[00:00] <JuJuBee> hitsujiTMO: How else can I burn the ISO to USB?
[00:00] <hitsujiTMO> JuJuBee: dd
[00:02] <Vivekananda> anyone care to comment on my problem my firefox version is 25 and ubuntu 12.04
[00:03] <AHemlocksLie> hitsujiTMO,  "Unable to locate package ubuntu-release-upgrader-core"
[00:06] <hitsujiTMO> !info ubuntu-release-upgrader-core
[00:06] <hitsujiTMO> !info ubuntu-release-upgrader-core precise
[00:06] <vite> how much ram does the mini.iso use once installed and running?
[00:06] <hitsujiTMO> AHemlocksLie: that file doesn't exist in 12.04 it seems
[00:06] <hitsujiTMO> vite: depends on what you install
[00:07] <AHemlocksLie> The Ubuntu site says to install update-manager-core, and then run do-release-update, but do-release-update doesn't work
[00:07] <vite> if it was just the base system and nothing more
[00:07] <AHemlocksLie> er, do-release-upgrade. Says command not found
[00:07] <hitsujiTMO> AHemlocksLie: sudo do-release-upgrade
[00:08] <AHemlocksLie> hitsujiTMO, nope, no good
[00:08] <hitsujiTMO> vite: a minimal system will use about 50-80mb depending on which release iirc
[00:08] <vite> thanks
[00:09] <hitsujiTMO> !find /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade precise
[00:09] <AHemlocksLie> hitsujiTMO, speaking of minimals, would that matter?
[00:09] <AHemlocksLie> Because this is a minimal install
[00:09] <hitsujiTMO> AHemlocksLie: you should just need to install update-manager-core
[00:10] <AHemlocksLie> I just tried to reinstall it when you suggested reinstalling that other package, but it didn't help
[00:10] <glitsj16> Vivekananda: do you use a non-default theme with firefox by any chance? i saw the same issue a while back and it turned out to be caused by a theme that wasn't updated for recent firefox versions
[00:10] <hitsujiTMO> AHemlocksLie: whats the output of: which do-release-upgrade
[00:11] <AHemlocksLie> hitsujiTMO, no output at all
[00:11] <DrGrov> Hello hello
[00:12] <Vivekananda> glitsj16: yep but I am currently testing by disablign all the add ons and restarting firefox and that works fine
[00:12] <diagnostics247> Hello, I am trying to install canon drivers and got this after running the install.sh "An error occurred. The package management system cannot be identified."
[00:12] <hitsujiTMO> AHemlocksLie: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && sudo apt-get -s purge --yes update-manager-core | pastebinit
[00:13] <Dureiken> hitsujiTMO : is that normal than on a fresh install of ubuntu my home folder is 1.4G/1.4G ?? nothing installed
[00:13] <pejman_> hi
[00:13] <pejman_> im pejman
[00:13] <pejman_> im have trouble
[00:13] <pejman_> no surround sound on ubuntu
[00:13] <pejman_> i use a HDMI output
[00:13] <hitsujiTMO> Dureiken: whats the output of: df -h
[00:14] <AHemlocksLie> hitsujiTMO, pastebinit uses an API that claims to be disabled
[00:14] <second> pejman_ ati card?
[00:14] <hitsujiTMO> AHemlocksLie: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && sudo apt-get -s purge --yes update-manager-core | pastebinit -b https://paste.ubuntu.com
[00:14] <second> i never managed to get surround through ati hdmi
[00:14] <pejman_> second: yes
[00:15] <glitsj16> Vivekananda: to confirm the issue is with the theme, you could enable all add-ons again and see if the default theme works with those installed
[00:15] <Dureiken> hitsujiTMO : I sent you in PM not to pollute channel
[00:15] <AHemlocksLie> hitsujiTMO, Unknown website, please post a bugreport to request this pastebin to be added (https://paste.ubuntu.com)
[00:15] <hitsujiTMO> Dureiken: i can't see pms. sudo apt-get -s purge --yes update-manager-core | pastebinit -b https://paste.ubuntu.com
[00:15] <hitsujiTMO> Dureiken: i can't see pms. sudo apt-get -s purge --yes update-manager-core | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[00:15] <Vivekananda> glitsj16: I just reset firefox and now the thing is working
[00:16] <hitsujiTMO> doh. without the s
[00:16] <Vivekananda> I am not sure what got corrected on doing the reset
[00:16] <glitsj16> Vivekananda: weel sometimes magic is the best way to fix things
[00:16] <pejman_> second: I got th ATI radeon HD 5570
[00:16] <Vivekananda> lol sure it is
[00:17] <hitsujiTMO> Dureiken: sorry: i can't see pms. df -h | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[00:17] <Dureiken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6811484/
[00:17] <hitsujiTMO> AHemlocksLie: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && sudo apt-get -s purge --yes update-manager-core | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[00:18] <hitsujiTMO> Dureiken: sudo du -hd1 /home
[00:18] <Vivekananda> glitsj16: there is another thing that is getting messed up in ubuntu. Normally I could move windows around by right click --> send to workspace 2 or something like this. this worked in the previous lts But for the current one when I do this the window just gets lost
[00:18] <Vivekananda> is this is a CCSM issue or something else
[00:18] <AHemlocksLie> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6811487/
[00:19] <Dureiken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6811489/
[00:19] <pejman_> Is it possible to enable a digital output for HDMI
[00:19] <pejman_> i mean 5.1 digital sound output
[00:19] <mikeadams> anyone have a system76 starling netbook?
[00:20] <pejman_> cause i have the option on analog but not on digital
[00:20] <glitsj16> Vivekananda: might be ccsm yes, i'd check what you have there for 'Desktop Size' in the 'General Options' .. you do have a 2nd workspace?
[00:20] <hitsujiTMO> AHemlocksLie: so you've installed gnome too?
[00:21] <alazyworkaholic> Fast user account switching fails very often to an unresponsive black screen & flashing cursor. How can I figure out what the problem is?
[00:21] <hitsujiTMO> AHemlocksLie: sudo apt-get purge --yes update-manager-core && sudo apt-get install update-manager-core update-manager-gnome
[00:21] <AHemlocksLie> hitsujiTMO, I didn't intentionally, but if it was a dependency, it would've been installed. Kinda useless to me on a server
[00:21] <Vivekananda> where is general options ?
[00:22] <glitsj16> Vivekananda: should be in the top section, or if you choose General in the sidebar it should be there as well
[00:23] <glitsj16> Vivekananda: in ccsm
[00:23] <AHemlocksLie> hitsujiTMO, they seemed to install okay, but I still don't get do-release-upgrade
[00:23] <hitsujiTMO> Dureiken: sudo du -hd1 /home/mineur
[00:23] <Dureiken> I think it was catalyst driver install
[00:23] <Dureiken> 600M/1.4G after reboot
[00:24] <hitsujiTMO> Dureiken: ahh that could do it
[00:25] <hitsujiTMO> AHemlocksLie: out of ideas then. i'd expect it to be related to the gnome stuff tho
[00:25] <Dureiken> hitsujiTMO : I tested imageUSB on windows and it worked for cloning ubuntu usb key :)
[00:25] <AHemlocksLie> hitsujiTMO, I appreciate you trying. I'll see if I can dig something up, but it's not going well so far...
[00:27] <sudormrf> can anyone in here help me out with some cron job stuff?
[00:31] <mojtaba> Hi, Is the next release LT?
[00:32] <glitsj16> mojtaba: yes, in april 14.04 will be the next LTS
[00:32] <mojtaba> glitsj16: Is the LTS the most stable version?
[00:32] <basiclaser> hey guys
[00:32] <TaiSHi> Question: package python3-pkg-resources requires pip 1.5 but python3-pip is 1.4.1
[00:32] <basiclaser> how can i prepare an iso on an external HDD for boot?
[00:33] <TaiSHi> How do I fix that?
[00:33] <glitsj16> mojtaba: yes
[00:33] <mojtaba> glitsj16: I will stick to that release.
[00:33] <glitsj16> sudormrf: what is the issue exactly with the cron job?
[00:35] <sudormrf> glitsj16, actually I think it may be with syntax
[00:35] <glitsj16> sudormrf: could very well be, also use full paths
[00:37] <TaiSHi> I've tried installing web version of pip but wont work
[00:38] <glitsj16> sudormrf: does the cron job work when ran from terminal? that should be the easiest way to see if syntax is involved .. once you have it working in terminal and use full paths there's a very good chance the cronjob will start working
[00:38] <sudormrf> glitsj16, actually it may be with rsync.  just to verify the basic syntax would be like rsync /location/of/files/to/copy /copy/destination
[00:41] <sudormrf> glitsj16, I fixed it.
[00:41] <glitsj16> sudormrf: nice, one less thing :)
[00:44] <alazyworkaholic> Fast user account switching fails very often to an unresponsive black screen & flashing cursor. How can I figure out what the problem is?
[00:45] <sudormrf> glitsj16, I think it's all sorted now.
[00:45] <Guest97738> Hi, so I have netflix running good on Ubuntu 12.04, and I'm using User Agent overriders for both of my browsers into spoofing netflix into thinking I'm windows. These overriders are always in the top right hand corner of both my browsers, firefox and chrome. My question is, do these make my browsers turn into windows in all that I do online? I mean, will I get outside bugs like windows can get by having these agent overriders there?
[00:46] <underscore> 13.10 rocks!
[00:46] <glitsj16> basiclaser: same way as preparing an iso on a DVD or on a USB stick --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[00:48] <vidaloca> .msg vidaloca test
[00:50] <yours> Hey guys i am new to useing Xbuntu laptop can someone help me with my problem??
[00:51] <daftykins> yours: ask a question
[00:51] <yours> Everytime i try to download something it asks for a password but i dont know the password??
[00:51] <yours> What do i do to change the password??
[00:52] <underscore> Ctrl + t
[00:53] <underscore> passwd
[00:53] <underscore> old password
[00:53] <underscore> new twice
[00:53] <underscore> :)
[00:53] <underscore> ho
[00:54] <glitsj16> Guest97738: look for a user-agent spoofing add-on that you can configure for specific sites, that way your general browsing experience should be the least affected
[00:54] <underscore> if you don't know the old pwd it different
[00:54] <reyman> sudo passwd "yours user"
[00:55] <underscore> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-forgotten-ubuntu-password-in-2-minutes-or-less/
[00:55] <underscore> old but should work
[00:56] <Guest97738> glitsj16, so I only want them to watch netflix. So, should I go get the user-agent spoofer add-on every time to watch it, so that I don't have to have it on every site? Do you know a work around that?
[00:56] <mikubuntu> ugh. i installd lub 13.04 from disk, and then took the offered version upgrade to 13.10 -- during the upgrade i noted that there was a message about some part of the installation being broken, and i might want to run "gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders etc..." -- sure enough at the end of the upgrade the box hung up on boot at splash screen, so i pulled up the term and ran the command from the install term. permission denied. any ideas where
[00:57] <Guest97738> sorry, there are only one or two that really work.
[00:58] <Guest97738> -that work to watch netflix, I mean for each browser.
[00:58] <glitsj16> Guest97738: you can keep the add-on installed all the time if it is capable of setting it up to only spoof your user-agent on netflix .. i don't know what browsers you use but there should be several that offer that option
[00:58] <Guest97738> hummm I didn't know that. O.k. I'll look into that. thanks!
[00:59] <glitsj16> Guest97738: no trouble
[01:00] <Guest97738> I have another question. I know Ubuntu 12.04 is a great LTS distro, but some people are raving about 13.10. It only last about 6 mo. right? Why is it so good when we have to go and get 14.04 LTS pretty soon?
[01:00] <Guest97738> I mean, is it worth it to get and have to set up another one so soon?
[01:01] <underscore> Guest97738
[01:01] <glitsj16> Guest97738: i would wait for the 14.04, but that's me
[01:01] <Sirwin> Hello, i have issues with sound on alsa-mixer but my sound in general is working
[01:01] <underscore> backup your /etc/ and you home conf
[01:01] <Guest97738> ya, I think so too. thanks again
[01:02] <underscore> and your package list
[01:02] <fabio123> hi, just wondering which one  is faster uxa vs sna
[01:02] <fabio123> because with my intel hd uxa seems faster
[01:02] <underscore> dpkg --get-selections
[01:03] <underscore> > package_file.txt
[01:03] <underscore> dpkg --set-selections < package_file.txt
[01:03] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: did you try running the command with sudo? if you see an error mentioning permission denied that's usually the issue ..
[01:04] <shovel_boss> hello
[01:04] <shovel_boss> does amd work on ubuntu
[01:04] <shovel_boss> debian fucks up with catalyst
[01:04] <Sirwin> is there issues with alsa-mixer thats on HDMI output?
[01:06] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: dOH! ok, will try again with sudo.
[01:07] <Sirwin> is anyone experienced with audio issues on Ubuntu 13.10?
[01:08] <glitsj16> Sirwin: there's bound to be issues with any package, you can do a search on reported bugs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs .. use the correct package name though, are you refering to alsamixergui?
[01:08] <Sirwin> glitsj16: my sound in general works except for in browsers
[01:08] <Sirwin> i output to HDMI
[01:09] <Sirwin> im not sure why but I think thats the issue with the alsa mixer
[01:09] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: no, still permission denied
[01:10] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: or is it an apt-get? so sudo apt-get gdk ... etc?
[01:11] <yours_> Hey
[01:12] <yours_> Is this Xbuntu help line??
[01:13] <Sirwin> how do I install flash?
[01:13] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: just checked, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev seems to hold that gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders command, so you could try .. sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev *then* try the command again
[01:13] <bekks> !flash | Sirwin
[01:14] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: i could run that without sudo, not familiar with it though
[01:15] <yours_> Hey how do i finde out my password for softwer center on Xbuntu
[01:15] <dnr> hi all, I'm running into this bug with 13.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1238194  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1066376
[01:15] <dnr> i can boot into an old 3.5.0 kernel (leftover from 12.10), but any newer kernel doesn't work (and i've tried at least six assorted ones from the mainline ppa)
[01:16] <dnr> i'd like to upgrade to 13.10, but i'm worried that will break things even more
[01:16] <impossible> what does "-y"
[01:17] <dnr> i've also tried all the workarounds mentioned on those bug threads, and none worked for me
[01:17] <bekks> impossible: Depends on the command.
[01:18] <dnr> does anyone have any experience with that situation?
[01:18] <impossible> bekks, like sudo apt-get install empathy -y?
[01:18] <bekks> impossible: For apt-get, "man apt-get" describes what -y will do.
[01:20] <impossible> bekks, THanks!
[01:20] <impossible> manuall is awesome
[01:21] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: i think i'm just going to reinstall 04. is 04 the last one before unity was added?
[01:21] <mikubuntu> hate unity
[01:25] <second> unity is not that bad once you stop comparing it to gnome 2
[01:25] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: you can always opt to install another DE instead of unity
[01:26] <RaptorJesus> unity is clunky
[01:26] <RaptorJesus> and slow
[01:26] <RaptorJesus> like downs syndrome slow
[01:27] <second> well, i change my pc every year or 2 so i havent noticed any speed issue
[01:28] <second> but maybe on older pc's its heavy
[01:28] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: yes, i know, just tired of wrestling. lol. say i wonder why i couldn't install ubuntu studio desktop packages into a lubuntu machine -- is there some impediment, or is the impediment me?
[01:28] <second> still i dont find it bad
[01:28] <mikubuntu> i just think unity is ugly and unintuitive
[01:30] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: there's a meta-package called ubuntustudio-desktop that will pull in all packages, should be available on lubuntu too, not sure but easily checked
[01:32] <sheilaj> join #drupal-pnw
[01:32] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: wondering with the following lspci if i should install a 64 bit or 32 bit on this box
[01:32] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: sorry -- http://pastebin.com/uFtJZYqX
[01:34] <inkay> All my linux  niggaz say yweeaa
[01:35] <inkay> No real niggaz in here then
[01:36] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit has instructions on how to check capability of your CPU .. lspci is not good to determine that
[01:36] <zatan> hey how can I get GPG key ? W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available
[01:36] <inkay> Yall be some cracker ass honky windows whiteboys
[01:37] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: k, lemme look
[01:37] <inkay> *breaks opena f
[01:38] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: if you can go 64bit, go for it .. these days you can run 32bit apps on a 64bit ubuntu without problems, not the other way around
[01:39] <glitsj16> zatan: are you using a debian repo on ubuntu?
[01:40] <zatan> glitsj16, its looks that digitalocean
[01:41] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: i'm still confused after reading the page -- the box is an hp dv7 4273 with amd ultimate vision cpu i guess -- would you say go 64?
[01:42] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: not sure if its post '08, i got it at garage sale last saturday
[01:42] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: what is the output of grep --color=always -iw lm /proc/cpuinfo ?
[01:43] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: lemme see
[01:43] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: if you see 'lm' in red your good to go 64bit, if not .. 32bit
[01:43] <glitsj16> zatan: digitalocean cloud hosting?
[01:44] <zatan> glitsj16, yep seems that I have managed to fix cheers
[01:45] <Guest44308> Hi, guys, so I have netflix working good on a laptop with ubuntu 12.04, but working terrible on a desktop with Ubuntu 12.04. What would make the netflix be choppy in pic and sound on that older desktop with netflix?
[01:46] <SeaSki> the video card/driver
[01:46] <Guest44308> o.k. so is that fixable, me of no computer smarts?
[01:46] <SeaSki> oh yes
[01:46] <Guest44308> how?
[01:47] <SeaSki> i usually get my cards off craigslist, if its the driver look on /software and drivers n check to see if you have proprietary driver or xorg driver
[01:48] <SeaSki> its probably using onboard video
[01:48] <Guest44308> and me of no linux smarts, where do you go look for that, in the folder?
[01:49] <Laire> Hello I try to install proftpd, with virtual users, but I can't connect. I get this error in the log file: error: unable to open passwd file '/etc/proftpd/ftpd.passwd': Permission denied
[01:50] <Guest44308> so desktops are different than laptops with the video drivers, obviously.  umm
[01:52] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: yes 'lm' in red several times
[01:53] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: nice, the garage sale presented you with a 64bit capable system, go for it
[01:53] <Guest44308> how do I see if I have proprietary driver or xorg driver?
[01:53] <Guest44308> on Ubuntu 12.04
[01:54] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: ok, so i guess i should start with an ubuntu 13.10 64 bit install, and then add LXDE options and UbuntuStudio packages after?
[01:55] <tonyt> why not just install ubuntustudio to begin with
[01:56] <cappicard> time to upgrade virtual box. :)
[01:57] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: tonyt has a point
[01:59] <tonyt> thats what i would do :)
[01:59] <NastyNaz> what's the easiest way to clone a partition from one usb drive to another?
[02:00] <Korny> Anyone good with getting disks to spin down in ubuntu?  I'm trying to get an empty drive to spin down, I forced it to spindown with hdparm -y yet it wakes up randomly, the disk is brand new to the system so no applications should be writing to it
[02:00] <bekks> Korny: Forcing spindowns will heavily lower lifetime of the disk.
[02:00] <bekks> I do recommend to not spin down disks at all.
[02:01] <Korny> bekks most disks are rated for 200,000 + spin downs
[02:01] <bekks> LOL, thats a lie, honestly.
[02:01] <bekks> 200.000 spindowns with 180.000h MTBF would mean that you spin down your disk more than once in an hour.
[02:01] <Korny> I'm looking a 2-3 hour idle time before spin down, its a media server that can go days inbetween a disk getting accessed
[02:03] <Laire> Hello I try to install proftpd, with virtual users, but I can't connect. I get this error in the log file: error: unable to open passwd file '/etc/proftpd/ftpd.passwd': Permission denied. when I change with chmod to 644 i get the error  mod_auth_file/1.0: unable to use world-readable AuthUserFile '/etc/proftpd/ftpd.passwd': Operation not permitted
[02:05] <dunpeal> Hi. I'm trying to boot a new Ubuntu installation, but it fails. I suspect that is because the UEFI is looking for sda1/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi, while sda1/EFI is currently an empty directory.
[02:05] <dunpeal> How do I address that?
[02:05] <markovirc> Hello dunpeal
[02:05] <dunpeal> hi!
[02:05] <markovirc> Hello dunpeal
[02:05] <tonyt> i disabled uefi in my bioos dunpeal
[02:06] <Guest93930> salut a tous
[02:06] <tonyt> also got rid of gpt . no reason for it . why anyone would want to mkae more than 4 partitions on one drive is beyond me :)
[02:07] <Guest93930> salut a tous ... je cherche quelqu'un qui pourrais me guider sur linux
[02:08] <wahibdon> auto login in Xfce, how do I do it?  editing /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to add my username to autologin-user and setting autologin-user-timeout to 0 and uncommenting both line does not work.
[02:13] <dunpeal> How do I install Ubuntu in Legacy mode
[02:13] <bekks> dunpeal: go into your bios, disable uefi.
[02:19] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: ok, so i need to find 64 bit download of ubuntustudio
[02:19] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: and start over again .. lol
[02:20] <unreal-dude> i am having an issue with ccsm and window snap where the title bars are taking up additional space under the top bar. anyone know off hand if this can be fixed?
[02:21] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: well, see it as good practice ;)
[02:21] <lindgrenj6> ok so i have an issue, I'm running the gnome desktop environment and basically every time i boot all i get is a black flashing cursor, then i reboot using alt+shift+f2 and then the login screen shows fine. Any way to fix this?
[02:22] <lindgrenj6> anyone?
[02:22] <zedzdead> Hello
[02:22] <markovirc> Hello zedzdead
[02:23] <zedzdead> I always end up coming back to xubuntu :P
[02:23] <zedzdead> Seeing as my manjaro install broke
[02:23] <zedzdead> D;
[02:24] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: i was being lazy today i guess. the laptop wouldn't charge and i din't know if it was the internal connection to the motherboard or the charger itself. i searched ebay and found a replacement charger for $12, but there is a local batteries plus franchise that said they would test the charger i have -- so i went there, and after testing, they said my charger was bad, and they had a replacement for $60. but i din't have $60
[02:24] <zedzdead> So what did you do?
[02:26] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: the $12 one. then i went thru my box of old bricks, and found a dell charger with nearly the same specs, 19.5 volts and 90 watts, instead of 19 volts and 90 watts, and its working off of it. hope the extra .5  volts won't get me in trouble, but i want to get the machine working.
[02:26] <zedzdead> A few volts never hurt anyone ;)
[02:26] <glitsj16> lol
[02:27] <unreal-dude> only gonna heat up something by a few milli degrees
[02:28] <mikubuntu> unreal-dude: its definitely running a little hot -- might be clogged up with dust also, gotta find a can of air tomorrow
[02:28] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: there's #hardware, they should be able to give you good advise
[02:28] <zedzdead> mikubuntu you may want to look into getting air compressors, so you dont have to keep buying cans. compressors will save you money in the long run
[02:29] <mikubuntu> now i see ubuntustudio is going to have to go on a usb stick it's 2gb -- i hope that box will boot from usb -- it must, right?
[02:30] <mikubuntu> zedzdead: i din't know you could use a compressor thought the air had to be 'purified' or something .. lol .. are you talking about a little compressor you buy at the drugstore?
[02:31] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: in case the BIOS doesn't support it, look for something called PloP boot manager, that can boot from CD drive and hand-off the rest to USB
[02:31] <unreal-dude> id be careful with comressors, they can get condensed water vapor
[02:32] <mikubuntu> zedzdead: unreal-dude yes, i knew i had heard something about using compressors
[02:32] <mikubuntu> but the damn cans of air are EXPENSIVE
[02:33] <wahibdon> a compressor should have a bleeder to get the condensation out.
[02:33] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: plop boot mgr -- but how will i burn the iso part to the disk?
[02:34] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: let's hope it isn't needed, i just threw it in in case it doesn't .. the iso has to be on the USB, plop will need to be burned to disk
[02:35] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: ok, going to look at the bios now
[02:35] <glitsj16> so you can follow the same instructions on how to get the ubuntustudio iso onto a USB stick
[02:36] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: yes was goint to unet ustudio onto a stick, gotta find out if thats viable
[02:37] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: that should work yes
[02:39] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: this is not a very old box -- i can't believe it but the boot sequence options only include cd-rom, floppy (floppy?), and internal network adapter boot
[02:41] <mikubuntu> time to look for plop
[02:41] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: http://www.plop.at/en/ploplinux/index.html
[02:42] <hurock> question here: when I plug my netbook to my TV with a VGA cable, is it the CPU (integrated graphics) or the TV, that processes the video?
[02:43] <unreal-dude> anything that comes out a vga, dvi, hdmi, rca w/e cable is only displayed by the tv
[02:44] <guest__________> I want to create a script that automatically downloads select applications from the Ubuntu Software Center and their respective updates.  This is for a new Linux install on a friends laptop.
[02:44] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: you could use the option 8 --> boot from iso, no need to burn anything in that case
[02:44] <guest__________> Where can I go to learn how to create this script?
[02:44] <RaptorJesus> anyone here use open-mesh.com?
[02:45] <unreal-dude> apt-get install -y software packages by name seperated by spaces
[02:45] <hurock> unreal-dude: ok, so it puts less stress on the CPU then?
[02:45] <glitsj16> hurock: your GPU will do the heavy lifting, the TV is just seen as another monitor
[02:45] <unreal-dude> you should probably do an apt-get update first
[02:46] <unreal-dude> no hurock, its already processed on the machine
[02:47] <blocky> anybody here running 14.04 alpha?
[02:47] <Umeaboy> Hmmmmmmmmmm.
[02:47] <hurock> ok, well, because I read that my netbook wouldn't be powerful enough to display 720p video, but I had no problem doing so while plugged to my TV
[02:47] <Umeaboy> I'm trying to find a .deb of the deprecated project called rootstock.
[02:47] <Umeaboy> Where might that be?
[02:48] <Umeaboy> I've looked at launchpad.net
[02:48] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: omg, i think that's getting over my head -- think i'll just download the 64 bit ubuntu in 11 mins when the studio dl is complete -- then i'll just add the packages. at least i know that path, even if its a longer way around.
[02:48] <Umeaboy> Not using Ubuntu and I want to port this to my dist.
[02:49] <guest__________> unreal-dude - what does the "-y" do?
[02:50] <RaptorJesus> yes?
[02:50] <guest__________> I tried searching on Google of the command but no go.
[02:50] <unreal-dude> tells it to answer yes to the question of whether to install, it assumes you know what you just asked it to install
[02:51] <Umeaboy> I think --auto would assume yes as well.
[02:51] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: not a bad idea, these GRUB things can get messy, and taking the long way home using familiar ground is a good idea actually
[02:51] <african> Need a UX/UI person to help me out. Can throw a crypto tip as good will :) Shoot me a PM
[02:51] <SomeDamnBody> what is the equivalent of windows C:\Python27\include for linux?
[02:51] <unreal-dude> man apt-get shows '-y --yes --assume-yes' automatic yes to prompts
[02:52] <SomeDamnBody> as well as C:\Python27\DLLs\?
[02:53] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: wait, didn't you say your machine doesn't support booting from USB?
[02:54] <unreal-dude> i would expect that to be /usr/lib/python2.7/
[02:54] <jeffrey_f> Already asked at #vbox and waiting.   In virtual box, how do I make a physical USB port a virtual COMx port?
[02:55] <RaptorJesus> Hey does anyone know if it's possible to block bittorrent with a dd-wrt router?
[02:55] <Korny> yes
[02:57] <RaptorJesus> hmm
[02:57] <Korny> under access restrictions
[02:57] <Umeaboy> jeffrey_f: dkms solves alot. ;)
[02:57] <Korny> blocked services
[02:58] <SomeDamnBody> unreal-dude, that's not exactly right...
[02:58] <SomeDamnBody> I need the exact shared object.
[02:58] <SomeDamnBody> I can't find a python.so for the life of me...
[02:58] <jeffrey_f> Umeaboy: Please elaborate.
[03:00] <zedzdead> Hello I have a quick question. Is anyone here able to answer?
[03:00] <kostkon> !anyone | zedzdead
[03:01] <unreal-dude> SomeDamnBody im seeing the .so's in /usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload/
[03:01] <SomeDamnBody> ah ok
[03:01] <SomeDamnBody> thanks... maybe that's it
[03:01] <zedzdead> Very well. When I type the command "sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig" It returns that it cannot find the package. What do?
[03:01] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: yeah, but i'm
[03:01] <SomeDamnBody> unreal-dude, that's definitely not it
[03:02] <SomeDamnBody> that's got to be internal to python by the looks of the names
[03:02] <Umeaboy> jeffrey_f: You wanted to emulate the USB-port, right? :)
[03:02] <Umeaboy> Check if dkms-vboxadditions is installed.
[03:03] <jeffrey_f> Umeaboy: want my physical USB port to be a COMx port in vbox
[03:03] <Nareik> I'm trying to run linux through a USB drive on my older laptop and keep getting "could not mount /dev/loop0" which seems to be a common problem from using the CD/DVD disk..However i'm using a usb stick. Following the ubuntu website i used 'http://www.pendrivelinux.com' to make a usb installer. Are there any better ways to create this usb installer to fix this issue that anyone knows?
[03:03] <Umeaboy> It might be named something else on Ubuntu.
[03:03] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: yeah, but i'm going to copy to a stick for use on other machines -- planning to go to costa rica as soon as i get a cheap flight, and i always do some rescues down there
[03:03] <Umeaboy> OK.
[03:03] <jeffrey_f> Umeaboy: Yes it is
[03:03] <Umeaboy> Hmmmmmmm. I think you should Google.
[03:03] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: from microsux
[03:03] <zedzdead> E: Unable to locate package nvidia-xconfig
[03:03] <zedzdead> Halp!
[03:04] <jeffrey_f> Umeaboy: doing that
[03:04] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: ow okay, just lost track a bit while exchanging ideas
[03:04] <Umeaboy> jeffrey_f: Might THIS be of any use? http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstackoverflow.com%2Fquestions%2F5347962%2Fhow-to-connect-to-a-terminal-to-serial-usb-device-on-ubuntu-10-10&ei=rCnjUqTKFKuMyQO714CgAw&usg=AFQjCNG3pHqBjb6W7aldqzsPnU-upv_A5Q&sig2=b4ozQAk1jAMYJHPjkE6F4Q
[03:06] <Umeaboy> Narik: Boot your computer using Gparted live-version (with another USB-key or a CD) & then empty it.
[03:06] <Umeaboy> Format it to fat32. ;)
[03:07] <Nareik> I will look into that
[03:07] <glitsj16> zedzdead: nvidia-xconfig is a command, not an installable package as you found out .. what card do you have exactly? and on what version of ubuntu are you? (you can use .. lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A 2 .. to find out quickly)
[03:07] <Nareik> Thank you
[03:08] <Umeaboy> Nareik: Your welcome.
[03:08] <Umeaboy> You're
[03:08] <zedzdead> glits I was able to do sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig while on mint 16 so why not ubuntu? My gard is a GTX 770 and I installed the nvidia-304 drivers via synaptic. I have also blacklisted noveau in the blacklist.conf file.  However I am still worried that when I reboot I will get the dreaded black screen.
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[03:09] <glitsj16> zedzdead: i was able to run like lightning when i was 10, now it doesn't run that way anymore :) .. mint != ubuntu
[03:10] <JuJuBee> I did  a fresh install earlier and could not get software-center to open.  SO, I re-downloaded 13.10 64bit and just completed a fresh install and same issue.  Software center will not load.
[03:10] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: i'm putting this studio on a 16gb stick, and unet asking me how much space to preserve files across reboots can you advise?
[03:10] <zedzdead> Ok... so how can I make sure I don't get freaking black screen when I reboot. I blacklisted the stupid noveau drivers and installed the nvidia drivers. How can I guarantee I will not have to reinstall xubuntu after reboot...?
[03:11] <glitsj16> zedzdead: you should be fine, and if not, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and/or join the channel again for help
[03:11] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: you can't use more than 4GB for persistence iirc
[03:11] <zedzdead> What exactly am I supposed to be looking for in that log file?
[03:12] <glitsj16> zedzdead: errors are marked with (EE) if they show up, should jump out
[03:12] <JuJuBee> trying to run software-center from cli = http://paste.ubuntu.com/6812092/
[03:12] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: how much is that in megabytes? 400?
[03:13] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: 4x1024 MB
[03:13] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: so i should set at 4000 mbs?
[03:13] <zedzdead> glits I didnt see any EE but I saw a lot of NOVEAU and that makes me nervous. How can I make sure I have purged noveau and How can I make sure that upon reboot the nvidia-304 drivers will be used?
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: did you update your system?
[03:13] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: isn't there a slider you can use? if not use 4096
[03:14] <JuJuBee> apt-get upgrade? lotuspsychje
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: no, i mean update to latest updates
[03:14] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: ok, processing
[03:15] <glitsj16> zedzdead: if you install the nvidia drivers from apt-get they take care of blacklisting nouveau automatically, it isn't usefull to uninstall nouveau
[03:15] <JuJuBee> I thought apt-get update && apt-get upgrade = latest updates
[03:15] <zedzdead> glitis: oh ok. But there is no xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/ should I be worried?
[03:15] <zedzdead> lspci
[03:16] <RaptorJesus> dist-upgrade
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: sounds like this bug maybe https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+question/221414
[03:16] <glitsj16> zedzdead: that's the default yes, no xorg.conf these days .. but you can always make one if needed by using that earlier command you mentioned, nvidia-xconfig
[03:16] <RaptorJesus> or update
[03:17] <zedzdead> glitsj16: well I tried running nvidia-xconfig and come back with this WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file.
[03:17] <zedzdead> ERROR: Unable to write to directory '/etc/X11'.
[03:17] <glitsj16> zedzdead: needs sudo
[03:18] <JuJuBee> lotuspsychje: thanks for that.   They list a few different solutions.  I think I will try the one that purges software center
[03:18] <zedzdead> I ran as sudo and it still came back with the same error. IS it because I have no xorg.conf file?
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: yes, the end guy says tnx to the mark solution
[03:19] <glitsj16> zedzdead: yes
[03:19] <zedzdead> ok and what will this command do? sudo rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:20] <glitsj16> zedzdead: that will remove the file, -f is force
[03:20] <zedzdead> oh.....
[03:21] <glitsj16> zedzdead: why not wait untill after reboot to see if you actually need an xorg.conf?
[03:21] <zedzdead> I think ill just reboot and hope the nvidia-304 drivers get used. How can I make sure that they do though
[03:21] <zedzdead> Well becasue I am afradi that if I do reboot the drivers will not be used thus causing a black screen
[03:22] <glitsj16> zedzdead: i can understand you want to make sure, but sooner or later you will have to reboot
[03:22] <corp_drone> h3ll0 h0w t0 us3 l1nux t0 h4ck
[03:22] <corp_drone> ?
[03:22] <zedzdead> ok but how do I make sure the nvidia-304 drivers are used?.... that is all I need to know
[03:22] <hitsujiTMO> !text | zedzdead:  this should be enough to get you to the cli if it fails
[03:22] <zedzdead> corp_drone: sudo apt-get install gentoo
[03:23] <glitsj16> zedzdead: we can confirm the drivers are installed without problems .. did you get any errors when installing them?
[03:23] <corp_drone> d0 1 typ3 1t in this ch4t?
[03:23] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | corp_drone
[03:24] <zedzdead> no corp_drone you type shutdown -r now
[03:24] <corp_drone> hitsujiTMO, pl34s3 h0w to h4ck
[03:24] <corp_drone> shutdown -r now
[03:24] <hitsujiTMO> corp_drone: enough, please take your trolling elsewhere
[03:24] <corp_drone> ok :)
[03:24] <corp_drone> ;)
[03:24] <corp_drone> le epic trolling
[03:24] <zedzdead> Be careful he might haxor u
[03:25] <corp_drone> zedzdead, 1 4m l34rn1ng
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> can i set pan to force more then 4 threads somewhere?
[03:27] <zedzdead> Yes! I rebooted and the drivers were recognized! Le epic win XD
[03:27] <manuel> hola
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> !es | manuel
[03:28] <zedzdead> English only please...
[03:28] <manuel> :/ sorry
[03:28] <zedzdead> No problem, manual
[03:30] <zedzdead> Anyone else here have Steam running? Or use Steam?
[03:31] <hitsujiTMO> quite a few peeps do
[03:31] <diagnostics247> Yes
[03:31] <hitsujiTMO> also in #ubuntu-steam
[03:32] <qin> yup, zedzdead, i bet many people do
[03:32] <zedzdead> Ok well when you installed the .deb Did it prompt you to install extra packages? extra libs?
[03:33] <hitsujiTMO> zedzdead: yessum
[03:33] <hitsujiTMO> zedzdead: mainly 32bit packages
[03:33] <qin> zedzdead: cool nick btw, we have sing along pulp fiction tomorrow, yes it most likely ask for some packages
[03:33] <qin> well, quote along*
[03:34] <zedzdead> Oh ok just making sure. I have  had bad experience in the past of Steam crashing upon start up
[03:35] <glitsj16> lotuspsychje: iirc 4 is the  maximum number of connections pan can have to the same server, but its been quite a while since i've used it
[03:35] <zedzdead> But it looks like it is working now
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> glitsj16: im using nntpgrab also, but pan downloads the fastest, so tryed to set more threads
[03:37] <glitsj16> lotuspsychje: i could be wrong though, after the lucid days i went with liferea
[03:37] <mikubuntu> omg. the ubuntu download server is oscillating between 1 and 2 hour eta for 708 mb ... lol. no, i'm not going to use the torrents.
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> !info liferea
[03:38] <zedzdead> Maybe you are getting ddos?
[03:39] <daftykins> mikubuntu: perhaps a better mirror is in order
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> glitsj16: im using it for more then only txt reading :p
[03:40] <glitsj16> lotuspsychje: yeah i realise that now, after the fact useless help is my specialty
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> glitsj16: if you like reading feeds, did you test google's feedindicator for ubuntu?
[03:42] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: (and) daftykins  --- cool beans, with the usb inserted, the target box bios letting me boot from the usb! yahooooo!
[03:42] <glitsj16> lotuspsychje: no it's the first time i hear about it
[03:42] <Cheekio> seems that despite being blacklisted, bad RTL drivers are loading anyway
[03:42] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: sweetness :)
[03:42] <JuJuBee> lotuspsychje: so I tried all of the suggestions on that bug report and none of them fixed it.
[03:42] <Cheekio> I can't seem to force unload drivers for a realtek wireless card
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> glitsj16: its for rss feeds in indicator
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: did you reboot also?
[03:43] <glitsj16> lotuspsychje: i'll check it out, thanks for the info
[03:43] <Cheekio> "modprobe -r rtl8192cu" seems to have no effect on lshw
[03:43] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: i was not looking forward to waiting 2 hours for the cd ... thk god
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> glitsj16: https://code.google.com/p/feedindicator/
[03:44] <JuJuBee> lotuspsychje: no, not yet.  quite honestly I am a bit afraid to, worried it wont start up at all...
[03:44] <JuJuBee> I guess I will give it a try.  Here goes.  bbs
[03:45] <RaptorJesus> manyraptor
[03:48] <goodkitten> Where post logs?
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> !paste | goodkitten
[03:48] <goodkitten> ths!
[03:48] <goodkitten> x
[03:48] <rootkat> meow
[03:51] <JuJuBee> lotuspsychje: so still crashes even after reboot
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: not sure then mate, sorry
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: if system is up to date, and purge/reinstall didnt work..
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: did you have those issues on other ubuntu versions?
[03:52] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: i have a question, sort of for later. on this box that i'm passing on for mom i started with an ubuntu install. then i added Etudio, and Edubuntu, then LXDE Lubuntu,  and one of the quirks (to me) is that when i'm booting up it goes through a schizophrenic display of splash screens. How can i make just the Studio art persist?
[03:53] <Thor446> Hello
[03:53] <markovirc> Hello Thor446
[03:53] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know how can I isolate bad sectors?
[03:53] <markovirc> Hello mojtaba
[03:53] <mojtaba> markovirc: Hi
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> mojtaba: what do you mean by isolate?
[03:53] <JuJuBee> lotuspsychje: no
[03:53] <Cheekio> question: does modprobe affect drivers that are in use?
[03:53] <Thor446> Ive a few questions on Ubuntu, Ive never used it before
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: maybe a go back to lts?
[03:54] <Thor446> Im installing off wubi right now onto a partitioned E drive, and it gave me an error (forgot to read) and closed out; Im trying it again
[03:54] <mojtaba> lotuspsychje: I just do not want the system mess with that bad sectors and make the scenario worse.
[03:54] <Thor446> Is it possible to install the files on the .iso directly onto my HDD without using a USB or CD?
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | mojtaba
[03:54] <mojtaba> markovirc: Are you Miroslav?
[03:55] <TheHackOps> Is it acceptable to ask for help with third party software in here running on ubuntu?
[03:55] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: the plymouth ones? those with the dots? if so, you have 2 options: either remove the ones you don't want or use the ubuntu alternatives system to set the one you want .. galternatives is a nice GUI to do the latter
[03:55] <TheHackOps> Specifically virtualbox
[03:55] <mojtaba> lotuspsychje: My installation is encrypted, can I use that when booting?
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> TheHackOps: virtualbox is in ubuntu repos
[03:56] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: kool, galternatives i will check it out
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> mojtaba: no testdisk, is to test your hd, for health
[03:56] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: Yes, i am having some issues with it.
[03:56] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: I installed 2 virtual machines (Windows 7 64bit) and they were running smooth as day, i then restarted the host machine (Ubuntu Server 12.0.4 LTS) and when i then tried to start up the virtual machines again i get this on both of them "Could not open the medium /media/insertparthyayaya/example.vdi" VD: error VERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND" Opening image file
[03:56] <mojtaba> lotuspsychje: what do you mean by that?
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> TheHackOps: did you put the image to a removeable media perhaps?
[03:57] <Thor446> Wait does Wubi work on Windows 8?
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> !wubi | Thor
[03:58] <TheHackOps> Technically yes, its on a hard disk that is mounted at /media/sdb1
[03:58] <Thor446> Agh; can I install directly from the .iso into my hard drive without using a CD or USB?
[03:58] <TheHackOps> How ever that hard disk mounts before virtual box starts
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> !info unetbootin | Thor446
[03:58] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: Any ideas?
[03:58] <mikubuntu> kool. mikey likes galternatives.
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> TheHackOps: doublecheck if your drive is mounted like you installed the image on
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> TheHackOps: seems like it cant find its location anymore
[03:59] <TheHackOps> It is mounted as i am accessing files off of it now
[03:59] <mojtaba> if I want to use badblocks, should I unmount the disk?
[03:59] <mojtaba> or can I use it with mounted partition?
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> mojtaba: what are you trying to do exactly?
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> mojtaba: bad sectors are bad sectors
[04:00] <Thor446> UNetbootin isn't letting me select my E:\ drive
[04:00] <mojtaba> lotuspsychje: I want to find bad sectors on my hdd and avoid system touching them. not reading, nor writing.
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> mojtaba: your system cant use bad sectors..as they are dead
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: try replug your usb
[04:01] <Thor446> Im installing directly into the hard drive, I dont have a USB or CD available
[04:02] <mojtaba> lotuspsychje: I have read somewhere (unfortunately, I can not remember exactly where it was) that you can isolate bad sectors, and avoid more damage to hard dirs
[04:02] <mojtaba> disk*
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> mojtaba: try the ##hardware channel
[04:02] <mojtaba> lotuspsychje: thank you very much
[04:03] <Thor446> My E:\ drive is NTFS, is that the problem?
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: you cant install the iso directly to your hd
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: you need a media somehow to burn it on, to install ubuntu on your system
[04:04] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: There are ways to tell a filesystem not to use certain blocks considered bad, but if your hard drive has unrecoverably bad blocks it's probably close to dying completely anyway.
[04:04] <akim> hi guys
[04:04] <akim> what font would you recommend for programming and terminaling?
[04:04] <Thor446> If I was able to use wubi, does that install it directly or I still require a USB?
[04:04] <akim> ive tried source code pro but i dont like it :S
[04:04] <Thor446> I can boot on my other HDD from XP, if that'll make it work
[04:05] <Jordan_U> Thor446: Don't use Wubi.
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: you dont have a spare usb pen somewhere?
[04:05] <Thor446> Nothing at all
[04:05] <Thor446> I have a bunch of CD-Rs, but I can't format them
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: run to the store mate, and change your w8 nightmare to install ubuntu :p
[04:06] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: Do you know how can I do that?
[04:06] <Thor446> To amazon 1 day shipping I go!
[04:06] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: I just want to make a backup (now the backup fails in the middle). Later I will switch to another hdd. (It is in my laptop)
[04:08] <Thor446> Ah, I have a radio shack up the street.  Anyway, thanks for the help, Ill probably be back once I get a USB
[04:08] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: If you're just looking to make a backup, then this is the wrong way to go about it (it will cause a lot of pointless reads to the disk, reducing its life). GNU ddrescue is probably what you want. Is the drive you're copying to large enough to hold a full image of the failing drive?
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: i think unetbootin has also an option to install it on your hd, to boot the ubuntu setup
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: but never used it myself
[04:09] <Thor446> It does, but my E:\ drive isn't FAT32
[04:09] <glitsj16> akim: that's actually difficult to answer, why not try out a few and see what suits you .. i use inconsolata, just to name one
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/unetbootin/wiki/installmodes
[04:09] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: I fixed it, it was a big they logged in the bug-tracker and i just came up with a quickfix for it
[04:10] <akim> glitsj16, thanks, was just trying out that font :D
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> !yay | TheHackOps
[04:10] <Thor446> Eh, Ill just run up to radioshack in the morning
[04:10] <Thor446> Once again, thanks for the help
[04:11] <richhoods> Hey
[04:11] <markovirc> Hello richhoods
[04:11] <richhoods> Im about to switch to ubuntu soon alittle nervous been rusty with programming lately
[04:11] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: If you were wondering its because their XML parser wich manages settings never checks if the two HDDs UUID's over lap
[04:11] <TheHackOps> So VirtualBox ends up trying to use both
[04:11] <richhoods> any tips with the terminal i should know about?
[04:11] <TheHackOps> at once
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> richhoods: maybe the ##programming guys might point you in the right direction
[04:13] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: Yes, I have a 1TB external disk
[04:13] <richhoods> well w.e fuck it ill just learn as i go
[04:13] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: I am a programmer. richhoods feel free to pm me
[04:13] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: The disk which has the OS is encrypted.
[04:13] <James0r> trying to tweak this script i found to pastebin whatever i have selected. working alright except my text isn't word wrapping. someone help me out? http://dpaste.com/1568301/
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: http://askubuntu.com/questions/59347/is-it-possible-to-install-ubuntu-without-a-cd-or-usb-drive
[04:14] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: can I use this tool? I just wanted to make differential backups.
[04:14] <Thor446> Wubi, I have Win 8
[04:14] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: Can I prevent the system from reading those bad blocks?
[04:15] <Thor446> Is there a sort of virtual flash drive type thing I can create?
[04:15] <TheHackOps> mojtaba: Pretty sure you can set a flag on that sector
[04:15] <OerHeks> wubi does not work on win8, afaik
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: unetbootin should be able to, not sure how
[04:15] <mojtaba> TheHackOps: How can I do that?
[04:15] <Thor446> UNetbootin can't install to my E:\ drive lel
[04:15] <OerHeks> !wubi
[04:16] <gr33n7007h> Thor446,  look up a little tool called rufus
[04:16] <Thor446> Should I boot into my E:\ drive on Windows XP, then install ubuntu onto the E:\ from there?
[04:17] <TheHackOps> mojtaba: http://superuser.com/questions/627300/remove-bad-sectors-hard-disc
[04:17] <TheHackOps> Maybe that would help
[04:17] <ZCitrus> Hi. So, clearly new to ubuntu/linux, but ejected USB from nautilus through handy dandy icon. Removed usb. Plugged usb back in. USB no longer flashing, no apparent response from plugging it in whatsoever. Tried different USB ports, no change, absolutely nothing.
[04:17] <markovirc> Hello ZCitrus
[04:17] <mojtaba> TheHackOps: Thanks. I will check it now
[04:18] <ZCitrus> Am I a clear idiot somehow?
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin your device, see what errors you get
[04:19] <ZCitrus> kk
[04:19] <TheHackOps> mojtaba: As people say its about to die probs so bin the disk
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> mojtaba: what brand is your hd?
[04:20] <mojtaba> TheHackOps: The problem is that, it is encrypted. (It is a laptop)
[04:20] <mojtaba> lotuspsychje: I am not sure. How can I check that, (My computer is Dell Studio 1555)
[04:20] <ZCitrus> not necessarily sure how to interpret it, but here: http://pastebin.com/BHVxDicg
[04:20] <TheHackOps> mojtaba: Why is that an issue?
[04:21] <ZCitrus> presumably the not an MTB device?
[04:21] <ZCitrus> *MTP
[04:21] <Thor446> Wait, can Ubuntu be installed on a NTFS hard drive?
[04:21] <mojtaba> TheHackOps: I was doing backup and in the middle of doing that, the partition become read only
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: maybe check your device out with gparted? (and format if needed)
[04:22] <TheHackOps> mojtaba: thats very strange -.0
[04:22] <gr33n7007h> ZCitrus, have you just tried rebooting
[04:22] <ZCitrus> yes :(
[04:23] <mojtaba> TheHackOps: Yes, when I restart, it finds some errors at /home and /
[04:23] <gr33n7007h> ZCitrus, what does lsusb say
[04:23] <ZCitrus> let's find out
[04:23] <mojtaba> TheHackOps: I have tried to force fixing it, but it is not working.
[04:23] <TheHackOps> Oh god well igot the vitual machines to boot up again but they are being very problematic now so i might as well just create new ones
[04:23] <TheHackOps> since they were clean
[04:24] <ZCitrus> lsusb results: http://pastebin.com/KKFT5EjH
[04:24] <RaptorJesus> when mantle from AMD?
[04:24] <RaptorJesus> i want BF4 on linux
[04:25] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: Please answer my question. Is the drive you're backing up to large enough to hold a full image of the failing drive?
[04:25] <gr33n7007h> ZCitrus, not recognized at all weird
[04:25] <gr33n7007h> how about fdisk -l
[04:25] <gr33n7007h> it shouldn't be listed but just incase
[04:26] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: I guess you missed my answer. Yes, I have a 1TB external hard drive, and the bad disk is 512 GB
[04:26] <ZCitrus> uh nothing happened
[04:26] <ZCitrus> let me try changing ports and re-trying, just in case
[04:27] <ZCitrus> new port, no changes on either lsusb or fdisk -l\
[04:27] <gr33n7007h> what make is it?
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: http://askubuntu.com/questions/118961/how-can-a-usb-be-detected-but-not-show-up-anywhere
[04:27] <ZCitrus> it's some random emtec pos
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: i would go for a gparted
[04:28] <ZCitrus> but was working fine until i hit eject
[04:28] <Thor446> Is it safe to install Ubuntu to the hard drive Im currently using?
[04:28] <ZCitrus> it doesn't appear to be showing up in gparted
[04:28] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: I guess you missed my answer. Yes, I have a 1TB external hard drive, and the bad disk is 512 GB
[04:28] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: Indeed, that was my fault. Sorry. I highly recommend using GNU ddrescue (not the similarly named but highly inferior dd_rescue) to make a full drive backup. GNU ddrescue is specifically designed to get as much data as possible off of a failing disk.
[04:28] <ZCitrus> i only show my hard drives
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: you need to find a way to extract the iso somewhere to a media to install ubuntu setup first
[04:29] <Thor446> lotuspsychje If I used UNetbootin, I meant
[04:29] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: The problem is that, the partition become read only in the middle of the process.
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: i would go buy an usb device, they are cheap these days
[04:30] <Thor446> lotuspsychje If all fails, Ill just walk up to radioshack in the morning, I was too lazy to do that
[04:30] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: Can I then restore it exactly on a new hdd on my laptop?
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: a 2 gig usb pen will cost you almost nothing
[04:31] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: If you don't mind losing all of the data currenlty on the HD you're restoring to, yes.
[04:31] <Thor446> lotuspsychje Yeah, $3, Im just that lazy to walk half a block
[04:31] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: Have you confirmed that the problem is with bad sectors by checking the S.M.A.R.T. status of your drive?
[04:31] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: I mean if I make a backup with that, and replace this hdd, with a new one.
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: move your ** and go buy one, that will change your digital life to the ubuntu experience
[04:32] <gr33n7007h> ZCitrus, try update-usbids && sudo update-pciids and try again
[04:32] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: How can I do that?
[04:32] <Thor446> lotuspsychje B-b-but windows 8 master race!
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: you mean nightmare?
[04:33] <Thor446> lotuspsychje It's not THAT bad, infact, it's the best OS I've ever used, but hopefully Ubuntu will prove me wrong
[04:33] <ZCitrus> gr33n7007h,  try which again?
[04:33] <gr33n7007h> dmesg see if it show up
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: your badly wrong mate..ubuntu will ease up your life in every way
[04:34] <ZCitrus> eh i mean lots of stuff appears when i dmesg but i dont have the faintest how to intepret it
[04:34] <Thor446> lotuspsychje Would wubi work if I booted up from XP right now? Im too impatient to wait for RS to open
[04:34] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: You can do it directly, but setting the new drive as the output for GNU ddrescue (with a third drive holding ddrescue's log file), or you have ddrescue save to an image file and later dd that image file to the new drive. (You can also mount the partitions on the image file while it's still a file, not need to copy it to a raw drive to be able to access your files).
[04:34] <Jordan_U> s/but/by/
[04:34] <ZCitrus> gr33n7007h,  dmesg results : http://pastebin.com/pN6YntiG
[04:34] <Thor446> lotuspsychje Before I even do that, can I even install Ubuntu to a NTFS hard drive? Should I transfer all my stuff to my secondary?
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> Thor: forget about wubi..
[04:34] <gr33n7007h> fdisk -l then
[04:34] <ZCitrus> kk
[04:35] <ZCitrus> absolutely nothing
[04:35] <gr33n7007h> some usb keys can only be unmounted not ejected
[04:35] <ZCitrus> let me try quick 2nd restart just in case...
[04:35] <ZCitrus> ok
[04:35] <ZCitrus> so if i hit eject on such a usb key, what would the result be?
[04:36] <gr33n7007h> Messes it up like not show again
[04:36] <gr33n7007h> *ing it
[04:36] <ZCitrus> eek.
[04:37] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: before you said that, I can put some flags on that sectors. Does this work for me?
[04:37] <ZCitrus> So what can be done to repair it if we can't access it?
[04:37] <gr33n7007h> but where's there's a will, there's a way
[04:37] <ZCitrus> there is a will!
[04:37] <ZCitrus> office max is closed, and it's only 8:30
[04:38] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: That won't get you closer to making a backup, no.
[04:38] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: ok, thank you very much
[04:38] <ZCitrus> the one weird part of this for me is that not even the red flashy light flashes. I had assumed it just did that on receiving power, but does it require a data transfer/read of some kind possibly?
[04:39] <mikubuntu> glitsj16: thanks for all your help -- system looks GREAT -- now i have to backup all my stuff from this other box and clean it up for mom -- g'nite and thx again
[04:39] <gr33n7007h> Could be just lying dormant from ejecting
[04:40] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: You're welcome.
[04:40] <glitsj16> mikubuntu: you're welcome, enjoyed the meet .. take care and likewise
[04:40] <ZCitrus> alright let's try restart #2 for now, see if that helps
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: you have this issue on all usb ports?
[04:40] <ZCitrus> yes, i do lotuspsychje
[04:40] <ZCitrus> let me try the restart, brb
[04:41] <Thor446> Brb, Im gonna try booting from XP
[04:44] <ZCitrus> OK, sadly, restart #2 did not help. My interpretation of events so far is something like the following: I ejected a drive which, for some reason, should not be ejected. It's understood that as some sort of request to be dormant, which it now is?
[04:44] <jirido> Hi. I try to compile and a .deb of libfm with debuild comand and when signfile wants to sign it dont get access to .gnupg. I know i can chown it to my user but it is not the right way.. http://pastebin.com/eaBqEMM0
[04:44] <markovirc> Hello jirido
[04:44] <jirido> Helo markovirc
[04:46] <gr33n7007h> ZCitrus, try sync
[04:46] <ZCitrus> not sure what you mean by that I'm afraid
[04:46] <ZCitrus> is that a terminal command?
[04:46] <gr33n7007h> type sync in terminal
[04:46] <gr33n7007h> yes
[04:46] <ZCitrus> didn't appear to do much
[04:47] <jirido> is there /j #gnupg
[04:47] <gr33n7007h> ZCitrus, have you looked in /dev/disk/by-id/
[04:47] <gr33n7007h> to see if it really has gone
[04:48] <ZCitrus> results: http://pastebin.com/cX3LPUVX
[04:48] <yun_> sad
[04:48] <ZCitrus> i think those are hard drives and maybe a disk drive or two
[04:48] <ZCitrus> i dont think i see anything in here that would be the USB
[04:49] <gr33n7007h> No, nothing
[04:50] <gr33n7007h> file under b for bin, and get sandisk
[04:51] <ZCitrus> the disk is straight trashed, really?
[04:51] <ZCitrus> :(((((((
[04:51] <ZCitrus> blargh
[04:51] <gr33n7007h> have you got any other computers
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: what brand is your device?
[04:51] <ZCitrus> emtec
[04:51] <ZCitrus> and no, at least not today
[04:52] <Thor446> It appears you can't boot under another OS using Windows 8
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: well if gparted cant see it, might be bad news
[04:52] <gr33n7007h> anything that you can plug usb into
[04:52] <ZCitrus> not tonight I'm afraid
[04:52] <ZCitrus> Other than a wall charter :x
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: are your ports usb 2.0?
[04:52] <ZCitrus> but I don't think that will help haha
[04:52] <gr33n7007h> just to see if led comes on from power
[04:52] <ZCitrus> uh at least one of them is, just going off some of the earlier output
[04:53] <ZCitrus> yeah one of the lsusb results was : Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> Thor446: dont be so stubborn, and buy an usb stick..
[04:53] <Thor446> lotuspsychje Like I said, I have to wait another 8 hours for radioshack to open so I tried to take the cheap way
[04:54] <ZCitrus> plugging the drive into a nook/phone charger's usb did not result in led turn-on
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: what ubuntu version are you on again?
[04:55] <ZCitrus> 13.10
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: did you test other usb devices?
[04:57] <gr33n7007h> ZCitrus, don't know what else to suggest really
[04:57] <ZCitrus> fair enough :(
[04:57] <ZCitrus> my usb mouse/ipod working, I think I'm with gr33n7007h  on this one, the thing seems to be just straight trashed...
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: could also be a libmtp problem
[04:57] <ZCitrus> whats that mean?
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1964198
[04:58] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: Here is a noob question. How can i keep a disk always mounted (At least mount at boot)
[04:58] <ZCitrus> thats a good point that guy raises actually, it would be interesting to see if my bios can see the drive
[04:58] <TheHackOps> For stability reasons i wish to do this
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> TheHackOps: and ntfs drive automount?
[04:59] <TheHackOps> I think its ext3/4 i shal check
[05:00] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: Its ext4
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> TheHackOps: hmm, is it an external device?
[05:00] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: No SATA internal
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> TheHackOps: strange that it doesnt automount..take a look in your fstab maybe?
[05:01] <TheHackOps> Ok
[05:01] <ZCitrus> lotuspsychje, to be clear, if I run tail prior to plugging the USB drive in, and then after plugging the drive in, no new output appears, does that mean I"m out of luck?
[05:01] <Delta706> I have Ubuntu 12.04 which is up-to-date.  Starting today, it gets the screen resolution wrong.  What can I do to investigate this?
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: well the mtp error from the tail, is telling us something right
[05:02] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: http://pastebin.com/QXFnB2tx
[05:02] <TheHackOps> My fstab
[05:02] <Thor> lotuspsychje: check your tabbing please <.<
[05:02] <ZCitrus> didn't write the original command you gave me, but right now I'm running tail -f /var/log/syslog
[05:03] <ZCitrus> and then plugging the drive in
[05:03] <ZCitrus> and seeing absolutely nothing
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: yes that was the command
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> Thor: sorry
[05:04] <ZCitrus> yeah, I'm not even seeing an MTP error anymore
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> !fstab | TheHackOps
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: how about a replug
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: you sure you tryed sudo gparted correctly and checked the drives in right upper corner?
[05:06] <ZCitrus> this prior to replug:  http://pastebin.com/0yxzHNfT , then replugged drive, and no change
[05:06] <ZCitrus> i launched gparted through dash, there were three drives in upper right corner, 250G, 500G, 1TB
[05:07] <ZCitrus> the usb is not one of them
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: ubuntu disktools doesnt see either i presume?
[05:07] <ZCitrus> is disktools equiv to disks?
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: where you can see SMART options and becnhmark n such
[05:08] <calikaff> So my VM doesn't have a /dev/sd*, /dev/hd*, or /dev/vd* and fdisk -l turns up nothing... Trying to do a disk test and can't find the device location
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: what format is your device? fat? ntfs?
[05:09] <TheHackOps> calikaff: What VM software?
[05:09] <Jordan_U> calikaff: What type of VM is this?
[05:09] <ZCitrus> I'm not sure if disks is equivalent to disktools, but disks only shows the HDs + cd bays
[05:09] <ZCitrus> lotuspsychje, not sure if I remember the format of the device off the top of my head, and I can't exactly check. Its last use was to install ubuntu, if that's helpful
[05:10] <calikaff> Lemme check
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: ive seen weird mtp warnings on usb sticks before, after it was been plugged to MS Os
[05:11] <ZCitrus> Haven't had/used MS since I used it for the ubuntu install though, I'm afraid
[05:11] <delinquentme> whats a tool that I could use to page through a big file?
[05:11] <calikaff> Openvz
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: but i think testdisk wont be of use, as it doesnt recognize your device
[05:11] <delinquentme> say like a database .sql file one page at a time?
[05:11] <ZCitrus> Let me BRB, I'm curious to see if BIOS will still register it as a bootable device
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: kk
[05:11] <TheHackOps> calikaff: Ok
[05:12] <Jordan_U> delinquentme: less
[05:12] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: Never used anything besides ubuntu or centOS and this time around i am having quite a number of issues in a server environment
[05:12] <TheHackOps> and i am using ubuntu server
[05:12] <TheHackOps> lts
[05:13] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: From last reboot it started doing strange things, and seems to be quite clunky at the moment
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> TheHackOps: http://askubuntu.com/questions/252361/how-could-i-mount-an-ext4-partition-and-have-write-permission
[05:14] <Jordan_U> calikaff: An OpenVZ container is not a full VM, there is no emulated hard drive. It's more like a secure and robust chroot.
[05:15] <ZCitrus> Yeah, no longer bootable either......
[05:16] <gr33n7007h> ZCitrus, deffo dead
[05:16] <ZCitrus> It really seems like the eject command instructed the USB to go dormant/turn off or whatever, never to awake again..
[05:16] <ZCitrus> laaaaaaaaaaaaame
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> well ive seen some uefi systems not recognizing usb (working) devices
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> not yet a proof of death
[05:17] <calikaff> Jordan_U: thanks! I am trying to decide which VM I should keep
[05:17] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: This server is about to go into a production environment today, Fingers crossed it does fall to shit
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: retry the tail -f?
[05:17] <ZCitrus> sure
[05:17] <ZCitrus> tail -f happens prior to re-plug, correct?
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: first the tail then te plugin yes
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: maybe doublecheck you syslog manually too, for usb warnings
[05:18] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: I am trying to put massive amounts of different operations on it now to see how rock solid it is
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> TheHackOps: hammering your own server :p?
[05:19] <ZCitrus> no input after plugging in the drive
[05:19] <Jordan_U> calikaff: Are you hosting these containers or is this something you've puchased from a VPS?
[05:19] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje:  I am a server tech, And i am about to put in this new high performance server i have just built for some company
[05:19] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: Always go with ubuntu server as a am at home on linux and its normally rock solid
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: well maybe gr33n7007h is right and time to go to a digital funeral :p
[05:20] <TheHackOps> How ever this time its being problematic
[05:20] <calikaff> Purchased vps servers on two diff host companies. Weloveservers and digitalocean
[05:20] <ZCitrus> alright
[05:20] <gr33n7007h> ZCitrus, type this [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> TheHackOps: try phoronix test suite to hammer your system
[05:20] <ZCitrus> oh we're bios baby
[05:21] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: 120GB intel SSD, 8 Core 5Ghz, 2x1gbit Ethernet, 16Gb RAM so on
[05:21] <calikaff> DO is more $ per resource but is a real vps
[05:21] <ZCitrus> this is not a new mobo :D
[05:21] <TheHackOps> 1Tb 10,000 rpm Raptor
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: dont forget doublecheck recent syslog errors
[05:21] <gr33n7007h> if bios is not showing it's ready for the knackered yard ;)
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:22] <Melly01> hi hu c:
[05:23] <Ronie> are you IT professionals?
[05:23] <Melly01> we are happy ubuntuusers :DDD
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> Ronie: ubuntu supporters
[05:23] <ZCitrus> hah this syslog thing is legit
[05:23] <Ronie> i have a problem with opera browser.
[05:24] <Ronie> opera browser shows black screen sometimes
[05:24] <ZCitrus> gr33n7007h, lotuspsychje , thanks for the help dudes. Sad USB drive is sad, but worse things have happened
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> Ronie: on ubuntu?
[05:24] <ZCitrus> y'all have a good one
[05:24] <Ronie> completely black and blank
[05:24] <Ronie> on puppy linux
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> ZCitrus: try every machine to connect it
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> !puppy | Ronie
[05:25] <ZCitrus> haha only got the one I'm afraid. I'll try it on something else tomorrow before it goes in the garbage heap
[05:25] <Ronie> i requested on puppy channel, no one is helping. no response nothing ,so i am posting here.
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> Ronie: we cant support puppy neither sorry mate
[05:25] <Melly01> poor Citrus :D
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> Ronie: but we can strongly advice you to test ubuntu :p
[05:25] <TheHackOps> lotuspsychje: PM?
[05:25] <ZCitrus> it's ok! it was like $12
[05:26] <ZCitrus> and it is empty
[05:26] <ZCitrus> anyways, o/
[05:26] <Jordan_U> Ronie: This channel only supports Ubuntu. You can install Ubuntu or try a more generic channel like ##linux.
[05:26] <Ronie> ok i wil try.
[05:27] <Ronie> anyways is it opera browser problem or os related problem?
[05:27] <OerHeks> or join ##opera for support
[05:27] <Ronie> thanks
[05:27] <Jordan_U> Ronie: Please stop asking for support here unless you're actually using Ubuntu and having a problem with Ubuntu. Period.
[05:30] <Delta706> does anyone have any thoughts on my screen resolution problem?
[05:30] <TheHackOps> Delta706: What is the issue?
[05:30] <ciphersson> anyone set up etherpad on ubuntu?
[05:31] <Delta706> The size of the screen is wrong
[05:31] <Ronie> ubuntus channel is a lot more populated and very active than puppy linux channel , that is for sure.
[05:32] <Delta706> It seems to be using 1024x768 4:3
[05:33] <dantux> does anyone know what hash-type is used for linux shadow file?
[05:34] <gr33n7007h> sha512 I think
[05:35] <dantux> yes, seems like it, but do you know what number is for it in hashcat? (-m ???)
[05:35] <gr33n7007h> sha256
[05:36] <gr33n7007h> 1 sec lemme check
[05:37] <dantxo> Hello I'm adding a udev rule under /etc/udev/rules.d/25-name.video-devices.rules but it's not applying it, the rule is: SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="045e", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0761", NAME="video10"
[05:37] <dantux> the hash_id python program tells me that the hash is sha256, but doesn't really work
[05:39] <vman411gamer> Hello
[05:39] <markovirc> Hello vman411gamer
[05:39] <dantxo> anyone=
[05:39] <RaptorJesus> how does BF4 run on Ubuntu?
[05:39] <vman411gamer> It doesn't
[05:40] <RaptorJesus> not yet
[05:40] <fwl73> guys need help
[05:40] <vman411gamer> They said they will most likely port to linux b/c of Steam boxes
[05:40] <gr33n7007h> 1410
[05:41] <RaptorJesus> because of SteamOS
[05:41] <vman411gamer> Ya
[05:41] <RaptorJesus> i'm excited
[05:41] <vman411gamer> I have a question though
[05:41] <fwl73> need help
[05:42] <vman411gamer> My ubuntu recently broke (I am guessing b/c of drivers) and because it is so messy I want to do a clean install, but not without backing everything up first
[05:42] <gr33n7007h> fwl73, explain your problem so people can help you
[05:42] <Rogander> hi, I had a question about primitive values.
[05:42] <markovirc> Hello Rogander
[05:43] <vman411gamer> I am using the Disk image to use ubuntu and back everything up but I have run into a problem
[05:43] <fwl73> i have dell inspiron 15R 7520 laptop with amd radon 7730M 2GB gpu i want to permanently disable my amd gpu
[05:43] <Rogander> So someone told me that there's downsides to using unsigned types over something like int64. Apart from not being able to access negative values, what is there?
[05:44] <Ronie> how to boot linux in uefi machine?
[05:44] <vman411gamer> I do not have access to my old files that are technically on a different disk and when I try to use "sudo -U myusername" it says it doesn't recognise it
[05:44] <vman411gamer> Does anyone know how to gain access to root on another disk? (I have the password for it)
[05:45] <fwl73> fwl73@fwl73-Inspiron-7520:~$ lspci |grep VGA
[05:45] <fwl73> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[05:45] <fwl73> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Chelsea LP [Radeon HD 7730M]
[05:46] <Rosbuntu> do u know how to customize ur unbuntu
[05:46] <Ronie> how to boot linux on uefi machine?
[05:46] <TheHackOps> Rosbuntu: What do you mean customize?
[05:47] <Ronie> i mean how to boot ubuntu on uefi machine?
[05:47] <Beldar> vman411gamer, what is it you need to do?
[05:47] <Rosbuntu> TheHackOps,  i mean i want to change the position of the bar, change the theme of some of my programs
[05:47] <vman411gamer> Beldar, I need to gain acces to a root folder on another drive (I have the password)
[05:48] <fwl73> guys guys
[05:48] <fwl73> anybody there
[05:48] <TheHackOps> Rosbuntu: What version?, You can look at Compiz Manager or if you are using Unity check the unity manager
[05:48] <gr33n7007h> fwl73, what ubuntu version
[05:48] <Ronie> hello
[05:48] <fwl73> ubuntu 12.04
[05:48] <markovirc> Hello Ronie
[05:48] <Ronie> can anybody help me?
[05:48] <Rosbuntu> TheHackOps,  im using 12.04 the french voyager
[05:48] <Beldar> vman411gamer, A chroot would be the general access.
[05:48] <Ronie> how can i boot ubuntu on a uefi machine?
[05:49] <Beldar> !uefi | Ronie
[05:49] <TheHackOps> Rosbuntu: Compiz Manager might be what ou are looking for
[05:50] <fwl73> gr33n7007h, i try to use vgaswitchroo but getting error: no such directory
[05:50] <gr33n7007h> fwl73, sudo echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch if you want it persistent put in /etc/rc.local
[05:50] <Rosbuntu> TheHackOps,  ok bud
[05:50] <gr33n7007h> make the dir and file
[05:51] <TheHackOps> Rosbuntu: simple-ccsm is the package
[05:51] <TheHackOps> Rosbuntu: sudo apt-get install simple-cssm
[05:51] <Rosbuntu> okk
[05:54] <Jordan_U> gr33n7007h: "sudo echo foo > bar" runs /bin/echo as root, sending its output to the shell (which is running as your user), it's then the shell that redirects that output to the file. "echo foo | sudo tee bar" is generally the way this type of problem is solved.
[05:57] <fwl73> hello
[05:57] <markovirc> Hello fwl73
[05:57] <fwl73> fwl73@fwl73-Inspiron-7520:~$ sudo echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
[05:57] <fwl73> bash: /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch: Permission denied
[05:57] <fwl73> iam tring to disable my amd gpu in ubuntu 12.04
[05:57] <vman411gamer> Beldar, where should I point the chroot to?
[05:58] <fwl73> markoirc
[05:58] <fwl73> need help
[05:58] <gr33n7007h> fwl73, sudo chown <yourusername> /sys/kernel/debug
[05:58] <fwl73> i have teamviewer
[05:59] <fwl73> can u pls tell me how
[05:59] <fwl73> cause switch vgaswitchroo is missing into my system
[06:01] <Beldar> vman411gamer, You might try to outline the end goal to the channel to get specific help.
[06:01] <fwl73> gr33n7007h ok now
[06:01] <fwl73> fwl73@fwl73-Inspiron-7520:~$ sudo echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
[06:01] <fwl73> bash: /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch: No such file or directory
[06:01] <fwl73> getting this
[06:01] <gr33n7007h> locate vgaswitcheroo
[06:01] <fwl73> how>>
[06:02] <gr33n7007h> fwl73, is your processor intel or amd
[06:02] <vman411gamer> I am trying to get root permission on another installed ubuntu that will not boot so I can back it up before I wipe it
[06:02] <fwl73> intel
[06:03] <gr33n7007h> type `locate vgaswitcheroo` in termina;
[06:03] <gr33n7007h> type `locate vgaswitcheroo` in terminal
[06:03] <fwl73> okk
[06:03] <gr33n7007h> any output
[06:03] <fwl73> now
[06:03] <fwl73> no
[06:03] <fwl73> output
[06:04] <gr33n7007h> seems your missing the header files
[06:04] <fwl73> so what to do
[06:04] <gr33n7007h> thus directories missing
[06:04] <fwl73> how to fix this
[06:05] <Jordan_U> gr33n7007h: Please don't recommend that people change the ownership of important directories like /sys/kernel/debug, luckily in this particular case the permissions will be correct again after a reboot at least.
[06:06] <gr33n7007h> Jordan_U, on the /sys dir always will do
[06:07] <Jordan_U> gr33n7007h: I know.
[06:08] <Jordan_U> gr33n7007h: Please be more careful when giving advice in the future.
[06:08] <gr33n7007h> Jordan_U, no problem
[06:09] <fwl73> so
[06:09] <fwl73> now what to do guys
[06:09] <fwl73> any direction
[06:11] <fwl73> gr33n7007h
[06:11] <fwl73> ????
[06:11] <gr33n7007h> fwl73, can you not turn it off from bios
[06:11] <manikanta_> hello
[06:11] <markovirc> Hello manikanta_
[06:12] <manikanta_> I need a help...
[06:12] <fwl73> i also think about this no option available even in latest bios
[06:12] <greeter> what do you need help with manikanta_?
[06:12] <fwl73> update
[06:13] <manikanta_> I'm getting some error while installing  my lab project which is developed an year back ...I ll show you the error details 1 sec
[06:13] <Ronie> gr33n7007h:how to know whether linux os is 64 bit or 2 bit?
[06:13] <gr33n7007h> Ronie, arch
[06:13] <Ronie> 32
[06:13] <Ronie> puppy linux
[06:13] <gr33n7007h> type arch in termina;
[06:13] <gr33n7007h> *;
[06:13] <gr33n7007h> ong
[06:13] <Ronie> puppy linux
[06:14]  * gr33n7007h can't type today
[06:14] <manikanta_> this is the error I'm getting....
[06:14] <manikanta_> /usr/bin/ld: error: cannot find -lpugixml
[06:14] <manikanta_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[06:15] <gr33n7007h> Ronie, type `arch` in the terminal
[06:15] <greeter> you need to install the pugixml library for ld to be able to link the file(s) in question
[06:15] <fwl73> hello hello
[06:15] <manikanta_> I've installed it , how to link ld_library_path to pugixml ??
[06:15] <Rosbuntu> manikanta_,  r u a girl
[06:15] <greeter> oh you need to put it in your path. hmm i'm not sure to be honest
[06:16] <manikanta_> nope :? does it matter :D ...
[06:16] <Ronie> gr33n7007h: its saying i686
[06:16] <Rosbuntu> lol
[06:16] <manikanta_> girls are less in developer community I guess , not sure though :)
[06:16] <gr33n7007h> Ronie, 32 bits
[06:16] <Rosbuntu> girls dont use ubuntu i guess
[06:16] <manikanta_> haha :D
[06:16] <gr33n7007h> or 4 bytes
[06:17] <Ronie> gr33n7007h: u sure? i686 means 32 bit?
[06:17] <casper_> anyone know the audio drivers for a lt4004u
[06:17] <manikanta_> @greeter : help me how to link that :/
[06:17] <casper_> ?
[06:17] <treeprogram> hi, what password do I enter to connect to a SSH server with PasswordAuthentication set to 'yes'?
[06:17] <markovirc> Hello treeprogram
[06:17] <fwl73> ronie its x32
[06:17] <fwl73> mean 32 bit
[06:18] <greeter> well i understand there are at least two ways to add a directory to your path. i've never been very skilled at it but i can try to find a link which can help
[06:18] <fwl73> gr33n7007h hey hey
[06:18] <fwl73> what to do now
[06:18] <manikanta_> password to that account in that server....example : ssh <name>@web.x.com , you need to enter password linked with that account
[06:18] <gr33n7007h> fwl73, try google
[06:18] <Ronie> fwl73:i typed getconf LONG_BIT in terminal and it returned with 32 bit
[06:18] <Beldar> Rosbuntu, http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/
[06:19] <fwl73> oh come on i already google it but no sol. that why iam here
[06:19] <treeprogram> how do I set the login password on an SSH server?
[06:19] <manikanta_>  /usr/bin/ld: error: cannot find -lpugixml
 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[06:19] <Rosbuntu> Beldar,  lool
[06:20] <greeter> manikanta_: try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/60218/how-to-add-a-directory-to-my-path
[06:20] <treeprogram> how do I set the login password on an SSH server?
[06:21] <manikanta_> greeter : thanks , will try and get back to you :)
[06:21] <Rosbuntu> Beldar,  r u a woman in ubuntu :P
[06:21] <fwl73> guys
[06:21] <fwl73> pls pls p ls
[06:21] <IdleOne> Rosbuntu: Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[06:21] <fwl73> help.............
[06:21] <Rosbuntu> IdleOne,  yes
[06:22] <casper_> anyone know the audio drivers for a lt4004u?
[06:22] <Epaphus> I wanted to know what essential packages I should get after installing ubuntu
[06:22] <IdleOne> then ask it, and stop asking our users what their gender is.
[06:23] <Epaphus> SO? Anyone?
[06:23] <Rosbuntu> Epaphus,  it depends
[06:23] <greeter> well it's really a matter of preference Epaphus
[06:23] <Rosbuntu> what do u need to work in ubuntu
[06:23] <zafar> who is expert for xubuntu
[06:23] <Rosbuntu> like if u a person with love and romance, then u must install a video and mp3 player
[06:23] <greeter> your installation medium should come with everything needed, plus anything it downloaded during the install
[06:24] <Epaphus> I am currently learning to Program in java
[06:24] <manikanta_> install tasksel :D
[06:24] <Rosbuntu> Epaphus,  then u should install programming language soft
[06:24] <zafar> i really interested linux
[06:24] <manikanta_> it ll help you a lot installing other packages
[06:24] <electricprism> I need to know which brands of scanner are best supported in Ubuntu
[06:24] <electricprism> So I dont buy one that deosnt work
[06:24] <fwl73> electricprism hp
[06:25] <zafar> i want to learn server linux which book is the best to learn
[06:25] <Epaphus> I also wanted programs to keep my computer more safe and secure
[06:26] <gr33n7007h> fwl73, try adding modeset=1 to kernel params then checking for the directory
[06:26] <greeter> Epaphus: klamav might be a good choice if viruses are a concern for you
[06:26] <Rosbuntu> i cant use my ubuntu hotspot in my android phone, it says obtaining ip adress and i cant use internet in my android phone, how do i solve that problem
[06:26] <zafar> does anyone knows linux as a server
[06:26] <fwl73> u mean in grub
[06:26] <fwl73> gr33n7007h
[06:26] <gr33n7007h> yes
[06:26] <fwl73> okk
[06:27] <zafar> hello
[06:27] <markovirc> Hello zafar
[06:27] <fwl73> by the way my output of
[06:27] <fwl73> checking for the directory
 Epaphus: klamav might be a good choice
[06:27] <fwl73> fwl73@fwl73-Inspiron-7520:~$ sudo mount debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug
[06:27] <fwl73> [sudo] password for fwl73:
[06:27] <fwl73> Usage: mount -V                 : print version
[06:27] <fwl73>        mount -h                 : print this help
[06:27] <fwl73>        mount                    : list mounted filesystems
[06:27] <FloodBot1> fwl73: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:27] <fwl73>        mount -l                 : idem, including volume labels
[06:27] <greeter> hmm?
[06:28] <casper_>  anyone know the audio drivers for a lt4004u?
[06:28] <manikanta_> greeter : I understood that I've to do   @ export  LD_LIBRARY_PATH = /path/to/pugixml .....
[06:28] <manikanta_> how to get that path ?
[06:28] <greyhatpython> zafar this is the book : https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/serverguide/serverguide.pdf
[06:28] <manikanta_> thats the issue
[06:29] <greeter> manikanta_: try this command in a terminal window: locate *pugixml*
[06:34] <manikanta_> @greeter : I'm getting this way usr/share/doc/pugixml-doc/
[06:34] <manikanta_> there are lot of things in that folder ...
[06:34] <electricprism> fwl73: ok thx
[06:34] <greeter> hmm that's probably just documentation. are you sure you have the library installed?
[06:35] <manikanta_> is there any package for pugixml for ubuntu 12.04 ?
[06:38] <greeter> let me look for one
[06:38] <KI7MT> manikanta_, Looks like it starts in Saucy, 1.2.2 universe
[06:39] <manikanta_> so how to install it ?
[06:40] <greeter> hmm a google search didn't turn up anything useful to me about installing it with apt-get (i'm not very good at that though)
[06:40] <KI7MT> manikanta_, enable backports, but you could en up pulling in allot of deps, or use checkinstall and built it from source.
[06:42] <manikanta_> hmm well I ll check that issue again....try to install it and get back to you :)
[06:42] <wookienz_> guys, just rebooted an ubuntu server and no grub entries show up. just memtest. Thoughts where to start?
[06:42] <manikanta_> this is the first time I'm using irc , it helped me a lot ...other googling the issues
[06:43] <manikanta_> thanks a lot @ greeter & KI7MT
[06:43] <greeter> sorry i couldn't have been a bigger help. i'm still new to ubuntu and figuring things out for myself
[06:44] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: Sounds like somehow update-grub was run when you didn't have any kernels in /boot/. Do you have a separate /boot/ partition?
[06:44] <wookienz_> Jordan_U, no should be all in one
[06:44] <manikanta_> its okay :)
[06:44] <wookienz_> i have a rescue cd booted. trying to fix it now
[06:45] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt/ && ls /mnt/boot/ #please pastebin the output.
[06:45] <wookienz_> Jordan_U, /boot has grub dir and memtest.bin x 2 in it
[06:46] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: Please pastebin your /mnt/etc/fstab.
[06:46] <wookienz_> standby
[06:47] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: I doubt that all the kernel packages were actually removed, because attempting to do that would cause apt-get to scream very loudly at you :)
[06:47] <greeter> sounds like that would be an interesting experience
[06:48] <wookienz_> Jordan_U, unable to cut and paste, however... cat /etc/fstab only has /dev/pts, /run, /proc and /sys mount commands. no disk at all.
[06:49] <wookienz_> df -h
[06:49] <wookienz_> .
[06:50] <wookienz_> Jordan_U, I have booted to a ubuntu server rescue cd...i wonder if a livecd would be better.
[06:50] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: df -h is very different from the contents of /etc/fstab.
[06:50] <wookienz_> i know df -h was in wrong window!
[06:50] <manikanta_> \quot
[06:51] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: If you're connected to the internet then you can "sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/fstab"
[06:51] <wookienz_> ohhh cool
[06:51] <gr33n7007h> ls
[06:51] <wookienz_> "apt-get" not found in my rescue environment...weird. maybe i need to boot to adifferent live cd
[06:53] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: Indeed, a fully featured LiveCD environment sounds much better.
[06:58] <wookienz_> ok thats better...fstab looks fine with the UUID for the sda.
[07:00] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: Could you please pastebin your complete /etc/fstab?
[07:01] <wookienz_> yup, just istalling it
[07:02] <john_rambo> How do I delete a folder from the Ubuntu one app ? I have already removed it using the web interface but when I start the app it starts syncing that folder again
[07:11] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: While you're waiting for pastebinit to install, you can start preparing to chroot into your installed system and re-install kernel packages. Where is your root partition mounted?
[07:12] <helmut_> hi
[07:12] <markovirc> Hello helmut_
[07:13] <wookienz_> Jordan_U, it cant seem to find the pastebinit package. im using a 12.04 desktop livedc
[07:13] <wookienz_> livecd
[07:15] <wookienz_> Jordan_U, /dev/sda1 mounted at /mnt
[07:15] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: It's in universe. "sudo software-properties -e universe && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[07:15] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: Make that software-properties-gtk
[07:17] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: for dir in /proc/ /sys/ /dev/ /dev/pts/ do sudo mount --bind "$dir" "/mnt${dir}"; done
[07:18] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: Make that: for dir in /proc/ /sys/ /dev/ /dev/pts/; do sudo mount --bind "$dir" "/mnt${dir}"; done
[07:19] <serenity> test
[07:20] <jaywire> too cool that one can iso to a bootable usb nowadays
[07:20] <jaywire> anyone here know about Mint?
[07:20] <llutz> !mint | jaywire
[07:21] <jaywire> o kay
[07:22] <wookienz_> finally! http://paste.ubuntu.com/6812788/
[07:22] <jaywire> is there a way within Ubuntu to drop to a terminal that is at the monitor and not in x?
[07:23] <JoshuaP> ubuntu ubiquity: WARNING:root:modinfo for fglrx failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find module fglrx
[07:23] <gr33n7007h> jaywire, ctrl+alt+f1
[07:23] <Jordan_U> jaywire: You can switch to a tty with ctrl+alt+F1 (switch back to X with ctrl+alt+F7).
[07:23] <jaywire> thanks! has been long time
[07:24] <wookienz_> Jordan_U, done.
[07:25] <JoshuaP> could someone tell me what that error means to my installation?
[07:25] <wookienz_> JoshuaP, got fglrx installed?
[07:26] <JoshuaP>  wookienz_ it is during the install
[07:26] <wookienz_> ah. a bit above me sorry.
[07:26] <wookienz_> man chroot
[07:26] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: Great. Now "sudo chroot /mnt/" should give you a root shell acting with your installed system's root.
[07:26] <metulburr> would anyone have pointers on booting a live usb with secure boot? https://www.linuxdistrocommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=1873&pid=11473#pid11473
[07:27] <wookienz_> done
[07:27] <manikanta> how to add a user into sudoers file , like I have users , u1 u2 u3 ...u1 has the access to root , how to add u2 to that list ?? any help ?
[07:27] <JoshuaP> manikanta: add the user to /etc/sudoers
[07:27] <llutz> manikanta: sudo adduser u2 sudo
[07:28] <llutz> manikanta: same for u3, u4,...u123
[07:28] <Jordan_U> manikanta: JoshuaP: Do *not* add users to /etc/sudoers.
[07:28] <llutz> manikanta: that adds the users to the "sudo" group"
[07:28] <manikanta> so its same like adding normal users to the system ?
[07:29] <nearst> visudo ?
[07:29] <manikanta> yeah I was confused there ? Why should'nt we add users to that sudoers file ?
[07:29] <JoshuaP> manikanta: then what is visudo for?
[07:29] <JoshuaP> Jordan_U**
[07:30] <llutz> manikanta: JoshuaP there already is a group of users defined in sudoers, use it. it is easier to use the sudo-group, and avoids errors in sudoers file making sudo not working
[07:31] <Jordan_U> JoshuaP: For safely editing /etc/sudoers, but you shouldn't edit /etc/sudoers if you don't need to, and to give a user permission to use sudo you just need to add taht user to the sudo group.
[07:31] <manikanta> cool :)
[07:31] <manikanta> so its the same thing happening ...
[07:31] <manikanta> sudo adduser *x* sudo
[07:31] <JoshuaP> anyway, whilst i have your attention, could you help me with this error?
[07:31] <manikanta> this is writing into sudoers file only :)
[07:32] <llutz> manikanta: from 12.04 it is the "sudo" group, former it was "admin" group
[07:32] <manikanta> llutz : thnks :)
[07:33] <Jordan_U> manikanta: adduser doesn't write to /etc/sudoers.
[07:33] <llutz> manikanta: adding a user to sudo-group won't wrinte to sudoers at all
[07:33] <llutz> write*
[07:33] <wookienz_> Jordan_U, what next?
[07:33] <manikanta> then ? :o
[07:34] <llutz> manikanta: "sudo grep %sudo /etc/sudoers"  and then read what that line does
[07:34] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: Within the chroot, "apt-cache policy linux-image-*"
[07:34] <llutz> man sudoers
[07:34] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: And pastebin the output.
[07:35] <manikanta> %sudo	ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL  @ llutz
[07:37] <manikanta> what does that mean exactly ?
[07:37] <llutz> man sudoers
[07:37] <manikanta> Im new to ubuntu, help me out
[07:37] <llutz> manikanta: "man sudoers" is a command, read the file and learn
[07:37] <Jordan_U> manikanta: It means that any user that is a member of the "sudo" group is alloud to use sudo.
[07:38] <Jordan_U> llutz: The manual for sudoers is among the more terse and technical manuals...
[07:38] <manikanta> what exactly sudo group means , administrators ?
[07:38] <Ronie> which is linux mint official channel?
[07:38] <Jordan_U> !mint | Ronie
[07:39] <llutz> Jordan_U: "man sudoers" explains all you need to know if you want to administrate a system and fiddle with sudo
[07:39] <llutz> and yes, it is complex because sudo is
[07:40] <manikanta> for beginners it ll be tough to understand by reading a man page :/
[07:41] <llutz> manikanta: well, even beginners have to learn administration basics
[07:41] <Rosbuntu> what llutz  said is absolutely true
[07:41] <manikanta> so tell me this one thing ,  sudoers are kind of administrators ?
[07:42] <manikanta> ones who have access to root
[07:42] <llutz> manikanta: yes, sudo empowers the user to use commands with root-rights
[07:42] <k7jkz> i tried to shutdown and was told i needed be root then my password was not accepted. puzzled me
[07:42] <wookienz_> Jordan_U, did a apt-get update, apt-get install linux-image, update-grub and it boots.
[07:42] <KI7MT> manikanta, See Background Info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:43] <Jordan_U> wookienz_: Congratulations.
[07:43] <wookienz_> many thanks. you certainly know your stuff.
[07:45] <k7jkz> KI7MT: thanks for that community documentation link
[07:46] <Maka___> what is the difference between ~/local & ~/.local?
[07:47] <aeon-ltd> Maka___: one is hidden, hence the dot
[07:47] <manikanta> KI7MT : thanks for that link :)
[07:47] <manikanta> I could understand better now
[07:49] <Maka___> aeon-ltd: i have 2 guides for install Node.JS. In first .local and in second local. Which one will be correct? im novice in linux (
[07:50] <aeon-ltd> Maka___: i've never used node.js, but i'm guessing you'll have to reference it later in the javascript anyway. so i'm guessing the directory doesn't matter as long as the link works
[07:50] <Maka___> Thanks aeon-lts
[07:51] <vinay_> hi
[07:51] <markovirc> Hello vinay_
[07:51] <Maka___> aeon-ltd*
[07:51] <vinay_> hi markovirc
[07:51] <markovirc> Hello vinay_
[07:52] <manikanta> vinay talk something other than hello/hi :)
[07:52] <vinay_> iam trying to use some commands
[07:52] <vinay_> im using smuxi and iam new to it
[07:52] <vinay_> :)
[07:52] <Jordan_U> vinay_: Please join ##test for such things.
[07:53] <vinay_> thank you
[07:53] <vinay_> will do
[07:53] <vinay_> :)
[07:53] <Jordan_U> vinay_: You're welcome.
[07:53] <vinay_> ##test
[07:53] <vinay_> #test
[07:53] <manikanta> click /join
[07:53] <Jordan_U> vinay_: "/join #test"
[07:53] <vinay_> ty
[08:28] <omdreams-home> anyone alive here ?
[08:31] <mobiesoba> no
[08:40] <omdreams-home> good to know lol
[08:40] <omdreams-home> jsut getting my terminal irc  flex on
[08:40] <omdreams-home> weechat.. having 1980's flashbacks now
[08:41] <omdreams-home> kinda missed this
[09:02] <mobiesoba> I had a boyfriend named ubuntu once.
[09:02] <mobiesoba> He would "play the bongos" on my ass.
[09:02] <picca> lol
[09:02] <mobiesoba> he was a big nigger, with a big nigger dick to match
[09:02] <mobiesoba> when he was inside me, it felt like my ass was a volcano of diarrhea
[09:02] <picca> mobiesoba: don't be racist
[09:02] <mobiesoba> don't be a nigger picca
[09:06] <omdreams-home> wait .. mobiesoba are you a guy or gal.. cause being in ass is diffrent in both instances
[09:07] <omdreams-home> apologies if it was offensive to ask clarity
[09:11] <heavyammo> On Xubuntu I have the following issue, have you guys had anything similar:     I have this issue with my Skype icon in the indicator plugin tray... I click on on it and instead of opening skype it shows the menu that you would see if you right clicked - Recent chats, all status changes etc. and  there is no way to open skype... I need to quit and reopen skype so it pops up again
[09:12] <Rosbuntu> lol
[09:12] <aeon-ltd> heavyammo: does this happen everytime? what happens when you do right click?
[09:12] <omdreams-home> skype.. my nemisis..
[09:13] <heavyammo> aeon-ltd, I get the Indicator plugin menu Move, Remove, Panel
[09:15] <heavyammo> I tried using a desktop shortcut to Skype but it tries to open another instance, so it doesn't work
[09:16] <Gallomimia> nevyn: are you still here? can you remind me the list of programs we discussed for use with raid and artificial hybrid SSD cache of platter drives? i neglected to write them down. i need to research them
[09:26] <ezrhino> hello. does anyone know the name of the default font Ubuntu uses for its boot screen when choosing the OS to boot into?
[09:26] <markovirc> Hello ezrhino
[09:26] <ezrhino> hi markovh
[09:26] <ezrhino> hi markovirc
[09:26] <markovirc> Hello ezrhino
[09:27] <omdreams-home> not sure.. courier ?
[09:28] <ezrhino> ty i will try
[09:28] <ezrhino> i am using Grub custmizer and i changed the font and the boot is al messed up, so im trying to find the original
[09:29] <ezrhino> okay i set it to Courier, reboot
[09:30] <manikanta> /usr/bin/ld: error: cannot find -lpugixml   :??
[09:30] <manikanta> I have the file in /usr/local/lib/libpugixml.a
[09:30] <manikanta> How to resolve this , any help ?
[09:30] <omdreams-home> waht is it
[09:31] <manikanta> I'm getting that error while installing from source
[09:31] <omdreams-home> installlign what
[09:31] <manikanta> https://github.com/LSI-IIIT/lsiviewer
[09:32] <manikanta> /usr/bin/ld: error: cannot find -lpugixml
[09:32] <manikanta> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[09:33] <manikanta> above 2 lines is the error showing
[09:33] <omdreams-home> looks like its looking for a build option thats not supplied but i am jsut geussing
[09:34] <manikanta> I have installed pugixml and its location is /usr/local/lib/libpugixml
[09:35] <omdreams-home> ao what is -lpugixml then  not -libpugixml ?
[09:39] <manikanta> I dont know :/
[09:39] <manikanta> diff btw lpugixml & libpugixml
[09:42] <nevyn> Gallomimia: sure.
[09:42]  * Gallomimia gets paper
[09:43] <nevyn> Gallomimia: they're not programs really... they're components of the disk subsystems.
[09:43] <nevyn> so they're all bits of the kernel
[09:43] <nevyn> the major ones we discussed are md, cache and lvm
[09:43] <Gallomimia> packages which i must google, i think?
[09:44] <nevyn> so we discussed my prefered way to use ssd's and multiple disks in linux
[09:44] <Gallomimia> yes. a way to which i had no idea or inkling existed even! i'm happy to have heard about it
[09:44] <nevyn> and how the particular characteristics of ssd's could be best utilised.
[09:45] <Gallomimia> i've heard raiding SSD's can be tricky... any foundation to that claim?
[09:45] <nevyn> so I would not raid ssd's
[09:45] <nevyn> I would use them with dm-cache
[09:45] <Gallomimia> separately?
[09:46] <omdreams-home> raiding ssd have inherent problems due to the limited nature of ssd read write  limitations.. ie every read write = wear to death  faster
[09:46] <omdreams-home> raiding is for thruput and fast access - so theroy is faster to the death path
[09:46] <nevyn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dm-cache
[09:46] <Hellooworld> HI , could you please tell me whay's the difference between  wpa psk  ccmp and wpa  psk tkip ??
[09:46] <markovirc> Hello Hellooworld
[09:47] <nevyn> omdreams-home: that's not true.
[09:48] <Gallomimia> probably the same speed to death, but more writes due to the bigger block/stripe size?
[09:48] <nevyn> in particular the purpose and performance of "raid" varies with the raid level, device speed sand sizes.
[09:48] <nevyn> Gallomimia: no.. some raid levels (1, 4 and 5) write amplify. so a 512b write becomes 1.5kb written to actual disks.
[09:49] <Gallomimia> i have a pair of SSD's. the plan was to raid0 them
[09:49] <nevyn> you could do that.
[09:49] <nevyn> or you yould just tell dmcache about them
[09:49] <Gallomimia> better than single disks? or same?
[09:49] <nevyn> it depends if you're planning to use dmcache or not.
[09:50] <nevyn> so raid0 is just concatination
[09:50] <Gallomimia> i'm planning to "read all about it" then pick the best way. but i'll probably listen to your recommendations
[09:50] <nevyn> if you're planning to use dmcache it's actually not a benefit because if one dies the other will go offline too.
[09:50] <nevyn> so you raid the two ssd's then use that raid as a cache volume for dm-cache.
[09:51] <nevyn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dm-cache (btw)
[09:51] <nevyn> if you do that (raid then use the raid device)
[09:51] <artie> Im trying to do an install from a livecd onto a usb flash drive in my system that i use everyday. I booted to the livecd and selected the 'do something else' option. But, the live cd isn't giving me a choice of doing anything to the usb drive. How do I install to the usb drive?
[09:51] <nevyn> if a device dies the whole acceleration path dies because the raid will be OFFLINE
[09:51] <Guest38007> you wont really notice any difrence from using 1 ssd to using 2 in raid 0
[09:52] <nevyn> Guest38007: I'd notice.
[09:52] <Gallomimia> theory says it should go twice as fast, yes/
[09:52] <nevyn> there'd be one filesystem to manage instead of two.
[09:52] <nevyn> no.
[09:53] <Gallomimia> at this stage in the game, i'm really not worried about a disk failure. they're samsung SSD's and i expect decent life out of it
[09:53] <Gallomimia> and, i would also expect that if one dies, the other should be right behind it
[09:53] <nevyn> Gallomimia: so my reccomendation is don't raid the ssd's just tell dm-cache about both of them.
[09:53] <Gallomimia> also they're still in the box
[09:54] <Gallomimia> k. but still run a 3x raid5 on the 2tb drives?
[09:54] <nevyn> yep
[09:54] <nevyn> for general unanalised workload this should give the best performance by being mostly self tuning.
[09:55] <Gallomimia> i generally just want it to load my games faster. most every other program runs fast as hell
[09:55] <nevyn> so this would be my starting place.
[09:56] <Guest38007> you should have spent that ssd money on 1 really fast ssd insted of two and trying to do raid 0
[09:56] <nevyn> Guest38007: shush.
[09:56] <Gallomimia> agreed
[09:57] <Gallomimia> didn't know about this handy tool tho
[09:57] <nevyn> Gallomimia: you could. do other things...
[09:57] <nevyn> eg.
[09:58] <nevyn> you should in any case.. put the games in a seperate lvm logical volume to other stuff...
[09:58] <Guest38007> your said for games, rinning windows 7 ?
[09:58] <nevyn> wat?
[09:58] <Gallomimia> of course not.
[09:58] <Gallomimia> windows is illegal on my system >:(
[09:59] <nevyn> Gallomimia: so here's the thing. if you decide that dm-cache isn't adequate.
[09:59] <Gallomimia> bad enough i don't have an open source bios
[09:59] <nevyn> you could remove it.
[10:00] <nevyn> add the ssd's as additional Physical volumes in LVM  and move the logical volume containing the game data to the ssd's
[10:01] <Guest38007> lol ok, you should prob look into how linux handles TRIM for ssds, I'm not sure about that..
[10:02] <Guest38007> lol LVM dont use LVM wow linux 101 here
[10:02] <nevyn> sigh. really?
[10:02] <Gallomimia> !nick | Guest38007
[10:02] <Gallomimia> until you get a real name, i'll presume you're a troll.
[10:03] <Guest38007> who me ?
[10:03] <nevyn> no the guy who stole the cookie from the cookie jar.
[10:03] <Gallomimia> no the other one antagonizing a discussion between myself and nevyn
[10:04] <nevyn> Gallomimia: so the bits are...
[10:05] <nevyn> 3x2gig in md raid5 -> dmcache using the 2xSSD -> multipath for failover (optional) -> LVM -> logical volumes
[10:06] <Gallomimia> Guest38007: i noticed you haven't given any reasons for your anti-recommendation yet... is this cause you don't have any?
[10:07] <Guest38007> no not trollin jest tryin to help you out becuse some guy was telling you to use LVM which is wrong
[10:07] <Gallomimia> and yet you still haven't given reasons for that
[10:08] <Gallomimia> nevyn: i'm thinking i'll perform a clean install of 13.10 on this new rig, and just abandon the install on this single 500g. at what stage will i run an installer?
[10:08] <nevyn> Gallomimia: I would do the md and lvm setup using the installer
[10:09] <nevyn> then setup dm-cache afterwards
[10:09] <Gallomimia> sounds pretty good to me.
[10:10] <Gallomimia> and now it's 0210 here. time for some sleeping. thanks for repeating what you said a week ago
[10:10] <nevyn> Guest38007: lvm is more complicated than simple partitions. but the gained flexibility is in my professional opinion worth it.
[10:11] <Gallomimia> it's an interesting concept. snapshot backups eh? very interesting
[10:11] <Guest38007> it's more for like a database server say, if you have 100 bg hd you can add to it make it biger, move lvm's around, stuff like that, you take a preformance hit by using it
[10:11] <Gallomimia> should i map a few volumes, one for games, one for music/videos, and then the OS?
[10:11] <Guest38007> plus you cant backup LVM's with stuff like clonezilla
[10:11] <Gallomimia> ah, that's a discussion for another day
[10:11] <nevyn> Guest38007: yes.
[10:13] <nevyn> Guest38007: don't make things too big. 20gig for the os should be enough.
[10:13] <nevyn> Guest38007: so for /
[10:13] <Gallomimia> i'm reading it can get moved around and stuff
[10:14] <nevyn> Gallomimia: ?
[10:14] <Gallomimia> i'm also wondering if i need to allocate swap at all :/
[10:14] <Gallomimia> moved around... uh, i meant resized
[10:14] <nevyn> sure.
[10:14] <nevyn> that's the point. so make it 20 and if you need to make it 30 worry about it when you've used 15.
[10:15] <Gallomimia> i've never actually liked partitions, except to run different operating systems on them
[10:15] <Gallomimia> ah, that's a good point really. could let me try a few other things eh? i've resolved to get used to ubuntu before bothering with different distro's
[10:16] <nevyn> so this stack should boot with most linux's
[10:16] <nevyn> you will need grub2
[10:16] <nevyn> if you don't have a seperate /boot
[10:16] <Gallomimia> anything worth caring about :P
[10:17] <Guest38007> Gallomimia think of it this way LVM is software RAID and your running raid 0, so your trying to run two raids at once = slow
[10:18] <nevyn> Guest38007: that's just wrong.
[10:18] <Gallomimia> but i'm not going to run raid 0
[10:18] <Gallomimia> nevyn just told me not to. you were there
[10:19] <Gallomimia> is dm-cache smart enough to try using them both to their fullest potential?
[10:19] <nevyn> yep.
[10:19] <solsTiCe> I can't access the Public directory in my home of ubuntu laptop that I set to share from another ubuntu laptop. all I can see in the log is a permission denied on "stat of /var/lib/samba/usershares/public failed, Permisison denied"
[10:20] <nevyn> Gallomimia: it'll keep an index in ram of whats cached on each ssd and avoid doubling up
[10:20] <Gallomimia> but will it spread the cache around and let me read it faster?
[10:20] <manikanta> #osgeo
[10:20] <Guest38007> Ok ok no raid 0, yoae raid 0 and using lvm would jest be a mess, you mite as well install ubuntu  and make a big pile of mess
[10:20] <Gallomimia> i dunno if that's all that important
[10:21] <Gallomimia> Guest38007: i think you've had enough to drink. maybe you should go to sleep?
[10:22] <Guest38007> lol windows 8 users
[10:24] <Gallomimia> nevyn: hah. this guy is funny. Guest38007 do you do children's parties also?
[10:25] <nevyn> Gallomimia: it's not magic it can make a guess about future access patterns but it doesn't know them.it's like the perfect memory manager (swapping strategy)
[10:26] <nevyn> Gallomimia: the perfect swap strategy is swap the memory page we'll never need again
[10:26] <nevyn> Gallomimia: failling that the one we need furthest into the future
[10:27] <Gallomimia> the only way to come even remotely close to that is if your programs all tell your pager their plans
[10:27] <nevyn> right. guess what doesn't happen
[10:28] <nevyn> and they do it in a contract type way.. (ie.. we promise we won't need this for 30 seconds whatever...)
[10:28] <Gallomimia> branching prediction goes awry and plans get scrapped :P
[10:28] <nevyn> uh-huh.
[10:29] <Gallomimia> also, it'd take more resources to do that than would ever be saved or freed or shared more efficiently
[10:29] <nevyn> uh-huh...
[10:32] <Gallomimia> right. odd question now. mplayer used to work fine in fullscreen. now it goes in behind all my windows and behaves like a spoiled child. what can i do?
[10:33] <nevyn> change it's video output plugin?
[10:33] <ezrhino> hello. can someone please help me fix this font issue. please see this image of my computer http://imgur.com/ekTD0Ef
[10:33] <markovirc> Hello ezrhino
[10:33] <ezrhino> hi markovirc
[10:33] <markovirc> Hello ezrhino
[10:33] <ezrhino> oh
[10:34] <Gallomimia> i didn't do anything... oh wait yes i did. i plugged in my monitor with dvi instead of vga
[10:34] <Gallomimia> should do that again
[10:34] <Gallomimia> i'm sure it'll fix itself if i connect it properly and reboot
[10:34] <nevyn> mmm...
[10:36] <nevyn> Gallomimia: that shouldn't be necessary
[10:36] <Gallomimia> i agree. but that's when the trouble started now that i think about it
[10:36] <Gallomimia> same monitor, different port
[10:36] <manikanta> Is there any package for GDAL in ubuntu 12.04  version 1.8 ??
[10:37] <Gallomimia> seemed to dislike it
[10:37] <berty12> hi guys. synapsis touchpad here. i have the following problem, i want to adjust my touchpad that it recognizes my fingers better, like sensitivity. i dont know which value to change in synclient...any ideas? (yes.i read the wiki and the manpage. but its just my lack of english, i cant get an idea what the values exactly mean!)
[10:38] <berty12> its like i need fatter fingers to make it work problably. not the pressure is the problem. if i use my whole finger but very very carefully it works
[10:38] <berty12> just the tip of my finger (with a little pressure) wont work
[10:39] <berty12> i want it to work with just the tip of my tiny little finger ;)
[10:41] <ezrhino> does anyone know the name of the default font used for the boot screen when you can choose your OS to boot into?
[10:42] <ezrhino> i am having this ugly issue http://imgur.com/ekTD0Ef
[10:42] <Frogbarf> Can someone tell me the current version of gdb that "ships" with Ubuntu 13.10 ?
[10:45] <Frogbarf> Can someone run the command $gdb -version to check?
[10:51] <cfhowlett> Frogbarf, I'm on UbuntuStudio 12.04 ... GNU gdb (Ubuntu/Linaro 7.4-2012.04-0ubuntu2.1) 7.4-2012.04
[10:52] <Frogbarf> thanks cfhowlett. The current version of Ubunto is 13.1 correct?
[10:52] <krux> Frogbarf, 7.6.1-ubuntu
[10:52] <Gallomimia> 13.10
[10:53] <cfhowlett> Frogbarf, 13.10 is the current release.  Current Long Term Support release is 12.04
[10:53] <Gallomimia> the numbers are year.month nothing to do with "versioning"
[10:54] <Frogbarf> I am having a gdb related problem under my distro, but I reproduced it in the office with the "current" version of gdb under 13.1 "out of the box", but I am not in the office right now so I am trying to figure out what version of gdb is on 13.10
[10:55] <krux> Frogbarf, 7.6.1-ubuntu
[10:56] <Gallomimia> it stands to reason that if your system is up to date, you'll have the latest version of gdb packaged with ubuntu
[10:56] <Frogbarf> krux:  that's the version of gdb under saucy salamader?
[10:57] <krux> yep
[10:57] <cfhowlett> Frogbarf, try this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade     those commands will update 13.10 to the current packages
[10:58] <Frogbarf> Gallomimia:  the problem I couldn get kdbg to work properly under the current versions of either suse or ubuntu. The bug appears reproducible under both distros
[10:59] <Frogbarf> I installed  Ubunto 9.1 last night and the problem doesn't exist. It seems to be an issue in more than one distro
[11:00] <Frogbarf> but only newer versions
[11:00] <bekks> Frogbarf: 9.10 is end of life.
[11:00] <bekks> !eol | Frogbarf
[11:01] <Frogbarf> bekks:  Yep, it's is end of live, but the Assembly Language Tutorial  book I am using requires Insight and a working kdbg
[11:01] <bekks> Frogbarf: That still doesnt make 9.10 being supported.
[11:01] <bekks> and kdbg isnt broken in newer versions afaik.
[11:02] <Frogbarf> bekks, I know it's not supported, but it works to follow along with the training exercises
[11:03] <Frogbarf> bekks:  I reproduced an issue with kdbg under both suse 13.1 and ubuntu 13.10. The green pointer in the source window does not appear when stepping though commands
[11:04] <bekks> Frogbarf: Did you try 12.04?
[11:04] <whiskers75> What's the best Ubuntu distro for Mactel (late 2009)?
[11:05] <anup_grind_> hi
[11:05] <markovirc> Hello anup_grind_
[11:05] <Alphadude> Hello markovirc.
[11:05] <bekks> whiskers75: the supported versions are 12.04 to 13.10
[11:05] <markovirc> Hello Alphadude
[11:06] <Alphadude> you did not greet me, markoviric
[11:06] <Alphadude> now you did.
[11:06] <Alphadude> that is very nice of you.
[11:06] <whiskers75> bekks: 12.04 does not fit on a CD.
[11:06] <Frogbarf> bekks:  I have not. With all due respect, I am a  Suse user, but had to "fall back" on Ubuntu in order to follow along with the book  "Assembly Language Step by Step" by Jeff Duntemann
[11:06] <Pax> hey comrades
[11:06] <Alphadude> markoviric; now your main job is to greet people that arrive in this channel.
[11:06] <Alphadude> you are the greeter, markoviric.
[11:06] <whiskers75> bekks: and this Mac does not boot from USB.
[11:06] <bekks> whiskers75: It does, for me.
[11:06] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: that doesn't make a lot of sense
[11:06] <whiskers75> bekks: You have big CDs.
[11:06] <Alphadude> Pax; and you...yes, you. you're the watcher.
[11:06] <Alphadude> sit back and watch bekks ridicule newcomers.
[11:06] <anup_grind_> this is the first time i am in a irc chat so just trying to learn'
[11:06] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: why do you need to use Ubuntu to read a book on assembly language?
[11:06] <whiskers75> Alphadude: I am not a newcomer.
[11:06] <Pax> the watcher?
[11:06] <Alphadude> whiskers75: you are a newcomer in my eyes.
[11:07] <Frogbarf> gordonjcp:  ding ding ding..
[11:07] <Alphadude> Pax; yes, the watcher.
[11:07] <bekks> Alphadude: Neithe I do ridicule someone in here, nor I did get personal towards you. So stop your ranting.
[11:07] <Frogbarf> That is a very good question!
[11:07] <Alphadude> Pax; you shall not help; but you shall watch.
[11:07]  * whiskers75 noms Alphadude
[11:07] <cfhowlett> !attitude
[11:07] <Alphadude> bekks; shut your cryhole.
[11:07] <Frogbarf> with a very good answer
[11:07] <bekks> Alphadude: Ignore set....
[11:07] <cfhowlett> !behelpful
[11:07] <Alphadude> !behelpful > bekks
[11:07] <Pax> well ok then not even sure what I am missing out on helping
[11:08] <FireStorms> I am trying to determine the cause of a bug. To do this I must remove the package "libavahi-common3". But if I do remove it 268 other packages that depend on it will also be removed, basically I'll break my system. Is there any way to remove "libavahi-common3" without breaking my system?
[11:08] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: and what is that answer?
[11:08] <Frogbarf> When the book was written, it relied on insight which was pulled from ubuntu just after the book was published
[11:08] <Alphadude> Pax; when is Ubuntu 14.14 coming out?
[11:08] <Pax> can i be the acid provider instead lel
[11:08] <Alphadude> lel!!!!!!!
[11:08] <Alphadude> ok enough
[11:08] <cfhowlett> FireStorms, this is your working system I assume.  Perhaps better to set up a virtual machine to fix/break?
[11:08] <whiskers75> ok, this support channel isn't really support, just !offtopic
[11:09] <cfhowlett> !saucy|Alphadude,
[11:09] <Frogbarf> so i visited the errata website and foundthis
[11:09] <Htfu> Hi guys. I have a problem with a boot-error: "Invalid signature detected." - see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6813602/ for more info. Anyone care to take a look?
[11:09] <Frogbarf> http://www.stepbystep.ishipaco.com/
[11:09] <Alphadude> very saucy indeed, cfhowlett.
[11:09] <Alphadude> want sauce? get ubuntu 13.10!
[11:09] <Alphadude> ubuntu 13.10, the OS of 4chan
[11:09] <Alphadude> lmao
[11:09] <Frogbarf> The second problem with which Jeff is currently dealing, is the fact that he was blindsided by the recent release of Linux Ubuntu 10.4. For unknown reasons, the Insight debugger, which Jeff uses throughout his book, was dropped from the Ubuntu 10.4 package. Further, an Insight package is not to be found on any of the standard repositories that Ubuntu 10.4 Synaptic knows about, and I haven't been able to get any Insight packages
[11:09] <Frogbarf> from other sources to work. However, there are several work-arounds for this problem. In particular, see Solution Three below for a way to actually install Insight on Ubuntu 10.4:
[11:09] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: insight is pretty old
[11:10] <FireStorms> cfhowlett, yes it is my work system. I do not have the knowledge to clone my machine into a virtual box. So instead I am hoping there is a method of reverting package uninstillations?
[11:10] <Alphadude> who even puts these names on ubuntu?
[11:10] <whiskers75> I'm leaving until some ops clean this place up.
[11:10] <whiskers75> oh wait, I can just ignore Alphadude
[11:10] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: it hasn't been updated for four years, and uses a toolkit that hasn't been updated for over a decade
[11:10] <Alphadude> Ubuntu 13.04 (Hypnos) would be cooler
[11:10] <Frogbarf> gordonjcp:  yes it is very old, and a user can easily work with kdbg
[11:10] <Alphadude> Ubuntu Hypnos!
[11:10] <cfhowlett> FireStorms, over my head - sorry.
[11:10] <bekks> whiskers75: I just looked it up: the 12.04 alternate ISO is 746M, which fits on 800M cd media.
[11:10] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: yeah, I mean really if you're tying yourself to one specific tool you don't really understand the problem
[11:10] <Alphadude> whiskers75: why do they have to clean? I am neither abusing or harassing the godmade law.
[11:11] <Frogbarf> but for some unknown reason kdbg also does not work in the current versions of Ubuntu or suse :(
[11:11] <Alphadude> I am just sitting here getting knowledge.
[11:11] <Alphadude> I am a university student.
[11:11] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: does gdb work?
[11:11] <Alphadude> !behelpful > whiskers75
[11:11] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: (yes, it does)
[11:11] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: the install images fit perfectly on any USB stick you're likely to be able to buy
[11:11] <Frogbarf> gordonjcp:  do you have it?
[11:11] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: gdb?  Yes, I use it a lot
[11:11] <Alphadude> what is the lightest desktop environment but yet very appealing to the eye?
[11:11] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: Yes, but sadly this Mac can't boot from those
[11:12] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: o_O
[11:12] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: which model?
[11:12] <Alphadude> gordonjcp: o_0
[11:12] <Frogbarf> may I ask you to test it on the first example ?
[11:12] <Alphadude> 0_o
[11:12] <Alphadude> o_0
[11:12] <Alphadude> 0_0
[11:12] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: pm me a link to it
[11:12] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: Mactel, late 2009
[11:12] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: rEFIt just fails
[11:12] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: works just fine on my 3,1 late 2007
[11:12] <Frogbarf> sure, just a moment
[11:12] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: I've done it on a late 2009
[11:12] <Alphadude> just a moment, gordonjcp.
[11:12] <Alphadude> frogbarf will be right back.
[11:12] <cfhowlett> whiskers75, refit is no longer supported.  refind is the suggested alternative
[11:13] <gordonjcp> Alphadude: if you've nothing to say, say nothing
[11:13] <whiskers75> cfhowlett: How do I upgrade to refind from refit, then?
[11:13] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: download and run refind
[11:13] <whiskers75> k
[11:13] <Gallomimia> whiskers75: should work just fine. hold option during boot
[11:13] <whiskers75> thanks ;)
[11:13] <cfhowlett> whiskers75, not an upgrade - whole different program to install
[11:13] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: have you still got OSX on?
[11:13] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: yes
[11:13] <gordonjcp> cool
[11:13] <gordonjcp> refind makes it *easy*
[11:13] <Alphadude> gordonjcp: I have billions of words to say; but I shall let only kind ones get out from my mouth.
[11:13] <Alphadude> refind makes it very very easy
[11:14]  * whiskers75 grabs a USB and unetbootin
[11:14] <Alphadude> I still use DVDs.
[11:14] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: don't use unetbootin
[11:14] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: you've got dd
[11:14] <Alphadude> why not, gordonjcp?
[11:14] <gordonjcp> Alphadude: no need for it
[11:14] <Alphadude> dd is advanced and hard, gordonjcp
[11:14] <Gallomimia> yep. dd is best
[11:14] <Gallomimia> not that hard
[11:14] <Alphadude> dd screwed my partition up last time I tried
[11:14] <Alphadude> dd is a no-go for me
[11:14] <gordonjcp> Alphadude: it's far simpler than unetbootin
[11:15] <Frogbarf> gordonjcp:  Here is the listings archive.  http://www.copperwood.com/pub/asmsbs3e.zip  unzip it then in chapter5/eatsyscall assemble the program eatsystcall.asm in 32 bit mode then try to step though the executable in kdbg
[11:15] <Frogbarf> In the source window it is not possible to click on the plus symbols on the left.
[11:15] <Gallomimia> it's easy to find out which device to use by listing devices before and after plugging in the usb, piping them to file and running diff on the results
[11:15] <Alphadude> is it possible to boot windows XP from a USB that was added thru dd?
[11:16] <Gallomimia> from there you go dd if=myimage of=mydevice
[11:16] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: I use gdb, not kgdb
[11:16] <Frogbarf> You can enver a breakpoint, but he green pointer is missing so you cannot see which instruction the program is at
[11:16] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: no, dcfldd
[11:16] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: I wouldn't touch KDE with a ten foot stick
[11:16] <cfhowlett> Alphadude, windows xp is not supported here on the #ubuntu channel - obviously
[11:16] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: that'll work too
[11:16] <FireStorms> Is there a command to kill a processes that are using a particular package: "# apt-get remove libavahi-common3: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[11:16] <Alphadude> cfhowlett: I use Ubuntu; but I was thinking if it was possible to boot windows XP from a USB.
[11:16] <Frogbarf> I understand, but I am new, and would like to use this tool, that works just fine in older versions of suse and ubuntu
[11:17] <gordonjcp> FireStorms: that's not because something is using the package, that's because something is using the package manager
[11:17] <Gallomimia> FireStorms: lsof with a grep will probably help you find which process
[11:17] <FireStorms> gordonjcp, that makes sense I do have synaptic open, thank you
[11:17] <Gallomimia> but thats probably just software center
[11:17]  * whiskers75 axel http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-i386.iso
[11:19] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: works just great in normal command-line gdb
[11:19] <gordonjcp> http://cs.baylor.edu/~donahoo/tools/gdb/tutorial.html
[11:19] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: I know that's not the answer you're looking for
[11:19] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: but give it a shot anyway
[11:19] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: so just dd if=(iso) of=/dev/sdc?
[11:20] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: correct
[11:20] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: assuming sdc is the right path
[11:20] <whiskers75> you can do that with ISOs?
[11:20] <whiskers75> :O
[11:20] <Alphadude> :O
[11:20] <Alphadude> :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[11:20] <gordonjcp> you can do that with *some* ISOs
[11:20] <FloodBot1> Alphadude: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:20] <Alphadude> gordonjcp: please teach us :O
[11:21] <Frogbarf> gordonjcp:  thanks, I'll look over it. meanwhile I'll hit up the kdbg people as well.  My intent is to learn a much as possible without being too distracted by differences in tool utilities
[11:21] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: writing..
[11:21] <Alphadude> hit em up, frogbarf.
[11:21] <Alphadude> hit em' up with a goddamn axe.
[11:21] <whiskers75> 504Mb so far
[11:21] <Alphadude> hit em really good.
[11:21] <Alphadude> 504mb?!
[11:21] <Alphadude> :O
[11:21] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: cool
[11:21] <Alphadude> i only have 1kb left
[11:21] <Myrtti> Alphadude: this is a support channel, can you keep to the support issues?
[11:21] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: as a matter of interest, what are you writing in assembler?
[11:22] <whiskers75> there, 22528 blocks (704Mb) written.
[11:22] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: quick!
[11:22] <gordonjcp> you obviously have better USB sticks than me ;-)
[11:22] <whiskers75> Yeah
[11:22] <Alphadude> Myrtti: I am a university-student as I mentioned, while you were busy beating your Johnson as if it owes you money; I was busy harvesting some knowledge.
[11:22] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: run "sync" before you eject it
[11:22] <whiskers75> bam
[11:22] <Alphadude> Myrtti: I am only here to get more insight on Linux.
[11:22] <gordonjcp> popcorn, anyone?
[11:22] <Alphadude> Myrtti: is that allowed?
[11:22] <whiskers75> lol
[11:23] <Myrtti> Alphadude: I don't really care if you're a plastic bag, what I do care about is that the channel is kept clear enough for the main purpose of the channel,  which is to help people with their problems and issues with their Ubuntu installations
[11:23] <Frogbarf> gordonjcp:  I just have the book and would like to learn  more about programming, so I wanted to start with that. But when the tools mentioned in the instruction manual are either broken or missing in the current distros that I am farmilar with
[11:23] <Htfu> Hi guys. I have a problem with a boot-error: "Invalid signature detected." - see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6813602/ for more info. Anyone care to take a look? Im using 13.10.
[11:23] <Alphadude> Myrtti: I am a handbag.
[11:24] <Alphadude> I'll just listen from now on, I guess.
[11:24] <gordonjcp> Frogbarf: we should take general discussion of programming to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:24] <Alphadude> since Myrtti is here is saying that I am breaking some kind of non-existent low.
[11:24] <Alphadude> law*
[11:24] <Alphadude> lol
[11:24] <Alphadude> low
[11:24] <Alphadude> "low"
[11:24] <FloodBot1> Alphadude: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:24] <Alphadude> gordonjcp: yes, come there.
[11:25] <Alphadude> since it's offtopic, Myrtti shall not abuse us.
[11:27] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: USB stick isn't showing when I hold Option
[11:29] <whiskers75> Lemme try another
[11:29] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: is refind installed?  It should show up on the refind menu
[11:31] <kkkkkkkkk> hi all,. I am using UBuntu 12.04 and i burned a Data DVD using K3B, now the problem is that DVD burned successfully, and working in windows but not in Linux.  I know that in K3B, there were a option WINDOWS+Unix, but why the DVD is not working in Linux
[11:32] <MonkeyDust> kkkkkkkkk  "not working"?
[11:32] <Myrtti> kkkkkkkkk: is it a data dvd?
[11:32] <kkkkkkkkk> first few hours, i thought there may be problem in DVD or DVD writer, but both are okay
[11:32] <kkkkkkkkk> Myrtti: yes
[11:33] <kkkkkkkkk> i burned a image, but with other file and folders, not just only a image
[11:33] <kkkkkkkkk> I selected data project from K3B
[11:33] <kkkkkkkkk> and file was more than 2gb , there were some message that enabled UDF extension for files larger than 2gb
[11:34] <Alphadude> more than 2gb?
[11:34] <Alphadude> holy fuck
[11:34] <Alphadude> :O
[11:34] <FloodBot1> Alphadude: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:34] <Alphadude> I am not flooding, I type at the speed of light.
[11:34] <MonkeyDust> Alphadude  and mind your language
[11:35] <whiskers75> oh, is Alphadude spamming again
[11:35] <kkkkkkkkk> no error reported by K3B and disk is working well in Windows, i am wondering, a Linux application is not loading DVD's made by itself
[11:36] <kkkkkkkkk> I burned two DVD's in K3B and both of them are working in windows not in Linux, :(
[11:36] <kkkkkkkkk> disk spins and stops
[11:36] <kkkkkkkkk> In k3b, it detects , and its name appear in the top left pane
[11:37] <kkkkkkkkk> but when i right click and try to mount
[11:37] <kkkkkkkkk> nothing happens, and when i click load, it ejects DVD
[11:37] <kkkkkkkkk> what could be the problem??
[11:37] <kkkkkkkkk> I also installed Ubuntu Restricted extras
[11:37] <bekks> kkkkkkkkk: Try mounting it manually, not using k3b, but a terminal.
[11:37] <kkkkkkkkk> but no luck
[11:38] <kkkkkkkkk> bekks: how to do that
[11:38] <feldspar> kkkkkkkkk: what kind of data are you burning to dvd?
[11:38] <Ben64> how big of files are you burning
[11:38] <bekks> kkkkkkkkk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[11:38] <kkkkkkkkk> feldspar: one file of 2100 MB and other are small files, .exe softwares 2 MB, 5 Mb etc
[11:39] <kkkkkkkkk> it is a ISO file and i burned it because i need image on DVD instead of creating it again
[11:40] <Ben64> so try "sudo mount <dvd reader device here> -t udf <mount point here>"
[11:41] <ezrhino> hi, would someone take a look at my grub and tell me where to fix the font part?
[11:41] <markovirc> Hello ezrhino
[11:41] <kkkkkkkkk> YES, IT IS MOUNTED
[11:41] <Alphadude> IT'S FUCKING MOUNTED
[11:41] <kkkkkkkkk> AND FILE contents are visible
[11:41] <Alphadude> MONKEYDUST: FUCK YOU
[11:42] <FloodBot1> Alphadude: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:42] <Alphadude> yay!
[11:42] <Alphadude> p1ckle: IT'S MOUNTED
[11:42] <bekks> Someone please can quiet that guy?
[11:42] <Alphadude> WE ARE FULL OF JOY
[11:42] <kkkkkkkkk> but why do i need command, i was expecting it to automount
[11:42] <Alphadude> IT'S *GODDAMN* MOUNTED
[11:42] <gordonjcp> ah good
[11:43] <kkkkkkkkk> i would like to automount, when i insert it, not only that DVD, but every DVD should be mounted
[11:43] <kkkkkkkkk> and without command, please
[11:43] <kkkkkkkkk> is there any way??
[11:44] <Htfu> Im gonna post again, as i've had no responses. Im sorry for reposting.
[11:44] <Htfu> Hi guys. I have a problem with a boot-error: "Invalid signature detected." - see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6813602/ for more info. Anyone care to take a look? Im using 13.10.
[11:45] <Alphadude> hi
[11:45] <markovirc> Hello Alphadude
[11:45] <Alphadude> Thank you, markoviric.
[11:45] <Alphadude> you are very kind.
[11:45] <Alphadude> markoviric: perhaps...you're the most kindest piece of meat I have communicated with.
[11:47] <Myrtti> Alphadude: if you can't control your language or behaviour, please leave.
[11:47] <kkkkkkkkk> Why ubuntu is not stable, after so many years, with these old age CD/DVD standards?? and it is annoying to use commands for simple things, please help guys, how to mount dvd/cd without commands
[11:47] <Alphadude> I can only control my cock.
[11:48] <Alphadude> upon your mother's ugly face.
[11:48] <kkkkkkkkk> things should work out of box, just like it detected blank DVD but after that
[11:48] <Alphadude> and her 32bit personality.
[11:48] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: Your USB advice doesn't work
[11:48] <Alphadude> hey whiskers75: do you got mac?
[11:48] <kkkkkkkkk> after burning, it is not detected by OS,
[11:48] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: The USB does not show under the option menu, and rEFIt fails to boot it
[11:48] <cfhowlett> !ops|Alphadude,
[11:48] <ezrhino> would someone mind looking at my grub pastebin?
[11:48] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: strange
[11:48] <gordonjcp> ah, wait
[11:49] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: with dd and unetbootin
[11:49] <ezrhino> Ben64, are you here sir?
[11:49] <MarkDavies> Hi
[11:49] <markovirc> Hello MarkDavies
[11:49]  * whiskers75 meows.
[11:49] <Myrtti> hi
[11:49] <markovirc> Hello Myrtti
[11:49] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: what exactly is the error you get when you try to boot off USB?
[11:50] <MarkDavies> Does somebody use mysqlhotcopy here? It doesn't seem to work well with Ubuntu
[11:50] <kkkkkkkkk> Myrtti: could you help me, mounting a DVD without using command line
[11:50] <ezrhino> Myrtti, can you maybe help me and look at my grub on pastebin?
[11:50] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: with rEFIt?
[11:50] <gordonjcp> yeah
[11:50] <gordonjcp> or refind rather than refit
[11:50] <gordonjcp> you should be using refind these days
[11:51] <Myrtti> the fact that I'm an op means that I'm skilled at being an op, not necessarily that I'm skilled with fixing whatever problems you've got on your Ubuntu, sorry guys
[11:51] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: 'Starting legacy loader (\n) Using load options `USB` (\n) Error: Not Found returned from legacy loader (\n) Error: Not Found from LocateDevicePath'
[11:51] <kkkkkkkkk> hmm, Myrtti thanks
[11:51] <whiskers75> where (\n) is a new line
[11:51] <ezrhino> Myrtti, okay ty anyway
[11:52] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: odd
[11:52] <gordonjcp> whiskers75: this is what I used -> http://www.rodsbooks.com/ubuntu-efi/
[11:52] <MarkDavies> Well, mysqlhotcopy works... but only if the password is given in a comandline, effectively enforcing me to show it to anybody who just happens to wish browse processes being run with "ps" command...
[11:52] <ezrhino> no one has helped on my forum post or in any ubuntu help chat. im willing t o paypal for support at this point
[11:52] <MarkDavies> *wish to
[11:53] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: Maybe use a GRUB disc?
[11:54] <ezrhino> whiskers75, can we maybe speak next when you are done with that user?
[11:55] <whiskers75> ezrhino: sure, go ahead
[11:56] <whiskers75> What I've tried so far: USB (dd/unetbootin) with rEFIt (failed to boot unetbootin, did not appear with dd) and Option key (neither appeared)
[11:56] <ezrhino> i think i have a issue with font in the grub, perhaps the way its written. can you take a look at my grub in pastebin? I also have a screen-image to show the issue i am having
[11:57] <whiskers75> oh, I can't help there
[11:57] <whiskers75> :(
[11:57] <whiskers75> gordonjcp: any ideas?
[11:57] <ezrhino> i  dont know the defualt font name for the grub, do you?
[11:58] <ezrhino> perhaps you know of a way to just reset grub back to what it was before i meddled ? whiskers75
[11:59] <whiskers75> ezrhino: reinstall it?
[11:59] <Ben64> ezrhino: why did you ping me?
[12:00] <ezrhino> hi Ben, you helped me before so i wondered if you were here. i am having truoble i thinkis simple fix for someone with knowledge Ben64
[12:00] <Ben64> well the best way to get help is to provide all details to the entire channel, and if someone knows they will respond
[12:01] <ezrhino> i guess no one knows, they havnt responded unless i singled them out :/
[12:01] <ezrhino> whiskers75, how would i reistall grub and not break my duel boot?
[12:01] <Ben64> scrolling back through the log, you have yet to provide any details
[12:01] <whiskers75> ezrhino: I DON'T KNOW!
[12:02] <cfhowlett> !grub|ezrhino,
[12:03] <ezrhino> ty cfhowlett is this someone a total noob would find easy to do?
[12:03] <ezrhino> ty whiskers75
[12:04] <ezrhino> ty cfhowlett yes i had read that post and i couldnt find or didnt understand :/ ill keep trying
[12:08] <xondk> hey, I need a quick and simple way to get my files from my remote ubuntu server, preferably something I can install quickly get the files and then remove again since the server is getting shut down
[12:08] <xondk> any suggestions?
[12:09] <bekks> xondk: copy your files using scp
[12:09] <whiskers75> xondk: scp or ssh+rsync
[12:10] <cfhowlett> ezrhino, bear in mind that even if you scrambe the grub, your ubuntu is installed.  do NOT think the fix is to reinstall.
[12:10] <ezrhino> cfhowlett, that makes me feel better. If i just delete the grub will it remake it like it was before i fiddled?
[12:10] <cfhowlett> ezrhino, don't delete it.  reinstall it per the instructions
[12:10] <xondk> does scp work with windows? its from ubuntu to windows pc
[12:11] <ezrhino> okay im trying to understand them, any chance making a mistake ill get into more trouble and not be able to boot and come back here to chat?
[12:11] <bekks> xondk: "WinSCP".
[12:11] <xondk> thanks
[12:11] <cfhowlett> ezrhino, worst case: boot the live usb session and come back.
[12:11] <ezrhino> cfhowlett, crud, dont have usb
[12:12] <cfhowlett> ezrhino, :)
[12:12] <ezrhino> cfhowlett, interesed in connecting via teamviewer for a tip? lol
[12:12] <ezrhino> cfhowlett, paypal lol
[12:12] <ezrhino> i mean a gratuity lol
[12:13] <DrGrov> This is perhaps a OT topic but I am running 13.10 on my dad's new computer.
[12:13] <DrGrov> I am trying with this, http://www.logilink.com/showproduct/AD0008.htm?seticlanguage=en, a bidirectional IDE/SATA converter to get my dad's old IDE to show up on the new computer since it does not have IDE connectors. Any ideas on how to connect it? Tested quite a few times but does not get the job done.
[12:14] <xondk> omg, simple, easy, thanks a ton guys
[12:15] <jesi> Hello. I need help.
[12:16] <DrGrov> I do not know how to get the power to the USB it has. But I patiently waiting for any kind of help :)
[12:16] <MonkeyDust> jesi  let's hear it
[12:16] <jesi> I just freshly installed Ubuntu13.10 on an Asus and in the first boot it only shows a purple screen and it stays there forever.
[12:17] <jesi> Im not a expert.
[12:18] <jesi> Can I post links here? I found a discussion with same problem but I dont know must of the terms used.
[12:20] <ezrhino> cfhowlett, this is in that link GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT but its not in the grub and that was the only thing on that page that even seemed like it would apply to my issue, any other ideas?
[12:21] <mayankmadan> i just uninstalled nginx using sudo apt-get purge nginx
[12:21] <mayankmadan> then installed it using sudo apt-get install nginx
[12:21] <mayankmadan> but i cant get rid of the configurations and settings from the previously installed nginx
[12:21] <mayankmadan> any help?
[12:22] <wotan147> folks I have a desktop 12.04 and a notbeook 12.04 that I have upgrade to saucy. I can't ssh from one to another anymore now. Does anyone has an idea?
[12:22] <bekks> mayankmadan: Uninstall it, delete your modified configurations, install it.
[12:22] <bekks> wotan147: Check wether ssh is up and running on the target computer.
[12:23] <wotan147> bekks yes it is
[12:23] <cfhowlett> ezrhino, I don't have enough expertise with grub to say - sorry
[12:25] <wotan147> (running on both computer and I can't ssh bothside anymore)
[12:25] <bekks> wotan147: Then clarify "I cant" please - what are you doing exactly, and which error message do you get?
[12:27] <wotan147> I launch : ssh -X max@192.168.178.65
[12:27] <mayankmadan_> bekks, how can i get default configuration file for nginx?
[12:27] <wotan147> and after a while I get a ssh: connect to host 192.168.178.65 port 22: Connection timed out
[12:27] <bekks> wotan147: Then use ssh -v or -vv or -vvv to see whats wrong.
[12:27] <MonkeyDust> mayankmadan_  look for a hidden config folder in your home folder
[12:30] <jesi> Have this problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/371773/ubuntu-13-10-boots-into-blank-purple-screen-after-fresh-install but I dont know how to do the nomodeset part
[12:31] <MonkeyDust> jesi  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[12:34] <Htfu> Anyone encounterd a "Secure Boot Violation" before? It sais "Invalid signature detected. If this error presists, seek technical assistace."
[12:34] <Htfu> So im seeking technical assistance :)
[12:34] <MonkeyDust> !details | Htfu
[12:34] <cfhowlett> Htfu, that error message is coming from Ubuntu?
[12:35] <Htfu> 2 sec, ill make a pastebin, so i dont spam.
[12:35] <shredding> Hey all.
[12:35] <Ben64> if i had to guess, i'd say its from the uefi system he's trying to boot from, but secureboot isn't having it
[12:35] <Htfu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6813602/
[12:35] <shredding> I have two servers and can login to both via ssh from my machine, but i cannot ssh from one server to another (want to do rsync).
[12:35] <shredding> I can't as well ping the other server.
[12:35] <shredding> And that's where my knowledge about networks end.
[12:36] <shredding> What could be a possible cause?
[12:36] <cfhowlett> Ben64, agreed
[12:36] <cfhowlett> !server|shredding,
[12:36] <Htfu> MonkeyDust, cfhowlett http://paste.ubuntu.com/6813602/
[12:37] <shredding> cfhowlett: okay, thx
[12:38] <cfhowlett> Htfu, so it WAS working and now  - isn't.  Too strange.  I'd guess the windows recovery update scrambed your setup.  How to fix?  Hell, I don't know. install again?
[12:39] <Htfu> yeah, might just be. I belive it is a bios-update that fucked it up.
[12:39] <Htfu> Just seem like the "fast boot" option is stuck. I have disabled it, but i still cant boot choose a boot-from-usb option - witch should be enabled when the fast boot is disabled
[12:40] <cfhowlett> Htfu, that could do it.  uefi dual boot is a delicate environment...
[12:41] <Htfu> tell me about it. A few more weeks on linux and my guess is there will be only one os on my machine.
[12:41] <cfhowlett> :)
[12:41] <cloudgeek> sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 9392 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[12:41] <cloudgeek> it is not opening a port
[12:42] <cloudgeek> I also tried manually
[12:42] <cloudgeek> can body help me in opening a port ubuntu
[12:45] <Ampelbein> cloudgeek: That command you posted looks good to me.
[12:46] <Ampelbein> cloudgeek: Do you actually have a program running that is listening on port 9392?
[12:50] <ezrhino> cfhowlett, solved the issue but ty for your help, ty to anyone else that helped as well. I chose the "delete font" from the GRUB Customizer and this inserted the default font and im fine now. Be well
[12:50] <ezrhino> GRUB Customizer is confusing but so cool
[12:50] <cfhowlett> ezrafree, so easy a caveman could do it.  Glad you worked it out.
[12:52] <ezrhino> yep just needed fire to see the solution ;)
[13:05] <parapan> hi everyone - is someone experienced with configuring tor as a relay ???
[13:05] <wsp1> Anyone tried installing a low-latency kernel for Mint?
[13:05] <bekks> wsp1: We dont know, ask the Mint support.
[13:06] <k1l> !mint | wsp1
[13:06] <wsp1> It's Ubuntu based, so most likely a ubuntu Kernel, no?
[13:07] <bekks> wsp1: No.
[13:07] <antifa> hi
[13:07] <antifa> need some help
[13:07] <wsp1> @ubottu thank!
[13:07] <k1l> wsp1: no need for discussion about that. mint uses another update system so please ask the mint guys
[13:07] <Pessimist> !ask | antifa
[13:07] <antifa> sory
[13:08] <antifa> so why does ubuntu load my cd-s but not my dvd-s ?
[13:08] <antifa> I can read or wrighr cd-s just fine but I can't open or wright or read dvd's
[13:09] <antifa> so ?
[13:10] <k1l> antifa: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[13:10] <guest9393> Using Lubuntu 13.04.  Lubuntu Software Center aborted when downloading 1GB worth of packages.  The packages didn't install but I can see them in /var/cache/apt.  How to install them (I don't want to download them again if possible.)
[13:11] <bekks> guest9393: Which software did you try to install.
[13:11] <parapan> hi everyone - is someone experienced with configuring tor as a relay ???
[13:11] <guest9393> bekks, over 1GB of games.
[13:11] <Pessimist> guest9393, when you use apt-get again it shouldn't download everything all over again
[13:12] <bekks> !tor | parapan
[13:12] <cfhowlett> guest9393, download will check your cache and go after the missing components
[13:12] <guest9393> problem is, I downloaded 83 games, now I have to apt-get them all again?
[13:12] <parapan> bekks: so nice; I need some help configuring the relay anly ....I've already installed tor
[13:13] <cfhowlett> guest9393, if those games are in your download cache they will NOT download again.
[13:13] <guest9393> chrhowlett, I realize that, but I'll have to "apt-get" 83 games all over again which is going to take a while.   Is there a way to auto-configure the whole lot ?
[13:14] <bekks> guest9393: Nope.
[13:14] <cfhowlett> guest9393, inadvisable even if possible.
[13:14] <bekks> guest9393: you have to select your 83 games again.
[13:14] <antifa> k1l i can't load blanks to wright to
[13:18] <bekks> antifa: You dont "load" or "mount" them, if they are blank.
[13:19] <antifa> it dosen't sees them in any burning program it only says to load a dvd or cd
[13:20] <bekks> antifa: Did you try k3b?
[13:22] <antifa> nope
[13:22] <antifa> I mea yes
[13:26] <rustuptwist> if an older ubuntu distro is loaded on a computer can the latest version of another distro, e.g. Edubuntu be downloaded onto it so that the final result is the latest Edubuntu?
[13:26] <jrib> rustuptwist: just upgrade your ubuntu.  You can install the edubuntu-desktop package on ubuntu.
[13:26] <bekks> rustuptwist: Which "older version"?
[13:27] <rustuptwist> jrib:  not sure what you mean 'just upgrade'  'on ubuntu'
[13:27] <rustuptwist> bekks:  Jaunty
[13:27] <bekks> rustuptwist: Which version (not codename) is that?
[13:27] <cfhowlett> rustuptwist, no
[13:28] <cfhowlett> rustuptwist, you'd have to upgrade to the latest distro AND add the other distro-desktop packages
[13:28] <MonkeyDust> jaunty was 9.04
[13:28] <cfhowlett> !jaunty
[13:29] <k1l> rustuptwist: either you make a new install of edubuntu or you make all the upgrades that are betweeen jaunty and the actual latest supported ubuntu verison
[13:29] <k1l> rustuptwist: hint: new install is way faster
[13:29] <cfhowlett> k1l, WAY easier to just download the latest edubuntu and clean install
[13:29] <jrib> rustuptwist: edubuntu is ubuntu with specific packages installed that aren't installed by default on "ubuntu" (i.e., the edubuntu-desktop package).  So you can upgrade your ubuntu jaunty to a later version (hopefully a supported version).  Then you can install the edubuntu-desktop package to get the packages from edubuntu.  As jaunty is really old, it will be faster for you to back up and do a reinstall
[13:29] <jrib> rather than upgrade step by step
[13:29] <k1l> cfhowlett: yep
[13:30] <MonkeyDust> rustuptwist  http://ubuntuone.com/434GupdpZzDds9LCEcPyH5
[13:30] <bekks> The update path would be 9.04 -> 9.10 -> 10.04 -> 12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10. It will take ages.
[13:30] <jrib> if he just wants to get to 12.04, it's not too bad
[13:31] <jrib> and if you waited 4 years to consider upgrading it probably makes sense to stay on LTS releases :P
[13:31] <{Civil}> Trying to setup bind9 to use a NS for my site, seems to be taking ages/not working =\
[13:32] <MasterRoot24> Has anyone got any ideas why I would be getting the following errors logged? "Jan 25 13:25:15 Server1 afpd[446]: pam_winbind(netatalk:auth): request wbcLogonUser failed: WBC_ERR_AUTH_ERROR, PAM error: PAM_USER_UNKNOWN (10), NTSTATUS: NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER, Error message was: No such user"
[13:33] <rustuptwist> if always been a little behind the times, lol
[13:33] <MasterRoot24> The user does exist - I can SSH in as the user and if I retry the connection a few more times, it will allow login
[13:34] <Myth_noob> anyone had any experience on getting an IR remote control to work since the drivers were moved to the kernal?  I'm stuck.
[13:34] <MasterRoot24> pam_winbind debug doesn't shed much light on the issue, just tells me the user is not found.
[13:34] <rustuptwist> ok. i thought the updgrade center would bypass all the others and upgrade to the latest, not go step by step through each one. Good to know. Thanks
[13:35] <MonkeyDust> Myth_noob  what's IR ?
[13:35] <Myth_noob> infrared
[13:35] <bekks> infrared remote control.
[13:36] <OKee> Hi is there any difference between  "isc-dhcp-server" and the old one  or it's  only a change in names ???
[13:37] <OKee> and wich one should i use now ??
[13:42] <MasterRoot24> OKee: Not that I am aware - the old and isc* versions work just the same for me. I believe that it was simply renamed pre-12.04 LTS, but I may be mistaken there.
[13:42] <rustuptwist> so im using the 12.04.03 mad-desktop disc to install onto a compaq laptop (win7 64 bit 2-3yrs old) but it keeps rebooting during install back to windows, disc is clean. wondering if I should try a i386.iso disc instead?
[13:43] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist: Check your RAM using the memcheck tool on the Ubuntu LiveCD
[13:43] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MemoryTest
[13:46] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24: the laptop is NOT currently running Ubuntu, just win7
[13:47] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist: Hence, I suggested running the memcheck from a *LiveCD* :)
[13:47] <cfhowlett> rustuptwist, mad-desktop?  NO idea what that is ...
[13:47] <larry_> 1st time in chat, hope i 'm doing it correctly. i'm new t to linux had ubuntu12.04.4 working fine. a utility popup came up for cleaning unnecessary  files big mistake now i have no keyboard.i'm booting from hard drive and can't set boot to cd so i can wipe and reinstall.my typing is using 'onboard' keyboard will get any info u need if any1 has an idea.  thanks 4 any help
[13:48] <rustuptwist> cfhowlett:  AMD. it was a typo.
[13:48] <cfhowlett> rustuptwist, that makes sense now
[13:50] <MasterRoot24> larry_: Does your keyboard not respond in the PC's BIOS?
[13:50] <larry_> no responce at all
[13:53] <MasterRoot24> larry_:  That would suggest that the fault lies with the keyboard itself, and maybe not just Ubuntu. Do you have another keyboard to check this with, or maybe another PC to try the keyboard on?
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> larry_  is a wireless keyboard?
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> is it*
[13:55] <larry_> yes i've tried two others that i know work. it hard wired
[14:00] <Myth_noob> does anyone in here have experience with ir-keytable and getting remote controls to work? really struggling here.
[14:01] <larry_> MONKEYDUST all 3 are wired keyb'ds . no response from any of them
[14:03] <Munster> G'Day
[14:06] <cfhowlett> Munster, greetigs
[14:08] <Munster> hi cfhowlett
[14:09] <cfhowlett> Munster, hey.  what's your ubuntu issue?
[14:09] <MasterRoot24> larry_ Are the keyboards that you have tried USB / PS/2
[14:10] <larry_> ps2
[14:10] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24: run the Mem test. the two options i have from LiveCD are Try Ubuntu and Install Ubuntu. I can run the Mem Test from which one?
[14:12] <Munster> cfhowlett, it seems to be a problem with 13.10 images not booting on usb , trying dd to see if that wiil work instead of unetbootin or disk creator. think problem lies with the actual image
[14:12] <MasterRoot24> larry_ So, you have tried the PS/2 keyboards on another PC and they work ok there, just not on this one PC?
[14:12] <cfhowlett> Munster, md5sum?
[14:12] <cfhowlett> !md5sum
[14:13] <Munster> cfhowlett,  md5sum is correct
[14:13] <OKee> Hi can any one guide me  i want to install isc-dhcp-server i am following this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/isc-dhcp-server
[14:14] <cfhowlett> Munster, try a different USB.  they do fail
[14:14] <marz> Hi, is there a way for me to send a message to a Windows client using his IP Address?
[14:15] <MasterRoot24> larry_ If that's the case, then I would check your HID settings in BIOS, but I suspect you can't access them either. Maybe try resetting motherboard CMOS, however this is way off-topic as the issue is not isolated to Ubuntu. Maybe try Google on how to reset motherboard settings, then try the keyboards again.
[14:15] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist I'll try and check this for you now with a LiveCD
[14:15] <Munster> cfhowlett, tried a couple other distros with it already, the stick is fine
[14:16] <cfhowlett> Munster, own.  and the md5sum checks.  weird.  maybe try the mini ?
[14:16] <cfhowlett> !mini
[14:16] <hitsujiTMO> marz you used to be able to with older windows using net send: smbclient -M "Message"
[14:17] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24: im booting from the LiveCD with the shift key down, hoping that will call up GRUB. its taking its time
[14:17] <marz> hitsujiTMO: what do you mean you used to? isn't it working now? "smbclient -M "Message" <<<< I was reading about this command but can't understand it, where do I put the IP address of the computer?
[14:18] <larry_> the keyboards work on other comp (wind 7 home ed.) also worked fine till i used that utility to clean unnecessary files. if i could just reboot from a cd i'd able to feinstall i tried to rdp wind7 to ubuntu xrdp but couldnt get conectioon ggoing
[14:19] <hkr> Hey.
[14:19] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist When you PC boots from the LiveCD , the first thing you should see is a little keyboard and a little person next to it (Implying accessibility options). Hit ESC at this point and you should see "Test Memory" as an option to choose.
[14:20] <hkr> My xubuntu UI seems messed up. It looks like a windows classic theme. http://is.gd/0RFoae
[14:20] <hkr> Help D:
[14:21] <larry_> sorry aboutmy typing - good thing i'm not ur secretary!
[14:21] <cfhowlett> hkr, style icons fonts and settings - play around
[14:21] <hitsujiTMO> marz: well, being able to send a text message that forcably created a dialog on the target machine is considered a vulnerability. to add an ip: smbclient -M "Message" -I ip.of.target.machine    I'm not sure if net send exists beyound win xp anymore tho
[14:21] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24: that is not what happens with this CD 12.04.03 AMDdesktop.iso It goes to the UBUNtu background with languages on the left and Try Ubuntu or Install Ubuntu. I tried booting with shift key down as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MemoryTest but GRUB did not appear.
[14:21] <hkr> cfhowlett: What?
[14:21] <hkr> Thats not what I meant.
[14:22] <hkr> See the theme configuration window?
[14:22] <marz> hitsujiTMO:  It gives me an error though "ERROR  NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL"
[14:22] <hkr> it has a different color background and buttos.
[14:22] <hkr> buttons*
[14:22] <hkr> some other windows like the update manager look the same. with old style windows
[14:23] <rustuptwist> anyway to do the MEMTest from Terminal?
[14:23] <rustuptwist> laptop has been booted from LiveCD
[14:23] <hitsujiTMO> marz: http://ubuntuswitch.wordpress.com/2010/02/05/nautilus-slow-network-or-network-does-not-work/
[14:24] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist Take a look at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/187573/memtest-with-ubuntu-12-04-live-cd
[14:29] <manikanta> Hello
[14:29] <manikanta> How to add repository ?
[14:30] <manikanta> my mentor said to add http://ppa.launchpad.net/georepublic/pgrouting/ubuntu as repo :? any idea ?
[14:30] <cfhowlett> !ppa|manikanta,
[14:30] <marz> hitsujiTMO: Thanks, I was hoping there would be a built-in program for it. hehehe
[14:30] <{Civil}> I'm getting "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket /var/mysql/mysql.sock(2)"
[14:31] <manikanta>  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:http://ppa.launchpad.net/georepublic/pgrouting/ubuntu is it correct way ?
[14:33] <manikanta> @ ubottu : help ?
[14:33] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24: tried that doesnt want to work. Maybe I am doing something wrong...
[14:36] <Merandus> hello, i have installed ubuntu 13.1 on a vm. i cant use service command at all. it says  start: unknown job: <service.   or,   stop: unknown job: <service>
[14:36] <fabian_> hilow
[14:36] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist Sadly, it seems that way :p - maybe try downloading a pure memtest LiveCD and burning it
[14:37] <MasterRoot24> Merandus Can you provide an example service command that's failing so we can check?
[14:38] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist http://www.memtest.org/download/5.01/memtest86+-5.01.iso.zip
[14:38] <Merandus> MasterRoot24: service ssh restart
[14:38] <Merandus> MasterRoot24:  stop: unknown job: ssh
[14:38] <Merandus> MasterRoot24: start: unknown job: ssh
[14:39] <larry_> master root/monkey dust shouldd have mentioned during the  boot process  f+num lock llight blink
[14:39] <manikanta> there anyone ?
[14:39] <larry_> brb
[14:39] <hitsujiTMO> {Civil}: looks like the wrong socket path. very unusual to have a /var/mysql dir. what are you using that gave that error?
[14:40] <MasterRoot24> Merandus I'm not up to date on 13.1, but maybe it's been renamed to something like openssh.
[14:40] <hitsujiTMO> Merandus: sshd
[14:40] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24: here is what happens when I try to install. it loads (somethings) then spits out the disc saying "Remove installation media (if any) then press enter"    Well of course this kills the install because w/out the CD there is no install!
[14:40] <Merandus> MasterRoot24:  no it has not been renamed.  /etc/init.d/ssh exist
[14:41] <Merandus> hitsujiTMO: no, it says service does not exist
[14:41] <MasterRoot24> Merandus Try `find /etc/init.d/ -name ssh`
[14:41] <Merandus> initctl sounds broken.. i can't just   start/stop services at all
[14:41] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24: Im referring to the 12.04.03 CD (yes I know i havent mem tested, yet, unable to so far
[14:41] <MasterRoot24> Merandus ok, not just isolated to SSH then?
[14:41] <manikanta> how to add this as repo in ubuntu http://ppa.launchpad.net/georepublic/pgrouting/ubuntu precise .....exact command please ?
[14:42] <Merandus> MasterRoot24: yeah,  having same problem with vmware tools service, and  pulseaudio, and more
[14:42] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist I understand, but from the situation you described (system is 2-3 yrs old, random crash during install) my first port of call would be to check RAM
[14:43] <hitsujiTMO> manikanta: ppa:georepublic/pgrouting    be careful, it replaces a core component (cmake)
[14:43] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24: Wow stuff happens when 'you dont follow directions'  So instead of taking out disc and pushing enter, I pushed the disc back in and hit enter and lo and behold the menu came up :) odd So anyway mem test is happening now (finally!)
[14:44] <MasterRoot24> Merandus ouch. Agreed, service control seems to be messed up with your install there. I'm not sure what to try next - maybe someone else can chime in?
[14:44] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist Great stuff...
[14:45] <Merandus> MasterRoot24: yeah i hope so B(
[14:45] <hitsujiTMO> Merandus: try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall sysvinit-utils
[14:46] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys I am running a Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server, and when running the command free -m I see that my swap is 0, total, 0 used, 0 free.....clearly something is wrong right? Like my swap is not being used?
[14:47] <MonkeyDust> Psil0Cybin  try swapon -a
[14:47] <llutz> Psil0Cybin: check "swapon -s" if you have enabled any swap at all
[14:48] <Psil0Cybin> Does not look like it, llutz: swapon -s
[14:48] <Psil0Cybin> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[14:48] <Psil0Cybin> displays nothing just that...
[14:48] <Psil0Cybin> I did make a swap partition though when installing the system I am a tad confused.
[14:48] <Psil0Cybin> It was a raid hard drive system with a crap softmod, so i took it all off and made 3 equal partitions...one being a swap
[14:48] <Psil0Cybin> it was one big swap, but still...
[14:48] <MasterRoot24> Psil0Cybin Do you have the swap partition in /etc/fstab?
[14:48] <llutz> Psil0Cybin: check "sudo parted -l" for the swap, add it to /etc/fstab
[14:49] <Psil0Cybin> llutz: I got this when entered "sudo parted -l" http://paste.ubuntu.com/6814607/
[14:49] <Merandus> hitsujiTMO:  i did. still the same thing.
[14:50] <rypervenche> Psil0Cybin: You don't have a swap partition it looks like.
[14:51] <Psil0Cybin> rypervenche: ......really, from what I understod when I set u pthe system is I made 3 partitions 1 being the swap...and tried to raid them together...as 1 Hard drive..
[14:51] <Psil0Cybin> i guess I just made a big mess right?
[14:51] <rypervenche> Psil0Cybin: Not necessarily. Are you using LVM with your RAID?
[14:52] <rypervenche> Psil0Cybin: Probably not if it's showing ext4 though on md0
[14:52] <Psil0Cybin> rypervenche: I am not going to lie, I am unsure..I know hitsujiTMO was one of the peopel who helped me set up my system, but eventually he had to go and someone else got frustrated and just told me to rush through the install, and get it over with to just stop dealing with it.
[14:52] <Psil0Cybin> rypervenche: is this something I can fix, and just alter a few lines and get a swap going? or would I need to completely repartition, what I did...
[14:53] <Psil0Cybin> usually I never have these problems, it was my first time dealing with a raid system (3 hard drives) trying to get them running as one.
[14:53] <rypervenche> Psil0Cybin: You can shrink your ext4 partition and create a swap on it, but you'll need to do it from a live cd
[14:53] <llutz> Psil0Cybin: workaround if the rest of the system runs ok: just create a swap-file and add that to your fstab. performanceloss is marginal
[14:54] <rypervenche> Psil0Cybin: Or yes, you could just use a swapfile.
[14:54] <Psil0Cybin> llutz: yea the rest of the system runs okay, do you perhaps have a guide so i can get this going :)
[14:54] <Psil0Cybin> Its just for a work server, so I can fix it later..
[14:54] <rypervenche> Psil0Cybin: It's very easy to do :)
[14:54] <FireStorms> What tools, like rkhunter, would a paranoid sys admin run daily via cron?
[14:54] <Psil0Cybin> rypervenche: amazing!! thank you guys, you gave me so much hope...another question while we are on this topic so I learn, if I did not end up fixing this issue...what owuld be the downfall of not having a swap?
[14:54] <llutz> Psil0Cybin: like http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/
[14:55] <llutz> Psil0Cybin: without swap your system will kill processes if it runs out of memory
[14:56] <Psil0Cybin> llutz: but if I am close by, I would just restart the system and it would be fine again?
[14:56] <rypervenche> Psil0Cybin: You want swap.
[14:56] <Psil0Cybin> of course, yea
[14:56] <tajamul> sir i hav einstalled ubuntu 13.10 on my system but it is working very slowly as if in slow motion
[14:56] <llutz> Psil0Cybin: create some 500mb swapfile and you'll be fine
[14:56] <llutz> Psil0Cybin: if you see you need more swap, buy RAM
[14:56] <tajamul> earlier versions worked fine particularly 11.10
[14:56] <Psil0Cybin> okay another thing, I only found this out after I set up NGINX, PHP, Mysql, and a CRM :) LOL Would this cause any data loss? also looking at my partitions, could I not utalize one of the previous partitions i made as a swap.
[14:58] <Psil0Cybin> llutz: would I just exucute this command "# dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile1 bs=1024 count=524288" or do I need to double check, if it is accurate for my system?
[14:58] <Psil0Cybin> I am just paranoid to cause data loss :( damage.
[14:58] <rypervenche> Psil0Cybin: There is no room on the disk for a new partition if you used it all for your ext4 partition. You would either need to shrink the partition to make room for another one, or create a swapfile which you can do on the fly.
[14:58] <llutz> Psil0Cybin: how much RAM do you have?
[14:58] <Merandus> well, i do not understand at all, but i found the reason why   it's not working: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2181441
[14:59] <Merandus> like i said i didn't understand why sudo works, while being root does not work.
[14:59] <Psil0Cybin> says "Mem:          8017 " llutz
[14:59] <llutz> Psil0Cybin: just start with that 512MB file and check swap-usage from time to time. you always can add more swap-files or create a bigger one
[14:59] <Psil0Cybin> alright so I would just follow that guide to a TEE type thing and I should be fine?
[14:59] <tajamul> Intel® Atom™ CPU D410 @ 1.66GHz × 2
[15:00] <Psil0Cybin> I think think its a waste of a 1 TB hard drive that is not going to be used :P
[15:00] <HEOO> How to create a database with    isc-dhcp-server   in ubuntu   please help
[15:00] <Psil0Cybin> for that useless swap i thought i setup
[15:00] <tajamul> VESA: Intel(r)PineView Graphics
[15:00] <HEOO> How to create a database with    isc-dhcp-server   in ubuntu   please help
[15:00] <llutz> Psil0Cybin: most likeley, depends on the usage of your system. just monitor your memory-usage
[15:00] <tajamul> 32-bit
[15:00] <rypervenche> Psil0Cybin: Check our private message too, btw.
[15:00] <tajamul> 313.9 GB
[15:00] <HEOO> How to create a database with    isc-dhcp-server   in ubuntu   please help
[15:01] <tajamul> 992.8 MiB
[15:01] <HEOO> PLZ help
[15:01] <hitsujiTMO> tajamul: that apu isn't capable of rendering unity cleanly. try another desktop environment
[15:01] <llutz> HEOO: the lease-database will be created automatically
[15:02] <tajamul> but ubuntu 13.10 hardly supports other environments other than unity
[15:02] <hitsujiTMO> tajamul: you can install xfce, lxde, or any other env
[15:03] <tajamul> is there any short cut or do i have to download all a freash
[15:04] <tajamul> how can i switch to xfce on already installed ubuntu 13.10
[15:04] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24: that mem test sure is long On Test #7 now...
[15:05] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist Any errors so far?
[15:05] <Pessimist> tajamul, install xubuntu-desktop
[15:05] <tajamul> have i to download some paticular files or have i to download it a freash
[15:05] <hitsujiTMO> tajamul: install xfce. choose xfce as xsession in lightdm
[15:05] <tajamul> how
[15:05] <HEOO> i have a tutorial of creating a database in backtrack  using dhcp3-server and i want to apply it in ubuntu  please help
[15:06] <hitsujiTMO> tajamul: in software center or with apt-get
[15:06] <HEOO> i have a tutorial of creating a database in backtrack  using dhcp3-server and i want to apply it in ubuntu  please help
[15:06] <k1l> !patience | HEOO
[15:08] <VLanX> I have problems while monting partitions with correct rights, please can someone help me?   http://pastebin.com/jeFPPpLr
[15:09] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24:  nope not a one. :)
[15:09] <MasterRoot24> rustuptwist How much RAM do you have installed?
[15:09] <hitsujiTMO> VLanX: what type of filesystem is on /dev/sdc1 ?
[15:09] <HEOO> i want to apply this in ubuntu please help http://how-tohackwifi.com/evil-twin.html
[15:10] <tajamul> when i search in software  manager for xfce or xubuntu i find nothing like installing those environments
[15:11] <tajamul> i remember in earlier ubuntu versions there was option to install other environments
[15:11] <HEOO> i want to apply this in ubuntu please help http://how-tohackwifi.com/evil-twin.html
[15:11] <llutz> !patience | HEOO: install mysql-server
[15:11] <k1l> HEOO: no help here on that topic. there is enough documentation on this that you can read if you really want to test your own setup. if you just want to quickly hack the neighbours wifi you wont get help in here
[15:12] <HEOO> NO its mine
[15:12] <tajamul> so is it sudo apt get install xfce
[15:12] <k1l> HEOO: then take the time and read the documentation of the programms you want to use
[15:12] <hitsujiTMO> tajamul: or xubuntu-desktop if you want the full xfce stack in xubuntu
[15:13] <HEOO> where can i find it , any useful liks please
[15:13] <larry_> thank you  for ur time + trouble -- i'll try again later
[15:13] <VLanX> hitsujiTMO: ext2
[15:14] <hitsujiTMO> tajamul: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[15:14] <darius93> do anyone know why webgl works in chromuim but not chrome?
[15:14] <VLanX> hitsujiTMO: I've chowned and chmodded the folder, recursively, but the mount command overrides what I've set.
[15:14] <jypie> check the version perhaps? darius93
[15:15] <darius93> what do you mean jypie?  its the latest version of chrome
[15:15] <bekks> VLanX: first mount, then use chmod/chown.
[15:15] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24:  not sure, its my sons. He wrote down 2.6 so its prob 4gb
[15:16] <pikaren> is rpm superior to deb?
[15:16] <VLanX> bekks: ok let me try that
[15:16] <tajamul> Unable to locate package xubuntu
[15:16] <bekks> pikaren: No.
[15:16] <jypie> o then nvm
[15:16] <CapCra> Hi people! I have a little issue that Google can't solve, maybe you can. I (admin) want to block flash on all users (including: no videos like Youtube or similars, no games... I want all Flash out, not just ads). Any idea how?
[15:17] <bekks> CapCra: Uninstall flah player.
[15:17] <darius93> CapCra: uninstall flash
[15:17] <darius93> and youtube has html5 videos now
[15:17] <CapCra> You must be kidding me. It is that simple?
[15:17] <darius93> with fallback being flash
[15:17] <CapCra> I feel stupid
[15:18] <hitsujiTMO> VLanX: try adding the option uid=gid=`id -u sysadmin`
[15:18] <darius93> flash is soon to be dead while html5 rise up
[15:18] <pikaren> but some rpm based distributions are very successful in commercial use
[15:18] <pikaren> deb not so much
[15:18] <k1l> pikaren: that has nothing to do with deb or rpm
[15:18] <llutz> pikaren: not a matter of the package-system
[15:19] <bekks> darius93: that will happen when either diaspora is actually being used. :P
[15:19] <VLanX> hitsujiTMO: if chmodding and chowning after mount as suggested by bekks it works, I will also try what you suggested in a second time cause I've a copy process going on at the moment. Thank you guys.
[15:20] <theminority> Hey,I have a problem with Ubuntu 12.04
[15:20] <theminority> It doesn't detect my graphics plate (82945g)
[15:20] <tajamul> thanks
[15:20] <sinan_> hallo
[15:21] <theminority> Can anybody help me?
[15:22] <pikaren> so why do the successful distributions happen to choose rpm?
[15:22] <llutz> pikaren: redhat invented and used rpm and went the professional way. debian as community-driven project did different
[15:23] <llutz> !ot | pikaren but that is not to be discussed here
[15:23] <ice9> how to make video chat with Yahoo?
[15:23] <ice9> in empathy and kdeim video and audio call are inactive
[15:24] <k1l> pikaren: that has nothing to do with rpm.
[15:30] <rustuptwist> "A practical Guide to Ubuntu/Linux"  by mark G Sobell. is this still the go to book on Ubuntu/linux or is there a better/newer book?
[15:31] <rustuptwist> it was written/released around the time of Gusty Gibbon(7.10), lol
[15:31] <jhutchins> rustuptwist: On-line sources tend to be more current.
[15:32] <llutz> !manual  | rustuptwist maybe this
[15:32] <rustuptwist> jhutchins:  agreed. just need somethng i can read offline and for my son 13yrs I try to get them off the net for some hours daily/weekly.
[15:34] <rustuptwist> MasterRoot24: Mem Test passed. Complete No errors! :)
[15:35] <compdoc> rustuptwist, if youre having issues with your system, you need more than one pass. Overnight is best. But its also possible the ram is ok
[15:38] <rustuptwist> compdoc:  not sure. it was suggested cause the laptop didnt want to install ubuntu from the disc. So there were no issues to speak of. its a compaq running win7 Trying to dual/install ubuntu onto it. Worked for my other sons hp pavilion dv2000 but not on this compaq presario CQ57 laptop (AMD 64 bit)
[15:40] <Wiz_KeeD> pfff
[15:40] <Wiz_KeeD> anyone have ANY idea why in startup disk creator I pick an image of ubuntu 13.10 and it doesn't change it stays to 12.04? :\
[15:41] <sepero> Can anyone help me find a ppa for fail2ban? Google sent me to the following page, but I don't see a ppa:xxxxx/xxx ?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fail2ban
[15:41] <jhutchins> rustuptwist: What didn't work?
[15:41] <jhutchins> rustuptwist: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[15:41] <hitsujiTMO> sepero: thats not a ppa, thats the source for fail3ban in the ubuntu repos
[15:41] <k1l> sepero: click on the bottom on other versions of fail2ban
[15:41] <hitsujiTMO> sepero: why do you want a ppa?
[15:42] <sepero> hitsujiTMO: because the version in repos is broke for ssh
[15:42] <MonkeyDust> !info fail2ban | sepero
[15:42] <rustuptwist> jhutchins:  the thing is the dvd wont install for some reason . Whenever we try to install it goes through the motions then either restarts back into win7 or it spits out the disc saying "remove disc and restart' well w/out the disc in there will be no install.
[15:43] <sepero> MonkeyDust: I don't understand why you sent me that info.
[15:43] <MonkeyDust> sepero  to show that's in the repos, you don't need a ppa
[15:43] <hitsujiTMO> sepero: i doubt its broken. More likely you're not configuring it correctly
[15:44] <sepero> MonkeyDust: It has a bug for ssh. So I need the latest version
[15:45] <rustuptwist> so Live CD is loaded. i will choose 'install ubuntu' again and see what happens this time (5 or 6th attempt) Here goes...
[15:45] <sepero> k1l: thanks for the tip. I'm checking it out
[15:45] <hitsujiTMO> sepero: do you have a link to the bug report?
[15:46] <k1l> rustuptwist: some ati setups need nomodeset to work properly
[15:46] <k1l> !nomodeset | rustuptwist
[15:46] <qtgmdlqz>  有中文聊天吗
[15:46] <k1l> rustuptwist: and make sure the cd is not corrupted: md5sum
[15:46] <k1l> !cn | qtgmdlqz
[15:47] <qtgmdlqz> 哦，谢谢
[15:47] <sepero> hitsujiTMO: no, the bug was upstream
[15:48] <hitsujiTMO> sepero: upstream has a bug tracker
[15:48] <rustuptwist> k1l:  i guess it is possible that between the install on another laptop and moving to this one it could have been corrupted, I am downloading another .iso as we speak. but it loads then chokes in the middle. that is a sign of corruption?
[15:48] <sepero> hitsujiTMO: thanks for the info
[15:49] <k1l> rustuptwist: its hard to guess what the problem is. we cant see what you see.
[15:50] <hitsujiTMO> sepero: i see no ssh related bugs http://sourceforge.net/p/fail2ban/bugs/
[15:50] <Oxymoron> Anyone using Emacs Eshell in here, who can help me, or point me to another channel if needed? :)
[15:51] <sepero> hitsujiTMO: I never filed a bug, because it's fixed upstream. I have another Ubuntu box running with the latest fail2ban. That's how I know it's fixed
[15:51] <rustuptwist> k1l:  i get to install screen: 'Preparing to insall Ubuntu, the three conditions are checked .connected to power source, connected to internet, have a t least 4.7 gb free, Now it has moved to "installation type screen" I am choosing 'Install Ubuntu inside Windows7"
[15:51] <hitsujiTMO> Oxymoron:  #emacs maybe?
[15:52] <jeet> i wish to use ubuntu on my laptop (currently running windows) and i also want to still have the windows part of it working the same. is this what i need? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-ubuntu-with-windows
[15:52] <jeet> also I want to use Xubuntu
[15:53] <Oxymoron> hitsujiTMO: Thanks! Also I want to know, the Unity something. I dont know the name, the icon in the upper left corner. Do you know if the search result can be removed? For instance I do NOT want to have history tracking of files last used, how to remove?
[15:53] <sepero> k1l: Much appreciated your help. Looks like this one will work for me. Cheers  https://launchpad.net/~thomas-creutz/+archive/webserver
[15:54] <rustuptwist> k1l:  goes to generic ubuntu screen with dots below ubuntu. It has spit out the disc saying "please remove installation media and close the tray (if any) and Press enter"  Now if I do this it will reboot into windows. so I am going to put the disc back in the tray and hit enter and this will bring up a Menu with options such as Mem Test, etc. Perhaps from there I can choose 'Alt install' or something? What say Ye
[15:54] <TJ-> rustuptwist: I'm suspicious of that wording "Install Ubuntu inside Windows7" since it infers it will use wubi
[15:54] <Munster> rustuptwist, wubi is not real linux install
[15:55] <hitsujiTMO> Oxymoron: thats the dash. you can change those preferences in system settings -> Security & Privacy
[15:55] <k1l> rustuptwist: urgs
[15:55] <k1l> rustuptwist: dont use wubi
[15:55] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  yeah cause on my other sons it said "alongside Windows' not inside
[15:55] <k1l> rustuptwist: install ubuntu native on real partitions and not into windows. that will break soon
[15:56] <Oxymoron> hitsujiTMO: Thank you! I searched almost everywhere, but havent found it myself, quite embarassing as I am a experienced Linux user :D
[15:56] <TJ-> rustuptwist: which version of Ubuntu is that? I thought wubi had been dropped some time ago
[15:56] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: wubis still bundled in the installer
[15:57] <rustuptwist> k1l:  how. i can only choose what the install disk offers. I am waiting now on the Menu (GRUB?) to come up. I'll let you know what options it gives.
[15:57] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: Install Ubuntu and use VirtualBox with Windows 7, or make a dual boot. I experience a LOT of issues using Wubi, the performance sucks basicly.
[15:57] <rustuptwist> TJ-: it is 12.04.03 Desktop AMD 64.iso
[15:57] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: thanks ... rustuptwist Ahhhh, OK
[15:58] <rustuptwist> Oxymoron:  yeah I am trying to. the same disc did a dual/boot install on my sons hp pavilion dv2000 2 nights ago. not sure why it is differnt on this compaq (which is an HP anyway right?
[15:58] <devalex> hi all
[15:58] <cristian_c> Hi
[15:58] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  what do you mean. Should I be using a different disc?
[15:59] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Do you want to dual-boot both Windows and Ubuntu? In which case it might be better installing natively rather than "inside Windows" which is what 'wubi' does.
[15:59] <cristian_c> How can I add a discussion group type account in Sylpheed?
[15:59] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: Do you know if youre using Windows MBR or GRUB?
[15:59] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[15:59] <rustuptwist> Oxymoron:  I dont know
[15:59] <Munster> rustuptwist, compaq is an old pc , perhaps there's a hardware recognition problem
[15:59] <devalex> hi all
[15:59] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: Tip from coach, ALWAYS install Windows first and Ubuntu last. It is possible to reverse the order, but you will get headache.
[15:59] <k1l> rustuptwist: boot the usb and not boot windows and then run the usb
[16:00] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  I want a dual boot. this is what this same disc did for my sons hp 2 nights ago
[16:00] <TJ-> rustuptwist: When you run the installer you should do it from PC start-up, booting from USB device directly into the Ubuntu installer
[16:00] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: The problem dualbooting, there is a software called NeoSoftware I think which FROM INSIDE Windows can overwrite MBR with proper dual boot with Ubuntu.
[16:01] <TJ-> rustuptwist: From what you are describing you're running the installer from inside a Windows sessions, which will automatically use "wubi".
[16:01] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: EasyBCD its called and company is NeoSmart Technologies ;)
[16:02] <Oxymoron> hitsujiTMO: Thank you very much for pointing out the search integrity and file history thingie. Now I can finally remove search on the web, which make Dash extremely slow.
[16:02] <TJ-> Oxymoron: I tried their software this past month, both EasyRA and EasyBCD, and they both are dangerous; making absolute changes without regard for what is already there. I emailed their support but not had a response in 3 weeks now
[16:03] <devalex> hey guys i like to ask you how can i start making a new distro of linux
[16:03] <v10energy> I am looking for an ftp server that will allow me to add custom users and point them to certain folders on the system
[16:03] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  we set it to boot from the CD Not sure why it wont. How can I force it you guys, oxymoron, k1l
[16:03] <k1l> devalex: that is quite offtopic here. ask in ##linux please
[16:03] <devalex> thanks dude
[16:03] <Oxymoron> TJ-: I NEVER experienced any problem at all. But yes its possible to overwrite MBR or GRUB "MBR".
[16:03] <devalex> I am new to irc
[16:03] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Is the Ubuntu installer on a CD? From what others were saying I thought you were using a USB
[16:04] <rustuptwist> whether from USb or DVD it does the same thing, reboots back into windows
[16:04] <TJ-> Oxymoron: It wasn't that side, it was its over-writing of the BCD store without regard for what was in it.
[16:04] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: What happens when you boot? Do you get any cursor or something, which it usually does when booting from CD.
[16:04] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  this time it is DVD, the other night we tried USB, was not working
[16:05] <rustuptwist> Oxymoron:  yeah a cursor , then it starts up into Ubuntu
[16:05] <TJ-> rustuptwist: OK ... that suggests the PCs BIOS is ignoring the boot-order you're giving it... Try entering the BIOS set-up at power-on and ensuring that CD/DVD and USB are listed ahead of the hard disk, in the boot order options
[16:05] <Oxymoron> TJ-: I dont recognize that problem. But yes I can imagine it causing problems if you dont know what youre doing.
[16:05] <Oxymoron> TJ-: Also, Windows 8 has some weird BIOS thing, freaking up everything even more :D
[16:05] <TJ-> Oxymoron: Ermm, I *do* know what I'm doing, which is why I was able to deduce and fix the EasyRA and EasyBCD issues.
[16:06] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: Yes, that seems correct. THen when it starts Ubuntu, you can just go into live mode or directly install?
[16:06] <TJ-> Oxymoron: The other issue I have with them is I made a request for the source-code as per the GNU GPL and so far they've ignored it.
[16:07] <rustuptwist> Oxymoron:  it acts as if it is but then it spits out the disc and says 'remove from tray and push enter" well if the disc is gone then there will be no install
[16:07] <ThoMe> hihio
[16:08] <Oxymoron> TJ-: Hmm, thats a shame :/ Well I never use it anymore, I am using Linux straight through now, Windows sucks.
[16:08] <ThoMe> have a wifi card  Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 3x3 AGN and only 2 MB/sec in my interncal network.
[16:08] <ThoMe> with a other windows pc i have 20 mb/sek
[16:08] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: Yes when installation is done, it always say remove disc from tray and press enter?
[16:08] <TJ-> Oxymoron: me too, but I was trying to fix a dual-boot with Win7 in EFI mode, where the Win7 install had been moved from one HDD to another, to make space :)
[16:09] <TJ-> Oxymoron: I eventually fixed the registry up manually, but I had been hoping that EasyRA would save me time :)
[16:10] <TJ-> rustuptwist: So, lets be clear on your situation. You boot from the DVD and get a menu, you choose either "Try Ubuntu" or "Install", and almost immediately, and without choosing installation options or spending 20 minutes waiting for it to install, you get the "Remove disk" message?
[16:11] <Oxymoron> TJ-: Hehe yeah that sucks :P I only use Windows 7 in Virtualbox if I really need it. However really slow with 4 GB DDR3 ... which it shouldnt, but does anyway. My computer freezes when trying to use VisualStudiio in Virtualbox :D
[16:11] <rustuptwist> Oxymoron:  THAT message comes way too soon and installation is not done
[16:11] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  no . i choose the inside windows option and only like 3 mins at most pass
[16:11] <TJ-> Oxymoron: that's why my partner needed the dual-boot; his Uni requires him to use Visual Studio 2012 for c++
[16:12] <Oxymoron> TJ-: My tip is to wipe out Windows as fast as possible and have an alternative Windowscomputer, if you REALLT must have Windows sometimes, like Apple crappy shit do not have Itunes native for Linux ... seriously
[16:12] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: Really? I guess your cd is corrupt then. I would install on a USB stick or burn a new CD or DVD.
[16:13] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: use slow burning speed.
[16:13] <tajamul> i have recently installed xubuntu will it change my ubuntu experience in any way other than graphics
[16:13] <TJ-> rustuptwist: OK ... to be even clearer then, with your other son's PC that also installed "inside Windows". You can tell by whether when it boots the Window boot-loader lists Windows and Ubuntu (that's 'inside') or you get the GRUB boot menu with Ubuntu listed first and Windows usually last
[16:13] <Oxymoron> TJ-: I was forced using VisualStudio for my work and for school. In the end I used my other Windows 8 computer (My girlfriend usually uses it) and runned VisualStudio there :D
[16:13] <rustuptwist> Oxymoron:  ok I will try that, but like I said. we used the same CD 2 nights ago for my sons hp pavilion dv2000 which is older than this compaq (circa 2011)
[16:14] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: Are you swedish btw? :P
[16:14] <Rosbuntu> can i get the source of kernel?
[16:14] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist: Which Ubuntu version on the CD?
[16:15] <Oxymoron> Rosbuntu: Yes, google it?
[16:15] <TJ-> rustuptwist: I'm trying to get a clear picture of what you did on the 'well behaved' PC so we can help you on this 'misbehaving' one
[16:15] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  on my other sons it was not 'inside' the option clearly said 'alongside' after the install it boots and gives a choice of what to run ubuntu, windows,
[16:15] <Rosbuntu> Oxymoron,  sure?
[16:15] <TJ-> rustuptwist: And that's what you want now?
[16:16] <TJ-> rustuptwist: OK... boot the CD again now, and choose "Try Ubuntu" from the boot menu. An Ubuntu Live session will start and eventually load a full graphical desktop... Once there, there is an icon on the desktop "Install Ubuntu" which will do what you want
[16:16] <Oxymoron> Rosbuntu: Yes I am sure, downloaded source code myself long time ago. It is open source.
[16:16] <tajamul> i have just now stitched to xubuntu will it change my experience of ubuntu in any way other than graphics
[16:16] <MonkeyDust> Rosbuntu  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[16:16] <Rosbuntu> ok
[16:16] <Rosbuntu> Oxymoron,  r u a good coder
[16:17] <Rosbuntu> i mean i want to make drivers for my usb modem
[16:17] <rustuptwist1> sorry someone pulled the plug on the router
[16:17] <Rosbuntu> how do i do that easily
[16:17] <Oxymoron> Rosbuntu: Yes, pretty good. ALmost done with engineer in computer science and programming since 15 years back :P
[16:17] <Rosbuntu> oh god
[16:17] <Rosbuntu> im a business gradute
[16:17] <Oxymoron> Rosbuntu: However I never been doing any drivers for linux kernel :P
[16:17] <Rosbuntu> dont know programming
[16:17] <rustuptwist1> TJ-:  yeah. that's fine. is there another option?
[16:17] <Rosbuntu> ohh thats demotivated
[16:18] <rustuptwist1> Oxymoron:  Not swedish, why do you ask?
[16:18] <tajamul> i just now switched to xubuntu because of problems with 13.10 will it change my experience of ubuntu in any way other than graphics
[16:18] <Oxymoron> Rosbuntu: You probably need some C and Assembly skills :P I can, but Linux kernel code is like millions of lines code :P
[16:18]  * Rosbuntu is afraid
[16:18] <rustuptwist1> left the room I did not
[16:18] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist1: Many swedes using HP and Compaq. My advice, stay away from Sony, Dell, Compaq, HP and Samsung.
[16:18] <Rosbuntu> ok how do i edit some one else´s code
[16:19] <Oxymoron> Rosbuntu: if youre not able to code I wouldnt touch any Linux kernel code. I am experienced programmer, and almost I is afraid doing anything in Linux kernel :P
[16:19] <Rosbuntu> lol
[16:19] <Rosbuntu> ok
[16:20] <rustuptwist1> Oxymoron:  whats left? lenovo, asus, MSI, alienware, anything else? btw i use an apple. these are my childrens computers
[16:20] <Oxymoron> Rosbuntu: Anyway, I would check #ubuntu-dev or #programming channels :P
[16:20] <Rosbuntu> how about a linux usb driver
[16:20] <MonkeyDust> Rosbuntu  or #ubuntu-kernel
[16:20] <tgrebe> I managed to get most of my files out of ecryptfs upon recovering my mount passphrase. Most of them are fine but some of them are still ECRYPTFS_FNEK folders and files, mostly unreadable.
[16:20] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist1: Build your own desktop computer, ALWAYS, never buy anything complete, except laptops ...
[16:20] <Rosbuntu> ok
[16:21] <TJ-> rustuptwist: OK... boot the CD again now, and choose "Try Ubuntu" from the boot menu. An Ubuntu Live session will start and eventually load a full graphical desktop... Once there, there is an icon on the desktop "Install Ubuntu" which will do what you want
[16:21] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist1: If you want laptops, I would say Lenovo, Asus or Apple. Perhaps Samsung, not sure, they are quite new on laptops.
[16:21] <Oxymoron> rustuptwist1: But thats #ubuntu-offopic :P
[16:21] <rustuptwist1> im trying to train my 13yr to do that, hence moving them to Ubuntu, etc
[16:21] <rustuptwist1> i'll be back in about 20 mins….
[16:21] <TJ-> rustuptwist1: OK, good luck :)
[16:22] <rustuptwist1> hopefully by that time the new iso will be done downloading :)
[16:32] <jj995> when building libcxx from source, is it a best to install under /usr, /usr/local, or /usr/local/libcxx ?
[16:34] <jj995> do I risk messing packages up by installing directly under /usr?  I normally install things from source under a dedicated directory (e.g. /usr/local/libcxx) so that it is easy to remove it, but it is a pain to use since it isn't a default search path
[16:36] <llutz> jj995: put it into /usr/local/lib, check and edit /etc/ld.so.conf{,.d} to contain that
[16:37] <jj995> llutz: thanks, that is so that compiled apps will find the libs to run, right?
[16:37] <llutz> jj995: yes
[16:38] <Glitch> jj995, i usualy create a link in /usr/bin for search function/tab complete
[16:38] <llutz>  /usr/local/bin for binaries should be part of the $PATH, no need for symlinks
[16:39] <duelex> 第一次使用这个东西
[16:40] <Rosbuntu> hey dont write chinese
[16:40] <llutz> !cn
[16:40] <duelex>  /join #ubuntu-cn
[16:41] <Rosbuntu> why
[16:41] <duelex> anybody can tell me how to use it
[16:41] <llutz> duelex: remove the leading space before /join
[16:42] <duelex> let me try
[16:42] <duelex> #ubuntu-cn
[16:43] <llutz> "/join #ubuntu-cn"  without quotes at the beginning of a new line duelex
[16:43] <duelex> join #ubuntu-cn
[16:43] <ThoMe> hiho
[16:43] <Mike9863> I am ssh'd into a computer that has a harddrive connected to the router. Is it possible for me to access this network drive from my computer through SSH?
[16:43] <ThoMe> is it posible to work with  Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 3x3 AGN  ? with n mode?
[16:43] <ThoMe> with n mode is slow, very slow :-(
[16:44] <duelex> thanks
[16:44] <duelex> i do it
[16:44] <TJ-> Mike9863: You can mount it remotely using "sshfs"
[16:44] <LrdArc> it seems my rhythmbox inhibit the power-manager so my screen did not dimmed after certain minute if the song is played. is there any way to disable it?
[16:44] <llutz> Mike9863: yes, if you can access the drive on the host, using sshfs on your pc
[16:45] <llutz> Mike9863: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[16:45] <LrdArc> !id
[16:45] <Mike9863> Thanks I'll try this out
[16:45] <LrdArc> !us
[16:48] <LrdArc> hello
[16:50] <duelex> join #ubuntu-cn
[16:51] <OerHeks> duelex, "/join #ubuntu-cn"
[16:52] <jj995> is there a way to add paths to the default include/lib path so I don't need to include long paths like this? clang++ -std=c++11 -stdlib=libc++ -nostdinc++ -I/usr/local/libcxx/include/c++/v1 -L/usr/local/libcxx/lib test.cpp
[16:53] <jj995> I guess this is OK, since I don't want to override the default paths
[16:57] <fl0w> I'm getting a weird message everytime I use sudo. "sudo: unable to resolve host meg". Running "> hostname" returns "meg", and in my /etc/hosts I have as follows: https://dpaste.de/So59
[16:57] <fl0w> Any ideas of what I am doing wrong?
[16:58] <llutz> fl0w: add "127.0.1.2 meg" do /etc/hosts
[16:58] <llutz> fl0w: "meg" doesn't resolve to localhost now, thus the message
[16:59] <RobDude> Hi all
[16:59] <fl0w> I will, thanks. But what's going on? And why 127.0.1.2?
[16:59] <llutz> fl0w: use any 127.x.x.x you want, you might add meg to 127.0.0.1 too.
[17:00] <fl0w> llutz: oh, so all 127.x.x.x are loopback? I thought only the full 0.0.1 was intended for that? :)
[17:00] <llutz> fl0w: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost
[17:00] <Wiz-KeeD> hey guys
[17:00] <mene> hi, i want to ask a question
[17:00] <Wiz-KeeD> I have just made a fresh install and I need a bit of helpe with a few things
[17:00] <bahamas> hello. anyone know how I can make ubuntu 12.04 see my sony xperia m dual sim?
[17:01] <vedu> hello. which is the correct place to ask questions about operating a ubuntu server remotely
[17:01] <fl0w> llutz: Thanks man. Anyway, as promised, it fixed the problem! Much appreciated and thanks.
[17:01] <RobDude> I'm not sure if this is the place to ask - but I'm having a heck of a time booting into Ubuntu after an install - it just keeps taking me into Windows.  Does anyone think they'd be able to help me?
[17:01] <Wiz-KeeD> 1. I have a ssd freshly installed in the main bay and I did it while my hdd caddy was pulled out.Now I have placed the caddy in and I would like to format it so both Ubuntu and Windows see it (NTFS) does anyone know how I can do this? I installed gparted and it doesn't have the hard-drive there
[17:01] <mene> I have installed cairo-dock and I want to add pidgin shortcut on it, what launching commad shoud i have to use?
[17:02] <Wiz-KeeD> wait sorry, it was there in the dropdown!
[17:02] <fl0w> llutz: Oh, i pretty much misunderstand the /8 part of 127.0.0.1/8. I always thought that was a 127.0.0.1 -> 127.0.0.8 range.
[17:03] <llutz> fl0w: nope, CIDR notation, /8 ~ 255.0.0.0 as netmask
[17:04] <fl0w> llutz: well, my pet peeve regarding unwanted notice messages resultet in a multipart learning session. Many thanks again!
[17:06] <llutz> fl0w: " A day spent without learning something is a day wasted." ;)
[17:07] <Samuel_> Where can I go to get help installing ubuntu?
[17:07] <fl0w> stackoverflow, google the error message - what type of help are you looking for Samuel_?
[17:08] <Samuel_> Windows 8 is making the install horrible
[17:08] <Samuel_> And my laptop can't boot from a usb, at least im doing it wrong if it can
[17:08] <fl0w> Ah, I'm not a Windows user, can't help you :)
[17:09] <Samuel_> Soon, neither will I
[17:16] <alelero> hola que tal
[17:18] <TheProphetS> Hi all
[17:18] <phil-ns> Samuel_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[17:19] <phil-ns> that's probably your issue
[17:22] <LrdArc> it seems my rhythmbox inhibit the power-manager so my screen did not dimmed after certain minute if the song is played. is there any way to disable it?
[17:24] <cute_blondie> hi :)
[17:24] <phil-ns> LrdArc: not sure if that's a rhythmbox thing, but maybe try clementine, I use it and my power-manager works fine.
[17:26] <Guest95699> hello
[17:26] <Guest95699> can any one see my msg?
[17:26] <DJones> Guest95699: Yes the channel can see you
[17:26] <Precise-user2> yes
[17:29] <linuxearth> i am new to linux, which linux do i install? some say kde is good for windows convertor, is it true? what i do?
[17:29] <Precise-user2> linuxearth: puppy linux is the best distro.
[17:30] <linuxearth> puppy linux? oh where is it easy?
[17:30] <linuxearth> is it easy distro Precise-user2
[17:30] <Precise-user2> linuxearth: its the most fastest linux.
[17:31] <morsnowski> hmmmm
[17:31] <fl0w> ..
[17:31] <llutz> and offtopic here
[17:31] <linuxearth> fastest means what?
[17:31] <Precise-user2> linuxearth: if u want the easiest one then u should go for linux mint. its like windows .
[17:31] <linuxearth> mint?
[17:32] <Pessimist> linuxearth, http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[17:32] <khildin> tsss.... mint is like windows? then try Zorin....
[17:32] <linuxearth> Zorin is a distro?
[17:32] <khildin> yes
[17:32] <linuxearth> easy?
[17:32] <khildin> VERY easy
[17:32] <goldstar> how do I view package info on a repo ? i.e. apt-get info package
[17:33] <morsnowski> missing the technical question
[17:33] <khildin> it's ubuntu based but with a windows desktop
[17:33] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | linuxearth Precise-user2 khildin ::: this is a convo better suited for ##linux
[17:33] <llutz> goldstar: apt-cache show package
[17:33] <goldstar> llutz: thanks
[17:33] <linuxearth> thanks
[17:33] <linuxearth> i am going
[17:33] <khildin> sight hitsujiTMO ..... Zorin is ubuntu based
[17:34] <khildin> sigh*
[17:34] <llutz> and offtopic here
[17:34] <hitsujiTMO> khildin: and is not supported here and offtopic
[17:34] <khildin> BS
[17:36] <bt6> I am trying to mount a network drive on my system with fstab, but I'm getting an error. Can anyone help? Here is my line and the error: http://pastebin.com/iYHq24t5
[17:36] <cristian_c> bt6, ubuntu?
[17:36] <llutz> use cifs not ntfs for networkdrives bt6
[17:37] <v10energy> I am looking for an ftp server that will allow me to add custom users and point them to certain folders on the system
[17:37] <john32744> HI
[17:37] <bt6> llutz: That did it. Thanks a lot.
[17:38] <john32744> PLEASE HELP WITH THIS PETITION (USA)
[17:38] <john32744> Legalize and tax Cannabis on a federal level (we need your help )
[17:38] <john32744> PASS THE WORD ALONG TODAY PLEASE .
[17:38] <john32744> Legalize and tax Cannabis on a federal level
[17:38] <john32744> http://wh.gov/l5DS5
[17:38] <FloodBot1> john32744: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:41] <manlin> hi all, ssh connections from within LAN takes about 10 seconds but ssh through public IP is instant. any thoughts?
[17:45] <b3knn17> manlin: this might sound silly but are you getting to it from the LAN address ?
[17:46] <manlin> b3knn17: yeah when i use 192.168 i get the 10 sec delay
[17:46] <manlin> no problems accessing it from its public facing ip
[17:47] <b3knn17> i think it may be something to do  with DNS
[17:47] <b3knn17> whats in your /etc/resolve.cong
[17:47] <manlin> b3knn17: if DNS, what to check and how please?
[17:47] <khildin> manlin, if you add the server to your hosts file, you still have that problem?
[17:48] <manlin> khildin: its already in my host file
[17:48] <khildin> then it should be resolved instantly
[17:48] <manlin> khildin: that y i'm surprised
[17:48] <manlin> this happens from all my client LAN machines to that server
[17:49] <khildin> weird
[17:49] <Precise-user2> ubuntu channel is really always busy.
[17:49] <manlin> b3knn17: not worried about resolv.conf as i have server ip in hosts file
[17:49] <llutz> manlin: try "ssh -o GSSAPIAuthentication=no host"
[17:50] <manlin> llutz: the option is already set to no in my sshd_config.
[17:50] <manlin> would it make any difference if i call it again from command line while sshing
[17:51] <llutz> manlin: no. you might try "UseDNS no" in sshd_config on the server for a test
[17:52] <manlin> llutz: GSSAPIAuthentication=no doesn't make any difference. I will try UseDNS and let you know
[17:52] <khildin> I always thought hosts came before DNS if an address needs to be resolved?
[17:53] <khildin> so 'no-DNS' shouldn't be necessary?
[17:53] <v10energy> is it possible to create custom users in vsftpd and point them to a specific directory? For example, I have /home/ftp_folders/folder1 (2,3,4,5, etc...), so I want to create a user/pass for each one of the folders (folder1, folder2, etc...)
[17:53] <khildin> *'UseDNS no'
[17:55] <llutz> v10energy: this seems to be a similar setup http://howto.gumph.org/content/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in-vsftpd/
[17:55] <v10energy> llutz: thank you!
[17:56] <manlin> llutz: khildin: this strange thing happened all of a sudden with no changes to ssh server. thats y worried.
[17:57] <manlin> anyways i just wanted to know why it is happening. but i can live with it :)
[17:58] <v10energy> llutz: what if I don't use Apache? I use nginx...
[17:58] <wiz_> Guys, what tests can I run in ubuntu for my wireless card to check it's integrity, signal, health, speed etc?
[17:58] <Wiz_KeeD> I have just had it from the warranty and they changed the module
[17:59] <Wiz_KeeD> and the signal strength seems to fluctuate from 2 bars to 3-4
[17:59] <llutz> v10energy: the vsftpd-part should be the same, just adjust the pathes to your setup
[17:59] <top-gun-de> hello, I have an issue with Ubuntu in a virtual machine: I use Ubuntu 13.10 as a compiling-system for a multimedia-distro (Openelec). I have installed Ubuntu standard, and apt-installed the tools which are needed to build openelec. No other user-application is running. The git-repository lies in my user-folder, and building happens there as well. The machine eats up 2.5-3.5gb of Ram without anything running.
[18:00] <top-gun-de> What can I do to reduce the size?
[18:00] <v10energy> llutz: it requires me to have/use htpasswd to setup users which is part of apache
[18:01] <Beldar> top-gun-de, the vm should have a memory adjustment.
[18:01] <llutz> v10energy: htpasswd comes with a lot of packages
[18:02] <llutz> v10energy: or: http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?6,210155,210155
[18:06] <mab-foss> s
[18:11] <top-gun-de> Beldar: Yes, that's true. It should have 2GB of Ram to build Openelec. However, from other reports, 2GB of Ram for the whole machine should be sufficient to build openelec. I have set mine to 1,2GB start-size, dynamically increasing to 3,5GB if needed. Linux eats up the whole 3.5GB after a few minutes, with no open window. This is causing shortage on the host-system. I believe it does excessive prefetching for the filesystem-cache
[18:12] <top-gun-de> oops, there is a repetition in the posting.
[18:12] <top-gun-de> fwiw, I do now use Hyper-V 2012R2, but the same thing happened under virtualbox which I used before.
[18:13] <top-gun-de> afaik, the OS should be working with 512-1024MB of Ram. In my case, caching so much does not really help the build-process, but the high memoryconsumption is shortening the available ram for the compiler/linker.
[18:15] <manlin> llutz: khildin: i did ssh -vvv and got this http://paste.debian.net/78328/
[18:15] <Wiz_KeeD> !skype
[18:15] <rustuptwist> damn. what the hell. I chose cd/dvd from the bios BUT THE  installer is still saying install 'inside windows' WTF
[18:16] <rustuptwist> !wubi
[18:16] <k1l> rustuptwist: does it boot into windows?
[18:16] <rustuptwist> is there a way to install alternative or turn off WUBI before/during install. I dont want a WUBI install
[18:17] <k1l> or does it load the ubuntu-live system?
[18:17] <rhalff> what to install to get correct vendor id's for usb?
[18:17] <top-gun-de> From my understanding, if Ubuntu is installed in a hyper-v-environment with dynamic memory, "ballooning" should cause the system to reduce the memory-consumption if the ram is not needed.
[18:17] <rustuptwist> k1l:  from what I can tell it loaded the live ubuntu system. we were given a menu choice and chose install ubuntu, as opposed to mem test or check disc for defects, etc
[18:18] <k1l> rustuptwist: you can go with the alternate install iso
[18:18] <rustuptwist> k1l:  mini iso?
[18:18] <k1l> !alternate | rustuptwist
[18:18] <rustuptwist> !Something else
[18:19] <k1l> no, for 12.04 there still is alternate cd without the live system or wubi
[18:19] <rustuptwist> k1l:  i can chose 'something else' i just have to know what i am doing in terms of which partition to chose to put the ubuntu, etc
[18:22] <k1l> rustuptwist: manual partitioning should not be a problem
[18:22] <rustuptwist> k1l:  for the alternative I will need to use the command line yes?
[18:22] <k1l> rustuptwist: no. that is like the old windows installer. just not a full live cd
[18:22] <rustuptwist> k1l:  i think not just need to be able to tell what is what. this is not my forte
[18:23] <rustuptwist> k1l:  not familiar with the 'old windows installer'
[18:23] <k1l> rustuptwist: to make it short: its foolproof easy
[18:24] <rustuptwist> k1l:  i can either go back and choose alternate install on this CD or choose 'something else' and have you help me with the partition situation, if you are able
[18:25] <rustuptwist> k1l:  my net connection in this part of the world is a bit slow, so to download another .iso might be awhile
[18:27] <k1l> rustuptwist: if you have specific questions the channel can help.
[18:28] <loki_> Hey guys.  is anyone around to help me out with rsync?  I am sure I am missing something small
[18:28] <k1l> i am not always available
[18:30] <compdoc> how is rsync not working?
[18:30] <loki_> I have setup rsync to copy some files to a network drive.  the task runs and creates the folders, but it doesn't copy the files
[18:31] <compdoc> and if you run the same command in a terminal?
[18:31] <loki_> compdoc: same behavior
[18:32] <loki_> I get some errors, but I don't understand how to correct them.  rsync noob here.
[18:32] <compdoc> is it a long command? maybe pastebin.com?
[18:32] <loki_> compdoc: the command or the output?
[18:32] <rustuptwist> k1l:  whats the difference between f4 modes and f6 other options during the installation process ( they are options i can choose)
[18:32] <compdoc> both
[18:32] <rustuptwist> !modes
[18:32] <loki_> ok, let me gather the info
[18:33] <k1l> rustuptwist: see the options that are listed then. i dont know out of my head
[18:33] <chezzypop> What do you guys use to convert mkv to dvd's with?
[18:33] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: the modes are for different types of installs. such as minimal system vs standard base.
[18:34] <loki_> compdoc: it is going to take a few.
[18:34] <rustuptwist> im trying to install alongside win7 NOT inside. i assume OEM install or 'use driver update disc' will not help with that
[18:34] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: the options in f6 are kernel parameter options. they're common options that some may need to set in order to boot the system
[18:34] <loki_> but the command is: rsync --ignore-existing -raz --progress /source/folder /destination/folder
[18:34] <Left_Turn> my wireless went down. it says "Wireless is disabled by hardware switch".. my wireless button doesnt turn it back on... what gives?
[18:35] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: nope, is this server install or desktop?
[18:35] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  desktop
[18:36] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: once you get into the installer itself, ubiquity, it will ask you if you want to install alongside windows
[18:36] <hitsujiTMO> Left_Turn: can you pastebin the output of: rfkill list
[18:36] <loki_> compdoc: does anything look wrong with the command?
[18:36] <Beldar> Left_Turn, There are handfuls of possibility's generally associated with the wifi hardware, run lspci in the terminal find that info and include it in your queries to the channel.
[18:37] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  it only asks for an install 'inside' windows NOT alongside as it did with my other sons hp
[18:37] <able> strange... trying to install ubuntu server on a laptop with an exisiting windows installation (gpt layout). for some reason the installer sees all the space as free
[18:37] <k1l> rustuptwist: btw, i suggest you first resize windows with the windows intern disk tool to make space for ubuntu
[18:37] <thetae> has anyone been able to successfully connect via VNC from ubuntu 13.10 to a mac running OS X Mavericks?
[18:37] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: are you using wubi?
[18:37] <able> fdisk -l /dev/sdX shows the existing parts (warns about gpt layout though)
[18:37] <Beldar> able, open gpafrted and count the partitions shown and tells us that info.
[18:38] <compdoc> loki_, no, seems reasonable. Just a sec...
[18:38] <Beldar> gparted
[18:38] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  not purposely. it seems the install disk is though
[18:38] <Left_Turn> ok let me check thanks
[18:38] <able> Beldar, no gparted on the install disk?
[18:38] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: did you boot the disk? or did you run it from within windows?
[18:38] <Beldar> able, there is.
[18:38] <sayah> Hi everyone, does anyone know what the minimum hardware config that is necessary to run Compiz with the revolving cube?.
[18:39] <Left_Turn> hitsujiTMO, $ rfkill list
[18:39] <Left_Turn> 0: phy0: Wireless LAN
[18:39] <Left_Turn> 	Soft blocked: no
[18:39] <Left_Turn> 	Hard blocked: yes
[18:39] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  selected CD/dvd boot in the BIOS then booted from the disc
[18:39] <Beldar> able, This is what disc your using, sudo fdisk -l will tell us to.
[18:39] <k1l> Left_Turn: make sure the hardware switch is on and not off
[18:40] <k1l> Left_Turn: as you see it says the hardware switch is turned off
[18:40] <Beldar> able, If this is a msdos partition table you can have a max of 4 primary partition.
[18:40] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: ok. then as k1l suggested, got back into windows, go to the administrative tools in the control panel, goto disk management and resize down the windows partition
[18:40] <able> Beldar, its gpt
[18:40] <able> fdisk says so too
[18:41] <Beldar> able, Ah good, not sure the server has a uefi install, others here will know better and what to do.
[18:41] <able> Beldar, same with a debian install cd
[18:41] <loki_> compdoc: the strange thing about this is it looks like it is actually doing something.  it takes a while to do what it needs to do, but on the destination the files aren't there
[18:42] <hitsujiTMO> Left_Turn: sudo rfkill unblock 0
[18:42] <Beldar> able, If needed there is a #ubuntu-server channel.
[18:42] <hitsujiTMO> Left_Turn: then once again pastebin the output of: rfkill list
[18:43] <Left_Turn> same output as last time hitsujiTMO
[18:44] <Beldar> sayah, The minimal hard ware needed for ubuntu should cover that overall.
[18:44] <loki_> compdoc: this is rsync'ing to a network drive.  the drive is mounted to a mount point in the fstab so the rsync destination is that mount point.  I really am confused.  this is the first time I am using rsync, but it seems pretty straightforward.  I am sure I am missing something small is all.
[18:44] <kostkon> Left_Turn, also try sudo rfkill unblock all
[18:44] <hitsujiTMO> Left_Turn: pastebin the output of: lspci -knn | grep Network -A2
[18:45] <compdoc> loki_, I was trying to connect to a couple server where I run many rsync commands, but they are both down. try
[18:45] <Left_Turn> ok 1 sec
[18:45] <sayah> Beldar: I tried everyting but Compiz doen´t run.  Everyting else works great.
[18:46] <Left_Turn> hitsujiTMO, http://bpaste.net/show/p4SAtmXb8c2Eqs1Ie1Hw/
[18:46] <Beldar> sayah, unity is a plugin in compiz, do you have the desktop working?
[18:46] <compdoc> oops, *trying another
[18:47] <hitsujiTMO> Left_Turn: whats the output of: uname -a
[18:47] <sayah> Beldar: Yes, unity, gnome.
[18:47] <loki_> compdoc: ah.
[18:47] <loki_> compdoc: what is it you want me to try?
[18:48] <Beldar> sayah, unity, gnome? is a bit confusing, can you be more specific.
[18:48] <Left_Turn> http://bpaste.net/show/GjxR6sznJ2ykDstvK9kM/ hitsujiTMO
[18:48] <Pessimist> Beldar, unity is a shell for gnome, you can consider it like a compiz plugin
[18:48] <MonkeyDust> sayah  unity is a compiz shell over gnome3
[18:48] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  how do i know which one to resize D or E?
[18:48] <Beldar> Pessimist, that is incorrect, and I'm not a noob
[18:49] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: whichever you think is more appropriate
[18:49] <sayah> Beldar: i can log into all the desktops, but no gnome3, just gnome2
[18:49] <llutz> loki_: that rsync command itself is working fine, to local drive as fine as to a sshfs-location. must be something else
[18:49] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: depends on what you want
[18:49] <loki_> llutz: any ideas where I should look
[18:49] <loki_> ?
[18:49] <llutz> loki_: no sorry
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> sayah  it looks like gnome2, but it's gnome3, it's called ubuntu classic
[18:50] <Beldar> sayah, Ah, do you mean the pseudo gnome 2 fallback? and are you trying to get the cube there or unity?
[18:50] <sayah> Beldar: I have that, and my hardware can display 3d effects on windows
[18:50] <llutz> loki_: can you pastebin the output of "ls -lRa /source/folder /target/folder" please?
[18:50] <loki_> llutz: let me have a look
[18:50] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  what will this do?
[18:51] <sayah> MonkeyDust: I can load classic. but no joy with any compiz stuff.
[18:51] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  just to understand whats going on a a bit more, thx
[18:51] <ag74> huhu
[18:51] <Beldar> sayah, It helps if you read the questions and answer them as is, so in unity you have the desktop, but no cube?
[18:51] <sayah> Beldar: yes.
[18:51] <hitsujiTMO> Left_Turn: seems to be some sort of known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1080045 but has not been addressed. Updating to a later kernel stack may be an option
[18:52] <Left_Turn> oh i see hitsujiTMO .. thanks ill look into updating
[18:52] <loki_> llutz: there is a lot of data here.  could you tell me what we are looking for?
[18:52] <Beldar> sayah, Cool, be sure to address issue one at a time, not 3 desktop environments, I do not use unity, so others will be better help.
[18:53] <llutz> !paste | loki_ can you pastebin it here please
[18:53] <Thor446> I found a flash drive!  Do I put the .iso on the drive directly, or unpack it and put the contents in?
[18:53] <loki_> llutz: I know how to pastebin it, but there is a lot of personal info in the file.  trying to figure out what we are looking for.  it seems like you may be thinking permissions?
[18:53] <kostkon> Left_Turn, just get the saucy stack, 12.04.4 will have that soon,  i.e. linux-generic-lts-saucy. instructions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[18:53] <llutz> loki_: ah ok
[18:54] <Beldar> Thor446, There handfuls of usb loaders, unetbootin is one commonly used.
[18:54] <MonkeyDust> Thor446  use a bootable usb creator, unetbootin or so
[18:54] <ag74> is there anybody how knows an good GTK+ Tutorial ?
[18:54] <MonkeyDust> Beldar  was faster :)
[18:54] <Thor446> Ah, forgot about that, thanks
[18:54] <loki_> llutz: is that what you were thinking?
[18:54] <llutz> loki_: "find source/folder -type f|wc -l"  "find source/folder -type f|wc -l"  2 anonymous numbers only .)
[18:54] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  ok i have 133gb unallocated. That should be fine?
[18:54] <Left_Turn> thanks kostkon
[18:54] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: basically, your windows partitions are taking up all the space, but the ubuntu install wont resize it. You need to downsize it in windows. Usually you'd downsize a partition that has the most free space and then move all partitions forward such that all free spaces is to the end of the drive/extended partition
[18:54] <whiskers75> I've installed Ubuntu onto a Mac; however, when selecting linux from refind, it boots into grub, and I cannot use the keyboard to select anything to boot.
[18:54] <Thor446> What's Space used to preserve files across reboots?
[18:54] <loki_> llutz: ok.  let me have a look
[18:54] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: thats more than enough for ubuntu
[18:54] <llutz> loki_: "find source/folder -type f|wc -l"  "find target /folder -type f|wc -l"  2 anonymous numbers only .)  sry
[18:55] <hitsujiTMO> Left_Turn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack if you want to try an update
[18:55] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  just wanted to give ubuntu some big love, lol
[18:55] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  so the unallocated reading from left to right is at the end (last box on the right) that is correct?
[18:55] <Left_Turn> thanks hitsujiTMO .. kostkon also provided the link.. im reading it now.. thanks
[18:56] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: yup thats good
[18:56] <ag74> i used Xubuntu now, and I am very happy with it. by the way :)
[18:56] <loki_> llutz: 1509 for source, 3 for dest.
[18:56] <hitsujiTMO> Left_Turn: ahh cool. just replace quantal with saucy in the first line given
[18:57] <Left_Turn> hitsujiTMO, ah ok.. will do
[18:57] <rustuptwist> ag74:  is it that much different from ubuntu, assuming that is what you were using before?
[18:58] <llutz> loki_: really odd... "cp source/folder/onefile target/folder"  does it work?
[18:58] <loki_> llutz: ok.  let me try
[18:59] <sh0t> hi guys! I am still having big problems installing Ubuntu 13.10 in dual boot with Windows 8 on my HP Envy because of issues related to UEFI/SecureBoot and all these things. Anyway I eventually installed it and now  it doesn't boot so i restarted the live ubuntu on my usb i installed boot-repair and now it gets stuck in the "scanning systems (os-prober)" initial phase
[18:59] <loki_> llutz: no
[19:00] <ag74> I used Ubuntu before, but there always came on error-message (CRASH), with XFCE is my life easier :), I dont like Unity
[19:00] <sh0t> any idea?
[19:00] <llutz> loki_: but 1st rsync run created the dirs? sounds like permission issue
[19:00] <rustuptwist> ag74:  what kind of machine did you have it installed on? laptop, desktop, new, old?
[19:00] <llutz> loki_: "ls -ld target/folder"
[19:00] <loki_> llutz: yes.  created dirs.  I had to run that cp command as super user, but it didn't copy it still.
[19:00] <loki_> llutz: ok, hang on
[19:01] <llutz> loki_: "mount |grep target
[19:01] <loki_> llutz: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Jan 25 10:58 /dest/folder
[19:02] <loki_> llutz: second command returned nothing
[19:02] <ag74> Its a Desktop PC with 4 GB RAM, Intel Q9300 and an Intel Onboard GfXchip
[19:02] <llutz> loki_: replace "target" by the real mountpointname
[19:02] <loki_> llutz: that's what I did.  mount | grep /dest/folder
[19:02] <loki_> llutz: correct syntax?
[19:03] <llutz> loki_: only mountpoint, not path ".... grep dest"
[19:03] <loki_> llutz: ah, ok.  mount | grep /media/ returns nothing.  as does mount | grep /media
[19:04] <rustuptwist> ag74:  how old?
[19:05] <loki_> llutz: my issue is basically the same as this one: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/rsync-not-copying-files-no-error-shown-755605/
[19:05] <loki_> llutz: error code 23 I have seen.  my main.c and sender info was different IIRc
[19:06] <hitsujiTMO> loki_: get anything when you add the -v flag?
[19:07] <llutz> loki_: check the permissions of the mounted filesystem. for a test umount and mount it again, try to copy a single file
[19:07] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: add the -v flag to which command?
[19:07] <hitsujiTMO> loki_: rsync
[19:07] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: let me try
[19:07] <loki_> llutz: sec.
[19:07] <hitsujiTMO> loki_: -v is for increased verbosity. might give you a better idea of whats going on
[19:08] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: odd.  it looks like it completed, but the file isn't at the destination
[19:09] <hitsujiTMO> loki_: whats the exact command you're using? what is the target filesystem?
[19:09] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: this is the output
[19:09] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6815993/
[19:09] <rustuptwist> !gnome 2.x
[19:09] <rustuptwist> !Unity
[19:09] <hitsujiTMO> loki_: are you missing -r ?
[19:10] <rustuptwist> !notunity
[19:10] <Wh4tTheFvk> IF YOU LIKE TEENS WITH GREAT TITS, VISIT MY BLOG AT HTTP://AWESOMETNA.BLOGSPOT.CA
[19:10] <Wh4tTheFvk> IF YOU LIKE TEENS WITH GREAT TITS, VISIT MY BLOG AT HTTP://AWESOMETNA.BLOGSPOT.CA
[19:10] <FloodBot1> Wh4tTheFvk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:10] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: the exact command I used was "rsync --ignore-existing -raz --progress -v /mnt/samba/Docs/file /dest/dir"
[19:11] <loki_> llutz: is there a way I can test permissions without umounting and mounting again?  there are a lot of drives mounted to this box.
[19:11] <loki_> llutz: OOORRR....can I just amount that one mount point?
[19:11] <loki_> llutz: sorry for the noob question
[19:11] <llutz> loki_: ls -ld /dir/to/check          sudo umount /mnt/point
[19:12] <hitsujiTMO> loki_: why the ignore-existing?
[19:12] <loki_> llutz: /dir/to/check is on the remote system?
[19:12] <llutz> loki_: the destination/path
[19:12] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: I only want it to write files that have been changed or are new.  is that unnecessary?
[19:12] <hitsujiTMO> loki_: yes its unnecessary
[19:12] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: would it cause the copy to fail with it in there?
[19:13] <hitsujiTMO> loki_: if your trying to copy a file that differs then it will fail
[19:14] <loki_> llutz: ls -ld returns this "drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Jan 25 10:58 /mount/point/"
[19:14] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: hmm.  let me try again without that in there and see what happens
[19:14] <hitsujiTMO> loki_: are you running the command as root?
[19:14] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: I have tried both ways
[19:15] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: just tried again without ignore-existing and it didn't work
[19:15] <loki_> llutz: let me amount and mount
[19:16] <konnor> anyone know when Counter Strike Global Offence will come to linux?
[19:16] <konnor> it's made by valve
[19:16] <rustuptwist> the 142gb free space is being defined as 'unusable' When I select it a message pops up saying "no root file system is defined" Please correct from the partitioning menu
[19:16] <loki_> llutz: very very strange indeed.  it wasn't mounted.
[19:16] <DJones> konnor: Probably best emailing valve, they're the only ones who will know
[19:17] <konnor> ok i love valve!
[19:17] <loki_> llutz: after doing the umount/mount it successfully copied a file over.  any idea why, even though it is in the fstab and I ran mount -a after entering it in the fstab it wouldn't be there?
[19:18] <llutz> loki_: remote-fs timeout or something? i don't know
[19:19] <loki_> llutz: hmm.  possibly.  thanks, I am going to try to do the whole directory and see what happens
[19:19] <llutz> loki_: you may check dmesg or /var/log/syslog for info on that. maybe there's something in the logs
[19:19] <loki_> llutz: ok.  will have a look in a sec.
[19:19] <DoctorCebolla> hi, anyone who speaks spanish? i'm new in ubuntu
[19:19] <DJones> !es | DoctorCebolla
[19:19] <kostkon> !es | DoctorCebolla
[19:19] <DoctorCebolla> many thanks DJones
[19:20] <rustuptwist> this is getting aggravating  >:(
[19:20] <DJones> DoctorCebolla: You're welcome
[19:20] <rustuptwist> :@
[19:21] <rustuptwist> so the partition resize that i did is unusable in Ubuntu damn. cant just install ubuntu
[19:22] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: if there were 4 primary partitions and you resized down the last extended partition then you can just size the extended partition up again and install to the free spance in that
[19:23] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  but why is the partion unusable did the resize change it from ntfs to someting else. I dont understand, seems illogical a frustrating as Hell!
[19:23] <llutz> !info aiccu
[19:26] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  there are 4 and the 5th is what i created by resizing
[19:26] <sh0t> hi guys i am trying to run boot-repair to fix the fact that on my new HP the ubuntu just installed doesnt boot
[19:26] <sh0t> but boot-repair gets stuck
[19:26] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: dont create a partition. just leaveit as fre space
[19:26] <sh0t> on the initial phase *scaning systems*os-prober
[19:26] <Rarrikins> What's a high-quality HE-AAC encoder?
[19:26] <darkangel> curious* What is QA Testing?
[19:27] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  that is what I thought I did. In the ubuntu installer it is identified as 'free space"
[19:27] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: can you pop into the live cd and pastebin the output of: sudo fdisk -l
[19:28] <rustuptwist> damn it would probably be easier tu install OSX onto this win laptop then ubuntu so far, sheesh
[19:28] <yalchin-38> Привет всем !
[19:29] <rustuptwist> !ru
[19:30] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yeah give me a minute and I will do just that
[19:30] <yalchin-38> Привет
[19:30] <rustuptwist> !gr
[19:31] <rustuptwist> !ru | yalchin-38
[19:33] <yalchin-38> Здравствуйте всем !
[19:34] <Beldar> sh0t, On the webpage for bootrepair is a link to the ubuntu forums thread of the apps developer, you might post there.
[19:34] <sh0t> ok Beldar thx for the info
[19:35] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  best i could do is this: cause its on a different machine than what i am using to access this channel: http://campl..us/jnZZQQGj8je
[19:35] <Beldar> sh0t, I suspect you have a uefi setup, there is excellent help on the forums for this, people focused on this specific area
[19:35] <rustuptwist> oops http://campl.us/jnZZQQGj8je
[19:36] <sh0t> Beldar, your suspects are correct! i do have that thing and i struggled allot to install ubuntu now i am trying to make it boot somehow...i'll give a look to that link
[19:36] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  or how do i access this channel via firefox then i can send you a cut and paste from the machine itself.
[19:37] <hitsujiTMO> coming up with page not found :(
[19:37] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  otherwise here is the screen shot : http://campl.us/jnZZQQGj8je 
[19:37] <hewhomust> rustuptwist,  kiwiirc is  a nice web client
[19:37] <rustuptwist> http://campl.us/jnZZQQGj8jeJE
[19:37] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: use paste.ubuntu.com to paste to that.
[19:37] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  wait
[19:38] <llutz> rustuptwist: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu
[19:39] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816131/
[19:40] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: you have used the maximum number of partitions possible in your drive.
[19:41] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: when sda4 was created it should have been created in an extended partition, which would allow you to create more partitions
[19:43] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816153/
[19:43] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  HOW IS that? can you see it all better?
[19:44] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: but bad news
[19:44] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: you have used the maximum number of partitions possible in your drive.
[19:44] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: when sda4 was created it should have been created in an extended partition, which would allow you to create more partitions
[19:44] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  ok. so what should i do now? go back and..?
[19:45] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: the fix would be to image sda4 off the drive, create an extended partition in its place, then image it back to a logical partition within the extened partition
[19:46] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: you would need another drive to use that had more free space than the total size of the sda4 partition
[19:46] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  sounds complicated. any other options?
[19:46] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: afraid not
[19:46] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: There is another way :)
[19:46] <rustuptwist> damn this is crazy. all this just to install ubuntu on a laptop. i cant believe that
[19:46] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: well, whats on that partition?
[19:47] <TJ-> rustuptwist: You seen to be cursed; I don't know of anyone else had so many issues, and usually I'm the one that gets hit by all this kind of thing
[19:47] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Can you wait 5 minutes whilst I discuss a possible workaround with hitsujiTMO ?
[19:47] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: well, actuall yeah, copying the contents off
[19:47] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: No, better than that, if we want to avoid using another drive.
[19:48] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  yeah I can wait this is day 3 of this sh%8T
[19:48] <rustuptwist> no offense to you guys
[19:48] <rustuptwist> just frustrating as hell
[19:48] <hitsujiTMO> understandable
[19:48] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: fire away
[19:48] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: sda4 ends at sector 697833471. The drive ends at 976773167. We could simply 'dd' sda4 up into the unused space starting at some sector offset above the end of sda4.
[19:49] <rustuptwist> when i access the drives or partiions via the ubuntu home folder mechanism it shows 3 partions and the system reserve
[19:49] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: We now have a bitwise copy of sda4. We can then delete the partition table entry for sda4, create an extended, create a logical of the same sector count as the current sda4, and the dd the backup sectors into the new sda5
[19:49] <rustuptwist> what is weird is that 2 are 74gb each and one is 210gb
[19:49] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: ahh yeah i get ya.
[19:50] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: safe too .. as long as rustuptwist does nothing else with the drives except the explicit instructions we give
[19:50] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: sounds like a plan
[19:50] <tekk> hey guys, I have a bunch of Late 2012 Mac Mini's, they use the BCM57765 chipset for Ethernet which is supported by newer versions of the tg3 driver from broadcom... on 12.10 and below (which is what i've tested) I have to manually compile and install this tg3 variant.... removing the stock one... does anyone know if support in newer ubuntu versions is better? i think it was even included in newer versions of the linux kernel.
[19:50] <rigo88> hi. the remote sends mce remote signals in 13.04@3.13kernel, and had sent keyboard signals with 12.04@3.6.3kernel. howsthat? how can i force the system to fetch keyboard presses instead of stupid mce remote signals?
[19:51] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: The backup would start at 831899696 according to my calculation... want to check me on that before we start?
[19:52] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO:  I did echo "976773168-(72436736*2)"|bc
[19:52] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: give me a few mins. just finishing my dinner
[19:52] <rustuptwist> as for the drives they do not seem to have much on them but folders with numbers, e.g. 1029, 1028 and in these folders is eula.rtf, localizedData.xml, and SetupResources.dll
[19:52] <Beldar> tekk, Better is an opinion, you will have to decide that yourself really.
[19:53] <rustuptwist> as for important files, my son backed them all up to Dropbox a few days ago when we first started this process
[19:53] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: OK ... I'm assuming fdisk is using 1K block suze, not 4K since sda1 looks to be the Windows System Reserved file-system which is usually 100MB
[19:53] <tekk> Beldar, more i'm asking, is BCM57765 supported in newer ubuntu versions?
[19:53] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: block size is listed here http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816153/
[19:53] <TJ-> rustuptwist: We've got a sneaky workaround for you, give us a few minutes
[19:53] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Using that as my base
[19:53] <rustuptwist> so we can use any of those drives as long  as they dont contain the win7 system resources, programs, etc. with me TJ– and hitsujiTMO ?
[19:55] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  cool btw system reserved is total of 104.9mb / 25.4 used 79.4 free according to properties box via Ubuntu
[19:56] <TJ-> rustuptwist: We're going one better, the plan is to make a backup of the current sda4 in *unused* space at the end of the drive. That then allows us to 'delete' sda4 entry, replace it with an Extended partition entry, and then create new partitions as we need to. The first will be sda5 and we'll then copy the back-up from the end of the drive back but into sda5... then we can allocate the unused space from the end of the drive for Ubuntu
[19:56] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  i dont have an extra drive' sitting around though it that is what is needed, meaning external HD
[19:56] <rustuptwist> *if
[19:57] <Beldar> tekk, I know nothing about broadcom, however I have the feeing that most need drivers loaded and setup in general, I suspect few work out of the box, have you looked at the broadcom wiki?
[19:57] <TJ-> rustuptwist: As I said, we are going to use the unused space at the end of the drive to make a backup, no additional drive is required.
[19:57] <Beldar> feeling*
[19:57] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Can you pastebin the output of "sudo blkid /dev/sda?"
[19:58] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  yeah just a sec
[19:58] <tekk> struggling to find up to date info on googler
[19:58] <tekk> i know that the tg3 module in 13.04 and below even doesn't have it
[19:58] <tekk> i think it was included in 3.5 of the linux kernel and above
[19:58] <tekk> do you know what kernel version comes with 13.10 ?
[19:59] <TJ-> tekk: 3.11
[19:59] <yeats> tekk: 3.11
[19:59] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  nothing happend when i entered the command
[20:00] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  blkid?
[20:00] <TJ-> rustuptwist: that is unexpected. If there are Windows file-systems in those partitions, we should have seen information about them
[20:00] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ah just a sec. left of the question mark at the end, sorry
[20:00] <tekk> thanks guys
[20:00] <tekk> next question :) has usb 3.0 support improved since 12.10 ?
[20:01] <tekk> on some systems i've suffered kernel panics by just plugging in a usb 3.0 device
[20:01] <TJ-> rustuptwist: *phew!
[20:01] <tekk> usb 3 mass-storage in particular
[20:01] <Myrtti> hi
[20:02] <Myrtti> ok, as you were
[20:02] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816267/
[20:02] <TJ-> rustuptwist: That looks better... it gives us confirmation of the file-systems in those partitions.
[20:02] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: sonofrustuptwist right back
[20:03] <TJ-> rustuptwist: In the commands we are going to provide it is *vitally* important you check that you type exactly what we provide, especially as we'll be giving some numbers with lots of digits in.
[20:03] <Linnak> Can I ask why Ubuntu always based on the Testing version of Debian an not the Stable one?
[20:03] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  yeah it appears that one is basically empty, one of the 74gb partition and the 210gb are both pretty much empty of anything
[20:03] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: OK, take your time
[20:04] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ok then I will copy and paste if possible
[20:04] <TJ-> Linnak: To ensure we get the latest packages to stay in sync with Debian longer
[20:04] <rustuptwist> !debian
[20:04] <TJ-> rustuptwist: That's good - I'll provide all commands inside double-quote marks precisely as they should be run
[20:04] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ok sounds good
[20:05] <Linnak> Why is the fresness is more important than stability?
[20:05] <TJ-> rustuptwist: whilst we're waiting for hitsujiTMO we may as well start the back-up of sda4, since that won't upset anything
[20:05] <bekks> Linnak: Because you can choose between LTS and non-LTS.
[20:05] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ok
[20:05] <Linnak> bekks, What do you mean?
[20:06] <bekks> !lts | Linnak
[20:06] <MonkeyDust> Linnak  discussions in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[20:06] <Linnak> I know, but that wasn't a queston
[20:06] <Linnak> ok
[20:06] <Beldar> Linnak, You would have to ask canonical or look on the web as to why they choose the testing version.
[20:07] <YamakasY_> is it possible to update my local repo with puppet 3.x instead of 2.7 when using 12.04 ?
[20:07] <dorothy> Hey guys!
[20:07] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: can you pastebin the output of: sudo lsblk -b
[20:07] <kostkon> !info puppet precise
[20:07] <TJ-> rustuptwist: "sudo dd if=/dev/sda4 of=/dev/sda bs=512 seek=831899696"
[20:07] <kostkon> YamakasY_, find a ppa that provides 3.x packages for 12.04?
[20:08] <JanaK>  Hi.  I'm trying to understand using /etc/fstab correctly.  I want to resize /dev/shm on boot.  I understand systemd handles it for default, but that we override in /etc/fstab.  My question is about the right usage in /etc/fstab.
[20:08] <dorothy> I had Fedora installed on my HDD, and then using fedora I deleted a 30 GB Fat32 partition, but then when I restarted the computer nothing worked, after my bios screen there was just a blinking cursor, so I installed Fedora 20 from a USB onto the 30GB of now free space of my HDD, but the installation failed halfway through and now my HDD which previously had a 700 GB NTFS partition with windows and all my files on it just shows up as a 1000GB LVM2 PV, an
[20:08] <dorothy> d I can no longer access my files. So it seems half way through the installation it failed to partition the drive properly and now all my files are gone... My drive now has one single 1000GB partition which says Contents LVM2 Physical Volume, so its made this logical volume which has taken over my actual partitions!
[20:08] <dorothy> So, what I would really really love advice for is how I can go about removing or redirecting the LVM partition back to NTFS, or basically in any way possible just boot into windows, from which I can reformat a portion of my drive, install fedora on it, and live happily ever after
[20:08] <FloodBot1> dorothy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:08] <JanaK> Specifically,  I see online examples of fstab entries for it with "shm /dev/shm ...", "none /dev/shm ..." and "tmpfs /dev/shm".
[20:08] <bekks> tl;dr :)
[20:08] <JanaK> What's the right usage?
[20:08] <YamakasY_> kostkon: puppet has their own puppet repo for it, but I need to have 3.x installed during my preseed install
[20:08] <TJ-> rustuptwist: This will take some time and you won't see *anything* reported back until it finished, so be patient
[20:08] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816323/
[20:09] <kostkon> dorothy, this is a ubuntu support channel
[20:09] <MonkeyDust> she's already gone
[20:10] <kostkon> YamakasY_, right. can't help you on that
[20:10] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ok pasted it. waiting on results
[20:11] <YamakasY_> kostkon: ok
[20:11] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Could be 10 minutes plus... be *very* patient
[20:11] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: i would have set a much larger bs and downsized the seek. the seek times are gonne take forever
[20:12] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I did it that way to be able to use identifiable sector offsets in the seek value
[20:12] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  this is day #3 on this ubuntu install so we are learning patience...
[20:13] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: We could stop it and redo it with 100MB bs ?
[20:13] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: its gonna be copying over 512 bytes at a time and loosing about 10ms between every read and write
[20:13] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yup we could
[20:13] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: not entirely... the kernel reads ahead into its cache
[20:13] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: but yeah, a big block would help
[20:14] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: care to do the math? :p
[20:14] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: will do. give me a min
[20:14] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: hehehe as long as the offset is divisible by the block-size with no remainder :)
[20:15] <TJ-> rustuptwist: You may be able to tell, hitsujiTMO and I are discussing cancelling the current copy and redoing it with a more efficient set of numbers that'll speed it up considerably
[20:15] <morsnowski> !die
[20:16] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  yes I am observing. hoping I can learn a bit by irc-osmosis, lol
[20:16] <dorothy> Hey sorry I had to restart on someones advice, what I asked was:
[20:16] <dorothy> I had Fedora installed on my HDD, and then using fedora I deleted a 30 GB Fat32 partition, but then when I restarted the computer nothing worked, after my bios screen there was just a blinking cursor, so I installed Fedora 20 from a USB onto the 30GB of now free space of my HDD, but the installation failed halfway through and now my HDD which previously had a 700 GB NTFS partition with windows and all my files on it just shows up as a 1000GB LVM2 PV, an
[20:16] <dorothy> d I can no longer access my files. So it seems half way through the installation it failed to partition the drive properly and now all my files are gone... My drive now has one single 1000GB partition which says Contents LVM2 Physical Volume, so its made this logical volume which has taken over my actual partitions!
[20:16] <dorothy> So, what I would really really love advice for is how I can go about removing or redirecting the LVM partition back to NTFS, or basically in any way possible just boot into windows, from which I can reformat a portion of my drive, install fedora on it, and live happily ever after
[20:16] <FloodBot1> dorothy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:16] <dorothy> Does anyone have any idea
[20:16] <rustuptwist> !LVM
[20:16] <k1l> dorothy: this is not a fedora support channel. please see their support
[20:17] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: ok, if we go for a bs of 1MB and a seek of 406201 this should start the data at offset 831899648
[20:17] <dorothy> Hi kll, i've tried that but they have no idea, I thought it might be a more standard linux issue,
[20:17] <dorothy> how to go about fixing a LVM partition that has overwritten a NTFS one
[20:17] <k1l> dorothy: then ask in ##linux. but this is a ubuntu support channel
[20:18] <bekks> dorothy: Restore your backup, generally.
[20:18] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: we can cat yes to there for a count of 1 for a quick test to make sure
[20:19] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I was looking at using a multiple of the physical sector size... and came up with  bs=104857600
[20:19] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: thats 100M
[20:20] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Yes... it'd put the start at seek=734003200
[20:20] <Hilikus> hey guys. i have a really annoying problem that i imagine it must be created by a configuration but i can't find the cause. when i create a playlist of more than one song, playback stops at the end of every song when using the html5 player, when using VLC what happens is that at the end of the song it jumps back 5 seconds, plays again, at the ends jumps back 5 seconds, etc in an infinite loop
[20:21] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: sorry, it'd put the start at sector 734003200
[20:21] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: that would be a seek of 4062 and end up at 831897600
[20:21] <Hilikus> Ampache 3.6-alpha6+FUTURE
[20:21] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I reckon your math is doing better than mine tonight :)
[20:21] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: show me the intended values and I'll recheck it to be sure :)
[20:22] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: just using the original sector counts: echo $((831899696 / (2048 * 100)))
[20:22] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: echo $((831899696 / (2048 * 100) * 2048 * 100))
[20:22] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: careful... integer rounding errors!
[20:23] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yup integers round dowm
[20:23] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I/O is 4096 ... I infer you use 2048 as the I/O size?
[20:23] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yup integers round down. hence why i multiply up again to get the effected sector start
[20:23] <millerti> Perform all of your sums and products first, and divide last.
[20:23] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: no. base block size is 512, 2048 blocks is 1M.
[20:24] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: which ought to be an integer multiple fo 4096
[20:24] <millerti> Well, unless you WANT the truncation in a particular place.
[20:24] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yes, it is
[20:25] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: using 4096 I get: "echo $((831899696 / (4096 * 50) * 4096 * 50))"  = 831897600
[20:25] <millerti> Ok, so what do you want to calculate now?
[20:25] <millerti> How many blocks are required for X bytes?
[20:26] <millerti> How big is a block?
[20:26] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: verifyable by: echo $(((697833471 - 552960000 + 1) * 512))                 being the total size matching the size reported here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816323/
[20:26] <millerti> Let F be the file size and B be the block size.  The number of blocks you need is (F+B-1)/B
[20:27] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: looks good. Do you want to go ahead and tell rustuptwist  to cancel the current 'dd' or shall we show him how to get a status update via a USR1 signal first... it might be almsot done!
[20:27] <millerti> You can get the on-disk bytes by ((F+B-1)/B)*B
[20:27] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: get the status first
[20:27] <millerti> Assuming integer math.
[20:27] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Are you using a GUI shell terminal in that Live session?
[20:28] <TJ-> rustuptwist: if so, we need you to open an additional tab with a fresh shell in it, by ensuring that the terminal window has focus and then pressing Ctrl+Shift+T.
[20:28] <hitsujiTMO> millerti: were're moving a partition to free space so we can create an extended volume in place.
[20:29] <TJ-> rustuptwist: then, you can so "sudo kill -USR1 $(pidof dd)" .... and tab back to the shell running dd. Shortly, you should see a status update telling how much data has been transferred and at what speed
[20:29] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  not sure if I am using a 'GUI  shell.
[20:30] <TJ-> rustuptwist: tell us what those numbers are, and we can decide whether its worth cancelling it to do it the more efficient way
[20:30] <TJ-> rustuptwist: If it is a window with a title-bar that says "Terminal" it is the GUI terminal application
[20:30] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ok back up a second. what do i do 'right now'
[20:30] <TJ-> rustuptwist: if so, we need you to open an additional tab with a fresh shell in it, by ensuring that the terminal window has focus and then pressing Ctrl+Shift+T.
[20:31] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  top left hand corner of the desktop says Terminal.
[20:32] <TJ-> rustuptwist: That's good :) press Ctrl+Shift+T and you should get a new tab open with a command prompt
[20:32] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: so just hit: ctrl + shift + t, this will create a new tab
[20:32] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  so I should enter sudo kill, etc
[20:32] <TJ-> rustuptwist: You should now have a fresh shell prompt and you can do "sudo kill -USR1 $(pidof dd)" .... and tab back to the shell running dd. Shortly, you should see a status update telling how much data has been transferred and at what speed
[20:33] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: by now I bet its almost done :)
[20:33] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: hopefully at least
[20:33] <starrats>  I have been using the win7 partition and format screen from the control panel and wubi shows up to help, I follow all the instructions and when I get to the last window asking me to reboot now or reboot later or reboot with cd help I choose the last one i.e. reboot with cd help, I presume it means the livecd in the D drive and when I reboot I get the purple screen with the red dots doing their thing and then nothing happens,
[20:33] <starrats> [15:27] <starrats> this is my problem in a nutshell
[20:34] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Last time I did this it was 500GB to a clone drive over xmas, and it hit errors which turned out to be a bad memory module
[20:34] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816267/
[20:34] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: ahh lol. RAM's one thing i've never had trouble with at least.
[20:34] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: 16561449+0 records in 16561449+0 records out 8479461888 bytes (8.5 GB) copied, 1387.93 s, 6.1 MB/s
[20:35] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: ~11%done
[20:35] <TJ-> rustuptwist: OK, only 8.5GB copied of 72GB ... so we'll stop it. Press Ctrl+C to stop dd
[20:35] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816460/
[20:35] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: You want to do a test run with "yes" to be sure?
[20:36] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yeah. would be best so we can be absolutle sure we know whats going on
[20:36] <poeticrpm> Im at a hotel where I have to plug in to an ethernet port and put in an assigned username and password. What is this technically called? Im having issues with DD-WRT and I cant seem to even get the basic terminology to research how to get shit working
[20:37] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: there is another way we could do this... use losetup -o XXXX /dev/loop0 /dev/sda :)
[20:37] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: You go ahead give rustuptwist the commands then... I need to go sort out a couple of unruly huskies!
[20:37] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: cool
[20:38] <Sna4x81> Here's a funny "bug".  I walk around my house for a bit, the sit down at my desk and touch my mouse.   That causes a static discharge (it's like the doorknob in Office Space).  The x-axis inverts.  WTF?  Happens like twice a day.
[20:38] <Beldar> poeticrpm, Please be careful with swear words here, I know it seems innocuous but it's not allowed is all.
[20:38] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: we can use losetup after the copy to do an fsck on the file-system before we start changing the partition table
[20:38] <starrats> Anyone that help me with my problem would be much appreciated.  I logged it in here at the 15:33 time mark and this isconcerning ubuntu install.
[20:38] <poeticrpm> Beldar: sorry. frustrated and didnt realize it
[20:38] <Beldar> !language | Sna4x81 no acronyms
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> poeticrpm  you mean use the light net for networking? i guess it's called powerlan (i'm using it too)
[20:42] <BrainBug> Hello, I'm running Ubuntu 13.10 with Ati HD3400 series card. Dash is slow on opening (typing), and cpu cooler is making lot of noise. Probably due too default driver (Gallium 0.4 AMD RV620 - Mesa). So i tried installing Proprietary drivers to fix this, but x crashes (1.14 xorg) anyone?
[20:42] <loki_> llutz: just ran one of the rsyncs and it completed successfully.  thanks for your help
[20:42] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  did i miss something?
[20:42] <loki_> hitsujiTMO: thanks for your help as well
[20:42] <GJS123> Hi, i got and error Sorry, Ubuntu 13.10 has experienced an internal error? Where can i find the output of that (except my xwindow system)?
[20:43] <poeticrpm> MonkeyDust, Powerlan? I dont see any references to this online. What do you mean by light net? Let me try to be clear: I type- http://hotelimat.net/login. Then it brings up a page with a username and login and their logo. I cant seem to get my router to go to this place, but my computer will go straight away
[20:44] <TJ-> rustuptwist: sorry, dealing with some unruly huskies... I left hitsujiTMO to give you the revised instructions, I think he's still checking them
[20:44] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ok
[20:44] <ashish> hi
[20:45] <ashish> hi
[20:45] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: ahh seems yes can't be used. will have to try with urandom + zero instad
[20:45] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok we're gonna start with a quick test: ""sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=$((512 * 2048)) seek=406201 count=1""
[20:46] <starrats> Sorry to be a pain in the ass here, lol but is there someone here to help me with an install problem?
[20:46] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  type that in to the Terminal
[20:46] <rustuptwist> ??
[20:46] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: yes, whats inside the quotes "" ""
[20:46] <ashish> hi
[20:46] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  the original window or the 2nd?
[20:47] <ashish> i m using zte modem
[20:47] <ashish> most of the time it is not detected by network manager
[20:47] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: either will do
[20:47] <ashish> sometimes its detected
[20:48] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: wait, did you cancel the original dd on the first window with ctrl + c?
[20:48] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  no
[20:49] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: do it
[20:49] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: then run that command i gave
[20:49] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: =406201 count=1 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.310227 s, 3.4 MB/s too late
[20:50] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: Are you using the PC we are working on?
[20:50] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:50] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  control C gave this: 16561449+0 records in 16561449+0 records out 8479461888 bytes (8.5 GB) copied, 1387.93 s, 6.1 MB/s ^C28311609+0 records in 28311609+0 records out 14495543808 bytes (14 GB) copied, 2375.77 s, 6.1 MB/s
[20:51] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  only to send you the results of the commands via Terminal
[20:51] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: thats ok.
[20:52] <ashish> ????
[20:52] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=2 seek=831899647 | hexdump -C | pastebinit
[20:52] <TJ-> rustuptwist: It helps a great deal to see the actual output like that, especially when we're directing use of powerful commands
[20:53] <starrats> I guess everyone is busy with other nicks problems
[20:53] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: dd: `standard output': cannot seek: Illegal seek 0+0 records in 0+0 records out 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.0011683 s, 0.0 kB/s You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[20:54] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  I must say I am a bit confused but I hope it is going as expected
[20:54] <TJ-> rustuptwist: You're confused?!? You should try it from this end :D
[20:55] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  lol
[20:55] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: can you make sure you put in what i gave you exactly
[20:55] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  are we on the right track though, I feel left behind a bit as if I missed the train
[20:55] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: It's "skip" not "seek" for reads
[20:55] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  sure did i not input what you gave me correctly?
[20:56] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: doh
[20:56] <imaginati0n> I am trying to set a background in openbox but for some reason nitrogen wont open any of my pictures?
[20:56] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=2 skip=831899647 | hexdump -C | pastebinit
[20:56] <ashish> ????
[20:56] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Yes, once we get going, you'll be able to return to the Ubuntu installer and there will be free space in the partition table for it to install itself.
[20:57] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: 2+0 records in 2+0 records out 1024 bytes (1.0 kB) copied, 0.273173 s, 3.7 kB/s http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816570/
[20:58] <Beldar> starrats, Wubi is not really supported anymore and few here use it, the general recommendation would be to do a standard install, or use a virtual.
[20:58] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok now: ""sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=$((512 * 2048)) seek=406201 count=1""
[20:59] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then finally: sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=2 skip=831899647 | hexdump -C | pastebinit
[20:59] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: if all goes well, we should see the output differ from the half way mark
[21:00] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: 6201 count=1 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.00337199 s, 311 MB/s
[21:00] <MartynKeigher> hey all. have a redis-server issue. anyone able to help me in here?
[21:01] <bekks> MartynKeigher: Whats "redis-server" - is it Ubuntu?
[21:01] <MartynKeigher> im installing ON ubuntu yes.
[21:01] <ashish> hi i need help in network manager
[21:01] <bekks> MartynKeigher: So what is it?
[21:01] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: is there a pastebin output from that last command?
[21:01] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: 2+0 records in 2+0 records out 1024 bytes (1.0 kB) copied, 0.000338222 s, 3.0 MB/s http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816587/
[21:01] <ashish> zte make modem not detected in network manager
[21:02] <Gandi> hey there, in my boot.log i found * Starting [164G[ OK ] (what is that?) - has no name!
[21:02] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: great, thats good
[21:02] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816587/
[21:02] <MartynKeigher> well im trying to start the service using sudo /etc/init.d/redis-server start but its just returning "Starting redis-server: failed"
[21:02] <k1l> ashish: how is the modem connected?
[21:02] <TJ-> rustuptwist: hitsujiTMO: looks like you're all set now
[21:02] <MartynKeigher> i know that doesnt too much... but all im trying to do is start something i just installed.
[21:02] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: wait, bot 100% good. i was expecting it to change halway
[21:02] <ashish> i connected it with wvdial
[21:02] <MartynKeigher> an edit to the config was required (commenting out one line) and i did that.. and i just wont start
[21:02] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: can you run: sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=2 skip=831899646 | hexdump -C | pastebinit
[21:03] <ashish> no mobile broadband option is coming in netowrk manager
[21:03] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: It did... first time around 0x0200 had random data ... now its all zeros
[21:03] <MartynKeigher> so i re-commented it and it still wouldnt start!?
[21:03] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  Ok just a sec
[21:03] <k1l> ashish: which cable?
[21:03] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yup, but i was expecting it to read from 512 bits before the start of where it was writing to
[21:04] <ashish> k1|no its usb modem
[21:04] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: ahhh, OK
[21:04] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: so the first 512bits should have been still random
[21:04] <k1l> ashish: so show the line in "lsusb" that is your modem
[21:04] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816596/
[21:04] <ashish> k1|YES ITS THERE
[21:04] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: gonna have to revise my calcs
[21:04] <k1l> ashish: we cant see it
[21:05] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  did you need the text before that pastebin?
[21:05] <ashish> k1| how to show here
[21:05] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: What are you and sonofrustuptwist attempting to do/test?
[21:05] <kostkon> !paste | ashish
[21:05] <k1l> just copy and paste the one line
[21:05] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: nope. 2 mins gonna revise calcs
[21:05] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: OK :)
[21:05] <ashish> Bus 003 Device 008: ID 19d2:ffe9 ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM
[21:06] <imaginati0n> I was using openbox when it crashed and it sent me back to my login screen ,how do i stop openbox from crashing?
[21:06] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: would it help if I create a 500GB layout here and do the tests?
[21:06] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: actually wait. dont need to. we can dd if=blah | dd of=blah     with 2 different block sizes :)
[21:06] <rick_> jhsasdsgdasjgdsd
[21:06] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Yes :)
[21:07] <rick_> wat is dit voor een chat
[21:08] <k1l> ashish: see this thread, they solved the issue http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wireless-internet/193096-zte-ac682-modem-not-working-ubuntu-12-04-a.html
[21:08] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok, lets get this party started: ""sudo dd if=/dev/sda4 of=/dev/sda bs=$((512 * 2048 * 100)) seek=4061""
[21:09] <tozen> .quit
[21:09] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: What are you and sonofrustuptwist attempting to do/test?
[21:09] <Gallomimia> what? don't you think that will delete the input file as the output file is written?
[21:09] <starrats> Beldar, okay, I'm currently using VirtualBox and hav xubuntu install on that which is how I am here chatting with you, guess I stick to xubuntu after all but thank you for your response
[21:10] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  done. I imagine it will be a long wait for a response?
[21:10] <hitsujiTMO> Jordan_U: create an extened partition in place of an existing partition, while dumping the existing partition to the unallocated free space
[21:10] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: it will, give it a few mins and then we'll see how fast its going
[21:11] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: And what is the end goal?
[21:11] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: And do you mean a logical partition (which is a partition inside an extended partition)?
[21:12] <hitsujiTMO> Jordan_U: the user has a mbr partition with 4 partitions, none extended. creating an extended partition in place of the last partition. then creating a logical partition to house the old sda4
[21:15] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: With the end goal of being able to have more than 4 partitions?
[21:15] <hitsujiTMO> Jordan_U: yes
[21:16] <dwestone> hi
[21:16] <GDB83> lo
[21:16] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: So are you trying to conserve the contents of all of the original 4 partitions?
[21:17] <hitsujiTMO> Jordan_U: yes. right now we're just writing the partition to free space. the user doesn't have a spare drive to use an an interim storage
[21:19] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: back :)
[21:19] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok, in the other terminal tab can you run: sudo kill -USR1 $(pidof dd)
[21:20] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: we can then guestimate when the operation will be finished
[21:20] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  ok just a min
[21:20] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: fixparts can often convert a partition from primary to logical-within-extended in place.
[21:21] <Thor446_> I (finally!) have Ubuntu working! However, I can't seem to connect to wifi. It just loads for a minute then says Im offline, I was disconnected
[21:22] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: is the result i think: 248+0 records in 247+0 records out 25899827200 bytes (26 GB) copied, 690.886 s, 37.5 MB/s
[21:22] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: And gdisk can usually convert to GPT in place, which would solve the problem of being able to add more partitions very cleanly (though would be problematic if this is a dual boot with Windows senario).
[21:23] <hitsujiTMO> Jordan_U: yes its a dual boot scenario
[21:24] <jarainf> So
[21:24] <jarainf> I want to install OpenWRT on my Alice Modem WLAN 1121
[21:24] <jarainf> How would I go on about that?
[21:26] <daftykins> jarainf: that is not an ubuntu support question i'm afraid
[21:27] <hitsujiTMO> Jordan_U: seeing no info on man fixparts for doing such a thing. there's the "l" option to convert to logical but also states: This option will only work if the current partition layout supports such  a  change.     doesn't state what the layout requirements are
[21:27] <DJones> jarainf: Maybe worth trying in #openwrt for that
[21:28] <extor> My /bin and /boot directories are gone. I cannot launch a shell. I do have some gnome functionality. Is there any way I can use the software center to recover these files? A console proggy would be very useful
[21:29] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok, can you run it once again: sudo kill -USR1 $(pidof dd)
[21:30] <Gallomimia> extor my number 1 suggestion is to pop the drive out and mount it on a functioning system to recover all the files you need, then reformat it
[21:31] <extor> Gallomimia, I'd rather reinstall on the same drive
[21:31] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Jordan_U: fixparts is no good in the this scenario since the MBR is full, and there are no inter-partition gaps to slip an extended into.
[21:31] <Gallomimia> yes. but recover the files to something quick
[21:32] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: 465+0 records in 464+0 records out 48653926400 bytes (49 GB) copied, 1326.47 s, 36.7 MB/s
[21:32] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sweet another few mins and this bit is done
[21:32] <TJ-> rustuptwist: hitsujiTMO: That transfer rate looks more respectable
[21:39] <gnrl> hello, looking for a script or program for cleaning up trash in my computer
[21:40] <gnrl> say, when i delete something, it goes into those .trash1000 folders or something
[21:40] <hitsujiTMO> gnrl: are you using unity?
[21:40] <kostkon> !info bleachbit | gnrl, this this:
[21:40] <kostkon> try*
[21:41] <gnrl> hitsujiTMO: i am on 12.04 ubuntu with gnome 2
[21:41] <gnrl> kostkon ubottu ok i will take a look at bleachbit
[21:41] <gnrl> thank you
[21:42] <harris> how can i just the alt shortcuts for spanish keys
[21:42] <harris> like in windows
[21:43] <jirido__> Hi does anyone know where clipit parcellite saves its history or if it is database?
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> harris: setup your keyboard correctly in system settings -> text entry
[21:43] <harris> how
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: can you check if its finished
[21:44] <hitsujiTMO> harris: add the keyboard layout pertaining to your keyboard. then set that as the default layout
[21:45] <millerti> Wow.  #ubuntu has the highest number of people of all channels on freenode.
[21:46] <extor> gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator
[21:46] <OerHeks> jirido__, clipit asks when you run it 1st time, to save clips in a plain text file, with warning about passwords
[21:46] <harris> hitsujiTMO,  i want to use these http://usefulshortcuts.com/alt-codes/spanish-alt-codes.php
[21:47] <jirido__> OerHeks: Yes but when i look in this file i see only yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy and the strange sign :P
[21:47] <Ben64> harris: you can't use windows' alt codes in ubuntu. you can, however, use unicode
[21:47] <hitsujiTMO> harris: ahh, they're for use with the key pad. Not sure if they'll work with ubuntu. not familiar with such entry i'm afraid
[21:48] <harris> Ben64,  what is uinicode
[21:48] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: can you check if its finished
[21:48]  * harris is away: I'm busy
[21:48]  * harris is back (gone 00:00:00)
[21:48] <extor> how can I add a launcher to gnome, so that it launches as another user rather than the current user?  Kind of like "run as" in windows for a shortcut.
[21:48]  * harris is away: I'm busy
[21:48]  * harris is back (gone 00:00:00)
[21:49] <Ben64> harris: don't do the away stuff here
[21:49] <harris> sorry
[21:49] <jirido__> OerHeks: i just found its location on ggogle
[21:49] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  sorry was distracted
[21:49] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  what is the command the same as before sudo kill, etc
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: just check the original tab
[21:50] <Ampelbein> extor: You could use gksudo for that (gksudo -u OTHERUSER /usr/bin/someprogram)
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: i'm guessing its done now
[21:50] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yes. 74gb copied
[21:50] <Minnen> i tried to drag&drop an icon to the destop and instead of appearing in the desktop it appeared in the top toolbar and i dont know how to remove it from there (specs - Ubuntu 13.10, Gnome 3 (session fallback no effects), Faenza icons, Ambiance theme.)  http://askubuntu.com/questions/410733/remove-icon-from-the-toolbar
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: ok, we're in busines
[21:51] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: OK, lets set up a loop device and fsck the backup first
[21:51] <extor> Ampelbein, so "gksu -u <some su enabled account> /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator" would be all I need?
[21:51] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: In all the fun I missed the actual seek offset... what was it, and what block size?
[21:51] <harris> Ben64, how
[21:51] <phil-ns> Minnen: try holding ALT while right clicking it.
[21:52] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-:  it was ""sudo dd if=/dev/sda4 of=/dev/sda bs=$((512 * 2048 * 100)) seek=4061""
[21:52] <Ampelbein> extor: It doesn't have to be a su-enabled account, it just has to exist on the same machine.
[21:52] <Ampelbein> extor: You own account must have su rights though.
[21:52] <Minnen> phil-ns > it launched the app, nothing else
[21:52] <extor> Ampelbein, my own account does NOT have su rights. The su user is another one
[21:53] <Minnen> phil-ns > correction, right-click displays the remove option
[21:53] <extor> that must be why it's not launching
[21:53] <Minnen> phil-ns > thank you
[21:53] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: IIRC, there needs to be enough space between the partitions since entries for logical partitions are held in a linked list rather than in the MBR.
[21:53] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: So, the byte offset will be 425826713600
[21:53] <Gallomimia> su != sudo
[21:53] <phil-ns> Minnen: I believe with gnome you need ALT right click for any changes you want.
[21:53] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: fixparts will tell you if it's possible or not.
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> extor  su means switch user
[21:54] <TJ-> rustuptwist: hitsujiTMO: Can you now do "sudo losetup -o 425826713600  /dev/loop1 /dev/sda"
[21:54] <extor> MonkeyDust, but gksu doesnt need the current gnome user to have su rights, does it
[21:54] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ok just a min
[21:54] <TJ-> rustuptwist: If you don't get an error back from that, we now have the back-up data as a 'virtual' device called /dev/loop1, which we will now check
[21:54] <Ampelbein> extor: It does.
[21:54] <MonkeyDust> extor  yes, but gksudo really means gksudo :)
[21:55] <MonkeyDust> extor  yes, but gksu really means gksudo :)
[21:55] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  done
[21:55] <Ampelbein> extor: Just run the command in a terminal and look what error message it gives.
[21:55] <hitsujiTMO> Jordan_U: I dont have any mbr drives atm so no way for me to verify that. maybe TJ- can
[21:55] <extor> Ampelbein, so I am currently a non su enabled user running gnome. My /bin directory is kaput. How do I run a binary in /usr/bin from the gnome panel then from which I can try and repair stuff?
[21:55] <TJ-> rustuptwist: hitsujiTMO: lets ensure you have the tools required first: "sudo apt-get install dosfstools"
[21:55] <extor> Ampelbein, I dont have a terminal, I'm trying to GET a terminal
[21:56] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  no error message(s)
[21:56] <Gallomimia> try alt-ctrl-f4?
[21:56] <bekks> extor: /usr/bin/terminal
[21:56] <extor> bekks, does that exist? :O
[21:56] <TJ-> rustuptwist: OK, lets first check there is something recognisable there: "sudo blkid /dev/loop1 | pastebinit"
[21:57] <MonkeyDust> extor  or gnome-terminal
[21:57] <Ampelbein> extor: Either you use /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator (which should point to the terminal of your choice) or one of the virtual terminals that you can reach via "CTRL-ALT-F1 -> F4".
[21:58] <OerHeks> extor, you want to try to repair without root priv?
[21:58] <OerHeks> funny
[21:58] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816878/
[21:58] <extor> Ampelbein, but /bin/bash is gone
[21:58] <extor> OerHeks, I can get root if I can su to the sudo user somehow, in a terminal
[21:59] <jobriath> Evening all. Are there any graphics tablet people around? I have a known-working Monoprice UC-Logic 5433:0781 that looks like it works---`xinput --test` even prints X and Y coordinates and pressure levels---but the pen doesn't move the cursor.
[21:59] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816890/
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sweet.
[22:00] <Ampelbein> extor: If /bin/ is gone, how do you plan on repairing the system at all? What without cp, mv, etc.
[22:00] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: looking good, now do "sudo dosfsck -n /dev/loop1 | pastebinit"
[22:00] <extor> Ampelbein, I'd copy those from somewhere after a reboot into a liveCD
[22:01] <ZCitrus> o/ dudes. I was about to try to set up a dual boot of steamos, and I figured I should make sure that the drive I was about to overwrite was indeed empty. When I opened it up in gparted, under "Flags" it says boot....but I did not think that was the drive I was booting off of
[22:01] <Ampelbein> extor: How do you copy without cp, mv etc?
[22:01] <extor> Unfortunately my ubuntu distro 10.04 is no longer supported
[22:01] <bekks> Ampelbein: A live cd has those tools.
[22:01] <extor> Ampelbein, I do it with filezilla to a temp place and then boot via a live CD
[22:01] <bekks> extor: Then take that chance and reinstall 12.04
[22:01] <ZCitrus> Does the gparted "boot" flag indeed mean that's the drive I'm booting off of? If so, that's...weird.
[22:01] <horsesCanFly> Hello people, I have a doubt. I have hybrid graphics. Nvidia and integrated intel. And never use this before. There is any advantage on using intel over nvidia using bumblebee or like low temperatures on intel in comparation to nvdia or I shouldn't even bother with bumblebee and using the nvidia card?
[22:02] <extor> well problem is it will be a live DVD
[22:02] <Ampelbein> bekks, extor Then why don't you use the livecd to start and rebuild your system from there?
[22:02] <bekks> ZCitrus: The boot flag is irrelevant for two decaded now.
[22:02] <bekks> Ampelbein: Thats what I just suggested.
[22:02] <extor> Ampelbein, because I don't have a cdrom installed, just usbs
[22:02] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816898/
[22:02] <ZCitrus> OK, so the fact that it only shows 7.5GB used in gparted would then be indicative that, basically, the only data being "used" is just whatever's lost due to formatting?
[22:03] <bekks> extor: You can install 12.04 from USB.
[22:03] <extor> bekks...what should I download then
[22:03] <Gallomimia> horsesCanFly: seems the nvidia drivers have better support than integrated intel. i think... all depends where you plug in the monitor. is that a laptop or desktop?
[22:03] <bekks> ZCitrus: Sorry, you sentence doesnt make any sense. Please rephrase it.
[22:03] <bekks> extor: The 12.04 installation cd iso.
[22:03] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: hmmm! lets hold up a minute ... looks like the pastebin didn't capture all the output, can you redo it for us with "sudo dosfsck -n 2>&1 | pastebinit"
[22:04] <bekks> !usb | extor
[22:04] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: so i'm thinking we create the logical partition with start:552960000 end:831488000 so there's no way of overwriting the current backup. He can resize it then after everything is completely converted
[22:04] <rustuptwist> TJ-: ok just a sec
[22:04] <Ampelbein> extor: But I think you need root rights to write an iso to usb. I could be wrong.
[22:05] <b1tgl0w> Are there any websites where people share configuration files?
[22:05] <extor> Ampelbein, I will get root rights by booting my slax usb
[22:05] <Gallomimia> no. i think the user who mounts a usb can have full access to it
[22:05] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, it is a laptop. If there was an advantage on making the laptop cooler I would read more about the stuff
[22:05] <hitsujiTMO> b1tbkt: pastebin, paste.ubuntu.com, gist.github.com and about 1 million more
[22:06] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I was planning we'd delete sda4, create an extended to cover the entire disk, then create sda5 with the 'default' start and give it the size as an absolute number of sectors as +144873472
[22:06] <ZCitrus> bekks, basically I'm just looking for a way to ensure that what I think is a blank drive is, in fact, blank
[22:06] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: once we've zapped sda4, the extended will likely start close to the same place, and sda5 would start about 1MB further in from there
[22:07] <jrib> b1tgl0w: dotshare.it, dotfiles.org, and github are good bets
[22:07] <bekks> ZCitrus: Erase it, intentionally, to be sure.
[22:07] <ZCitrus> lol
[22:07] <b1tgl0w> jrib: ty
[22:07] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  im getting error message saying "you are trying to send an empty document, exiting"
[22:07] <Gallomimia> horsesCanFly: sounds like it might, in theory. i should say probably the only way to know is try it in several configurations. i've heard of people able to run both gpu's or just one. unfortunately i'm no expert in video drivers. they hurt my head :( maybe someone else can chime in... maybe they're all proper busy for the moment
[22:07] <ZCitrus> but the point would be that if there was something on there i would want to keep it!
[22:07] <TJ-> rustuptwist: hmmm... let me recheck my typing
[22:07] <ZCitrus> but i guess what it looks like i should do is figure out which drive corresponds to /sdb/, go on there, check to see
[22:07] <SchrodingersScat> ZCitrus: maybe you mean space that ext4 leaves for root?
[22:07] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yeah, ok. I'm just worried in case the extended writes to the end of the partition aswell.
[22:08] <ZCitrus> probably? that sounds reasonable
[22:08] <TJ-> rustuptwist: doh! I forgot to give the drive name! "sudo dosfsck -n /dev/loop1 2>&1 | pastebinit"
[22:08] <ZCitrus> I just know when I opened up gparted, I saw that 1) there was a flag of "boot" and 2) there were 7.5GB marked as "used"
[22:08] <bekks> ZCitrus: How is that related to "I want to be sure wether the device is empty"?
[22:09] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I've never seen that happen, the extended is a single sector that looks like an MBR in layout, but only fills 2 slots, one for a logical, and a 2nd pointing to the next extended in the chain, which'll be put immediately after sda5
[22:09] <ZCitrus> Because I'm worried there is stuff on the device?
[22:09] <ZCitrus> Specifically, stuff I wouldn't want to lose.\
[22:09] <Gallomimia> if you're worried stuff is on the device, back it up?
[22:09] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yeah, i'b just thinking of gpt where it writes a back to the end of the drive
[22:09] <bekks> ZCitrus: Then backup the device?
[22:09] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, I see a lot of people using the optimus technology and I was wondering if there was any good effects on doing that. The only reason I can remember is the temperature thing. Right now I'm using
[22:09] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: We could start of by limiting the size of the extended itself so it ends before the start of the back-up, and then change that later to the entire drive?
[22:10] <ZCitrus> I think before I back up something that may or may not be on there, I should probably just figure out if there is anything on there.
[22:10] <ZCitrus> So that's what I'm going to do
[22:10] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816931/
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yeah, thats what i was suggesting with the above start and end points
[22:10] <bekks> ZCitrus: And you dont need any boot flags for doing that.
[22:10] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I'm a bit concerned about dosfsck appearing to report 0 FATs !
[22:10] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: ahhh, you said 'logical' which to me meant sda5, not the extended partition :)
[22:10] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, I just remember on asking here because there is a lot of people. Was hopping that someone knew :P
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: is it ntfs?
[22:10] <ZCitrus> Yeah, the deal with the boot flag was simply, I saw the boot flag, and was worried that it means ubuntu (which I thought was installed ona  different drive) was installed on that drive, and that's what the boot flag meant
[22:10] <ZCitrus> Apparently I was wrong
[22:11] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: oh. my. god.!! My brain has gone
[22:11] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: lol woops sorry, yeah meant extened
[22:11] <TJ-> rustuptwist: sorry, my fault, I was thinking it was a FAT32 partition, not NTFS!!!! let me get you the correct command!
[22:11] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: happens after a long day
[22:11] <Gallomimia> horsesCanFly: i'm sure some of the people talking now can help you. seems exceedingly busy for the moment. i must take my leave tho. sorry, i've never heard of optimus. would like to sit around and learn
[22:11] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Yeah, but when doing this stuff got to be 100% correct all the time!
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: true
[22:12] <SchrodingersScat> horsesCanFly: I've been warned against using that transformer optimus prime stuff.
[22:12] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Please check we have the NTFS tools installed, with "sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g"
[22:12] <solsTiCe> hi. I have a philips tv 32 " but it shows up as 'vestel elektronik sanayi ve ticaret A.S. 7"' in display settings once i have plugged in the hdmi cable. wtf ! why is that ?who/what determines the named displayed there ?
[22:12] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, ah no problem man. I heard of it but I never had one. Is my first. I was using an ati before
[22:12] <SailorRRR> Hi, I just made a bootable USB stick. How can I install ubuntu from within Win 8 secure boot HP 2000 series ?
[22:13] <horsesCanFly> SchrodingersScat, hum, why?
[22:13] <Gallomimia> horsesCanFly: i have an ati gpu, on an asus overclocked@factory board. the driver support is puke :(
[22:13] <Gallomimia> nvidia is much better usually
[22:13] <jhutchins> horsesCanFly: That's the dual GPU thing that's handled by things like bumblebee, right?
[22:13] <phil-ns> SailorRRR: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[22:13] <SchrodingersScat> horsesCanFly: heard it was just a PITA and buggy, but if you're stuck with it then what you gonna do?
[22:14] <hitsujiTMO> jhutchins: bumblebee or nvidia-prime
[22:14] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, I never had problems with my ati :P. I was using the proprietary drivers
[22:14] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816945/
[22:14] <horsesCanFly> jhutchins, yes it is. I was just asking arround if someone has experience with it. Not asking for instructions on configuring it
[22:15] <Gallomimia> horsesCanFly: i've heard the issue is that my board is jerry-rigged at the factory. overclocked and some other strange stuff. it gives me a lot of grief, but i have it working. when things don't crash, it runs fast :)
[22:16] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: now lets check the file-system: "sudo ntfsinfo -m /dev/loop1 2>&1 | pastebinit"
[22:17] <longviewbits> In terms of stability first, and maintainability second... if using something outside the repos is what you're going to do, is a PPA better, or is doing build-dep for $PACKAGE and building it from source better?
[22:17] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, nice :D
[22:18] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816959/
[22:19] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: That looks good, I think we are in business
[22:19] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: how do you want to do this? fdisk and we give directions?
[22:20] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: fdisk would be best. gives the most control
[22:20] <SailorRRR> wow worked
[22:20] <Wiz_KeeD> I sent my notebook to warranty because the wireless adapter croaked, and now they said they replaced it but it's TOTALLY a different brand/manufacturer that's installed, and it looks limited to a certain speed, how can I test that before I go back yelling at them?
[22:20] <SailorRRR> cooooooool
[22:20] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: or cfdisk
[22:20] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: You take over again... I need to rest my brain... am thinking we leave /dev/loop1 up it shouldn't interfere and we need it later for bringing the data back
[22:20] <seref> asd
[22:20] <seref> hello
[22:21] <seref> hi
[22:21] <seref> what
[22:21] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: The replaced a defective part. The is no guarantee whatsoever that those replacements have to be the very same model.
[22:21] <bekks> *they
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: TJ-: ok. give me a min. gonna boot up a machine with an mbr partition so i can see whats happening
[22:21] <Wiz_KeeD> Arn't they supposed to replace with the same module part the the notebook came with it?
[22:21] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: No.
[22:21] <Wiz_KeeD> I mean what the hell I think it's common sense
[22:22] <gr8> hi. whats currently the best open source text-to-speech (TTS) software for Linux?
[22:22] <ekarlso> /win 37
[22:22] <Wiz_KeeD> Then the drivers for this computer regarding wireless don't apply anymore
[22:22] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: Then replace the drivers. Thats common sense.
[22:22] <Wiz_KeeD> sorry but I don't agree
[22:22] <Wiz_KeeD> especially if it's inferior in performance
[22:22] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: Then go yelling at them and wait for there answer :P
[22:22] <bekks> *their
[22:23] <Wiz_KeeD> I see no reason why I should get an inferior part when I paid like everyone else and they get the better product
[22:23] <Wiz_KeeD> yep, will do
[22:23] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: lsusb / lspci are the commands needed to identify the hardware.
[22:23] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: Dont complain you havent been warned afterwards.
[22:24] <Wiz_KeeD> sorry?
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[22:25] <hitsujiTMO> wow peeps are begging for bitcoin now
[22:25] <Wiz_KeeD> How can I test the wireless speed that the adapter can handle?
[22:25] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  really? how so
[22:26] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: By looking up the specifications of the make/model identified by lsusb/lspci
[22:26] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: look at ketamine_ above ^ :
[22:27] <jobriath> I don't know. "Pweeese" was a pretty persuasive argument...
[22:27] <bekks> jobriath: "Can I haz bitcoin pweeese?" :)
[22:28] <Wiz_KeeD> RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
[22:28] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  is that what that was. I was wondering about all that data typed in, ok
[22:28] <jobriath> Why, of course you ca--- wait a minute...
[22:29] <jobriath> Repost in case any evdev/input/graphics tablet people have logged on: I have a known-working Monoprice UC-Logic 5433:0781 that looks like it works---`xinput --test` even prints X and Y coordinates and pressure levels---but the pen doesn't move the cursor. Any ideas?
[22:30] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: 2 more mins. just starting up a vm now
[22:30] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: rustuptwist: Using fdisk I think all we need do is follow this sequence of command-key presses "d 4" "n e Enter Enter" "n l 5 Enter +144873472" "p" "w"
[22:32] <TJ-> rustuptwist: To make that clearer, we start 'fdisk /dev/sda'. It requires single key-presses as commands, we "delete partition 4" (d 4), "create an extended partition covering the entire remainder of the drive" (n e Enter enter), "create a new logical partition #5 of 72GB" (n l 5 Enter +144873472) "print the partition table" (p) and finally "write changes to disk" (w).
[22:32] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  enter all that?
[22:32] <TJ-> rustuptwist: don't do anything yet, I'm just briefing you on what to expect
[22:32] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: ok, im in: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[22:32] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ok
[22:33] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  enter the above
[22:33] <TJ-> rustuptwist: hitsujiTMO is going to give instructions, and is simulating it in a Virtual Machine now
[22:33] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: yup so open the terminal and run: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[22:35] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  message: 'The device presents a logical sector size that is smaller than the physical sector size. Aligning to a physical sector (or optimal I/O) size boundary is recommended, or performance may be impacted.  Command (m for help): '
[22:35] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: just ignore that error.
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok, so start with: d
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: 4
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: that will delete the sda4
[22:37] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n      to create a new partition
[22:37] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: e            for extended
[22:38] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: it should suggest a first sector of: 552960000                  is this correct?
[22:40] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  something  happened on my macbook connection in the channel, just a second
[22:41] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: say when you're ready and let me know what stage you're at
[22:41] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: i'm PM'ing you do you see it?
[22:41] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: no
[22:42] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: your connection timed out. reconnect
[22:44] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: strange
[22:44] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: ok lets take it from the top
[22:44] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: yup so open the terminal and run: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[22:44] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  last thing i got from you was ignore that message
[22:45] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  did that once, do it again?
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: no
[22:45] <odie5533> When I do `su <user>` is it supposed to automatically take me to that user's home directory?
[22:46] <Wiz_KeeD> I have made two ext4 partitions for ubuntu but I can see them in windows and the only option is to format them, how can I hide them so they are not visible in windows anymore?
[22:46] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: type "p"       this will list your currtent partitions
[22:46] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  when i did that i got that message that you told me to ignore
[22:46] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: meaning the previous command not 'P"
[22:47] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: yup. thats ok. you should have an interactive session now in fdisk still. hit "p" to list the table
[22:47] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  ok you need to see the output?
[22:47] <Wiz_KeeD> I thought windows could not see ext4 partitions
[22:47] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: nope. you should see your 4 partitions as of now
[22:48] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yes sda1-4
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: now: d           <- delete a partition
[22:48] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  just 'd' ??
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: yup
[22:49] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: 4     to delete sda4
[22:49] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p              will show you the table without sda4
[22:49] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: what?
[22:50] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  sda1 through sda/4 showed when i typed 'p'
[22:51] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: you hit d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>                 right?
[22:51] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: you there
[22:51] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  ok
[22:52] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: is it now showing 3 partitions?
[22:52] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  good to go so far just three sda's listed now
[22:52] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yes 3 partitions
[22:52] <DF3D2> hey hitsujiTMO
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok: n <enter> e <enter>                                       this should output a prompt  ending with: """default 552960000):"""    is that correct?
[22:53] <monty_hall> anybody know if ctrl+11 is used by kubuntu?
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> DF3D2: hey
[22:53] <monty_hall> can't seem to see it in key mappings
[22:53] <monty_hall> it's used by eclipse
[22:53] <monty_hall> was wondering if it was being intercepted
[22:53] <monty_hall> by kde
[22:53] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yes
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then hit <enter>   just once
[22:54] <DF3D2> hitsujiTMO, yesterday you helped me doing a chroot, Is this the correct order of the commands? I will need to do it on several more drives soon -- and I didn't know if I copied it all down correctly http://pastebin.com/GNfZ9gDu
[22:54] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  message: 'Using default value 552960000 Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G} (552960000-976773167, default 976773167): '
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: for the last sector specify: 831488000 <enter>
[22:55] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  ok just a sec
[22:55] <hitsujiTMO> DF3D2: /dev before /dev/pts
[22:55] <DF3D2> hitsujiTMO, ahh I knew there was something, thanks
[22:57] <DF3D2> so really I could make a shell script out of that
[22:57] <DF3D2> and automate it
[22:57] <gr8> anyone?
[22:57] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6817121/
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> DF3D2: yes, but not directly like that , if you give me a bit I can tell you how
[22:57] <bekks> !anyone | gr8
[22:57] <DF3D2> hitsujiTMO, awesome, take your time
[22:58] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok: p <enter> and then copy over the line pertaining to sda4 here
[22:58] <solsTiCe> anybody tried the intel graphic installer ? https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/intelr-graphics-installer-1.0.3-linux
[22:58] <hitsujiTMO> solsTiCe: intel grapics are built into the kernel
[22:59] <fl0w> I created a file, gave it 760 - I'm in the group and still I can't write to the file in question. What can I be doing wrong? The user and its group is a "system user" (dont remember the term). Think I used useradd -r -U
[22:59] <solsTiCe> this is to have the latest of the latest from intel souce
[22:59] <solsTiCe> hitsujiTMO, ^
[22:59] <hitsujiTMO> solsTiCe: its built into the kernel. thats no good
[22:59] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: /dev/sda4       552960000   976773167   211906584    5  Extended
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ahh kk, you just hit enter onces too often, not a bother tho. we can fix it
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:00] <gr8> bekks: I asked my question already. but *no one* (TM) answered
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: vertify that there's 3 partitions
[23:01] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n <enter> e <enter> <enter> 831488000 <enter> p <enter>
[23:01] <bekks> gr8: Then "anyone" is the most useless repition of your question ;)
[23:02] <gr8> bekks: how do you think should I try to get attention then?
[23:02] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then copy over the line for sda4
[23:02] <bekks> gr8: By repeating your actual question instead of asking "anyone?"
[23:02] <gr8> so. whats currently the best open source text-to-speech (TTS) software for Linux?
[23:02] <bekks> !best | gr8
[23:03] <gr8> whats currently a decent open source text-to-speech (TTS) software for Linux?
[23:03] <DF3D2> hitsujiTMO, wife has me doing some chores, pm me that info when you can. Thanks man
[23:03] <aaa801> how can i downgrade from 13.10 to 12.04
[23:03] <hitsujiTMO> DF3D2: cool
[23:03] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  this is what i got after doing what you said: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6817151/
[23:04] <k1l> aaa801: no downgrade
[23:04] <aaa801> k1l: =/,
[23:04] <aaa801> Ok 2nd question, How can i get plesk to install under 13.10
[23:04] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: you missed the extra <enter> not that theres 2 <enter>'s in a row. just hit enter now
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: don't worry here, no damage done
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: so again:
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:05] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  what should it say now?
[23:06] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: once you hit enter there it sould just be the default menu
[23:06] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: vertify that there's 3 partitions
[23:06] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n <enter> e <enter> <enter> 831488000 <enter> p <enter>
[23:06] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  not sure, something is happenng after one of those commands. the screen is full and its like you cannot,visibly at least enter anymore commands, even though i did all you said
[23:07] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok 2 secs
[23:07] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  after the 'e' or the 83148800 something happens
[23:07] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok. hit: Ctrl + C
[23:07] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  i'll try again though. also should that 'Command (m for help) be there. It wasnt there before, earlier
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: we can start from scratch
[23:08] <fl0w> Doesn't chmod 070 affect system accounts?
[23:08] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: ok now it looks like it should
[23:08] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  thanks for your patience
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: no problems. so Ctrl + C will get you back to the terminal: then: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[23:09] <profligacy> I keep getting this when I try to watch video on this page on ubuntu:
[23:09] <profligacy> http://i.imgur.com/5c5JxK9.png
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: vertify that there's 3 partitions
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n <enter> e <enter> <enter> 831488000 <enter> p <enter>
[23:09] <k1l> profligacy: could be a trap
[23:10] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: k1l http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVnArp9ZE0
[23:11] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: can you then copy the line pertaining to /dev/sda4 here
[23:12] <fl0w> So I have "www-data:www-data" for mydomain directory, recursivly. I chmoded the folder recursivly to 760. I added myself to www-data, yet I cannot view or write to files without sudo within that directory? www-data is a system account, and I am in it (shows when I do groups my_account_name)
[23:12] <zedzdead> H-H-Hello?...
[23:12] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: That wasn't really helpful, but thanks.
[23:12] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  how do i know which that is? the last line of text now starts by saying: 'last sector.....
[23:12] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: its trying to get you to download a plugin that prob contains spyware
[23:13] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  oh no sorry. the message before that says "value out of range"
[23:13] <TJ-> fl0w: you need +x on the directories
[23:13] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ahh, you never hit enter twice again :P
[23:13] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: <enter>
[23:13] <Minnen> [QUESTION] anyone experienced in Gnome Subtitles? https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnome-subtitles/
[23:13] <fl0w> TJ-: so 770?
[23:13] <zsquareplusc> I've just installed 13.10 on an SSD (i7 internal GFX), but when i boot i just get a black screen with a blinking cursor instead of GRUB. 12.04 also on a HD on this machine, works fine. I looked at the grub settings and at least the GUID of the root disk is correct.
[23:14] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p <enter>
[23:14] <Minnen> i want to modify the colors for substation alpha but i cant see any options in the gui
[23:14] <TJ-> fl0w: x7x is chmod g+rwx
[23:14] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  last line says: 'Using default value 976773167'
[23:14] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: yup ok. lets try again:
[23:15] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:15] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: oh god i feel like im in the Twilight Zone, lol
[23:15] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: vertify that there's 3 partitions
[23:15] <fl0w> TJ-: Still doesn't work.
[23:15] <hitsujiTMO> fl0w: did you relog after adding yourself to the group?
[23:15] <fl0w> hitsujiTMO: no :/ hold on ..
[23:16] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: so don't dl it? I hear the audio.
[23:16] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: yes 3
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: thats an add over the video
[23:16] <profligacy> yeah, what can i do about it
[23:16] <TJ-> fl0w: from the root to the destination will need to have +x on all directories for the groups your user is a member of
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n <enter> e <enter>
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: find a better site that doesn't have such annoying ads
[23:17] <fl0w> hitsujiTMO: oh, that worked.
[23:17] <fl0w> (the relog)
[23:17] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: you me twice after 'e' ?
[23:17] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: what does the prompt say?
[23:17] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: If I download the spyware, will it work?
[23:18] <DF3D2> lol
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: no
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: the ad is from some other crowd
[23:18] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: I don't mind the spyware, I don't watch much shameful porn.
[23:18] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: first sector (552960000-976773167, default 552960000): '
[23:18] <profligacy> although i have been watching icreasingly shameful ones
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: you'd have to maybe edit the html and remove the ad that way with the developer tools for the browser
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: <enter>
[23:19] <profligacy> i'm not that advanced
[23:19] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: can you run me through it
[23:19] <profligacy> or is it hard
[23:19] <zopsi> How would I go about removing a raid1 drive and making sure the data on the first drive is kept? e.g. md1 has /dev/sda1 and /devsdb1
[23:19] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: its hard-ish
[23:19] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: ok nvm, thanks though.
[23:19] <antifa> hi
[23:19] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: 831488000 <enter> p <enter>
[23:20] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  now reads: last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G}...
[23:20] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then paste the line for sda4
[23:20] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  there is no prompt to enter that, no empty space, rather
[23:20] <Fevix> I have an ISO image for Ubuntu 64-bit, how can I write this to a USB drive for install on a separate computer?
[23:21] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: just type that
[23:21] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  hold on i increased the window size
[23:21] <k1l> Fevix: just dd it onto a usb stick
[23:21] <Fevix> dd?
[23:22] <k1l> !liveusb
[23:22] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  something is wrong bro, im back to the beg again
[23:22] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p <enter>
[23:22] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: whats the line for /dev/sda4
[23:22] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  do me a favor list all the commands line by line cause soomething is up!
[23:23] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: /dev/sda4       552960000   976773167   211906584    5  Extended
[23:23] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok. it created it with the default again
[23:24] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  something is happening when its time to put in those numbers 83.....
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n <enter> e <enter>
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: wait
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: that should be: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:25] <bro> sonofrustuptwist: ?
[23:26] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  lets take it from the top. im getting command not found right now
[23:26] <antifa> so strange things hapen to my laptop :) ubuntu 13.10 can only see cd's when I enter a dvd nothing hapens, I tried it with blanks, writen dvd's dvd rom unit does not mount, any ideas ?
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: Ctrl + C
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk /dev/sda4
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: second line there not the first
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: so, once you're in:          d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:27] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  message: Building a new sun disklabel. Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable.
[23:27] <Fevix> Am I correct in assuming that using 64-bit Ubuntu, even on a system with limited (2GB) RAM, will result in a performance increase?
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ctrl + C
[23:27] <michael__> hi
[23:27] <Fevix> (As opposed to 32-bt)
[23:27] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: ok done
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: so, once you're in:          d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:28] <Guest3563> fddgdf
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> Fevix: yes
[23:28] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  no not working, getting a logical size error message warning, not a prompt
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: hurm. ctrl + C
[23:29] <kapchiy> alguien habla espanhol?
[23:29] <sh0t> hi guys can please someone help me with all this thing UEFI/Secureboot wINDOWS 8 and Ubuntu? I have installed disabling secureboot ubuntu on a partition next to Windows 8. Now I need to make it boot so I restarted a live usb ubuntu and from there i am running boot-repair which gets stuck on the initial phase when it says: Scanning systems(os-prober)....
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit
[23:29] <kapchiy> quiero hacer un kackintosh
[23:29] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  should it not be fscdisk or smething like that
[23:30] <sonofrustuptwist> !es | kapchiy
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: no
[23:31] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: fdisk: invalid option -- '1'
[23:31] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: small L not number 1
[23:32] <Fevix> One last question: THe .iso is now on my Ubuntu desktop, the flash drive is inserted, and I have a terminal open. How do I dd the iso to the flash drive? THis should be the last question of mien
[23:32] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6817270/
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok. its still unchanged. thats good
[23:33] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[23:33] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:33] <k1l> Fevix: use the usb-creator or dd
[23:34] <k1l> Fevix: dd would be like sudo dd of=/dev/sdX if=/path/to/usb-stick.img bs=10M
[23:35] <k1l> Fevix: adjust sdX and path/to/usb....
[23:35] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  3 partitions
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: n <enter> e <enter>
[23:35] <bprompt> Fevix:     sudo dd if=/PATHHERE/YOURISOFILEHERE.iso  of=/dev/YOURDEVICEHERE, <---- say your device is loaded as say "sdb" with say 1 partition of say "sdb1" or so, then you'd do say  -> dd if=MYFILE.iso of=/dev/sdb  <--- no partition number, just the raw device name
[23:35] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  done
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: <enter>
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: 831488000 <enter>
[23:36] <antifa> so no one knows anithing of my thing ?
[23:36] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: done
[23:37] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p <enter>
[23:37] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: copy the line for /dev/sda4
[23:38] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: /dev/sda4       552960000   831488000   139264000+   5  Extended
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sweet.
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: now to create the logical partition
[23:39] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  still here...
[23:39] <odie5533> I log in to an Ubuntu VPS. Should I be logging in as root and then doing su to drop to users to run programs, or should I not be logging in as root?
[23:39] <k1l> odie5533: log in as root is not a great idea
[23:40] <k1l> !sudo | odie5533
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: just give me a sec
[23:40] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: ok
[23:40] <odie5533> k1l: I could never figure out how to get a user sudo access
[23:40] <antifa> so strange things hapen to my laptop :) ubuntu 13.10 can only see cd's when I enter a dvd nothing hapens, I tried it with blanks, writen dvd's dvd rom unit does not mount, any ideas ?
[23:41] <k1l> odie5533: put him into the sudo group
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: n <enter>
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: <enter>
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: +144873471 <enter>
[23:42] <odie5533> k1l: Oh. I thought you had to edit config files. Thank you
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p <enter>
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: copy over the line for /dev/sda5
[23:43] <antifa> guys at least tell me to piss of !
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> !patience | antifa
[23:44] <rww> ubottu: dvd
[23:44] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  /dev/sda5       552962048   697835519    72436736   83  Linux
[23:44] <rww> unless you meant data dvds, in which case no idea
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: w <enter>
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: crap forget to set the type :P
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[23:46] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: WHAT should i do?
[23:46] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  i didnt enter w
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: t <enter> 5 <enter>
[23:47] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: 7 <enter>
[23:47] <antifa> sory thanks
[23:47] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  message: he code tupe L to list codes):
[23:47] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p <enter>                 copy over the line for /dev/sda5
[23:47] <bprompt> antifa:    yeah, you'd need libdvdcss2  to have the DVD playback, as shown above, is just a legal matter, no a deficiency, you can get libdvdcss2 from Medibuntu's repositories
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> bprompt: medibuntu doesn't exist anymore
[23:48] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  here: /dev/sda5       552962048   697835519    72436736    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: w <enter>
[23:48] <bprompt> holly !   .... really.. ohh man... anyhow, is where I got it from  =)
[23:49]  * bprompt checking
[23:49] <OerHeks> medibuntu is dead, dvd css script is in ubuntu-restricted-extras now
[23:49] <bprompt> I see
[23:50] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: so you're back to the terminal prompt now right?
[23:50] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yeah but there was an error message. you want to see it?
[23:51] <sh0t> hi guys can please someone help me with all this thing UEFI/Secureboot wINDOWS 8 and Ubuntu? I have installed disabling secureboot ubuntu on a partition next to Windows 8. Now I need to make it boot so I restarted a live usb ubuntu and from there i am running boot-repair which gets stuck on the initial phase when it says: Scanning systems(os-prober)....
[23:51] <bprompt> antifa:    http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
[23:51] <antifa> it is the same with blanck dvds to
[23:51] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: Did it say something along the lines of the kernel is still using the old partition table?
[23:52] <antifa> I have the package installed
[23:53] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: hitsujiTMO: Did the partitions get unmounted from /media/ before this started? If not, sda4 is still mounted!
[23:53] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yes. partition table failed with an error 16, etc.
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: doh
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[23:53] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: OK, lets try to sort it out: "sudo umount /dev/sda{1,2,3,4}"
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: didn't realise he had mounted any
[23:54] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: on-disk will be fine; we just need to release the devices and then we can do "partprobe /dev/sda"
[23:54] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816323/
[23:54] <octocodercat> How do I partition a 5" floppy disk?
[23:55] <TJ-> octocodercat: 5", or 5.25" ? 360K, 720K ?
[23:55] <TJ-> octocodercat: generally FDs don't have partition tables, only file-systems
[23:55] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  and TJ-  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6817375/
[23:56] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: OK, lets try to sort it out: "sudo umount /dev/sda{1,2,3,4}"
[23:56] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: cool. the tables written ok. "sudo umount /dev/sda{1,2,3,4}"
[23:56] <sonofrustuptwist> ok just a sec I didnt see that you needed me to do something. that paste is before these latest commands
[23:56] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: it is fine, we're keeping up with you :)
[23:57] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  lets take it from the top. what now?
[23:57] <Fevix> How do I find the path to a drive for dd?
[23:57] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: "sudo umount /dev/sda{1,2,3,4}"
[23:57] <sonofrustuptwist> i havent done anything since that last past output
[23:57] <DF3D2> would something like this work for a chroot script? http://pastebin.com/5zdqtHn6
[23:58] <hitsujiTMO> DF3D2: no you need to supply commands to chroot in a script in a different manner
[23:58] <DF3D2> such as?
[23:58] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: ??
[23:59] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: did you run: sudo umount /dev/sda{1,2,3,4}
[23:59] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  no I will right now, ok?
[23:59] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  the last thing i did was