[05:20] <Kilos> morning all
[05:20]  * Kilos hopes for a peaceful day
[05:39] <inetpro> hi Kilos 
[05:40] <Kilos> hi inetpro you are early
[05:40] <inetpro> ja ons hoop maar dinge is weer rustig 
[05:40] <Kilos> ja dis n pein gewees gister
[05:40] <Kilos> pyn
[05:40] <inetpro> I'm always early man 
[05:41]  * inetpro never sleeps 
[05:43] <Kilos> hahaha
[05:44] <Kilos> ek wil die ding probeer maar dis nie vir 12.04 nie, sal moet leer om te backport of iets snaaks
[05:44] <Kilos> http://davidplanella.org/ubuntu-emulator-quickstart-guide/
[05:48] <inetpro> what is that? 
[05:48] <Kilos> emulator
[05:48] <Kilos> i want whatsapp on pc
[05:49] <Kilos> cant find ubuntu-emulator-runtime for 12.04
[05:49] <Kilos> sigh
[05:49] <Kilos> only source
[05:50] <inetpro> Not sure what app will work on that yet 
[05:51] <Kilos> i thought all android stuff should be able to work if you know what you are doing
[05:51] <Kilos> hehe
[05:51] <inetpro> whatsapp needs a number 
[05:52] <Kilos> im not sure about the whole thing but ian will buy a sim card get whatsapp registration or something and give me the info
[05:52] <inetpro> that is not an Android emulator, or did I miss something 
[05:52] <Kilos> oh and there is whatsapp for pidgin too but also needs the number
[05:53] <Kilos> no its the ubuntu one
[05:53] <Kilos> if the ubuntu touch can do whatsapp then it should work here with the emulater
[05:53] <inetpro> anyway,. nothing wrong with trying 
[05:53] <Kilos> right or wrong?
[05:54] <Kilos> ya better than watching bad stuffs
[05:54]  * inetpro has to go 
[05:54] <Kilos> yesterday was most distressing
[05:54] <Kilos> go safe
[05:54] <inetpro> have a nice peaceful day 
[05:55] <Kilos> danke
[06:09] <superfly> Kilos: Ubuntu Touch can't run WhatsApp
[06:10] <Kilos> oh my, ty superfly 
[06:10] <Kilos> morning
[06:10] <superfly> hi
[06:11] <superfly> Ubuntu Touch cannot run Android apps
[06:12] <Kilos> ah, i cant sort the android-sdk thing to work here so will try go with the pidgin route
[06:12] <superfly> Kilos: also, technically you'd be violating WhatsApp's terms and conditions
[06:13] <Kilos> ill get a sim and register legally superfly 
[06:13] <Kilos> then use that on pidgin
[06:34] <Kilos> wbb
[06:57] <somaunn> Hi guys
[06:57] <somaunn> hi Kilos
[06:57] <somaunn> hi inetpro
[06:57] <somaunn> hi Squirm
[06:57] <somaunn> hi superfly
[06:58] <Kilos> hi somaunn 
[07:00] <somaunn> what the topics here
[07:00] <Kilos> linux stuff
[07:00] <Kilos> hi adeebnqo 
[07:01] <adeebnqo> Kilos: hello
[07:01] <Kilos> just did all of this http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-ubuntu-12.04-lts
[07:17] <somaunn> Kilos: cool having a quick look at that
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[07:18] <Private_User> hi Kilos 
[07:34] <superfly> Kilos: you'll want to install something like VirtMgr which has a GUI. kvm is designed to run on a server, not a desktop.
[07:43] <Kilos> aha ty superfly 
[07:44] <Kilos> virt-manager
[08:57] <Kilos> superfly, you here?
[08:57] <Symmetria> sup
[08:57] <Kilos> can i forward you a mail, i dont understand what it is all about, is it spam
[08:57] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[08:58] <Symmetria> Kilos
[08:58] <Symmetria> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152016878155528&type=1&l=c906d5faa1
[08:58] <Symmetria> check that out
[08:58] <Symmetria> africa at its finest
[08:59] <Kilos> i dont go fb
[08:59] <Kilos> well hardly ever
[08:59] <Kilos> what is it?
[08:59] <Symmetria> heh thats just a photo album 
[08:59] <Symmetria> its worth seeing
[09:00] <Symmetria> heh, photos I took in the last 48 hours
[09:00] <Kilos> ok
[09:00] <Symmetria> they are worth seeing :) seriously
[09:03] <Kilos> lol i kn ow what animals look like man
[09:03] <Kilos> know
[09:03] <Kilos> tv shows great animal clips
[09:04] <Symmetria> kilos heh, I took those all myself in the middle of the maasai mara
[09:04] <Symmetria> which is a place everyone should see once
[09:04] <Symmetria> truely amazing 
[09:08] <Kilos> you spend too much time galivanting and not enough working
[09:08] <Kilos> but nice pics ya
[09:09] <Symmetria> lol thats only 5 hours drive from Nairobi
[09:10] <Kilos> as i say too much time galivanting
[09:11] <Kilos> ah superfly its scam
[09:11]  * Kilos installs sugarplum again
[09:13] <Kilos> i googled fedexpostoffice101@163.com
[10:20] <charl> good morning
[10:20] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:21] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:21] <charl> how's it going
[10:21] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[10:22] <charl> i'm doing well
[10:22] <charl> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140124_usg_provides_first_official_statement_on_montevideo_brazil/
[10:23] <charl> american pilitics *puke*
[10:24] <charl> Symmetria: nice photos! it reminds me of when i went to nairobi national park in 2011
[10:25] <charl> you can't believe there would be such a beautiful national park right next to one of the biggest cities
[10:25] <charl> i particularly like the composure of this one: https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/1555492_10152016874160528_1300045619_n.jpg
[10:30] <somaunn> hi Kilos
[10:39] <Kilos> lol
[10:39] <Kilos> yoyo
[11:16] <Kilos> ho Golynx 
[11:17] <Golynx> Heya Kilos
[12:18] <Kilos> hi Private_User psydroid 
[12:18] <Kilos> storm coming here
[12:23] <psydroid> hi Kilos 
[12:29] <theblazehen> hi Kilos, all
[12:29] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[12:36] <theblazehen> Kilos, how's it been going?
[12:36] <Kilos> very good ty and you lad?
[12:36] <theblazehen> Going fine here. Didn't expect this much school work though, big step up from last year
[12:37] <Kilos> what standard now?
[12:37] <theblazehen> 9 I think.. Grade 11
[12:37] <Kilos> or grades, im not sure what they call then anymore
[12:37] <Kilos> ah 1 before highschool finished
[12:37] <Private_User> hey Kilos 
[12:37] <theblazehen> yeah..
[12:37] <theblazehen> hey Private_User 
[12:38] <theblazehen> Bit nervous about after school TBH
[12:38] <Kilos> peeps used to say 9 was harder than matric but i dunno so much
[12:38] <Private_User> hi theblazehen
[12:38] <Kilos> TBH?
[12:38] <theblazehen> Kilos, That's what they also say no || To be honest
[12:38] <Kilos> haha
[12:39] <theblazehen> s/no/now
[12:40] <Kilos> just do your best
[12:40] <Kilos> what more can one ask
[12:40] <theblazehen> yeah..
[12:42] <theblazehen> just worried that "my best" < "good enough"
[12:43] <Kilos> nope man, if you put lotsa effort in its always enough
[12:43] <Kilos> do you do lotsa work on pcs in school nowadays
[12:44] <theblazehen> nope, just basic word + excel in school :(
[12:44] <Kilos> oh so still books and written homework
[12:45] <theblazehen> yep
[12:45] <Kilos> good, dont want you guys having things too easy
[12:45] <Kilos> hehe
[12:45] <theblazehen> Not even allowed tech more advanced than calculator..
[12:45] <Kilos> yeah well then kids would be googling for answers
[12:46] <theblazehen> Well some teachers allow it, and internet at school is horrible. Can't even do reliable IRC
[12:47] <Kilos> ai!
[12:47] <Kilos> adsl?
[12:48] <theblazehen> pretty much. 1 mbit shared, over 1000 students + teachers
[12:48] <Kilos> ouch
[12:48] <theblazehen> With a pretty crappy untangle filter
[12:49] <theblazehen> And the admin.. I wouldn't exactly call competent
[12:49] <Kilos> my 3g seems more stable since setting up minicom
[12:49] <theblazehen> (I am able to access teacher files, due to incorrectly set permissions)
[12:49] <theblazehen> nice
[12:49] <Kilos> or cutecom , i forget which one now
[12:50] <Kilos> dont be naughty
[12:50] <theblazehen> Yeah, don't DO anything with it lol
[12:50] <theblazehen> Was just looking around
[12:50] <Kilos> hehe
[12:53] <Private_User> but you are lucky dude, we never even had a proper computer lab at school
[12:54] <theblazehen> Private_User, yeah. Computers pretty decent, 2GB RAM, 2.1 GHz dual core P4
[12:55] <Private_User> and we still had those old x86 machines, you know the one with 2 floppy drives
[12:55] <Private_User> one for booting the other to run software
[12:55] <Kilos> lol
[12:55] <Kilos> 486
[12:55] <Private_User> remember those Kilos
[12:56] <Kilos> thats what i started here with
[12:56] <theblazehen> ah, nice, depending on when it was
[12:56] <theblazehen> which year Private_User ?
[12:56] <Kilos> about 6 or 7 years ago
[12:56] <Kilos> hehe
[12:56] <Private_User> more like 14years ago
[12:56] <Kilos> no
[12:57] <Kilos> started with what other peeps thew away
[12:57] <Private_User> lol
[12:57] <Kilos> 1 year before 8.04
[12:57] <theblazehen> Decent 14 years ago..
[12:58] <Kilos> 6 years and some months
[12:58] <Kilos> struggled with them old things 
[12:58] <Kilos> but learned lots
[13:00] <Kilos> oh also remember an old pc about 20 years ago that ran from floppy
[13:01] <Kilos> those 5 1/2 inch ones
[13:01] <Kilos> but the kids played on that
[13:03] <Private_User> yeah I remember when we bought our first computer it was a 286
[13:04] <Private_User> and playing those old 2D games
[13:04] <Private_User> I wonder if we could still find some of them and whether we could get them to work on ubuntu...
[13:05] <Kilos> lol
[13:05] <Kilos> i have a 386 and a 486  that were working when they went to the storeroom
[13:07] <theblazehen> Private_User, only 486 or better will work
[13:07] <theblazehen> Kilos, linux on your 486 maybe?
[13:08] <Kilos> i ran dos on them
[13:08] <Kilos> and win 95 on the 486
[13:09] <Kilos> but they got me thinking again
[13:09] <theblazehen> Kilos, install gentoo on the 486 ;) Or ubuntu server / debian
[13:14] <Kilos> i got a p3 i will use for a server one day
[13:15] <theblazehen> Kilos, will be a killer on the power...
[13:15] <Kilos> hopefully
[13:15] <theblazehen> A Pi will probably be faster + less power
[13:16] <Kilos> oh you mean electricity
[13:16] <theblazehen> Kilos, yeah..
[13:16] <theblazehen> lol
[13:17] <Kilos> no money for toys man, just spent 2 years savings to but a lga1155 mobo cpu ram and psu
[13:17] <Kilos> now to start saving again for better cpu
[13:17] <theblazehen> Kilos, ah, that sucks.. Can you sell components?
[13:18] <Kilos> what components
[13:18] <theblazehen> eg. RAM
[13:18] <theblazehen> some places might need the old ram, etc.
[13:18] <Kilos> for what pc
[13:18] <theblazehen> the P3
[13:19] <Kilos> i took that sdr ram for my p4
[13:19] <theblazehen> Old components are rare, and SOMEONE will have something important which only runs on old pc
[13:19] <theblazehen> ah
[13:20] <Kilos> my p4 is an early version that uses the sdr ram so moved it from p3 to p4
[13:20] <Kilos> now boet in law playing games on it
[13:21] <Kilos> ram is always expensive hey? i paid big bucks for that old ram
[13:21] <Kilos> just got 4g ddr3 for about the same as i paid for 640m sdr
[13:22] <theblazehen> Kilos, got 16Gb for under R700
[13:22] <Kilos> wow
[13:23] <Kilos> i just paid 450 about for 4g
[13:23] <theblazehen> Yeah, I got 2nd hand some of it
[13:23] <theblazehen> friends were rebuilding PC's
[13:24] <Kilos> ah
[13:26] <theblazehen> Used to run up to 14 VM's on it :)
[13:26] <Kilos> wow
[13:28] <Kilos> hi hekkwan 
[13:32] <hekkwan> howdy
[13:38] <Xethron> Greetings
[13:38] <Xethron> You guys know of any Web Devs in Gauteng?
[13:39] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[13:39] <Kilos> ask tonight when there are more peeps here
[13:39] <Kilos> and even ask on the mailing list
[13:40] <theblazehen> Xethron, what do you need done?
[13:40] <Kilos> lots of jhb peeps dont come here but use the lists
[13:40] <Xethron> I have a job opening for one
[13:40] <theblazehen> Xethron, ah
[13:41] <Xethron> Looking for someone who knows PHP, MySQL, MVC, JS, jQuery, and all the rest
[13:41] <Xethron> theblazehen: you interested?
[13:42] <theblazehen> Hehe, I just know enough of the 1st 2 to get by
[13:42] <Xethron> haha
[13:42] <theblazehen> Besides still in HS, so can't get a job
[13:42] <theblazehen> Only freelance at best
[13:42] <Xethron> HS?
[13:42] <theblazehen> High School
[13:42] <Xethron> ah
[13:42] <Xethron> I see
[13:43] <Xethron> You want to study Programming?
[13:43] <theblazehen> Xethron, more heading in the sysadmin direction
[13:43] <Xethron> bleh
[13:43] <Xethron> one of those
[13:43] <theblazehen> hehe, why?
[13:43] <Xethron> :P
[13:43] <Xethron> Just curious
[13:44] <theblazehen> Meant why the "bleh"
[13:44] <Xethron> If you ever need help with PHP or something, gimme a shout
[13:44] <theblazehen> Sure, thanks
[13:44] <Xethron> Sysadmins are... Sysadmins...
[13:45] <theblazehen> Xethron, lol || Pretty decent with PHP +| MySQL, just can't do frontend stuff
[13:45] <Xethron> Used MVC before?
[13:46] <theblazehen> Xethron, nope..
[13:46] <Xethron> Download Laravel ( www.laravel.com ) and make sure it becomes your best friend
[13:46] <theblazehen> kk, ty
[13:46] <Xethron> Its a MVC PHP Framework...
[13:47] <Xethron> Which drastically increases productivity
[13:47] <theblazehen> ty
[13:47] <Xethron> :)
[13:47] <Kilos> Xethron, have you joined our mailing list
[13:47] <theblazehen> tl;dr MVC vs vanilla PHP?
[13:47] <Xethron> Doubt it Kilos
[13:49] <Xethron> theblazehen: Model, Views, Controller. Models are objects from your database (like a user model), views are the stuff that make your site pretty, and Controllers is the place you put all your code
[13:49] <theblazehen> Xethron, ah, ty
[13:49] <Xethron> Its a way to seperate your code so that it becomes more managable...
[13:50] <theblazehen> Hmm, would you use it for small projects as well?
[13:50] <theblazehen> Talking less than 200 lines with everything
[13:51] <theblazehen> http://i.imgur.com/ocWDwcU.jpg ... :/
[13:52] <Xethron> lol
[13:53] <Xethron> theblazehen: well, if its a "project", yes, I would do it in Laravel. Laravel is very easy to setup and start using
[13:54] <Xethron> But 200 lines sounds like halve of one of my classes :P
[13:54] <theblazehen> hehe, kk
[13:55] <theblazehen> Are you aware of bitcoin?
[13:55] <Xethron> yeah
[13:55] <Xethron> who isn't
[13:55] <theblazehen> Well I'm quite involved with an "altcoin", and wrote the faucet script
[13:57] <Xethron> ah, ok
[13:58] <Xethron> Well, if its something that will later expand, and won't only stay at 200 lines, yeah, try it in Laravel instead... Then it will be easy to make changes later
[14:03] <Xethron> Soooo, this went slightly off topic :P
[14:04] <Kilos> hehe
[14:04] <Golynx> Hi everyone
[14:04] <Kilos> hi Golynx 
[14:04] <theblazehen> Xethron, kk, ty
[14:04] <Kilos> job in jhb if you interested
[14:05] <Kilos> Xethron, looking for a web dev
[14:05] <theblazehen> Golynx, hi. Lol, read logs, trender was a dick yesterday...
[14:05] <Golynx> Anyone know of a code editor that has a tag closing highlight feature ?
[14:05] <theblazehen> Golynx, vim?
[14:05] <Xethron> Golynx: what you mean?
[14:06] <Golynx> I cant find any Code editor in ubuntu that does that
[14:06] <theblazehen> Golynx, sublime text?
[14:06] <theblazehen> Pretty sure my vim does it, and ST did it if I understood you right
[14:06] <Kilos> Xethron, thats what Golynx does
[14:06] <Kilos> but he is far away
[14:07] <Golynx> Hey theblazehen, yeah he was. He got all cry baby in my pm's after we had a fight lol
[14:07] <Golynx> I hav'nt tried Vim yet
[14:07] <theblazehen> Golynx, vim is awesome
[14:07] <theblazehen> high learning curve however
[14:07] <Xethron> lol
[14:08] <Golynx> Just gedit, geany, sublime , and such
[14:08] <theblazehen> Golynx, if you get vim, get this too: https://github.com/spf13/spf13-vim
[14:08] <Golynx> Is Vim not just a command line interface  ?
[14:08] <Xethron> jup
[14:08] <theblazehen> Golynx, yeah
[14:08] <theblazehen> unless you get gvim
[14:08] <Xethron> so you have to learn all the shortcuts
[14:09] <Xethron> theblazehen: no point in getting gvim
[14:09] <Golynx> Hmm, i want a GUI editor though , i click alot lol
[14:09] <Xethron> if you get gvim, use sublime
[14:09] <theblazehen> Xethron, yeah, agreed
[14:09] <Xethron> Golynx: I'm not sure what it is you need?
[14:09] <Xethron> Golynx: highlight unclosed tags?
[14:09] <theblazehen> Xethron, has a menu though, for beginners
[14:10] <Golynx> I want a code editor similar to notepad++ in windows , but i cant use wine in ubuntu, not enough ram
[14:10] <Golynx> Yes Xethron
[14:10] <Xethron> Golynx: use Sublime
[14:10] <Xethron> What do you do?
[14:11] <Golynx> The only feature missing from the editors i tried is the , tag close highlighter
[14:11] <Kilos> Xethron, Golynx just switched to ubuntu from win 2 weeks ago
[14:11] <Xethron> Sublime works great for most programming editors
[14:11] <Golynx> Web development
[14:11] <Xethron> Golynx: Sublime is filled with Plugins
[14:12] <Xethron> I'm not sure what you mean by tag close highlighter though?
[14:12] <Golynx> Need to easilly see my closing tags in html and js
[14:12] <Xethron> umm
[14:12] <Xethron> So, if you select the opening tag, eg, <body>, you want it to highlight the </body> tag?
[14:13] <Golynx> I know but i cant find a plugin Xethron. People say to compile one myself lol
[14:13] <Golynx> Yes perfect Xethron
[14:13] <Xethron> oh, mine does that
[14:13] <Xethron> umm
[14:13] <Xethron> lemme get the plugin name for you
[14:13] <Golynx> ok cool
[14:14] <Xethron> Golynx: I have too many plugins :P
[14:14] <Xethron> but I think its BracketHighlighter
[14:16] <Golynx> Ok thanks Xethron i will try that one :)
[14:17] <inetpro> Golynx: once you learn vim you'll never want another editor 
[14:20] <Golynx> I will try that inetpro thanks. But dunno if i need a command line editor for gui apps though
[14:21] <theblazehen> inetpro, ++
[14:21] <Xethron> inetpro: He recently switched to Ubuntu... Give him a year or two on Linux before pushing him to vim :P
[14:21] <theblazehen> inetpro, Just discovered the beauty of vim a week or so ago
[14:24] <theblazehen> When I only transfer 3 GB of data in 3 hours...
[14:25] <Golynx> haha yeah, i'm still a baby in linux :D
[14:26] <theblazehen> Golynx, why not try archlinux.org? It's what I use.. /s
[14:29] <Golynx> theblazehen can i use archlinux as a desktop environment ontop of unity 
[14:30] <theblazehen> Golynx, arch is a completely different linux distro. You can install unity inside of arch, however you only start with a terminal
[14:30] <theblazehen> But in all seriousness if you REALLY wanna learn, try and get it installed in a VM
[14:31] <theblazehen> Learnt more in a day with arch than a month with Ubuntu
[14:32] <Kilos> theblazehen, dont mess with him now man
[14:32] <Kilos> he has xubuntu workin
[14:32] <theblazehen> Kilos, ok... lol :)
[14:32] <Kilos> arch is too involved to star off wioth
[14:32] <Kilos> with
[14:32] <theblazehen> yeah
[14:32] <Kilos> start
[14:32] <Kilos> whew
[14:32] <Golynx> 528MB for the arch iso hmm :/
[14:33] <theblazehen> Golynx, yep, but it's x86_64 + x86
[14:33] <theblazehen> Got my arch based thin client installed in less than 1 GB of space
[14:34] <theblazehen> But internet caps suck, I agree..
[14:34] <Golynx> theblazehen ty , but i think i will stick with xfce-desktop for now , until i got a few pc's to mess around with :)
[14:34] <theblazehen> Golynx, yeah, stick with that untill you know a little more :)
[14:36]  * Golynx is getting sucked in by the all powerful linux world lol
[14:37] <theblazehen> Golynx, good man :)
[14:46] <Kilos> wbb, gotta pinch a drive outa here
[14:50] <superfly> you can't install arch in a vm, it doesn't have any of the right drivers and it's completely useless.
[14:50] <superfly> there are better things to do with life than install arch
[14:56] <charl> hahahaha !
[14:56] <charl> this is hilarious
[15:16] <charl> wb Kilos 
[15:16] <Kilos> ty charl 
[15:16] <Golynx> hey charl
[15:16] <charl> hi Golynx 
[15:16] <Golynx> Wb Kilos
[15:17] <Kilos> ty
[15:18] <charl> how's it going with you all
[15:18] <Kilos> charl, you clever and got good internet
[15:18] <charl> lol
[15:19] <charl> what do you need?
[15:19] <Golynx> Good and you charl
[15:19] <charl> i'm just taking a break now, i'm busy cleaning my apartment
[15:19] <charl> i'm doing well Golynx, just a bit exhausted right now :)
[15:19] <Kilos> i need the pin connections on a ecs p45t-a mobo for the front panel and on/off button
[15:19] <charl> the what?! :)
[15:20] <charl> oh a taiwanese motherboard?
[15:20] <Kilos> i hunted there by ecs site but i dont find where they so over there on the mobo is pin and 2 and you connect such and such there
[15:20] <Kilos> chinese i think
[15:21] <Kilos> i havent bothered to check the psu because i just took it out the box
[15:21] <Kilos> brandy noob
[15:22] <charl> so you need to know where to connect the power button to?
[15:22] <charl> the pins on the motherboard ...
[15:22] <Kilos> i hate these mod mobos that you push on button and mobo turns psu on
[15:22] <Golynx> Ah good charl
[15:22] <Kilos> yes please
[15:23] <charl> oh mobo = motherboard
[15:23] <charl> i'm already putting the puzzle together :)
[15:23] <Kilos> i found a row of 9 bins in bouble row but dunno which is which and what they for
[15:23] <Kilos> ya
[15:24] <Kilos> shorter to type man
[15:24] <Kilos> m/b
[15:24] <Kilos> is that better
[15:24] <charl> ok i found it
[15:24] <Kilos> i dunno what the correct abreviation is
[15:24] <charl> nah m/b looks like megabyte
[15:25] <charl> i never know it :)
[15:25] <Kilos> can you see the pins and what to connect to them
[15:25] <Golynx> How about "momb" lol
[15:25] <Kilos> i tried to find the user manual but just wasted data
[15:25] <charl> whow i hate trying to copy and paste out of a pdf document
[15:26] <Kilos> give me the link if you see it
[15:26] <Kilos> i dont mind going straight to a link
[15:26] <Golynx> lol charl, is that possible
[15:26] <Kilos> its the page after [age 100 times that wastes data
[15:27] <charl> i'll paste the part for you in a PM
[15:27] <Golynx> I have to convert the pdf to txt or html before i can copy anything
[15:28] <charl> Kilos: here's the pdf: http://eudownload.ecs.com.tw/dlfileecs/manual/mb/eng/p4/P45T_AV1/P45T-A_v2.pdf
[15:28] <charl> there is an illustration on page 30
[15:28] <charl> under the text "front panel header"
[15:28] <Kilos> ty charl
[15:28] <charl> np
[15:30] <Kilos> charl, is there a way to download that manual
[15:31] <charl> you should be able to fetch it straight with wget
[15:31] <charl> yeah it works
[15:31] <Kilos> wonderful ty will try that
[15:31] <charl> it's 1,9MB
[15:31] <Kilos> thats fine ty
[15:31] <charl> np
[15:32] <Kilos> its using 15 or 20 and getting nowhere thats frustrating
[15:33] <Kilos> wget rocks hey
[15:33] <charl> yeah
[15:33] <charl> i always use it when downloading large files
[15:33] <charl> firefox and the others suck at it and they are too slow
[15:33] <Kilos> yeah
[15:33] <charl> and then they cut off the download mid way and you have to use wget in any case
[15:33] <Kilos> i use wget especially for isos
[15:34] <Kilos> yeah with -c
[15:34] <charl> i can download files at close to 1gbps with wget without taxing the system
[15:34] <Kilos> wow
[15:34] <charl> yes i just enable -c as standard because if the download breaks off you never have worries, it restarts with the same filename
[15:35] <Kilos> i havent done it that way yet
[15:36] <Kilos> always wait to crash first
[15:37] <Golynx> There are lots of gui apps that you can set to auto resume download though.
[15:37] <Kilos> not as fast as wget
[15:37] <charl> i don't want gui apps, i try and do everything at the command line
[15:37] <Kilos> they need download managers and things
[15:38] <charl> the only two non-terminal applications i use are a web browser and vlc
[15:38] <charl> and on the occasion the gimp
[15:38] <Golynx> Oh ya linux peeps cant divorce their terminals lol
[15:39] <Kilos> lol
[15:39] <Kilos> youll get there and see the advantages at times
[15:39] <Golynx> I do everything in Opera browser, but for files bigger than 50MB i will use wget with -c
[15:41] <charl> brb
[15:43] <Kilos> hi jhb_hacker 
[15:44] <Golynx> hey jhb_hacker
[15:44] <jhb_hacker> hi guys
[16:09] <charl> hi jhb_hacker 
[16:09] <jhb_hacker> charl: how you?
[16:10] <charl> i'm great thanks yourself
[16:10] <jhb_hacker> not bad;
[16:11] <charl> wb somaunn 
[16:11] <somaunn> hi charl
[16:11] <somaunn> hi Kilos
[16:11] <Golynx> Hey somaunn
[16:12] <somaunn> hi Golynx
[16:15] <Kilos> hi somaunn sorery i was asleep
[16:15] <Kilos> dont forget tuesday night meeting hey guys
[16:15] <Kilos> 8.30 pm right here
[16:20] <Kilos> wb jhb_hacker 
[16:25] <Kilos> sorry, storm killed the power
[16:26] <somaunn> Kilos: no problem
[16:27] <somaunn> i got my calendar
[16:27] <somaunn> update
[16:27] <somaunn> updated
[16:27] <Kilos> cool
[16:29] <Golynx> From the looks of it broadband internet for all may be 20 years away  
[16:29] <charl> what is defined as broadband internet
[16:29] <Kilos> eish
[16:30] <charl> that definition is constantly changing
[16:30] <charl> in 20 years time the definition will be radically different than what it is today
[16:30] <Golynx> Too much corruption in SA though, causes alot of backlogs in construction 
[16:31] <Golynx> Well a good broadband speed will be able to download 1MB in less than 1 sec. For mobile networks ofcourse
[16:33] <Golynx> But ya , thats for Tuesday's discussion :)
[16:33] <Kilos> lol
[16:33] <Kilos> wont happen
[16:33] <Golynx> What wont happen
[16:33] <charl> 1MBps = 8mbps + protocol overhead
[16:34] <charl> so you are lookiong at 10mbps min
[16:34] <charl> that is very achievable with today's broadband technology
[16:34] <Kilos> best ive got is 560kB/s
[16:34] <Kilos> 1m is asking for to much
[16:35] <charl> hsdpa can do it
[16:35] <Kilos> in za?
[16:36] <Kilos> i have hsdpa and the utmc or something
[16:36] <Golynx> Hmm, if photons can achieve a speed 1000 times more than that then its possible in wireless internet
[16:36] <Kilos> normal spedd here is around 300 kB/s
[16:36] <charl> HSDPA comprises various versions with different data speeds. In 2009 the most common devices are category 6 (3.6 Mbit/s) and category 8 (7.2 Mbit/s) with retail prices around 60 euros without subscription.
[16:36] <charl> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access#User_Equipment_.28UE.29_categories
[16:37] <charl> but in the table below the speeds go up to 337.5mbps
[16:37] <charl> there is also this note: The maximum data rates given in the table are physical layer data rates. Application layer data rate is approximately 85% of that, due to the inclusion of IP headers (overhead information) etc.
[16:37] <charl> note now we are talking about hsdpa, we're not even talking 4g yet
[16:38] <inetpro> charl: I would say 80% if you are lucky
[16:39] <inetpro> you can write off about 20% for IP headers and overhead
[16:40] <charl> if you are downloading a lot of data, afaik ipv6 would reduce that with larger packet sizes
[16:40] <charl> (i speak under correction)
[16:50] <Kilos> charl, the connections are maybe capable of that speed but the isp's limit one
[16:50] <Kilos> my modem shows offline now
[16:50] <Kilos> hmm>
[16:50] <Kilos> ...
[16:51] <Kilos> red light on a zte means what
[16:52] <Golynx> Is'nt it supposed to flash green when offline 
[16:53] <Golynx> or are all modem lights different
[16:53] <Kilos> yay green flashing again
[16:54] <Golynx> lol cool :)
[16:54]  * Golynx sensed a glitch in the matrix
[16:54] <Kilos> solid green is offline but sees the connection
[16:55] <Kilos> slow flash is connected
[16:55] <Golynx> Mine is the other way round 
[16:55] <Kilos> lol
[16:55] <charl> Kilos: yeah they always do that i think
[16:56] <Kilos> since i set it up in minicom its very stable
[17:00] <Kilos> who knows what pins on a 24 pin power cable switch on the psu
[17:05] <Kilos> hey Golynx im lost
[17:06] <Kilos> didnt have probs before but ive forgotten how to make opera open in new tabs
[17:06] <Kilos> this forward back thing is driving me nuts
[17:07] <Golynx> You mean save last session Kilos 
[17:08] <Kilos> if you open 5 links from here i get one tab open there
[17:08] <Kilos> opens everything in a new tab on other drive
[17:09] <Kilos> i dunno what i mean, or i woulda sorted it
[17:09] <Golynx> What you mean by other drive ? Is it on 2 different pc's
[17:10] <Kilos> i have 3 drives in this pc, unity 64bit unity 32bit and kde each on its own drive
[17:10] <Kilos> choose on bott
[17:10] <Kilos> boot
[17:10] <Golynx> oh
[17:10] <Kilos> linux rocks
[17:11] <Kilos> when i set up the others i was a bit younger
[17:11] <Golynx> Then it may be an issue on that specific environment if its not happening on others
[17:12] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:14] <Kilos> found this for the psu
[17:14] <Kilos> http://pinouts.ru/Power/atx_v2_pinout.shtml
[17:14] <Golynx> On preferences >> Advanced >> Tabs is all the options though
[17:14] <Kilos> pin 16 to ground switches on
[17:14] <Kilos> lemme look
[17:17] <Kilos> ill need to go check them settings on another drive
[17:17] <Golynx> ok
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:32]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[17:32] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[17:33] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[17:33] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[17:33] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[17:33] <Maaz> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[17:34] <Kilos> ok
[17:35] <Kilos> Maaz, oumas
[17:35] <Maaz> Kilos: oumas are the bestest rusks
[17:35] <Kilos> what a clever bot
[17:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[17:36] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[17:38] <Golynx> lol
[17:40] <Golynx> I made about 30 different chatbots, but lost them all when i burried windows
[17:40] <Golynx> Atleast there was a good crowed at the funeral
[17:41] <Kilos> go work by xethron im sure the got win pcs there
[17:41] <Kilos> dont you have it all saved on your sisters fone
[17:42] <Golynx> had to remove some data though,  was too big to fit in the memory card
[17:43] <Golynx> I'm sure Xethron wont be needing my services. He looks very skilled already
[17:46] <Kilos> he said today they are looking for a web dev
[17:47] <Golynx> Ya he asked me via pm. But must ne around Jhb area.
[17:48] <Golynx> be*
[17:48] <Kilos> yeah so move to better internet
[17:48] <Kilos> hehe
[17:48] <inetpro> Kilos: we got a very welcome 14mm to cool us down again
[17:49] <Kilos> lekker inetpro i havent checked since it stopped
[17:50] <Golynx> Right now i'm pretty useless. Pc hardware wise and internet wise. 
[17:50] <Golynx> But i will get there 
[17:51] <Kilos> good
[18:20] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: hehe?
[18:32] <Kilos> ek lag jy man
[18:34] <inetpro> hoekom lag jy my?
[18:36] <Kilos> sommer net
[18:38] <inetpro> ok
[18:38] <inetpro> jou beurt is jou beurt
[18:39] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:39] <inetpro> superfly: you ready for Monday's discussion?
[18:40] <Kilos> ya give us a pointer to what the idea was
[18:40] <Kilos> so we can get peeps to research it
[18:40] <inetpro>  The current state of Internet in South Africa
[18:40]  * Kilos ducks
[18:40]  * charl runs
[18:41] <Kilos> mine works kiff
[18:41] <charl> mine too :P
[18:41] <Kilos> the point inetpro 
[18:41] <Kilos> ?
[18:42] <Golynx> Mine w...o...(error)...r..ks lol
[18:43] <inetpro> superfly: oops, not Monday but Tuesday
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: ?
[18:47] <Kilos> yessir
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: what you mean?
[18:47] <Kilos> i mean no good some saying its good and others saying its bad we need to find a way to improve both
[18:48] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volk partykeer
[18:49] <inetpro> are you suggesting we change the topic?
[18:49] <Kilos> no man
[18:50] <charl> that's it's bad should be an accepted fact
[18:50] <charl> what you need to ask yourself is how you are going to improve it
[18:50] <charl> lobbying government etc
[18:50] <Kilos> im hoping the fly has a brilliant plan in his noggin
[18:50] <inetpro> sure thing
[18:50] <charl> if everyone sits around and complains but nobody does anything
[18:50] <charl> then nothing will improve
[18:51] <charl> in the netherlands the internet was horrible until they took KPN out of monopoly
[18:51] <inetpro> well I guess the idea is to discuss this at our meeting
[18:51] <inetpro> and then take it from there
[18:51] <charl> then in a year or two the internet "exploded"
[18:51] <charl> yeah let's do that
[18:51] <Kilos> most peeps need pointing in a certain direction a week before the time
[18:52] <inetpro> wb somaunn
[18:52] <Kilos> wb somaunn 
[18:53] <Kilos> hi captine 
[18:53] <charl> hi captine
[18:53] <captine> hi kilos and all
[18:53] <charl> how's it going captine 
[18:54] <captine> could be better.  not sure what i did to my hdd on laptop when trying arch linux... think MBR or something is completely broken... going to try the "boot-repair" app now
[18:54] <Kilos> ouch
[18:54] <Kilos> whats it doing?
[18:54] <captine> yip.  installs all run fine, then fail with grub
[18:55] <captine> just doing an install memory stick now and will try again
[18:55] <Kilos> you got internet so thats good
[18:55] <Kilos> there is a tool called supergrub
[18:56] <captine> yip.  am using macbook now tho to do the burns etc...  tell me, has anyone here setup a pxe server for multiple distro installs?
[18:56] <Kilos> you burn to cd and boot from it and it will boot into the os
[18:56] <somaunn> thanks inetpro
[18:56] <somaunn> thanks Kilos
[18:56] <Kilos> it can fix grub probs too at times
[18:56] <captine> was trying but struggle to get it working (am a copy paste from how to's kind of guy, and haven't found a comprehensive how to yet...
[18:56] <Kilos> but boot-repair normally sorts probs
[18:57] <captine> Kilos: I have booted into ubuntu couple times and used gparted but no luck... when i break things, i do it properly... lol
[18:57] <Kilos> lol
[18:57] <Kilos> oh you played in gparted
[18:58] <Kilos> and chose option on the left
[18:58] <Kilos> hehe
[18:58] <captine> lol
[18:58] <Kilos> dont use that ever unless the drive is empty
[18:58] <captine> strange thing is after trying suss some time back, my bios picks up opens use and ubuntu as options -- even though the entire hdd has been formatted a couple times
[18:58] <captine> my drive is empty now... lol
[18:58] <Kilos> in gparted only use the partition option
[19:01] <captine> will remember that... ;)
[19:01] <Kilos> what did you have on it that you dont wanna lose
[19:01] <captine> i don't have anything.  did a full format
[19:01] <captine> everything is backed up
[19:01] <Kilos> ah
[19:01] <captine> was trying pc-bsd
[19:01] <Kilos> so what is boot-repair gonna help
[19:02] <captine> and antegros... but didn't succeed 
[19:02] <captine> not sure
[19:02] <captine> i installed ubuntu 
[19:02] <captine> and everything worked except grub
[19:02] <captine> so thought boot-repair would do the final trickl
[19:02] <Kilos> it wont do anything on a formatted drive
[19:02] <Kilos> boot from cd or stick and do a clean install
[19:02] <captine> I have tried that
[19:03] <captine> even using the auto partition
[19:03] <Kilos> oh you have ubuntu installed
[19:03] <captine> grub just fails to install
[19:03] <Kilos> sounds like sick mbr
[19:03] <Kilos> or drive not happy
[19:03] <captine> yip.  tried creating mbr in gparted... no success.
[19:03] <Golynx> Is the bios ok
[19:03] <captine> lol
[19:03] <Kilos> send it ill fix it
[19:03] <captine> :)
[19:04] <captine> thanks
[19:04] <Kilos> im trying to think
[19:04] <captine> i have a spare drive to test with to see if it is the drive... just no time to do all this now.
[19:04] <Kilos> there is another tool called ubcd
[19:04] <captine> got a 4 week old in the house
[19:04] <Kilos> but also to be careful with
[19:04] <captine> think it is something with efi partitions etc.... not 100% sure
[19:04] <Kilos> congrats man
[19:05] <captine>  thnx
[19:05] <Kilos> was it an efi drive
[19:06] <captine> weird thing on the installs is it always picks up the hdd as sda2, not 1
[19:06] <Kilos> or is it mixed up between that and mbr
[19:06] <captine> which I thought was weird
[19:06] <Kilos> very weird
[19:06] <Kilos> mbr and boot sector sick
[19:06] <Kilos> oh
[19:06] <Kilos> have you got a xp cd
[19:07] <captine> nope
[19:07] <Kilos> win 98?
[19:07] <captine> brb.  just going to room with a network cable.. -- no windows cc's.  only mac and linux
[19:07] <Kilos> ok go quick
[19:08] <Kilos> if you can borrow an xp cd we can fix mbr and boot with it
[19:09] <somaunn> captine:  is your drive a GPT or or not
[19:10] <inetpro> captine: hi
[19:10] <somaunn> also try to change disk settings from AHCI to IDE if you use an UEFI boot 
[19:10] <inetpro> captine: if you have a capable UEFI and LEGACY bios, put the bios in Legacy boot only or Both enabled with Legacy boot first
[19:13] <Kilos> so lekker to have others helping too
[19:13] <Kilos> yay
[19:13]  * Kilos relaxes
[19:13] <Golynx> lol
[19:14] <inetpro> ai!
[19:14] <Kilos> truth hurt hey
[19:14] <Kilos> i been struggling alone for a long time now
[19:15] <Kilos> these modern bios's mess with my head
[19:15] <inetpro> read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[19:16] <Kilos> did a week ago
[19:16] <Kilos> its the new bios for gpt drives
[19:16] <charl> i had this issue
[19:16] <charl> i had to disable uefi as well, 12.04 refused to boot
[19:16] <charl> but 12.10 worked perfectly
[19:16] <Kilos> yeah
[19:16] <Kilos> 12.04 dont like it
[19:17] <charl> it is on my new dell optiplex in the office
[19:17] <charl> it boots perfectly from usb but after install it refuses to boot from the HD
[19:17] <charl> and it also boots from the flash drive using uefi
[19:17] <Kilos> ya
[19:17] <Kilos> blank screen
[19:17] <charl> my old macbook pro also had uefi but there i had no problems
[19:18] <charl> strange stuff
[19:18] <Kilos> yeah sometimes it feels like we progress backwards
[19:18] <charl> uefi isn't stable yet
[19:18] <Kilos> till one gets to understand it all
[19:18] <inetpro> note: Ubuntu 32bit cannot boot in UEFI mode
[19:18] <charl> i was using the 64-bit
[19:20] <Kilos> in the bios you can disable the uefi thing
[19:20] <charl> yeah eventually i did that
[19:21] <charl> just moved to legacy boot
[19:21] <charl> a.k.a. working boot
[19:21] <Kilos> haha
[19:22] <Kilos> we need someone to work on that and sort it out so he can help us
[19:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:31] <Kilos> see ya all tomorrow
[19:32] <captine> inetpro: no such option.  but managed to get it installed now.  will re-join channel from ubuntu.
[19:35] <somaunn> going to sleep guys
[19:35] <somaunn> see you tomorrow