[00:22] <brainwash> andrzejr: got some new observations, the gtk3 indicator panel box turns transparent when another indicator is loaded later on
[00:24] <brainwash> andrzejr: and this only happens if the panel is set to have no background style -> 'none (use system style)'
[00:25] <brainwash> I cannot reproduce this glitch after defining a background color (panel settings)
[00:29] <brainwash> I'm currently trying to understand the recent transparency fix for xfce4-panel and wrapper-plug.c in general
[02:17] <Unit193> brainwash: Oh, in case you didn't notice, xfwm/xfdesktop built for Saucy and Trusty, no need to be on Trusty to test as long as you get a PPA for the greeter.
[08:36] <elfy> Unit193: saw that - must have picked it up last night, if it's supposed to get rid of the grey then it's masquerading as something else here
[08:37] <Unit193> elfy: Versions for xfdesktop4, xfwm, and lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[08:38] <elfy> 4.11.2-2.1~14.04 and 4.11.1-1ubuntu2.1~14.04 and 201401231722~ubuntu14.04.1
[08:38] <elfy> respectively
[08:39] <Unit193> I'm calling dad on you...
[08:39] <Unit193> brainwash: Hey, see anything amiss?
[08:40] <Unit193> elfy: So that all looks good to me, I don't have daily gtk-greeter and I have my packages, but nevertheless...
[08:41] <elfy> Unit193: so I guess it should be working with them then 
[08:41] <Unit193> Well, what's the source of xfwm, just to double check?
[08:42] <elfy> http://ppa.launchpad.net/unit193/xfce/ubuntu/
[08:50] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you want me to try the greeter merge tomorrow or do you think you'll get to it soon?
[08:50] <Noskcaj> (although i'll probably fail it)
[08:51] <Unit193> elfy: And I'd presume you've restarted/restarted lightdm after getting the last of the packages?
[08:52] <elfy> updated xfwm last night - so that was here when I booted, last update for xfdesktop4 was on the 19th and greeter was 24th
[08:52] <Unit193> Noskcaj: You testing this?
[08:52] <elfy> I was just looking at the when
[08:52] <Unit193> Well then you should have had everything.
[08:52] <elfy> mmm
[08:54] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I don't have time tonight, might try tomorrow
[09:00] <knome> bluesabre?
[09:01] <Noskcaj> knome, Don't disturb him, he's busy coding. ;)
[09:01] <Noskcaj> And probably will be for the next week
[09:02] <knome> Noskcaj, umm, yes i will disturb him
[09:03]  * Noskcaj really should go and do something else
[09:05] <elfy> morning knome 
[09:05] <knome> hello elfy 
[11:46] <bluesabre> knome, Noskcaj: or sleeping
[11:47] <knome> bluesabre, debdiff
[11:47] <bluesabre> yup
[11:47] <bluesabre> I'll do that now
[11:47] <knome> ta
[11:47] <bluesabre> and then move on to the greeter merge
[11:47] <knome> :)
[11:47] <bluesabre> so, what needs to be inside of a deb, and what am I diffing against?
[11:48] <knome> lp:xubuntu-docs/precise what needs to be inside
[11:48] <knome> and diff against 11.10.0 or 12.04.0, whichever you please
[11:49] <bluesabre> alrighty then
[12:06] <bluesabre> knome: done, where do I need to upload this debdiff?
[12:07] <knome> the bug
[12:07] <knome> bug 1207493
[12:07] <bluesabre> danke
[12:13] <bluesabre> uploaded
[12:14] <knome> ok, can you do one more thing?
[12:14] <bluesabre> whats up?
[12:14] <knome> poke seb128 in #ubuntu-devel and tell you've uploaded the new debdiff
[12:14] <bluesabre> ok
[12:14] <knome> ta
[12:16] <bluesabre> done
[12:16] <bluesabre> now, the waiting game
[12:17] <knome> ;)=
[12:23] <bluesabre> *chuckle* https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1272652
[12:23] <bluesabre> so, what should the severity of a bad password be? :)
[12:23] <elfy> polka dots
[12:23] <bluesabre> yes!
[12:24] <elfy> red background - red dots
[12:24] <elfy> wfm
[12:28] <knome> bluesabre, btw, did you check the package? :))
[12:28] <knome> /test
[12:28] <bluesabre> no, I assumed that since it was all self-contained (debian and all) it had already been thoroughly tested and all changes were already there
[12:29] <knome> hahahahahah
[12:29] <knome> :P
[12:29] <bluesabre> don't let me down knome!
[12:29] <knome> if you upload the new package you created, i can test it (as i said)
[12:29] <bluesabre> I'll try to pbuilder it now
[12:32] <bluesabre> just a few minutes, hopefully I'll have a package then
[12:42] <bluesabre> knome: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rbfwdd90upfyv7j/QGV9kuZ6MZ/xubuntu
[12:42] <knome> lol
[12:42] <knome> can't see file names without js enabled
[12:43] <bluesabre> you disable js? craaaaaaazy
[12:43] <bluesabre> or you turn it off before clicking on a link from anybody in -team
[12:44] <bluesabre> probably a safe idea
[12:45] <knome> hah
[12:45] <knome> i use noscript
[12:45] <knome> so js is disabled by default
[12:45] <knome> i'll allow as needed
[12:58] <knome> bluesabre, worksforme, ta
[12:58] <bluesabre> fantastic
[12:58] <bluesabre> didn't even have to try that hard :)
[12:59] <knome> lol
[13:00] <knome> just wondering if we need a bigger version number than .0
[13:00] <knome> but... that's solvabl
[13:00] <knome> e
[13:00] <bluesabre> again, just went with what you left me :)
[13:01] <knome> well i said you can debdiff to either 11.10.0 or 12.04.0, which implies that there is a 12.04.0 package
[13:01] <bluesabre> yeah, didn't see one though
[13:01] <bluesabre> the precise package is 11.10
[13:01] <knome> precise-proposed is 12.04.0
[13:02] <knome> that's the earlier SRU upload
[13:02] <bluesabre> ah
[13:03] <bluesabre> it takes too long for a package that only affects one single distro to make it back to the -updates repo
[13:24] <ochosi> hey folks
[13:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: do we have an ETA on the greeter landing in trusty btw? (i presume it'll go via debian?)
[13:32] <bluesabre> ochosi: well, if we consider it stable, let's fix any new bugs, make it 1.8.0, and push it to debian
[13:32] <bluesabre> in which case, I'll hold off on the debian merge for 1.6.1-5
[13:32] <bluesabre> that will basically be our "feature freeze"
[13:33] <bluesabre> that will get us quite a bit more testing too
[13:35] <Unit193> ochosi: Every time I bring up the tabwin I get xfwm4-Message: (nil)  in startxfce4.log
[13:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: also, let's make sure to merge the xfce4-display-settings branch we have this weekend
[13:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: sounds like a good plan, let's make a shortlist for 1.8.0
[13:37] <ochosi> what did you think about my suggestion to include a settings-UI?
[13:37] <ochosi> Unit193: hmm, is that something you can also confirm with the last state of master there without the extra tabwin code?
[13:38] <Unit193> 4.11.1 count?  It's newer.
[13:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: (i mean one that also allows setting the light-locker stuff optionally)
[13:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: sounds like a good idea, but I'd like to get one together for light-locker
[13:38] <ochosi> light-locker has so little options, that i think a settings UI for the greeter that includes those makes more sense
[13:39] <bluesabre> yeah, but then every lightdm project that uses light-locker has to implement their own
[13:39] <bluesabre> which, maybe that's something we should discuss with robert ancell
[13:42] <bluesabre> slickymaster: are you around?
[13:42] <bluesabre> I'm going to upgrade my dokuwiki to the latest stable today, but don't want to interrupt your work
[13:44]  * bluesabre gives some time to respond
[13:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: ubuntu doesn't need a settings UI
[13:45] <ochosi> they control everything with gnome-settings-daemon
[13:45] <ochosi> so they can easily include light-locker settings somewhere (the timed locking is done in ubuntu with g-s-d as well)
[13:45] <bluesabre> ok
[13:45] <ochosi> and there arent *that* many greeters...
[13:46] <ochosi> i think kde also has one
[13:46] <bluesabre> it might also be a good idea to make light-locker configurable via dbus
[13:46] <ochosi> but they would want a settings ui in qt
[13:46] <bluesabre> so that light-locker can worry about setting timeouts and whatnot
[13:46] <bluesabre> or maybe not
[13:47]  * bluesabre still doesn't know enough about x to make a good decision on that stuff
[13:47] <ochosi> nah
[13:47] <ochosi> we didn't implement an extra ticker in light-locker and decided to rely on X11's screensaver extension signal instead
[13:47] <ochosi> so that's the crucial setting
[13:48] <bluesabre> got it
[13:48] <bluesabre> okay, so want to make a lightdm-gtk-greeter_1.8.0 wiki page?
[13:48] <bluesabre> or
[13:48] <bluesabre> a blueprint on the launchpad page
[13:48] <bluesabre> but I'd prefer the wiki myself
[13:50] <ochosi> yeah, the wiki is more responsive
[13:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: furthermore we already have a wiki page :) http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=greeter-roadmap
[13:54] <brainwash> ochosi: so no settings gui for light-locker?
[13:54] <bluesabre> ochosi: you gotta tell me these things :)
[13:54] <brainwash> basically a front-end for xset
[13:55] <ochosi> bluesabre: hehe, well i haven't used it for a while, but andrew got his inspiration on what to implement from there
[13:56]  * bluesabre still thinks xfce-power-man should handle that stuff
[13:56] <ochosi> yeah, but we have more control over the greeter
[13:56] <ochosi> and getting a new powerman release will probably not happen for trusty
[13:56] <bluesabre> right
[13:57] <brainwash> already took some time to get full systemd support :D
[13:57] <ochosi> well there's a branch now where eric merged in all the stuff, but parts of it are still todo, so...
[13:57] <brainwash> but wait.. you can remove power manager and still use light-locker
[13:57] <ochosi> yeah
[13:58] <brainwash> power manager is optional
[13:58] <bluesabre> yeah, but power manager has options for screen timeout and whatnot
[13:58] <bluesabre> and they don't seem to actually do anything
[13:58] <brainwash> only dpms
[13:59] <brainwash> it does not change the screen saver timeout
[13:59] <brainwash> xscreensaver does/did
[14:00] <Migou> Hi people, I'm glad to tell you I'm ready for beta testing! I found time for resizing a partition, and succesfully installed a Xubuntu from a usb key using testdrive-gtk.
[14:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: how long do you think would it take you to set up a basic settings UI?
[14:00] <bluesabre> that's why I think light-locker needs a settings gui
[14:00] <bluesabre> since its made to replace xscreensaver
[14:00] <brainwash> bug 1193716
[14:00] <brainwash> bluesabre: yes, I think so too
[14:01] <brainwash> some basic gui, only few switches, nothing fancy
[14:01] <bluesabre> yeah
[14:02] <bluesabre> ochosi: dunno
[14:02] <bluesabre> ideally not long
[14:02] <bluesabre> but c/vala take 20x longer than a python gtk app
[14:02] <bluesabre> if we have any vala people in this channel, they could probably do it quickly
[14:02] <ochosi> yeah, i dunno, what settings would light-locker-settings even include?
[14:03] <bluesabre> timeout, enabled
[14:03] <ochosi> hmpf
[14:03] <bluesabre> lock on suspend/hibernate
[14:03] <bluesabre> y'know, the xscreensaver stuff, minus the screensaver
[14:04] <ochosi> well for light-locker it'd also mean adding a settings-file
[14:04] <bluesabre> right
[14:05] <bluesabre> or using gsettings or something, but the config file would be best
[14:05] <brainwash> you can enable locking on suspend via xfce4-session (it will call xflock4), and light-locker already does it automatically via dbus
[14:05] <brainwash> this might confuse the user
[14:06] <bluesabre> just things to consider
[14:06] <ochosi> yeah, i thought implementing one or two locker-settings in the greeter might mean less settings-duplication
[14:06] <ochosi> and it already has a settings-file, so..
[14:09] <bluesabre> but that makes it a system-wide config
[14:10] <ochosi> hmmm, true :/
[14:11] <bluesabre> maybe try to talk cavalier into it?
[14:11] <bluesabre> I'd do it, but obviously I've got a whole other list atm :)
[14:11] <ochosi> yeah, i knw
[14:12] <ochosi> humm humm
[14:12] <ochosi> what are you working on atm?
[14:12] <bluesabre> cleaning
[14:12] <bluesabre> :)
[14:12] <bluesabre> then menulibre2.1 and mugshot
[14:12] <bluesabre> then catfish
[14:13] <bluesabre> should also do a parole release today
[14:13] <bluesabre> but I can't compile it as is
[14:13] <bluesabre> need to find a way to not die on deprecation warnings
[14:13] <bluesabre> figure out where that flag is getting toggled
[14:16] <ochosi> hmm :/
[14:17] <ochosi> i'd really hate to see 0.5 in another LTS release...
[14:17] <ochosi> don't wanna keep supporting that foreever
[14:18] <bluesabre> yeah
[14:18] <bluesabre> I'm ready to make it 0.6 any time
[14:19] <ochosi> yeah, i think we should really consider that
[14:19] <bluesabre> ok
[14:19] <ochosi> i mean, doing a stable release soon
[14:19] <bluesabre> I think we're done adding features anyway
[14:19] <ochosi> but it doesn't help if it doesn't build with gtk3.10 :/
[14:19] <ochosi> yeah
[14:19] <bluesabre> I'll try to work on that today too
[14:20] <ochosi> well mostly wanting to add that menuitem
[14:20] <ochosi> for the docs
[14:20] <ochosi> and then it's release-ready i'd say
[14:20] <bluesabre> oh
[14:20] <bluesabre> since you're not on trusty
[14:20] <bluesabre> please try both commands:
[14:21] <bluesabre> ./autogen.sh --enable-debug=full --enable-maintainer-mode --enable-gtk-doc --with-gstreamer=0.10
[14:21] <bluesabre> ./autogen.sh --enable-debug=full --enable-maintainer-mode --enable-gtk-doc --with-gstreamer=1.0
[14:21] <bluesabre> and make them both
[14:21] <bluesabre> to see if there are any build issues
[14:22] <bluesabre> you can also 'make distcheck' too after that
[14:22] <bluesabre> if there are any issues, let's resolve those
[14:25] <bluesabre> otherwise, not quite release-ready :)
[14:41] <ochosi> bluesabre: with-0.10 works fine, only docs warnings (which we already know about)
[14:44] <ochosi> same with 1.0
[14:44] <ochosi> so on saucy / gtk3.8 everything is fine
[14:44] <bluesabre> great, thanks
[14:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: ok, it builds in trusty
[14:55] <ochosi> sweet!
[14:55] <bluesabre> just not with enable-debug=full
[14:55] <ochosi> hmkay
[14:55] <ochosi> we've had that one before...
[14:55] <bluesabre> but since distcheck works, thats fine by me
[14:55] <bluesabre> I'll do a release tonight
[14:55] <ochosi> yup, we can fix that in 0.6.1
[14:55] <bluesabre> 0.6
[14:55] <bluesabre> get any fixes you want in now :)
[14:55] <ochosi> but don't forget to add the menuitem ;)
[14:55] <ochosi> hehe, ok
[14:55] <bluesabre> if you can, please do ;)
[14:56] <ochosi> gotta go to shop, bbiab
[15:00] <bluesabre> k
[15:00] <bluesabre> still cleaning around here
[15:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: so wait, the problem with compiling with enable-debug=full comes from the deprecated stuff and gtk3.10?
[15:23] <brainwash> ochosi: what color does the selection rectangle have in thunar?
[15:23] <ochosi> not sure anymore
[15:23] <ochosi> nothing we set in the theme though
[15:23] <ochosi> bbiab
[15:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes
[15:24] <bluesabre> enable-debug=full turns on the fail on warning
[15:25] <brainwash> ochosi: it's grey here, but blue in every other app
[15:26] <bluesabre> yeah, confirmed grey here too
[15:26] <bluesabre> didn't use to be that way :\
[15:29] <brainwash> thunar seems to ignore the color specified by the theme
[15:30] <brainwash> bug report time again
[15:43] <bluesabre> slickymaster: upgraded my wiki, you can use it without any concerns again :)
[16:13] <sergio-br2> hey ochosi, take a look at my elementary branch
[16:13] <ochosi> hey sergio-br2 
[16:13] <ochosi> what will i see when i look there?
[16:14] <sergio-br2> i changed calculator and transmission icon, and initial 96 px release, and others stuff
[16:15] <ochosi> okeydokey, currently i'm re-setting up my laptop (new ssd, install trusty...) so it might take a bit
[16:15] <ochosi> but sounds great
[16:15] <sergio-br2> but it not ready yet, i'm doing revision in each thing i commit.
[16:16] <ochosi> ok
[16:16] <sergio-br2> ochosi, will you change trash icon? I remember that you talk of it. If not, i will put in places/96
[16:22] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, i'm still considering it, but haven't had the time to finish it
[16:22] <ochosi> i mean i have a local proposal for it
[16:23] <sergio-br2> hum, ok, then i will wait
[16:23] <ochosi> yeah, no rush with that
[16:23] <ochosi> the trash is hardly ever visible in 96px ;)
[16:23] <sergio-br2> yeah
[16:23] <ochosi> (hardly anyone puts their sidebar to that size i guess)
[16:23] <ochosi> ok, gotta try to install trusty now, bbiab
[16:24] <sergio-br2> anyone, whisker-menu will be at trusty?
[16:49] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, it's planned
[16:50] <ochosi> ok, installation of trusty daily went smoothly i have to admit
[17:00] <bluesabre> bah, merges are no fun
[17:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: in bzr?
[17:00] <bluesabre> debian -> ubuntu
[17:01] <ochosi> oh, mh
[17:05] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: let's wait on that sync, we'll be pushing 1.8 in a few days, which will get rid of some of the debian patches
[17:07] <bluesabre> ochosi: let me know when you've added the menuitem to parole
[17:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: still working on the migration to trusty..
[17:07] <bluesabre> no hurry :)
[17:07] <ochosi> but yeah, i'll try to look into it asap
[17:39] <ochosi> bluesabre: contents-item added to the menu and pushed
[17:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: great, thanks!
[17:40] <ochosi> np, wasn't too hard or time-consuming
[17:40] <bluesabre> I'll do the release today
[17:40] <ochosi> nice
[17:40] <bluesabre> 0.6.0, right?
[17:40] <ochosi> yeah, i'd say we go for it
[17:40] <ochosi> unless there are bugs you wanna fix first
[17:40] <bluesabre> out of bugs that are easy to fix
[17:41] <ochosi> :>
[17:41] <bluesabre> we'll get plenty of bug reports once this hits sid/trusty
[17:41] <ochosi> i guess so
[17:41] <ochosi> i think it's ready to go stable, we might have to do a 0.6.1 soon anyway ;)
[17:41] <bluesabre> or once an arch user picks it up :)
[17:41] <ochosi> and this way we at least get more testing
[17:41] <bluesabre> agreed
[17:49] <sergio-br2> ochosi, there is a pull request from Noskcaj in elementary, is somethin missing in his branch?
[17:50] <ochosi> sergio-br2: can't remember to be frank :/
[17:51] <ochosi> it's been a long time since he submitted that
[17:54] <ochosi> sergio-br2: feel free to check whether the icons are ok and work as expected
[17:54] <ochosi> if so, we can merge it
[17:55] <sergio-br2> hum, ok
[17:55] <sergio-br2> i will see
[17:57] <ochosi> time to switch back to trusty...
[18:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: parole 0.6.0 released
[18:12] <bluesabre> want to ping Corsac about getting it into debian?
[18:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks, and done
[18:16] <ochosi> and i'm on trusty now, finally
[18:16] <ochosi> still gotta set up my dev-env, but i think i'll get there
[18:16] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi
[18:17] <ochosi> np
[18:17] <ochosi> thanks for doing the releases
[18:17] <bluesabre> yup, releases are easy so np
[19:01] <ochosi> sergio-br2: started to look at your branch now. i think the calculator change can be fine, but i'd tone down the color of the number a bit. it's ok that it's readable, but it's not important, so it shouldn't be too much in the foreground
[19:06] <ochosi> transmission also looks good, the changes seem very subtle to me, so i think you can pursue that
[19:08] <ochosi> apps/128/preferences-desktop-sound looks a bit too small for being in that folder :)
[19:10] <bluesabre> 09:05  bluesabre: Noskcaj: let's wait on that sync, we'll be pushing 1.8 in a  few days, which will get rid of some of the debian patches
[19:10] <Noskcaj> ok, sounds good
[19:10] <Noskcaj> plus that will be put in unstable rather than exp
[19:11] <Noskcaj> FYI: gmusicbrowser's new version is now in unstable
[19:11] <Noskcaj> and gthumb is in exp
[19:12] <ochosi> nice, so gmb will hopefully be synced to ubuntu soon
[19:12] <Noskcaj> yeah
[19:25] <brainwash> Unit193: new xfwm4 package from your PPA works fine here, according to elfy's feedback there might a problem with nvidia + open source driver
[19:26] <Unit193> Oh bah, always a problem with that.  drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)  (though it's tad older.)
[19:27] <brainwash> I cannot test it with the nouveau driver, because I got no nvidia card at home :)
[19:29] <brainwash> Unit193: new patch for xfdesktop available https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10605
[19:31] <brainwash> this time I'll test it locally, no need to abuse your PPA
[19:32] <Unit193> I'm planning on making a package, but not in PPA.
[19:33] <brainwash> for your own use?
[19:33] <Unit193> Test it, yeah.  Whoever else might want to. :P
[19:34] <brainwash> sounds good
[19:41] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/dump/
[19:48] <sergio-br2> ochosi, you mean, in what size of calculator?
[19:49] <sergio-br2> i forgot to resize the preferences-desktop-sound in 128... my bad
[19:55] <sergio-br2> i think i changed the calculator button color only in the small icons
[19:56] <sergio-br2> indeed, i have the right  preferences-desktop-sound 128 icon... but forgot to commit
[19:57] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Were there any dependency changes from parole 0.5.91 to 0.6.0?
[19:59] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: pretty sure there were not
[19:59] <Noskcaj> then i should be up to the nagging corsac for uploads stage of packageing in half an hour
[20:01] <bluesabre> oh, don't we already bugged him :)
[20:01] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:25] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, As in, i just committed the packaging, it's in need of upload
[20:26] <bluesabre> do we sync parole from debian?
[20:30] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, We would if corsac wasn't quite so against autoreconf. Or did you update the macros with this release?
[20:30] <ochosi> sergio-br2: i looked mainly at the 48px version of the calculator when comparing current/proposed
[20:30] <bluesabre> didn't touch any of that
[20:30] <Noskcaj> The merge i guess
[20:31] <Noskcaj> *then
[20:49] <ochosi> meh, annoying bug in gtk3.10 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710909
[20:49] <ochosi> (just in case anyone thinks of reporting this as a bug against greybird)
[20:57] <ochosi> sergio-br2: btw, for your 96px icons to be actually used, the index.theme file has to be updated
[20:59] <Noskcaj> When can we expect 512x icons? They are now part of hicolor ;)
[20:59] <sergio-br2> 1 or 2 icons in 512 px :D
[21:01] <sergio-br2> i will fix this ochosi, thanks
[21:01] <ochosi> thing is, as long as icons aren't used anywhere in that size, it makes no sense to draw them
[21:02] <ochosi> other than that, i think your merge-request looks ok
[21:03] <ochosi> gotta look at it a bit more, but then we can merge it in
[21:04] <sergio-br2> i will fix somethings, then you can merge
[21:06] <sergio-br2> elementary has a new package-x-generic mime, you saw?
[21:06] <sergio-br2> btw, i put labels to this package mime in 64 and 96 (zip, tar.gz...)
[21:16] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, saw it, maybe we should also do that for 128px then...
[21:17] <ochosi> mimes are lots of work, because there are so many icons
[21:17] <sergio-br2> yeah
[21:17] <ochosi> took me a while to do all the 64px ones
[21:17] <sergio-br2> but i think i will merge this package update from elementary
[21:17] <sergio-br2> then i change it in 128. A lot of work...
[21:17] <McLovin> I just use gimp and then resize and save in the proper folders
[21:18] <sergio-br2> ?
[21:19] <McLovin> for doing icons?
[21:19] <ochosi> yeah, but we work with svg
[21:19] <McLovin> there has to be a way to do a batch job to take care of it
[21:20] <Noskcaj> McLovin, not really
[21:20] <McLovin> oh, svg you really don't have to change the size, as it resizes itself auto
[21:22] <sergio-br2> actually, it is not only resize... each size, is a different icon. You have to change many things, and see if it fits well in png
[21:23] <McLovin> well, yeah, some icons do change depending on what it is
[21:23] <McLovin> but I use png for icons that have to change with size
[21:24] <ochosi> sergio-br2: weird, the package icon in elementary looks the same: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-01-25-222332.php
[21:24] <McLovin> for anything that is uniform in all sizes, I just set an svg, and I'm done with it
[21:24] <sergio-br2> no, there is a little change
[21:25] <sergio-br2> i get from launchpad, using bzr
[21:25] <ochosi> me too
[21:26] <sergio-br2> strange
[21:26] <sergio-br2> you get the svg?
[21:26] <sergio-br2> in 48, it is a little different
[21:29] <ochosi> ok, yeah, very subtle change
[21:29] <ochosi> they also have a new photoshop mime icon amongst others
[21:30] <sergio-br2> photoshop?
[21:31] <ochosi> image-vnd.adobe.photoshop.svg
[21:31] <sergio-br2> yeah, can see here
[21:31] <ochosi> (we don't even have that, i guess we could symlink it)
[21:31] <sergio-br2> you will merge this?
[21:32] <sergio-br2> btw, gimp opens photoshop files?
[21:32] <ochosi> not sure yet, if i have time, maybe
[21:32] <ochosi> yeah, gimp opens them
[21:33] <sergio-br2> the package mime, you like the color? I think we can merge the others detail, but stay with old color
[21:34] <ochosi> i like that the shadow is less pronounced in the new version
[21:34] <ochosi> i'm fine with staying with the old colors
[21:34] <ochosi> although i don't think that ppl on average monitors will see much difference
[21:36] <sergio-br2> :D
[21:37] <knome> doing really minor changes for downstream is a bit meh in general.
[21:38] <ochosi> yeah, i usually never do it
[21:38] <ochosi> the terminal icon was a bit of an exception
[21:38] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: since you both seem to be around, when would be good for you to do the wallpaper voting? or would you wanna do it now?
[21:39] <knome> i have time to do it today
[21:39] <pleia2> sure, now is fine
[21:39] <ochosi> cool
[21:39] <knome> ok, so give me some time
[21:39] <knome> in 20 mins?
[21:39] <ochosi> sounds good
[21:40] <knome> ok, brb
[21:40] <pleia2> I need to look at them anyway :)
[21:40] <ochosi> hehe
[21:41] <pleia2> omg there are like 4000 of them
[21:41] <ochosi> hehe, not really
[21:41] <brainwash> ochosi: you were right, trying to fix visual glitches in usc is really a waste of time :D
[21:41] <pleia2> ok, 165 :)
[21:41] <ochosi> knome took down the tarball of his server already...
[21:42] <pleia2> I gave you the link, if you need
[21:45] <pleia2> ah, this file includes the little ones too
[21:46] <knome> my server? :)
[21:46] <ochosi> yup, you need to rm *250*
[21:46] <knome> it was on pleia2's server!
[21:47] <ochosi> ah
[21:47] <ochosi> well, anyhoo, i migrated to a new ssd and havent pulled everything along yet
[21:48] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, it is... well unless you get in touch with upstream and make them fix it or submit patches
[21:50]  * pleia2 votes for all the pink ones
[21:52] <knome> shall we flood the channel, or create a temporary one?
[21:58] <ochosi> create a temp i guess
[21:58] <ochosi> since i presume there might also be some casual discussion in between
[21:58] <knome> my proposal is another channel, then pastebin the log (or create a new meeting minutes page) and paste the link to this channel
[21:59] <knome> #xubuntu-community-wallpapers
[21:59] <knome> (everybody is free to join of course)
[22:14] <knome> pleia2!
[22:15] <pleia2> ohi
[22:15] <knome> :P
[22:15] <knome> see your invite, or the backlog
[22:37] <sergio-br2> ochosi, why places type in index.theme are fixed? The others like apps are scalable
[22:37] <ochosi> sergio-br2: i'll get to it once the voting is over
[22:37] <sergio-br2> ok
[22:58] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, agreed, the index.theme should be revisited
[22:59] <sergio-br2> ok, i will do that
[22:59] <ochosi> would be good to test how that affects apps
[22:59] <ochosi> best way to test is xfdesktop
[23:00] <ochosi> because you can set the icon-size manually in 1px steps
[23:03] <sergio-br2> small icons are fixed type...
[23:03] <ochosi> yeah, that's ok
[23:03] <ochosi> you can also check gnome
[23:04] <ochosi> we don't want apps to scale e.g. toolbar icons
[23:04] <ochosi> (which they do, which is why they are fuzzy when you use the same theme in svg)
[23:04] <ochosi> (prominent example: inkscape)
[23:04] <sergio-br2> humm, ok
[23:05] <sergio-br2> but places 48, 64, 96, 128, are fixed too?
[23:06] <ochosi> i know, that is something we can change i think
[23:06] <ochosi> but i'd like to test it
[23:06] <ochosi> usually apps don't use random icon-sizes
[23:06] <ochosi> so setting all to scalable isn't a great idea
[23:06] <ochosi> you can also control icon-sizes with xsettings
[23:07] <ochosi> and if you just set them to some random size, you'll end up with fuzzy icons
[23:10] <sergio-br2> i included only 96 things.
[23:18] <ochosi> sergio-br2: what do you mean exactly?
[23:18] <sergio-br2> included only 96 things in index.theme. Better not change the others :)
[23:19] <ochosi> :)
[23:19] <ochosi> ok, i'll test how the desktop handles them and will update the index.theme
[23:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: what does mugshot 0.2 do that 0.1 didn't?
[23:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: gets accepted into debian is really the main feature
[23:52] <ochosi> :>
[23:52] <ochosi> why didn't 0.1?
[23:52] <bluesabre> other than than, python3 by default, help goes to url, etc
[23:52] <bluesabre> basically the person that reviewed it hated the packaging
[23:53] <ochosi> ok, i see
[23:53] <bluesabre> so, I've upgraded the packaging
[23:53] <bluesabre> and Noskcaj can now help :)
[23:53] <Noskcaj> Will do
[23:53] <bluesabre> :)
[23:53] <ochosi> nice
[23:54] <bluesabre> I'll have that release probably tonight
[23:54] <bluesabre> and menulibre-2.0.1 tomorrow
[23:54] <Noskcaj> yay.
[23:54] <bluesabre> catfish sometime this week
[23:54] <bluesabre> going to be a productive time for me :)
[23:54] <Noskcaj> And 14.04 will be a great release
[23:54] <bluesabre> indeed
[23:55] <knome> it was always going to be!
[23:55] <ochosi> what's needed for catfish?
[23:55] <bluesabre> just some minor updates to appease the debian folks
[23:55] <knome> an aquarium, and some food
[23:55] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: do you have the link to the debian issues?
[23:55] <Noskcaj> one sec
[23:55] <Noskcaj> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=catfish
[23:55] <bluesabre> thanks!
[23:56] <Noskcaj> plus https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/catfish
[23:56] <Noskcaj> pexpect is a fairly big issue really
[23:57] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:57] <bluesabre> and now that python3-pexpect is available, we're in pretty good shape
[23:58] <Unit193> ochosi: xfwm 4.11.1 doesn't do it.
[23:58]  * Unit193 back to tabwin.
[23:58] <Noskcaj> yep, although i think i have some work to do on pexpect in debian
[23:58] <ochosi> bluesabre: they all sound manageable, what icon-name are you using now btw?
[23:58] <ochosi> Unit193: :)
[23:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: ?
[23:59] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/catfish/+bug/1258713
[23:59] <Unit193> ochosi: So you borked stuff?
[23:59] <bluesabre> yeah, thats fixed in trunk
[23:59] <ochosi> Unit193: what where who?