:50 |
| theblazehen | Talking less than 200 lines with everything | 13:50 |
| theblazehen | http://i.imgur.com/ocWDwcU.jpg ... :/ | 13:51 |
| Xethron | lol | 13:52 |
| Xethron | theblazehen: well, if its a "project", yes, I would do it in Laravel. Laravel is very easy to setup and start using | 13:53 |
| Xethron | But 200 lines sounds like halve of one of my classes :P | 13:54 |
| theblazehen | hehe, kk | 13:54 |
| theblazehen | Are you aware of bitcoin? | 13:55 |
| Xethron | yeah | 13:55 |
| Xethron | who isn't | 13:55 |
| theblazehen | Well I'm quite involved with an "altcoin", and wrote the faucet script | 13:55 |
| Xethron | ah, ok | 13:57 |
| Xethron | Well, if its something that will later expand, and won't only stay at 200 lines, yeah, try it in Laravel instead... Then it will be easy to make changes later | 13:58 |
| Xethron | Soooo, this went slightly off topic :P | 14:03 |
| Kilos | hehe | 14:04 |
| Golynx | Hi everyone | 14:04 |
| Kilos | hi Golynx | 14:04 |
| theblazehen | Xethron, kk, ty | 14:04 |
| Kilos | job in jhb if you interested | 14:04 |
| Kilos | Xethron, looking for a web dev | 14:05 |
| theblazehen | Golynx, hi. Lol, read logs, trender was a dick yesterday... | 14:05 |
| Golynx | Anyone know of a code editor that has a tag closing highlight feature ? | 14:05 |
| theblazehen | Golynx, vim? | 14:05 |
| Xethron | Golynx: what you mean? | 14:05 |
| Golynx | I cant find any Code editor in ubuntu that does that | 14:06 |
| theblazehen | Golynx, sublime text? | 14:06 |
| theblazehen | Pretty sure my vim does it, and ST did it if I understood you right | 14:06 |
| Kilos | Xethron, thats what Golynx does | 14:06 |
| Kilos | but he is far away | 14:06 |
| Golynx | Hey theblazehen, yeah he was. He got all cry baby in my pm's after we had a fight lol | 14:07 |
| Golynx | I hav'nt tried Vim yet | 14:07 |
| theblazehen | Golynx, vim is awesome | 14:07 |
| theblazehen | high learning curve however | 14:07 |
| Xethron | lol | 14:07 |
| Golynx | Just gedit, geany, sublime , and such | 14:08 |
| theblazehen | Golynx, if you get vim, get this too: https://github.com/spf13/spf13-vim | 14:08 |
| Golynx | Is Vim not just a command line interface ? | 14:08 |
| Xethron | jup | 14:08 |
| theblazehen | Golynx, yeah | 14:08 |
| theblazehen | unless you get gvim | 14:08 |
| Xethron | so you have to learn all the shortcuts | 14:08 |
| Xethron | theblazehen: no point in getting gvim | 14:09 |
| Golynx | Hmm, i want a GUI editor though , i click alot lol | 14:09 |
| Xethron | if you get gvim, use sublime | 14:09 |
| theblazehen | Xethron, yeah, agreed | 14:09 |
| Xethron | Golynx: I'm not sure what it is you need? | 14:09 |
| Xethron | Golynx: highlight unclosed tags? | 14:09 |
| theblazehen | Xethron, has a menu though, for beginners | 14:09 |
| Golynx | I want a code editor similar to notepad++ in windows , but i cant use wine in ubuntu, not enough ram | 14:10 |
| Golynx | Yes Xethron | 14:10 |
| Xethron | Golynx: use Sublime | 14:10 |
| Xethron | What do you do? | 14:10 |
| Golynx | The only feature missing from the editors i tried is the , tag close highlighter | 14:11 |
| Kilos | Xethron, Golynx just switched to ubuntu from win 2 weeks ago | 14:11 |
| Xethron | Sublime works great for most programming editors | 14:11 |
| Golynx | Web development | 14:11 |
| Xethron | Golynx: Sublime is filled with Plugins | 14:11 |
| Xethron | I'm not sure what you mean by tag close highlighter though? | 14:12 |
| Golynx | Need to easilly see my closing tags in html and js | 14:12 |
| Xethron | umm | 14:12 |
| Xethron | So, if you select the opening tag, eg, <body>, you want it to highlight the </body> tag? | 14:12 |
| Golynx | I know but i cant find a plugin Xethron. People say to compile one myself lol | 14:13 |
| Golynx | Yes perfect Xethron | 14:13 |
| Xethron | oh, mine does that | 14:13 |
| Xethron | umm | 14:13 |
| Xethron | lemme get the plugin name for you | 14:13 |
| Golynx | ok cool | 14:13 |
| Xethron | Golynx: I have too many plugins :P | 14:14 |
| Xethron | but I think its BracketHighlighter | 14:14 |
| Golynx | Ok thanks Xethron i will try that one :) | 14:16 |
| inetpro | Golynx: once you learn vim you'll never want another editor | 14:17 |
| Golynx | I will try that inetpro thanks. But dunno if i need a command line editor for gui apps though | 14:20 |
| theblazehen | inetpro, ++ | 14:21 |
| Xethron | inetpro: He recently switched to Ubuntu... Give him a year or two on Linux before pushing him to vim :P | 14:21 |
| theblazehen | inetpro, Just discovered the beauty of vim a week or so ago | 14:21 |
| theblazehen | When I only transfer 3 GB of data in 3 hours... | 14:24 |
| Golynx | haha yeah, i'm still a baby in linux :D | 14:25 |
| theblazehen | Golynx, why not try archlinux.org? It's what I use.. /s | 14:26 |
| Golynx | theblazehen can i use archlinux as a desktop environment ontop of unity | 14:29 |
| theblazehen | Golynx, arch is a completely different linux distro. You can install unity inside of arch, however you only start with a terminal | 14:30 |
| theblazehen | But in all seriousness if you REALLY wanna learn, try and get it installed in a VM | 14:30 |
| theblazehen | Learnt more in a day with arch than a month with Ubuntu | 14:31 |
| Kilos | theblazehen, dont mess with him now man | 14:32 |
| Kilos | he has xubuntu workin | 14:32 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, ok... lol :) | 14:32 |
| Kilos | arch is too involved to star off wioth | 14:32 |
| Kilos | with | 14:32 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 14:32 |
| Kilos | start | 14:32 |
| Kilos | whew | 14:32 |
| Golynx | 528MB for the arch iso hmm :/ | 14:32 |
| theblazehen | Golynx, yep, but it's x86_64 + x86 | 14:33 |
| theblazehen | Got my arch based thin client installed in less than 1 GB of space | 14:33 |
| theblazehen | But internet caps suck, I agree.. | 14:34 |
| Golynx | theblazehen ty , but i think i will stick with xfce-desktop for now , until i got a few pc's to mess around with :) | 14:34 |
| theblazehen | Golynx, yeah, stick with that untill you know a little more :) | 14:34 |
| * Golynx is getting sucked in by the all powerful linux world lol | 14:36 | |
| theblazehen | Golynx, good man :) | 14:37 |
| Kilos | wbb, gotta pinch a drive outa here | 14:46 |
| superfly | you can't install arch in a vm, it doesn't have any of the right drivers and it's completely useless. | 14:50 |
| superfly | there are better things to do with life than install arch | 14:50 |
| charl | hahahaha ! | 14:56 |
| charl | this is hilarious | 14:56 |
| charl | wb Kilos | 15:16 |
| Kilos | ty charl | 15:16 |
| Golynx | hey charl | 15:16 |
| charl | hi Golynx | 15:16 |
| Golynx | Wb Kilos | 15:16 |
| Kilos | ty | 15:17 |
| charl | how's it going with you all | 15:18 |
| Kilos | charl, you clever and got good internet | 15:18 |
| charl | lol | 15:18 |
| charl | what do you need? | 15:19 |
| Golynx | Good and you charl | 15:19 |
| charl | i'm just taking a break now, i'm busy cleaning my apartment | 15:19 |
| charl | i'm doing well Golynx, just a bit exhausted right now :) | 15:19 |
| Kilos | i need the pin connections on a ecs p45t-a mobo for the front panel and on/off button | 15:19 |
| charl | the what?! :) | 15:19 |
| charl | oh a taiwanese motherboard? | 15:20 |
| Kilos | i hunted there by ecs site but i dont find where they so over there on the mobo is pin and 2 and you connect such and such there | 15:20 |
| Kilos | chinese i think | 15:20 |
| Kilos | i havent bothered to check the psu because i just took it out the box | 15:21 |
| Kilos | brandy noob | 15:21 |
| charl | so you need to know where to connect the power button to? | 15:22 |
| charl | the pins on the motherboard ... | 15:22 |
| Kilos | i hate these mod mobos that you push on button and mobo turns psu on | 15:22 |
| Golynx | Ah good charl | 15:22 |
| Kilos | yes please | 15:22 |
| charl | oh mobo = motherboard | 15:23 |
| charl | i'm already putting the puzzle together :) | 15:23 |
| Kilos | i found a row of 9 bins in bouble row but dunno which is which and what they for | 15:23 |
| Kilos | ya | 15:23 |
| Kilos | shorter to type man | 15:24 |
| Kilos | m/b | 15:24 |
| Kilos | is that better | 15:24 |
| charl | ok i found it | 15:24 |
| Kilos | i dunno what the correct abreviation is | 15:24 |
| charl | nah m/b looks like megabyte | 15:24 |
| charl | i never know it :) | 15:25 |
| Kilos | can you see the pins and what to connect to them | 15:25 |
| Golynx | How about "momb" lol | 15:25 |
| Kilos | i tried to find the user manual but just wasted data | 15:25 |
| charl | whow i hate trying to copy and paste out of a pdf document | 15:25 |
| Kilos | give me the link if you see it | 15:26 |
| Kilos | i dont mind going straight to a link | 15:26 |
| Golynx | lol charl, is that possible | 15:26 |
| Kilos | its the page after [age 100 times that wastes data | 15:26 |
| charl | i'll paste the part for you in a PM | 15:27 |
| Golynx | I have to convert the pdf to txt or html before i can copy anything | 15:27 |
| charl | Kilos: here's the pdf: http://eudownload.ecs.com.tw/dlfileecs/manual/mb/eng/p4/P45T_AV1/P45T-A_v2.pdf | 15:28 |
| charl | there is an illustration on page 30 | 15:28 |
| charl | under the text "front panel header" | 15:28 |
| Kilos | ty charl | 15:28 |
| charl | np | 15:28 |
| Kilos | charl, is there a way to download that manual | 15:30 |
| charl | you should be able to fetch it straight with wget | 15:31 |
| charl | yeah it works | 15:31 |
| Kilos | wonderful ty will try that | 15:31 |
| charl | it's 1,9MB | 15:31 |
| Kilos | thats fine ty | 15:31 |
| charl | np | 15:31 |
| Kilos | its using 15 or 20 and getting nowhere thats frustrating | 15:32 |
| Kilos | wget rocks hey | 15:33 |
| charl | yeah | 15:33 |
| charl | i always use it when downloading large files | 15:33 |
| charl | firefox and the others suck at it and they are too slow | 15:33 |
| Kilos | yeah | 15:33 |
| charl | and then they cut off the download mid way and you have to use wget in any case | 15:33 |
| Kilos | i use wget especially for isos | 15:33 |
| Kilos | yeah with -c | 15:34 |
| charl | i can download files at close to 1gbps with wget without taxing the system | 15:34 |
| Kilos | wow | 15:34 |
| charl | yes i just enable -c as standard because if the download breaks off you never have worries, it restarts with the same filename | 15:34 |
| Kilos | i havent done it that way yet | 15:35 |
| Kilos | always wait to crash first | 15:36 |
| Golynx | There are lots of gui apps that you can set to auto resume download though. | 15:37 |
| Kilos | not as fast as wget | 15:37 |
| charl | i don't want gui apps, i try and do everything at the command line | 15:37 |
| Kilos | they need download managers and things | 15:37 |
| charl | the only two non-terminal applications i use are a web browser and vlc | 15:38 |
| charl | and on the occasion the gimp | 15:38 |
| Golynx | Oh ya linux peeps cant divorce their terminals lol | 15:38 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:39 |
| Kilos | youll get there and see the advantages at times | 15:39 |
| Golynx | I do everything in Opera browser, but for files bigger than 50MB i will use wget with -c | 15:39 |
| charl | brb | 15:41 |
| Kilos | hi jhb_hacker | 15:43 |
| Golynx | hey jhb_hacker | 15:44 |
| jhb_hacker | hi guys | 15:44 |
| charl | hi jhb_hacker | 16:09 |
| jhb_hacker | charl: how you? | 16:09 |
| charl | i'm great thanks yourself | 16:10 |
| jhb_hacker | not bad; | 16:10 |
| charl | wb somaunn | 16:11 |
| somaunn | hi charl | 16:11 |
| somaunn | hi Kilos | 16:11 |
| Golynx | Hey somaunn | 16:11 |
| somaunn | hi Golynx | 16:12 |
| Kilos | hi somaunn sorery i was asleep | 16:15 |
| Kilos | dont forget tuesday night meeting hey guys | 16:15 |
| Kilos | 8.30 pm right here | 16:15 |
| Kilos | wb jhb_hacker | 16:20 |
| Kilos | sorry, storm killed the power | 16:25 |
| somaunn | Kilos: no problem | 16:26 |
| somaunn | i got my calendar | 16:27 |
| somaunn | update | 16:27 |
| somaunn | updated | 16:27 |
| Kilos | cool | 16:27 |
| Golynx | From the looks of it broadband internet for all may be 20 years away | 16:29 |
| charl | what is defined as broadband internet | 16:29 |
| Kilos | eish | 16:29 |
| charl | that definition is constantly changing | 16:30 |
| charl | in 20 years time the definition will be radically different than what it is today | 16:30 |
| Golynx | Too much corruption in SA though, causes alot of backlogs in construction | 16:30 |
| Golynx | Well a good broadband speed will be able to download 1MB in less than 1 sec. For mobile networks ofcourse | 16:31 |
| Golynx | But ya , thats for Tuesday's discussion :) | 16:33 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:33 |
| Kilos | wont happen | 16:33 |
| Golynx | What wont happen | 16:33 |
| charl | 1MBps = 8mbps + protocol overhead | 16:33 |
| charl | so you are lookiong at 10mbps min | 16:34 |
| charl | that is very achievable with today's broadband technology | 16:34 |
| Kilos | best ive got is 560kB/s | 16:34 |
| Kilos | 1m is asking for to much | 16:34 |
| charl | hsdpa can do it | 16:35 |
| Kilos | in za? | 16:35 |
| Kilos | i have hsdpa and the utmc or something | 16:36 |
| Golynx | Hmm, if photons can achieve a speed 1000 times more than that then its possible in wireless internet | 16:36 |
| Kilos | normal spedd here is around 300 kB/s | 16:36 |
| charl | HSDPA comprises various versions with different data speeds. In 2009 the most common devices are category 6 (3.6 Mbit/s) and category 8 (7.2 Mbit/s) with retail prices around 60 euros without subscription. | 16:36 |
| charl | from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access#User_Equipment_.28UE.29_categories | 16:36 |
| charl | but in the table below the speeds go up to 337.5mbps | 16:37 |
| charl | there is also this note: The maximum data rates given in the table are physical layer data rates. Application layer data rate is approximately 85% of that, due to the inclusion of IP headers (overhead information) etc. | 16:37 |
| charl | note now we are talking about hsdpa, we're not even talking 4g yet | 16:37 |
| inetpro | charl: I would say 80% if you are lucky | 16:38 |
| inetpro | you can write off about 20% for IP headers and overhead | 16:39 |
| charl | if you are downloading a lot of data, afaik ipv6 would reduce that with larger packet sizes | 16:40 |
| charl | (i speak under correction) | 16:40 |
| Kilos | charl, the connections are maybe capable of that speed but the isp's limit one | 16:50 |
| Kilos | my modem shows offline now | 16:50 |
| Kilos | hmm> | 16:50 |
| Kilos | ... | 16:50 |
| Kilos | red light on a zte means what | 16:51 |
| Golynx | Is'nt it supposed to flash green when offline | 16:52 |
| Golynx | or are all modem lights different | 16:53 |
| Kilos | yay green flashing again | 16:53 |
| Golynx | lol cool :) | 16:54 |
| * Golynx sensed a glitch in the matrix | 16:54 | |
| Kilos | solid green is offline but sees the connection | 16:54 |
| Kilos | slow flash is connected | 16:55 |
| Golynx | Mine is the other way round | 16:55 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:55 |
| charl | Kilos: yeah they always do that i think | 16:55 |
| Kilos | since i set it up in minicom its very stable | 16:56 |
| Kilos | who knows what pins on a 24 pin power cable switch on the psu | 17:00 |
| Kilos | hey Golynx im lost | 17:05 |
| Kilos | didnt have probs before but ive forgotten how to make opera open in new tabs | 17:06 |
| Kilos | this forward back thing is driving me nuts | 17:06 |
| Golynx | You mean save last session Kilos | 17:07 |
| Kilos | if you open 5 links from here i get one tab open there | 17:08 |
| Kilos | opens everything in a new tab on other drive | 17:08 |
| Kilos | i dunno what i mean, or i woulda sorted it | 17:09 |
| Golynx | What you mean by other drive ? Is it on 2 different pc's | 17:09 |
| Kilos | i have 3 drives in this pc, unity 64bit unity 32bit and kde each on its own drive | 17:10 |
| Kilos | choose on bott | 17:10 |
| Kilos | boot | 17:10 |
| Golynx | oh | 17:10 |
| Kilos | linux rocks | 17:10 |
| Kilos | when i set up the others i was a bit younger | 17:11 |
| Golynx | Then it may be an issue on that specific environment if its not happening on others | 17:11 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 17:12 |
| Kilos | found this for the psu | 17:14 |
| Kilos | http://pinouts.ru/Power/atx_v2_pinout.shtml | 17:14 |
| Golynx | On preferences >> Advanced >> Tabs is all the options though | 17:14 |
| Kilos | pin 16 to ground switches on | 17:14 |
| Kilos | lemme look | 17:14 |
| Kilos | ill need to go check them settings on another drive | 17:17 |
| Golynx | ok | 17:17 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 17:32 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 17:32 | |
| Kilos | Maaz, with cremora | 17:32 |
| Maaz | Ah! At last someone with taste | 17:32 |
| Kilos | Maaz, and milk | 17:33 |
| Maaz | Now you're talking | 17:33 |
| Kilos | Maaz, rusks please | 17:33 |
| Maaz | behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos | 17:33 |
| Kilos | ok | 17:34 |
| Kilos | Maaz, oumas | 17:35 |
| Maaz | Kilos: oumas are the bestest rusks | 17:35 |
| Kilos | what a clever bot | 17:35 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 17:36 |
| Kilos | Maaz, thanks man | 17:36 |
| Maaz | Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) | 17:36 |
| Golynx | lol | 17:38 |
| Golynx | I made about 30 different chatbots, but lost them all when i burried windows | 17:40 |
| Golynx | Atleast there was a good crowed at the funeral | 17:40 |
| Kilos | go work by xethron im sure the got win pcs there | 17:41 |
| Kilos | dont you have it all saved on your sisters fone | 17:41 |
| Golynx | had to remove some data though, was too big to fit in the memory card | 17:42 |
| Golynx | I'm sure Xethron wont be needing my services. He looks very skilled already | 17:43 |
| Kilos | he said today they are looking for a web dev | 17:46 |
| Golynx | Ya he asked me via pm. But must ne around Jhb area. | 17:47 |
| Golynx | be* | 17:48 |
| Kilos | yeah so move to better internet | 17:48 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:48 |
| inetpro | Kilos: we got a very welcome 14mm to cool us down again | 17:48 |
| Kilos | lekker inetpro i havent checked since it stopped | 17:49 |
| Golynx | Right now i'm pretty useless. Pc hardware wise and internet wise. | 17:50 |
| Golynx | But i will get there | 17:50 |
| Kilos | good | 17:51 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:20 |
| inetpro | Kilos: hehe? | 18:31 |
| Kilos | ek lag jy man | 18:32 |
| inetpro | hoekom lag jy my? | 18:34 |
| Kilos | sommer net | 18:36 |
| inetpro | ok | 18:38 |
| inetpro | jou beurt is jou beurt | 18:38 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 18:39 |
| inetpro | superfly: you ready for Monday's discussion? | 18:39 |
| Kilos | ya give us a pointer to what the idea was | 18:40 |
| Kilos | so we can get peeps to research it | 18:40 |
| inetpro | The current state of Internet in South Africa | 18:40 |
| * Kilos ducks | 18:40 | |
| * charl runs | 18:40 | |
| Kilos | mine works kiff | 18:41 |
| charl | mine too :P | 18:41 |
| Kilos | the point inetpro | 18:41 |
| Kilos | ? | 18:41 |
| Golynx | Mine w...o...(error)...r..ks lol | 18:42 |
| inetpro | superfly: oops, not Monday but Tuesday | 18:43 |
| inetpro | Kilos: ? | 18:46 |
| Kilos | yessir | 18:47 |
| inetpro | Kilos: what you mean? | 18:47 |
| Kilos | i mean no good some saying its good and others saying its bad we need to find a way to improve both | 18:47 |
| Kilos | ai! ek sukkel met my volk partykeer | 18:48 |
| inetpro | are you suggesting we change the topic? | 18:49 |
| Kilos | no man | 18:49 |
| charl | that's it's bad should be an accepted fact | 18:50 |
| charl | what you need to ask yourself is how you are going to improve it | 18:50 |
| charl | lobbying government etc | 18:50 |
| Kilos | im hoping the fly has a brilliant plan in his noggin | 18:50 |
| inetpro | sure thing | 18:50 |
| charl | if everyone sits around and complains but nobody does anything | 18:50 |
| charl | then nothing will improve | 18:50 |
| charl | in the netherlands the internet was horrible until they took KPN out of monopoly | 18:51 |
| inetpro | well I guess the idea is to discuss this at our meeting | 18:51 |
| inetpro | and then take it from there | 18:51 |
| charl | then in a year or two the internet "exploded" | 18:51 |
| charl | yeah let's do that | 18:51 |
| Kilos | most peeps need pointing in a certain direction a week before the time | 18:51 |
| inetpro | wb somaunn | 18:52 |
| Kilos | wb somaunn | 18:52 |
| Kilos | hi captine | 18:53 |
| charl | hi captine | 18:53 |
| captine | hi kilos and all | 18:53 |
| charl | how's it going captine | 18:53 |
| captine | could be better. not sure what i did to my hdd on laptop when trying arch linux... think MBR or something is completely broken... going to try the "boot-repair" app now | 18:54 |
| Kilos | ouch | 18:54 |
| Kilos | whats it doing? | 18:54 |
| captine | yip. installs all run fine, then fail with grub | 18:54 |
| captine | just doing an install memory stick now and will try again | 18:55 |
| Kilos | you got internet so thats good | 18:55 |
| Kilos | there is a tool called supergrub | 18:55 |
| captine | yip. am using macbook now tho to do the burns etc... tell me, has anyone here setup a pxe server for multiple distro installs? | 18:56 |
| Kilos | you burn to cd and boot from it and it will boot into the os | 18:56 |
| somaunn | thanks inetpro | 18:56 |
| somaunn | thanks Kilos | 18:56 |
| Kilos | it can fix grub probs too at times | 18:56 |
| captine | was trying but struggle to get it working (am a copy paste from how to's kind of guy, and haven't found a comprehensive how to yet... | 18:56 |
| Kilos | but boot-repair normally sorts probs | 18:56 |
| captine | Kilos: I have booted into ubuntu couple times and used gparted but no luck... when i break things, i do it properly... lol | 18:57 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:57 |
| Kilos | oh you played in gparted | 18:57 |
| Kilos | and chose option on the left | 18:58 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:58 |
| captine | lol | 18:58 |
| Kilos | dont use that ever unless the drive is empty | 18:58 |
| captine | strange thing is after trying suss some time back, my bios picks up opens use and ubuntu as options -- even though the entire hdd has been formatted a couple times | 18:58 |
| captine | my drive is empty now... lol | 18:58 |
| Kilos | in gparted only use the partition option | 18:58 |
| captine | will remember that... ;) | 19:01 |
| Kilos | what did you have on it that you dont wanna lose | 19:01 |
| captine | i don't have anything. did a full format | 19:01 |
| captine | everything is backed up | 19:01 |
| Kilos | ah | 19:01 |
| captine | was trying pc-bsd | 19:01 |
| Kilos | so what is boot-repair gonna help | 19:01 |
| captine | and antegros... but didn't succeed | 19:02 |
| captine | not sure | 19:02 |
| captine | i installed ubuntu | 19:02 |
| captine | and everything worked except grub | 19:02 |
| captine | so thought boot-repair would do the final trickl | 19:02 |
| Kilos | it wont do anything on a formatted drive | 19:02 |
| Kilos | boot from cd or stick and do a clean install | 19:02 |
| captine | I have tried that | 19:02 |
| captine | even using the auto partition | 19:03 |
| Kilos | oh you have ubuntu installed | 19:03 |
| captine | grub just fails to install | 19:03 |
| Kilos | sounds like sick mbr | 19:03 |
| Kilos | or drive not happy | 19:03 |
| captine | yip. tried creating mbr in gparted... no success. | 19:03 |
| Golynx | Is the bios ok | 19:03 |
| captine | lol | 19:03 |
| Kilos | send it ill fix it | 19:03 |
| captine | :) | 19:03 |
| captine | thanks | 19:04 |
| Kilos | im trying to think | 19:04 |
| captine | i have a spare drive to test with to see if it is the drive... just no time to do all this now. | 19:04 |
| Kilos | there is another tool called ubcd | 19:04 |
| captine | got a 4 week old in the house | 19:04 |
| Kilos | but also to be careful with | 19:04 |
| captine | think it is something with efi partitions etc.... not 100% sure | 19:04 |
| Kilos | congrats man | 19:04 |
| captine | thnx | 19:05 |
| Kilos | was it an efi drive | 19:05 |
| captine | weird thing on the installs is it always picks up the hdd as sda2, not 1 | 19:06 |
| Kilos | or is it mixed up between that and mbr | 19:06 |
| captine | which I thought was weird | 19:06 |
| Kilos | very weird | 19:06 |
| Kilos | mbr and boot sector sick | 19:06 |
| Kilos | oh | 19:06 |
| Kilos | have you got a xp cd | 19:06 |
| captine | nope | 19:07 |
| Kilos | win 98? | 19:07 |
| captine | brb. just going to room with a network cable.. -- no windows cc's. only mac and linux | 19:07 |
| Kilos | ok go quick | 19:07 |
| Kilos | if you can borrow an xp cd we can fix mbr and boot with it | 19:08 |
| somaunn | captine: is your drive a GPT or or not | 19:09 |
| inetpro | captine: hi | 19:10 |
| somaunn | also try to change disk settings from AHCI to IDE if you use an UEFI boot | 19:10 |
| inetpro | captine: if you have a capable UEFI and LEGACY bios, put the bios in Legacy boot only or Both enabled with Legacy boot first | 19:10 |
| Kilos | so lekker to have others helping too | 19:13 |
| Kilos | yay | 19:13 |
| * Kilos relaxes | 19:13 | |
| Golynx | lol | 19:13 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:14 |
| Kilos | truth hurt hey | 19:14 |
| Kilos | i been struggling alone for a long time now | 19:14 |
| Kilos | these modern bios's mess with my head | 19:15 |
| inetpro | read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 19:15 |
| Kilos | did a week ago | 19:16 |
| Kilos | its the new bios for gpt drives | 19:16 |
| charl | i had this issue | 19:16 |
| charl | i had to disable uefi as well, 12.04 refused to boot | 19:16 |
| charl | but 12.10 worked perfectly | 19:16 |
| Kilos | yeah | 19:16 |
| Kilos | 12.04 dont like it | 19:16 |
| charl | it is on my new dell optiplex in the office | 19:17 |
| charl | it boots perfectly from usb but after install it refuses to boot from the HD | 19:17 |
| charl | and it also boots from the flash drive using uefi | 19:17 |
| Kilos | ya | 19:17 |
| Kilos | blank screen | 19:17 |
| charl | my old macbook pro also had uefi but there i had no problems | 19:17 |
| charl | strange stuff | 19:18 |
| Kilos | yeah sometimes it feels like we progress backwards | 19:18 |
| charl | uefi isn't stable yet | 19:18 |
| Kilos | till one gets to understand it all | 19:18 |
| inetpro | note: Ubuntu 32bit cannot boot in UEFI mode | 19:18 |
| charl | i was using the 64-bit | 19:18 |
| Kilos | in the bios you can disable the uefi thing | 19:20 |
| charl | yeah eventually i did that | 19:20 |
| charl | just moved to legacy boot | 19:21 |
| charl | a.k.a. working boot | 19:21 |
| Kilos | haha | 19:21 |
| Kilos | we need someone to work on that and sort it out so he can help us | 19:22 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:30 |
| Kilos | see ya all tomorrow | 19:31 |
| captine | inetpro: no such option. but managed to get it installed now. will re-join channel from ubuntu. | 19:32 |
| somaunn | going to sleep guys | 19:35 |
| somaunn | see you tomorrow | 19:35 |
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