[00:00] <Unit193> ochosi: the nil thing, remember?
[00:01] <ochosi> ah right, well did you test the state of master when tabwin diverged?
[00:01] <Unit193> No.
[00:01] <ochosi> that would be cool if you could, just to see whether it was fixed in master
[00:07] <ochosi> Unit193: so let me know when you've tested that ^ ;)
[00:07] <Unit193> Hah, suuure.  I think merging into master will come first. :P
[00:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think for the 1.8 release of the greeter, i'll include a example-greeter.css file
[00:22] <knome> phew, that took over 2 hours :)
[00:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: updated http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=greeter-roadmap, in case you wanna add something there..
[00:23] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks
[00:23] <ochosi> as you can see i postponed the settings ui
[00:23] <ochosi> i really don't want that to hold us back
[00:23] <ochosi> and we'll have to find a different way for ppl to set the locking-timeout
[00:31] <ochosi> Noskcaj: any idea when whiskermenu will get into ubuntu?
[00:31] <Noskcaj> It's been there for two months
[00:31] <ochosi> oh
[00:32] <knome> stupid whiskermenu! :P
[00:32] <ochosi> weird, didn't find it befor
[00:32] <ochosi> e
[00:51] <ochosi> quick question, is the fact that nm-applet doesn't use indicator-application in trusty a known issue already?
[00:53] <ochosi> oh right, it is
[00:57] <ochosi> sergio-br2: just another piece of feedback, places/96/user-desktop's shadow is a bit off
[00:57] <sergio-br2> hum, ok
[00:58] <sergio-br2> in the right?
[00:59] <sergio-br2> oh, that is
[00:59] <knome> ochosi, weren't you supposed to go to sleep? :P
[01:00] <ochosi> sergio-br2: compare it to 128px, the shadow is a bit too pronounced
[01:00] <ochosi> sergio-br2: better to move it up a few pc
[01:00] <ochosi> px
[01:00] <ochosi> knome: yeah, empty promises...
[01:00] <ochosi> :)
[01:00] <knome> as always
[01:00]  * knome hides
[01:01] <ochosi> yup, basically
[01:01] <sergio-br2> hum, probably i forgot this
[01:02] <sergio-br2> fixed ochosi
[01:03] <ochosi> yup, much nicer
[01:03] <ochosi> i think the apps/96/calculator icons could use a bit more detail on the buttons
[01:04] <ochosi> as in: thinner lines for the shades of the buttons, or a more subtle gradient
[01:04] <ochosi> looks a bit clunky atm
[01:05] <Unit193> ochosi: Downgrade indicator-application and you're good.
[01:06] <ochosi> sergio-br2: also the apps/32/calculator has very pronounced button shadows in comparison to 48
[01:06] <ochosi> Unit193: hmm, is it the upstart problem?
[01:06] <sergio-br2> seeing that
[01:06] <Unit193> Don't know, also a plus one to knome. :P
[01:07] <ochosi> haha
[01:07] <sergio-br2> ochosi, you mean, 2 px to 1 px in the shade (light) ?
[01:07] <ochosi> sergio-br2: either that, or make it a gradient or something more subtle
[01:08] <ochosi> Unit193: there's only one version in trusty, downgrade to what?
[01:08] <sergio-br2> with 128 too ochosi?
[01:08] <ochosi> or at least i don't seem to be able to force a lower version in synaptic
[01:09] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, 128px has the same problem
[01:09] <Unit193> ochosi: uts indicator-application  wget saucy one.
[01:09] <ochosi> hmpf
[01:09] <ochosi> this should really get fixed
[01:09] <Unit193> alias = uts,  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/%s
[01:10] <knome> ochosi, put it on your todo list (:
[01:10] <ochosi> wait, *my* todo list? :)
[01:11] <knome> yeah...
[01:11] <ochosi> i think we have to wait until tedg has released all indicator-upstart work
[01:11] <ochosi> so far, many bugreports only have "fix commited"
[01:12] <Unit193> So what's the point in getting sessions, then indicators in Upstart?
[01:13] <ochosi> no idea
[01:13] <knome> Unit193, you're asking in the wrong channel ;)
[01:13] <Unit193> Because doesn't upstart use dbus?  so try  sudo service dbus restart
[01:14] <Unit193> I guess I just don't get the big rush. :/
[01:16] <bluesabre> alrighty mugshot-0.2 seems to work completely in trusty now
[01:16] <bluesabre> time to test with debian
[01:26] <sergio-br2> ochosi, button shadow in calculator 32 means what?
[05:12] <bluesabre> probably better to mention here...
[05:12] <bluesabre> mugshot-0.2 released: https://launchpad.net/mugshot/0.2/0.2
[05:15] <bluesabre> night all
[05:16] <Unit193> Sleep well.
[07:41] <Noskcaj> wow, valgrind finds a lot of issues in every program
[08:19] <Noskcaj> I'm trying to triage bug 1199952
[08:20] <Noskcaj> but i can't get valgrind to run for indicator-plugin
[08:51] <Guest77482> hello, somebody notice the bug about the logins between users?
[09:01] <ali1234> that memory leak certainly still seems to be a problem
[09:04] <xubuntuser> yesterday my logs gets gigasize O_o
[09:08] <xubuntuser> where I can send bugs xubuntu specific ?
[12:03] <brainwash> Unit193: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=1516cb96c6ec9b20b63f05e7bcc4af8594d43129
[12:04] <brainwash> any idea when it will land in trusty?
[12:14] <brainwash> ochosi: now that you are using trusty, can you reproduce the 1px extra space in the top panel to the right?
[12:15] <brainwash> I was not able to find a clean solution to remove it :/
[13:40] <elfy> nice - have an unfindable item in parole's autosave playlist list and it segfauls
[13:44] <Unit193> Remove .config/parole ?
[13:45] <Unit193> Or, send it to them then remove?
[14:13] <brainwash> ali1234: couldn't the monitor_root_pixmap check be made during runtime by passing a parameter to xfwm4?
[14:17] <brainwash> ali1234: this way we could enable it for the xubuntu session only and offer a way to enable/disable it for non-xubuntu users who use xfwm4
[14:19] <brainwash> ...in ubuntu
[14:21] <ali1234> there is no reason to ever disable it
[14:32] <brainwash> ali1234: so it can be made the default behavior?
[14:37] <brainwash> what is reason to disable it by default at compile time? lack of testing?
[14:39] <ali1234> ofourdan thinks it is dangerous
[14:39] <ali1234> it isn't though
[14:40] <ali1234> also you never see the background rendered by xfwm in xfce because xfdesktop covers it
[14:40] <elfy> Unit193: I did :) 
[14:40] <ali1234> you only see it during transitions
[14:41] <ali1234> people who use xfwm outside xfce ar emore likely to want it enabled
[14:42] <brainwash> ali1234: but xfdesktop usually starts "too late"
[14:42] <ali1234> yes but you don't need to monitor root pixmap for that
[14:42] <ali1234> you only need to copy it once to handle the startup case
[14:42] <ali1234> after that, for most people, the desktop wallpaper will not change
[14:43] <brainwash> ok, I understand
[14:44] <brainwash> so monitoring it all the time is not needed
[14:46] <brainwash> what about a timeout then to stop the monitoring?
[14:47] <brainwash> just looking for a solution that does not require xfwm4 to be built specially for ubuntu
[14:49] <ali1234> send the patch to debian
[14:53] <brainwash> I'll do that, hopefully my idea actually makes sense
[15:44] <knome> brainwash, let's not pretend anybody is using xubuntu when they are using voyager, please
[20:36] <sergio-br2> hey hello
[20:38] <sergio-br2> anyone knows if Parole plays h264 videos (mp4)?
[20:38] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, Should do
[20:38] <sergio-br2> i tried now, and it didn't work
[20:39] <knome> sergio-br2, this isn't the support channel though
[20:39] <sergio-br2> yeah, but i tested in trusty
[20:40] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, Perhaps check the current codecs installed. Or wait for parole 0.6.0
[20:41] <sergio-br2> is it in proposed?
[20:41] <Noskcaj> Waiting for corac to upload
[20:41] <Noskcaj> *corsac
[20:42] <sergio-br2> hum, ok
[20:43] <knome> how can 0.6.0 wait for an upload while it hasn't been released yet?
[20:43] <Noskcaj> it has
[20:44] <sergio-br2> so, the issue: try to play a video, it opens a window that ask you to install codec stuff, you install this, then you try to play again, and the window returns again. So, the user never will see a video... don't know if it is a issue in 0.6.0
[20:45] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, have you got restricted-extras installed?
[20:45] <knome> right.
[20:45] <Noskcaj> And can you find a video online with the issue so i can try and reproduce it
[20:45] <knome> i'm pretty sure this playback bug/problem hasn't got much to do with 0.6
[20:46] <sergio-br2> yeah, xubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:46] <brainwash> sergio-br2: does it work with any other gstreamer based media player? gstreamer 0.10 or 1.0
[20:46] <sergio-br2> i tried with vlc, works well
[20:46] <brainwash> I assume parole already uses 1.0 by default
[20:46] <knome> Noskcaj, also:
[20:46] <knome> 15:16  bluesabre: 01:29  Corsac: ochosi: does it makes sense that for a stable  parole release to depend on a libxfce4ui development release? :)
[20:46] <sergio-br2> the video was in a hard disk, not mine
[20:47] <brainwash> vlc does not utilize the gstreamer backend
[20:47] <Noskcaj> knome, It's targeted to experimental currently, hopefully it will get an upload
[20:47] <sergio-br2> well, not tried with other gstreamer backend :)
[20:47] <Noskcaj> Also, my MOTU application is tomorrow, since applying by email doesn't work
[20:48] <sergio-br2> this codec install stuff, it's equal in totem?
[20:48] <Unit193> sergio-br2: What gstreamer packages do you have?  -ffmpg?
[20:48] <sergio-br2> hum, i'm not in the system now. Trying to reproduce this in a VM
[20:49] <sergio-br2> * i was trying to play a video in the Live section
[20:50] <Noskcaj> Try installing: gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gnome-codec-install
[20:50] <Noskcaj> Those are the Suggests for parole
[20:50] <sergio-br2> ok
[20:52] <brainwash> sergio-br2: what does "parole --gst-version" return?
[20:52] <Noskcaj> brainwash, it will be 0.10, since 1.0 isn't fully supported till parole 0.6.0
[20:52] <brainwash> ok, was just curious
[20:53] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, You've got a lot of complaints about menulibre crashing so far. How long till the fix?
[20:53] <sergio-br2> GStreamer 0.10.36
[21:00] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Is there a command to stop the .pot file being regenerated in mugshot?
[21:17] <Noskcaj> How can i run indicator-plugin in a way valgrind will be able to test it?
[22:03] <sergio-br2> so, the mechanism for totem and parole search what codec is missing, is the same?
[22:05] <sergio-br2> there is an error in totem, it does not install the missing codec too. But i don't know what package i will report this issue.
[22:06] <sergio-br2> after install xubuntu-restricted-extra, totem plays a mp4 video. But Parole don't
[22:07] <brainwash> try parole --gst-debug-level=2
[22:08] <brainwash> to get some debug output in the terminal
[22:08] <sergio-br2> hum, ok
[22:09] <brainwash> you should file the report against parole, maybe add gstreamer0.10 to the list of affected packages
[22:15] <brainwash> sergio-br2: totem already uses gstreamer 1.0
[22:15] <sergio-br2> i don't know if it is 2 issues
[22:16] <sergio-br2> 1. Totem and Parole does not install the missing codecs
[22:16] <sergio-br2> 2. Parole does not play mp4 h264, but totem yes (after install xubuntu-restricted-extras)
[22:17] <brainwash> you cannot compare totem and parole directly, totem uses the newer gstreamer backend
[22:19] <sergio-br2> does xubuntu-restricted-extras installs the gstreamer 0.1 that parole needs?
[22:20] <brainwash> it installs gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[22:20] <brainwash> and gstreamer1.0-libav
[22:21] <sergio-br2> there is no gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in repo
[22:21] <sergio-br2> what i need to run h264? Is not package x264?
[22:21] <brainwash> I checked on saucy, maybe it has been renamed
[22:22] <sergio-br2>  gstreamer1.0-libav is installed
[22:24] <brainwash> x264 provides an encoder
[22:25] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[22:27] <sergio-br2> it seems it doesn't have in trusty
[22:28] <brainwash> bug 1253071
[22:28] <brainwash> "Remove completely gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg src+binaries, superseded by gstreamer1.0-libav"
[22:29] <sergio-br2> bug #1272994
[22:29] <brainwash> well, just wait for parole 0.6.0 :)
[22:32] <sergio-br2> if it works in 0.6.0, i invalid this bug
[22:40] <brainwash> sergio-br2: please add the information about gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg + bug report link (1253071)
[22:45] <sergio-br2> sorry
[22:45] <sergio-br2> i changed the description
[22:45] <brainwash> btw did you already work on a high res version of the icon used by parole?
[22:46] <sergio-br2> high res = 128 px ?
[22:46] <brainwash> I think so, simply open parole's about dialog
[22:46] <sergio-br2> it's missing only 96 pixel
[22:47] <sergio-br2> hum, the icon is to small to about?
[22:47] <brainwash> it's bit blurry, isn't it?
[22:47] <sergio-br2> well, there is 128 px in my elementary branch
[22:48] <sergio-br2> blurry in the about window? no... just small... i'm in a VM
[22:50] <brainwash> ok, I'll upload a screenshot
[22:51] <brainwash> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/parole0.php
[22:52] <brainwash> my bad, it's about the gtk3 build of parole
[22:52] <sergio-br2> yeah, here it gets small
[23:03] <sergio-br2> brainwash, the year is not wrong?
[23:03] <sergio-br2> in the about window
[23:04] <sergio-br2> it's 2013
[23:06] <knome> well if the last release is done in 2013..
[23:07] <knome> or, the release you have
[23:07] <brainwash> http://git.xfce.org/apps/parole/tree/src/parole-about.c
[23:08] <brainwash> so the new 0.6.0 release still shows -2013
[23:09] <knome> yyyeaah, poke bluesabre and ochosi 
[23:10] <brainwash> major flaw, release 0.6.1 asap
[23:14] <ochosi> yeah, we're not doing a point-release only for the about window :)
[23:14] <ochosi> i added a 128px icon for the about dialog, so it should be ok, but i assumed you'd test that brainwash ?
[23:15] <brainwash> so it's not an elementary icon which gets displayed in the about dialog?
[23:15] <knome> ochosi, yeah but update git with 2014
[23:15] <ochosi> nah, we install that with parole
[23:15] <ochosi> knome: thanks for the advice, wouldn't have thought about that ;)
[23:15] <knome> ochosi, well obviously!
[23:16] <brainwash> now that we got 0.6.0 I could actually test it :D
[23:18] <brainwash> got a bit distracted by all the other bugs out there
[23:19] <ochosi> holy crap, the new gtk3-filechooser-dialog has a crazy sidebar
[23:19] <brainwash> you mean these fancy monochrome icons?
[23:20] <ochosi> it's just ultra-long here...
[23:20] <ochosi> the symbolic icons are okayish
[23:20] <ochosi> although they create some visual inconsistency with gtk2 apps
[23:20] <ochosi> but there's nothing we can do about that